panasonic lumix s5 has a panaromic mode with the same ratio as xpan, and when you convert the raw files to dng (which is what I do) it actually just gives you that ratio raw (maybe in original rw2 but idk)
This is a bit of a cheat, but with a standard 50mm 1.8 lens on any decent digital camera, you can take a series of shots across a scene and stitch them together seamlessly in Lightroom. It’s not as sexy as native panoramic images, but I doubt anyone could tell the difference. Great video, BTW.
Stitching in post is not the same as experiencing the panoramic mode during your shooting. If you havent tried it, you dont know. It is so inspiring to look through the viewfinder on my Hasselblad X1D and see the World in the panoramic view.
You can literally mimic the xpan on most high mp cameras, just change the aspect ratio to 16:9, display gridlines (grid 24) and compose and shoot within the middle rows) in your editing software create an xpan crop (65:24) and boom 🤯 free xpan with minimal loss in quality if you shoot 40mp or higher
I bought one of these in a Vancouver camera shop around nine years ago. It was a consignment item and the 'owner' wanted $1000. The camera and lens were in mint shape in their respective boxes. The guy at the shop implied that the seller had inherited it from an uncle who died (who must have bought it strictly as a collector item). I suspected that the new owner wanted quick cash and had zero emotional investment in it... so I offered $800 as it had been sitting there for a month already. Sure enough the guy accepted and I paid for it and never used it. Three years ago I sold it for $2500... but now I'm seeing that the prices are INSANE! The best part of this story is that the guy who bought it from me met me at my bank downtown and handed me the cash. He immediately unpacked the camera and put a roll of film in it. He had every intention of using it as often as he could and that's what cameras are designed for: capturing images!
I’m glad that you sold it to another person who would use it! You made a good penny off of it, and someone paid a lot less for it then than they would now.
Just because you have less megapixels in the 65:24 mode doesn’t mean you have to print smaller. You still get the full width of the image. If a full size GFX 50R image looks good printed 2 meters wide, the XPan crop will look just as good.
@@erikleypoldt8275 I think so. I use a lot of vintage lenses on it. It's not fast and the autofocus (on the one native GF lens I've tried) isn't super accurate, so of you shoot sports or rely on autofocus, maybe it's not the best camera?
I had an XPAN 1 some years ago. I also had a Mamiya 7 and several other cameras of the 90s. I also had a 4x5 and a 16x6 panoramic medium format camera. Ultimately I bought an Imacon 646 scanner to get the best out of these things. I sold practically all. The view cameras because they were too much of a hassle for me, the Mamiya and XPAN and the Scanner because I simply could not afford to keep pieces like this without using them practically daily especially while I always thought about them dying on me any day, since they are so complicated electronic machines. I kept my Nikon FM2, F2, Hasselblad 501CM and Rolleiflex 3.5E and then I do camera scanning with my Sony A7R2 and Sigma 105 macro. Just as you said: If an XPAN dies, you have just lost thousands of whatever kind of money you use. Made me nervous.
There’s the Vivitar IC 101 point and shoot. The top and bottom of the frame is cropped. I got one at a garage sale. Loved that camera but the winder gave out on me.
you know you can use a canon R5/6 etc and just select that crop in the menu. You can have a line to show the crop or actually have the extra sensor space matted out. Its pretty handy when you're shooting for a specific format.
I have the Sigma dp1 quattro. Oddly enough, the 21:9 format is what I use it for primarily, shooting native B&W. Fabulous tool for this format. Only thing is if you want to do time lapse in that format, no software I found will let you merge in that format. Output is 16:9, leaving black borders at the top and bottom. Hence: shoot 16:9 natively if you want to generate time lapse with the quattros. One commentor said it's not a Foveon: that isn't true (what makes Foveon Foveon is the layering of the sensors, not the distribution) and it makes no difference: results are superior.
I think any full frame camera > 36MP can do the job by cropping - important is a real wide angle lens or even a FishEye with software correction to rectangular pictures
There actually are cameraphones that have the Xpan crop mode as well. The OnePlus 9, 9 pro, 10 and 10 pro all have "Hasselblad"-branded cameras with an Xpan crop mode built into the camera settings.
If you have Photoshop you can produce a panorama quite simply by stitching a series of frames together. Yes that other processing programmes that will do the same.
At the time of watching. The average Xpan price on ebay is $4,500. The Fujifilm gfx 50r is the same price, the gfx 100 is double. Yes it's an alternative AND digital (no film or development costs) but that's still very expensive...... I thought the video was going to be ALL *cheaper* alternatives to the xpan and tx1. In all honesty, I guess I'll stick to cropping images in lightroom. You'd get good at looking through the viewfinder and knowing the crop when it saves you 3k.
I have the Sigma DP2 Quattro and i am going to sell it, it's way too slow for me... In 9/10 cases of taking a photo without a tripod it doesn't work, anything above iso 100 looks bad and that limits it to the point of being nearly useless. Sad that the Quattro line is the only affordable option in this list
The DP0 for a 1/10 of the price of the XPan? Good luck with that, even with the actual price tags for a XPan - if you are in fact able to find a DP0. Compared to this camera, the XPan is available in spades. And another thing - the X3F files of the DP0 can also be "developed" in Affinity Photo. But probably the Sigma software gives somewhat better results, I haven't tried Affinity Photo yet. The problem with the Fuji and Hasselblad is, that they are - differently from the DP0 - not only a totally different form factor and weight class, they also have similar price tags. If you buy a Fuji, you can also buy a XPan for the same price. And if you buy a Hasselblad XD because you can't find a XPan, well, for the price of the XD you can buy two XPans and additionally pay the ticket to fly to Japan, where most of them are offered, and back. I do have a Sigma DP0, but to emulate the XPan format I have a different solution: I have two Kodak 3-A Specials with the Tessar lens and the coupled rangefinder modified to accept 120 film instead of their original 122 format. With that I get negatives in the format of 60x140mm, what is a little smaller aspect ration than the XPan (1:2.33 instead of 1:2.7), but if I would want, I simply could cut a centimeter of both the bottom and the top the negative and would end up with 40x140mm, a ratio of 1:3.5, much wider than what the Hasselblad offers, in a still much larger negative size.
The Sigma costs 1,000€, the Fuji costs 3,500€ without a lens (!) and the Hasselblad costs 5,500€ without a lens. The used XPan allegedly costing ten times as much sounds really stupid considering it's a film camera.
Do you know if the new Hasselblad X2d 100c or the 907x can shoot XPan as well? I went to the Hasselblad website but couldn’t find any information. BTW. Excellent video.
Forgive the question but I have to ask. If i was to take a photo with my Leica Q3 and crop the photo the same ratio as an xpan, would i not have the same look?
