-Well yeah my men deserted me and my wife killed herself, but at least i have that super hot red witch who could give birth to demons... - Your grace, Lady Melisandre was seen riding out of the camp
@Mysterious Stranger The bolton's only victories was due to plot armor so you can see why i say that their motto should be "our plot armor is sharp" instead of "our blades are sharp"
Oh but why should she stick it out after her stupid decisions have bitten everyone in the ass? All she did was fill Stannis' head with promises of victory at every turn and insist that killing his daughter would be totally worth it, while never once bothering to consider how a group of soldiers with families of their own would react to seeing their would-be king burn his baby girl at the stake. Why oh why should Melisandre ever have to suffer the consequences of her actions?
@@judaihyuga it’s because she never wanted Stannis to win, all she did was for the war against the Night King, she never really cared about stannis’ war. She just manipulated her.
Soldier: "Half your army has deserted" Stannis: *Stays calm* Soldier: "Your wife is dead" Stannis: *Flicker of emotion* Soldier: "The Lady Melisandre had gone" Stannis: "On to Winterfell" Soldier: "But Your Grace, we have less men" Stannis: *Explodes*
There’s something really poetic about all the sellswords deserting after what happened to Shireen. For a bunch of people who would fight and kill just for money and profit all leaving out of disgust rather than fight for somebody who'd allow something so despicable, that's pretty damn noble.
I remember Tyrion had asked Bronn if someone had wanted him to kill an infant would he do it and Bronn’s response was he would ask for how much is he going to be paid for it. Sell swords are all about the money and profit, but there’s a line even they will not cross.
@@retro.raider I always tought the fact he said that to Tyrion above all else, the man who was paying him stupids amount of money for being his killing hand, was to demonstrate that whatever the price was he wouldn't.
Damned right, lots of people including myself thought this was a one off for plot convenience i.e. having characters do things completely out of character and destroying storylines and plots, so we forgave especially since it wrapped up the Baratheons and shifted focus back to the Starks, with Jon taking Stannis' storyline. Now after the finale we can see that this destruction was done to almost every character e.g. Tyrion, Jaime, Jon and Arya to name but a few@@rjofusetsudzin8011
@@guyschellinck5650For starters they contrived her character and gave her uber plot armor for political means, same as Sansa really. Her entire character arc in the last two seasons was to get back to her family, she does and then immediately leaves forever. She gets to Kings Landing to kill Cersei and then leaves having accompolished nothing, why was her character there? It was utterly pointless. All it did was show Drogon destroying the city in which Arya died about 6 times only to miraculously come back. She says to Jon about Dany, 'I know a killer when I see one'. Well no shit, its not like she just committed genocide in front of everyone! Her training with the Faceless men, her mask abilities and all that meant absolutely nothing and is never again mentioned. The mini romance with Gendry was awkward and pure fan service, making it forced and thus bad. Then at the end of it all she sods off from Westeros forever after deciding to go and see what's west of Westeros? Ah yes that thing she's always wanted to do but has never been mentioned, shown or alluded to in the entire series. She goes from a tomboy, to no one, to Arya Stark back to fucking no one again by just abandoning her family and home. It made no sense just like most other characters arcs in Season 8, it was basically thrown out of the story like Jaime's. And I'm not even going to mention the abysmal end of the Night King with Arya teleporting onto his back out of nowhere, that was just ridiculous.
@@ForsakenDreamer7 Cersei should have been killed much sooner. I mean blowing up the sept has not any negative consequence for her. Which is really anoying in the show, what was about actions having consequences (Ned Stark, Red Wedding) Show f*cked up because Dumb and Dumber plot armored the hell out of the Cersei
This was so out of character for Stannis. Writers said they wanted to kill off Stannis so they could focus more on Jon and Daenerys. Stannis should have beaten the Boltons realistically
They nerfed his army. I wish Stannis would've died a more fitting, heroic death. He deserved better. But then again, so did the Blackfish and he died offscreen. The writers are too narrowminded for good story telling and character development
@@O.G.H. Personally I think it would have made for a better story if he'd won, then took over the Bolton role as a villain for Jon to defeat. That way we wouldnt have had the cheesey- clearly good guys vs. obviously bad guys battle which GRRM tends to avoid, also depriving any of the good guys from the satisfaction of being the one who killed Ramsey. And the motivation for Jon being against could have been him wanting to do more human sacrificing, perhaps of Sansa and Rickon or even Danny, for their king's blood. Would have made it all the more ambiguous given Jon and Stannis kinda like each other. Course that's just my take.
@@d-logan5280 As much as nice of a story this could be, I'd hate seeing Stannis as the villain. Stannis fought for the people of this godsforsaken country, and always wanted to do the right thing
@@O.G.H. Hey I love Stannis too, but he is a maniac when it comes to approaching his goals, he sacrificed his own daughter, not to mention the people he had burned alive simply for reverting to worshiping the seven (he also would have had his nephew killed). He's a cool character but he's utterly ruthless if he thinks something needs to be done, including spilling innocent blood, at some point I think that would need to be held against him. Plus even if he was the 'villain' he still could have been written as one easy to see his side and why he's doing it. But like I say, just my take.
@@d-logan5280 Come on huh? He sacrificed his daughter just bc the writers wanted to remove him from the show bc they didn't like him and also didn't know what to do with him as a character. So demonizing him for the audience by letting him burn his daughter without a flinch, even though it has already been established that he loves his daughter and is actually a caring father, is just the dumb and lazy way out to write him off. Stannis deserved better than this.
Ikr? And then Jon exiles her for, you know, burning a child alive, so she's like "Okay... maybe I can talk to Daenerys Targeryen next... she'll probably have more sympathy for burning people."
@@waheedsaeed5978 I dont know but in the books the odds werent in his favor either. Im a solid Mannis fan but the only difference in books situation is he has northern clans wiyh him. He is still outnumbered and outfed by the boltons, though still full of grit. He has ironborn as well. Realistically he will not charge head on with a measly army but beating the boltons will be harder than you think
His rigidity was always Stannis's downfall. Just like the start of the war; he should have worked with Renly (and the Tyrell host, which marched home after the murder) against the common foe, Tywin. Along with Robb Stark's forces they could have won and settled the succession after, amicably. Stannis had no political sense whatsoever, sadly. Here, he should have waited for the return of his fleet, sailed down to White Harbour and marched on Winterfell from there (or over-wintered as you suggest).
Working with Renly is kinda iffy, since it's not unreasonable for him to stand his ground and not bend the knee to his younger brother. But with Robb, I think they could have set aside their differences and at least worked out a temporary truce. They could have taken King's Landing at the Blackwater if Robb had successfully cut off Tywin and kept him from showing up to the battle.
Would have been too late by then. Littlefinger had done his work at Highgarden, and got the Tyrells to re-enter the war on the Lannister side - not a difficult task, as Loris was furious when Renly was killed.
ShanghaiRooster If Stannis had chosen to work with Renly instead Renly wouldn't be dead and the Tyrells will not abandon the Baratheon cause, and Littlefinger would've nothing to work with. He'd probably have better odds going to the Eyrie.
