I was backpacking through europe when this was going, It was everywhere. The details being printed seemed so twisted and absurd it was impossible to figure out what the hell had actually happened.
Yeah Ive seen this case many times, even tried watching documentaries and timelines about it, but it is such a clusterfuck that Im still confused as hell.
She wasn't forgotten but what does that have to do with Knox's and Sollecito's guilt or innocence? I think Sollecito was just as "forgotten" by many people as Kercher. You can blame the media for that. It's the Brit tabloids like The Sun and Daily Mail and the Italian papers that made this about Knox because that's what sold.
We've got a couple of books from the Old Palace School library my sister never gave back that have a record in their checkout log of Meredith borrowing them. Quite spooky really. I have no idea how we ended up having them, when Meredith was killed my sister had already left the school, must've been dumb luck.
According to the FINAL VERDICT of the Italian courts: 1) Knox was guilty of and did 4 years for falsely accusing her boss for the murder of Meredith Kercher. 2) Knox and Sollecito were in the cottage at the time of the murder. 3) Due to the lack of defensive wounds and the use of 2 different sized blades to kill Meredith at least 2 persons were involved in the murder. 4) Rudy Guede was found guilty of murder and did not act alone. Knox even admitted this to Joe Rogan. 5) The other assailant/s identities remain a mystery. 6) Sollecito's and Meredith's DNA were found on one of the alleged murder weapons: a kitchen knife found in Sollecito's apartment cutlery drawer. It had been disinfected with bleach. But that evidence was seen as non conclusive because hey their respective DNA could have gotten there any random way. 7) Sollecito's DNA was found on Meredith's bra clasp which had been sliced from her bra. But that evidence was seen as non conclusive because the bra clasp had been hidden on Meredith's floor for weeks after the murder and Sollecito's DNA could have landed on the bra clasp any other way. Even though Sollecito didn't live in the cottage and supposedly never went in to Meredith's room. But ok. 8) Amanda's DNA was also found in Meredith's room and Filomena's room. Even though she denied being in either the room of the murder or the room of the staged burglary......but that was also seen as inconclusive. So a lot of interesting coincidences. But that's all they are my friends.
1) "Knox was guilty of and did 4 years for falsely accusing her boss for the murder of Meredith Kercher." Nope. She was finally sentenced to THREE years, not four. Marasca MR, pg 56: "Recalculates the sentence imposed upon appellant Amanda Maria Knox for the crime of calumny in three years of confinement." 2) "Knox and Sollecito were in the cottage at the time of the murder." Based on solely on her calunnia false confession, which, curiously, never mentions Sollecito being there. 3) "Due to the lack of defensive wounds" Kercher had 3 defensive wounds on her hands. The same knife could have made all the knife wounds on Kercher. "b. That detected at the level of the palm of the right hand and the II and III fingers of the left hand can be traced back to possible "defensive injuries" occurred in an invalid attempt to oppose the knife." (Lalli autopsy report, pg. 68_ 4) "...and the use of 2 different sized blades to kill Meredith at least 2 persons were involved in the murder" Prof. F. Vinci's assessment of the wounds completely disagreed: " All the stab wounds reported by Meredith Kercher are perfectly compatible with the use of a single knife whose dimensions are comparable to the traces found on the mattress cover in the room of the victim and referred to in frames n.171, 173 and 174 (progressive numbering of the images collected on the DVD prepared by the Scientific Police." (Vinci Report, June 30, 2009, pg 31_) 5)"4) Rudy Guede was found guilty of murder and did not act alone. Knox even admitted this to Joe Rogan." LOL! Knox agreed that is what Guede was convicted of, not that he did not, in fact, 'act alone'. 6) "5) The other assailant/s identities remain a mystery." There were no other assailants which is why zero evidence of any person except Guede and Kercher was found in her bedroom. 7) "6) Sollecito's and Meredith's DNA were found on one of the alleged murder weapons: a kitchen knife found in Sollecito's apartment cutlery drawer." LOL! Are you freaking kidding me? Sollecito's DNA was NEVER claimed to be on the knife, not even by the prosecution or Police Scientifc Officr Stefanoni who did the analysis. Amanda's was found...because she used the knife to cook with. 8) "It had been disinfected with bleach." Again, LOL! If it was cleaned with bleach, then how the hell could Stefanoni claim Kercher's DNA was on the blade? BLEACH DESTROYS DNA. That's why it's used to clean lab. Your claims just get more and more stupid. 9) "7) Sollecito's DNA was found on Meredith's bra clasp which had been sliced from her bra. " Nope. The conclusion of the two independent, court appointed forensic experts: " we do not accept the conclusions regarding the certain attribution of the profile found on trace B (blade of knife) to the victim Meredith Susanna Cara Kercher, since the genetic profile, as obtained, appears unreliable insofar as it is not supported by scientifically validated analysis" (Conti & Vecchiotti report, ITEM 36 (KNIFE)) 10)..."But that evidence was seen as non conclusive because the bra clasp had been hidden on Meredith's floor for weeks after the murder and Sollecito's DNA could have landed on the bra clasp any other way. Even though Sollecito didn't live in the cottage and supposedly never went in to Meredith's room. But ok." It wasn't non-conclusive at all and the clasp wasn't 'hidden'; it was found across the room in a pile of dust and dirt 6 WEEKS LATER. But how was it likely contaminated? Gee...maybe because the police video shows the incompetent scientific police Stefanoni TOUCHING IT WITH HER DIRTY GLOVE THAT SHE ADMITTED SHE HAD NOT CHANGED AFTER TOUCHING OTHER OBJECTS, DROPPING IT ON THE FLOOR, AND THEN PASSING IT AROUND TO OTHER OFFICERS WITH THEIR DIRTY GLOVES? But, OK 11) "8) Amanda's DNA was also found in Meredith's room and Filomena's room. Even though she denied being in either the room of the murder or the room of the staged burglary......but that was also seen as inconclusive." Oh, dear. NONE of Amanda's DNA was found in Meredith's room! No DNA, no fingerprints, not foot-shoe prints...nada: "However, a matter of undoubted significance in favour of the appellants, in the sense that it excludes their material participation in the murder, even if it is hypothesised that they were present in the house on via della Pergola, CONSISTS OF THE ABSOLUTE LACK OF BIOLOGICAL TRACES ATTRIBUTABLE TO THEM (except the clasp which will be dealt with further on) IN THE MURDER ROOM OR ON THE VICTIM'S BODY, where instead numerous traces attributable to Guede were found. It is indisputably IMPOSSIBLE that traces attributable to the appellants would not have been found at the crime scene had they taken part in Kercher’s murder (the room was of small dimensions: 2.91 x 3.36 m, as shown in the plan reproduced in f: 76)." (Marasca-Bruno Report, pg 47-48) Try again.
@@mytrip6991 Jeez they really are paying you by the word. Good luck affording those rising bills. I'm feel bad for you that soon the McCann case will be aired for all to see and such trolling won't work anymore. Not that you are convincing anyone anyway haha
I remember how much clamor this story had in Italy. I was just a boy at the time and didn't really understand what had happened, but it must have been one of the most famous cases of my generation. And here I am now, scared by the fact that, through all those spotlights, I have never heard this girl speak.
It goes to show just how powerful the media is. From propaganda to speculation to embedding thoughts and emotions you wouldn't otherwise have... it's really really scary actually. I shouldn't just say media but government actors in society etc. There's been huge atrocities committed by group think. (Found the word/ answer I was really looking for through rambling lol) GROUP THINK... IT IS dangerous!
I remember in 1st grade someone tagged on the teachers stuff and she asked us all to write on a piece of paper so she could compare our handwriting. Jokingly I used the same crayon as the tagging and the teacher actually got me in trouble for the tagging which I didn't even do! That's when I realized you can be accused and convicted of a crime you never committed. I learned that in the 1st grade. Then when I was like 14 I had to pay for a laptop I didn't even break with two other kids and I was like well what if it was this other kid broke it too because if I blamed him then we would split the cost between 3 kids instead of just two. So basically I took someone down with me just because I was accused to have less punishment. So twice accused and prosecuted for things I did not do! I was never found innocent 🤷♀️
@@monicanath4859 I agree with you about the murder case, but hate to tell you that Tang is a bot not a real person, UA-cam is getting plagued with them at the mo.
I'm from Italy and I was 10 when this case happened. I remember very clearly the 4 to 5 years that followed the fact, all the news and the media talked exclusively about Amanda and the whole case, at least 4 times a week. It was exhausting to say the least.
@PowerfulJRE Forget the media forget that she's American for a moment and make a timeline of all the events in detail of both her version and Rudy Guede's, then make your own opinion. The very few people who really did their homework know that she and Sollecito know more than they let out.
I have and it supports she's telling the truth. Even Guede's timeline supports Kercher was attacked shortly after arriving home and just about 30-40 minutes after the cartoon playing on Sollecito's computer stops. But in that short time, they go from watching a cartoon to deciding to go to her apartment for some unknown reason, picking up a guy that Sollecito has never met and Knox has met briefly, to sexually assaulting and murdering a girl for no reason. Yeah, right. How do you explain the complete and total absence of any forensic evidence of Knox or Sollecito in that room while there is varied and copious forensic evidence of Guede? Guede who had a very clear motive and a history of theft?
@@mytrip6991 In order to believe that Knox and Sollecito are innocent, you have to overlook the following: Knox's accusation against her employer, a claim she made after less than TWO HOURS of being interviewed (not 40, like Team Knox would have you believe - this is a proven fact) and stuck to for 3 weeks, letting her innocent boss rot in jail all the while. The fact that Meredith Kercher’s blood was found mixed inside Knox’s fresh DNA in 5 different spots in the bathroom. The fact the Knox was bleeding on the day of the murder, and left blood smeared in the bathroom, blood which she herself admits was not there the day before. Sollecito’s DNA on Meredith’s bra clasp - with a 16 loci match, the probability that the DNA belongs to someone else is one in a trillion, and with only ONE other DNA trace of him in the cottage (cigarette butt) the idea of contamination is near impossible. Knox’s DNA on the handle of the murder weapon and Meredith’s on the blade. Sollectio tried to explain this by saying he had accidentally pricked Meredith with his knife while she had been at his house. She had never been there. The THREE sets of bloody footprints, one a match for Guede, one a match for Sollecito, and one in Knox’s size, in her own DNA, mixed with Meredith’s. The single bloody footprint on the bathmat, which is a perfect match for Sollecito, and also, being the only bloody footprint with no others around it, is undisputed proof a clean up happened. The blatantly staged crime scene, with glass on TOP of the clothes strewn around, a near impossible window entry point, and not a single trace of Guede anywhere in that room, not to mention the fact Knox and Sollecito ‘knew’ nothing had been taken before anyone had even looked. The fact that Guede’s footprints lead right out Meredith’s room out the front door and he has an alibi for the rest of the night, meaning we KNOW it wasn’t Guede who returned to the scene hours later, staged a burglary, cleaned up and moved the body. The fact that Knox’s lamp was found in Meredith’s room with no fingerprints whatsoever - more proof of a clean up. The incredible amount of changes in her account before, during, and after she was arrested. Total lack of alibi after multiple attempts, and then Sollecito withdrawing his alibi for her. Her dubious account of her activity the morning after the murder, including her lies about Meredith’s locked door, her reaction to the blood, and the contradictions to this she makes in her testimony, email home, and in her book. The fact Knox knew several details about her murder she could not possibly have known: cause of death, position of body, that there had been more than one attacker, that Meredith had been assaulted etc. The frantic call she made to her mother in the middle of the night that she ‘forgets’ making. The witness who saw her and Sollecito by the cottage on the murder night. The shopkeeper who saw her when she claimed to be in her bed sleeping. And I can go on, and on, and on. My point is that, whatever opinion people have as to their guilty or innocence, there is enough evidence to convict, and however many times those claims of “no evidence" are repeated, it doesn't make it true
@@RYANTHEORY_ When you need to copy and paste Troll Les Grossman's misleading post, that tells me a lot. I've addressed this particular one before. I'll post it here. I suggest you read it and learn: " The fact that Meredith Kercher’s blood was found mixed inside Knox’s fresh DNA in 5 different spots in the bathroom." When DNA is deposited cannot be dated. That is a scientific fact. Finding the mixed DNA of people who live together and share the same bathroom is common and expected. The DNA does not have to be left at the same time and can be day, weeks or months apart. They become mixed when the sample swab wipes up both sets of DNA. It's like taking a yellow crayon and coloring over a red crayon marking; you'll get orange. "less than TWO HOURS of being interviewed "? The official beginning time of that interrogation was 11:00 but questioning actually began closer to 10:30 per the testimony of Ficarra who was the interrogator. The first statement was at 1:45. Unless "Mike Hunt" uses different math than the rest of us, that is not 'under TWO HOURS". "The fact the Knox was bleeding on the day of the murder, and left blood smeared in the bathroom, blood which she herself admits was not there the day before." Two small drops on the faucet were not proved to be deposited on the day of the murder. Just because Knox says she didn't see it on Nov. 1 is not proof it wasn't there. Logic says if she had seen it, she'd have cleaned it up. At the very least, she'd have lied and said she saw it but forgot to clean it. No wounds or cuts were found on Knox. "Sollecito’s DNA on Meredith’s bra clasp"....along with the DNA of at least two other unidentified men. Did those two men also touch MK's bra hook? Two independent, court appointed...not police...forensic experts (Conti and Vecchiotti) determined that DNA was not reliable evidence and most likely due to contamination resulting from the egregious failure to follow anti-contamination protocols by the police. "the idea of contamination is near impossible". Not according to the police video which shows the hook being touched by a visibly dirty glove, handed around to several officers also wearing gloves that Stefanoni admitted were not changed between handling evidence. "Knox’s DNA on the handle of the murder weapon and Meredith’s on the blade" Meredith's DNA was not on the blade as concluded by two independent, court assigned forensic experts. Experts who had more advanced degrees in forensics and more experience then Stefanoni who claimed MK's DNA was on the blade. Nor was any blood found on the knife after repeated testing. The only way to remove all traces was by soaking in bleach...which would have destroyed any existing DNA. "The single bloody footprint on the bathmat, which is a perfect match for Sollecito" Not according to Prof. Vinci who used Crimescope, a forensic lighting tool used to make photos more visible, and who also examined the mat in person, neither of which the prosecution expert did. He excluded Sollecito. "and also, being the only bloody footprint with no others around it, is undisputed proof a clean up happened." There is no forensic evidence of a clean up. None. Logic says that, if that were Sollecito's print, the pair would have removed the rug or at least washed it. Instead, they pointed it out to the police. i could continue with the rest of his lies, but i think I've proved what a liar he is.