Yes, you would! And it would work with any camera, not only the Q3 🙂 But: this way you can only guess the composition while taking a photo with a camera without the crop built-in. And the cameras mentioned in the video (or the article on our website) will give you a real-time preview of the actual panoramic composition. So you will see the actual composition, no need to guess anything! - Jakub
I don't understand. It doesn't work? The ratio is not the only thing, you can see that in the pictures you took the field of view is completely different?
Hi @Maxime-ho9iv , I think it does work. Our goal was not to make a scientific comparison between the cameras but rather find a few options that can serve as digital alternatives the the XPan. Therefore we did not stress out about having the exact lens, field of view etc. on each of the tested cameras. - Jakub
Es gibt Alternativen die wesentlich günstiger gehandelt werden und nicht erst einen Umweg über einen Digitalscanner, sehr teuer, gehen mußt. Die Filmzeit ist Nostalgie und einige wollen noch heute damit Geld machen, viel Spaß.
Sry, I don't get it. the Xpan uses the same full-frame lenses as every other full frame camera, is it not ? Or at least the digital alternatives do. So, the circle of exposure is the same as with every other full frame camera ? It's really comes down to the crop of the image ? Why not just shoot with every common camera then, and just crop the image to whatever aspect ratio is deemed to be "panoramic" ? Real time crop preview and panoramic crop built-in, that the thing ? Ok, I just taped down my optical viewfinder for 5 cents and created a lightroom preset for the crop. I'm obviously missing something here...
No, the XPan lenses are very compact with a short registration distance, so they are more like medium format or even large format lenses, with huge coverage. A normal FF negative is 24x36mm, but an XPan negative is 24x65mm. These lenses would generally not do well in digital, since the edges of the lenses throw the image onto the sensor at a very oblique angle, and the pixel "tunnel" would lose a lot of light.
But yes, you can just crop any image to get the same aspect ratio. Working with a real dedicated panoramic camera gives a very different feeling though.
X-Pan lenses are in fact Medium format lenses with a big image circle and are built more like large format lenses and that's why they require special filters to compensate totally the vignetting in panoramic MF mode. These very sharp lenses on film perform relatively poorly on digital medium format unless you use the Hasselblad Phocus RAW software that has dedicated lens correction profiles for the X-Pan lenses. Even with these corrections they don't reach the sharpness of the native digital lenses. That's just my field experience with a Hasselblad X-Pan and it's 3 lenses and two digital Hasselblad X series cameras.
This is something I do not understand. Why not just take the picture are the largest sensor possible, say 3:2 and crop in computer later? You can slowly position the crop anywhere you need.
Have we not the technology to make something as beautiful as the XPan today??? When showing them side by side it's almost comical the bigger, clunkier camera is the newer camera.
I'm sure we have the technology but I think it would be hard to find a business justification for producing such a camera. It would be too niché, especially that there are more convenient, modern alternatives. But fingers crossed someone comes up with the idea of producing a new XPan, it would be interesting! Thank you for watching! - Jakub
Sure, you can achieve the panoramic aspect ratio this way but it wouldn't let you to preview to composition in 2.70:1 crop. But yes, if for anyone with a really good imagination that could work as well. Thank you! - Jakub
@@nelsonclub7722 definitely unlikely because people have been asking for more crop options for literally a decade and Fuji hasn’t implemented them. I want a 4:5 crop for portraits, previewing the aspect ratio is super important but they don’t seem interested in letting people do that. The few crops they have work well enough for what they’re for, they keep the raw info outside the frame but show you the aspect ratio you want. They just have very few useful aspect ratios.
@@nonsoville The X-Pan lenses were all f/4 or slower, the Fuji X-system has heaps of faster lenses that can give a shorter DOF despite the smaller sensor.
Hello, I just want to mention, that the LUMIX S5 has the aspect ratio of 65:24 build in and may be a solid choice as a digital alteranative to the XPan.
Another video on UA-cam mentioned this feature, so I tried it with my Panasonic S5. It's very enjoyable to shoot with this aspect ratio, especially with wide lenses like 24 and 28.
100% i dont mind the 13mp on the S5 and it's a super cheap camera! Even the kit 20-60 in the mode is legit amazing! I may have to get a 1R though now as I'm.obsessed with this ratio
It annoys me to no end more cameras don't offer wider than 16x9 crops-or, let you set a custom crop ratio. Good tip about the Sigma! I knew the GFX (sadly not any of the X mount) cameras offered a wide crop, but was not aware the Sigma's did too...
Panasonic S1 / S5 series offer wide aspect ratio, xpan mode and cinemascope. If you are ok to shoot raw and crop in post, Panasonic also offer custom grid line and custom ratio in viewfinder (you can set the line you want, color of the line, and opacity of the outer space if you want to keep transparent, grey or full black). You have the same option on SIgma FP. Shame you don't have this option on other brand.
@@vintehindecembre1607I know Sony gives you guidelines in video for a variety of aspect ratios, even if it isn’t baked in. I’ll try it on my A1 and see if will work in photo mode too.
Here's my expedient trick. . . I take my Sony A7R II and switch on the 4×6 square grid display. If you ignore the top and bottom rows, what remains in the middle two rows is basically XPan aspect ratio. You can compose using those grid lines and see exactly what you're doing. Of course you are going to capture the entire full-frame image when you take the shot, but cropping it back down to XPan format in post-production is easy. (It's an built-in aspect ratio in RawTherapee, for example.)
Another possibility is using say a Fuji X camera in panoramic mode. Not the same thing I know, but you will get an out of the camera wide .jpg picture which can be cropped to the desired shape.
just use 2.0x squeeze anamorphic lens on your camera. it will make squeezed image. and once you open the image on photoshop, set pixel ratio from square to 2 by 1, magnificent landscape will show up.
The DP0 Quattro is a favourite of mine for landscape and even some street photography. Detail and colours are very nice and if anything it is a great conversation starter due to it's weird design. You also have the flexibility to shoot RAW DNG if you don't want to go through the lengthy X3F process.
There is no digital equivalent to the x-pan as you would need a digital full frame sensor that is double wide. This sensor does not exist and cropping a full frame digital sensor to widescreen is not an equivalent to shooting on double width 35mm film with the xpan.
I use X1D2 with voigtlander 15mm VM+ M to XCD adapter, It goes to 12mm equivalent. Then in X1D2's xpan mode, the result beats the XPAN completely, it is more xpan than the XPAN
A number of Panasonic cameras have/had multi-aspect ratio cropping, where either the imaging circle of the lens was smaller that usual for the sensor, or the sensor was larger than usual for the format. allowing full resolution in each crop mode. The Panasonic LX3, LX5, LX7 and LX100 all had this feature, and the Panasonic GH5S has a true multi aspect ratio sensor which is bigger than the standard m43 size. In 16:9 crop mode on these cameras, the image at 24mm equivalent is close to 22mm as the lens covers more of the left and right of the image.
