Your project turned out great! I always love seeing the way DIY cameras come together. I like how you swapped the mechanical parts from another camera, to put inside your wooden housing. I wouldn't mind seeing a longer version of this video that elaborates on the design decisions, and more details of the build process.
Thank you so much. I would make a longer version with the new project. Disposal camera is easily available, so it might be easily replicated for those who are interested in. Much appreciated.
@@electricburning 기성품을 생각하신다면 디지털 대용으로는 몇 개가 있는거 같더라구요… 저는 아직 필름을 더 써보고 싶어서…. 아니 전자/기계쪽은 문외한 이다 보니 그냥 필름에 만족하며 사용중입니다.. ㅎㅎ 한국어로는 SLR 클럽이라는 곳에 간혹 제작기 만들어 공유하고 있습니다.. 다시 금 친절한 말씀 감사드립니다.
I think I gonna borrow the idea of reusing a cheap plastic camera for winding mechanism in a new case for my own project. Great work! The varnish does wonder for the case! 😊
It is really handy with the winding film. But the film counter, uhm…. I cannot recommend. Although I worked so hard to make it but I’m now more on counting the film number by memory not by the indicator…. 😂
Thanks for the kind words. I do have plan but it is not that much details, so it would not be helpful to others to follow up. I'll try to make a bit more detailed at the next projects. Thank you.
Thanks a lot for the kind words. Yes it was a building process which gives me a joy all the times… I wish to make a something new and assembling existing stuff…. So I love wood and those materials. 😊
@@aaroncre Both! As a new visitor to your channel, the music hooked me and kept me watching, then I realised your beautiful skills. Works really well together! 👌
sorry for the late reply... UA-cam might be bad in arranging and presenting reply at least to me.. Your complement is truly encouraging, in particular music selection based on your artistic sense... someone told me the music was "unbelievably annoying" hahaha...
Is that so? Just wished to share a whole process ins short video. I was asked to elaborate more so it would be my plan to make it a bit longer and explanatory. Thanks
wow ... congrats for this superbe Xpan alternative. Great job and such a nice camera ... And this one vs Xpan will never die ... As we all know Xpan are time bombs .... as cannot be repaired 😞 Well done !
Thank you so much for the kind words. I’m working on another project for the 6 by 10 format which is not common, but it takes time with other daily businesses. Once there is any update, I’ll share it.. Thank you.❤
@@Ibibiogal If you made videos you would know that accurate titles are relevant and hash tags are not- as clearly stated in the instructional text attached prominently to every video upload. It hit your feed because the video is getting attention above what the channel stats would suggest and users are actively discussing and reacting. So looks like that "awful long title" is working just fine-- UA-cam is extending the videos reach. Maybe most importantly, it's happening on very niche content. Which is awesome and highly preferably to "X camera!!! Is it still good, 3 months later?? 🤔🤔🤔 Squarespace!"
that is really helpful. I've encountered some of sexy titles which were not relevant to the content but it worked for attracting views. I might need to find my own way not to be boring (annoying) or not to be too sexy... million thanks for the tips.
props for keeping the scope simple. I've wanted to do something similar but always end up overcomplicating the build and then having to dial back the process.
Excellent craftsmanship! Can you share the method on how the Copal shutter lens was converted to Hasseblad ? Was it V or H ? ( 3D print? Any chance to get the STLs ? Also the focus aspect - were you always focused to infinity?
Thank you for the kind words. Copal shutter is attached to m65 helicoid and the 65mm helicoid also attaches to V mount adapter. 3D printing was not used. Helicoid helps me to focus 50cm to infinity. Thanks
If you have that sense and skill, it would be easier for you to start... Woodwork requires some skills but the most important thing is to prevent any injuries from the wood working machines which are so dangerous. If you do for manual tools, it would be relatively safer. All the best to your another adventure.
this is what I imagined the future of film to be going, but no one has done it. Imagine this could be the way to bring back so many dead cameras, or crossovers like a new Pentax 67/Mamiya RZ
Thank you so much for the kind and encouraging messages.. I would keep doing this, especially for making alternative Xpan which might have any people who would wish to see more variances.. options.
WOW impressive work! Did you have to modify the film winding mechanism of the disposable camera to accommodate the longer frame length? Would love to see a video on those other wooden cameras in your case!
In fact, I thought 2 times winding would work as one time winding would provide at least 24*36mm space. However after the field test I learnt that the 2 times winding resulted in too wide gap between 2 images. Thus I ended up with disabling winding stopper. Now I get to know the proper space with the winder through the trial and error. 😂
It is... hahaha.. Aaron is my catholic name, btw.. In fact, I have 3d and 2d design but as I'm working with wood which requires some degree of freedom in building the process, so it would not be applicable to others. I'm now mulling over sharing the 3d design to the FB group on 3d printing but it is obviously it is not printable but just try to provide hints to others. Thanks for the interest.
