If You Train BJJ Long Enough, You’ll Face This Painful Reality
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- Опубліковано 11 чер 2024
- What's up guys,
Today we've got a question from Aaron, who is getting a little older, 49 years old, and he's had a string of bad luck (ACL Tear, Cancer, COVID, Labral Tear in his Shoulders, etc).
He's a 4-stripe brown belt but says he feels like an absolute shell of his former self.
He says that when he was a BJJ Purple Belt, he was training a lot more and would decimate this new, 4-stripe brown belt version of him.
He's worried that he's not ready for the impending black belt that is soon to come.
He's wondering if he should tell his coach NOT to promote him to Black Belt OR if he should just take the Black Belt and be happy with it.
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- Chewy
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I’m 51 and I get killed by the teenagers at my BJJ club. But… I could whoop the average untrained person at any age. Get the black belt, you’ll never regret it.
Aging is rough of our egos. Like the Marines say, “Adjust, adapt and overcome.” Forget the ranks and just enjoy yourself. If it’s not enjoyable anymore, find a new hobby/sport.
You never see any video of John Danaher rolling and he’s one of the best bjj black belt coaches alive. Your body won’t last for ever but your knowledge can still grow.
Just the fact that you still train after all those things proves that you deserve your belt.
I'm 55, have cancer, just promoted in judo, will be promoted this weekend in BJJ. I asked the same question. My coach said 'you come, you show up, you show out, you participate, and you're an example. You have earned the promotion.' Good enough for me.
I’m not as good at bjj as when I was a Brownbekt. But I know way more
I know competitive bjjers that are great but who cant show you 5 sweeps or card passes.
They may tap me but I deserve to be higher rank cause I know shit
After all those illnesses and you still come back to the mats . That is harder than jiujitsu itself. Life keeps kicking you down and you still get up. The samurai spirit.
This is why I’m glad I started at 41. I’ll never have to worry about losing how great I was in my prime. Haha
started at this age too lol. how old r u now?
@@mrkauffman 44 now. Haha
Same, 42, I think this is going hard lol
Same. But when I hit 49 new body pain emerged and young competitive white belts got faster and stronger 😢
Soon to be 67 I've trained Monsters to be better than me. I'm a gym rat since 1962 @5. I cross train with MTB and battling cancer. I coach BJJ over 25 years, enjoy the relationships! I've been bless to follow my passions!
Being an "oldish" hobbiest black belt at 41, a lot of being happy in the sport is not measuring against the kids. In some ways, they are playing a different sport. Be humble, be consistent, and have fun.
I see young blue or purple belts get the better of our older black belts all the time. We don't think anything less of them. Their knowledge and experience is highly respected and their belt is a symbol of that. People should put less stake on the outcomes of a roll when physicality is not equal
Been a blue belt since 2005, but maybe rolling for a rough decade or so. 51, and my actual self would own and beat up my younger self of 30, 35, and even 40, it's crazy.
I've stopped drinking, stopped eating junk, and sleep better with a few siestes when needed, and that is what most old hobbyist BJJ students don't want to do.
Its always hard to age when don't give up stuffs for good.
Totally feel this one. Shortly after getting my black belt I developed a severe panic disorder which were being triggered by a tumor growing inside my heart. The tumor was found while doing a CT scan during cancer treatments for something completely different. I was sidelined for 4 years but I slowly started making my way back on the mat 2 years ago. I am grateful to be able to step back on the mat but a little part of me is sad that I will never be the 'enforcer' again. I just show up and do what I can!
I’m just got my first stripe on my brown belt and an turning 50 soon. Even though my cardio and strength and conditioning are still good “on the books”, recovery after a session is definitely harder, and not only have I physically lost a step, emotionally I just find it hard to have that competitive spirit round after round after round, especially with the stresses of owning a business, kids getting ready for college, etc… I try to do a few competitive rounds and then a lot of situational rounds, which allow both partners to work on specific positions and techniques, but take the ego out of the round completely. I’m finding that not only is it less stressful, but my technique is improving using this strategy. Maybe it’s not for everyone, but I hope this might help some other practitioners who might be experiencing the same types of roadblocks, for whatever reason.