Nice video! Personally, i would go for a regular camera with an anamorphic lens. That would allow you not to lose megapixels with the plus of the anamorphic look.
One of the impacts of Oppo's collaboration with Hasselblad when developing the Find X5 Pro is that there are Hasselblad filters and a standalone XPan mode. Oh! I just noticed you're MPB, my camera shop of choice.
I just bought a Sigma DP0 Quattro, looking forward to shooting in 21:9 format. I know you can use any camera to take multiple photos and then stitch them together and crop in post but that's too much work. I want to shoot 21:9 natively.
Of course it's not an alternative at all, but I am glad more people talk about Xpan. Maybe Fuji will hear and produce real digital Xpan, based of halph of GFX-sensor - horisontal cut produce perfect Xpan ratio sensor.
I'm sure it does! How about the depth of field though? Can you use the portrait mode with an anamorphic lens? A camera phone is an option worth considering but here at MPB we believe a dedicated camera gives you better results and definitely a much better user experience 🙂 Thank you for watching! - Jakub
I used to shoot panoramic with a Horseman LF camera and a 6x17cm film back, scanned with a Flextight Precision II scanner. I now use a Fujifilm GFX 50R and if I crop to the same aspect ratio, the Fujifilm images are as good or better.
Great video! I was looking at getting an xpan/TX in 2019 purely for the format, not the use of film. I used to shoot, develop and print film in the past, but the convenience of digital is too great to me in so many different ways, that the prospect of going back to film didn’t fill me with joy (I do have other film cameras still, and one even has a roll of partially exposed film in it that I need to get around to finishing off and developing). However, the main thing that put me off getting an xpan/TX, and your video touches on it, is the ‘ticking time bomb’ comment. I read about the difficulties in getting some spare parts now with know weaknesses. So end of 2019/start of 2020, I started looking at alternatives that would give the xpan aspect ratio. In March 2020, I purchased a (relatively) cheap, pre-loved GFX 50r, primarily for the xpan functionality. Wow, what a fantastic move that has been - with one proviso, that you don’t mind manually focusing or just using single shot AF (the continuous AF, in my opinion, is very poor to the point of being unusable, well, by me at least). The focusing was no concern to me however, because I was already using old manual lenses adapted (to a Sony A7R3) before I got the 50r, & intended to adapt all manner of manual lenses to the GFX too. One of the points that has not been covered in this video re shooting with the GFX, is that you can shoot JPEG+Raw, but it’s only the jpeg that is saved with the selected aspect ratio and film sims, the RAW is still full GFX frame without the film sim. So, in post, you can still ‘play’ with the RAW file and have the JPEG as you shot it as a reference, you can then try out different film sims, or adjust your framing, or even totally change your aspect ratio if you want. I still have & use my Sony A7R3, it makes a great partner to the 50r - if I know I need longer focal lengths, good AF, or generally speed, I grab the Sony, for everything else,mi grab the 50r. I enjoy shooting with the GFX more than I enjoy shooting with the Sony, the 50r is, somehow, more satisfying. I’ve always been an SLR style of camera shooter, for 40 odd years, so the change to a Rangefinder style layout was interesting I didn’t know how I’d take to it, but it’s actually very good, although most of the time I use a tripod. The one thing I’d like the 50r to have is and LCD that tilts in two axis, like the 50s. And if the AF on the 50r could be improved to levels seen on the Sony’s, then, It would be the perfect all round camera for me, as it is, I still feel I want to keep the Sony, it is the better all round camera I think, and when I need good AF, IBIS, long lenses, fast shooting etc, it is still the system I would pick.
I just want to Sony give us via software update an wide variety of aspect ratios including the 65:24 ou 21:9 or idk something cinematic And bring back via software the panoramic mode …. I have the Sony A7iv although that camera is a professional one … it could have some corki and funny features to use At the end of the day I should have bought a FUJIFILM At least I could use the film presets and the tx1/xpan crop
Such a simple firmware update would be great, I agree! But it doesn't look like Sony is interested in making it happen. Why not buy both : a professional Sony and a fun Fujifilm camera? 😉 Thank you! - Jakub
I find it crazy that we can’t just use any size ratio we want in current DSLRs. My Nikon Z5 gives me the choice between 3:2, 4:3, 1:1 and 16:9. Why not ANY ratio I want?? To get XPan-like results I compose in 16:9 and crop afterwards but I always wonder how I would have composed a shot if I had the the 27:10 preview.
@@Dahrenhorst You realize you're justifying the absence of a simple software feature on multi-thousand dollar cameras? If I want limitations, I go to my film camera.
I think you should be able to type what ratio you want. Or put in a handful of your favorites to use, in Camera. I really wonder what limitations there are to not do this. It's really weird with everything else thats possible
Fuji GFX has a 65:24 mode. Yeah sure there are some interpolations involved. Considering it's a 50 MP camera, I think the result is still very acceptable.
Sorry, I'm not buying much of the arguments made here. The XPan made sense in the film days for a couple of (actually weak) technical reasons, plain camera lust aside. It was about portability. If you knew you wanted high quality, large, but wide format enlargements at the outset the XPan was nice. Frankly, 6x7 MF was a bit wider and certainly allowed for lots more options for cropping in post. I used a Mamiya RB-67 and 6x7 press camera, then cropped for "pano" prints; a Mamiya 7 rangefinder would actually provide all the same post options and be as handy as the XPan. Fuji itself had 6x9 rangefinders that would have been even better. Now, specifically about digital XPan equivalents. Any digital cam that record enough resolution after cropping is fine. Yes, the built in crop mode of the cams presented here is convenient, but a compositional aid is all it is. Just as B&W photographers learn to see in monochrome, learn to see in the desired aspect ratio of the print. The most recent wide-aspect print I worked on came from a MFT camera with a 7.5mm Laowa prime, cropped from the 80MP source image. It's mostly about post than the camera.
That's true, and they can be a fairly affordable way to get into panoramic shooting on film. Although not everyone is a fan of the distortion swinging lens mechanism creates. Thank you! - Jakub
I hope some company comes up with 2x apsc sensor attached horizontally with lens system covering sensor size. At this point of time when companies don't make cheap fun cameras anymore, why not at least come up with pricy but fun camera?
Mamiya 7 with a wider lens (65 or 50, 43 if you're into extremes), pano kit - et voila, you have an xpan that can shoot 6x7 :) I know it's still a pricey solution and the film overhead is there, but I personally truly enjoy the analog process, and I save money by developing and scanning at home. If I were to go digital, though, I'd probably grab a 50R as the variety of lenses you can adapt to it is pretty insane. Great video - thank you!
