I once heard Barry Greenstein say most money won in poker is off people on tilt. I think players that are trying to get better focus far too much on strategy and spend far too little time on their mindset, bankroll management, and game selection. I think no matter how skilled the player pool gets as long as you're more patient and tilt less, you'll win more.
Being able to tilt your opponent (without crossing the line of course) is a dark art that can make you win more money at the table (easier at live games than online). I'm not saying you should go tilt every player at your table as that might backfired at you as the whole table would specifically play against you which is not always a good thing lol. But you can always carefully select 1 or 2 players to do so if you think that person(s) can easily go on tilt or you would have a big advantage over them by doing so. Since managing your mental game is part of poker that not many people pay much attention to or even failed to do so these days (Hellmuth for example 😂). A good player on mega tilt 🤬😤 is no better than an average player playing their A game. That's the difference and it show the effectiveness of this dark art.
@@ellisjk1409 yeah, it's actually a major factor in poker. I know a friend of mine who was a very good player who grinded from 1/2 to playing 25/50 in just 4-5years time. But his mental game is shit and his BR management also isn't good either. At the end he went broke after a long downswing + playing on tilt for most sessions doesn't help either. Eventually he was back down to the bottom and even owe his friends money etc... It was a bad ending for his poker career.
games definitely get tougher over time, but as long as you study and stay ahead of the curve, there's opportunity. A lot of people just misapply concepts, and then you always have people who play for different reasons than someone who is playing with the intention to win, and who understands what winning even means in the context of poker. Specific to live poker as well, many of the players play for social aspect, and are not actually playing to win, even if they think they are. When you commit consistent mathematical and fundamental errors, you aren't actually trying to win even if you think you are. you're just hoping.
@@windy619 but many wont study or dont know how to study. alot of people do it for recreation. games are currently amazing(especially live). in the 8 years ive played Ive seen them get less good than they were 8 years ago, but they are still very soft and with enough focus, effort and skill, theres lots of opportunity to be had.
@@RyanSpicer I just saw comments on a poker Instagram and people are all advocating c betting aces with no spade from utg into two late position callers on a 459 all spade flop “because 100% c bet” or “to see where you’re at” and I realize you are definitely correct lol. Also I need to play live more I play too much online. 1/2 certainly has some very tough tables online I’d think compared to before training sites though. It’s still profitable for me overall though and I’m not a pro
@@windy619 exactly lol people don't understand how equity drives decisions and strategy. online 1-2 is way way tougher than live for sure. I mean, if you can beat 50-100NL online, you probably have the skillset to beat 5-10 live, and certainly 2-5.(not factoring for mental game or bankroll etc)
I haven’t played online for cash since Black Friday. I have no doubt it is harder today but it’s funny that the same concerns ten years ago regarding the game being too tough to beat since most players have been trained up a bit, are still around today. But nothing stays the same and if you aren’t moving forward, you’re probably moving backward.
I started playing poker for fun in 2004 or 2005. Even at that time there were a bunch of books out to teach people how to get better at poker. Training sites are just the logical progression. And while I absolutely understand the perspective of people not wanting games to get tougher, it strikes me as fairly scummy to have come up watching Cardrunners, DC, Doug, Galfond, etc. and then turn around and say that people should be deprived from those same resources because it hurts your bottom line. If a thing exists, someone will make a how-to guide, c'est la vie
@@nickrascona7599 you sound like a loser saying thinks like that. If you don’t like people getting better at the game then get better than them. If you can’t then you weren’t cut out to play anyways.
As long as there is poker there will always people that don’t want to study, always people that just like to gamble, just like being lucky, players that tilt, players that just want a double up…that’s the beauty of it. Although online is different and 💯 tougher…pp poker and all these poker clubs popping up online have a lot more recreational players which has been a blessing
Yeah but that number is going down and in the end i's all about fighting over crumbs. Unless we see a new poker boom, which I don't see happening. This covid relief to poker is short-lived.
I love listening to 2 people who no longer play poker, but will train others to play poker. I always hear them saying what a grind it is. They themselves are telling you that it is not a long term activity to go for, yet they will take your money to instruct you on how to be great at poker. I love that Doug is real about it. Truth....their is so very few full time "live" poker players in the world ( no sponsors, no you tube ). By the way, online poker has Bots, Cheats and sites that can just take your money and disappear, FACT. The game is not dying but it is not growing. Having "pro's" kill off the fish is not a good recipe for long term success for the game. Disagree, then sit down at a table with 8 Germans.....good luck to you. Nuff said
This is why I was always more concerned about the SITE than the players. Fish outnumber sharks 9:1. Sites make money based on traffic, like a toll bridge. They can't make money if sharks eat the fish. And sites have the ultimate "mechanics" dealing the cards!
If you play longer than an hour on any site you start to see you are getting less and less good cards, and eventually you will get a run of unbelivable bad beats, or a couple of people playing together will come on the table and play ridiculously colluding to turf you off. It's just not the way to make money at poker. Finding soft live tables is still easy, which tells me its the site owners who have corrupted the game that have actually made it harder.
Micro levels are more dificult than never, i see people using more and better strategies, its logic, there are more sites, and you can found a lot of channels whit free content.
I disagree. Poker is live and well. I grinder 50nl and 30nl for a month hard and made 1300. I made just over 7k in a year grinding these low stakes online part time
The Micro Mtts regs on ACR have better players then live mtts that range from 500$ down imho. It’s the volume of play I believe that improves people’s games. Sure you can learn a lot of concepts, a ton of theory, defined ranges etc, but to know WHEN to use them and WHO to use them against is the key.
Micro levels are often more tight, but once u go up to like nl25 it's pretty easy. That's a pretty good level to play at if you're a cashgamer, and play multiple tables or zoom, for example.
Maby its true that on NL25 or higher its easear, i dont know, i think at least in Spain where we only play vs france and portugal its harder, there is less traffic of players. Anyway i been playing microlimits since 2002 (from NL2 to NL50) and for example i know that people years a go basiccly had 3 or 4 betsizes (33% 50% 75% and all in) know you can see more often 20% 25% 40% 60% 66% 90% 100% 130% 140%...etc. of corse more in regular players. And this also became happening whit strategies too, atleast thats my ponint of view. (sorry if my english have mistakes, i dont speak it perfect)
@@camboanbeats1946 There has certainly been an increase in skill & knowledge. Which is very normal with all info being available online & these training sites. But if you are any serious about poker you would move quick from nl10 games anyway. Even in tournaments the level isn't really high even in midstakes like 200$ buyin for example. I've even seen the most donkey moves in the highest cash games :)
Trading stocks you can play all tables at the same time, you don't have financial incentive to expose market inefficiencies publicly. Either you have a resource advantage that can't be crossed like high frequency traders have or you have a knowledge advantage and you keep locked like some quant funds. There's public strategies that work for higher return than market average but they are in line with market efficiency, like small cheap (book to market) illiquid stocks giving higher returns (along with bigger uncertainty of returns).