LightningSamus Robb isn't planning to be king though. Not of King's Landing or Westeros anyway. All he wanted was to march south and force Joffrey to hand his father back, then go home. The other Northern houses chose him to be King in the North because they don't want to be ruled by the Southern betrayers anymore. He has no plans to stay in King's Landing and rule the Seven Kingdoms, in any case. He just wants to protect the North.
I like how even though Stannis initially thought he got what he wanted, he was still pissed that he had to kill his daughter. You can tell by the way he brushed Melisandre off when she tried to caress him.
Obviously he is going to be pissed he killed his daughter. Stannis is doing all this because he thinks he has to. He has no happiness or pleasure in life.
D&D completely ruined Stannis. The book version of Stannis is an honorable and fearless man who doesn’t want power....he wants what is rightfully his. In the books Stannis is not fighting for the crown because he wants it....he fights for the crown because it is rightfully his after Robert dies. It’s his birthright. All of Cersei’s children were born of incest. If Stannis stood back and allowed Joffrey or Tommen to become king without any interference from house Baratheon then Stannis would be bringing shame upon himself and upon his house. The book version of Stannis is an amazing character. D&D made Stannis out be a power hungry lunatic. Almost 75% of all the things that Jon Snow did in season 6 was actually supposed to be Stannis doing those things. Instead they killed Stannis of for really no reason whatsoever just so they could give “pretty boy Snow” more and more screen time. In a behind the scenes interview the actor who played Stannis said that the reasons behind Stannis doing what he did in the show was complete bullshit. The actor himself knew that D&D were absolutely ridiculous and had no clue what they were really doing. Stannis was not a crazed lunatic who would continue to Winterfell knowing that he and his remaining men would without a doubt be slaughtered. Instead of the amazing character that Stannis is in the books we ended up with some halfass bullshit that D&D cooked up in a whim and rolled with it. The only thing they did right with Stannis was the actor they chose. The man who played Stannis is a phenomenal actor. It’s a shame they wasted his talent on such a stupid plot.
Yes, you are right, the actors playing Stannis, Tywin and Eddard were all very talented senior actors.. but D&D screwed their story line, they deserved much more compared to what is in the books.
Like George said it’s pretty much two different universes. Also regardless of how they butchered his plot line, I quite liked Stannis. They built him into a complex and interesting character in very little time. Only to be torn down smh.
So you're saying book Stannis doesnt have Melisandre doing all those things? He doesnt burn people alive as sacrifices? He doesnt have a witch as his counselor?
The sad irony is the sacrifice worked. The troops had an easier march to Winterfell. Stannis gave the one thing he truly loved for the realm. He also softened the Boltons troops a little bit as well.
The irony of that sacrifice was that it worked because even though Stannis lost the battle and his life, he was able to get a small, but far-reaching victory when Sansa was able to escape while Ramsay was fighting which led to reuniting with Jon, uniting the houses vs the Boltons, and eventually reclaiming the North. So in the final analysis, Stannis did soften the Boltons.
I hate to say it/give her credit (lol) but in retrospect aside from the sacrifice, Mel was right about her vision of seeing Bolton banners burn...but not from Stannis' siege/battle, it would be Battle of the Bastards, which as others here are saying, Stannis and sacrifice "do" indirectly help. What if that **** was just a coincidence of the weather?? 😅 She still deserved justice instead of just poofing off in S8...
Let's make a quick count. When Stannis is speaking to the Iron Bank, he makes clear he has 4000 fighting men loyal to him on Dragonstone, with only Salador Saahan's navy. He then transports them from Dragonstone to Eastwatch, and then attacks the wildlings under the wall. Bolton scouts then inform that Stannis has 6000 men, half of which are horses. This means that Stannis' bank loan went towards paying Sallador Sahan, and paying for 2000 sellswords. Let's say that out of the men who marched and were starving and freezing to death, Stannis lost 100 (this is us using a high number, since in the books, Stannis marched for roughly 30 days losing 1-7 men a day due to the cold). The Boltons report that Stannis has nearly 6000 men, so let's say Stannis lost 100 more attacking the Wildlings (5800). Now let's do some quick maffs: -Davos tells Stannis that the stormcloaks rode off in the night, which were 500 men. That means there's 1500 sellswords left and 5300 men left. Then meme Bolton raids the camps and hundreds of horses are dead. Let's say 700. Remember, Bolton scouts put Stannis horses as roughly half his forces. So out of 2900 horses, there's only 2200 left. -Stannis then burns Shireen (D and D fanfiction), and Richard Horpe tells Stannis half his men deserted, with all the horses. So Stannis has before this moment, no siege weapons, no food stores, 2200 horses, and 5300 men. If the deserters took all the horses, it would mean he has 0 horses, and if half his men desert him, it would mean he has 2650 men left. When Stannis marches on Winterfell (out of formation, without sending any scouts, again, D and D fanfiction) Stannis looks like he has about 1600 men (someone actually counted all of Stannis' army during the Bolton cavalry charge) and confirms this number. So D and D, ruined Stannis plotline, ruined his story, and ASIDE from that cannot even stay consistent with their OWN writing, their OWN numbers, and their OWN FUCKING PLOTLINE. Anything after episode 5x05 of this show is not canon.
Wow Great write up. So going by that then it wasn't just the Sell Swords who abandoned him, It was over half of his loyalists as well. Christ. Fuck DnD. And btw are we truly going to start believing that the fucking Sellswords grew a conscience and abandoned him because of Shireen? Everything we know about them between the show and books paint Mercs as soulless degenerates who will murder anybody for coin. The Golden Company are the only group written or portrayed as having any semblance of honor etc ( even that is being generous to them)
@@solarwilt9593 exactly. But what angers me the most is where did the show runners put Stannis' extra 1000 men! It's like they said 'okay Stannis still has 2600 men, and they're Dragonstone veterans so they're actually tough as nails. The Bolton's could still lose' 'who cares, just take away 1000 more, no one will notice!' BRAVO D and D
@@carlosalegria4776 They went the same way as his muitneers did. They vanished into thin fucking air.. Chilling in the WolfsWood or some shit. bah who cares our audience is dumb- D and D
My furher......half the men deserted you (Stannis takes his glasses off shakily) Stannis: if anyone think I shouldnt take winterfell please leave the room now
Funny how Melisandre is so quick to kill anyone at all for her God, yet when reality slaps her in the face and her mistakes bite her in the ass her first instinct is to bail out. There's a lot of characters in this show I can sympathize with very easily barring irredeemable douche canoes like Joffrey and Ramsay, but despite anything she does to help, I've never warmed up to Melisandre in the slightest.
That all being said. D&D did ruin the whole series during S7 & S8. Making characters like jon snow,tyrion,dany, jaime, cercie, etc. do the stupidest things that were COMPLETELY out of character and made little sense to the plot/dialogs
To be fair, they're talking about an entire army. If you have 3,000 men who are supposed to be cavalry but they take all but 12 horses, you still effectively have no horses.
A few questions: -Why didn't Mel see the men deserting in her vision? -How come Selyse suddenly gives a shit about Shireen? -If Mel was really supposed to help Jon Snow, why did her God send her to Stannis? All these questions and more will NOT be answered by show's end. Reminds me of Lost, a show very good at raising questions and pretty bad at answering them. And that showrunner was ALSO given the reigns to Star Wars.