I appreciate your take on this. I started when I was 53. I’m 60 now and had a heart attack and some injuries along the way. It’s tough, but I’m part or a great dojo with strong support. I love it! I plan on hanging in there 0:09 till I can’t do it anymore! Taking on a new mindset can do amazing things for your jiu jitsu and for all the other stuff as well!
I heard someone say years ago, tell yourself what you would tell anyone else in your position seeking your advice. I know I'm harder on myself than anyone else can be.
55 year old Brown Belt here….for me no excuses keep grinding I hurt damn near every day. Embrace it and have fun…..it’s about you personally….dont compare yourself to anyone other than you.
Thank you, Chewy! Your videos make me feel better. I strayed at 46. I’m 52. I’m going to train as long as I can. I still have a blast. I have to let go of expectations all the time.
Chewy is a great therapist for the BJJ community!
I’m 21, just beat brain cancer for the 3rd time. I have a scheduled procedure to remove my port from my chest and already have my gym planning for me to return in September. We can’t be stopped 💪🏻
He has a strong weapon to carry him through his black belt promotion. His resilience!! You beat cancer, you can beat anything, special forces selection, prison,… ANYTHING!!
We are All on a trajectory to the grave. Just train. Father Time is undefeated!!!.
Your belt is a measure of YOUR potential not anyone else’s. Wear ur belt proudly bro.
That's a tough one. Cancer is often a 'near death' sentence so unless you've experienced it or have been very close to it, it's hard to understand the agony that it puts one - and family - through. Coming back from that is Herculean in itself.
Age comes for us all!
Train and have fun.
I wish my comrades knew how much I respect them, the old one, the fat one, the frail one, the one that tries so hard even if he doesn't have amazing natural talent, the one that comes back after years and have to wear his belt and get crushed by lower belts... All those inspire me so much and it's a pity that some of them feel that they're not at their place.
Definitely feeling the old man, imposter syndrome as a 6 yr purple belt. I was promoted right before changing gyms and just been feeling less than my rank over the last year. While I've made some strides, every compliment on how much I've improved seems like a backhanded reminder of how much I sucked when i showed up to my new academy. I know this is the wrong mindset. I should only be comparing me to my past self. But there are so many days I'm ready to throw my belt in the garbage.
Chewy is always real. I love that.
Bro you made cancer tap, and you’re still rolling
Do you know how many people wish they could be you?
Also, do you have any idea how powerful that is for the younger guys? Sure you may not be as good as you once were, but going through that and still going has an effect on the community
That is a great point ogredpowell makes. To tap cancer is the ULTIMATE black belt. You keep showing up, help others, train, and enjoy be thankful for every day. Thank you for sharing your story. I found it inspiring. I am "grappling" with health issues now but this going to bring me back to the mats. Be well friend.
I found the best way to check your ego is just admit it openly. I was just drilling with a 25 year old purple belt and he was totally receptive to tips on his technique. When we moved to live rolling the first thing I said “now it’s your turn to teach me a lesson”. He laughed, kicked my ass, and still thanked me for all the help.
My physical memory is still writing checks that my 53-year old body can no longer cash. It’s frustrating and inconvenient.
It’s not a matter of misaligned pride, I don’t feel ashamed of not having that 32 year old body any more. The problem is that parts of my brain hasn’t got the memo yet, and they get me in trouble.
All your videos are insightful, but this one was downright beautiful…
hI ad to put my BJJ dreams on hold for the moment but I keep watching Chew's videos because he's an absolute character, I mean that in the most respectful way too.
