Is there evidence for Jesus' Resurrection? Matt Dillahunty Vs AskCliffe
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Yes sure the bible is evidence of a 6000 year old flat earth with a dome over it and a magical pixie hiding in clouds because it got smashed by iron chariots!
How about lying in the bed of hatred you have made for yourself and not desperately clinging to the carcass of your channel?
There's a reason cliffe mostly interacts with unprepared college kids
That's very age-ist of you. I've heard some very articulate students go toe to toe with Cliff and make some very good points (which ultimately get dismantled because atheism is bankrupt). But I've also heard some old men argue like children (like that idiot that dared the audience to drink a cup of anti-freeze in that one seminar).
Yes you are correct. There is a very good reason for the selfless conversations he has with the next generation of academics.
It’s a noble goal to help young adults understand that theism, particularly Christianity, is rational. This is in direct opposition to what is being taught in modern higher education in the west.
College (just like public school) has become an indoctrination camp, rather than a place of learning how to think. Thank God for people like Cliffe. Thank God for people like Dillahunty. Thank God for conversations like these two are having.
No cap
@@TEMPESTsonofThunder LOL in what way are colleges indoctrination centres? I went to university and learned about philosophy, chemistry, geology, German literature, economics, etc. In what way have I been brainwashed? It's pretty ironic to think that the colleges are the ones doing the indoctrination, not the street preacher.
@@TEMPESTsonofThunder this is projection. Religions are responsible for massive indoctrination and brainwashing, and fear mongering, and cult behavior. And you try to throw that on to the secular universities and colleges. It's so ironic. Universities teach classes on comparative world religions, whereas churches teach that the one religion is the only correct one. F off with this BS
I hope people who watch this realize why "intellectually dishonest" Cliffe usually only debates kids at colleges and universities...
Yes you are correct. There is a very good reason for the selfless conversations he has with the next generation of academics.
It’s a noble goal to help young adults understand that theism, particularly Christianity, is rational. This is in direct opposition to what is being taught in modern higher education in the west.
College (just like public school) has become an indoctrination camp, rather than a place of learning how to think. Thank God for people like Cliffe. Thank God for people like Dillahunty. Thank God for conversations like these two are having.
lol, college kid’s argrument are literaly the same as matt‘s argrument.
and clife won again
if matt won , we can say that
mongol‘s invasion might not happen
punic war might not happen
julius caesar might not exist
@@ottovonbismarck9323 Did that junkyard of confused rhetoric make sense in your head?
@@ottovonbismarck9323 Watches a video where Cliffe fails to support his arguments while losing his mind. "This guy totally won. Dur hurr!"
@@tmrv2974 if you do not understand what I said, you should ask me instead of insults
please do not be like typical atheist that insulting instead of asking.
😂😂😂 "the evidence for his resurrection is, that he died"
Immaculate logic 😂😂😂
Hahaha
no the evidence for the resurrection is that he died, was placed in a tomb, and came out three days later, and when i say came out, i mean he walked out
@@michaelthompson7906 Prove that any of that actually happened.
@@michaelthompson7906 except that when Romans crucified someone they either left the body to rot or tossed it in a mass grave. Sort like how to believe if someone was born on mars you should check if people have actually traveled to mars
@@partyrock4144 I'm aware that victims of crucifixion were left on the cross, but once they died, as you've said they were either, left to rot, thrown in a ditch for wild animals to eat or buried in a tomb. in Jesus case, his body was requested by joseph of Arimathea a member of the Sanhedrin Jewish council.
Nice to see Cliffe debate an educated adult, rather than preying on children, and be shown to be the person he is, single minded and very very aggressive.
Mount Olympus exists; therefore, “the Greek gods must be real because it is written that they live in Mount Olympus.”
"Is it reasonable to assume gods live on mountains?" "Well, Yahweh stayed on Mount Sinai, so yes". 🤣
This man is disgusting 🤮
@@KasperKatje The Bible also tells us god dwells in thick darkness as well as dwelling in unapproachable light.
@@KasperKatje I hate to break the hearts of pdf file atheists, but men cannot menstruate and they cannot give birth either. Live with it.
@@KasperKatje That was more of an Air B&B
If I was christian I’d be embarrassed by cliff’s dishonest, fallacious, weak af argumentation.
That's the thing, you wouldn't.....
I don't think you would be a Christian in the first place if you understand arguments, dishonesty and fallacies.
@@freddan6fly more closed mindedness from you. So in your mind, *all Christians* lack understanding of: argumentation, intellectual honesty, and logical fallacies? Did I get that right?
Well you are wrong
Well, as a Christian, I don't usually debate atheists, but when I do, I realize that they know WAY MORE about the Bible than I do. 😂
Cliff: “the evidence for Christ is so robust it’s embarrassing”
His evidence: Bible quotes
History backs up that the evidence for Christ is overwhelming - you just need a real history lesson.