Because Mel is full of shit, and she's been manipulating Stannis for 5 seasons. Smh ppl think it's bad writing but the whole thing about Stannis is that his self righteousness blinds him.
@@negativezero8174 Oh, so now Melisandre is supposed to be this master manipulator all of a sudden? That explains why she looks so shocked and nervous when she finds out Stannis is about to be defeated.
@@Lazyboy5298 she was a zealot that truly believe what she does is right and rightfully manipulates Stannis in order to fulfil the whims of the Lord of Light. Things just went awry for the first time for her and that put a crack in her faith.
Abandoned by his men Abandoned by his family Abandoned by his faith But never abandoned by his dignity. Such a poor way to kill off one of the best characters in the series.
@@firstnamett4656 Can you even read? Look at what i replied to. He said stannis never abandoned his dignity. I told him the day he burnt his own daughter was the day he lost his dignity. Nothing about justification. The fact that people nowadays don't read is worrying.
I always noticed how she would always mention she sees the bolton banners, a great battle in the snow, but never stannis' banners. Here she says "ive seen the bolton banners being lowered, youll have whats yours by right." She had no idea she was seeing them being lowered after the battle of the bastards. Stannis' role was to sacrifice his daughter to clear the way of the heavy snow for JON, and to soften up the bolton army. The lord of light doesnt fuck around lol
Soldier 1: "Your Grace....." Stannis: ".....Tell me." Solider 1: "The men....many deserted before dawn. All the Sellswords with all the horses." Stannis: "..." Melisandre: *.....shit....* Soldier 2: "Your Grace." Stannis: "Speak up...Can't be worse than mutiny..." Soldier 2: "It's your wife, Ser....she hung herself..." Stannis: "Wha-..." Soldier 1: "Your Grace...the Lady Melisandra has been seen riding out of camp..." Stannis: "You've got to be kidding me..." Soldier 3: "Ser! Our scouts report a flood on the main road towards Winterfell..." Stannis: "....Are you serious?..." Soldier 2: "Your Grace, the Night's Watch have killed the Lord Commander and are preparing to ride out against you..." Stannis: "Oh for fu-" Soldier 5: "Your Grace! There's a rapid Rabbit killing off our men!" Stannis: "A what?" Soldier 2: "Your Grace! Lord Ramsay is ridding towards us! 300 000 strong!" Stannis: "..." Brienne: "In the name of Renly Barratheon.." Stannis: *ssiiiiggghhs* *starts to rain* Stannis: "Bah!"
"Your grace, Joffrey baratheon is back from the dead." "Waters you nugget." "Your grace! Aerys targaryen is back from the dead!" "Can somebody bring me news that isnt terrible? Literally anybody about anything!"
Soldier: Your grace there are so many bad news, but there is a good news. Stannis: Tell me the bad once first. Soldier: Half of your army deserted you Stannis: What Soldiers: Yes, there's more bad news, some of the Stormlanders are following this Aegon Targaeryn and Jon Connington. Stannis: What the bloody hell. Soldier: Some say that Rhaegar Targaeryn's son is still alive and he is trying to take the Stormland. Stannis: Can it get any worse. Soldiers: Yes the Lannisters and the Tyrells are taking Dragonstone. Stannis: Whaaaaaaat, what the hell is the bloody good news than. Soldier: Oh yes the good news is that I just saved my money on my car insurance by switching to Geico. Stannis: Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Imagine if Stannis had won and then taken Kings landing. Killed Cersi. He aids in the war against the dead but then after..you know Stannis. Hes like alright now bend the knee. Then maybe the last battle for Kings landing couldve been between Stannis and the main cast. Couldve been a cool twist.
"Your Grace, half of our army left because you burned your daughter and now we have less men! I hope you're happy!" "Fewer..." "WHAT THE HELL, MAN...?"
If he didnt burn Shireen the men wouldnt have broken loyalty. That stuff just broke their morale and trust and I kind of understand it from the soldiers perspective.
Half of the true king of Westeros' army leaves, with all the horses, in the middle of the night, and he finds out in the morning? Forget being able to hear the sounds of the clamor, didn't he double the guard after Ser Twenty? D&D weren't man enough to fight stannis in the day so they kept effing him in the night.
This was the first moment when stannis fully realised he is fooled the whole time and he is gona lose. But at point he also realised: He went too far to stop now, win or die dosen't matter, not anymore. the Second was when the boltons ar ride out from winterfell, he understood: he lost, and he gona die, but at point he had nothing to lose anymore, and he faced without fear. For that despite all the atrocities and crimes he commited, i respect him, and i i do understand now why was Davos so loyal to him, despite all the things his king did.
In the show, it clearly seems that Stannis was "fooled". But in the books, it's Stannis that's using Melisandre and her powers, not for his own benefit (as people would want to believe) but for the benefit of the realm. Duty is Stannis. Duty is uniting and saving Westeros from the Others.
Well my good sir. This is the same army who let the House of 20 GoodMen infilitrate and Blow up there rations and shit without anybody noticing squat so yeah. lol
At least it made sense. The army is snowed in, robbed of supplies, the leader publicly burns his own child - obviously the troops (and the sellswords especially) will believe the cause to be lost and desert. And his wife hanging herself after watching her daughter being burnt alive isn't the most unnormal reaction either. And neither is Melisandre realising she may have bet on the wrong horse and leaving. All of it makes perfect sense.
@@AGH331 The reactions themselves are logical, the characters doing them make no sense whatsoever. It doesn't help that the back to back misfortune makes it look like something straight out of a Monty Python sketch.
For real the whole build-up that lead to the battle against the boltons is fucking hilarious. I mean, a lot of planning, a lot of witch mambo jambo, a lot of sacrifices, you even begin to think he's the real deal, then half his men leave, he kills his daughter and then his wife offs herself, it ends up in a quick battle/slaughter of all his men just minutes after arriving, top it all his witch sorcerer disappears mid battle LMAO. Then Stannis survives the battle just to come across with the one Brienne Tarth that was seeking revenge from the start. The whole Stannis plot was like straight from Monthy Python fr
I think Mel misjudged her faith in the Lord of Light: The Lord sure can melt snow, but he couldn't persuade starving sellswords to stay after their employer just burned his daughter alive, or preventing her mother from having a mental breakdown after seeing that. She knows gods, but doesn't know humans.
People say the quality of the show nosedived in Seasons 7 & 8, with OOC actions, unexplained plotlines and simply contradictory plot points and devices, not to mention destroying characters arcs and disregarding what remained of the source material. I say it was pretty obvious after season 5 that D&D had absolutely no clue or understanding of how to write or continue this story so why are they surprised?
@@FlyingFox1994 Because it finally happened to THEIR favorite character. The general audience would prefer a lovey dovey ending to GoT, they never cared about the overall story taking a nosedive.