Finally someone who gets it. Because of the money involved, the market has simply become more and more efficient. This has destroyed the easy edge. This happened when trading pits went from open outcry to electronic trading. The market became more efficient and the pit traders lost their edge so they were eradicated if they didn't evolve. It's simple market dynamics there's no ethics or morality involved. Thanks for the comment Alex
The beginning of the video brought back memories. Remember when you would wire your money to an intermediary in the Philippines, who could get it loaded onto a source that you could use to transfer it into your online poler account?
I just spent the previous week in Vegas during the WSOP playing cash games. While the current pool isn’t as clueless as around 2002-2009(Including myself), but it’s still very much alive and well.
No one seems to be commenting on the 100k 5-way pot with a guy checking the nuts on the turn and then last to act on the river? Where did you find this footage? I have so many questions
I knew it was bad when I was playing 3/5 at a local casino when a guy with an Audi R8 was talking about GTO. I watched him play and he was playing good too… that’s why I moved away from poker
Common. The superuser's on AP and UB will be something else in modern day. A group of people in different states would fill a 6 Max table and let someone sit and play 5 against 1. Same with SnG's. There were issues on ACR of someone with multiple accounts entering a bunch of accounts at the last minute of late reg, and would have all those accounts on one table. And basically be guaranteed a cash on most of those accounts. Bunch of different things. Online poker has always been sketchy. And Absolute and UB were solid proof that it's not just crooked players. But site owners too.
@@jamalsowell3650 Would NEVER play cash games online for exactly the reasons you gave, but never had trouble with 1 or 2 table SnGs. As long as the site is actively scanning of non random pairings, which they can do fairly easily. If a pack jams a 9 player SnG, they're splitting my $100 buyin 8 ways after a hours work? Not worth their time or trouble.
who is killing poker? Greedy poker sites. Just imagine every 1000 hands just from 1 table nl50 pokerstars takes 240$ from players. This is insane and you cannot find any other game that would charge as much.
I don't think training sites are killing poker. Greedy people cheating using solvers and multi-accounting online is killing online poker. Live poker is the best pure form of poker these days.
Having multiple accounts is illegal on every online site. Players can defeat detection, no doubt, but technology should continue to make it more difficult. I've always been more concerned about the integrity of the SITE than other players.
Nah- all the good training sites are decently expensive. Then even if you’re trained, using the strategies on a live game for any consistent amount of time takes more discipline than your average “reg” has. IMO when ESPN started to get super analytical in their broadcasts it really hurt. The only network consistently covering it was tapping the glass. That pushed an entire generation to think about advanced concepts instead of just showing up to have a few drinks and gamble.
Agreed the ESPN analytics becoming better than comedy drunk poker levels definitely tapped the glass big time. Although probably it got them more viewers so...
Agreed the ESPN analytics becoming better than comedy drunk poker levels definitely tapped the glass big time. Although probably it got them more viewers so...
Those people will always exist. Poker is a fun game. It's THE classic gambling card game. It will be bigger and smaller. It's going through a good renaissance right now.
From a now outsiders perspective, I stopped 10 years ago, and at the time I was playing everyday for hours and hours for a couple years, so it's like if I gave up and haven't gone back what's that say about the people who have stayed.. I think the majority of players today are hardcore. These people are likely to push themselves to learn it on a deep level to be very good. Black fri wiped out a ton of not so committed people who have not gone back, if something happens where it goes back to how it used to be, I don't think this topic will be much of a concern.(one reason why I haven't gone back is because I hardly see anything about poker anymore, that and it seems daunting finding where to play. Surely this is keeping others from playing too, so if that changes, improves then who knows maybe things will soften up)
The irony is that Doug was so anti “more rake is better” but a lot of times training sites are acting like additional rake on the community. It’s bad to have all that extra money coming out of poker.
A bit of a stretch.... Using your same logic, I could make the argument that "the existence of colleges or trade-schools is bad" because the increase of tradesmen cause a given industry to be saturated, decreasing the cost of labor. With that said, rake from poker sites and establishments are completely different than training sites..... Even conceptually. Rake from a poker site/establishment doesn't aid the player in any way or form, other than arbitrary elements such as jackpots or rewards systems which are still -EV. Training sites (free or otherwise) actually produce positive results for the *individual player who is looking to turn pro.* Rake doesn't help anyone but the casino/poker-room profits. Increasing rake does nothing but make the poker-room more money and the player less. Schooling (even with the negatives) actually benefits the individual, whether it is poker or a specific trade (like plumbing). Rake on the other hand benefits no one (other than casino profits). Insinuating that the argument of "raising the rake is bad" is a negative one is near ludicrous and has almost zero bearing on what is being discussed in this segment. I don't think anyone is arguing against the fact that training sites/schools are bad for the prospect of the average player making money in the game. But comparing the concept of "arguing against raising rake" to training sites is a huge stretch. There is no quid pro quo with rake. There is with training/schooling. One is an investment, the other is nothing more than a drain with no inherent benefit to anyone. Disregarding all of the aforementioned, the flow of information and efficiency within a given system is inevitable. Rake isn't.
@@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917 your comparison of poker training sites to college or trade schools is almost as dumb as comparing rake to training sites lol. If you don't think poker training sites has ruined the game of poker for recs you're just an idiot. They are drawing dead. Poker use to be who could outwit and outsmart and be more intuitive than the opponent. Now its what nerd can spend 14 hours a day memorizing content and solvers
I played party poker in 2005.. Me and my roommates would play pretty often so i got damned good (relatively). I won 1500 bucks in a few weeks. I remember when i saw my friend driving and he was like "where ya goin?!" "To cash some free money!!"..When i went to the bank they looked at the check like "ehhhh uhhh okay, are you sure this is going to come back okay?"
Training sites have been around since pre-black Friday. It's not anything new. There is more free content now. But training was available then and now. Games might get a little harder, but lucky people will still win. No name people will still win tournaments. I've watched zero training videos. And have studied none in the last 3 years. And my sharkscope is still in the black. I've won and final tabled mid stakes tournaments. And luck is still a huge factor like it's always been.
Haven't watched the video yet but... Part of Doug Polk's income is dependent on his training site. How can we listen to someone's opinion on this topic who is inherently biased?
Training sites honestly confuse the vast majority of people and people suck at implementing theory strategy. So no, in my opinion very few people put it to valuable use. At the top of the top the field is more even, but rarely do you find a low stakes degen like myself playing theory based poker and using it to completely annihalate my 1/3-5/10 games and $200-1k tourneys. Literally I am a god at my level. No one can even spell GTO.