Thanks for the video. IMHO - The Hasselblad produced the least pleasing images of the three and the Sigma beat out the Fuji except for one picture -- the shot looking down the street with houses on either side. Humph.
Interesting presentation and at locations I've been familiar with since the 1950s. The great English landscape photographer, Fay Godwin's photo essay of images featuring the 'Saxon Shoreline' manages to convey the wide skies and flat, brooding atmosphere of this wonderful area. Fay used a Hasselblad 500 and (I think) Ilford film stock. Tbe digital transfer process, which was the latest tech for the 1970s, gave the printed images a sharpness and tonal accuracy, which was impressive for the time.
It is not only about resolution and aspect ratio. Otherwise cropping would be a solution. As for composing - Sony cameras have 2.35:1 Marker display. Not far off from rangefinder framing experience (seeing more than what ends up being photographed). It is mainly about the sensor size, sensor being film in XPan's case. Speaking of sensor size - Fuji & Hasselblad mirrorless "medium format" sensors are approximately 44 x 33mm VS standard medium format film size of at least ~60 x 45mm. So the short side of the actual medium format frame is longer than long side of these new cameras. The XPan, with it's unique use of 35mm film, has an even wider frame of 65 x 24mm. So if you adapt XPan lenses onto these modern "medium format" cameras - the crop factor will be huge at about 1.47 horizontally! That's FF vs APS-C difference :D To sum up, not only there is no camera with a wide digital sensor like XPan had, but there is also no camera that has large enough sensor and short enough flange distance to adopt the XPan lenses.
I mean "technically" there's the Arri Alexa 65 which is 55mmX25.5mm. But yes, in terms of cameras people could actually own and use for photos you're right.
@@connor56347 also thought of it, but as you noted it’s still not wide enough to capture all width of the light projected by the lenses being 1 whole centimeter narrower compared to XPan’s frame
3.24 MINS TO GET THE POINT .. thats a new UA-cam suck n see winner for unrequested dwell time... HERE: Sigma DP0 Quatro & Fujifilm GFX 50R & Hasselblad X1D-50c
If you know how to crop an image in post, you can get this 7:3 aspect ratio (or any arbitrary other) out of any image file. If you want a panoramic image, just be sure to shoot with a wide-angle lens (some by Laowa cover up to 135 degrees' field of view.) My OnePlus cellphone camera actually has an Xpan mode--officially sanctioned by Hasselblad!
You are right, cropping an image in post will give you any aspect ratio you want. However, this way you still frame your shots in a 3:2 (or 16:9) aspect ratio and have to imagine how the final, cropped photo will look like. Hence the idea to find cameras that have the Xpan crop built-in. I definitely agree with using wide angle lenses for this crop, such images look great! Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts! - Jakub
Thank you! Since the video has been released we've added the Panasonic S5 to the list on the MPB blog: www.mpb.com/en-uk/content/kit-guides/top-3-digital-alternatives-to-the-hasselblad-xpan . Panasonic S9 is a really cool camera! - Jakub
Do you know of any other cameras that can shoot images like the XPan or think that nothing
can beat the original? Let us know in the comments👇
panasonic lumix s5 has a panaromic mode with the same ratio as xpan, and when you convert the raw files to dng (which is what I do) it actually just gives you that ratio raw (maybe in original rw2 but idk)
This is a bit of a cheat, but with a standard 50mm 1.8 lens on any decent digital camera, you can take a series of shots across a scene and stitch them together seamlessly in Lightroom. It’s not as sexy as native panoramic images, but I doubt anyone could tell the difference.
Great video, BTW.
Stitching in post is not the same as experiencing the panoramic mode during your shooting. If you havent tried it, you dont know. It is so inspiring to look through the viewfinder on my Hasselblad X1D and see the World in the panoramic view.
The Fuji film GFX line of cameras. I have the 50S but the 50R is built rangefinder style like the Xpan.
@@N9olan its 1000+ right? And very big camera.
"Let me show you alternatives you can use for a fraction of the price" proceeds to demo 2 cameras that are virtually the same price as the xpan
You can literally mimic the xpan on most high mp cameras, just change the aspect ratio to 16:9, display gridlines (grid 24) and compose and shoot within the middle rows) in your editing software create an xpan crop (65:24) and boom 🤯 free xpan with minimal loss in quality if you shoot 40mp or higher
RitchieCam for iPhone has a 65:24 crop mode, it’s great fun to have a mini ‘XPan’ in your pocket.
I bought one of these in a Vancouver camera shop around nine years ago. It was a consignment item and the 'owner' wanted $1000. The camera and lens were in mint shape in their respective boxes. The guy at the shop implied that the seller had inherited it from an uncle who died (who must have bought it strictly as a collector item). I suspected that the new owner wanted quick cash and had zero emotional investment in it... so I offered $800 as it had been sitting there for a month already. Sure enough the guy accepted and I paid for it and never used it. Three years ago I sold it for $2500... but now I'm seeing that the prices are INSANE! The best part of this story is that the guy who bought it from me met me at my bank downtown and handed me the cash. He immediately unpacked the camera and put a roll of film in it. He had every intention of using it as often as he could and that's what cameras are designed for: capturing images!
I’m glad that you sold it to another person who would use it!
You made a good penny off of it, and someone paid a lot less for it then than they would now.
Just because you have less megapixels in the 65:24 mode doesn’t mean you have to print smaller. You still get the full width of the image. If a full size GFX 50R image looks good printed 2 meters wide, the XPan crop will look just as good.
I have the GFX 50R and it's by far my favorite camera I've ever owned. I love it so much. The XPan mode is just the icing on the cake.
Is it great as an all round camera? Travel, general etc Whats a good lens to pair it with?
@@erikleypoldt8275 I think so. I use a lot of vintage lenses on it. It's not fast and the autofocus (on the one native GF lens I've tried) isn't super accurate, so of you shoot sports or rely on autofocus, maybe it's not the best camera?
@@KingGameReview the 50mmm 3.5 sounds great in what ive watched. Smaller also
Well the Sigma Fp L has a 21:9 crop mode. And this is a full-frame L-mount camera with 61 mega pixel sensor @ 2500 USD
amazing production quality of this video, keep it up!
Really nice video. Thanks for it, i just ordered a Sigma DP2 Quattro. Can’t wait to try panoramic photography with this one.
Thanks for the compliment and good luck with your Sigma!
The Panasonic S5 has the 65x24 aspect ratio as an option along with a hires mode to put out massive files.
I had an XPAN 1 some years ago. I also had a Mamiya 7 and several other cameras of the 90s. I also had a 4x5 and a 16x6 panoramic medium format camera. Ultimately I bought an Imacon 646 scanner to get the best out of these things.