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That's incredibly clever. I was worried you were going to have film flatness issues but looked to work out very well. I too have always wanted an Xpan but can't justify the prices.
That is true. That is why I ended up with having 3 xpan alternatives... this trial is more successful than before... In order to have an even and same distance through whole film plane which is so important, I need to calibrate the distance by measuring the distance with a micro meter... I do believe each corner has the same distance.
Can you link the mount and lens. How did you figure out the flange distance. I see you use a ground plane for focus, were you able to hit infinity? Great video BTW!
lens is Rodenstock Apo-Grandagon 45mm f4.5.. I added a helical which can be easily found at the eBay.. for the mount, it is M65 to Hassel v system which can found at the following link: www.ebay.com/itm/142377104365 for the calibrating focus... ground glass is just part of it. it is also required another step by using a micrometer and and another camera.
@@zacharyrivera5418 That is how I can celebrate the focus. To set the infinity of the focus, another camera would tell you where is the infinity focus. Once it is set, it is need to measure the distance by using any measurement tool. I use micrometer which then will be used to measure corner to corner for ensuring same distance from the flange.
Thanks a lot. In my Facebook, I shared a bit more info but it might be more or less same thing. I’ll put more information at the next video. Thank you.
Hi, your project is super cool! I have just a question: is the shutter inherited by the compact camera you show in the beginnig? So it is not possible to change the shutter time, is it?
Damn sorry on this. It was not elaborative on the lens that I’ve built with. The shutter speed, aperture, shutter release, and those things are done in a lens which is the same with a large film photography does. The disposal camera gave film compartment and film advancing part only. Hope you might have a better understanding.
Nowadays almost everything including fire guns can be 3d-printed, so why not… I attempted to print film holders of 120 film but I was not happy with the quality of the print. So I always ended up with wood, carbon fiber or acrylic.😅
What lens mount did you use? A Mamiya Press or Bronica bayonet mount? Also, you didn’t seem to have issues with achieving infinity focus. Is that because of the 45mm focal length? I assume a longer focal length would require a greater film to flange distance
@@Jim-BobWalton It is a combination of lens mount but it is mainly Hasselblad V system mount and in case there is no film inside (for storage purposes), I can detach the lens and store them in a compact way…. Yes right the longer focal length lens has longer flange focal distance so the length of the tip of the lens to the body would be longer…
Absolutely incredible work, I was smiling through half of the video because it's so cool!! Any chance you plan on making a medium format camera? I always thought that that shouldn't be to hard, since you could use the magazine/film back from another camera but I have little to no experience with building my own cameras haha. There are these Single Lens Reflex medium format cameras, like Pilot 6/ Pilot Super, which use a mirror that you have to manually fold up before pushing the shutter button and if I where to build a camera, I think, I'd try to make one of those. Anyway, keep up the good work, excited to see you next project!!
Thanks a lot for the kind and encouraging words. In fact my most of built-ever cameras were medium format except those 3 Xpan alternatives (yes it was my 3rd time making Xpan alternative). Medium formation is much easier as film winding is straight forward as I just drill a small hole at the back to see the no. of shot. Foldable camera was not my list, but it would be an idea to make a compact size to carry the camera. Thanks once again for the kind words. You might see some of my previous works at my Facebook page (@woodcamera.master). Thanks.
@@aaroncre Ahhh I see, thats so cool!!! Sadly I don't have Facebook and it doesn't let me view your posts without logging in, so I cant see them :( which is a pity, I'd really love to see your other work!! But if you ever make an instagram account, I'd definitely follow you, it'd be awesome to see your cameras and the pictures you take with them!! And yes, I thought so, 35mm seems like a pain to figure out how much to advance the film etc. Did you use the advance mechanism of a disposable camera for your camera and then just measured out how often you have to turn the wheel? Also after I wrote my comment I did a little research and I stumbled upon the "Primarflex", which is more or less exactly how I envisioned my DIY Camera (minus the attachable film back). Are your Medium format cameras similiar or are they all rangefinders?
Hope it would work.. please note that this is just for a housing to affix Hassel v mount system. www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/hpont79t9gwxgfra34lb9/Agnes-Pan-design-free.stl?rlkey=6tf6mgeo7ag91vobgc875hlhe&dl=0
Very impressive project!!! Looks absolute fancy!! 😮😮😮 I'm just wondering how the forward mechanism works, shouldn't it snap into place at 36mm? How did you bridge it? That you can scroll two images forwards for one panoramashot? Greetz, Saartekk 😉✌️
Thanks for the question and sorry for the delay in responding to your query. Concerning the film advancing, I use a film wider from the parts of a disposal camera. I practiced how many times, I need to wind with the plastic gear knob, and I happen to know that at the beginning of the film it takes 7 times winding but from the middle of the roll (let’s say image cut no. 5 to 6) it needs 6 times to wind up.. Hard to explain in writing. Hope you could get what I wished to say.