A serious of unfortunate coincidences lead people to think she’s guilty. 1. Meredith had cut her finger on Raffaele’s vegetable knife, leaving her blood on it. 2. Raffaele spilt some water in the early hours of the morning following the murder, which meant Amanda had to buy two tubs of bleach and fetch her mop first thing in the morning. 3. The next morning blood from Amanda’s ear bled into Meredith’s blood in the sink area making it look like their was a struggle between the two. 4. Amanda has this whacky zaney personality than makes her display all the traits of a liar but actually she’s just neurodivergent. 5. Amanda and Raffaele turned their phones of that night for the first time making them look suspicious. I could list more. The poor girl is just couldn’t get a break when it came to all these coincidences piling up.
"1) Meredith had cut her finger on Raffaele’s vegetable knife, leaving her blood on it.' Repeated tests found no blood on the knife. (Forensic reports Stefanoni and Conti/Vecchiotti) "2. Raffaele spilt some water in the early hours of the morning following the murder, which meant Amanda had to buy two tubs of bleach and fetch her mop first thing in the morning." Knox never bought any bleach. (Testimony Quintavalle store owner, no bottles found in cottage, no evidence of a clean up per court records) "3. The next morning blood from Amanda’s ear bled into Meredith’s blood in the sink area making it look like their was a struggle between the two." No wounds were found on Knox per doctor examination Nov. 6, 2007. No evidence of a struggle between Knox and Kercher. "4. Amanda has this whacky zaney personality than makes her display all the traits of a liar but actually she’s just neurodivergent." What are 'all the traits of a liar'? Those things that you believe are lies because you see everything through guilt colored glasses? "5. Amanda and Raffaele turned their phones of that night for the first time making them look suspicious" Yeah, having a new romantic relationship and not wanting to be disturbed or called into work when being unexpectedly given the night off due to slow business is just so....so...so....illogical. New lovers would never do that! "I could list more. The poor girl is just couldn’t get a break when it came to all these coincidences piling up." Yeah. Like what are the chances that not a single piece of forensic evidence could place Knox in the room where Kercher was violently sexually assaulted and stabbed to death with a knife? But Guede left bloody shoeprints under and around the body, fingerprint/palm print in blood under the body, and his DNA in her body, on her clothes, and in blood on her purse? Go figure.
@@mytrip6991 “No evidence of Meredith’s blood on the knife”. And yet we know it had been there because Rafa told us she’d had a vegetable chopping accident. Likewise, for Amanda’s ears. She told us they were all leaky. How unfortunate in both cases. All that blood getting spread around. I’ve seen you replying to every comment on every knox video. Literally thousands of comments in total. I can only asssume you’re employed by her team.
@@petelovatt8357 amanda knox's team is on the offence. I think that they are trying to win people over to their cause,because in 2024 rudy guede also might write a book.
@@Hangar.18 Unfortunately, Rudy has changed his story a few times just like Amanda and Raf., so he has no credibility either. However, I think if you wade through the lies there are a few truths in there. He said he knew Raf and they’d smoked weed together. He also said an argument broke out between the girls because Meredith accused Amanda of stealing her money. I can see this being true as well. If Rudy gives us the same chit about “it all happened while I was on the toilet” then his book won’t count for much. However, if he decides to own up AND include Amanda and Raf’s involvement, then he’s probably hovering closer to the truth than any version of the story yet. I wouldn’t count on it though. He’s a turd.
Why did she accuse her Black boss of the murder? He was easily cleared, he was catering to his patrons when the crime occurred. She also lied about being in her apartment that night and seeing Lumumba there, when in fact she was with Solecito. This is a web of lies, and she only has herself to blame for what happened after. It was obvious she though Italy would be like the USA where it's enough to blame some black guy to walk free.
1). She didn't bring up her boss, Patrick Lumumba; the police did. The police misinterpreted her text to him acknowledging his text telling her not to come to work that night. She said "Ok, see you later. Good night". The police insisted that meant she planned a meeting with him "later" that night. She denied repeatedly that she had met him or taken him to the cottage but the police calling her a liar. The interpreter told her she had 'traumatic amnesia" and that she'd remember "the truth" if she just kept trying. She had no lawyer which was legally required and the interrogation was not audio or video recorded. The police wrote up the "confession" and she signed it after being worn down. That confession was ruled to be inadmissible in the murder trial due to her right to a lawyer being violated. This is all in the court records. Your need to resort to allegations of racism just shows you have little knowledge of the facts of the case. You do know the actual, convicted, just released from prison murderer--Rudy Guede-- is black? If she were involved she'd know that and, according to you, just have named him if all she wanted was to blame a black guy.
@The Hand 1) "She had the opportunity to say her statement was false. She let him stay in jail. To this day, she has not apologized." False. She said in her written statement, aka First Memorial" given to the police the very same day that "In regards to this "confession" that I made last night, I want to make clear that I'm very doubtful of the veritity [sic] of my statements because they were made under the pressures of stress, shock and extreme exhaustion. Not only was I told I would be arrested and put in jail for 30 years, but I was also hit in the head when I didn't remember a fact correctly. I understand that the police are under a lot of stress, so I understand the treatment I received," and "However, it was under this pressure and after many hours of confusion that my mind came up with these answers. In my mind I saw Patrik in flashes of blurred images. I saw him near the basketball court. I saw him at my front door. I saw myself cowering in the kitchen with my hands over my ears because in my head I could hear Meredith screaming. But I've said this many times so as to make myself clear: these things seem unreal to me, like a dream, and I am convinced that they unsure if they are real things that happened or are just dreams my mind has made to try to answer the questions in my head and the questions I am being asked. But the truth is, I'm unsure about the truth and here's why: " In these flashbacks that I'm having I see Patrik as the murderer, but the way the truth feels in my mind, there is no way for me to have known, because I don't remember FOR SURE if I was at my house that night." She is clearly stating that what she said in her 'confession' isn't reliable, including about Patrick. Yet the police kept him in jail with ZERO evidence against him for two weeks. She had no lawyer which was against both Italian and EU law and the interrogation had no audio or video recording. 2) She also DID apologize to Lumumba in court November 30, 2007: “I want to tell the truth. I’m sorry about Patrick. I’m sorry about the whole situation. I’m innocent.” She apologized to him again in her Dec. 11, 2010 appeal statement in court: "Patrick? I don’t see you. But I’m sorry. I’m sorry because I didn’t mean to do wrong to do you. I was very naïve and not courageous at all; I should have been able to withstand the pressures that caused me to do harm to you. I didn’t mean to contribute to what you have suffered. You know what it means to have unjust accusations imposed on your skin. You didn’t deserve what you experienced and I hope you will be able to find peace.” 3) "The court said that she is guilty of defamation, but you blame the police. Concerning the judgement of the court, you want it both ways." Not the same Supreme Court, that was the Chieffi SC that also sent the case back again to Nencini basically with instructions to convict the pair. Which they did. The ECHR has ruled that her defamtion conviction is 'unfair' as her statements were made during an illegal interrogation without a lawyer or a neutral translator. Italy had to pay her $21,000 in compensation and must present a plan on how they will rectify it. 4) "The monster in this murder is not the black guy Guede. The monster in this murder is the white woman Knox. Racism is why people are interested in this incident and why white people defend her." What a load of crap. GUEDE killed Kercher. It was HIS DNA inside her, on her jacket, on her bra and in her blood on her purse. It's HIS fingerprints in her blood. It's HIS bloody shoeprints under and around her body. You just need an excuse NOT to blame a black man for your own agenda. ALL the evidence points directly to him. 5) " It is a pitiable denial of guilt and a hideous appeal to racist tendencies." I've got news for you: sometimes black people ARE guilty just like people of any other color, ethnicity or religion. You clearly are the one with a race problem. It's not we who look at the evidence and not the color of Guede's skin.
@The Hand LOL! They smoked some weed like everyone else, including Kercher, the Italian roommates, and the boys who lived downstairs. Weed doesn't turn you into homicidal maniacs; it's a depressant. You get the munchies and relaxed..mellow. Their hair tests taken upon their arrests showed NO NARCOTICS of any kind in their systems. Unlike blood and urine, hair does not lose its traces of drugs over time. The prosecution's many unproven and bizarre motives that were changed more often than underwear were insulting. Y So tell me what EVIDENCE puts them in Kercher's bedroom where the murder took place.
@The Hand I did read your statement and your use of "high on drugs" instead of "marijuana" was, I believe, intentional. You do have 'knowledge of their ingestion' now thanks to me: they had no narcotics in their system. As I said, weed makes you relaxed and with a hazy memory; it does not lead to suddenly and without motive killing someone. Their alibi before the illegal and coercive interrogation of Nov. 5/6 was that they spent the evening at RS's apartment watching a movie, eating dinner, and going to bed. It was still their alibie after retracting their coerced and illegally obtained statements during the interrogation. "It allows multiple possibilities and it allows denial." What a silly statement. " The LAPD framed OJ but he still murdered his wife." At least we agree to that. But there was also sufficient evidence of his guilty without the disputed evidence of Mark Fuhrman. That jury was not going to convict him if they had a video of the murder in front of them. Speaking of dishonest cops, Science Officer Stefanoni failed to reveal in court the fact that ALL the luminol revealed 'footprints' assigned to Knox in the cottage tested NEGATIVE for blood with TMB. It took a defense expert witness to find and present in court the negative tests that Stefanoni had run. Yet Stefanoni repeatedly used the term "luminol revealed' suggesting they were, indeed, made in Kercher's blood. So much so that Judge Massei, even after acknowledging that the blood tests were negative, claimed they were in Kercher's blood!
For people that are not trained to resist interrogation after 24 hours of constant interrogation you won’t even remember the truth once the hunger fatigue fear and delirium sets in
That’s true except she willingly was interrogated for a short time. Like 4 hours. I’ve had a 14 hour work day in the Chicago winter outside and it never caused me to hallucinate
You have to be trained so as to only answer with truth or information that you are aware of. You cannot answer speculative questions and for most questions your answer is just going to be no comment as you truly are not going to be able to answer the question.
This case reminds me of the "Beatrice 5" case here in Nebraska. The local sheriff's department and court system convicted 5 people of a murder using interrogation dirty tricks and fabricated evidence. The higher courts released all 5 people after a man already imprisoned confessed to the crime and gave details that only the perpetrator would know about. The 5 people received a court settlement worth millions of dollars but not one cent has thus far been collected, one of 5 died in an accident after his release.
As a former officer trust me when I say, NEVER talk to the police without an attorney. Especially, if they say you are not a suspect they just want to gather some information. I’ll never forget day one on the job our police union president explained, if we ever get in trouble on the job (arrested,etc.) we should never speak to the investigating brass without FIRST calling our union-provided attorney . I remember that moment distinctly. I thought to myself, damn, if the POLICE themselves want an attorney present when they being interviewed by their fellow officers---- you better bet a citizen needs an attorney as well 🤷♀️. Also, never blow if being pulled over for a DUI.
Really I learned that lesson by chance. I watched cops and always saw the people who never said shit and didn’t do shit get out. I got pulled over , did not do an FST , did not blow, didn’t consent to blood, I spent the night in jail and the next day my lawyer had to get me my license back but I didn’t get a DWI! My lawyer gave me props and I even showed her how one can order new licenses online
@brandihillcom I can tell you must have been a good cop, because the only difference between a good cop and a bad cop - a good cop knows their job isn’t supposed to be easy. Thank you for your service to your community 🇺🇸👮
Can I ask you to elaborate on what you meant by "never blow it being pulled over for DUI". I was under the impression that if you refuse a blow test when you've been pulled over due to suspicion of driving under the influence, that they'll just draw your blood when you get to the police stanytion...? Am I wrong about that? Thanks in advance!