I sold practically all. The view cameras because they were too much of a hassle for me, the Mamiya and XPAN and the Scanner because I simply could not afford to keep pieces like this without using them practically daily especially while I always thought about them dying on me any day, since they are so complicated electronic machines.
I kept my Nikon FM2, F2, Hasselblad 501CM and Rolleiflex 3.5E and then I do camera scanning with my Sony A7R2 and Sigma 105 macro.
Just as you said: If an XPAN dies, you have just lost thousands of whatever kind of money you use. Made me nervous.
There’s the Vivitar IC 101 point and shoot. The top and bottom of the frame is cropped. I got one at a garage sale. Loved that camera but the winder gave out on me.
you know you can use a canon R5/6 etc and just select that crop in the menu. You can have a line to show the crop or actually have the extra sensor space matted out. Its pretty handy when you're shooting for a specific format.
explain further as i own the R5 please. Thank you.
I do not see 65:24 in the menu.
I'm impressed at how well the Sigma actually keeps up with medium format... and for the price.. WOW. From experience, it is truly a pain to use.
which one do u have
I used the Sigma SD Quattro H @@itch1428
I have the Sigma dp1 quattro. Oddly enough, the 21:9 format is what I use it for primarily, shooting native B&W. Fabulous tool for this format. Only thing is if you want to do time lapse in that format, no software I found will let you merge in that format. Output is 16:9, leaving black borders at the top and bottom. Hence: shoot 16:9 natively if you want to generate time lapse with the quattros. One commentor said it's not a Foveon: that isn't true (what makes Foveon Foveon is the layering of the sensors, not the distribution) and it makes no difference: results are superior.
Great video, there was a guy who was working on converting a fuji xpro1 into hasselblad format but I haven't seen updates on that recently
Thanks! We'll try to hunt down that video too
The Hasselblad 7023 series has a Xpan set up and you can use the Xpan lenses (with converter)
I think any full frame camera > 36MP can do the job by cropping - important is a real wide angle lens or even a FishEye with software correction to rectangular pictures
With those locations, any camera seem amazing!
True, true :)
There actually are cameraphones that have the Xpan crop mode as well. The OnePlus 9, 9 pro, 10 and 10 pro all have "Hasselblad"-branded cameras with an Xpan crop mode built into the camera settings.
If you have Photoshop you can produce a panorama quite simply by stitching a series of frames together. Yes that other processing programmes that will do the same.
At the time of watching. The average Xpan price on ebay is $4,500. The Fujifilm gfx 50r is the same price, the gfx 100 is double. Yes it's an alternative AND digital (no film or development costs) but that's still very expensive...... I thought the video was going to be ALL *cheaper* alternatives to the xpan and tx1. In all honesty, I guess I'll stick to cropping images in lightroom. You'd get good at looking through the viewfinder and knowing the crop when it saves you 3k.
I have the Sigma DP2 Quattro and i am going to sell it, it's way too slow for me... In 9/10 cases of taking a photo without a tripod it doesn't work, anything above iso 100 looks bad and that limits it to the point of being nearly useless. Sad that the Quattro line is the only affordable option in this list
So simple. Just get an Anamorphic Lens. They come with 1.33x, 1.6x, 1.8x up to 2x width multiplier.
The Sigma FP also has a 21:9 crop mode!
The DP0 for a 1/10 of the price of the XPan? Good luck with that, even with the actual price tags for a XPan - if you are in fact able to find a DP0. Compared to this camera, the XPan is available in spades. And another thing - the X3F files of the DP0 can also be "developed" in Affinity Photo. But probably the Sigma software gives somewhat better results, I haven't tried Affinity Photo yet.
The problem with the Fuji and Hasselblad is, that they are - differently from the DP0 - not only a totally different form factor and weight class, they also have similar price tags. If you buy a Fuji, you can also buy a XPan for the same price. And if you buy a Hasselblad XD because you can't find a XPan, well, for the price of the XD you can buy two XPans and additionally pay the ticket to fly to Japan, where most of them are offered, and back.
I do have a Sigma DP0, but to emulate the XPan format I have a different solution: I have two Kodak 3-A Specials with the Tessar lens and the coupled rangefinder modified to accept 120 film instead of their original 122 format. With that I get negatives in the format of 60x140mm, what is a little smaller aspect ration than the XPan (1:2.33 instead of 1:2.7), but if I would want, I simply could cut a centimeter of both the bottom and the top the negative and would end up with 40x140mm, a ratio of 1:3.5, much wider than what the Hasselblad offers, in a still much larger negative size.
...very very great video....btw I think you can shoot the quattros in dng....
The Sigma costs 1,000€, the Fuji costs 3,500€ without a lens (!) and the Hasselblad costs 5,500€ without a lens. The used XPan allegedly costing ten times as much sounds really stupid considering it's a film camera.
Do you know if the new Hasselblad X2d 100c or the 907x can shoot XPan as well? I went to the Hasselblad website but couldn’t find any information. BTW. Excellent video.
Forgive the question but I have to ask. If i was to take a photo with my Leica Q3 and crop the photo the same ratio as an xpan, would i not have the same look?
Yes, you would! And it would work with any camera, not only the Q3 🙂 But: this way you can only guess the composition while taking a photo with a camera without the crop built-in. And the cameras mentioned in the video (or the article on our website) will give you a real-time preview of the actual panoramic composition. So you will see the actual composition, no need to guess anything! - Jakub
Don’t know what the fuss is. Anyone will just crop to get that XPAN look.
Other choices? Yes, the SIGMA FP-L has the same aspect ratio option and 60mpx sensor
Thank you! I will definitely have a look at the Sigma FP-L. - Jakub
So just a wider lens ? I don't get it
It’s seems a long while since the word “cheap” was used in this context.
I don't understand. It doesn't work? The ratio is not the only thing, you can see that in the pictures you took the field of view is completely different?
Hi @Maxime-ho9iv , I think it does work. Our goal was not to make a scientific comparison between the cameras but rather find a few options that can serve as digital alternatives the the XPan. Therefore we did not stress out about having the exact lens, field of view etc. on each of the tested cameras. - Jakub
Es gibt Alternativen die wesentlich günstiger gehandelt werden und nicht erst einen Umweg über einen Digitalscanner, sehr teuer, gehen mußt. Die Filmzeit ist Nostalgie und einige wollen noch heute damit Geld machen, viel Spaß.
Sry, I don't get it. the Xpan uses the same full-frame lenses as every other full frame camera, is it not ? Or at least the digital alternatives do. So, the circle of exposure is the same as with every other full frame camera ? It's really comes down to the crop of the image ? Why not just shoot with every common camera then, and just crop the image to whatever aspect ratio is deemed to be "panoramic" ? Real time crop preview and panoramic crop built-in, that the thing ? Ok, I just taped down my optical viewfinder for 5 cents and created a lightroom preset for the crop.