It's mindboggling that Daily Fantasy sites are able to exist when poker is illegal in most states. DFS is a scam, only 1-2% of the players are making all the money. At least with poker, even though most players are losers, a decent % are making money and there is way more skill involved.
You can figure out people easier and counter their playing style to maximize your profits. Also playing drunk people Friday and Saturday nights is another way to profit.
You can't kill poker with training because most people can't beat emotion. Try to exclude emotion out of your games, ENTIRELY, at least for 2 sessions, graph your results and you'll see for yourself what a tremendous difference it makes when you become an ice cold robot player. It's the biggest increase to ROI you'll ever see.
There will always be money to be made because while those training sites and solvers are out there, there will always be new players still learning the game and people who don't bother to study as much as you have to
How can you trust the integrity of corporation's that registered on some island,when we can't even trust our governments.Somebody very wise once said " if a human hand is involved don't trust it ".
Shit I started saying this like 6 months ago and I’ve only even been playing for a few years. All thanks to poker training sites 😅. 1/2 players are pretty fucking decent online
Yes it’s annoying as fuck. For guys who are of low income the poker training has made the variance of the game impossible to beat. We got pros teaching people all the secrets of the game that ARENT THERES and claiming they discovered it? Dude we learn by losing. Let them all LOSE. FUCK!
Ultimately poker is a negative sum game (due to rake) so if you care about people in general the response is not to play poker. So, listening to poker players criticizing other poker players for improving the games of another group of poker players is pretty silly.
If your saying training sites are bad because it makes games harder. Then might as well say let's not train athletes because I don't want to keep training and look at new things it makes it harder for me.
I’ve never taken a course or read a book about poker … Patrik Antonius said the same thing during an interview on an episode of “High Stakes Poker” … Season 6 maybe, but I could be wrong… I see nothing wrong with providing a training course because I believe it will get more people involved with poker which is a good thing for the sport overall… My point is this: I do not see training courses for poker as a bad thing for the community at all… More information will allow for more innovation as more people become interested in the game.
Usually people with limited intellect and vocabulary have to rely on using “like”. Strange here because this guy doesn’t appear deficient in those categories.
Like the chess reference. I’m a chess expert. It’s completely different than poker. Everything is there. You know very quickly where your skill set is compared to another person. And luck Is not involved, hmmm maybe Phil Hellmuth ought to try chess!
That's why I hate these online training sites that teaches bad players to become better or average players to become good players. People who make these sites forgot how important is to keep the poker egosystem going (especially for online). They want to make an easy living by just making coaching videos. The better the players get, the less edges they'll have over their opponents. Eventually the playing field become at similar levels at a much higher standard that when a fish enters the table he would stand no chance (unless he gets incredibly lucky... which usually doesn't last for long). If you're good at poker, keep your secrets to yourself. Make your own money at the table. At least that's the rule for myself for many years and it's much better that way for everyone and for poker in general.
The ppl teaching on said training sites probably don't play much anymore if at all. Their main source of income no longer comes from playing the game but teaching it or from something completely unrelated to poker. That's why you'll see ppl like doug, still in the poker community sure but don't really play. They have nothing to lose by teaching others their secrets cause they no longer play the game anyway. That's why you wouldn't see a player like tom dwan for example coaching poker because; well, he still actively plays....
i can say for sure without Pokerstrategy 10 or 15 years ago I would never have started in poker, they gave me my first 50$ and great advice, forums to meet more people etc... live poker training for free it was the best at the time.
Pokersites make sure good players can't take advantage of the worst players, so the idiots keep coming back, but for good players its so clear they are deliberately dishing out bad beats to even up the odds its very sad to see how they have ruined a great game. Two days ago I had AA, flop was QQJ rainbow, villain goes all-in, I call, he has KT off suit. He has 2.5% chance. He gets runner runner Kings to win. When you see it happen different ways for AA 5 times on the trot its clearly just bullsh*t playing these sites. I don't ever have such problems playing live, except for the expected variance. This is whats killing the online game not people getting better, I simply don't believe their are millions of players all spending all theur time studying or using solvers.
@@phillipholmes5206 DO no let fool you by those mediocre DONKS who play online and part of them twitching their rigged games backed by scam Owners to promote and suggest bad play and variance to justify their theft .I agree with you Online scam is using Robinhood algorithm to protect losing players and promote NEW accounts (the ones who keep bringing money on the site) any time you are up against this players your kk will encounter a A on the board 99% of the time, you also you get incredible river bad beats in 9 max is utterly hilarious this patterns and the list continues .
u play against the "house in sportsbetting, in poker u play against real people. the "house" dont care if u win or lose in poker, they always take a cut, but dont lose any money.
Yes. Not sure why poker players haven’t just got into crypto. Was such an easy move a few years ago. Poker got so robotic and if people are spending that much time “in the lab” why do it on a game where the ROI is so much lower and long-term not lasting IMO. Go crypto. Play for fun. - coming from a former poker professional for 8 years
Meh, bollocks... This is the old talk... Even before internet, people had libraries. Were they getting better in the subjects they like? No. When internet came, some of us thought "wow, so nice, everyone will be able to learn anything they want". No, they prefer sweet cats and memes. In poker, the same happens. It doesn't matter if the teachings are there. The teachings don't make winners. To be a winner - poker or not - you have to really want it and then you search. About poker specifically, don't worry. The vast majority will always be dumb (or they don't care and that's okay - good for us) and they will not have enough will to work to be champions or even lucrative. Poker is VERY alive.
Im getting really frustrated by all those LGBTQ-Haters in here always trying to compare Dougs past to his new normal. "HE" is Vanessa Selbst, didnt you realized her abstinence from poker? you have to update to the new normal. LGBTQ*+ is ok, you sound like from another decade. Who cares if he calls himself Doug or Vanessa? He/she is good at poker and this is what counts. Stop hating her for trying to be herself, if she wants to call herself Doug than what is YOUR F****** Problem?
no not really. Poker is much easier now cause everybody plays the same. Thanks a lot to bad players like FintanHand or so. I never used training sites, i never used a calculator, no need for that crap in poker. I play my own style and have much more success than ever before. My ROI exploded in the last 2 Years
Strong winning poker have always been about adaptation. Training sites have raised the skills of the 'average' player, which is probably why all the karens out there are having a whinge. If you are truly talented, you will adapt quickly to the latest changes, and be the one to beat. Up until this point, a select group of pros have had the spoils of the lion's share of the poker profits because they kept the secrets to themselves. Again, it is about living with the times, and be skilful enough to adapt.