The Roman Empire worshipped the sun, Sol Invictus, as did all the ancient empires and dynasties. They had different gods/dieties - such as the god of medicine and magic (Heka in Egypt), god of thunder etc etc. They all worshipped the sun, as they saw it the giver of life - when the sun was near their land, crops would "spring up" (springtime), when over their land (summertime), crops would be plentiful, and they were rewarded with wheat etc for food. They saw the sun as the father of life, the earth as the mother - where "mother nature" comes from.
The Hebrews, from the bloodline of Noah's son, Shem (called Shemites/Semiites - where you get the word anti semite from today) received the word of God, and wrote it down in the Bible. They prophesized that the Messiah would come to earth, and inform people not to worship different gods, but ONE GOD - the GOD ALMIGHTY who created the sun.
When Jesus came to earth, He taught about GOD ALMIGHTY - He fed the 5000 - no need to rely on the sun for food, God would provide for His children; He healed the sick - no need for a different god of medicine, etc.
The followers of Christ saw this to be true. Rome started to lose control.
They threw the followers of Christ - they nicknamed them "Christian" - (where the "religions" all come from) - to the lions to stop the word of Christ being spread. But they could not prevent His word from spreading.
So what did they do? They assigned their gods to "myth," absorbed the teachings of Christ into their sun worship beliefs, mixed them all up, to keep them happy. The Roman Empire became the Holy Roman Empire, and the Roman Catholic Church was founded.
Jesus changed an empire.
People like you should try and learn some history, instead of trying to mock the Bible.
😂😂😂
@@centuzezaim7471 yes, he did also say that on top of all the “for the Bible tells me so” stuff. But none of those are eye witness testimony. If you think a second hand account of a story about magic is sufficient evidence to believe in magic, your standard of evidence sucks.
If you all actually listen to Cliff a lot, there's way more proof just just 66 books in the Bible. What about books on George Washington? Does that make him not real because it's a book and not actual proof? Make it make sense. 🤣🤣🤣
@@InsightfulLibra atheists don’t say it’s not true because it’s in a book. We say there’s not sufficient evidence to believe Jesus was a God because the only thing we have to go on is the story in the Bible. We know George Washington was real because there’s a lot more evidence that he was real. There’s actual eye witness testimony, records, etc. and on top of that, George Washington isn’t a magically being. If we discovered a book written by some anonymous person in 1860 that talks about how George Washington rode a unicorn to mars and that there were 1000 witnesses, no one would believe that story. When it comes to Jesus being a God, all we have is one story that makes a bunch of claims and this should not be convincing for the same reason my made up story about George Washington shouldn’t be convincing. In short, a story cannot be evidence of itself. When Cliff is asked for evidence of Jesus’ resurrection and he just starts quoting from the Bible, that’s like referencing the chamber of secrets to prove that Harry Potter was a real person.
Cliffe just come across as annoyed that someone is pushing back against his unsubstantiated claims
No, he's annoyed that Dilahunty clearly has an empirical double standard. There are a host things dilahunty does not have physical evidence for that he believes. In addition to that the resurrection becomes "less" miraculous so to speak in a universe that started from nothing and that contains conscious life. It is ridiculous to believe this didn't have a personal cause and that this personal cause has never made any attempt to reach out to its creation. Jesus is that person and, we have reliable documentation of his existence, death, and resurrection. It a miracle alright but not the only one that we have observed to take place in this universe. Making it slightly less spectacular and believable. This means we can believe the resurection most likely happened with just written documentation.
All he ever does. Just talks louder and insists he's right.
@@mirandahotspring4019 No, he only speaks louder when Matt talks over him or purposely straw mans him.
@@adaptivelearner6162 Watch his own videos, he's well known for talking over people. He just a ranting clown!
@@adaptivelearner6162 Which is funny because Matt doesn't at any point straw man him.
Cliff agrees that China exists. That corroborates that he was born in China.
Cliff agrees that Australia exists. That corroborates that he was born in Australia.
Cliff agrees that the top of Mount Everest exists. That corroborates that he was born at the top of Mount Everest.
When you speak without a concern for the logical ramifications of the things you say, you're Cliff Knechtle.
@@dirkjensen969I told the police I was born on Mars. Mars exists so that's corroborating evidence that I'm a Martian.
@dirkjensen969 Checking to see if the hospital _exists_ is NOT corroborating someone was born there. You would need DOCUMENTATION that the _actual birth in question_ took place there. Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong.
@@dirkjensen969 It doesnt, documentation would begin the corroboration, before that is just the same as the spiderman analogy.
That is why cliffs argument is clearly in bad faith.
@@dirkjensen969 "I told the police I was born on Mars. Mars exists so that's corroborating evidence that I'm a Martian."
"that's called a bad faith argument. Keep going. Again corroborating evidence isn't proof something happened, that's why it's called corroborating, or supportive."
Why is that a bad faith argument? The entire talking point is miracles. Being born a virgin, walking on water, rising from the dead, ext. So how is using something like i was born on Mars and Mars exists so that's corroborating evidence that I'm a Martian bad faith. But saying someone was born a virgin in Bethlehem and Bethlehem is a real place so that's corroborating evidence it happened, not also a bad faith argument?