I'm obviously missing something here...
No, the XPan lenses are very compact with a short registration distance, so they are more like medium format or even large format lenses, with huge coverage. A normal FF negative is 24x36mm, but an XPan negative is 24x65mm. These lenses would generally not do well in digital, since the edges of the lenses throw the image onto the sensor at a very oblique angle, and the pixel "tunnel" would lose a lot of light.
But yes, you can just crop any image to get the same aspect ratio. Working with a real dedicated panoramic camera gives a very different feeling though.
X-Pan lenses are in fact Medium format lenses with a big image circle and are built more like large format lenses and that's why they require special filters to compensate totally the vignetting in panoramic MF mode.
These very sharp lenses on film perform relatively poorly on digital medium format unless you use the Hasselblad Phocus RAW software that has dedicated lens correction profiles for the X-Pan lenses. Even with these corrections they don't reach the sharpness of the native digital lenses.
That's just my field experience with a Hasselblad X-Pan and it's 3 lenses and two digital Hasselblad X series cameras.
Gfx 50r 32x64
Just shift a few steps, take a second shot and stitch in the pano software. Ta da! Better results than xpan!
This is something I do not understand. Why not just take the picture are the largest sensor possible, say 3:2 and crop in computer later? You can slowly position the crop anywhere you need.
Have we not the technology to make something as beautiful as the XPan today??? When showing them side by side it's almost comical the bigger, clunkier camera is the newer camera.
I'm sure we have the technology but I think it would be hard to find a business justification for producing such a camera. It would be too niché, especially that there are more convenient, modern alternatives. But fingers crossed someone comes up with the idea of producing a new XPan, it would be interesting! Thank you for watching! - Jakub
This camera is almost impossible to fix.
Just crop an ultra-wide shot, what's the point of this video?
Or y’know.. a 28mm lens on any full frame camera cropped to a 2.70:1 aspect ratio 😂
Sure, you can achieve the panoramic aspect ratio this way but it wouldn't let you to preview to composition in 2.70:1 crop. But yes, if for anyone with a really good imagination that could work as well. Thank you! - Jakub
Dare I say it... Oneplus phones have an Xpan mode 😶
That's very true! Although shooting with a phone won't give you that tactile experience of shooting with a dedicated camera 😉 - Jakub
I’m hoping Fujifilm introduce an Xpan crop in the X-T5 via firmware update. It has the megapixels for it. Come on Fuji.
Impossible. Can do a crop but the depth of field is rubbish
@@nonsoville Neither impossible or unlikely - Fuji's version of the X-Pan was the TX-1 (identical down to the mame) DOF has zero to do with it
@@nelsonclub7722 definitely unlikely because people have been asking for more crop options for literally a decade and Fuji hasn’t implemented them. I want a 4:5 crop for portraits, previewing the aspect ratio is super important but they don’t seem interested in letting people do that.
The few crops they have work well enough for what they’re for, they keep the raw info outside the frame but show you the aspect ratio you want. They just have very few useful aspect ratios.
@@Kdkjdjewerdnxa Agreed
@@nonsoville The X-Pan lenses were all f/4 or slower, the Fuji X-system has heaps of faster lenses that can give a shorter DOF despite the smaller sensor.
Hello, I just want to mention, that the LUMIX S5 has the aspect ratio of 65:24 build in and may be a solid choice as a digital alteranative to the XPan.
Probably the S5 mark 2 has it too then… how many megapixels are left in this mode? Thanks for the answer.
13mp
There is also the Panasonic S1R that shoots a 65:24 crop. Truthfully, all the Panasonic full frame cameras do this. But the S1R is 47 mp.
Another video on UA-cam mentioned this feature, so I tried it with my Panasonic S5. It's very enjoyable to shoot with this aspect ratio, especially with wide lenses like 24 and 28.
Panasonic S1R is one of the best camera in the world today .
100% i dont mind the 13mp on the S5 and it's a super cheap camera! Even the kit 20-60 in the mode is legit amazing! I may have to get a 1R though now as I'm.obsessed with this ratio
It annoys me to no end more cameras don't offer wider than 16x9 crops-or, let you set a custom crop ratio. Good tip about the Sigma! I knew the GFX (sadly not any of the X mount) cameras offered a wide crop, but was not aware the Sigma's did too...
It annoys me that 4:5 is rare, too.
agree, there’s no reason fuji coudnt offer it in their x mount cameras. the xt5 is 40mp. an x pro would also look very similar to the xpan
Panasonic S1 / S5 series offer wide aspect ratio, xpan mode and cinemascope. If you are ok to shoot raw and crop in post, Panasonic also offer custom grid line and custom ratio in viewfinder (you can set the line you want, color of the line, and opacity of the outer space if you want to keep transparent, grey or full black). You have the same option on SIgma FP.
Shame you don't have this option on other brand.
@@vintehindecembre1607I know Sony gives you guidelines in video for a variety of aspect ratios, even if it isn’t baked in. I’ll try it on my A1 and see if will work in photo mode too.
@@RiceCubeTechdid it work?
1/10th of the price? the Sigma DP0 Quatro is $1000 LOL. Math is hard.
Here's my expedient trick. . . I take my Sony A7R II and switch on the 4×6 square grid display. If you ignore the top and bottom rows, what remains in the middle two rows is basically XPan aspect ratio. You can compose using those grid lines and see exactly what you're doing. Of course you are going to capture the entire full-frame image when you take the shot, but cropping it back down to XPan format in post-production is easy. (It's an built-in aspect ratio in RawTherapee, for example.)
The Leica SL2 and SL2-S both have 3:1 aspect ratio which is very very close to 65:24. So you can add that one
65:24 rounds down to 2.7:1. So it is very close.
Another possibility is using say a Fuji X camera in panoramic mode. Not the same thing I know, but you will get an out of the camera wide .jpg picture which can be cropped to the desired shape.
the sigma fp (full frame sensor) can shoot at 21:9, pretty close, both in stills and video.
Really in video as well? Are there limits to frame rates and/or resolutions? Would this be a kind of anamorphic look then? I'm super interested 😮
Tape over the screen: ✅ Foveon sensors ✅ Might as well be a One Month Two Cameras video
Better than a Two Girls One Cup video.
Full frame with a 28 or 24mm, use rule of thirds grid, frame shots in that center row, crop to 2.39:1 in post. No XPan but it’s close.
just use 2.0x squeeze anamorphic lens on your camera. it will make squeezed image. and once you open the image on photoshop, set pixel ratio from square to 2 by 1, magnificent landscape will show up.
The DP0 Quattro is a favourite of mine for landscape and even some street photography. Detail and colours are very nice and if anything it is a great conversation starter due to it's weird design. You also have the flexibility to shoot RAW DNG if you don't want to go through the lengthy X3F process.