At the end of the day you shouldn't be playing those "select"pros if your coming up and haven't achieved the success necessary to endure the cold times. I simply stopped playing because I wasn't profitable. For me it was never about being the best or beating the best. It was and will always be about providing for myself so I don't have to work 60 hours a week at minimum wage. I had those sentiments and feelings since I was 13 and learned the game. I'm now 33 and this game destroyed my hopes and dreams. Let me tell you it hurt. But finally I am at peace knowing I will never win the big one or live comfortable. Poker is very comparable to life. You have to know when to get on and off the rollercoaster. And hope your not alone when you get off.
Hilarious how this Dude time ago pod cast "Cheaters" in live Cash Game , live stream screaming how bad for game is to cheat etc, etc, and now this SAME DUDE is deleting post regarding Integrity of the online game . What's up dude don;t you love the integrity of the game anymore?
I've been said this. Poker IS a game of create your own ideas, stoicism, and lies. Now we have people mass creating study charts of habits and plays to shove ranges. And it's like lessons on days that don't end in Y people...... I also believe that these training sites get people to think one way but getting them to all badly play SHOVE CHART poker when in reality/actuality tho ranges may work in an ideal world, they're not accurate by any means because your table, tourney size, structure, and image can contribute to alot of miscalculated run ins due to DOUG POLKS shove range being diff from u or I based on his image alone...... PLAY THE DAMN GAME. There IS NO EASY WAY OUT, NO SHORTCUTS HOME
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I understand what Doug Polk is trying to say but by making games tougher to beat basically drove away a lot of business. And people can say stuff like online gambling is stopping US players playing but let’s be real games are still tough without US players. So I for one don’t think training sites should have came out.
@Doug polk +①②⑤①③④⑦②⑨⑨⑤ I usually review hand history and try and figure out what I could have done to win the hand and what mistakes I was making when I was playing. Plus I don’t want to pay so much money to learn from a site like I said I think training sites are bad for poker in general. But thank you for the recommendation
It’s like this: poker lessons used to look like this: U go to a back room place full of questionable individuals with unquestionable criminal records. U lose and win and lose and win. And then u prove you’re not the cops. Then u lose some more. Then finally an old timer sits u down for a “talkin to” about your game. And he tells u secrets of the game he’s learned. U apply it. U win.--that’s why a poker lesson used to look like--not some class from a cakeater who has never once feared for his life for the game--y’all are breaking the hustlers code--and once any of us true poker players who have been buying in with our rent to pay the bills or we eat hot dogs for the next month--as SOOON as one of us makes it we will own all of u. Mark my words. Y’all talk about bankroll management. Cuz u never had to get it from ZERO. Most don’t even know what that number means. Try dealing with variance in that regard. So yeah: it pisses me off all these classes telling privileged kids with trust funds how to play cuz they’re bored with ruining our economy with Bitcoin. #yeahisaidit
Chess is 100% skill, and you find out pretty quickly if you are great, good, decent, or suck. You can hustle and make money at chess, but not a huge amount. If you are the top-top player, you could make a few million for an event.
You can training in poker how much you want ,,but if you don't have patient and self control you emotion in long term you always lose ,,,,i think patient and self control cannot be learned but is genetic this is reason why only 1-2 percent become rich with poker and 98-99 percent of people always lose in long term ,,,,in poker 90 percent of player have the same problem when they lose they double to take back their money ,,,but professional player never do that the left the game and play tomorrow when is calm ,,,the second big mistake in cash game that amator player play to be rich in one day
The day online poker training started was the final nail in the coffin for poker..the whole point of poker is to have an edge over your opponents by putting in the time to get that edge..now people can learn everything there is possible in poker before they even bet their first dollar no one pays the price to learn the game like everyone before them did..it's like knowing where a gold mine is at and before you empty the mine you sell a map to the location of the mine and let everyone else cash in on it..you sell the map when the mine is empty not when it is still full of gold..
I once heard Barry Greenstein say most money won in poker is off people on tilt.
I think players that are trying to get better focus far too much on strategy and spend far too little time on their mindset, bankroll management, and game selection.
I think no matter how skilled the player pool gets as long as you're more patient and tilt less, you'll win more.
Just Play Your Game
Being able to tilt your opponent (without crossing the line of course) is a dark art that can make you win more money at the table (easier at live games than online). I'm not saying you should go tilt every player at your table as that might backfired at you as the whole table would specifically play against you which is not always a good thing lol. But you can always carefully select 1 or 2 players to do so if you think that person(s) can easily go on tilt or you would have a big advantage over them by doing so. Since managing your mental game is part of poker that not many people pay much attention to or even failed to do so these days (Hellmuth for example 😂).
A good player on mega tilt 🤬😤 is no better than an average player playing their A game. That's the difference and it show the effectiveness of this dark art.
I know being on tilt is how I lose most of my money.
@@ellisjk1409 yeah, it's actually a major factor in poker. I know a friend of mine who was a very good player who grinded from 1/2 to playing 25/50 in just 4-5years time. But his mental game is shit and his BR management also isn't good either. At the end he went broke after a long downswing + playing on tilt for most sessions doesn't help either. Eventually he was back down to the bottom and even owe his friends money etc... It was a bad ending for his poker career.
Bumhunting it used to be called.
It's inevitable, if there's money at stake the market will become more and more efficient
games definitely get tougher over time, but as long as you study and stay ahead of the curve, there's opportunity. A lot of people just misapply concepts, and then you always have people who play for different reasons than someone who is playing with the intention to win, and who understands what winning even means in the context of poker. Specific to live poker as well, many of the players play for social aspect, and are not actually playing to win, even if they think they are. When you commit consistent mathematical and fundamental errors, you aren't actually trying to win even if you think you are. you're just hoping.
If everyone studies and gets good, sure you could get a 3% edge. But now with rake it’s no longer profitable and you’re just gambling.
@@windy619 but many wont study or dont know how to study. alot of people do it for recreation. games are currently amazing(especially live). in the 8 years ive played Ive seen them get less good than they were 8 years ago, but they are still very soft and with enough focus, effort and skill, theres lots of opportunity to be had.
@@RyanSpicer I just saw comments on a poker Instagram and people are all advocating c betting aces with no spade from utg into two late position callers on a 459 all spade flop “because 100% c bet” or “to see where you’re at” and I realize you are definitely correct lol. Also I need to play live more I play too much online. 1/2 certainly has some very tough tables online I’d think compared to before training sites though. It’s still profitable for me overall though and I’m not a pro
@@RyanSpicer softer really?! In live? Interesting.
@@windy619 exactly lol people don't understand how equity drives decisions and strategy. online 1-2 is way way tougher than live for sure. I mean, if you can beat 50-100NL online, you probably have the skillset to beat 5-10 live, and certainly 2-5.(not factoring for mental game or bankroll etc)
you can train all you like, but you gotta bring your game on match day. REAL decisions change the ball game.