@@dirkjensen969 Corroborating evidence is evidence that strengthens or confirms already existing evidence. In courts, it is used to support the testimony of a witness.
I don’t think what you’re claiming qualifies as evidence, let alone corroborating evidence tbh.
It's so sad to see grown ass people not capable of discerning fact from fiction because ✨MAGIC✨....
Cliffe is the perfect example of the religious mind being unable to process simple logical fallacies like places existed, therefore the story must be true. It’s such a simple concept yet he is unable to grasp it, his thinking has been seriously damaged. They need to start from the ground up with Cliffe, have a debate whether places in the bible exist today, therefore the story must be true. When he loses that, then debate “if someone writes 2nd hand events in an old book 50 years later, is that reliable eye witness testimony,”. Then when Cliffe loses that debate, then you can move on to this debate. He does not understand standards of evidence at all.
He knew it. It's just that he had no better arguments than that. It worked when he use d it on other less prepared debaters, like well mannered college kids.
@@koonwong8582 yeh ive watched his street banter, it’s painful
How can it be, that pdf file atheists believe that men can give birth, which is the religious doctrine of atheist religion, and then at the same time, they reject that women can be pregnant for ten years, which is the religious doctrine of islame?
Both claims are blatant lies. So why choose one huge lie over another huge lie?
That's how powerful religious indoctrination is, it turns billions of idiots into complete sheep
@@koonwong8582 Like... when pdf file atheists claim that men can menstruate and give birth while nowhere in history has there been one single case of this being true?
Cliffe is off the rails. Does he not understand how he comes across?
@@dirkjensen969 Certainly not here, but in any case that has nothing to do with Cliffe being a little unhinged.
Does an arguments validity change if the speaker of it is “unhinged”?
If the speaker is completely “hinged”, is their argument always correct?
@@TEMPESTsonofThunder You are right of course, but I'm not sure Cliffe was making an actual argument.
@@dirkjensen969he just requires that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
@@TEMPESTsonofThunder In this case he was unhinged because his arguments were bad and it was making him angry that Matt was so easily poking holes in them.
How frustrating for poor Cliffe - having to debate with someone who sees directly through apologist misdirections!
Why couldn't they get an inexperienced debater for Cliffe to avoid scrutiny with more flair?
Cliffi has no chance against Matt who is far smarter!
Matt understands fallacious reasoning, Cliff doesn't. It's such a monumental difference in the ability to reason it's embarrasing.
Someone’s debating skills or intellect has nothing to to with the substance of the topic tbf
My wife passes unfertilized eggs that are smarter
@@toffeetop0 debating skills and intellect will help you defend your position in the face of a superior debater.
@@barslars6038 but it still has no
Impact on the substance of the topic
Cliffe is a horrible apologist😂
To be fair, he's about on par with all of them I see. It's hard to be an apologist for something that has zero evidence backing it up. It's like being an apologist for the tooth fairy, the only thing you can say is that teeth dissappear from your pillow at night, and ironically that's more evidence than any Christians has to demonstrate the Bible is true.
AskCliffe: "Is there any evidence anyone has travelled to Mars and back?" Actually the same amount of evidence that anyone has actually died and returned from the dead.
@@dirkjensen969"one person"... "somewhere"... "sometime"... because I believe it.
@@dirkjensen969It's anecdotal, which means diddly squat... unless you can provide details like names, then why bother even mentioning it?
It's common knowledge.
@@dirkjensen969Because they buried people before they were actually dead, genius. Are you saying that people other than the lord christ were able to rise from the dead? Isn't that blasphemy? Only the holy spirit has that power. Repent!
@@dirkjensen969 Nope, any person with an understanding of classical history knows the NT is not history. At best is historical fiction.
That is why is not history that cesar was the son of the sun, but It is history that he was an emperor.
Your ignorance of history doesnt give credibility to your fable.
@@dirkjensen969 Nope, that is not what is taught. Unlike your magical fairy.
You really think people cannot know about other people's fables? lol
I really enjoy how your persona has to move further and further away from the real world becasue it cannot defend its own magical fairy.
So refreshing to hear somebody telling this guy to shut up
“Evidence for Christ is so robust, it’s embarrassing”
You’re almost right Cliff. The evidence for Christ and his miracles is so bad it’s embarrassing.
DO more research
@@onlyjoinedtotroll I did. Several years as a Christian, we discussed the various forms of evidence for the claims of Jesus being god. None of the evidence was relevant or substancial enough to determine such a claim was true. More research would be just waste of time. You have evidence?
@@onlyjoinedtotroll Sorry I should rephrase the question. You have any GOOD evidence?
@@elem-sike4161
So you claimed that you was a
Christian in your past! So easily
explain to me EXACTLY what a
Person must do, to become a
True Born Again Christian who
has personally received God's
Holy Spirit inside of their Soul?
EVERY REAL CHRISTIAN CAN
ANSWER THIS QUESTION, OK!
*What or How does a Person*
*become an actual Christian?*
@@-D-I-V-A-the question of what one must do to become a Christian is far less important than if being a Christian is even real and true to begin with!