Yeah guess you're right. Stannis was always one of my favourite characters and my favourite 'king' out of the lot by far but I understand he wasn't for everyone. But seriously how can people be so blind unless it personally offends their favourites and sensibilities? Its like people who claim Dany should have won and been Queen in the end simply because she was a woman and woman are better coz they haven't screwed up any nations or started any wars. Then started crying when she didn't. I was upset too, I don't like Dany as a character or as a ruler but I still felt a sense of loss when they made her character do a complete 180 in half a season to absolute psycho. Similar to the hollow feeling I got in Season 5 with Stannis but apparently 'that's different because he burned his daughter so he deserved it'. Not really caring that their favourite character has burned hundreds of thousands of people. Seriously are people that superficial about it now? I remember when this show had no heroes or villains instead different factions vying for power with, but I suppose that was back when it was good. @@Bakfor
I mean what does he expect. He watches his little girl burn to death screaming and begging him to save her but he didn't do anything. Of course everyone will abandon a monster like that. Even those who remained are like him
The Lord of Light was messing with Stannis the whole time. It seems whoever sacrifices to this 'god' will be betrayed. It is similar to Satan, who is the God of Lies and Deceit. The child was sacrificed for nothing. Stannis lost his wife, lost half his men, lost his friend, lost the witch, and his daughter. And he ignored all of these signs to continue a lost cause. Game of Thrones, I've noticed, actually punishes selfish rulers. The ones who are selfless have more peace and reward.
Melisandre is probably the most evil person in the series. Intentionally manipulating and killing off whole kingdoms in her obsession for power, not caring for anyone. Of every character, however unliked, there was a scene where I could feel good about him/her. Not for Melisandre. Though she eventually died, it's sad we never got the scene where someone finally kills her.
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There’s more, Your Grace, the wifi is down.
by the nine divines! assault assault!
Nah, nah, nah. Ramsay Bolton changed the wifi password. That's even worse.
@@pickleneck526 come now, there is no need to get violent.
But his wifey is up.
@@ninjaviking1999 you elfs are all the same, all flash and no fury!
"Can't be worst than mutiny."
Literally the single time he decides to make a joke.
“Davvos, you’ve just been saved by that fire god you like to mock”
“They don’t have enough man to invade a pantry”
"Fewer" (x2)
^
_Melisandre has left the chat_
brooke guy unsung hero of battle of winter fell
Stannis clicks on her profile.
Sorry but you cannot see that profile right now.
Amadeus Melisandre blocked Stannis!
Because she removed her necklace for a minute to long amd died. Now her account is deactivated lol.
Melisandre started following jon snow ❄️
"Can't be worse than mutiny"
"....well"
-Well yeah my men deserted me and my wife killed herself, but at least i have that super hot red witch who could give birth to demons...
- Your grace, Lady Melisandre was seen riding out of the camp
It wasn't.
Stannis Baratheon and the terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day.
Eyyyy
Wayside school baybeeeee
Wow haven’t heard that in a while old school
Yes stannis is evil
Can’t be worse than Shireen’s
"There's more your grace. The usurpers Benioff and Weiss appear to have killed off your character prematurely".
Comander 'The good news is you won't be there at the end of the show'. Stanis 'How is that good news'. Comander 'Trust me it's good news'
you will never see the book ending q
There is more your grace. Your wallet is gone. We suspect Ser Twenty of House Goodmen
Their banner is a shirtless man....
@Mysterious Stranger No its "Our plot armor is sharp"
@Mysterious Stranger The bolton's only victories was due to plot armor so you can see why i say that their motto should be "our plot armor is sharp" instead of "our blades are sharp"
There's something more your grace, the icee machine at Burger King is down again.
GOD FUCKING DAMN IT
The milk shake machine!!!!!!
You mean McDonalds?
Ahahahaha
@@sidiksurat1878 burger king is leaguers better than McDonald’s
It's crazy how Mel convinced stannis to burn his daughter alive then just dipped off
Oh but why should she stick it out after her stupid decisions have bitten everyone in the ass? All she did was fill Stannis' head with promises of victory at every turn and insist that killing his daughter would be totally worth it, while never once bothering to consider how a group of soldiers with families of their own would react to seeing their would-be king burn his baby girl at the stake. Why oh why should Melisandre ever have to suffer the consequences of her actions?
@@judaihyuga You are an incel
@@chrisdawson1776 because I think Melisandre should have to be accountable for her stupidity? Sure, buddy
@@judaihyuga it’s because she never wanted Stannis to win, all she did was for the war against the Night King, she never really cared about stannis’ war. She just manipulated her.
Meanwhile, Melisandre in season 3: "I will _never_ abandon you!"
Soldier: "Half your army has deserted"
Stannis: *Stays calm*
Soldier: "Your wife is dead"
Stannis: *Flicker of emotion*
Soldier: "The Lady Melisandre had gone"
Stannis: "On to Winterfell"
Soldier: "But Your Grace, we have less men"
Stannis: *Explodes*
*fewer
@@nodinitiative That was the joke idiot
@@GobbleWobble123 Jesus, that's harsh
Sensei Sparky its the internet, get over it
@@GobbleWobble123 *tips fedora*
“All the horses” except that one for Melisandre ..
Right!?!
Maybe she spawn birthed it rofl 😂
There’s something really poetic about all the sellswords deserting after what happened to Shireen. For a bunch of people who would fight and kill just for money and profit all leaving out of disgust rather than fight for somebody who'd allow something so despicable, that's pretty damn noble.
I remember Tyrion had asked Bronn if someone had wanted him to kill an infant would he do it and Bronn’s response was he would ask for how much is he going to be paid for it. Sell swords are all about the money and profit, but there’s a line even they will not cross.
@@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrotherI always thought that Bronn was saying he would do literally anything if the price was right.
@@retro.raider I always tought the fact he said that to Tyrion above all else, the man who was paying him stupids amount of money for being his killing hand, was to demonstrate that whatever the price was he wouldn't.
@@vaarslac6091 its so interesting how one line of dialogue can be interpreted so many different ways. love it
@@retro.raider It's why discussing such a massive piece of litterature is so much fun !
"Are you telling me absolutely everything?"
"Not exactly, Your Grace. We're also out of coffee."
- Stannis freaks -
Epi Endless
Soldier: “Good news: We still have lots of decaf.”
Stannis: “Hang this man.”
Airplane!!!!! 😁👍🏼
when you kill ya kid, than ya wife kills herself, than ya mistress magic priest leaves you, and half of army is deserted - that kinda days
Happens to me all the time. I hate it.
I read that in Davos voice
Definitely a niche Hallmark card.
Well his determination was his downfall, hell he was ready to die at Blackwater bay fighting Lannister archers if his men didn't pull him back.
These are the kind of things a rational person takes to be a clue not to keep going down this direction
The assassination of Stannis Baratheon by the cowards D&D
@Ryan Swaggert no It didn't stannis saved his ill daughter when that illness could have spread and kill the realm
When you hate season 8 remember this is when it all started.
Damned right, lots of people including myself thought this was a one off for plot convenience i.e. having characters do things completely out of character and destroying storylines and plots, so we forgave especially since it wrapped up the Baratheons and shifted focus back to the Starks, with Jon taking Stannis' storyline. Now after the finale we can see that this destruction was done to almost every character e.g. Tyrion, Jaime, Jon and Arya to name but a few@@rjofusetsudzin8011
@@FlyingFox1994 Arya ? In the show, she's the ultimate badass and a fans' favorite, how did they destroy her character?