@@aaroncre Hey, thanxx for your answer, I think I have an idea what you want to say... You used the winding mechanism from a disposable camera and figured out in trial'n errormode how much turns you need... 😉😁
How did you find a lens that would cover image circle big enough, but can focus at such short flange distance? I would guess that any large format lens require longer flange distance, even if it is wide-angle lens. I thought once about making my own camera in similar format as you did, but I never really got past the problem of finding lens that would keep the resulting camera compact.
Hi there.. in fact some of short focal length lens has short focal flange distance. You may find vintage data from Schneider or Rodenstock lens specification. For the case of Rodenstock Apo-Grandagon is 55.5mm as you can see in the following link. Hope it can help and all the best to your works. www.prograf.ru/rodenstock/largeformat_en.html
Fantastic work! One question - could you recommend where to buy an optical finder for 6x17 camera with 90mm super angulon? I somehow cannot find reasonably priced one.
Hi.. I would suggest you to find Fotoman from the ebay for customizing view finder depending on the format and focal length. It was about less than 200 bucks which might be reasonable price compare to other stuff... www.ebay.com/itm/403889816911
That is a catch. I thought the disposable camera would provide a solution, but the gap between the two cuts are so wide, now I get to know through trial and error. At the beginning I need to wind 7-8 times (full) and starting from the middle of the film I need to wind up 6-7 times.. the film counter is not so helpful in that sense.
Thanks for the query.. I missed the parts in making the video... sorry for that. I'm using a Rodenstock Apo-Grandagon 45mm f4.5 lens which is a large format lens together with helical focuser. The lens mount is combination of Hassel V mount which connects with m62 helicoid. Helical focuser is being used with manual distance marking which enables me to focus from infinity to 0.5m or even closer, but I haven't tried less than 0.5m. Hope this answers to your questions. Thank you.
As you may know angle of view equivalent to the 135mm camera, it would be easy. Depending on your budget, there are many options other there in eBay, Amazon, etc. All the best to your works and please share it.
I was thinking of tackling a similar project…..are you using a shutter from a medium format camera because wouldn’t you need something with a larger gate than a standard 35mm? Also if you are using the film advance from the Kodak M35, how are you dealing with the spacing of each frame since you are using 2 at a time?
Yes I did a calculation... At first, there is a data sheet from the company (Rodenstock) on flange focal distance then actual distance should be measured by the ground glass and another camera required for setting up an infinity.
@@SonnyBurnett2012 haha.. it might be a challenging but, but always there is an answer... give it a try... :) To make it work, you might need a mechanical shutter to control shutter speed and aperture with the 42X zoom lenses
focus calibration has been done in two ways.. 1. through a ground glass.. as you may see, I cut a small piece of ground glass to measure the rough distance to trim down the film plane.. then 2. through another camera to check the infinite focus..... in order to have even and same distance, I also need a mico meter to measure each and every corner. It is not necessarily a large format to have a long flange back distance... it depends on focal lengths, and you might find that information from the vendors and any other source from the Internet easily.
I’d ve extremely interested in making a diy similar to this one, would you care to tell what helicoid adapter and moint you were using :)? Official ones are ridiculously expensive…
@@aaroncre that's what I meant. 120 medium format. You sparked a camera building interest. Seeing you dont have to be a rocket scientist. I Also considered lens modifications like buying one of those fish eye door peepers that you see in hotels and modifying it to work on lenses like the disposable camera lens mod for regular cameras.
Not yet @klofisch... I might run a workshop sometime later (after my retirement, but don't know when). This is my family talk over the exact time for the retirement... haha.
Yeah.. in fact I don't know what happened there.. It was okay when I edit the video but once I render and upload the video, I found the gap between the letter T and e... :) Thanks for that..
It might not be too complicated to say all details. When it comes to making a camera, the essentials should be two folds. One for sealing light tight and the other one is calibrated a focus. One addition I made at this project was to take some parts from a disposal camera in particular film advancing parts and a film chamber for the opposite part of take-up spool.
@@kierancarter3693 Yes it is… but please note that the design is not printable… I use it only for design purposes by using 123D designing program. As I’m now traveling until 26th July, I might update you once I go back home..
@@kierancarter3693the 3d design was used just for a reference with the same dimensions. However there are some alterations once I made with woods, so Cnc works might also require it. for your information.
@@kierancarter3693 would you mind to share me with your email address? It might be better to share it through email rather than posting it on the web. Thanks.
Thanks for the compliment. "How you shoot" says many things to me... I always enjoy the moment in taking photos and the outcome is just an outcome... It doesn't matter the photos are of my taste or not. Once I enjoy the moment in framing and releasing the shutter, I'm happy with those.. :)
two ways.... a grandglass as a rough measurement of flange back then micro gauge from the flange to the film plane... this is what I usually do the focus calibration.
This is one of the coolest projects this year.