Im a 3 stripe brown belt (19+ years training) in my 50's and I refuse to put my 4th stripe on. I don't even care about the black belt. I have brown belt in Judo too, don't care about that black belt either. BJJ is supposed to be fun, like a surf session or a day rock climbing. No performance anxiety when I roll, I'm just trying to enjoy it. People obsess and take BJJ way too seriously. With the fact that steroid abuse is rampant - I had a coach tell me the fastest way to get by black belt is to go on TRT. I laughed in his face. I am going to be the saltiest brown belt on the planet. Every once in awhile I catch a tired black belt and tap them, it reminds the belt means nothing to me. Having fun rolling means something to me.
That's a good attitude, I hope you get both black belts still. It seems worth it when you're that close. But it's true, you've got skills either way.
Also, my pti is in his 70's and has just taken up judo. He's got hip issues from a life of taekwondo, an elbow issue, he has to remind himself of his tkd forms and stuff, but he recognises the changes in his body and works round them. He's active, strong, fit, healthy.
It's a good point about the ego, it can be tough for people who were previously really good at other stuff. I used to box for my country as a teenager, but didn't enjoy it in the end so I stopped. Now I'm older and I'm brand new at something and I get beat all the time. It's important to remember that you're challenging yourself and that not everyone would be capable of putting themselves right at the bottom of something, after they used to be proficient in their own thing.
One of the Gracie channels mentioned the concept of "Boyd Belts" - basically factoring age and size into someone's belt level to find their "real belt level".
I'm in my early 40's and can attest that Boyd Belts are a real thing. I don't have the explosive power that I had in my late 20's/early 30's but I'm definitely stronger (I barbell train these days whereas I didn't lift weights in my youth) and more technical.
Hey chewjitsu i would love a video of you rolling with Bteam.
"Well, no shit, you're not 32 anymore", lol. Same thing I've been told.
I am a 57 years old purple belt and yes, I am having a hard time with the 20 year old athletes that train five to eight times a week or that are physically much stronger and faster. I can live with that and the fact that I can cope with most of the others motivates me to keep going and stay in good shape.
44 soon to be 45 yo BB here-- been training since mid teens. . Blessed to have no major injuries or cancer or anything like that, but many small ones. Have the hindsight to see the arc of my physicality. Its different for everyone, but Ive found for myself, and for most of the athletes in MMA and BJJ I grew up watching and still watch, that ~33 is the top of the arc for most people. Small guy here, been ~140-145lbs most of my adult life, was always one of the fastest on the mat and took pride in that. Without having changed much in my lifestyle/training, 37 is when I really took notice that my speed vs early to mid 20s dudes was not what it used to be in jiu-jitsu. Very odd when it you experience it / see it so clearly.
At 44 now Im still in similar shape as 37, but a bit heavier (155-160). My static strength is probably as good or better than it ever was, my speed and recovery time still passable, but significantly down from peak. Wind is about the same (pacing). If you want to test yourself, try running a full-on sprint for 50-100 meters or so. I noticed the slowdown/pains in full sprints before I noticed it in anywhere else.
I know the feeling. I had to start my Internship a lil' after I had recieved my Brown Belt. There was literally no time for training. When I went back I was so out of shape. I went from training 4 - 5 days a week to 0 days a week for 7 months. That takes a huge toll on you. On top of that I unfortunately developed a lower back hernia which not only took time to heal but I had to go through a significant amount of physicians before they would finally prescribe me some medication.
I’m getting one of those shirts! 🙌🏻
66 year old three stripe blue belt. Started in my forties, then a fifteen year layoff. Restarted at 63. In between, two knee surgeries, shoulder, foot, cancer survivor, yada yada. Not the man I was by a long shot but I WILL make black belt one day. If I can do it then so can you. Good luck!
Im not losing to the kid who works at burger king!
Enjoy the ride.
You should be an advice columnist, everything you’re saying, put in a different context, relates to every day life. Jiu jitsu sets you up to deal with the hardship of life.