I haven’t played online for cash since Black Friday. I have no doubt it is harder today but it’s funny that the same concerns ten years ago regarding the game being too tough to beat since most players have been trained up a bit, are still around today. But nothing stays the same and if you aren’t moving forward, you’re probably moving backward.
I was I told games were super tough when I was winning 2bb 6 years ago. Now I’m winning 10bb at midstakes...guess I outran the games
I started playing poker for fun in 2004 or 2005. Even at that time there were a bunch of books out to teach people how to get better at poker. Training sites are just the logical progression. And while I absolutely understand the perspective of people not wanting games to get tougher, it strikes me as fairly scummy to have come up watching Cardrunners, DC, Doug, Galfond, etc. and then turn around and say that people should be deprived from those same resources because it hurts your bottom line.
If a thing exists, someone will make a how-to guide, c'est la vie
Says a rich guy who is loving big banking people
@@nickrascona7599 you sound like a loser saying thinks like that. If you don’t like people getting better at the game then get better than them. If you can’t then you weren’t cut out to play anyways.
Maybe don't play a game that has been solved by thousands.
As long as there is poker there will always people that don’t want to study, always people that just like to gamble, just like being lucky, players that tilt, players that just want a double up…that’s the beauty of it.
Although online is different and 💯 tougher…pp poker and all these poker clubs popping up online have a lot more recreational players which has been a blessing
Yeah but that number is going down and in the end i's all about fighting over crumbs. Unless we see a new poker boom, which I don't see happening.
This covid relief to poker is short-lived.
I love listening to 2 people who no longer play poker, but will train others to play poker. I always hear them saying what a grind it is. They themselves are telling you that it is not a long term activity to go for, yet they will take your money to instruct you on how to be great at poker. I love that Doug is real about it. Truth....their is so very few full time "live" poker players in the world ( no sponsors, no you tube ). By the way, online poker has Bots, Cheats and sites that can just take your money and disappear, FACT. The game is not dying but it is not growing. Having "pro's" kill off the fish is not a good recipe for long term success for the game. Disagree, then sit down at a table with 8 Germans.....good luck to you. Nuff said
This is why I was always more concerned about the SITE than the players. Fish outnumber sharks 9:1. Sites make money based on traffic, like a toll bridge. They can't make money if sharks eat the fish. And sites have the ultimate "mechanics" dealing the cards!
If you play longer than an hour on any site you start to see you are getting less and less good cards, and eventually you will get a run of unbelivable bad beats, or a couple of people playing together will come on the table and play ridiculously colluding to turf you off. It's just not the way to make money at poker. Finding soft live tables is still easy, which tells me its the site owners who have corrupted the game that have actually made it harder.
Micro levels are more dificult than never, i see people using more and better strategies, its logic, there are more sites, and you can found a lot of channels whit free content.
I disagree. Poker is live and well. I grinder 50nl and 30nl for a month hard and made 1300. I made just over 7k in a year grinding these low stakes online part time
The Micro Mtts regs on ACR have better players then live mtts that range from 500$ down imho. It’s the volume of play I believe that improves people’s games. Sure you can learn a lot of concepts, a ton of theory, defined ranges etc, but to know WHEN to use them and WHO to use them against is the key.
Micro levels are often more tight, but once u go up to like nl25 it's pretty easy. That's a pretty good level to play at if you're a cashgamer, and play multiple tables or zoom, for example.
Maby its true that on NL25 or higher its easear, i dont know, i think at least in Spain where we only play vs france and portugal its harder, there is less traffic of players. Anyway i been playing microlimits since 2002 (from NL2 to NL50) and for example i know that people years a go basiccly had 3 or 4 betsizes (33% 50% 75% and all in) know you can see more often 20% 25% 40% 60% 66% 90% 100% 130% 140%...etc. of corse more in regular players. And this also became happening whit strategies too, atleast thats my ponint of view. (sorry if my english have mistakes, i dont speak it perfect)
@@camboanbeats1946 There has certainly been an increase in skill & knowledge. Which is very normal with all info being available online & these training sites. But if you are any serious about poker you would move quick from nl10 games anyway. Even in tournaments the level isn't really high even in midstakes like 200$ buyin for example. I've even seen the most donkey moves in the highest cash games :)
Training sites? No. Solvers with advantages that scale with how much you pay for the product? Yes. Game sucks now. Robots at every table.
Trading stocks you can play all tables at the same time, you don't have financial incentive to expose market inefficiencies publicly. Either you have a resource advantage that can't be crossed like high frequency traders have or you have a knowledge advantage and you keep locked like some quant funds. There's public strategies that work for higher return than market average but they are in line with market efficiency, like small cheap (book to market) illiquid stocks giving higher returns (along with bigger uncertainty of returns).
The bots are gonna reply soon..
Finally someone who gets it. Because of the money involved, the market has simply become more and more efficient. This has destroyed the easy edge. This happened when trading pits went from open outcry to electronic trading. The market became more efficient and the pit traders lost their edge so they were eradicated if they didn't evolve. It's simple market dynamics there's no ethics or morality involved. Thanks for the comment Alex
The beginning of the video brought back memories. Remember when you would wire your money to an intermediary in the Philippines, who could get it loaded onto a source that you could use to transfer it into your online poler account?
I just spent the previous week in Vegas during the WSOP playing cash games. While the current pool isn’t as clueless as around 2002-2009(Including myself), but it’s still very much alive and well.
4:24 There are training courses and videos for every niche you can possibly think of. What are you talking about?
6:00 Many companies exist to take value from customers. That's how they profit.
Yeah no joke.
No one seems to be commenting on the 100k 5-way pot with a guy checking the nuts on the turn and then last to act on the river? Where did you find this footage? I have so many questions
It still shocks me how far one can get playing ABC poker live or online. Most people still make the same mistakes.
@Doug polk +①②⑤①③④⑦②⑨⑨⑤ Wtf...
I knew it was bad when I was playing 3/5 at a local casino when a guy with an Audi R8 was talking about GTO. I watched him play and he was playing good too… that’s why I moved away from poker
This was a good topic. I’d like to know how common it is for online cheats in poker?
Common. The superuser's on AP and UB will be something else in modern day. A group of people in different states would fill a 6 Max table and let someone sit and play 5 against 1. Same with SnG's. There were issues on ACR of someone with multiple accounts entering a bunch of accounts at the last minute of late reg, and would have all those accounts on one table. And basically be guaranteed a cash on most of those accounts. Bunch of different things. Online poker has always been sketchy. And Absolute and UB were solid proof that it's not just crooked players. But site owners too.