Matt has a very fine brain. He logs every fallacy, every unwarranted assumption, every false fact, and has the patience to listen very carefully to streams of ranting and rubbish. And then he starts to work through the problems. It was not a "fair" debate. Cliff was completely outclassed, and he knew it when he lost his cool. Cliff dug his own grave.
No he doesn't.
@@thebritishbookworm2649 Good argument bro!
@@thebritishbookworm2649he for sure does. What makes you say he doesn’t? Not a single question or argument brought up by Matt was lacking logically
@@thebritishbookworm2649 point out why you think cliff wasn't outclassed here.
@@thebritishbookworm2649 Adding the word "because" to the end of your sentence and then elaborating on why you believe your sentence is true would help you from being trashed just like Cliff was.
Cliffe hides his ignorance behind his anger
A display of anger is the classic theist response to pushback. It creates the fear that you might get punched out if you don't back off. The bullies way of "winning" an argument.
Once again, Cliff shows why he prefers to talk to vulnerable minds such as students. He can just about hold his own with low hanging fruit but as soon as he goes against someone with actual knowledge, he exposes himself for the utter fool that he is.
He only wins over student by creative cutting techniques modern story telling like TV and YT.
@@freddan6fly Does he even "win"? Like you say, the only winner is the editing. He is an utter clown
Atheist religion has lgbtqwertyP (p stands for pdfilia) at its core and then soaked in communism, which is why atheists literally believe that men can menstruate and give birth, that there's nothing wrong about incest and therefore nothing wrong about necrophilia and cannibalism either, and, that it is _liberating_ for a child to be boned by a grown up adult atheist man.
Because of people like you Cliff, i am 1000% SURE I will never be a Christian again and I am humbly Thank You for that.
God won't force you to be a follower of HIM because He all gave us free will, and we can use that freedom to our own liking. But when the day of Judgement comes, If you want to live a life that's AWAY from GOD, God will grant your wish and make you (AS U WISH) to be separated forever to be away from HIM.
@@jaredbmizo1642 Says your chosen holy book but why should we believe what your chosen holy book says? It's just claims like any other religions holy book.
@@jaredbmizo1642but if you don't follow him then you are going to hell 😂
@jaredbmizo1642 He supposedly knows what choices you'll make your entire life before he forms you in your mom's womb, so how do you have free will again?
Oh that's right, only because he doesn't actually exist. That's the only way free will truly comes about.
Dunce.
@@jaredbmizo1642isn't this the same god that hardened pharaoh's heart? He doesn't seem to give much of a shit about free will when he wants to show off. So no, he doesn't require free will. Stop lying.
Watching cliffe having his feet held to the fire and scream gibberish is both frustrating and entertaining at the same time 😅😂😅😂😅😂
Yeah these are actions of people that know their boat is rapidly sinking and the bucket they are using to bail out the water has a giant hole in the bottom.
Which of these great atheist leaders do you find to be the greatest? _(Mark your answer with X)_
_____ Pol Pot
_____ Joseph Stalin
_____ Mao Zedong
@@AtheistReligionIsCancer so let's start from the top: Pol Pot was a Buddhist...a lot of Buddhists are atheists as part of their religion but it's easy to see why you would want to lump him in as a quick get out attempt. Next Stalin ruled based on his understanding of the orthodox church. Had he not been exposed to it would he have ruled the same way? We will never know but you can clearly see he shaped his rule to that of the church he had been raised by. Finally Mao followed a similar route as Stalin. He was raised by central Chinese religions and attitudes until he gained enough power to make his religion the ruling one. If we are defining atheist as "do not accept the god claim" as your criteria then that's a very very wide vague net that includes a lot of religions. If however you are looking at humanists....none of these come close
@@AtheistReligionIsCancerreal quiet after that response from the other guy? Where’s your rebuttal?
@@fitnessteacher1845 Pol Pot was atheist and radical communist, and this is according to historians. Pdf file atheists lie as always, but no problem abdooool, I am used to it. Stalin was introduced to marxism very early on and he used it through his regime.
I have zero respect for atheists who have zero knowlege of history and use taqqyya worse than muslims.
And the guillible fellow atheists here who read your comment, believe it imediately, never fact check that you're lying. Because it is allowed in atheist religion to lie for the religion.
Just like in islame.
It's amazing that Cliff can totally get there on the Mars comment, but that same logic collapses when he turns it on himself.
@@dirkjensen969are you okay? You are on almost every comment...do you have a life or genuinely enjoy trolling? I'd engage if you made Arguments instead you made fallacy after fallacy.
He saw the path of his own logic and had to edit in realtime lmao, stumbled on his second premise cause it applies to the resurrection as well
@@brandonblevins7870LOL there are no good Christian arguments
@@bms77 I'm painfully aware 🤮
Cliffe realized where his Mars comments were taking him, so he stopped.😂
Cliff hitting that "for the Bible tells me so" super hard in the 8th minute. We need paulogia's glockenspiel.
11:00 Cliffe KNEW he couldn't continue with that thought because it'd put himself in a corner 🤣
Even Matt smirks at it, knowing why he stopped.