Boy I can relate to this. I have Lupus and my case has a ton of joint involvement as well as my bones are calcifying and also some bone marrow issues. The result of this is that I can’t eat much, I have to do meal replacements or I will often throw up. I gas out quick. I can’t regulate my body temp so I’m sweating for hours after class. I’ve been training 2 years and 4 months and just got my blue belt. I was feeling very much like an imposter, until I took the test and I killed it. My judo sweeps and throws were the best I’ve ever done and sparring was on point. I couldn’t do a ton offensively, however I snagged an armbar. But I was proud of myself and I killed it on the test. I now feel like I deserve the belt. 🌀
As I get older, my goals with jiu-jitsu are to always get better at something even if I lose something else, and constantly strive for technique over power. Because I get to keep the technique.
He should watch jits over 50, who is an advocate of not injuring himself whilst still being really good. I just find it reassuring that jits recognises the changes in his body but its still positive. No harking back to the old days, no regrets, just the now and being effective.
Don't stress too much about not being at peak physicality anymore because Father Time always taps everyone. We just need to do our best to continue rolling with him for as long as possible while having as much fun as possible.
I started at age 60, now I'm 65....I don't have a prime in bjj
54 year old purple belt… just can’t think about it.
Nooooooooo u is misspell 'survivor' in thumbnailz
I started this year at 48 after being fairly sedentary for a decade. It's been challenging and rewarding. I get my ass kicked by the "pimple faced teen" twice a week. I love it because it kills any ego I have. I suck. I'm supposed to suck. My professor tells me "It's okay, everyone sucks."
I've always been quite fit and active but I started to notice a big difference after passing 40. Now I'm 42 and anytime I roll a bit harder with an early 20' guy, I wake up with fit fever. Inflammation hits harder now and there's very little you can do. Plus recovery is non existent, if you have to cope with your daily responsabilities (works, kids etc..)
It's fucking sad, but at least I'm not playing tennis or squash.😂
What’s wrong with tennis? One of the most badass sports on the planet.
Father Time waits for no man. Same boat here. Stop complaining brother. At least you're a brown/black. I'm a white/blue. 49 this October.
Why would you tell him he can't get back to that level if you don't even know him?! :D Even if it's true, it's not a good mindset to have. I'd say delay the black belt until you feel like you deserved it.
The person i was never went through all of this stuff. Fucking chewing got me chewin on thoughts again
Egooooo is the problem. It’s about the journey not the destination. For me it’s about the process. Being better than most people that don’t train at all is good enough for me.
Jiujitsu is literally a game, it’s very ritualistic and not like actual warfare or combat. Don’t take it so seriously.
You can still be a good instructor and maybe roll with people who understand what you’ve been through and avoid the meat heads
Just playing devils advocate so by your definition of leaving ones ego at the door then why even have belts? I do no gi and have done so for 5 years and am a white belt because while I have nothing against gi I train nogi and my school promotes based off of gi. So at the end of class we stand in line and you know we stand in order of progression but I couldn't care less. So while we are told to leave our ego at the door why do we have things that point towards ego?
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I don't get the point of asking the question in the first place. Belt system in any martial art has little to do with your fighting ability alone. Else would only give high belts to yougnsters in their 20's above 120 kg (and their belt level would decrease when the get older and weaker ?)
Of course you won't be able to "compete" all your life with younger, stronger opponents. Begining at 40, 50, 60, you'll crumble till you don't represent a threat to any real athlete. So what ? Winning gold medal wasn't the plan anyway. Aquiring some skill was, and mastering the art (whatever it is), building some self esteem, having fun grinding among friends and teaching etc.
Besides, parnter in the gym are opportunities to practice and progress, they're not opponents your supposed to "beat".
How old are you, Chewy? You look like you could be 32.
What is that thumbnail lmaooo
lol at no shit
Try to relax and chill. You had cancer. It's natures way to tell you to slow down.
Too much sparring.
here's my advice just quit.
This answer sounds like the practical Zen buhddism I've been reading about recently. We are all in dynamic, fluid change, ego included.