@@jamalsowell3650 Would NEVER play cash games online for exactly the reasons you gave, but never had trouble with 1 or 2 table SnGs. As long as the site is actively scanning of non random pairings, which they can do fairly easily. If a pack jams a 9 player SnG, they're splitting my $100 buyin 8 ways after a hours work? Not worth their time or trouble.
Collusion, collusion, collusion.
@@jamalsowell3650 I appreciate this feedback.
who is killing poker? Greedy poker sites. Just imagine every 1000 hands just from 1 table nl50 pokerstars takes 240$ from players. This is insane and you cannot find any other game that would charge as much.
That is wrong. Standard rake is around 12-14 bb per 100. This comes to approx 10*13*0.5 = 65 bux.
I don't think training sites are killing poker. Greedy people cheating using solvers and multi-accounting online is killing online poker. Live poker is the best pure form of poker these days.
Having multiple accounts is illegal on every online site. Players can defeat detection, no doubt, but technology should continue to make it more difficult.
I've always been more concerned about the integrity of the SITE than other players.
Poker tracker, solvers, HUDs are definitely part of online poker. Like chess, the only solution is FAST play.
Nah- all the good training sites are decently expensive. Then even if you’re trained, using the strategies on a live game for any consistent amount of time takes more discipline than your average “reg” has.
IMO when ESPN started to get super analytical in their broadcasts it really hurt. The only network consistently covering it was tapping the glass. That pushed an entire generation to think about advanced concepts instead of just showing up to have a few drinks and gamble.
Agreed the ESPN analytics becoming better than comedy drunk poker levels definitely tapped the glass big time. Although probably it got them more viewers so...
Agreed the ESPN analytics becoming better than comedy drunk poker levels definitely tapped the glass big time. Although probably it got them more viewers so...
Poker eventually will dry up when your average Joe has all most no chance of winning. Those are the people that feed the game !!
Those people will always exist. Poker is a fun game. It's THE classic gambling card game. It will be bigger and smaller. It's going through a good renaissance right now.
From a now outsiders perspective, I stopped 10 years ago, and at the time I was playing everyday for hours and hours for a couple years, so it's like if I gave up and haven't gone back what's that say about the people who have stayed.. I think the majority of players today are hardcore. These people are likely to push themselves to learn it on a deep level to be very good. Black fri wiped out a ton of not so committed people who have not gone back, if something happens where it goes back to how it used to be, I don't think this topic will be much of a concern.(one reason why I haven't gone back is because I hardly see anything about poker anymore, that and it seems daunting finding where to play. Surely this is keeping others from playing too, so if that changes, improves then who knows maybe things will soften up)
The irony is that Doug was so anti “more rake is better” but a lot of times training sites are acting like additional rake on the community. It’s bad to have all that extra money coming out of poker.
Very insightful.
Exactly
A bit of a stretch.... Using your same logic, I could make the argument that "the existence of colleges or trade-schools is bad" because the increase of tradesmen cause a given industry to be saturated, decreasing the cost of labor.
With that said, rake from poker sites and establishments are completely different than training sites..... Even conceptually.
Rake from a poker site/establishment doesn't aid the player in any way or form, other than arbitrary elements such as jackpots or rewards systems which are still -EV. Training sites (free or otherwise) actually produce positive results for the *individual player who is looking to turn pro.* Rake doesn't help anyone but the casino/poker-room profits. Increasing rake does nothing but make the poker-room more money and the player less. Schooling (even with the negatives) actually benefits the individual, whether it is poker or a specific trade (like plumbing). Rake on the other hand benefits no one (other than casino profits).
Insinuating that the argument of "raising the rake is bad" is a negative one is near ludicrous and has almost zero bearing on what is being discussed in this segment.
I don't think anyone is arguing against the fact that training sites/schools are bad for the prospect of the average player making money in the game. But comparing the concept of "arguing against raising rake" to training sites is a huge stretch. There is no quid pro quo with rake. There is with training/schooling. One is an investment, the other is nothing more than a drain with no inherent benefit to anyone.
Disregarding all of the aforementioned, the flow of information and efficiency within a given system is inevitable. Rake isn't.
@@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917 your comparison of poker training sites to college or trade schools is almost as dumb as comparing rake to training sites lol. If you don't think poker training sites has ruined the game of poker for recs you're just an idiot. They are drawing dead. Poker use to be who could outwit and outsmart and be more intuitive than the opponent. Now its what nerd can spend 14 hours a day memorizing content and solvers
Poker is fine. Same as it always has been. We came up during the boom. Should be legal
I played party poker in 2005.. Me and my roommates would play pretty often so i got damned good (relatively). I won 1500 bucks in a few weeks. I remember when i saw my friend driving and he was like "where ya goin?!" "To cash some free money!!"..When i went to the bank they looked at the check like "ehhhh uhhh okay, are you sure this is going to come back okay?"
Training sites have been around since pre-black Friday. It's not anything new. There is more free content now. But training was available then and now. Games might get a little harder, but lucky people will still win. No name people will still win tournaments. I've watched zero training videos. And have studied none in the last 3 years. And my sharkscope is still in the black. I've won and final tabled mid stakes tournaments. And luck is still a huge factor like it's always been.
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Why would I even bother playing $22 tournaments online when people like lex and tonkaa are grinding them too lol
RTA is killing poker. Not training sites.
Road traffic accidents? Are killing online poker? jk
Haven't watched the video yet but... Part of Doug Polk's income is dependent on his training site. How can we listen to someone's opinion on this topic who is inherently biased?
More rake is better… when it comes from training courses
Really hope solvers make people bored of NL and play other games like Stud and Hi Lo. They are fun games that are sadly dying or hard to find.
Limit hold'em was popular online at the start of the poker boom. Look at it now.
5 card omaha....poker's future
Training sites honestly confuse the vast majority of people and people suck at implementing theory strategy. So no, in my opinion very few people put it to valuable use. At the top of the top the field is more even, but rarely do you find a low stakes degen like myself playing theory based poker and using it to completely annihalate my 1/3-5/10 games and $200-1k tourneys. Literally I am a god at my level. No one can even spell GTO.
Training sites definitely destroyed poker for people trying to make money , it's rare to see someone making a living nowadays
It's mindboggling that Daily Fantasy sites are able to exist when poker is illegal in most states. DFS is a scam, only 1-2% of the players are making all the money. At least with poker, even though most players are losers, a decent % are making money and there is way more skill involved.
You can figure out people easier and counter their playing style to maximize your profits. Also playing drunk people Friday and Saturday nights is another way to profit.