Cliff lost it completly. His standard answers did not work in a real conversation. He cant listen, but only burst out his rehearsed text.
We have loads of evidence for resurrection:
- Dawn of the Dead
- Night of the Living Dead
- Resident Evil 1
- Resident Evil 2
- Resident Evil 3
- Resident Evil 4
- Resident Evil 5
- Resident Evil 6
- Zombieland
- Zombieland 2
- Dracula
- Frankenstein
- Young Frankenstein
- The Adams Family
- The Munsters
- Bride of Frankenstein
- Hellraiser
.....
Matrix 1 and E.T
Star Trek.
Superman
Shrek
@@joeygrace2464
Shrek?
Where?
At 11:00 you see Cliffe accidentally refute his entire faith. He says I would check to see if there is any evidence of anyone going to Mars and coming back… as if there is evidence of anyone “going” dead and then coming back like Jesus. Cliffe is simply desperate to not look wrong.
The only " evidence" that cliffy can cite is from the bible. It's like a bad joke.
Cliff the clown
Never ever ever ever did a pair of cowboy boots suit a piece of protoplasm better that's for sure. Scraping money from the atheist wallet is this piece of protoplasms only achievement in life.
An angry clown.
Honestly I’ve never seen Cliffe anywhere else other than click bits on UA-cam or TikTok with all his “wisdom”. Seeing him actually debate someone… wow. This man has the emotional maturity of a nap-deprived toddler.
Every debate i have seen Matt involved in he was running literally . Good to see him sitting for once lol .
Matt literally ran away from a debate because someone stated a biological fact LOL
@@Sm64wii I don’t really gaf what you say Matt did that doesn’t make Cliffe any less of a child. That’s fallacious reasoning.
@@kyle19939 My thoughts exactly.
You should see the debate Matt did with Peterson. Matt makes an absolute fool out of him. Really changed the way I see Peterson now.
I can't believe people like cliff can just rattle off such nonsense without pausing. It's mind boggling
It's the same old BS he spewed over and over again for the last 30 years. He mastered it.
He has spent that long making a lucrative living selling his bullshit to already indoctrinated and gullible kiddies he is actually believing his own bullshit.
@@marcolorenti9637Cliff mostly debates with unprepared college kids who most of the time don’t care.
But when cliff faces a person who is prepared and has a deep knowledge of the subject, there is no way for cliff to win against that lol.
Well Cliffe is certainly coming off like an unhinged whacko lol.
"You want evidence? Ok, it happened because one dead guy heard it did happen"
Nope. It happened because I have heard someone in another country and speaking another language claimed he had a vision after having walked without water and food for a couple of days.
@@freddan6fly I have to agree
There is no ignorance like christian knowledge
There is no arrogance like christian humility
There are no lies like Christian honesty
There is no evil like christian good.
There is no hate, like christian love
There is no shame like christian pride
Cliff thinks his arrogance is a substitute for the truth.
3:23 citing a mathematician and a women he can't remember the meme of as examples of what new testament Bible scholars think. Very compelling
Stuart is saying that people wrote down words, so that means they're true. Just like the Quran and the Bhagavad Gita.
Its the reliability of the words that determines them to be true. If you think scientific evidence is the way most people come to believe something is true you are greatly mistaken.
@@adaptivelearner6162 Most people don't understand the difference between fact and fiction.
@@haywardjeblomey6505 I know which is why some people still believe micro-evolution is possible despite all the evidence against it and, think that Jesus didn't rise from the dead.
@@adaptivelearner6162 Jesus is a fictional character. Probably based on 3-5 real rabbis/cult leaders. Think Hercules.
@@adaptivelearner6162 " I know which is why some people still believe micro-evolution is possible despite all the evidence against it and, think that Jesus didn't rise from the dead." - So you haven't attended school. To deny evolution, you have to deny all of medicine, all of biology and reality. Jesus most likely never existed and did definitely not rise from the dead.
Cliffe is as prepared as a random caller to the Atheist Experience.
It really is annoying when you ask for evidence, and the guy just starts preaching every time
That is the entirety of what Cliffe does, though. He's not actually able to debate anything, which is why he usually targets college freshman.
The bible is based off faith, everyone lives everyday off alot of faith and not evidence when u think about it.
@@seven-in2je Sure. Does that make the Bible true in some way?
@@seven-in2je That doesn’t actually mean anything.
All he has
Cliffe is so fucking dishonest.
not just cliffe this it the mindset of most fundamentalist Christians.
Matt’s correct; Cliff’s evidence support Spider-Man’s existence
There's an abundance of evidence, demon.
No it really doesn't
@@emenz910 Yeah, it does. But that is on cliff, he is not good at debating.
@@emenz910 " No it really doesn't" - Yes really it does. You are just too brainwashed to be able to reason.
@@user-qf8xo1lz3d " it does not but please tell me why you think that" - so you didn't even listen to Cliff. Press play, silly.