Thank you so much. Pondering next project!!! :)
Your project turned out great! I always love seeing the way DIY cameras come together. I like how you swapped the mechanical parts from another camera, to put inside your wooden housing. I wouldn't mind seeing a longer version of this video that elaborates on the design decisions, and more details of the build process.
Thank you so much. I would make a longer version with the new project. Disposal camera is easily available, so it might be easily replicated for those who are interested in. Much appreciated.
@@aaroncre115
@@arthurdent8091 thanks a lot~!
Thank you for putting ideas in my head.
That is great to hear.. All the best to your works.
was glad to see korean written paper when you glued the woods😊
by the way excellent job onthe camera!!!
Haha…. As I’m a Korean and the plastic folder was given my previous company… 😅 thank you!
@@aaroncre아이고 선생님 외국에 계시고 채널명도 영어라 생각치도 못했네요😅
작품 멋있네요! 저는 디지털 xpan을 만들어보고 싶네요ㅎㅎ
@@electricburning 기성품을 생각하신다면 디지털 대용으로는 몇 개가 있는거 같더라구요… 저는 아직 필름을 더 써보고 싶어서…. 아니 전자/기계쪽은 문외한 이다 보니 그냥 필름에 만족하며 사용중입니다.. ㅎㅎ 한국어로는 SLR 클럽이라는 곳에 간혹 제작기 만들어 공유하고 있습니다.. 다시 금 친절한 말씀 감사드립니다.
I think I gonna borrow the idea of reusing a cheap plastic camera for winding mechanism in a new case for my own project.
Great work! The varnish does wonder for the case! 😊
It is really handy with the winding film. But the film counter, uhm…. I cannot recommend. Although I worked so hard to make it but I’m now more on counting the film number by memory not by the indicator…. 😂
This is a really cool build, i'd love to see an in depth video or buy a plan so I can do something similar.
Thanks for the kind words. I do have plan but it is not that much details, so it would not be helpful to others to follow up. I'll try to make a bit more detailed at the next projects. Thank you.
Had to stop half way through to say "fantastic!" because you are actually making a camera vs assembling a 3d printed camera.
Thanks a lot for the kind words. Yes it was a building process which gives me a joy all the times… I wish to make a something new and assembling existing stuff…. So I love wood and those materials. 😊
Cool music, beautiful creation. 👍
Many thanks. I've got compliments over music than the craft skill.. hahaha..
@@aaroncre Both! As a new visitor to your channel, the music hooked me and kept me watching, then I realised your beautiful skills. Works really well together! 👌
@@aaroncre (+ I'm a musician 😉). Amazing craftsmanship and attention to detail. Thank you for sharing your passion.
sorry for the late reply... UA-cam might be bad in arranging and presenting reply at least to me.. Your complement is truly encouraging, in particular music selection based on your artistic sense... someone told me the music was "unbelievably annoying" hahaha...
Congrats this is really impressive! The only bad thing is that you made it seem to be easy project! Really well done
Is that so? Just wished to share a whole process ins short video. I was asked to elaborate more so it would be my plan to make it a bit longer and explanatory. Thanks
The INSANITY of this project!!! i love it. Making a camera like this is only for the braves!
Thanks a lot... It was joyful as well.. you might give it a try!
wow ... congrats for this superbe Xpan alternative. Great job and such a nice camera ...
And this one vs Xpan will never die ... As we all know Xpan are time bombs .... as cannot be repaired 😞
Well done !
Xpan is super expensive... so I ended up with my own alternative. This is my first pick whenever I travel.. Thanks for the kind words.
WOW this is too good, I appreciate your the love for photography.
thanks a lot sir... much appreciated. I do love photography and cameras :)
Impressive work indeed!
thank you so much.
This is genuinleyt the coolest photography related project I've ever seen. Genuinel yin love with it, wonderful job!
Thank you so much for the kind words. I’m working on another project for the 6 by 10 format which is not common, but it takes time with other daily businesses. Once there is any update, I’ll share it.. Thank you.❤
Great camera!
Now I wanna build my own.
Well done that man! 👍👍👍👍
Thanks a lot!!! :)
Kudos! I have a Fuji TX-1 (which I love), but I’d prefer the agnes-pan! Beautiful.
thanks a lot... TX-1 is also lovely... and functional...
Damn. I wish I was handy. Meaning I wish I was able to build and craft things lol this was amazing to watch.
Good to hear that you liked this. Will work on a new project to build 617 format camera and I’ll share more details at the next video. Thank you.
when is coming on Kickstarter?
haha.. hope it to be someday.. :)
Thank you for the inspiration, I may try to do something like this myself.
Give it a try… it is so rewarding… This camera is always with me whenever I travel these days… 😊
une réalisation fantastique !
That's the best thing I have seen for a long time long time
Thanks a lot for the kind words. Hope you could start building yours soon.. :)
Oh my god, this is so cool!! I wish I could make something like this!!
give it a try.. it is truly rewarding. I've enjoyed it so much. I usually carry this whenever I travel.