How dare people get educated so they're less easy to take advantage of, I require easy targets! 🤣🤣🤣
You can't kill poker with training because most people can't beat emotion. Try to exclude emotion out of your games, ENTIRELY, at least for 2 sessions, graph your results and you'll see for yourself what a tremendous difference it makes when you become an ice cold robot player. It's the biggest increase to ROI you'll ever see.
yes sir you nailed it
There will always be money to be made because while those training sites and solvers are out there, there will always be new players still learning the game and people who don't bother to study as much as you have to
The hud also had a huge impact.
Humans can never play GTO so we should be fine
How can you trust the integrity of corporation's that registered on some island,when we can't even trust our governments.Somebody very wise once said " if a human hand is involved don't trust it ".
It's being killed by computers, not by training sites.
Shit I started saying this like 6 months ago and I’ve only even been playing for a few years. All thanks to poker training sites 😅. 1/2 players are pretty fucking decent online
If they lean and trade it gets supper difficult really easily.
There is no justification for the belief that I deserve to play against uninformed opponents
Yes it’s annoying as fuck. For guys who are of low income the poker training has made the variance of the game impossible to beat. We got pros teaching people all the secrets of the game that ARENT THERES and claiming they discovered it? Dude we learn by losing. Let them all LOSE. FUCK!
There is definitely both gambling in chess and training sites. Its really similar to cards
Ultimately poker is a negative sum game (due to rake) so if you care about people in general the response is not to play poker. So, listening to poker players criticizing other poker players for improving the games of another group of poker players is pretty silly.
If your saying training sites are bad because it makes games harder. Then might as well say let's not train athletes because I don't want to keep training and look at new things it makes it harder for me.
Software and training sites have ruined the game. Games are 1,000x tougher now than 10y ago
Isn’t this the guys who shouted “I worked you! I worked you!” In that old ass poker video?
Good question
Nope. Was just at Borgata playing today. People are still horrible.
I’ve never taken a course or read a book about poker … Patrik Antonius said the same thing during an interview on an episode of “High Stakes Poker” … Season 6 maybe, but I could be wrong… I see nothing wrong with providing a training course because I believe it will get more people involved with poker which is a good thing for the sport overall… My point is this: I do not see training courses for poker as a bad thing for the community at all… More information will allow for more innovation as more people become interested in the game.
What the **** is it with this guy using the word "like" every 3rd word? Had to stop watching before 3 minutes had passed.
So like, you probably like, never been to the valley Ryan and like, so there’s that right?
Stop being a puthy and watch the whole thing.
Usually people with limited intellect and vocabulary have to rely on using “like”. Strange here because this guy doesn’t appear deficient in those categories.
Funny I’m usually sensitive to this, but I don’t perceive Polk using “like” particularly often… Polk is a very bright guy…
Like the chess reference. I’m a chess expert. It’s completely different than poker. Everything is there. You know very quickly where your skill set is compared to another person. And luck Is not involved, hmmm maybe Phil Hellmuth ought to try chess!
Wasn’t trying to reach out but 😄 funny. I just remember when Hellmuth said if wasn’t for luck he’d win every one
Doug you should play wsop app tournaments. Thatd be funny lol
I think hé mentioned Like
Doug Polk is the kid in high school that bullied everyone, but ran away from a fight.
That's why I hate these online training sites that teaches bad players to become better or average players to become good players.
People who make these sites forgot how important is to keep the poker egosystem going (especially for online). They want to make an easy living by just making coaching videos. The better the players get, the less edges they'll have over their opponents. Eventually the playing field become at similar levels at a much higher standard that when a fish enters the table he would stand no chance (unless he gets incredibly lucky... which usually doesn't last for long).
If you're good at poker, keep your secrets to yourself. Make your own money at the table. At least that's the rule for myself for many years and it's much better that way for everyone and for poker in general.
Agree but it appears we are old school
The ppl teaching on said training sites probably don't play much anymore if at all. Their main source of income no longer comes from playing the game but teaching it or from something completely unrelated to poker. That's why you'll see ppl like doug, still in the poker community sure but don't really play. They have nothing to lose by teaching others their secrets cause they no longer play the game anyway. That's why you wouldn't see a player like tom dwan for example coaching poker because; well, he still actively plays....
"the poker egosystem" is actually a brilliantly apt phrase for a lot of the people involved
Just wait until online Poker is legal in ALL 50 States!!
i can say for sure without Pokerstrategy 10 or 15 years ago I would never have started in poker, they gave me my first 50$ and great advice, forums to meet more people etc... live poker training for free it was the best at the time.
Surely this guy will watch this back and think 'i say like way too much'
poker is being killed by the slot owned pokersites
Pokersites make sure good players can't take advantage of the worst players, so the idiots keep coming back, but for good players its so clear they are deliberately dishing out bad beats to even up the odds its very sad to see how they have ruined a great game. Two days ago I had AA, flop was QQJ rainbow, villain goes all-in, I call, he has KT off suit. He has 2.5% chance. He gets runner runner Kings to win. When you see it happen different ways for AA 5 times on the trot its clearly just bullsh*t playing these sites. I don't ever have such problems playing live, except for the expected variance. This is whats killing the online game not people getting better, I simply don't believe their are millions of players all spending all theur time studying or using solvers.
@@phillipholmes5206 DO no let fool you by those mediocre DONKS who play online and part of them twitching their rigged games backed by scam Owners to promote and suggest bad play and variance to justify their theft .I agree with you Online scam is using Robinhood algorithm to protect losing players and promote NEW accounts (the ones who keep bringing money on the site) any time you are up against this players your kk will encounter a A on the board 99% of the time, you also you get incredible river bad beats in 9 max is utterly hilarious this patterns and the list continues .
online is rig'ed and super boring, nuff said
u play against the "house in sportsbetting, in poker u play against real people. the "house" dont care if u win or lose in poker, they always take a cut, but dont lose any money.
There's millions of different sports betting subscriptions...
are not ruining poker, just are changing the game
It’s not the training it’s the bots and artificial computers making decisions for you online lol live poker is alive . Online poker is dead
Yes. Not sure why poker players haven’t just got into crypto. Was such an easy move a few years ago. Poker got so robotic and if people are spending that much time “in the lab” why do it on a game where the ROI is so much lower and long-term not lasting IMO. Go crypto. Play for fun. - coming from a former poker professional for 8 years
Money wise it is true, poker is also for fun, poker is never a good career for money just like any other sports, only few can make it to the top.
Most poker rooms run a sports betting facility!!!!! That's where their money is
How could a card game get killed?
Meh, bollocks...
This is the old talk...
Even before internet, people had libraries. Were they getting better in the subjects they like? No.
When internet came, some of us thought "wow, so nice, everyone will be able to learn anything they want". No, they prefer sweet cats and memes.