@@guyschellinck5650For starters they contrived her character and gave her uber plot armor for political means, same as Sansa really. Her entire character arc in the last two seasons was to get back to her family, she does and then immediately leaves forever. She gets to Kings Landing to kill Cersei and then leaves having accompolished nothing, why was her character there? It was utterly pointless. All it did was show Drogon destroying the city in which Arya died about 6 times only to miraculously come back. She says to Jon about Dany, 'I know a killer when I see one'. Well no shit, its not like she just committed genocide in front of everyone! Her training with the Faceless men, her mask abilities and all that meant absolutely nothing and is never again mentioned. The mini romance with Gendry was awkward and pure fan service, making it forced and thus bad. Then at the end of it all she sods off from Westeros forever after deciding to go and see what's west of Westeros? Ah yes that thing she's always wanted to do but has never been mentioned, shown or alluded to in the entire series. She goes from a tomboy, to no one, to Arya Stark back to fucking no one again by just abandoning her family and home. It made no sense just like most other characters arcs in Season 8, it was basically thrown out of the story like Jaime's. And I'm not even going to mention the abysmal end of the Night King with Arya teleporting onto his back out of nowhere, that was just ridiculous.
D&D totally hated the Mannis
They even admit it, this is character assassination. Remember, no burnings, pray harder. That is the real Mannis
@@Riku-zv5dk That and their intelligence and cunning upgrade for Cersei rather than introduce Aegon
@@Sigismund-von-Luxembourg I mean, Cersei needed an upgrade. She is way too dumb. I facepalmed on her every action in the books.
@@ForsakenDreamer7 Cersei should have been killed much sooner. I mean blowing up the sept has not any negative consequence for her. Which is really anoying in the show, what was about actions having consequences (Ned Stark, Red Wedding) Show f*cked up because Dumb and Dumber plot armored the hell out of the Cersei
Its annoying what they did, but his story along with Jon's is basically the only good parts of season 5.
This was so out of character for Stannis. Writers said they wanted to kill off Stannis so they could focus more on Jon and Daenerys. Stannis should have beaten the Boltons realistically
They nerfed his army. I wish Stannis would've died a more fitting, heroic death. He deserved better. But then again, so did the Blackfish and he died offscreen. The writers are too narrowminded for good story telling and character development
@@O.G.H. Personally I think it would have made for a better story if he'd won, then took over the Bolton role as a villain for Jon to defeat. That way we wouldnt have had the cheesey- clearly good guys vs. obviously bad guys battle which GRRM tends to avoid, also depriving any of the good guys from the satisfaction of being the one who killed Ramsey.
And the motivation for Jon being against could have been him wanting to do more human sacrificing, perhaps of Sansa and Rickon or even Danny, for their king's blood. Would have made it all the more ambiguous given Jon and Stannis kinda like each other.
Course that's just my take.
@@d-logan5280 As much as nice of a story this could be, I'd hate seeing Stannis as the villain. Stannis fought for the people of this godsforsaken country, and always wanted to do the right thing
@@O.G.H. Hey I love Stannis too, but he is a maniac when it comes to approaching his goals, he sacrificed his own daughter, not to mention the people he had burned alive simply for reverting to worshiping the seven (he also would have had his nephew killed). He's a cool character but he's utterly ruthless if he thinks something needs to be done, including spilling innocent blood, at some point I think that would need to be held against him.
Plus even if he was the 'villain' he still could have been written as one easy to see his side and why he's doing it.
But like I say, just my take.
@@d-logan5280 Come on huh? He sacrificed his daughter just bc the writers wanted to remove him from the show bc they didn't like him and also didn't know what to do with him as a character. So demonizing him for the audience by letting him burn his daughter without a flinch, even though it has already been established that he loves his daughter and is actually a caring father, is just the dumb and lazy way out to write him off. Stannis deserved better than this.
1:26 Melisande thought, "Well, Stannis didn't work out, time to find the next sucker."
Ikr? And then Jon exiles her for, you know, burning a child alive, so she's like "Okay... maybe I can talk to Daenerys Targeryen next... she'll probably have more sympathy for burning people."
@The Law it was a prank, lord of the light was just fucking with them
@@SoleNero21 then stannis does it and TLOL is like "Holy shit. He actually did it." *slowly backs out of room
Melisandre is ultimate Baratheon killer, if Gendry didn't escape her, she would wipe out an entire family.
well she didn't kill Robert, or roberts other bastards. That was all cersei.
@@mappingshaman5280Yeah Cersei killed more Baratheons than anyone else. Werent there over 20 of Roberts bastards in Kings Landing?
@@Bassetowner123yeah joff killed like all of them 😭
This scene of nonstop blunders was so comical, all that was missing was some laugh tracks
*Cue Seinfeld theme*
D&D really didn't like Stannis, so they made a mockery out of him.
@@DaBoomz13 Stannis should have realistically beaten the Boltons
I actually kinda liked it, everything falling apart for him at once suggests there was definitely divine power at play here.
@@waheedsaeed5978 I dont know but in the books the odds werent in his favor either. Im a solid Mannis fan but the only difference in books situation is he has northern clans wiyh him. He is still outnumbered and outfed by the boltons, though still full of grit. He has ironborn as well. Realistically he will not charge head on with a measly army but beating the boltons will be harder than you think
Your grace : you won the lottery but the ticket vanished
need a version of this with a laugh track
didn't know how much i needed this
She even stole the last horse 😅
I CANTTT AHAHAHHAHA
Soldier: “My Lord, half the men have abandoned you are your wife is dead”
Stannis: “But at least the snow is melting”
Stannis: Yep, that's me. You're probably wondering how I got in this situation, huh? Well it all started...with a fire priestess.
a man without friends is a man without power - Renly Baratheon
I like Stannis, but he should have backed down here or choose a smaller castle to take and winter in
His rigidity was always Stannis's downfall. Just like the start of the war; he should have worked with Renly (and the Tyrell host, which marched home after the murder) against the common foe, Tywin. Along with Robb Stark's forces they could have won and settled the succession after, amicably. Stannis had no political sense whatsoever, sadly.
Here, he should have waited for the return of his fleet, sailed down to White Harbour and marched on Winterfell from there (or over-wintered as you suggest).
Working with Renly is kinda iffy, since it's not unreasonable for him to stand his ground and not bend the knee to his younger brother. But with Robb, I think they could have set aside their differences and at least worked out a temporary truce. They could have taken King's Landing at the Blackwater if Robb had successfully cut off Tywin and kept him from showing up to the battle.
Would have been too late by then. Littlefinger had done his work at Highgarden, and got the Tyrells to re-enter the war on the Lannister side - not a difficult task, as Loris was furious when Renly was killed.
ShanghaiRooster If Stannis had chosen to work with Renly instead Renly wouldn't be dead and the Tyrells will not abandon the Baratheon cause, and Littlefinger would've nothing to work with. He'd probably have better odds going to the Eyrie.
LightningSamus Robb isn't planning to be king though. Not of King's Landing or Westeros anyway. All he wanted was to march south and force Joffrey to hand his father back, then go home. The other Northern houses chose him to be King in the North because they don't want to be ruled by the Southern betrayers anymore. He has no plans to stay in King's Landing and rule the Seven Kingdoms, in any case. He just wants to protect the North.