@@KelleyBroussardMackaig @AnthonyGonzales sometimes they do pull a warrant for blood draw. which takes time (which is a good thing), generally it is only done when a fatality or significant bodily harm has occurred or say you yourself are too injured, unconscious to do the breath test. There is a video on UA-cam of a nurse who they arrested because she Rightfully refused to draw blood of suspect without a warrant. The video is horrific to watch but I think she sued agency for incredible amount of money. Taking someone’s body fluids is pretty fucking serious overreach-- asking hospital to do it without a warrant is insanity.. Generally speaking if you are respectful and easy going and just politely say something like “ respectfully, my aunt is an attorney she has advised me it’s in my best interest to not do the breathalyzer.” They will be cool. You are also telling them in a polite way you have representation (this is something most people they deal with can’t afford so it’s kinda like what’s the point she has an attorney that’s gonna get her off and I’m gonna be forced to sit in court over this- maybe they’ll juat be cool abd not make a big deal. Every officer will be different obviously. A lot of states (Florida where I live ) will automatically suspend your drivers license when you refuse to take a breathalyzer. Sometimes officers will tell you this to “encourage” you to take the test. Juat know if you blow over the limit your license is gonna get suspended anyways 🤷♀️-- keep in mind if you remain respectful in courtroom too most judges will give you hardship license so you can atleast do your basic task such as take kids to school and go to work…. But it you blew some crazy high number and say you have a past dui or some other past traffic record they may be less likely to be as flexible. Essentially by not blowing you are giving the prosecutor less evidence to work with . Always being nice and respectful to officers and courts “yes mame no sir” etc helps alot!!!
hard to call it out for sure, but she hid so many things and changed versions so many times that her self-proclaimed complete innocence is hard to believe
Wow!! I'm glad to see her now that she has fully grown. In the past she seemed to have no confidence and was so immature. Now, she is so articulate and possesses so much confidence.
Yes Peter Rutkowski, Amanda has become so eloquent and outspoken since she was on drugs together with that creepy boyfriend of hers, named Rafael Sollecito. You can just as well listen to Kate McCann in her first interviews after Madeleine "disappearance" and compare them to how she speaks and writes today. All society has to do in order to exonerate a psychopath, who has committed a crime, is to give him/her more and more time on social or MSM-media, as it will help him/her plenty of time to dupe whoever bothers to listen. Why in the first place, do such people feel the need to write a book in order to persuade the public about their innocence????
@evie - since posting that, I met Amanda and we have become friends. I’ve met her husband and their daughter. When you see the way little Eureka looks at Amanda, you know she is being loved. I can’t believe someone who is capable of committing murder, then lying about it for years, can show a child that much love.
On Nov. 6, Knox gave the police a written statement wherein she describes the interrogation. There is no reason to think that Knox knew what police tactics are used to obtain confessions, specifically those associated with coerced-internalized false confessions. Yet her memorial clearly describes exactly those tactics: 'Coerced-internalized false confessions' are those in which an innocent person-anxious, sleep-deprived, confused, and subjected to a highly suggestive interrogation that often includes the presentation of false evidence-actually comes to believe that he or she committed the crime.” Statements taken from Knox’s ‘first memoriale’ (1 M) written and given to police just hours after the interrogation ended: ANXIOUS: “experiencing worry, unease, or nervousness, typically about an imminent event or something with an uncertain outcome:” One can safely assume anyone being interrogated by the police about a murder…or any crime…would be ‘anxious’ regardless of guilt or innocence. SLEEP-DEPRIVED 1) “I want to make clear that I’m very doubtful of the verity of my statements because they were made under the pressures of stress, shock and extreme exhaustion.” (1 M) 2) Aida Colantone, interpreter present on Nov. 4: “I understood that this girl was truly fatigued, exhausted, she was tired because I practically found her, she was draped on a seat with her head reclined toward the wall, white in the face, with her eyes closed, white, I was very struck by her pallor and I understood that this girl was in bad shape. [Transcript March 13, 2007 (page 88-89)] 3) Off. Rita Ficarra, on Nov. 5 at beginning of interrogation” “The girl continued to talk and said that she was fed up with the fact that she was recalled multiple times by the police and that she was simply tired.” [Transcript February 28, 2009] The night of Nov. 4, Knox was up until at least 3:30 AM. [email sent home at 3:24 AM.] CONFUSED: 1) “In my mind there are things I remember and things that are confused.” 2) “However, it was under this pressure and after many hours of confusion that my mind came up with these answers” 3) “I'm very confused at this time.” 4) “ At first I was scared, offended, and confused. 5) “ Please don't yell at me because it only makes me more confused,” 6) “However, I admit that this period of time is rather strange, because I'm not quite sure.” 7) “These things I'm not sure about” 8) “But I've said this many times so as to make myself clear: these things seem unreal to me, like a dream, and I am unsure if they are real things that happened or are just dreams my mind has made to try to answer the questions in my head and the questions I am being asked. But the truth is, I'm unsure about the truth and here's why:” [First memorial] The one thing that is clear in this memorial is her confusion and uncertainty. HIGHLY SUGGESTIVE INTERROGATION: 1) “Not only was I told I would be arrested and put in jail for 30 years, but I was also hit in the head WHEN I DIDN’T REMEMBER A FACT CORRECTLY.” (1 M) Note the use of ‘correctly’. IOW: when she didn’t agree with what the police were telling her were the ‘facts’ such as she met and took Lumumba to the cottage. 2) Off. Rita Ficarra on believing Knox was meeting Lumumba that night: “we asked who this Patrick was, and this seemed to us an appointment, see you later, certainly, in response to another message.” “This seemed to us an appointment, we’ll see each other later, sure, in response to the other. [Transcript February 28, 2009] 3) “A text message was found to have been sent at 8:35PM of November 1st by KNOX’s number 3484673590 to 3387195723, that of her co-defendant Patrick, in which she wrote “Ci vediamo dopo” [“See you later” or lit: “We’ll see each other after”] thus confirming that in the following hours KNOX would find herself with Patrick in the apartment where the victim was. [Decree for Arrest November 6, 2007] 4) Anna Donnino, interpreter during interrogation: “Question: So in the ambit of your role in which you were mediator you then considered it worthwhile to recount to Amanda even your personal experience relating to the leg fracture etc. Anna Donnino: Yes.” [Transcript March 13, 2009] 5) From the ECHR judgement on Knox vs. Italy: “[Knox] complained that she had not been provided with a professional or independent interpreter during her police interviews of 6 November 2007 and that the police employee who assisted her had played a role of “mediator”, encouraging her to imagine hypothetical scenarios.” “Lastly, the Court explained that it could not overlook the ambiguity of the role played by the interpreter, who had been acting more as a “mediator”, even though she was not required to go beyond her interpreting duties.” 6) Knox spontaneous statement during trial in response to Aida Colantone’s testimony (March 19, 2009): [Colantone told me that] “probably I didn't remember well because I was traumatised. So I should try to remember something else". Why would Donnino need to mention her own traumatic amnesia if not to suggest to Knox that her inability to remember what happened was due to her also having traumatic amnesia? PRESENTATION OF FALSE EVIDENCE: 1) “I have been told there is hard evidence saying that I was at the place of the murder of my friend when it happened.” 2) “I know that Raffaele has placed evidence against me, saying I left him during the night of Meredith's murder,” 3) “The police have told me that they have hard evidence that proves I was in the house, my house, at the time of Meredith's murder. I don't know what this proof is” The police did not believe Sollecito's (coerced) account was false evidence, but Amanda was being told that her boyfriend said she'd gone out the night of the murder which she knew either had to be a lie or that she really did have amnesia and just couldn't remember. It made her doubt her own memory and that the police were right: she had gone out.
@@TheWchurchill4pm My focus was on Meredith, whom the interviewer called "this Meredith girl" why call her "this ... girl" Lumumba never got an apology from Amanda, which is pretty sad and extremely unfortunate.
One of the first cases I learned about that was just solid "The media don't care what the truth is, if it bleeds it leads" Easy to see how we've gotten here when journalistic integrity is completely butchered
The only weapon that will never fall to technology is propaganda. It’s actually much easier to control the herd these days considering everyone has a small computer in their possession 24/7. All one needs to do is look at the Trump coverage from 2016 to now. It’s absolutely absurd the lengths MSM/Social media goes to twist, gaslight and manipulate.
Her personality is very unlikeable and cold. I believe she knows something and never describes her relationship with Rudy here. 4 years in prison = 4 million dollar book contract.
What relationship? She served him a drink once or twice as part of her job and spent a brief amount of time in the same apartment with him along with Meredith and the boys who lived there. There is no testimony that they even spoke to each other then except for a brief introduction. Eight+ years physical, mental, financial ordeal running up millions of dollars in debt = more than 4 million dollar book contract.
It's an incredible story of media concocting something to sell papers and have no shame in perpetuating these lies. I can't imagine how Amanda came thru this ordeal. It must be very scary to be accused of something so horrible and to know that you had absolutely nothing to do with it. Awful.
Nick Pisa, one of the most prolific tabloid reporters during the Kercher case, even admitted that fact checking the reports took a back seat to getting them in first and getting paid for them. He even wrote up one report on the Hellmann appeal verdict BEFORE it have even come down complete with a "GUILTY!" headline and "quotes" and "reactions"....which never happened. The Daily Mail published it and then quickly had to take it down when the verdict was for acquittal. That is how honest most of the media was.
@The hand And Meredith's DNA alone is found on the floor in that same room (sample #177). Mixed DNA is common in shared households and each donor doesn't have to leave their DNA at the same time. It can become mixed at the time of collection when one was deposited on top of another or next to it. Your DNA would be found mixed with whomever you share your home with, too. I suggest you read up on it.
@The Hand Your ignorance of how mixed DNA works is revealed every time you make that claim. There is no evidence that anyone, much less Knox, planted that DNA or even brought it in. It's just as likely that Filomena brought it in on the bottom of her shoes or socks or Meredith brought it in herself.
@@LordBruuh No. lol You new here? They've had so many issues with YT, from demonetization, copyright claims, and straight up taking down certain episodes because "reasons." Some old JRE eps were controversial. Like Rogan and plenty of his friends has said countless ridiculous things, and some are incredibly incriminating. It was a different time. A lot of those were clipped so you can find it yourself. Joe himself agreed to take it down to avoid useless heat. It was his decision. Spotify didn't just give him an ultimatum. They've an actual contract. Whereas in YT, Joe has no say in the matter. Big difference.
The night she confessed was a couple of hours after her boyfriend admitted he didn't know where she was the night of the murder.Just thought Id add that tiny detail she doesn't mention..He broke her alibi and they called her in from the waiting room. He has never changed that story hence he never took the stand. Her 54 hours interrogation over 5 days is extremely questionable as is everything about this case.
Raffaele didn't "admit" anything. Under an illegal interrogation where he was denied a lawyer (as found by both an Italian SC and the ECHR) and threatened, he became confused between the events of the night of the murder and the night before. He even asked for a calendar so he could see what day of the week it was and check Amanda's work schedule, but they refused him one. The times he then said she left and came back were identical to her actions the night before the murder. Those times were verified by witnesses. They didn't call her in from the waiting room then to interrogate her. She was already being interrogated before he 'broke her alibi'. This is all available from the testimonies of the police. He most certainly has changed his story since then! He says she was with him all night and has for years...long before they were even first acquitted in 2011. He didn't take the stand as was his right and which most lawyers recommend to their clients. Getting confused under relentless questioning can make even innocent people look guilty. As for the 54 hours of interrogation, the hours are documented in her first appeal. It's available online.
Whether she did a cartwheel (and it was allegedly one, not plural) is up for debate. The police woman who says she did a cartwheel is Rita Ficarra...the same one who denies she ever smacked Knox on the back of the head. The same one who gives a very different description of that same interrogation. Ficarra sued Knox for slander along with the other police and the prosecutor, Mignini. Ficarra , Mignini and the others lost that slander suit. Knox says that she was stretching by doing some yoga exercises while waiting alone for Sollecito. A passing policeman notice and commented to her that she was very limber and asked her what else she could do. Knox says she did the splits, not a cartwheel, which makes more sense if you’re demonstrating how limber you are. But even if she did do a cartwheel, how is that evidence of murder?
@@petersmith2522 What? Kercher's blood was not found on any of Knox's clothing. I don't know where you got that misinformation. Odd behavior is not evidence of murder. And why is doing some stretching odd behavior? This is Knox's explanation: "I’d been sitting hunched over a long time. I touched my toes, flexed my quads, extended my arms overhead. He said, “You seem really flexible.” I replied, “I used to do a lot of yoga.” He said, “Can you show me? What else can you do?” I took a few steps While I was on the floor, legs splayed, the elevator doors opened. Rita Ficarra, the cop who had reprimanded Raffaele and me about kissing the day before, stepped out. “What are you doing?” she demanded, her voice full of contempt. I stood up and returned to my chair. “Waiting,” I said. The silver-haired officer said, “I was just asking Amanda some questions.” Ficarra said, “If that’s the case, we need to put it on the record.” Knox, Amanda. Waiting to Be Heard (p. 109).