I feel bad for anyone that has to interact with Cliffe irl. That must be rough
So my honest question is if these books were written by poor Aramaic speaking eye witnesses, how did they manage to write it in high quality Greek? This is a major sticking point for me.
I think some books were originally in Aramaic
Scribes transcribing their testimonies.
@@TEMPESTsonofThunder Got evidence for this ridiculous claim that goes against scientific consensus. Where is your peer reviewed paper?
@@freddan6flydo I have evidence that illiterate fisherman used scribes to transcribe their testimony like every other person alive at the time did? Are you serious?
Is the scientific method even the correct way to discern such a thing? Certainly not. Your blind faith in scientism has fallen flat on its face again. Not to mention your fallacious argumentum ad populum.
@@freddan6fly argumentum ad populum fallacy.
Scientific paper? Meaning do I have evidence that fits the scientific method to back up my claims? Categorical fallacy.
Want to ask something not fallacious?
Masterclass in dodging, circular logic, appeals to authority, and just all around dishonestly on Cliff’s part
Cliff is incredibly, amusingly dumb
And obnoxious... kinda like most Christians
Seems like the kinda guy that would be heating up iron tongs a few hundred years ago
He is dumb, but more importantly he is completely bought into a ridiculous way of thinking
@@jimmiemcmasters8815 no doubt
exactly
Cliffe getting his butt kicked 😂
Chrstians think making claims is the same as evidence
That’s what the Big Bang theory is
Cliffe didn't even know the gospels are anonymous? Wow. WOW. More ignorance than I could possibly have imagined.
Cliffe really needs to reconsider debating anyone in the future because he is REALLY bad at it. He makes one fallacious argument after another and simply asserts things without evidence and then loses his cool when he gets even the slightest push back. If he has read the Bible, which i doubt he has, he should go back and read Matthew 5:16 which says, "Let you light shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven". If being a believer of Christ makes you behave like he does then I am glad that I am not one.
"Shut up" is such a great debate technique.
When Matt doesn’t get his way, he often becomes petulant.
Haaa..... TWO circle jerkers...
Sometimes it's necessary.
@@TEMPESTsonofThunder
"When Matt doesn’t get his way, he often becomes petulant."
Cultist projection 101
Because that's all he said, right?
Why so insecure?
The Bible is literal hearsay 😂
Prove it.
@@TEMPESTsonofThunder " Prove it." - So you haven't read it.
@dirkjensen969
The invention of the camera is not the arbiter of historical veracity. Do the faked pictures of the "Cottingley fairies " prove fairies are true, but because napoleon existed before the invention of the camera or photography, the battle of Waterloo is just hearsay? Your argument makes no sense at all.
It doesn't actually rise to the level of hearsay. In a hearsay situation John says, "I heard Bob say such and such". I can at least evaluate John's veracity but have no way to judge Bob's. In the gospel situation its quite different. You have an unknown person telling you what he heard from another unknown person about Jesus. That's much less reliable than hearsay. And calling it "eyewitness testimony" is insane.
@@dirkjensen969 Actually there were many historians who identified themselves and described events they were personally familiar with. Julius Caesar being a prime example.
It’s unreal that Cliffe has to be educated on the authorship of the gospels. For a man to be so invested in preaching and debating, and not know the gospels are anonymous is sad.
Faced with facts, This Cliff guy just get upset and rants. Very representative of the god he claims to defend 😂
Scrolling through comments, not listening properly, hearing matt say lesbian sex and now I'm listening again
Is there evidence for Jesus' Resurrection?
Short answer: No.
Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
Thank you.
Honest answer: F**k no.
I wholeheartedly believe in the virgin birth of a child in the dessert, who grew to become a great leader of men and was later killed for his beliefs.
But then the Sequel Trilogy ruined it all for me.
All god has to do is come down and show himself and all the debates and arguments will be over but he won't why?
You assume He hasn’t….
Have you asked God yourself?
Are you capable of asking properly?
Are you capable of seeing God?
@@TEMPESTsonofThunder so I have to meet a certain criteria to meet or see my heavenly father 🤔 my earthly father is just a phone call away weird
He likes watching all of the wars, starvation, and suffering from afar.
@@TEMPESTsonofThunderdo you have any idea how ridiculous this sounds to an outsider? Is the only way to believe in God through this mess of logical fallacies?
She lost her car keys.
Meanwhile, 'god' remains unavailable for comment.
Incorrect.
@@TEMPESTsonofThunderincorrect
@@TEMPESTsonofThunderWhere is he then?
@@TEMPESTsonofThunder Ever tried adult thoughts ?
@@bct8881care to demonstrate one for me?
John didn’t witness Christ’s death. They were all in hiding.
What proof you have. John was there jackass
@@dirkjensen969 who says they were? Just pointing out that if you hold that the gospels are eye witness accounts then why do they account for things they claimed not to witness?
John, Mary (Jesus’ mother), and Mary Mandelene witnessed Christ’s death. Peter and the others were hiding.
@@dirkjensen969 No they dont, they get dismissed as hearsay. The amber heard's trial made that fact that painfully clear.