Amazing. Kudos. Criminally underrated video! It's so cool that the algorithms can't even understand it.
so I go for analogue... :) Thanks
@@Ibibiogal haha.. is that so awful? I'm a newbie to the UA-cam so it might be a learning process..
@@Ibibiogal If you made videos you would know that accurate titles are relevant and hash tags are not- as clearly stated in the instructional text attached prominently to every video upload. It hit your feed because the video is getting attention above what the channel stats would suggest and users are actively discussing and reacting. So looks like that "awful long title" is working just fine-- UA-cam is extending the videos reach.
Maybe most importantly, it's happening on very niche content. Which is awesome and highly preferably to "X camera!!! Is it still good, 3 months later?? 🤔🤔🤔 Squarespace!"
that is really helpful. I've encountered some of sexy titles which were not relevant to the content but it worked for attracting views. I might need to find my own way not to be boring (annoying) or not to be too sexy... million thanks for the tips.
Amazing project, congratulations!
Thank you so much... good to hear that you are others provide me a compliment.
That choice of Music !!!
Brilliant ideea and great execution! 👍
Thank s a lot ❤
superb! one day i will recreate this
Felling great… as I may inspire you. Give it a try….and share with me and others of your masterpieces.
Very nice work!
I like it.
Thank you! Cheers!
Very nice job and a beautiful looking camera. Looks nicer than the Hasselblad/Fujifilm panorama camera. All mechanical also which is a real plus.
Mechanically Xpan or TX would be better to be frank... but I would say mine is also beautiful in terms of looking.. haha.. thanks for the kind words.
props for keeping the scope simple. I've wanted to do something similar but always end up overcomplicating the build and then having to dial back the process.
agree... it is sometimes over complicated.. this time the disposal camera helped me a lot in film winding and film chamber..
Such a great work from your passionate!! enjoyed your creativity a lot, many thanks for sharing Aaron!! cheers!!
Thanks a lot John.. I'm also following your UA-cam channel with interest... I wish to purchase SWC HassyPB soon. :)
This is Aaron with the different account. Thanks John.
Really love the idea!
good to hear that. Thanks a lot
Work of Art!!!
thanks a lot :)
Brilliant job, subbed
Thanks for the sub! much appreciated.
Impressive 😃
thank you so much
Excellent craftsmanship! Can you share the method on how the Copal shutter lens was converted to Hasseblad ? Was it V or H ? ( 3D print? Any chance to get the STLs ? Also the focus aspect - were you always focused to infinity?
Thank you for the kind words. Copal shutter is attached to m65 helicoid and the 65mm helicoid also attaches to V mount adapter. 3D printing was not used. Helicoid helps me to focus 50cm to infinity. Thanks
Fantastic job 👌
absolutely amazing
Thank you so much... :)
Beautiful work!
Thank you so much 😀
This is brilliant. Thanks for sharing !
Glad you enjoyed it! much appreciated for the kind words
Beautiful! I need to learn some woodwork skills, I'm currently building a 4x5 camera out of foamcore board and the lens from a Kodak Autographic 3A.
If you have that sense and skill, it would be easier for you to start... Woodwork requires some skills but the most important thing is to prevent any injuries from the wood working machines which are so dangerous. If you do for manual tools, it would be relatively safer. All the best to your another adventure.
this is what I imagined the future of film to be going, but no one has done it. Imagine this could be the way to bring back so many dead cameras, or crossovers like a new Pentax 67/Mamiya RZ
Thank you so much for the kind and encouraging messages.. I would keep doing this, especially for making alternative Xpan which might have any people who would wish to see more variances.. options.
Nicely Done!
🤟
incredible!
WOW impressive work!
Did you have to modify the film winding mechanism of the disposable camera to accommodate the longer frame length?
Would love to see a video on those other wooden cameras in your case!
In fact, I thought 2 times winding would work as one time winding would provide at least 24*36mm space. However after the field test I learnt that the 2 times winding resulted in too wide gap between 2 images. Thus I ended up with disabling winding stopper. Now I get to know the proper space with the winder through the trial and error. 😂
Oh wow. This is a dreamy camera! Any chance you will sell plans for it? Would love to build my own!
Also, my name's Aaron too. 😂 It must be a sign.
It is... hahaha.. Aaron is my catholic name, btw.. In fact, I have 3d and 2d design but as I'm working with wood which requires some degree of freedom in building the process, so it would not be applicable to others. I'm now mulling over sharing the 3d design to the FB group on 3d printing but it is obviously it is not printable but just try to provide hints to others. Thanks for the interest.
@@aaroncre Any sort of plans would be great I think. 👍
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wow , i have an xpan but i love this too , amazing
I don't have xpan.. that is why....haha.. thanks for the kind words.
@@aaroncre you built something amazing and unique .
that is a great compliment. I'll keep doing this. :)
Wood work will always be more satisfying than 3d printing
I do agree more than 100 per cent.. haha.. 😅 Wood is always awesome. But tolerance against moisture is a catch. 😅
That's incredibly clever. I was worried you were going to have film flatness issues but looked to work out very well.