@@petersmith2522 No, it did not. Maybe you're remembering them talking about Kercher's aspiration blood on her own bra which helped determine if she was still alive or not at the time of the sexual assault. I can tell you with 100% confidence that no blood of Kercher was found on Knox's bra or on any of her clothing at all. If that were true, it would have been entered by the prosecution as evidence; it was not. Go back and watch it again.
@MR IV DNA doesn't lie, the Italian authorities aren't well known for their police work. The prosecutor has become a national joke. People who think Amanda Knox is guilty are just a little slow. Seriously. The guilty guys DNA everywhere. Italian authorities are like, "witchcraft". Better be glad that didn't happen to you in another country.
Yeah...the Italian media did nothing to shape the public's negative view of Knox with such rhetoric. And influence the jury members who are allowed to read , watch, and discuss whatever they want DURING the trial.
I was a 22 year old exchange student the year before this happened. I completely understand at the time how Amanda was caught up in the language and cultural barriers. I was like a child totally at the whims of the people around me- literally everything you think is true is shifted in a foreign country. I was in so many stupid situations thinking back because I had gone from this very sheltered American life to a completely different reality. I think far too many Americans overestimate how you would act in the face of the language and cultural barriers surrounding this crime. I feel for her and for the true victim- poor Meredith and her family.
It shouldn’t be surprising that Italians found her behavior strange. Just consider how we as Americans have assumptions about people from foreign countries. While there was much human error involved in what happened to her, I think we also have to consider the cultural factors. Specifically, the universal human tendency not to challenge our individual assumptions.
@@TheWchurchill4pm I've often wondered if Amanda may be on the autism spectrum. I am certainly not saying she is because, unlike many here I don't diagnose someone when I have no professional training, but she has a lot of behaviors that remind me of a person who is mildly autistic. I have a family member in her late 20's who does not emote facially as Amanda sometimes doesn't, can act slightly "off" in situations... especially when she stressed,.and can sometimes say things that seem out of the 'norm'. Yet she is extremely smart and kind, especially to anyone she thinks is being bullied or an underdog. Amanda reminds me very much of her sometimes.
@@simonbaribeau4853 Why because they have a differing opinion? I think she is guilty. I have always thought she was involved, and I have the freedom to have that opinion without you getting angered. I'd bet my last dollar she participated in the murder.
@Raindropsonroses - I’ve read her book and seen the interviews she conducted called “The Scarlet Letter Reports.” They show that she is very caring and thoughtful.
@@TheWchurchill4pm Which is how her friends describe her; friends she's had since childhood. Friends who not only stood by her throughout this decade long ordeal forming a group "Friends of Amanda" to help her, but who flew to Perugia to testify to her character and one, Madison Paxton, who moved to Perugia to be there for her. 'Narcissistic psychopaths' don't have friends like that. But these armchair psychologists who know virtually nothing about her except for the tabloid nonsense they and the prosecution created, feel entitled to declare they know she's a psychotic narcissist. Dunning -Kruger at its finest!
This was one of the best podcasts I’ve heard in a while, particularly everything they discussed other than the trial, just such a good human to human conversation, real breath of fresh air
@conn saunders - I have an idea for the film’s opening scene: Amanda enters the apartment on the night of Nov 1. She explains to Meredith that Raffaele’s faucet has a leak and she’s getting a mop. She hears a noise in Philomena’s room and goes to investigate. Rudy Guede appears. Amanda screams and runs as Guede chases her. Meredith runs after Guede. The two girls fight Guede, he goes down, unconscious. Amanda grabs Meredith by the arm, tries to pull her towards the door - but Meredith won’t budge. Amanda: “C’mon, we have to get out of here.” Meredith: “Amanda -“ Amanda: “He might wake up! We have to get out -“ Meredith: “AMANDA! This isn’t how it happened.” Amanda: “Yes it is! I came home, we fought him, I got you out. Now come -“ Meredith: “Amanda -“ Amanda: “Don’t!” Meredith: “Amanda, you need to -“ Amanda: “NO!” (The camera focuses on Amanda’s face, which is filled with panic and terror) “No, God, please! Don’t make me wake up!” Then she does wake up. She’s lying on her bunk in her cell at Capanne Prison. It was a dream of what she wished had been.
@xman559 I just don’t understand how people whose job it is to uncover the truth can hold on so firmly to a discredited hypothesis. Is it just ego, or are they afraid admitting they were wrong would hurt their careers?
Don't forget in Italy you're Guilty until Proven Innocent , so the stakes are a lot higher and you have no freedom you are stuck in Jail till your trial, they can hold you as long as they want.
@@rottierumbles9451 In Italy they can hold you in jail without formally bringing charges for up to one year. In the US, depending on the state, they have 48-72 hours to bring charges or they must let you go.
Joe, you are bloody awesome having such a broad range of content. My folks and I followed this case being Italians and New Zealanders, think the police just wanted to pin this on her and boost their careers which booth happened and couldn't back down cause how global it was. Thank god they are free.
That, and they couldn't admit they were wrong. Imagine the embarrassment after holding a press conference the day of the arrests and announcing "caso chiuso" and bragging about what a great job they did. Add to that they had rushed out and arrested Lumumba without doing a single bit of investigation, and had held him for 2 weeks despite Knox telling them in writing on Nov. 6 and 7 that it wasn't Lumumba. Local witnesses came forward to say they'd seen him in his bar and then a Swiss professor saying the same thing. It wasn't until the forensics came back showing the fingerprint in Kercher's blood didn't belong to him, etc that they were forced to release him. Of course, Knox gets blamed for that instead of the police who could have done their job first. They didn't even question Lumumba if he had an alibi before dragging him out of his home before dawn and accusing him of killing Kercher. TheMarasca court was correct when they said the investigation was incompetent.
@@MsLittleChristine The police already believed that a black man was involved because a suspected 'negroid hair' had been found near Kercher's genitals. It was later found to be a wool fiber. When the police officer (Rita Ficarra) was looking through Knox's phone that night, she found the text Knox had sent in reply to her boss (Patrick Lumumba) acknowledging his text to her not to come into work as it was slow. She texted back "“Ci vediamo piu tardi. Buona serata," which means "See you later. Good night". Knox had deleted his text to her but not hers to him. Ficarra jumped to the conclusion that this message meant Knox was literally going to see Lumumba later that night. That is when she decided to begin an official interrogation. The police now had a suspected black man connected to Kercher by the "negroid hair" (aka wool fiber). They interrogated Knox without a legally required lawyer present (found to be a violation of her rights by both an Italian Supreme Court in 2008 and the ECHR in 2019) and did not record the interrogation. So all we have is the police account vs Knox's account of what happened next. Knox denied meeting Lumumba but the police kept insisting she did and had taken him to the cottage. The interpreter, Anna Donnino, told Knox that she had "traumatic amnesia" and would remember "the truth" if she just kept trying, which she admitted to in court. This was also found to violate Knox's right by the ECHR as Donnino was only allowed to interpret, not work as an agent of the police. Whenever Knox denied this, she was yelled at, called a liar, threatened with prison if she didn't confess, and Knox says Ficarra smacked her twice on the back of the head. All this was illegal so no way would the police admit this happened. But ask yourself: why would the police not record this crucial interrogation when the room was set up to record? When the prosecutor was asked this during an interview, he claimed they didn't have "the budget' to record it. Yet he had recorded the pair secretly earlier in another room. The police kept asking her to imagine what might have happened and feeding her suggestions. In reality, it's what THEY believed had happened. After almost 3 hours, late at night, an exhausted Knox who began to believe she really did have amnesia finally agreed to what they said happened. This is called an 'internalized false confession": where the suspect comes to doubt their own memory and believe what they are being told 'really' happened. That is when the police got her to sign a statement they wrote up. Then they rushed out to arrest Lumumba without even interviewing him to see if he even had an alibi. Within a few hours, the Chief of Police stood on the station step and announced to the crown of journalists that "Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct. She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them in. They all participated but had different roles." This is evidence that the police had already decided what had actually happened and anything Knox said that didn't agree with that version was a lie. A person doesn't "buckle" unless they are under intense pressure. Later that day after recovering, Knox wrote a statement saying she had been very confused, frightened and exhausted and that she doubted what she had said had actually happened at all...that it was more like a dream and that she was more sure that she had been at her boyfriend's all evening and night. She gave this to the police.
@MsLittleChristine- there are two types of coerced confessions: 1. Compliant, in which the subject makes the statement in response to a threat. 2. Internal, when stress and exhaustion compels causes them to confuse imagined thoughts with memories. Amanda’s accusation had elements of both: The police told her she’d go to prison if she didn’t tell them who’d she’d met the night Meredith was murdered. They also screamed and hit her, and kept saying Patrick’s name until, finally, she thought she remembered hearing Patrick kill Meredith from the kitchen.
@@TheWchurchill4pm No. They didn't scream and hit her. The Italian police doesn't do that. Amanda lied again when she said this. So she heard him from the kitchen? So she was in the kitchen, right? Because her lie No. 238 is that she wasn't in the house after all. If you are accused of a murder you say the truth, and nothing but the truth, you don't make up one lie after the other.
It sounds like it was a terrible interview. Did he ask any questions around why she was the main suspect: her diary, behaviour in the police when they took her, insensitive comments witnesses spoke about? I don't see any of it being asked here
@@shonebx I think Joe did ask some of the questions. You shld watch it again. However, I'm more interested to know Amanda as a person than anything else in this interview. And she projected herself as a well centered person. I like her personality.
@@davesfoodfinds2087 Because she had no idea they suspected HER of the murder until they'd thrown her in prison. She thought she was just being helpful in finding Meredith's murderer.
Can’t help it but my sliders senses are saying you had something to do with it, the reactions and words that come out of her mouth don’t reflect a innocent person
Yes, "questioning your own sanity" is an actual thing that happens to people during interrogation, people literally end up confessing to crimes against people they've never even met... It's a legit psychological phenomenon that occurs. And FYI Amanda didn't even confess....Amanda is an inspiration.....the prosecution and the media harassed and literally made a disgusting fiction out of such a young girl (barely an adult), in a foreign country with less than child's communication skills...the legal system of Italy lied to a 20 year old, that she's HIV positive! They didn't even tell her what she was being imprisoned for! The media published her private diary..
@@gizzyguzzi She wasn't brought in, her boyfriend was called and she just went with him, when she was there she talked to the police and if you are not a suspect in Italy you don't need to have a lawyer, you can ask for one but you can still release a statement
Yeah, police are allowed to lie to get confessions. You think it's bad, but remember all people committing crimes lie when caught. At least 99 percent of them do. You wouldn't think it was so bad if police lied to get a confession of your mom's murderer.
I'm no expert, and i'm coming into this cold so to speak, but there's a lot here that just doesnt add up for me. The majority of what she says seems accurate/truthful but many things dont seem right about the details and specifics of the evening of the incident (and her inability to "remember" what happened or her continued reference to the "lack of evidence" of her presence). My guess is she was either high or implicit in some way.
Thank you I've benn saying this for years!! She was under the influence of a substance and did it! When this case came up there was no question that she was part of the murder!!! She's an ice cold psychopath!!
She had been smoking weed with her boyfriend the night of the murder. Weed was very, very common among the students there. Everyone who lived in that cottage, including Meredith, smoked it. There was no evidence placing her in the room where Kercher was killed: no DNA, no fingerprints, no bloody shoe or footprints...all of which were found belonging to Guede. Why would she be complicit in murdering a roommate she had known less than 2 months with a man she had only briefly met a couple times? She had served him a drink at the bar she worked at and he had tagged along to the apartment below for an hour or two when he ran into Knox, Kercher and the boys who lived in the lower apartment. He didn't even talk to her there as he was talking to the boys about liking her. There were no phone calls between them according to the phone records and no one had ever seen them together except on those two occasions. She had no motive to kill Kercher. The prosecution kept coming up with new motives from a satanic ritual sacrifice to jealousy, to fighting over house keeping, to joining in out of sheer evil, to theft. None of them ever stuck because there was no evidence supporting any of them.
@@81elpedro you really have to be a special type of stupid to think that she was involved when all the evidence shows that she had nothing to do with it. Thank fk your feelings aren't used in court cases because everyone would be fked
She didn't help herself with that smug look pic taken just after the crime. Her eyes gave her away. She was involved, maybe not the murder, but she was aware it was going on.
@@myview5840 and you got all of that from a look on her face, no proof, no facts ..... just a look on her face. Oh dear, you really can't make this shit up. You really are a special kind of stupid
That’s a different story, and it’s her families place to tell that. There’s no way a person who knew her only a couple weeks can be expected to do her justice.
hey joe .....why was amandas lamp in the murdered girls room ? the bedroom door is LOCKED....there are no footprints of a stopped person locking the persons door. ? you come home ...your door is open....theres blood on the tap of the bathroom and a footprint on a bath math....she takes a shower then shuffles into her room on a bath matt ??? you know all those menstruating women who bleed on the bathroom taps....and you know the way you dont call the police when you see all this...