I definitely agree, the DP0 Quattro is a great conversation starter. That's an underrated secret feature of this camera 🙂 - Jakub
There is no digital equivalent to the x-pan as you would need a digital full frame sensor that is double wide. This sensor does not exist and cropping a full frame digital sensor to widescreen is not an equivalent to shooting on double width 35mm film with the xpan.
I use X1D2 with voigtlander 15mm VM+ M to XCD adapter, It goes to 12mm equivalent. Then in X1D2's xpan mode, the result beats the XPAN completely, it is more xpan than the XPAN
That is an amazing kit you have there! Glad to hear you found a solution that you are happy with. - Jakub
What about Lumix LX100 with physical crop mode switch allowed you to shoot 16x9 natively (sensor is larger than lens coverage)
A number of Panasonic cameras have/had multi-aspect ratio cropping, where either the imaging circle of the lens was smaller that usual for the sensor, or the sensor was larger than usual for the format. allowing full resolution in each crop mode. The Panasonic LX3, LX5, LX7 and LX100 all had this feature, and the Panasonic GH5S has a true multi aspect ratio sensor which is bigger than the standard m43 size. In 16:9 crop mode on these cameras, the image at 24mm equivalent is close to 22mm as the lens covers more of the left and right of the image.
Nice video! Personally, i would go for a regular camera with an anamorphic lens. That would allow you not to lose megapixels with the plus of the anamorphic look.
One of the impacts of Oppo's collaboration with Hasselblad when developing the Find X5 Pro is that there are Hasselblad filters and a standalone XPan mode.
Oh! I just noticed you're MPB, my camera shop of choice.
It's great to hear that, Samson!
there's also Fuji GFX 100 and 100s, 65:24 crop there is 50mp and you have an ibis on top
I just bought a Sigma DP0 Quattro, looking forward to shooting in 21:9 format. I know you can use any camera to take multiple photos and then stitch them together and crop in post but that's too much work. I want to shoot 21:9 natively.
Of course it's not an alternative at all, but I am glad more people talk about Xpan. Maybe Fuji will hear and produce real digital Xpan, based of halph of GFX-sensor - horisontal cut produce perfect Xpan ratio sensor.
My iPhone 14 pro max with an anamorphic lens does a great job (with lots of distortion of course) with emulating this.
I'm sure it does! How about the depth of field though? Can you use the portrait mode with an anamorphic lens? A camera phone is an option worth considering but here at MPB we believe a dedicated camera gives you better results and definitely a much better user experience 🙂 Thank you for watching! - Jakub
@@mpbcom - yeah not going to lie - I prefer dedicated cameras too - have way too many of them! :) no shallow DoP of course with iPhone.
I used to shoot panoramic with a Horseman LF camera and a 6x17cm film back, scanned with a Flextight Precision II scanner. I now use a Fujifilm GFX 50R and if I crop to the same aspect ratio, the Fujifilm images are as good or better.
Great video!
I was looking at getting an xpan/TX in 2019 purely for the format, not the use of film. I used to shoot, develop and print film in the past, but the convenience of digital is too great to me in so many different ways, that the prospect of going back to film didn’t fill me with joy (I do have other film cameras still, and one even has a roll of partially exposed film in it that I need to get around to finishing off and developing). However, the main thing that put me off getting an xpan/TX, and your video touches on it, is the ‘ticking time bomb’ comment. I read about the difficulties in getting some spare parts now with know weaknesses. So end of 2019/start of 2020, I started looking at alternatives that would give the xpan aspect ratio.
In March 2020, I purchased a (relatively) cheap, pre-loved GFX 50r, primarily for the xpan functionality. Wow, what a fantastic move that has been - with one proviso, that you don’t mind manually focusing or just using single shot AF (the continuous AF, in my opinion, is very poor to the point of being unusable, well, by me at least). The focusing was no concern to me however, because I was already using old manual lenses adapted (to a Sony A7R3) before I got the 50r, & intended to adapt all manner of manual lenses to the GFX too.
One of the points that has not been covered in this video re shooting with the GFX, is that you can shoot JPEG+Raw, but it’s only the jpeg that is saved with the selected aspect ratio and film sims, the RAW is still full GFX frame without the film sim. So, in post, you can still ‘play’ with the RAW file and have the JPEG as you shot it as a reference, you can then try out different film sims, or adjust your framing, or even totally change your aspect ratio if you want.
I still have & use my Sony A7R3, it makes a great partner to the 50r - if I know I need longer focal lengths, good AF, or generally speed, I grab the Sony, for everything else,mi grab the 50r. I enjoy shooting with the GFX more than I enjoy shooting with the Sony, the 50r is, somehow, more satisfying.
I’ve always been an SLR style of camera shooter, for 40 odd years, so the change to a Rangefinder style layout was interesting I didn’t know how I’d take to it, but it’s actually very good, although most of the time I use a tripod.
The one thing I’d like the 50r to have is and LCD that tilts in two axis, like the 50s.
And if the AF on the 50r could be improved to levels seen on the Sony’s, then, It would be the perfect all round camera for me, as it is, I still feel I want to keep the Sony, it is the better all round camera I think, and when I need good AF, IBIS, long lenses, fast shooting etc, it is still the system I would pick.
I just want to Sony give us via software update an wide variety of aspect ratios including the 65:24 ou 21:9 or idk something cinematic
And bring back via software the panoramic mode
…. I have the Sony A7iv although that camera is a professional one … it could have some corki and funny features to use
At the end of the day I should have bought a FUJIFILM
At least I could use the film presets and the tx1/xpan crop
Such a simple firmware update would be great, I agree! But it doesn't look like Sony is interested in making it happen. Why not buy both : a professional Sony and a fun Fujifilm camera? 😉 Thank you! - Jakub
Does anamorphic stills count?
I find it crazy that we can’t just use any size ratio we want in current DSLRs. My Nikon Z5 gives me the choice between 3:2, 4:3, 1:1 and 16:9. Why not ANY ratio I want?? To get XPan-like results I compose in 16:9 and crop afterwards but I always wonder how I would have composed a shot if I had the the 27:10 preview.
Well, you can crop as you want in post to achieve any aspect ratio you could wish for ...
@@Dahrenhorst but you can't compose in the target aspect ratio.
@@naturarum That is just a matter of experience and imagination.
@@Dahrenhorst You realize you're justifying the absence of a simple software feature on multi-thousand dollar cameras? If I want limitations, I go to my film camera.
I think you should be able to type what ratio you want. Or put in a handful of your favorites to use, in Camera. I really wonder what limitations there are to not do this. It's really weird with everything else thats possible
Fuji GFX has a 65:24 mode. Yeah sure there are some interpolations involved. Considering it's a 50 MP camera, I think the result is still very acceptable.