I too have always wanted an Xpan but can't justify the prices.
This would cost you more than an Xpan.
That is true. That is why I ended up with having 3 xpan alternatives... this trial is more successful than before...
In order to have an even and same distance through whole film plane which is so important, I need to calibrate the distance by measuring the distance with a micro meter... I do believe each corner has the same distance.
@@chumleyk haha.. thank you so much. I haven't though about the price... but in case I make this for others I would make an offer lower than Xpan.. :)
impressive!
Can you link the mount and lens.
How did you figure out the flange distance. I see you use a ground plane for focus, were you able to hit infinity?
Great video BTW!
lens is Rodenstock Apo-Grandagon 45mm f4.5.. I added a helical which can be easily found at the eBay.. for the mount, it is M65 to Hassel v system which can found at the following link:
www.ebay.com/itm/142377104365
for the calibrating focus... ground glass is just part of it. it is also required another step by using a micrometer and and another camera.
@@aaroncrehey, would you mind explaining why you’d need a micrometer and another camera?
@@zacharyrivera5418 That is how I can celebrate the focus. To set the infinity of the focus, another camera would tell you where is the infinity focus. Once it is set, it is need to measure the distance by using any measurement tool. I use micrometer which then will be used to measure corner to corner for ensuring same distance from the flange.
It is a good project, I would like to have more information
Thanks a lot. In my Facebook, I shared a bit more info but it might be more or less same thing. I’ll put more information at the next video. Thank you.
Great job! How do you focus with this camera?
It is a point and shot camera. There is no rf function nor mirror inside... :)
Hi, your project is super cool! I have just a question: is the shutter inherited by the compact camera you show in the beginnig? So it is not possible to change the shutter time, is it?
Damn sorry on this. It was not elaborative on the lens that I’ve built with. The shutter speed, aperture, shutter release, and those things are done in a lens which is the same with a large film photography does. The disposal camera gave film compartment and film advancing part only. Hope you might have a better understanding.
@@aaroncre Ah ok, got it, thank you! :D
Yea, why not , lovely
Thanks. you might give it a try as well.
Very nice work sir. I wonder if this could be 3D printed 🤔
Nowadays almost everything including fire guns can be 3d-printed, so why not… I attempted to print film holders of 120 film but I was not happy with the quality of the print. So I always ended up with wood, carbon fiber or acrylic.😅
What lens mount did you use? A Mamiya Press or Bronica bayonet mount? Also, you didn’t seem to have issues with achieving infinity focus. Is that because of the 45mm focal length? I assume a longer focal length would require a greater film to flange distance
@@Jim-BobWalton It is a combination of lens mount but it is mainly Hasselblad V system mount and in case there is no film inside (for storage purposes), I can detach the lens and store them in a compact way…. Yes right the longer focal length lens has longer flange focal distance so the length of the tip of the lens to the body would be longer…
Amazing!
Thank you so much... good to know.
Absolutely incredible work, I was smiling through half of the video because it's so cool!! Any chance you plan on making a medium format camera? I always thought that that shouldn't be to hard, since you could use the magazine/film back from another camera but I have little to no experience with building my own cameras haha. There are these Single Lens Reflex medium format cameras, like Pilot 6/ Pilot Super, which use a mirror that you have to manually fold up before pushing the shutter button and if I where to build a camera, I think, I'd try to make one of those. Anyway, keep up the good work, excited to see you next project!!
Thanks a lot for the kind and encouraging words. In fact my most of built-ever cameras were medium format except those 3 Xpan alternatives (yes it was my 3rd time making Xpan alternative). Medium formation is much easier as film winding is straight forward as I just drill a small hole at the back to see the no. of shot. Foldable camera was not my list, but it would be an idea to make a compact size to carry the camera. Thanks once again for the kind words. You might see some of my previous works at my Facebook page (@woodcamera.master). Thanks.
@@aaroncre Ahhh I see, thats so cool!!! Sadly I don't have Facebook and it doesn't let me view your posts without logging in, so I cant see them :( which is a pity, I'd really love to see your other work!! But if you ever make an instagram account, I'd definitely follow you, it'd be awesome to see your cameras and the pictures you take with them!!
And yes, I thought so, 35mm seems like a pain to figure out how much to advance the film etc. Did you use the advance mechanism of a disposable camera for your camera and then just measured out how often you have to turn the wheel?
Also after I wrote my comment I did a little research and I stumbled upon the "Primarflex", which is more or less exactly how I envisioned my DIY Camera (minus the attachable film back). Are your Medium format cameras similiar or are they all rangefinders?
@@joshuam7702 how about Flickr? www.flickr.com/photos/jongbong/
Please note that I've not on Flickr these days though.