I like how even though Stannis initially thought he got what he wanted, he was still pissed that he had to kill his daughter. You can tell by the way he brushed Melisandre off when she tried to caress him.
Obviously he is going to be pissed he killed his daughter. Stannis is doing all this because he thinks he has to. He has no happiness or pleasure in life.
D&D completely ruined Stannis. The book version of Stannis is an honorable and fearless man who doesn’t want power....he wants what is rightfully his. In the books Stannis is not fighting for the crown because he wants it....he fights for the crown because it is rightfully his after Robert dies. It’s his birthright. All of Cersei’s children were born of incest. If Stannis stood back and allowed Joffrey or Tommen to become king without any interference from house Baratheon then Stannis would be bringing shame upon himself and upon his house.
The book version of Stannis is an amazing character. D&D made Stannis out be a power hungry lunatic. Almost 75% of all the things that Jon Snow did in season 6 was actually supposed to be Stannis doing those things. Instead they killed Stannis of for really no reason whatsoever just so they could give “pretty boy Snow” more and more screen time.
In a behind the scenes interview the actor who played Stannis said that the reasons behind Stannis doing what he did in the show was complete bullshit. The actor himself knew that D&D were absolutely ridiculous and had no clue what they were really doing. Stannis was not a crazed lunatic who would continue to Winterfell knowing that he and his remaining men would without a doubt be slaughtered.
Instead of the amazing character that Stannis is in the books we ended up with some halfass bullshit that D&D cooked up in a whim and rolled with it. The only thing they did right with Stannis was the actor they chose. The man who played Stannis is a phenomenal actor. It’s a shame they wasted his talent on such a stupid plot.
Magnificent
Yes, you are right, the actors playing Stannis, Tywin and Eddard were all very talented senior actors.. but D&D screwed their story line, they deserved much more compared to what is in the books.
The book isnt the same... the book of harry potter is also not the same as the movie...
Like George said it’s pretty much two different universes. Also regardless of how they butchered his plot line, I quite liked Stannis. They built him into a complex and interesting character in very little time. Only to be torn down smh.
So you're saying book Stannis doesnt have Melisandre doing all those things? He doesnt burn people alive as sacrifices? He doesnt have a witch as his counselor?
I love her face when she realizes that burning innocent children is slightly frowned upon in Westeros
The sad irony is the sacrifice worked.
The troops had an easier march to Winterfell.
Stannis gave the one thing he truly loved for the realm.
He also softened the Boltons troops a little bit as well.
If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
Jean-Paul Sartre
The irony of that sacrifice was that it worked because even though Stannis lost the battle and his life, he was able to get a small, but far-reaching victory when Sansa was able to escape while Ramsay was fighting which led to reuniting with Jon, uniting the houses vs the Boltons, and eventually reclaiming the North.
So in the final analysis, Stannis did soften the Boltons.
I hate to say it/give her credit (lol) but in retrospect aside from the sacrifice, Mel was right about her vision of seeing Bolton banners burn...but not from Stannis' siege/battle, it would be Battle of the Bastards, which as others here are saying, Stannis and sacrifice "do" indirectly help.
What if that **** was just a coincidence of the weather?? 😅 She still deserved justice instead of just poofing off in S8...
If Mel used blood magic to bring Jon Snow back to life (which is ver likely) than she got the power for that through this sacrifice
Of course it worked. But didn't a lot piss off out of it because they were disgusted by what Stannis did.
Let's make a quick count.
When Stannis is speaking to the Iron Bank, he makes clear he has 4000 fighting men loyal to him on Dragonstone, with only Salador Saahan's navy.
He then transports them from Dragonstone to Eastwatch, and then attacks the wildlings under the wall. Bolton scouts then inform that Stannis has 6000 men, half of which are horses. This means that Stannis' bank loan went towards paying Sallador Sahan, and paying for 2000 sellswords.
Let's say that out of the men who marched and were starving and freezing to death, Stannis lost 100 (this is us using a high number, since in the books, Stannis marched for roughly 30 days losing 1-7 men a day due to the cold). The Boltons report that Stannis has nearly 6000 men, so let's say Stannis lost 100 more attacking the Wildlings (5800).
Now let's do some quick maffs:
-Davos tells Stannis that the stormcloaks rode off in the night, which were 500 men. That means there's 1500 sellswords left and 5300 men left. Then meme Bolton raids the camps and hundreds of horses are dead. Let's say 700. Remember, Bolton scouts put Stannis horses as roughly half his forces. So out of 2900 horses, there's only 2200 left.
-Stannis then burns Shireen (D and D fanfiction), and Richard Horpe tells Stannis half his men deserted, with all the horses. So Stannis has before this moment, no siege weapons, no food stores, 2200 horses, and 5300 men. If the deserters took all the horses, it would mean he has 0 horses, and if half his men desert him, it would mean he has 2650 men left.
When Stannis marches on Winterfell (out of formation, without sending any scouts, again, D and D fanfiction) Stannis looks like he has about 1600 men (someone actually counted all of Stannis' army during the Bolton cavalry charge) and confirms this number. So D and D, ruined Stannis plotline, ruined his story, and ASIDE from that cannot even stay consistent with their OWN writing, their OWN numbers, and their OWN FUCKING PLOTLINE. Anything after episode 5x05 of this show is not canon.
Wow Great write up. So going by that then it wasn't just the Sell Swords who abandoned him, It was over half of his loyalists as well. Christ. Fuck DnD. And btw are we truly going to start believing that the fucking Sellswords grew a conscience and abandoned him because of Shireen? Everything we know about them between the show and books paint Mercs as soulless degenerates who will murder anybody for coin. The Golden Company are the only group written or portrayed as having any semblance of honor etc ( even that is being generous to them)
@@solarwilt9593 exactly. But what angers me the most is where did the show runners put Stannis' extra 1000 men! It's like they said 'okay Stannis still has 2600 men, and they're Dragonstone veterans so they're actually tough as nails. The Bolton's could still lose'
'who cares, just take away 1000 more, no one will notice!'
BRAVO D and D
@@carlosalegria4776 They went the same way as his muitneers did. They vanished into thin fucking air.. Chilling in the WolfsWood or some shit. bah who cares our audience is dumb- D and D
Morons theyre gonna put 2500 extras in a scene nor are they gonna cgi that much.
@@carlosalegria4776 bro get a life
"Your Grace, the Lady Melisandre was just seen riding out of camp."
Melisandre - 🙅🏃
My furher......half the men deserted you
(Stannis takes his glasses off shakily)
Stannis: if anyone think I shouldnt take winterfell please leave the room now
Funny how Melisandre is so quick to kill anyone at all for her God, yet when reality slaps her in the face and her mistakes bite her in the ass her first instinct is to bail out. There's a lot of characters in this show I can sympathize with very easily barring irredeemable douche canoes like Joffrey and Ramsay, but despite anything she does to help, I've never warmed up to Melisandre in the slightest.
Ser Twenty Goodmen surely did a number on him
Dumb and Dumber ruin every character they touch
That They Did....... That They Did......