If you present someone saying something as evidence, you bring that someone, if you cant then it is not evidence.
@@dirkjensen969 Nope, witness testimony is first hand, anyhting else is just hearsay.
If someone hear someone else say somehting, it gets dismissed as hearsat and not taken as evidence.
You clearly dont know how the real world works.
It makes no sense to say that Matthew wrote the book Matthew or that he was an eyewitness. Jesus doesn't even meet Mathew until the ninth chapter of the book. Matthew contains 600 of 661 verses of Mark's gospel. It clearly was written by someone copying Mark and adding/changing some details.
You are projecting your own thoughts and trying to make them factual statements. If similar verses are coming from Matthew and mark that means there is more of consistency to Jesus. That doesn’t not automatically make it not written by Matthew. I don’t see how you draw this conclusion as that conclusion takes faith since you actually don’t know.
@@timetravlin4450 Many of the verses are word for word copying. In GREEK. This has been known by scholars for years. Even Christian scholars.
@@timetravlin4450 What did ThinkitThrough write that was incorrect? Was he wrong about when Matthew meets Jesus or that much of Matthew is a word for word copy of Mark which is considered to be the first written gospel?
@@timetravlin4450although the consensus is that we don't know who wrote Matthew and it is strange an eyewitness would start writing 45 years after the claimed events, we can't rule it out 100% BUT...
Why would an eyewitness copy 70% of someone who wasn't an eyewitness? Wouldn't he have known that copying invalidates any potential claim his gospel is an eyewitness account?
Overall it also looks as if the concept of the resurrection (as proof for Jesus being devine) wasn't fully understood or worked out when Mark was written.
Everything after Mark 16:8 (so no earthly reappearance or eyewitness) is added later and also added to the other gospels.
@@timetravlin4450in a court case if two eyewitnesses tell very similar stories it is collusion. That is actually evidence for the judge to think that the truth it’ll not being told. Two eyewitnesses should have different stories for something to be accurate because they have different points of views.
Cliff gets so wound up when he deals with some one who knows the bible😅
I like to use an “Achilles” comparison rather than Spider-Man. Achilles was written about. There are people who claim he did these amazing things, including being invincible. Archeological evidence says that Troy was a place, Greece and others. None of that means the Achilles we read about was actually invincible or related to a god. Just like Jesus, he probably existed, meaning there was a person named Achilles, or Hercules , or Jesus.
In both cases I don't think the evidence is strong enough to grant belief. In my opinion it all sounds like fictional characters.
Just like people called Peter Parker.
Or Harry Potter.
Look it up 🤨
I'm pretty sure it is accepted by most experts that the gospels were written by unknown authors many after the alleged events occurred.
The moderator really took control.
I wish I was around for the Harry Potter religion in 2000 years.
Magic wand ready......travelus futureium......your welcome.
@@barslars6038 Yer *
I don’t see cliff acting like this when he’s debating ignorant college kids lol he lost the whole debate without the first 5 mins
He actually won because Christ is Risen
@@onlyjoinedtotroll Nah, he lost even if jesus' rised. It is similar to how fallacies work.
@onlyjoinedtotroll
Grow up buddy
Stop wasting your life
@@onlyjoinedtotroll No trace of your friend undead Jesus.
@@marcolorenti9637 do more research and stop listening to kooks online
I've never seen a daillahunty debate where he didn't beat the shit out of the other guy. I had a wet dream where he debated Ben Shapero and Ben started crying
Asscliff is such an angry guy for someone who's got god on his side.
This was not a strong showing by Cliffe.
cLiFfE kNeChTLe is one angry Christian. 😡😡😡
And by the looks of the comments he represents a lot of them as well.
Cliff says 25,000 Jeesus manuscripts exist. Well, over 500 million Harry Potter books have been sold. What does that tell you?
In the nicest civil way where’s the link to the full debate?
Yeah cliffe needs a reality check
AssCliffe got it all backwords! You don’t prove your case by simply disapproving what others brings to the table.
I just heard someone given the opportunity to present their best evidence and all they did was make claims.
Cliffe should stick to bullying college kids
I could have 5k copies of Stephen King’s IT, according to Cliff, does that mean Pennywise is real?
Exactly! 👍 The number of extant copies of a manuscript lends no credence as to the authenticity of its source. The claims of the source still need to be verified for validity, accuracy, and authenticity.
Is the author claiming the book is historical?
You know that’s not even a comparison. Steven king isn’t claiming his books are true . Steven king doesn’t have to risk persecution/ death. The apostles did. The apostles claimed revelation while Steven king is a proclaimed writer/author/movie director.
@@timetravlin4450 They were gullible zealots, and we know people like that ( 9/11 ) will risk everything to please the god in their heads
Their zealotry doesn't add weight to their god beliefs
@@Jk-ow8ny Change it to the book of Mormon then. True?
Cliff: my book, my book says it, so it’s true!
I saw Superman one time. Believe me guys.
Cliff is in the 1st stage of grief.
The level of denial you need to defend Christianity is surprisingly not surprising 🤣
Absurd how almost 2 billion people are still following this religion...