It’s fantastic work!! Will you have the 3d file for download? 🙏
Hope it would work.. please note that this is just for a housing to affix Hassel v mount system.
www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/hpont79t9gwxgfra34lb9/Agnes-Pan-design-free.stl?rlkey=6tf6mgeo7ag91vobgc875hlhe&dl=0
Very Cool, do you sell them?
It is just for a personal thing... thanks for the kind interest... I might consider it after my retirement... :)
Superb!
The urge to 3D Print one is strong.
Very nice! What flange distance did you end up with and does it focus to infinity?
Yes, I did it to infinity... flange distance was measured from the helicoid, which might vary, so it wouldn't work for other helicoids.
Very impressive project!!! Looks absolute fancy!! 😮😮😮
I'm just wondering how the forward mechanism works, shouldn't it snap into place at 36mm? How did you bridge it? That you can scroll two images forwards for one panoramashot?
Greetz,
Saartekk 😉✌️
Thanks for the question and sorry for the delay in responding to your query. Concerning the film advancing, I use a film wider from the parts of a disposal camera. I practiced how many times, I need to wind with the plastic gear knob, and I happen to know that at the beginning of the film it takes 7 times winding but from the middle of the roll (let’s say image cut no. 5 to 6) it needs 6 times to wind up.. Hard to explain in writing. Hope you could get what I wished to say.
@@aaroncre Hey, thanxx for your answer, I think I have an idea what you want to say... You used the winding mechanism from a disposable camera and figured out in trial'n errormode how much turns you need... 😉😁
@@Saartekk exactly. Thanks to your intelligence :)
How did you find a lens that would cover image circle big enough, but can focus at such short flange distance? I would guess that any large format lens require longer flange distance, even if it is wide-angle lens. I thought once about making my own camera in similar format as you did, but I never really got past the problem of finding lens that would keep the resulting camera compact.
Hi there.. in fact some of short focal length lens has short focal flange distance. You may find vintage data from Schneider or Rodenstock lens specification. For the case of Rodenstock Apo-Grandagon is 55.5mm as you can see in the following link. Hope it can help and all the best to your works.
www.prograf.ru/rodenstock/largeformat_en.html
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ㅎㅎ 네 사는 곳은 한국은 아니지만 한국 사람 맞아요... 좋은 말씀 감사드립니다. 네이버에 "우드카메라"를 검색하시면 작은 카페를 운영하고 카메라 자작과 관련된 정보 등을 공유하고 있으니 자작에 관심이 있으시면 보셔도 좋을 듯 합니다.
Nicely done.
Thank you! Cheers! ❤
Fantastic work! One question - could you recommend where to buy an optical finder for 6x17 camera with 90mm super angulon? I somehow cannot find reasonably priced one.
Hi.. I would suggest you to find Fotoman from the ebay for customizing view finder depending on the format and focal length. It was about less than 200 bucks which might be reasonable price compare to other stuff...
www.ebay.com/itm/403889816911
@@aaroncrethanks for replying! I will definitely check it out.
how does the winding mechanism work with longer frames? did you modify it or do just know how many many times you have to to wind it up?
That is a catch. I thought the disposable camera would provide a solution, but the gap between the two cuts are so wide, now I get to know through trial and error. At the beginning I need to wind 7-8 times (full) and starting from the middle of the film I need to wind up 6-7 times.. the film counter is not so helpful in that sense.
What is the lens mount/focuser that you are using? Is this a large format lens mounted to some kind of lens adapter with a focusing ring?
Thanks for the query.. I missed the parts in making the video... sorry for that. I'm using a Rodenstock Apo-Grandagon 45mm f4.5 lens which is a large format lens together with helical focuser. The lens mount is combination of Hassel V mount which connects with m62 helicoid. Helical focuser is being used with manual distance marking which enables me to focus from infinity to 0.5m or even closer, but I haven't tried less than 0.5m. Hope this answers to your questions. Thank you.
@@aaroncre Thanks for the quick response! After typing the comment I started searching and indeed found similar parts on ebay.
Thanks Bro It Worked
Thanks so much.. good to know... :)
How did you choose a viewfinder? I want to do something similar but I’ll be using a 65mm lens (35mm equivalent)
As you may know angle of view equivalent to the 135mm camera, it would be easy. Depending on your budget, there are many options other there in eBay, Amazon, etc.
All the best to your works and please share it.
Amazing!! I wish I had that type skill and know-how!!
Hmm....can you make more of these? And if so....how much?
Dead serious!!
CC
I wish I could if I have some free time... thanks for your kind interest. In case I decide to make more I may post to the channel. thanks.
Excellent work. Last month I finished 3D printing my 5X7 camera. For while I was contemplating using wood, but in the end CF-PLA filament won.
Hope to see your masterpiece of 5*7. One day, I will build my own 8*10 for the wet plate collodion
Very cool
I was thinking of tackling a similar project…..are you using a shutter from a medium format camera because wouldn’t you need something with a larger gate than a standard 35mm? Also if you are using the film advance from the Kodak M35, how are you dealing with the spacing of each frame since you are using 2 at a time?