Probably because Meredith borrowed it as Amanda had spent the last week at Raffaele's apartment and didn't need it. Meredith had one 60 watt light on the wall over her bed and one 40 watt table lamp on her bedside table. Her desk was not near either light so she probably had to unplug her table lamp and take it to her desk at night if she was doing homework there. How do I know about these lights? Because I read the police reports in the court documents. Amanda didn't know Kercher's door was LOCKED when she first went home to take a shower. Why would she try to open a roommate's door? She had called out and no one answered so she assumed no one was home. It was around 10:30 AM so not like it was 3:00 AM. Why would there have to be footprints of someone locking a person's door? Do you think footprints and shoeprints are left everywhere a foot or shoe touches? If so, they'd be so overlayed in the corridor where they walked everyday that they'd be completely unusable anyway. Finding the door open at a logical reason: the latch was broken and the wind would blow it open if just pulled shut and not locked with a key. She assumed one of the other girls had either forgotten to lock it or just ran out for a minute. There were 2 tiny drops of dried blood on the faucet which she assumed may have come from her infected ear piercing. Would two tiny drops of blood on a faucet make YOU think a roommate's been murdered? She didn't see the blood on the bathmat until AFTER she showered and it didn't look like a footprint, but just a pinkish watery blob. Do a google search for it see for yourself. Be sure it's one of the police photos and not one that's been enhanced to look darker. It's not like the bathroom was covered in blood. As people do, she looked for a plausible explanation: did Meredith have an accident and maybe ran to the pharmacy to get a bandage leaving the door unlocked? Did she have a menstrual accident? You sound like a man who has no idea just how heavy some women's flow can be on the first day. Why shouldn't she shuffle the few feet to her room on the mat as she was dripping wet and the floor was tile; tile is slippery when wet. She hadn't noticed when she got in the shower that all the towels were gone; Guede had taken them to Meredith's room. Why should she call the police when all she's seen at this point is her door open (logical explanation) and the kitchen/living area and her own room looked completely normal? There are a couple tiny drops of blood on the faucet (logical explanation), a watery blob of blood on the bath mat (plausible explanation), and she sees some feces in the other bathroom where she went to use the hair dryer. None of those is a reason to call the police. Police: What is your emergency? Amanda: I came home and my door with a broken latch that blows open with a gust of wind was open... Police: And? Amanda: I saw two tiny drops of dried blood on the faucet... Police: Two tiny drops of dried blood? And you need the police for that? Amanda: Well, then there's a watery splotch of blood on the bathmat and someone didn't flush the toilet! Police: Miss, we have more important things to do than figure out who didn't flush the toilet! (Mama mia! "Crazy Americans! )
Some people have to twist themselves into a pretzel and abandon logic in an attempt to make something out of nothing. If Knox had taken that lamp into Kercher's bedroom AT NIGHT and, according to the police, had all NIGHT to clean up, then it's impossible for her not to know her lamp was not in her own room as it was the ONLY source of light. It is entirely implausible that she would not be aware of her own dark room and equally implausible that she would not have retrieved it during the 11+ hours between the murder and the discovery of the body. Also implausible is, if she had left it in Kercher's room and only become aware of it later, that she would not have simply claimed Kercher had borrowed it as she was staying at her boyfriend's house so not using it.
I grew up 20 mins from where that happened, used to see Avery and his wild man beard on the tv in the background every morning before grade school and had no idea what it was about. So weird being older and watching it and finding out what it all was
The whole thing stinks. They convicted Brendan on an entirely different set of circumstances than Steven, for the same murder. Anyone who thinks Making a Murderer is a whodunnit murder mystery is missing the point entirely.
The US does not recognize the calunnia conviction as a felony. In the US, she has no criminal record, much less a felony. Additionally, since the ECHR ruled the calunnia conviction was "unfair" due to Knox's rights having been violated, Italy had to pay Knox over $20,000 which they have done. Italy is also required to file an Action Plan detailing their plan to "rectify" it. If Italy fails to do so, the ruling also gives Knox the legal right to request a revision trial in which none of her statements from the Nov. 5/6 interrogation could be used as evidence. "Judges at the ECHR said the Italian government had failed to show that Knox’s restricted access to a lawyer had not “irreparably undermined the fairness of the proceedings as a whole”. “Ms Knox had been particularly vulnerable, being a foreign young woman, 20 at the time, not having been in Italy for very long and not being fluent in Italian,” the court noted." (The Guardian, 24 Jan., 2019) Les Grossman continues to lie as he's done for years. Pathetic.
I miss the days when I could watch joe rogan on youtube. Now I just listen on spotify. I know I can watch on spotify, but that's now how I use that app. I used to just stumble upon Joe's podcasts here and randomly find one interesting in the moment and wind up watching for 2 or 3 hours.
Your refusal to address the fact that not a single trace of Knox was found in Kercher's bedroom and attempt to redirect is duly noted. Also noted: your failure to acknowledge that only FIVE samples were taken in Romanelli's room while 160 were taken in Kercher's room.
How does a PR group affect the forensic evidence in a trial? Did it remove all traces of Knox's and Sollecito's invisible DNA and invisible fingerprints or their bloody foot/shoe prints?
@The hand Yes, we've gone over it and you continue to be intellectually dishonest. You dishonestly try to equate not finding a trace of Guede in Filomena's room WHERE NO STRUGGLE TOOK PLACE and where ONLY 5 SAMPLES WERE TAKEN to a room where allegedly 3 PEOPLE VIOLENTLY ASSAULTED AND HELD DOWN A FOURTH PERSON AND WHERE 160 SAMPLES WERE TAKEN. Again, you fail to mention that TWO forensic experts not paid by either the defense or the prosecution found the LCN DNA trace of Sollecito on one tiny hook to be the product of contamination by a third party due to the videotaped failure of the police scientific officers to collect the bra clasp until 6 weeks later after numerous people were in and out of that room and where objects had been tossed around AND where Stefanoni is taped touching that exact tiny bra hook with a visibly dirty and admittedly unchanged glove. How do you account for the DNA of at least 2 other men on that same tiny hook? Are you going to claim two other men touched that bra hook? WHERE are Sollecito's bloody shoe prints in Kercher's room? Where are his fingerprints? NOWHERE. Do you want to claim that he cleaned up all his other invisible DNA and fingerprints and only HIS bloody shoe prints? If so, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying. There is ZERO evidence either Knox or Sollecito left her lamp in Kercher's bedroom. Since Knox had NO OTHER SOURCE OF ARTIFICIAL LIGHT in her bedroom other than that lamp, logic says one of them would have noticed she had no light in her own bedroom during the multiple hours of darkness between the murder and dawn. Or do you think they just fumbled around in the dark? Use your brain.
Do you know the worst part of all of this? Nobody can even remember the name of the victim who was raped and murdered. All of a sudden Amanda Knox is now the victim. She still knew about it and didn't tell the full truth to the police.
You mean Meredith Kercher? You know, there can be more than one victim in a crime: the victim of the actual crime and the person/people wrongfully imprisoned and vilified for years for something they never did. People who have to deal with being insulted, called horrible names including 'psychopath', 'slut', and 'narcissist and who have to deal with every other consequence that results from being branded a killer for the rest of their lives. People who are judged by ignorant people who know virtually nothing about the actual facts of the case except for what they read in tabloids and on UA-cam. Meredith was a victim of Rudy Guede and Knox and Sollecito who were his victims as well. She had nothing to do with the murder.
I can dispute that. The victim was Meredith Kercher. So, at least one person knows. Honestly, if you're going to blame someone for "no one" knowing the victim's name, blame the media and the prosecutor. They were the ones who sensationalized and rhapsodized over Amanda Knox.
@@OnlyInItalyVideos No, she didn't. She knows she'll never get it the same way Raffaele was denied compensation because Italy will deny she was wrongfully convicted. What she received compensation for was from the ECHR ruling that her rights to a lawyer and a neutral translator were violated during her Nov. 5/6 interrogation.
I need to start listening to Amanda’s true crime podcast. I’d like to see her cover the Garrett Phillips Murder case (there’s a documentary about it on Hulu)
@@mytrip6991 yes I know, Amanda wasn't involved in the loss of Meridith, but her family still suffered the most out of all involved and more than Amanda's family .. The victims often get forgotten in horrific situations like this. We never speak of the actual killer.... Rudy and the actual victim . Just the sensationalised Amanda
100% I mean 100% My own family would try to say I was guilty and try to tell me I was insane and the police I was guilty. It’s scary what can happen when not one person has your back in the world. You do think you are insane
Read "the Monster of Florence" Mignini was the same prosecuter in Amanda's case. Mignini prosecuted 20 different innocent people ,(all acquitted) alot of them spent years in prison over Mignini's false allegations. He was also charged and convicted after that case for abuse of office.
Yes most of these posters are joe Biden voters. They have no clue who she is or what happened. Still don't understand why the British girls family are still blaming Amanda. DNA don't lie.
@@drwerwolfenstein7124 wtf lmao it's a trumpster so we know he eats his own poop. makes sense, right? such a bizarre and irrational connection you have with reality
This case is similar to Making of a Murderer. Totally ludicrous and its hard to understand how or why some prosecutors, judges, media personalities seemingly enjoy punishing obviously innocent people.
Her case was when I realized that journalistic integrity was dead. Our American press had her tried and convicted, without doing any research, just repeating what the Italian press wrote. And I believed them. Then I read an article about the case in Rolling Stone magazine and it blew the case wide open for me. It was then that I saw how her story was manipulated, and that she was innocent.
Les Grossman claims : "People need to remember that #amandaknox is a convicted felon for putting #patricklumumba in jail. She'll always be a second-class citizen." In the US, Knox is not a convicted felon as the US does not recognize demation as a criminal offense but as a civil torte. The ECHR ruled in 2019 that Knox's conviction was 'unfair' due to Italy violating her rights to a lawyer and to an unbiased interpreter during her interrogation. They ordered Italy to pay Knox 18,400 euros which Italy has done. They also directed Italy to file and Action Plan on how they will rectify her "unfair" conviction. The ECHR is still awaiting this Action Plan.
Imagine if I think you did something incriminating and led a hound of media and corrupt justice system to convince that you are. I bet you’d believe in it too.
1) She was there last June, not 'right now'. 2) In 2014, she said she'd never go back to Italy willingly to face a prison sentence after her second conviction. That verdict was overturned in 2015 so no prison sentence still exists. 3) Knox was in Italy to attend an Italian legal forum as an invited speaker in Milan in 2019.
This is exactly what the prosecution did in this case: they had tunnel vision and as the Supreme Court that annulled the conviction said, they had a severe case of "investigative amnesia".
@@Myrzghe You're thinking of the Monster of Florence. MIgnini screwed that one up big time, too. He accused over 20 people of being involved in a satanic ring. All were acquitted. He claimed a doctor (Dr. Narducci) was involved and his body was switched out of his coffin! He even accused a journalist (Mario Spezi) and an American writer (Douglas Preston) of either being involved or being in cahoots to plant evidence. Neither was true. He arrested Spezi and kept him illegally in jail for 3 weeks, refusing to let him speak to a lawyer, until a judge ordered him to release him. He threatened to charge Douglas with a crime unless he left Italy ...which he did the next day with his family because he thought Mignini was nuts.
It’s not fair that we live in a society with both telemarketing AND social media ads. We may as well have one, just because life isn’t supposed to be fair. But having BOTH is a socially-constructed injustice.
RIP Meredith, what a horrific story.
Amanda Knox? That was one I didn't see coming Joe.
Agreed
FOR REAL!!!!!!!!
Just wait next he’s going to do a video call with Chris Watts lol
Yeah, I was rlly surprised.
@@tommyoneill9761 greetings it is i
"how well did you know this girl Meredith"? Is anyone ever going to show respect for Meredith Kercher? Rest in peace Meredith.
Well said
The only person not showing Meredith respect is Guede who has never, ever taken responsibility for sexually assaulting and murdering her.
@@mytrip6991 What?
@@breakfast917 Perhaps I misunderstood what you were trying to say. Do you mean Rogan was not showing respect to Meredith?
How was that disrespectful?
I was backpacking through europe when this was going, It was everywhere. The details being printed seemed so twisted and absurd it was impossible to figure out what the hell had actually happened.
She did it dummy with her psycho boyfriend
I lived with a girl who was friends with Meredith whilst on my year abroad in Madrid...was big news at the time. Poor girl
Yeah Ive seen this case many times, even tried watching documentaries and timelines about it, but it is such a clusterfuck that Im still confused as hell.
In the UK we just feel like Meredith was completely forgotten in the story.
She didn’t kill her.
She wasn't forgotten but what does that have to do with Knox's and Sollecito's guilt or innocence?
I think Sollecito was just as "forgotten" by many people as Kercher. You can blame the media for that. It's the Brit tabloids like The Sun and Daily Mail and the Italian papers that made this about Knox because that's what sold.
We've got a couple of books from the Old Palace School library my sister never gave back that have a record in their checkout log of Meredith borrowing them. Quite spooky really. I have no idea how we ended up having them, when Meredith was killed my sister had already left the school, must've been dumb luck.
Unfortunately the most forgotten person is Rudy Guede.
@@TangoNevada Yes, the sole killer of Meredith who left his copious forensic evidence around, in, and on her body.
Damien from Mean girls: "Say crack again."