@@xinobiee it’s absurd a minority denies God’s existence, in favor of a relativistic materialism.
@@xinobiee Just like Matt pointed out, Popular doesn't means it's true. Also, almost 90 % of the 2 billion were brainwashed when they were kids, before they were even taught to think for themselves. So I don't find the so called numbers not even close to relevant.
@TEMPESTsonofThunder no evidence. And no, the bible isnt evidence for gods existence, just like the harry potter books arent evidence for magic existing.
@@xinobiee Appeal to popularity fallacy.
Did you know that 1,300,000,000,000,000,000 flies eat poo?
It is very popular, I suggest you also start with that.
Circular reasoning 101...
Jesus himself was sealed in a Tupperware box, and emerged three days later as fresh as the day he went in.
The Spider-Man argument is bad, but Cliffe's rebuttal was worse
Riiiiight....
Because you don't spell JAYSAS-AAAHHH as S.P.I.D.E.R.M.A.N......
Riiiiiight.....
The ethics of the Biblical Jesus: "But for these very enemies, who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence" Luke 19:27
"If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, and wife and children, and and brothers and sisters, yes even his own life, he cannot be my disciple" Luke 14:26
"Do not think that I have come to send peace upon the earth; I have come to bring the sword, not peace"... "I have come to set man at variance with his father, and a daughter with her mother, and a daughter in-law with her mother in-law; and a man's enemies will be those of his own household" Matt 10:34-36
Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
Ok.
Jesus is based.
Luke 19:27 is a snippet of the Parable of the Ten Servants that Jesus told a crowd. He was referring to a king in the parable, not Himself. Missing context.
Luke 14:26 is also missing context. Jesus is describing the literal cost of being His disciple. Leaving your whole way of life, everyone you know and love, in order to follow Him.
The other quoted scriptures lack context as well. Jesus spoke of division between believers and nonbelievers.
It’s easy to take a small part of an entire book out of context for your own purposes.
Can you provide context and the steps you used to exegesis your quotes?
Its funny you take these things out of context in a comment section.
Cliffe is a 🤡
Why’s that’s? Imagine you your self is very absurd
there are sometimes cases reported nowadays of somebody thought to be dead but misdiagnosed, comatose , deep chilled or whatever, and they then wake up. 2000 years ago this would surely have been more common / less rare, with people having poorer skills at determining death. Victims of cruxifiction would have been taken down, with assumption of being dead, after a day or whatever, but surely the possibility of some still being alive, therefore jesus, isn't impossible to consider.
Matthew was written in Greek and like a novel, which is incredibly unlikely if Matthew wrote it, the author copied directly from Mark, which makes it even less likely, and the early church fathers, when they quote Matthew, quote a different book from the one that we now call Matthew. This all makes it fully preposterous to hold that Matthew actually wrote it. Also, the book was written in the third person, no citing of sources, no claim of being an eyewitness...nothing.
“I put no stock in religion. By the word religion, I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of God. I've seen too much religion in the eyes of too many murderers. Holiness is in right action, and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is here [the head] and here [the heart] and what you decide to do every day will make you a good man...or not.”
Nice movie 👍🏽
Much better quote. Sums up the whole problem with religious zealots.
greets ✌🏽
Amen! Jesus would agree with you, as do I. Welcome to the team of the true followers of Christ! You’re on your way to being saved by reasonable faith in Yeshua!
For anyone wondering what movie this is from it’s Kingdom of Heaven. An excellent Ridley Scott film that highlights the hypocrisy of the Roman Catholic Church (particularly the Jesuit and Templar orders) during the Crusades and shows what a true follower of Christ can accomplish against the evils of religion.
@@TEMPESTsonofThunder im not a believer of christ, i just found that quote relevant to the post. i will admit i used to be a follower of jesus christ then i started to question every religion and their credibility, and found none.
@@lechestain2048 good. Jesus taught against the religious of his time. Just because you learn religion is misguided, doesn’t mean you should abandon your relationship with Jesus though. Jesus still loves you, turn back to Him, stay away from religion.
@@TEMPESTsonofThunder how can you have a relationship with somebody youve never met who lived thousands of years ago?
The opponent always has a look of defeat when Matt debunks them. But they continue to defend their bs.
Matt was surprisingly calm here, amazing.
Claims are not evidence, no matter how many times you claim that it is
Cliff sounds desperate
He always starts crying when talking to adults..
Surely a god would use better people to advocate for his existence than this or is it just that there is no god
I have recently realized that Most Christians are not true followers of Jesus Christ. They are following the doctrine of Paul. Therefore apologists are not Christians they are Paulinians.
Never thought cliffe would stoop so low to reference the bible to prove the bible
I did.
You heard Cliffe guys. London existing means Harry Potter is real.
Spiderman is also real, I've been to New York.
@@freddan6fly But were spiderman born in new york though?
@@skagenpige88 Why does that matter? Alleged Jesus wasn't born in Bethlehem, because the alleged shuffling of people in Israel 2000 years ago for tax purpose *OBVIOUSLY* didn't exist.