But did you any calculations to use such lens? Or you just did plug the lens and it will work? Nice job anyway
Yes I did a calculation... At first, there is a data sheet from the company (Rodenstock) on flange focal distance then actual distance should be measured by the ground glass and another camera required for setting up an infinity.
@@aaroncre lol i have a nikon p520 dead camera. I was curious to pluck the 42x zoom lenses on the wood :)
@@SonnyBurnett2012 haha.. it might be a challenging but, but always there is an answer... give it a try... :)
To make it work, you might need a mechanical shutter to control shutter speed and aperture with the 42X zoom lenses
Awesome
thanks a lot... :)
What is that transparent plastic instead of Film to see the focus ?
I think I have a stupid question... how do you know what's in focus? Aren't large format lenses meant for a much large flange distance?
focus calibration has been done in two ways.. 1. through a ground glass.. as you may see, I cut a small piece of ground glass to measure the rough distance to trim down the film plane.. then 2. through another camera to check the infinite focus..... in order to have even and same distance, I also need a mico meter to measure each and every corner. It is not necessarily a large format to have a long flange back distance... it depends on focal lengths, and you might find that information from the vendors and any other source from the Internet easily.
I’d ve extremely interested in making a diy similar to this one, would you care to tell what helicoid adapter and moint you were using :)? Official ones are ridiculously expensive…
Hi there.. this is a helical focus: www.ebay.com/itm/152506200999
the lens mount is www.ebay.com/itm/324719672216
All the best to your works.
Idd buy one if you made those for sale.
Haha… good to hear that. I might have a customer if I run for this business…:) much appreciated for your kind compliment
@@aaroncreI wonder how hard it would be to make one similar but for 110 film.
@@atruceforbruce5388 it seems 120 medium format, right? 120mm is much easier as the film winding is simpler with the cut indicator of the film back.
@@aaroncre that's what I meant. 120 medium format. You sparked a camera building interest. Seeing you dont have to be a rocket scientist. I Also considered lens modifications like buying one of those fish eye door peepers that you see in hotels and modifying it to work on lenses like the disposable camera lens mod for regular cameras.
Where to buy :D? Great work!
Not yet @klofisch... I might run a workshop sometime later (after my retirement, but don't know when). This is my family talk over the exact time for the retirement... haha.
Where do you put the SD card?
Hahaha. In your soul!
5:31 T esting? :D
Yeah.. in fact I don't know what happened there.. It was okay when I edit the video but once I render and upload the video, I found the gap between the letter T and e... :)
Thanks for that..
@@aaroncre software gremlins :)
@@zaprodkhaha
Would love a more detailed explanation and walk through of the building process and how everything works
It might not be too complicated to say all details. When it comes to making a camera, the essentials should be two folds. One for sealing light tight and the other one is calibrated a focus.
One addition I made at this project was to take some parts from a disposal camera in particular film advancing parts and a film chamber for the opposite part of take-up spool.
Hi ! What is the name of this type of Lens ? I mean with shutter built in 😅
The lens is Rodenstock Apo-Grandagon 4.5, 45mm. The helical focus is from the AliExpress and marked the distance scale by myself.
but how do you focus?
It has a helical focus... so after measuring the distance by eye, set the distance from the helical. Hope you may follow me. Thank you.
Amazing
@@kierancarter3693 Thanks a lot
0:13 I believe there's a "g" missing somewhere :D
I'm so sorry I cannot follow you
Do you have the 3d model which you showed at the start of the video by any chance
@@kierancarter3693 Yes it is… but please note that the design is not printable… I use it only for design purposes by using 123D designing program. As I’m now traveling until 26th July, I might update you once I go back home..
@@aaroncre i understand i wanted it for exactly the same reason as i was going to build one the same way you did but maybe to cnc a block of wood
@@kierancarter3693the 3d design was used just for a reference with the same dimensions. However there are some alterations once I made with woods, so Cnc works might also require it. for your information.
@@aaroncre thanks
@@kierancarter3693 would you mind to share me with your email address? It might be better to share it through email rather than posting it on the web. Thanks.
One more confirmation - doesn't matter on what you shoot) Really matter - how you shoot)
Thanks for the compliment. "How you shoot" says many things to me... I always enjoy the moment in taking photos and the outcome is just an outcome... It doesn't matter the photos are of my taste or not. Once I enjoy the moment in framing and releasing the shutter, I'm happy with those.. :)
how are you nailing focus?
two ways.... a grandglass as a rough measurement of flange back then micro gauge from the flange to the film plane... this is what I usually do the focus calibration.
My Respect 👍
thanks a lot
Interesting
hope you like it. :)
Genius
So kind… but I’m humble 😂😂
...i'll take one thanks.
haha... thanks.. maybe some other day after my retirement.. :)
Are you selling them? Would love one!