Joe: "Crack."
Azz crack.
Lol
According to the FINAL VERDICT of the Italian courts:
1) Knox was guilty of and did 4 years for falsely accusing her boss for the murder of Meredith Kercher.
2) Knox and Sollecito were in the cottage at the time of the murder.
3) Due to the lack of defensive wounds and the use of 2 different sized blades to kill Meredith at least 2 persons were involved in the murder.
4) Rudy Guede was found guilty of murder and did not act alone. Knox even admitted this to Joe Rogan.
5) The other assailant/s identities remain a mystery.
6) Sollecito's and Meredith's DNA were found on one of the alleged murder weapons: a kitchen knife found in Sollecito's apartment cutlery drawer. It had been disinfected with bleach.
But that evidence was seen as non conclusive because hey their respective DNA could have gotten there any random way.
7) Sollecito's DNA was found on Meredith's bra clasp which had been sliced from her bra. But that evidence was seen as non conclusive because the bra clasp had been hidden on Meredith's floor for weeks after the murder and Sollecito's DNA could have landed on the bra clasp any other way. Even though Sollecito didn't live in the cottage and supposedly never went in to Meredith's room. But ok.
8) Amanda's DNA was also found in Meredith's room and Filomena's room. Even though she denied being in either the room of the murder or the room of the staged burglary......but that was also seen as inconclusive.
So a lot of interesting coincidences. But that's all they are my friends.
Guilty! And the bill is overdue. The 'collector' is coming soon. :)
@@lesgrossman1274 I am the 'collector'.
1) "Knox was guilty of and did 4 years for falsely accusing her boss for the murder of Meredith Kercher."
Nope. She was finally sentenced to THREE years, not four.
Marasca MR, pg 56: "Recalculates the sentence imposed upon appellant Amanda Maria Knox for the crime of calumny in three years of confinement."
2) "Knox and Sollecito were in the cottage at the time of the murder."
Based on solely on her calunnia false confession, which, curiously, never mentions Sollecito being there.
3) "Due to the lack of defensive wounds"
Kercher had 3 defensive wounds on her hands. The same knife could have made all the knife wounds on Kercher.
"b. That detected at the level of the palm of the right hand and the II and III fingers of the left hand can be traced back to possible "defensive injuries" occurred in an invalid attempt to oppose the knife."
(Lalli autopsy report, pg. 68_
4) "...and the use of 2 different sized blades to kill Meredith at least 2 persons were involved in the murder"
Prof. F. Vinci's assessment of the wounds completely disagreed:
" All the stab wounds reported by Meredith Kercher are
perfectly compatible with the use of a single knife whose dimensions are comparable to the traces found on the mattress cover in the room of the victim and referred to in frames n.171, 173 and 174 (progressive numbering of the images collected on the DVD prepared by the Scientific Police."
(Vinci Report, June 30, 2009, pg 31_)
5)"4) Rudy Guede was found guilty of murder and did not act alone. Knox even admitted this to Joe Rogan."
LOL! Knox agreed that is what Guede was convicted of, not that he did not, in fact, 'act alone'.
6) "5) The other assailant/s identities remain a mystery."
There were no other assailants which is why zero evidence of any person except Guede and Kercher was found in her bedroom.
7) "6) Sollecito's and Meredith's DNA were found on one of the alleged murder weapons: a kitchen knife found in Sollecito's apartment cutlery drawer."
LOL! Are you freaking kidding me? Sollecito's DNA was NEVER claimed to be on the knife, not even by the prosecution or Police Scientifc Officr Stefanoni who did the analysis. Amanda's was found...because she used the knife to cook with.
8) "It had been disinfected with bleach."
Again, LOL! If it was cleaned with bleach, then how the hell could Stefanoni claim Kercher's DNA was on the blade? BLEACH DESTROYS DNA. That's why it's used to clean lab. Your claims just get more and more stupid.
9) "7) Sollecito's DNA was found on Meredith's bra clasp which had been sliced from her bra. "
Nope. The conclusion of the two independent, court appointed forensic experts:
" we do not accept the conclusions regarding the certain attribution of the profile found on trace B (blade of knife) to the victim Meredith Susanna Cara Kercher, since the genetic profile, as obtained, appears unreliable insofar as it is not supported by scientifically validated analysis" (Conti & Vecchiotti report, ITEM 36 (KNIFE))
10)..."But that evidence was seen as non conclusive because the bra clasp had been hidden on Meredith's floor for weeks after the murder and Sollecito's DNA could have landed on the bra clasp any other way. Even though Sollecito didn't live in the cottage and supposedly never went in to Meredith's room. But ok."
It wasn't non-conclusive at all and the clasp wasn't 'hidden'; it was found across the room in a pile of dust and dirt 6 WEEKS LATER. But how was it likely contaminated? Gee...maybe because the police video shows the incompetent scientific police Stefanoni TOUCHING IT WITH HER DIRTY GLOVE THAT SHE ADMITTED SHE HAD NOT CHANGED AFTER TOUCHING OTHER OBJECTS, DROPPING IT ON THE FLOOR, AND THEN PASSING IT AROUND TO OTHER OFFICERS WITH THEIR DIRTY GLOVES? But, OK
11) "8) Amanda's DNA was also found in Meredith's room and Filomena's room. Even though she denied being in either the room of the murder or the room of the staged burglary......but that was also seen as inconclusive."
Oh, dear. NONE of Amanda's DNA was found in Meredith's room! No DNA, no fingerprints, not foot-shoe prints...nada:
"However, a matter of undoubted significance in favour of the appellants, in the sense that it excludes their material participation in the murder, even if it is
hypothesised that they were present in the house on via della Pergola, CONSISTS OF THE ABSOLUTE LACK OF BIOLOGICAL TRACES ATTRIBUTABLE TO THEM (except the clasp which will be
dealt with further on) IN THE MURDER ROOM OR ON THE VICTIM'S BODY, where instead numerous traces attributable to Guede were found.
It is indisputably IMPOSSIBLE that traces attributable to the appellants would not have been found at the crime scene had they taken part in Kercher’s murder (the room was of small dimensions: 2.91 x 3.36 m, as shown in the plan reproduced in f: 76)."
(Marasca-Bruno Report, pg 47-48)
Try again.
@@mytrip6991 She did four years in prison. You may leave now.
@@mytrip6991 Jeez they really are paying you by the word. Good luck affording those rising bills. I'm feel bad for you that soon the McCann case will be aired for all to see and such trolling won't work anymore. Not that you are convincing anyone anyway haha
What an amazingly wise, knowledgeable, and patient interviewer!! He’s humble and allows the interviewees to speak as they wish.
Best format ever to find what his guests are all about
They sound like old friends.
New here lol?
I wanna see Joe interview OJ
You just did lol
Yea this is basically the same thing
Ray Lewis
Haha implying you think she’s guilty ?
@@zeeseeds8151 hahah seriously ?
Joe exhales heavily into the microphone to show how serious this episode is
Or to show how horse worm medicines stole his ability to nayyyyy
yo its 4 d radio peeps
I love when he does that.
@@icanfartloud Hysterical
DMT side effect
This is the most authentic I've ever seen her.
One of your best yet Joe
Wow, she's killing it.
Literally
Lol
she's killed it already
Sometimes you just gotta take a stab at it
Underrated Comment
I remember how much clamor this story had in Italy. I was just a boy at the time and didn't really understand what had happened, but it must have been one of the most famous cases of my generation. And here I am now, scared by the fact that, through all those spotlights, I have never heard this girl speak.
Interesting note. This is an example of tyranny.
Truth
The allergy of tyranny
🔪🔪🔪
It goes to show just how powerful the media is. From propaganda to speculation to embedding thoughts and emotions you wouldn't otherwise have... it's really really scary actually. I shouldn't just say media but government actors in society etc. There's been huge atrocities committed by group think.
(Found the word/ answer I was really looking for through rambling lol) GROUP THINK... IT IS dangerous!
I remember in 1st grade someone tagged on the teachers stuff and she asked us all to write on a piece of paper so she could compare our handwriting. Jokingly I used the same crayon as the tagging and the teacher actually got me in trouble for the tagging which I didn't even do! That's when I realized you can be accused and convicted of a crime you never committed. I learned that in the 1st grade.
Then when I was like 14 I had to pay for a laptop I didn't even break with two other kids and I was like well what if it was this other kid broke it too because if I blamed him then we would split the cost between 3 kids instead of just two. So basically I took someone down with me just because I was accused to have less punishment.
So twice accused and prosecuted for things I did not do! I was never found innocent 🤷♀️
Rest in peace, Meredith Kercher.
R.I.P Meredith ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
LMAO
R.I.P Meredith.
@Nik Palmira I was laughing at the bot, they get worse and worse every time
Absolutely Tang-may our lovely English beauty be at peace finally 💖💖💖!
@@monicanath4859 I agree with you about the murder case, but hate to tell you that Tang is a bot not a real person, UA-cam is getting plagued with them at the mo.
Get Joosey Smooulayyy next on the show!
You know who I'm talking about...Very French actor....
😭🤣 classic
ua-cam.com/video/9OMC1iGd9Co/v-deo.html
Breaking..unbelievablek
Juicy Smallest
Justice for juicy.
I'm from Italy and I was 10 when this case happened. I remember very clearly the 4 to 5 years that followed the fact, all the news and the media talked exclusively about Amanda and the whole case, at least 4 times a week. It was exhausting to say the least.
@PowerfulJRE Forget the media forget that she's American for a moment and make a timeline of all the events in detail of both her version and Rudy Guede's, then make your own opinion. The very few people who really did their homework know that she and Sollecito know more than they let out.
I have and it supports she's telling the truth. Even Guede's timeline supports Kercher was attacked shortly after arriving home and just about 30-40 minutes after the cartoon playing on Sollecito's computer stops. But in that short time, they go from watching a cartoon to deciding to go to her apartment for some unknown reason, picking up a guy that Sollecito has never met and Knox has met briefly, to sexually assaulting and murdering a girl for no reason. Yeah, right.
How do you explain the complete and total absence of any forensic evidence of Knox or Sollecito in that room while there is varied and copious forensic evidence of Guede? Guede who had a very clear motive and a history of theft?
@@mytrip6991 In order to believe that Knox and Sollecito are innocent, you have to overlook the following:
Knox's accusation against her employer, a claim she made after less than TWO HOURS of being interviewed (not 40, like Team Knox would have you believe - this is a proven fact) and stuck to for 3 weeks, letting her innocent boss rot in jail all the while.
The fact that Meredith Kercher’s blood was found mixed inside Knox’s fresh DNA in 5 different spots in the bathroom.
The fact the Knox was bleeding on the day of the murder, and left blood smeared in the bathroom, blood which she herself admits was not there the day before.
Sollecito’s DNA on Meredith’s bra clasp - with a 16 loci match, the probability that the DNA belongs to someone else is one in a trillion, and with only ONE other DNA trace of him in the cottage (cigarette butt) the idea of contamination is near impossible.
Knox’s DNA on the handle of the murder weapon and Meredith’s on the blade. Sollectio tried to explain this by saying he had accidentally pricked Meredith with his knife while she had been at his house. She had never been there.
The THREE sets of bloody footprints, one a match for Guede, one a match for Sollecito, and one in Knox’s size, in her own DNA, mixed with Meredith’s.
The single bloody footprint on the bathmat, which is a perfect match for Sollecito, and also, being the only bloody footprint with no others around it, is undisputed proof a clean up happened.
The blatantly staged crime scene, with glass on TOP of the clothes strewn around, a near impossible window entry point, and not a single trace of Guede anywhere in that room, not to mention the fact Knox and Sollecito ‘knew’ nothing had been taken before anyone had even looked.
The fact that Guede’s footprints lead right out Meredith’s room out the front door and he has an alibi for the rest of the night, meaning we KNOW it wasn’t Guede who returned to the scene hours later, staged a burglary, cleaned up and moved the body.
The fact that Knox’s lamp was found in Meredith’s room with no fingerprints whatsoever - more proof of a clean up.
The incredible amount of changes in her account before, during, and after she was arrested.
Total lack of alibi after multiple attempts, and then Sollecito withdrawing his alibi for her.
Her dubious account of her activity the morning after the murder, including her lies about Meredith’s locked door, her reaction to the blood, and the contradictions to this she makes in her testimony, email home, and in her book.
The fact Knox knew several details about her murder she could not possibly have known: cause of death, position of body, that there had been more than one attacker, that Meredith had been assaulted etc.
The frantic call she made to her mother in the middle of the night that she ‘forgets’ making.
The witness who saw her and Sollecito by the cottage on the murder night.
The shopkeeper who saw her when she claimed to be in her bed sleeping.
And I can go on, and on, and on. My point is that, whatever opinion people have as to their guilty or innocence, there is enough evidence to convict, and however many times those claims of “no evidence" are repeated, it doesn't make it true
@@RYANTHEORY_ When you need to copy and paste Troll Les Grossman's misleading post, that tells me a lot. I've addressed this particular one before. I'll post it here. I suggest you read it and learn:
" The fact that Meredith Kercher’s blood was found mixed inside Knox’s fresh DNA in 5 different spots in the bathroom."