Sorry, I'm not buying much of the arguments made here.
The XPan made sense in the film days for a couple of (actually weak) technical reasons, plain camera lust aside. It was about portability. If you knew you wanted high quality, large, but wide format enlargements at the outset the XPan was nice. Frankly, 6x7 MF was a bit wider and certainly allowed for lots more options for cropping in post. I used a Mamiya RB-67 and 6x7 press camera, then cropped for "pano" prints; a Mamiya 7 rangefinder would actually provide all the same post options and be as handy as the XPan. Fuji itself had 6x9 rangefinders that would have been even better.
Now, specifically about digital XPan equivalents. Any digital cam that record enough resolution after cropping is fine. Yes, the built in crop mode of the cams presented here is convenient, but a compositional aid is all it is. Just as B&W photographers learn to see in monochrome, learn to see in the desired aspect ratio of the print.
The most recent wide-aspect print I worked on came from a MFT camera with a 7.5mm Laowa prime, cropped from the 80MP source image. It's mostly about post than the camera.
On film there is also the Horizon Panoramic Perfekt. It is the same with Horizon S3 U-500
That's true, and they can be a fairly affordable way to get into panoramic shooting on film. Although not everyone is a fan of the distortion swinging lens mechanism creates. Thank you! - Jakub
I hope some company comes up with 2x apsc sensor attached horizontally with lens system covering sensor size. At this point of time when companies don't make cheap fun cameras anymore, why not at least come up with pricy but fun camera?
great vid 😍 In my opinion, the sigma wins in all areas... except for the speed and the software 🙂
The Sigma's speed and software still puts it miles ahead of the original XPan's processing speed and software... 😁
hey you forgot the pentax Z - 50mp crop - cheaper than any of the cameras you showed, and way faster too ...
Fujifilm GFX100s with cropped files
I agree, that would work great! Thanks for watching. - Jakub
I shouldn’t have watched this video because now I’ve got a Quattro DP0 ordered. It’s a much more interesting camera than I realized.
Mamiya 7 with a wider lens (65 or 50, 43 if you're into extremes), pano kit - et voila, you have an xpan that can shoot 6x7 :) I know it's still a pricey solution and the film overhead is there, but I personally truly enjoy the analog process, and I save money by developing and scanning at home. If I were to go digital, though, I'd probably grab a 50R as the variety of lenses you can adapt to it is pretty insane. Great video - thank you!
So drool
Fuji X-T5, Fuji 10-24 or 8-16 lens, shoot SOOC JPEG, know how to use the Highlight Tone and Shadow Tone controls, crop image. Done.
Thanks for the video. IMHO - The Hasselblad produced the least pleasing images of the three and the Sigma beat out the Fuji except for one picture -- the shot looking down the street with houses on either side. Humph.
Interesting presentation and at locations I've been familiar with since the 1950s. The great English landscape photographer, Fay Godwin's photo essay of images featuring the 'Saxon Shoreline' manages to convey the wide skies and flat, brooding atmosphere of this wonderful area. Fay used a Hasselblad 500 and (I think) Ilford film stock. Tbe digital transfer process, which was the latest tech for the 1970s, gave the printed images a sharpness and tonal accuracy, which was impressive for the time.
It is not only about resolution and aspect ratio. Otherwise cropping would be a solution. As for composing - Sony cameras have 2.35:1 Marker display. Not far off from rangefinder framing experience (seeing more than what ends up being photographed). It is mainly about the sensor size, sensor being film in XPan's case.
Speaking of sensor size - Fuji & Hasselblad mirrorless "medium format" sensors are approximately 44 x 33mm VS standard medium format film size of at least ~60 x 45mm. So the short side of the actual medium format frame is longer than long side of these new cameras. The XPan, with it's unique use of 35mm film, has an even wider frame of 65 x 24mm. So if you adapt XPan lenses onto these modern "medium format" cameras - the crop factor will be huge at about 1.47 horizontally! That's FF vs APS-C difference :D
To sum up, not only there is no camera with a wide digital sensor like XPan had, but there is also no camera that has large enough sensor and short enough flange distance to adopt the XPan lenses.
I mean "technically" there's the Arri Alexa 65 which is 55mmX25.5mm. But yes, in terms of cameras people could actually own and use for photos you're right.
@@connor56347 also thought of it, but as you noted it’s still not wide enough to capture all width of the light projected by the lenses being 1 whole centimeter narrower compared to XPan’s frame
A $400 used Canon 5D Mark iii with latest Magic Lantern build for 5.7k 14 bit with 15 stops.
Great very informative video . I didn't know anything about this camera and the collaboration with Fuji, so learned something new
Thank you! We are really glad you enjoyed it! - Jakub
The sigma really needs the add on viewfinder to be able to use the screen to its full potential.
So funny: Buying a medium format Fuji for its film simulation modes. Raw anyone?
3.24 MINS TO GET THE POINT .. thats a new UA-cam suck n see winner for unrequested dwell time... HERE: Sigma DP0 Quatro & Fujifilm GFX 50R & Hasselblad X1D-50c
Interesting.... I don't need to simulate anything with my Xpan!
Thank you for the video. i did not know 50R can shot in X-pan mode. Very helpful!
If you know how to crop an image in post, you can get this 7:3 aspect ratio (or any arbitrary other) out of any image file. If you want a panoramic image, just be sure to shoot with a wide-angle lens (some by Laowa cover up to 135 degrees' field of view.)
My OnePlus cellphone camera actually has an Xpan mode--officially sanctioned by Hasselblad!
You are right, cropping an image in post will give you any aspect ratio you want. However, this way you still frame your shots in a 3:2 (or 16:9) aspect ratio and have to imagine how the final, cropped photo will look like. Hence the idea to find cameras that have the Xpan crop built-in. I definitely agree with using wide angle lenses for this crop, such images look great! Thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts! - Jakub
Panasonic S5 shoots this aspeect ratio, as well as the new Panasonic S9. Cool entry level cams for somebody if they wanna shoot that ratio..
Thank you! Since the video has been released we've added the Panasonic S5 to the list on the MPB blog: www.mpb.com/en-uk/content/kit-guides/top-3-digital-alternatives-to-the-hasselblad-xpan . Panasonic S9 is a really cool camera! - Jakub
Why don't Hasselblad just release a digital XPan?
I throw the sigma fpl in the ring. 21:9 and 61 mp
Zupa good reviewer :)
Thank you! 😃
If only there was a way to change an aspect ratio of an image after you've shot it.
does the entire line of sigma dp cameras offer the 65-24 crop?
AFAIK all of those Sigma DP series are basically the same camera, but with a different fixed lens.