@@anomalyinc3239 oh,its you nice videos dude keep roasting Dumb&Dumber!
Holy shit did D&D butcher Stannis' character. Symbolically and in the end literally.
That all being said. D&D did ruin the whole series during S7 & S8. Making characters like jon snow,tyrion,dany, jaime, cercie, etc. do the stupidest things that were COMPLETELY out of character and made little sense to the plot/dialogs
Ah, yes. The best military commander alive in all of Westeros, brought down by ser Twenty of house Good Men. Classic D&D.
Dude just said the deserters took all the horses. WTF did Melisandre ride away on?
All the battle horses.
Ahahhaha.....
Ha.
Melissandre has her own horse, like King and the rest... But soldiers"s horses were located in the "stables" so :)
Two men in a horse costume.
To be fair, they're talking about an entire army. If you have 3,000 men who are supposed to be cavalry but they take all but 12 horses, you still effectively have no horses.
Melisandre: *trips over a puddle*
"I see light in this puddle. The Lord of Light shows me great victory ahead for the rightful King, Stannis."
Melisandre: we just need to burn someone, any volunteers?
A few questions:
-Why didn't Mel see the men deserting in her vision?
-How come Selyse suddenly gives a shit about Shireen?
-If Mel was really supposed to help Jon Snow, why did her God send her to Stannis?
All these questions and more will NOT be answered by show's end. Reminds me of Lost, a show very good at raising questions and pretty bad at answering them. And that showrunner was ALSO given the reigns to Star Wars.
D&D and their shit writing......
Because she is her mother
Because Mel is full of shit, and she's been manipulating Stannis for 5 seasons.
Smh ppl think it's bad writing but the whole thing about Stannis is that his self righteousness blinds him.
@@negativezero8174 Oh, so now Melisandre is supposed to be this master manipulator all of a sudden?
That explains why she looks so shocked and nervous when she finds out Stannis is about to be defeated.
@@Lazyboy5298 she was a zealot that truly believe what she does is right and rightfully manipulates Stannis in order to fulfil the whims of the Lord of Light.
Things just went awry for the first time for her and that put a crack in her faith.
Abandoned by his men
Abandoned by his family
Abandoned by his faith
But never abandoned by his dignity.
Such a poor way to kill off one of the best characters in the series.
Yeah burning his daughter was full of dignity.
@@samworthy2413 he understood the greater cause
@@firstnamett4656 Can you even read? Look at what i replied to. He said stannis never abandoned his dignity. I told him the day he burnt his own daughter was the day he lost his dignity. Nothing about justification. The fact that people nowadays don't read is worrying.
@@samworthy2413 if its justified then not really.... if it isn't then.....
@@firstnamett4656 you have no dignity if you are willing to kill your own flesh and blood for power.
"The lord has shown me Bolton banners burning"
LMAO
Should've got back to Castle Black.
I always noticed how she would always mention she sees the bolton banners, a great battle in the snow, but never stannis' banners. Here she says "ive seen the bolton banners being lowered, youll have whats yours by right."
She had no idea she was seeing them being lowered after the battle of the bastards. Stannis' role was to sacrifice his daughter to clear the way of the heavy snow for JON, and to soften up the bolton army.
The lord of light doesnt fuck around lol
👀
Nice thinking, but the truth is the writers are just retards
This felt like the book of Job.
Messengers coming one after another with worser news.
And Stannis kept it real until the end and didn't bend.
*Vilified*
Due your overwhelmingly monstrous behaviour, you have been vilified by the community.
He knows this is a suicide mission, and yet he continues marching forward.
He had nothing left to live for.
Soldier 1: "Your Grace....."
Stannis: ".....Tell me."
Solider 1: "The men....many deserted before dawn. All the Sellswords with all the horses."
Stannis: "..."
Melisandre: *.....shit....*
Soldier 2: "Your Grace."
Stannis: "Speak up...Can't be worse than mutiny..."
Soldier 2: "It's your wife, Ser....she hung herself..."
Stannis: "Wha-..."
Soldier 1: "Your Grace...the Lady Melisandra has been seen riding out of camp..."
Stannis: "You've got to be kidding me..."
Soldier 3: "Ser! Our scouts report a flood on the main road towards Winterfell..."
Stannis: "....Are you serious?..."
Soldier 2: "Your Grace, the Night's Watch have killed the Lord Commander and are preparing to ride out against you..."
Stannis: "Oh for fu-"
Soldier 5: "Your Grace! There's a rapid Rabbit killing off our men!"
Stannis: "A what?"
Soldier 2: "Your Grace! Lord Ramsay is ridding towards us! 300 000 strong!"
Stannis: "..."
Brienne: "In the name of Renly Barratheon.."
Stannis: *ssiiiiggghhs*
*starts to rain*
Stannis: "Bah!"
Hahahaha this comment is gold
"Your grace, Joffrey baratheon is back from the dead."
"Waters you nugget."
"Your grace! Aerys targaryen is back from the dead!"
"Can somebody bring me news that isnt terrible? Literally anybody about anything!"
*Random Dog pisses on Stannis' corpse*
Stannis' Ghost: "Seriously?"
Stannis deserved better, he was man of respect
rare for me to agree with a skopyat
I hope you’re talking about the writing because there is no way in hell he didn’t deserve to die after what he did
@@christianaguiare544 Stannis himself wanted to die after what he did. I think that's the only reason he even bothered to march on.
With a few more bad news like that you better start calling him your disgrace XD
I'll see myself out now.
Soldier: Your grace there are so many bad news, but there is a good news.
Stannis: Tell me the bad once first.
Soldier: Half of your army deserted you
Stannis: What
Soldiers: Yes, there's more bad news, some of the Stormlanders are following this Aegon Targaeryn and Jon Connington.
Stannis: What the bloody hell.
Soldier: Some say that Rhaegar Targaeryn's son is still alive and he is trying to take the Stormland.
Stannis: Can it get any worse.
Soldiers: Yes the Lannisters and the Tyrells are taking Dragonstone.
Stannis: Whaaaaaaat, what the hell is the bloody good news than.
Soldier: Oh yes the good news is that I just saved my money on my car insurance by switching to Geico.
Stannis: Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Imagine if Stannis had won and then taken Kings landing. Killed Cersi. He aids in the war against the dead but then after..you know Stannis. Hes like alright now bend the knee. Then maybe the last battle for Kings landing couldve been between Stannis and the main cast. Couldve been a cool twist.
"Your Grace, half of our army left because you burned your daughter and now we have less men! I hope you're happy!"
"Fewer..."
"WHAT THE HELL, MAN...?"
"Oh good. It wasn't worse than mutiny."
what a monday feels like at work when week ends workers fucked up
"Your Grace, there's more. D&D fucked up S8"
You know Stannis was just like "yep it figures"
1:27 - "I see a new vision in the flames. It's me GTFO of here."
If he didnt burn Shireen the men wouldnt have broken loyalty. That stuff just broke their morale and trust and I kind of understand it from the soldiers perspective.
yeah but they all would've died in the snow due to the lack of food and the inability to move
Half of the true king of Westeros' army leaves, with all the horses, in the middle of the night, and he finds out in the morning? Forget being able to hear the sounds of the clamor, didn't he double the guard after Ser Twenty? D&D weren't man enough to fight stannis in the day so they kept effing him in the night.