When DNA is deposited cannot be dated. That is a scientific fact. Finding the mixed DNA of people who live together and share the same bathroom is common and expected. The DNA does not have to be left at the same time and can be day, weeks or months apart. They become mixed when the sample swab wipes up both sets of DNA. It's like taking a yellow crayon and coloring over a red crayon marking; you'll get orange.
"less than TWO HOURS of being interviewed "?
The official beginning time of that interrogation was 11:00 but questioning actually began closer to 10:30 per the testimony of Ficarra who was the interrogator. The first statement was at 1:45. Unless "Mike Hunt" uses different math than the rest of us, that is not 'under TWO HOURS".
"The fact the Knox was bleeding on the day of the murder, and left blood smeared in the bathroom, blood which she herself admits was not there the day before."
Two small drops on the faucet were not proved to be deposited on the day of the murder. Just because Knox says she didn't see it on Nov. 1 is not proof it wasn't there. Logic says if she had seen it, she'd have cleaned it up. At the very least, she'd have lied and said she saw it but forgot to clean it. No wounds or cuts were found on Knox.
"Sollecito’s DNA on Meredith’s bra clasp"....along with the DNA of at least two other unidentified men. Did those two men also touch MK's bra hook? Two independent, court appointed...not police...forensic experts (Conti and Vecchiotti) determined that DNA was not reliable evidence and most likely due to contamination resulting from the egregious failure to follow anti-contamination protocols by the police.
"the idea of contamination is near impossible". Not according to the police video which shows the hook being touched by a visibly dirty glove, handed around to several officers also wearing gloves that Stefanoni admitted were not changed between handling evidence.
"Knox’s DNA on the handle of the murder weapon and Meredith’s on the blade"
Meredith's DNA was not on the blade as concluded by two independent, court assigned forensic experts. Experts who had more advanced degrees in forensics and more experience then Stefanoni who claimed MK's DNA was on the blade. Nor was any blood found on the knife after repeated testing. The only way to remove all traces was by soaking in bleach...which would have destroyed any existing DNA.
"The single bloody footprint on the bathmat, which is a perfect match for Sollecito"
Not according to Prof. Vinci who used Crimescope, a forensic lighting tool used to make photos more visible, and who also examined the mat in person, neither of which the prosecution expert did. He excluded Sollecito.
"and also, being the only bloody footprint with no others around it, is undisputed proof a clean up happened."
There is no forensic evidence of a clean up. None. Logic says that, if that were Sollecito's print, the pair would have removed the rug or at least washed it. Instead, they pointed it out to the police.
i could continue with the rest of his lies, but i think I've proved what a liar he is.
RIP Meredith 🙏💜
We Brit's and Italians all know the truth.
Exactly
Which is…? (Serious question, curious to hear the general sentiment on the other side of the globe)
@@ryanwagner7980
Yankee dollars don't just talk - they lie.
@@ryanwagner7980
Please don't take that as a trite statement. Would OJ Simpson have got off if he had been poor, would Micheal Jackson ?
one of the most interesting podcasts I have heard in a long time. Great Stuff Joe.
How many Joe's are there?
He needs more content like this!!!!! I’m kinda bored with some of his more recent guests.
@@jimparsons4312 yeah I kind of get bored with the MMA fighters to be honest but he gets some amazing guests
@@jimparsons4312
Just how many cold blooded murderers are there walking around free ?
I agree. Very eyeopening and inspiring.
A serious of unfortunate coincidences lead people to think she’s guilty.
1. Meredith had cut her finger on Raffaele’s vegetable knife, leaving her blood on it.
2. Raffaele spilt some water in the early hours of the morning following the murder, which meant Amanda had to buy two tubs of bleach and fetch her mop first thing in the morning.
3. The next morning blood from Amanda’s ear bled into Meredith’s blood in the sink area making it look like their was a struggle between the two.
4. Amanda has this whacky zaney personality than makes her display all the traits of a liar but actually she’s just neurodivergent.
5. Amanda and Raffaele turned their phones of that night for the first time making them look suspicious.
I could list more. The poor girl is just couldn’t get a break when it came to all these coincidences piling up.
"1) Meredith had cut her finger on Raffaele’s vegetable knife, leaving her blood on it.'
Repeated tests found no blood on the knife. (Forensic reports Stefanoni and Conti/Vecchiotti)
"2. Raffaele spilt some water in the early hours of the morning following the murder, which meant Amanda had to buy two tubs of bleach and fetch her mop first thing in the morning."
Knox never bought any bleach. (Testimony Quintavalle store owner, no bottles found in cottage, no evidence of a clean up per court records)
"3. The next morning blood from Amanda’s ear bled into Meredith’s blood in the sink area making it look like their was a struggle between the two."
No wounds were found on Knox per doctor examination Nov. 6, 2007. No evidence of a struggle between Knox and Kercher.
"4. Amanda has this whacky zaney personality than makes her display all the traits of a liar but actually she’s just neurodivergent."
What are 'all the traits of a liar'? Those things that you believe are lies because you see everything through guilt colored glasses?
"5. Amanda and Raffaele turned their phones of that night for the first time making them look suspicious"
Yeah, having a new romantic relationship and not wanting to be disturbed or called into work when being unexpectedly given the night off due to slow business is just so....so...so....illogical. New lovers would never do that!
"I could list more. The poor girl is just couldn’t get a break when it came to all these coincidences piling up."
Yeah. Like what are the chances that not a single piece of forensic evidence could place Knox in the room where Kercher was violently sexually assaulted and stabbed to death with a knife? But Guede left bloody shoeprints under and around the body, fingerprint/palm print in blood under the body, and his DNA in her body, on her clothes, and in blood on her purse? Go figure.
@@mytrip6991 “No evidence of Meredith’s blood on the knife”. And yet we know it had been there because Rafa told us she’d had a vegetable chopping accident. Likewise, for Amanda’s ears. She told us they were all leaky. How unfortunate in both cases. All that blood getting spread around.
I’ve seen you replying to every comment on every knox video. Literally thousands of comments in total. I can only asssume you’re employed by her team.
@@petelovatt8357 LOL! Sure. Whatever.
@@petelovatt8357 amanda knox's team is on the offence. I think that they are trying to win people over to their cause,because in 2024 rudy guede also might write a book.
@@Hangar.18 Unfortunately, Rudy has changed his story a few times just like Amanda and Raf., so he has no credibility either. However, I think if you wade through the lies there are a few truths in there. He said he knew Raf and they’d smoked weed together. He also said an argument broke out between the girls because Meredith accused Amanda of stealing her money. I can see this being true as well.
If Rudy gives us the same chit about “it all happened while I was on the toilet” then his book won’t count for much. However, if he decides to own up AND include Amanda and Raf’s involvement, then he’s probably hovering closer to the truth than any version of the story yet. I wouldn’t count on it though. He’s a turd.
Why did she accuse her Black boss of the murder? He was easily cleared, he was catering to his patrons when the crime occurred. She also lied about being in her apartment that night and seeing Lumumba there, when in fact she was with Solecito.
This is a web of lies, and she only has herself to blame for what happened after. It was obvious she though Italy would be like the USA where it's enough to blame some black guy to walk free.
1). She didn't bring up her boss, Patrick Lumumba; the police did. The police misinterpreted her text to him acknowledging his text telling her not to come to work that night. She said "Ok, see you later. Good night". The police insisted that meant she planned a meeting with him "later" that night. She denied repeatedly that she had met him or taken him to the cottage but the police calling her a liar. The interpreter told her she had 'traumatic amnesia" and that she'd remember "the truth" if she just kept trying. She had no lawyer which was legally required and the interrogation was not audio or video recorded. The police wrote up the "confession" and she signed it after being worn down. That confession was ruled to be inadmissible in the murder trial due to her right to a lawyer being violated. This is all in the court records.
Your need to resort to allegations of racism just shows you have little knowledge of the facts of the case. You do know the actual, convicted, just released from prison murderer--Rudy Guede-- is black? If she were involved she'd know that and, according to you, just have named him if all she wanted was to blame a black guy.
@The Hand 1) "She had the opportunity to say her statement was false. She let him stay in jail. To this day, she has not apologized."
False. She said in her written statement, aka First Memorial" given to the police the very same day that "In regards to this "confession" that I made last night, I want to make clear that I'm very doubtful of the veritity [sic] of my statements because they were made under the pressures of stress, shock and extreme exhaustion. Not only was I told I would be arrested and put in jail for 30 years, but I was also hit in the head when I didn't remember a fact correctly. I understand that the police are under a lot of stress, so I understand the treatment I received," and "However, it was under this pressure and after many hours of confusion that my mind came up with these answers. In my mind I saw Patrik in flashes of blurred images. I saw him near the basketball court. I saw him at my front door. I saw myself cowering in the kitchen with my hands over my ears because in my head I could hear Meredith screaming. But I've said this many times so as to make myself clear: these things seem unreal to me, like a dream, and I am convinced that they unsure if they are real things that happened or are just dreams my mind has made to try to answer the questions in my head and the questions I am being asked. But the truth is, I'm unsure about the truth and here's why: " In these flashbacks that I'm having I see Patrik as the murderer, but the way the truth feels in my mind, there is no way for me to have known, because I don't remember FOR SURE if I was at my house that night."
She is clearly stating that what she said in her 'confession' isn't reliable, including about Patrick. Yet the police kept him in jail with ZERO evidence against him for two weeks.
She had no lawyer which was against both Italian and EU law and the interrogation had no audio or video recording.
2) She also DID apologize to Lumumba in court November 30, 2007:
“I want to tell the truth. I’m sorry about Patrick. I’m sorry about the whole situation. I’m innocent.”
She apologized to him again in her Dec. 11, 2010 appeal statement in court:
"Patrick? I don’t see you. But I’m sorry. I’m sorry because I didn’t mean to do wrong to do you. I was very naïve and not courageous at all; I should have been able to withstand the pressures that caused me to do harm to you. I didn’t mean to contribute to what you have suffered. You know what it means to have unjust accusations imposed on your skin. You didn’t deserve what you experienced and I hope you will be able to find peace.”
3) "The court said that she is guilty of defamation, but you blame the police. Concerning the judgement of the court, you want it both ways."
Not the same Supreme Court, that was the Chieffi SC that also sent the case back again to Nencini basically with instructions to convict the pair. Which they did.
The ECHR has ruled that her defamtion conviction is 'unfair' as her statements were made during an illegal interrogation without a lawyer or a neutral translator. Italy had to pay her $21,000 in compensation and must present a plan on how they will rectify it.
4) "The monster in this murder is not the black guy Guede. The monster in this murder is the white woman Knox. Racism is why people are interested in this incident and why white people defend her."
What a load of crap. GUEDE killed Kercher. It was HIS DNA inside her, on her jacket, on her bra and in her blood on her purse. It's HIS fingerprints in her blood. It's HIS bloody shoeprints under and around her body. You just need an excuse NOT to blame a black man for your own agenda. ALL the evidence points directly to him.
5) " It is a pitiable denial of guilt and a hideous appeal to racist tendencies."
I've got news for you: sometimes black people ARE guilty just like people of any other color, ethnicity or religion. You clearly are the one with a race problem. It's not we who look at the evidence and not the color of Guede's skin.
@The Hand LOL! They smoked some weed like everyone else, including Kercher, the Italian roommates, and the boys who lived downstairs. Weed doesn't turn you into homicidal maniacs; it's a depressant. You get the munchies and relaxed..mellow. Their hair tests taken upon their arrests showed NO NARCOTICS of any kind in their systems. Unlike blood and urine, hair does not lose its traces of drugs over time.
The prosecution's many unproven and bizarre motives that were changed more often than underwear were insulting. Y
So tell me what EVIDENCE puts them in Kercher's bedroom where the murder took place.
@The Hand I did read your statement and your use of "high on drugs" instead of "marijuana" was, I believe, intentional. You do have 'knowledge of their ingestion' now thanks to me: they had no narcotics in their system. As I said, weed makes you relaxed and with a hazy memory; it does not lead to suddenly and without motive killing someone.
Their alibi before the illegal and coercive interrogation of Nov. 5/6 was that they spent the evening at RS's apartment watching a movie, eating dinner, and going to bed. It was still their alibie after retracting their coerced and illegally obtained statements during the interrogation.
"It allows multiple possibilities and it allows denial."
What a silly statement.
" The LAPD framed OJ but he still murdered his wife."
At least we agree to that. But there was also sufficient evidence of his guilty without the disputed evidence of Mark Fuhrman. That jury was not going to convict him if they had a video of the murder in front of them.
Speaking of dishonest cops, Science Officer Stefanoni failed to reveal in court the fact that ALL the luminol revealed 'footprints' assigned to Knox in the cottage tested NEGATIVE for blood with TMB. It took a defense expert witness to find and present in court the negative tests that Stefanoni had run. Yet Stefanoni repeatedly used the term "luminol revealed' suggesting they were, indeed, made in Kercher's blood. So much so that Judge Massei, even after acknowledging that the blood tests were negative, claimed they were in Kercher's blood!
One thing I will say is I hope Merediths family find peace one day.
Her family thinks she is guilty and helped murder their daughter.
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Breaking..unbelievable.