In poker, the same happens. It doesn't matter if the teachings are there. The teachings don't make winners. To be a winner - poker or not - you have to really want it and then you search. About poker specifically, don't worry. The vast majority will always be dumb (or they don't care and that's okay - good for us) and they will not have enough will to work to be champions or even lucrative. Poker is VERY alive.
*"Oh, no! People are going to get better, and beat me!"*
Im getting really frustrated by all those LGBTQ-Haters in here always trying to compare Dougs past to his new normal.
"HE" is Vanessa Selbst, didnt you realized her abstinence from poker? you have to update to the new normal. LGBTQ*+ is ok, you sound like from another decade. Who cares if he calls himself Doug or Vanessa? He/she is good at poker and this is what counts. Stop hating her for trying to be herself, if she wants to call herself Doug than what is YOUR F****** Problem?
no not really. Poker is much easier now cause everybody plays the same. Thanks a lot to bad players like FintanHand or so. I never used training sites, i never used a calculator, no need for that crap in poker. I play my own style and have much more success than ever before. My ROI exploded in the last 2 Years
What kind of style do you play? I experienced the opposite thing, I was printing till two years ago.
It’s straight luck buddy it’s nothing more than a card game…
There are plenty of chess training sites. It's a billion dollar industry
I was done with Polk when he used preflop charts against dnegs. Cheesy and that’s not poker. He’s dead to me now.
The poker is real, trading is sick
@Doug polk +①②⑤①③④⑦②⑨⑨⑤ to say that poker is dead is madness and you who are a champion know it well.
all I know is that you always bluff with 7/2 off suit. always.
As long as it's without showing, it works for me
Strong winning poker have always been about adaptation. Training sites have raised the skills of the 'average' player, which is probably why all the karens out there are having a whinge.
If you are truly talented, you will adapt quickly to the latest changes, and be the one to beat.
Up until this point, a select group of pros have had the spoils of the lion's share of the poker profits because they kept the secrets to themselves. Again, it is about living with the times, and be skilful enough to adapt.
At the end of the day you shouldn't be playing those "select"pros if your coming up and haven't achieved the success necessary to endure the cold times. I simply stopped playing because I wasn't profitable. For me it was never about being the best or beating the best. It was and will always be about providing for myself so I don't have to work 60 hours a week at minimum wage. I had those sentiments and feelings since I was 13 and learned the game. I'm now 33 and this game destroyed my hopes and dreams. Let me tell you it hurt. But finally I am at peace knowing I will never win the big one or live comfortable. Poker is very comparable to life. You have to know when to get on and off the rollercoaster. And hope your not alone when you get off.
Hilarious how this Dude time ago pod cast "Cheaters" in live Cash Game , live stream screaming how bad for game is to cheat etc, etc, and now this SAME DUDE is deleting post regarding Integrity of the online game . What's up dude don;t you love the integrity of the game anymore?
they don't know anything about sports betting
And like , like , it was like, like , pretty like, like , it’s like , and like , it’s like
Gen X proving millennials, like, weren't the fist ones, like, talking, like, with a lot of, like, likes.
AINT SKEERED
It's impossible to do anything now, players know what's going on
Get better.
I've been said this. Poker IS a game of create your own ideas, stoicism, and lies. Now we have people mass creating study charts of habits and plays to shove ranges. And it's like lessons on days that don't end in Y people...... I also believe that these training sites get people to think one way but getting them to all badly play SHOVE CHART poker when in reality/actuality tho ranges may work in an ideal world, they're not accurate by any means because your table, tourney size, structure, and image can contribute to alot of miscalculated run ins due to DOUG POLKS shove range being diff from u or I based on his image alone...... PLAY THE DAMN GAME. There IS NO EASY WAY OUT, NO SHORTCUTS HOME
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Wow that's so lovely I'm so happy 😊 my life is totally changed. I've been earning $10,250 returns from my $4,000 Investment every 13 days
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I heard a lot of investing with Mr Lawrence Tom and how good he is, please how safe are the profit?
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This is so interesting 🤔
You're destroying the game, what would you say to that? "Study harder".
3 YRS LATER and the game is dead thanks doug!
You can train all you want, but all that matters is how focused you are for the day.
Doug please help me
I understand what Doug Polk is trying to say but by making games tougher to beat basically drove away a lot of business. And people can say stuff like online gambling is stopping US players playing but let’s be real games are still tough without US players. So I for one don’t think training sites should have came out.
@Doug polk +①②⑤①③④⑦②⑨⑨⑤ I usually review hand history and try and figure out what I could have done to win the hand and what mistakes I was making when I was playing. Plus I don’t want to pay so much money to learn from a site like I said I think training sites are bad for poker in general. But thank you for the recommendation
It’s like this: poker lessons used to look like this: U go to a back room place full of questionable individuals with unquestionable criminal records. U lose and win and lose and win. And then u prove you’re not the cops. Then u lose some more. Then finally an old timer sits u down for a “talkin to” about your game. And he tells u secrets of the game he’s learned. U apply it. U win.--that’s why a poker lesson used to look like--not some class from a cakeater who has never once feared for his life for the game--y’all are breaking the hustlers code--and once any of us true poker players who have been buying in with our rent to pay the bills or we eat hot dogs for the next month--as SOOON as one of us makes it we will own all of u. Mark my words. Y’all talk about bankroll management. Cuz u never had to get it from ZERO. Most don’t even know what that number means. Try dealing with variance in that regard. So yeah: it pisses me off all these classes telling privileged kids with trust funds how to play cuz they’re bored with ruining our economy with Bitcoin. #yeahisaidit
The knowledge isn’t yours or mine it’s the games. And the game is to be sold not told mfkas. See you soon on the felts!💯
Sure it would be better for you guys if you could play with nits all day lmao
Chess is 100% skill, and you find out pretty quickly if you are great, good, decent, or suck. You can hustle and make money at chess, but not a huge amount. If you are the top-top player, you could make a few million for an event.
You can training in poker how much you want ,,but if you don't have patient and self control you emotion in long term you always lose ,,,,i think patient and self control cannot be learned but is genetic this is reason why only 1-2 percent become rich with poker and 98-99 percent of people always lose in long term ,,,,in poker 90 percent of player have the same problem when they lose they double to take back their money ,,,but professional player never do that the left the game and play tomorrow when is calm ,,,the second big mistake in cash game that amator player play to be rich in one day
The day online poker training started was the final nail in the coffin for poker..the whole point of poker is to have an edge over your opponents by putting in the time to get that edge..now people can learn everything there is possible in poker before they even bet their first dollar no one pays the price to learn the game like everyone before them did..it's like knowing where a gold mine is at and before you empty the mine you sell a map to the location of the mine and let everyone else cash in on it..you sell the map when the mine is empty not when it is still full of gold..