He burnt his daughter alive, as the religious zealot he is. What did he expect ? Even within GoT Universe, people seem to have some residual ethics !
1:24 when you realize i dun goofed
This was the first moment when stannis fully realised he is fooled the whole time and he is gona lose. But at point he also realised: He went too far to stop now, win or die dosen't matter, not anymore. the Second was when the boltons ar ride out from winterfell, he understood: he lost, and he gona die, but at point he had nothing to lose anymore, and he faced without fear.
For that despite all the atrocities and crimes he commited, i respect him, and i i do understand now why was Davos so loyal to him, despite all the things his king did.
In the show, it clearly seems that Stannis was "fooled". But in the books, it's Stannis that's using Melisandre and her powers, not for his own benefit (as people would want to believe) but for the benefit of the realm. Duty is Stannis. Duty is uniting and saving Westeros from the Others.
How could half the army pick up and leave without the other half hearing it?
Well my good sir. This is the same army who let the House of 20 GoodMen infilitrate and Blow up there rations and shit without anybody noticing squat so yeah. lol
The day he decided to murder he’s daughter “ worst day ever “
stannis baratheon deserved better then a death off screen
At 1:26 we see the Red Woman contemplate in a way a child does when faced with picking a red or blue Icee.
The way this unfolded was simply comical. How anyone could take the storytelling seriously from this point on is beyond me.
At least it made sense. The army is snowed in, robbed of supplies, the leader publicly burns his own child - obviously the troops (and the sellswords especially) will believe the cause to be lost and desert. And his wife hanging herself after watching her daughter being burnt alive isn't the most unnormal reaction either. And neither is Melisandre realising she may have bet on the wrong horse and leaving.
All of it makes perfect sense.
@@AGH331 The reactions themselves are logical, the characters doing them make no sense whatsoever.
It doesn't help that the back to back misfortune makes it look like something straight out of a Monty Python sketch.
Ah, nothing worst than muddy roads after heavy snow, am I right?
Another comment I read in Davos voice lol
How half an army gonna leave and nobody notices? My ass can even sneak out my window without my grandma hollerin "WHO DONE OPENED A WINDOW?"
For real the whole build-up that lead to the battle against the boltons is fucking hilarious.
I mean, a lot of planning, a lot of witch mambo jambo, a lot of sacrifices, you even begin to think he's the real deal, then half his men leave, he kills his daughter and then his wife offs herself, it ends up in a quick battle/slaughter of all his men just minutes after arriving, top it all his witch sorcerer disappears mid battle LMAO. Then Stannis survives the battle just to come across with the one Brienne Tarth that was seeking revenge from the start.
The whole Stannis plot was like straight from Monthy Python fr
0:38 "I hate you almost as much as i hate myself"
If I'd been in his army, I would have deserted as well after he burned his daughter.
Any sane men would
God i love Stannis one of the last real characters to survive the D & D decimation
Still better than my Monday.
Even the sellswords who kill people for a living saw Stannis burn his own daughter and said "Fuck this, we out."
Writers did stannis dirty here
It’s wild that Stannis still decided to go into battle despite all the signs that he should have turned his troops around.
Melisandre knew once the soldiers were gone there was no hope lmao
1:39 ‘Oh f-k, this is gonna be even worse now, isn’t it.’
Another man who tried to conquer a wide, frozen field in the middle of winter, and failed horribly.
"There's more you grace, the season 8 is coming "
The moment he see’s his wife the moment he realized what he did was wrong.
I feel like the old gods did this just to spite stannis. It’s like watching a whelping dog
I think Mel misjudged her faith in the Lord of Light: The Lord sure can melt snow, but he couldn't persuade starving sellswords to stay after their employer just burned his daughter alive, or preventing her mother from having a mental breakdown after seeing that. She knows gods, but doesn't know humans.
When life gives you lemons, you march to Winterfell
- Your Grace!
- The snow is still here?
- No!
- The sellswords left and my wife is dead?
- Yes!
- But the snow is gone.
- Yes
- Ok then.
The idiots destroyed this character.
"Your Grace"
"What the fuck is it now?"
0:07 Every dude who dont thinks Carice van Houten is a smoking hot milf has no idea !
If she wasn’t smoking hot believe me she would not be on TV.
@@Oakland510 Well, thats not everything today. Arya and Brienne for example.
20 good men were clear indicator how "good" writers are. rly bad. Its on par with season 8 bad.
ser twenty of house goodmen also was there at the battle of winterfell against the WW. he threw arya to the NK it all makes sense duh
People say the quality of the show nosedived in Seasons 7 & 8, with OOC actions, unexplained plotlines and simply contradictory plot points and devices, not to mention destroying characters arcs and disregarding what remained of the source material. I say it was pretty obvious after season 5 that D&D had absolutely no clue or understanding of how to write or continue this story so why are they surprised?
@@FlyingFox1994 Because it finally happened to THEIR favorite character. The general audience would prefer a lovey dovey ending to GoT, they never cared about the overall story taking a nosedive.
Yeah guess you're right. Stannis was always one of my favourite characters and my favourite 'king' out of the lot by far but I understand he wasn't for everyone. But seriously how can people be so blind unless it personally offends their favourites and sensibilities? Its like people who claim Dany should have won and been Queen in the end simply because she was a woman and woman are better coz they haven't screwed up any nations or started any wars. Then started crying when she didn't. I was upset too, I don't like Dany as a character or as a ruler but I still felt a sense of loss when they made her character do a complete 180 in half a season to absolute psycho. Similar to the hollow feeling I got in Season 5 with Stannis but apparently 'that's different because he burned his daughter so he deserved it'. Not really caring that their favourite character has burned hundreds of thousands of people. Seriously are people that superficial about it now? I remember when this show had no heroes or villains instead different factions vying for power with, but I suppose that was back when it was good. @@Bakfor
I mean what does he expect. He watches his little girl burn to death screaming and begging him to save her but he didn't do anything. Of course everyone will abandon a monster like that. Even those who remained are like him
I would be apart of half that army that has taken off cuz who the heck would stand behind someone who burns his daughter alive.
The Lord of Light was messing with Stannis the whole time. It seems whoever sacrifices to this 'god' will be betrayed. It is similar to Satan, who is the God of Lies and Deceit. The child was sacrificed for nothing. Stannis lost his wife, lost half his men, lost his friend, lost the witch, and his daughter. And he ignored all of these signs to continue a lost cause. Game of Thrones, I've noticed, actually punishes selfish rulers. The ones who are selfless have more peace and reward.
Melisandre is probably the most evil person in the series. Intentionally manipulating and killing off whole kingdoms in her obsession for power, not caring for anyone. Of every character, however unliked, there was a scene where I could feel good about him/her. Not for Melisandre. Though she eventually died, it's sad we never got the scene where someone finally kills her.
-There is more your grace
+can't be worse than all this
-season 8
I will never forgive the show for what they did to the one true king
İ dont know why but "get the men to marching formation..onto winterfell" always motivates me when i find myself in trouble in my life