@@kayhawkins5925 and some people think the world is flat, just because someone thinks something, doesn’t make it true.
@@travislee9396 You don't know the truth, actually NONE of us do.
@@travislee9396 You are talking about the murdered girls parents who followed every single shred of evidence of the case and the investigation.
For people that are not trained to resist interrogation after 24 hours of constant interrogation you won’t even remember the truth once the hunger fatigue fear and delirium sets in
yup thats true af
But she didn't experience 24 hours of constant interrogation. That claim, like much of what Knox claims about the trial, is an outright fabrication
That’s true except she willingly was interrogated for a short time. Like 4 hours. I’ve had a 14 hour work day in the Chicago winter outside and it never caused me to hallucinate
You have to be trained so as to only answer with truth or information that you are aware of. You cannot answer speculative questions and for most questions your answer is just going to be no comment as you truly are not going to be able to answer the question.
Hunger fatigue?
Do you even know where Italy is? It is not Afghanistan…..it’s the western world. She was not tortured.
This case reminds me of the "Beatrice 5" case here in Nebraska. The local sheriff's department and court system convicted 5 people of a murder using interrogation dirty tricks and fabricated evidence. The higher courts released all 5 people after a man already imprisoned confessed to the crime and gave details that only the perpetrator would know about. The 5 people received a court settlement worth millions of dollars but not one cent has thus far been collected, one of 5 died in an accident after his release.
I literally didn’t know about this case until I saw the “Mind Over Murder” documentary
Beatrice 6
i’m from omaha and i have never heard of this
For a brilliant take on her case, read Malcom Gladwell’s ‘Talk to Strangers: The things we should know about the people we don’t know’
As a former officer trust me when I say, NEVER talk to the police without an attorney. Especially, if they say you are not a suspect they just want to gather some information. I’ll never forget day one on the job our police union president explained, if we ever get in trouble on the job (arrested,etc.) we should never speak to the investigating brass without FIRST calling our union-provided attorney . I remember that moment distinctly. I thought to myself, damn, if the POLICE themselves want an attorney present when they being interviewed by their fellow officers---- you better bet a citizen needs an attorney as well 🤷♀️. Also, never blow if being pulled over for a DUI.
Really I learned that lesson by chance. I watched cops and always saw the people who never said shit and didn’t do shit get out. I got pulled over , did not do an FST , did not blow, didn’t consent to blood, I spent the night in jail and the next day my lawyer had to get me my license back but I didn’t get a DWI! My lawyer gave me props and I even showed her how one can order new licenses online
@brandihillcom I can tell you must have been a good cop, because the only difference between a good cop and a bad cop - a good cop knows their job isn’t supposed to be easy.
Thank you for your service to your community 🇺🇸👮
@@utubedestroysmytime Cant they obtain a search warrant to draw blood if under suspicion of DUI?
Can I ask you to elaborate on what you meant by "never blow it being pulled over for DUI". I was under the impression that if you refuse a blow test when you've been pulled over due to suspicion of driving under the influence, that they'll just draw your blood when you get to the police stanytion...? Am I wrong about that? Thanks in advance!
@@KelleyBroussardMackaig @AnthonyGonzales sometimes they do pull a warrant for blood draw. which takes time (which is a good thing), generally it is only done when a fatality or significant bodily harm has occurred or say you yourself are too injured, unconscious to do the breath test.
There is a video on UA-cam of a nurse who they arrested because she Rightfully refused to draw blood of suspect without a warrant. The video is horrific to watch but I think she sued agency for incredible amount of money.
Taking someone’s body fluids is pretty fucking serious overreach-- asking hospital to do it without a warrant is insanity..
Generally speaking if you are respectful and easy going and just politely say something like “ respectfully, my aunt is an attorney she has advised me it’s in my best interest to not do the breathalyzer.” They will be cool. You are also telling them in a polite way you have representation (this is something most people they deal with can’t afford so it’s kinda like what’s the point she has an attorney that’s gonna get her off and I’m gonna be forced to sit in court over this- maybe they’ll juat be cool abd not make a big deal. Every officer will be different obviously.
A lot of states (Florida where I live ) will automatically suspend your drivers license when you refuse to take a breathalyzer. Sometimes officers will tell you this to “encourage” you to take the test. Juat know if you blow over the limit your license is gonna get suspended anyways 🤷♀️-- keep in mind if you remain respectful in courtroom too most judges will give you hardship license so you can atleast do your basic task such as take kids to school and go to work…. But it you blew some crazy high number and say you have a past dui or some other past traffic record they may be less likely to be as flexible. Essentially by not blowing you are giving the prosecutor less evidence to work with . Always being nice and respectful to officers and courts “yes mame no sir” etc helps alot!!!
This was such a big story in Italy, I was just a kid when it happened but it was on the news every single day, stuck in my memory now
@becibooable1 how can you be certain lol?
Yep it's Italy OJ Simpson trail
Idiots
Well, as someone who lived through the whirlwind trial... Do you think she’s innocent, Ousmane?
@becibooable1 you are cappin bro. 😂😂
Finally got her story straight
Where can I find the whole interview ?
Spotify
I remember looking into this years ago and being left with the idea that this girl knows way more than she claims.
Ahhh. Guilty it is then!
And now?
hard to call it out for sure, but she hid so many things and changed versions so many times that her self-proclaimed complete innocence is hard to believe
No one innocent would be doing cartwheels in court being accused of murdering her best friend
@@SaydeeEnward4500 her best friend...what
Wow!! I'm glad to see her now that she has fully grown. In the past she seemed to have no confidence and was so immature. Now, she is so articulate and possesses so much confidence.
She’s gonna be a wonderful mother.
it's a shame that Meredith did not have a chance to grow up
Yes Peter Rutkowski, Amanda has become so eloquent and outspoken since she was on drugs together with that creepy boyfriend of hers, named Rafael Sollecito.
You can just as well listen to Kate McCann in her first interviews after Madeleine "disappearance" and compare them to how she speaks and writes today. All society has to do in order to exonerate a psychopath, who has committed a crime, is to give him/her more and more time on social or MSM-media, as it will help him/her plenty of time to dupe whoever bothers to listen. Why in the first place, do such people feel the need to write a book in order to persuade the public about their innocence????
@@TheWchurchill4pm strange thing to say
@evie - since posting that, I met Amanda and we have become friends. I’ve met her husband and their daughter. When you see the way little Eureka looks at Amanda, you know she is being loved. I can’t believe someone who is capable of committing murder, then lying about it for years, can show a child that much love.
On Nov. 6, Knox gave the police a written statement wherein she describes the interrogation. There is no reason to think that Knox knew what police tactics are used to obtain confessions, specifically those associated with coerced-internalized false confessions. Yet her memorial clearly describes exactly those tactics:
'Coerced-internalized false confessions' are those in which an innocent person-anxious, sleep-deprived, confused, and subjected to a highly suggestive interrogation that often includes the presentation of false evidence-actually comes to believe that he or she committed the crime.”
Statements taken from Knox’s ‘first memoriale’ (1 M) written and given to police just hours after the interrogation ended:
ANXIOUS: “experiencing worry, unease, or nervousness, typically about an imminent event or something with an uncertain outcome:”
One can safely assume anyone being interrogated by the police about a murder…or any crime…would be ‘anxious’ regardless of guilt or innocence.
SLEEP-DEPRIVED
1) “I want to make clear that I’m very doubtful of the verity of my statements because they were made under the pressures of stress, shock and extreme exhaustion.” (1 M)
2) Aida Colantone, interpreter present on Nov. 4: “I understood that this girl was truly fatigued, exhausted, she was tired because I practically found her, she was draped on a seat with her head reclined toward the wall, white in the face, with her eyes closed, white, I was very struck by her pallor and I understood that this girl was in bad shape. [Transcript March 13, 2007 (page 88-89)]
3) Off. Rita Ficarra, on Nov. 5 at beginning of interrogation”
“The girl continued to talk and said that she was fed up with the fact that she was recalled multiple times by the police and that she was simply tired.” [Transcript February 28, 2009]
The night of Nov. 4, Knox was up until at least 3:30 AM. [email sent home at 3:24 AM.]
CONFUSED:
1) “In my mind there are things I remember and things that are confused.”
2) “However, it was under this pressure and after many hours of confusion that my mind came up with these answers”
3) “I'm very confused at this time.”
4) “ At first I was scared, offended, and confused.
5) “ Please don't yell at me because it only makes me more confused,”
6) “However, I admit that this period of time is rather strange, because I'm not quite sure.”
7) “These things I'm not sure about”
8) “But I've said this many times so as to make myself clear: these things seem unreal to me, like a dream, and I am unsure if they are real things that happened or are just dreams my mind has made to try to answer the questions in my head and the questions I am being asked. But the truth is, I'm unsure about the truth and here's why:”
[First memorial]
The one thing that is clear in this memorial is her confusion and uncertainty.
HIGHLY SUGGESTIVE INTERROGATION:
1) “Not only was I told I would be arrested and put in jail for 30 years, but I was also hit in the head WHEN I DIDN’T REMEMBER A FACT CORRECTLY.” (1 M)
Note the use of ‘correctly’. IOW: when she didn’t agree with what the police were telling her were the ‘facts’ such as she met and took Lumumba to the cottage.
2) Off. Rita Ficarra on believing Knox was meeting Lumumba that night:
“we asked who this Patrick was, and this seemed to us an appointment, see you later, certainly, in response to another message.” “This seemed to us an appointment, we’ll see each other later, sure, in response to the other. [Transcript February 28, 2009]
3) “A text message was found to have been sent at 8:35PM of November 1st by KNOX’s number 3484673590 to 3387195723, that of her co-defendant Patrick, in which she wrote “Ci vediamo dopo” [“See you later” or lit: “We’ll see each other after”] thus confirming that in the following hours KNOX would find herself with Patrick in the apartment where the victim was. [Decree for Arrest November 6, 2007]
4) Anna Donnino, interpreter during interrogation:
“Question: So in the ambit of your role in which you were mediator you then considered it worthwhile to recount to Amanda even your personal experience relating to the leg fracture etc.
Anna Donnino: Yes.”
[Transcript March 13, 2009]
5) From the ECHR judgement on Knox vs. Italy:
“[Knox] complained that she had not been provided with a professional or independent interpreter during her police interviews of 6 November 2007 and that the police employee who assisted her had played a role of “mediator”, encouraging her to imagine hypothetical scenarios.”
“Lastly, the Court explained that it could not overlook the ambiguity of the role played by the interpreter, who had been acting more as a “mediator”, even though she was not required to go beyond her interpreting duties.”
6) Knox spontaneous statement during trial in response to Aida Colantone’s testimony (March 19, 2009):
[Colantone told me that] “probably I didn't remember well because I was traumatised. So I should try to remember something else".
Why would Donnino need to mention her own traumatic amnesia if not to suggest to Knox that her inability to remember what happened was due to her also having traumatic amnesia?
PRESENTATION OF FALSE EVIDENCE:
1) “I have been told there is hard evidence saying that I was at the place of the murder of my friend when it happened.”
2) “I know that Raffaele has placed evidence against me, saying I left him during the night of Meredith's murder,”
3) “The police have told me that they have hard evidence that proves I was in the house, my house, at the time of Meredith's murder. I don't know what this proof is”
The police did not believe Sollecito's (coerced) account was false evidence, but Amanda was being told that her boyfriend said she'd gone out the night of the murder which she knew either had to be a lie or that she really did have amnesia and just couldn't remember. It made her doubt her own memory and that the police were right: she had gone out.
I’m waiting for Pingtrip’s edition of this, it’s going to be hilarious
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Joe Rogan gets mad at Alex Jones
It’s hilarious! 😡 😂 😆
To quote the Italian comedian Normo McDonaldio, "It's official, murder is now legal in the country of Italy."
LMAO
Nailed it 🏅
well done 😆
Lol
I guess it’s legal if you’re in the mobster
For some reason I don't believe her
Because you don't know the facts of the case?
Amanda Knox is a convicted liar who did four years in prison.
It's because she is a liar.
@@rudyguede4587 Yes, that is correct. A liar and a murderer.
@@rudyguede4587 So anything she might have said or wrote allegedly placing her at the crime scene is a lie, right?
Why call her "this Meredith girl" Meredith is the only victim in this crime.
@JeanKanengoni - Meredith is THE victim. But Amanda is A victim. So are Raffaele and Patrick Lumumba, and all of their families.
@@TheWchurchill4pm My focus was on Meredith, whom the interviewer called "this Meredith girl" why call her "this ... girl" Lumumba never got an apology from Amanda, which is pretty sad and extremely unfortunate.
One of the first cases I learned about that was just solid "The media don't care what the truth is, if it bleeds it leads"
Easy to see how we've gotten here when journalistic integrity is completely butchered
Yup
That's not what the saying means.
It just means that violence always gets (and should get) top headlines, nothing dishonest about that. Nothing to do with journalistic integrity.
Media is dead.
Today we need to pass the actual truth out selfs we have the power Joe Rogan showed us all how.
The only weapon that will never fall to technology is propaganda. It’s actually much easier to control the herd these days considering everyone has a small computer in their possession 24/7. All one needs to do is look at the Trump coverage from 2016 to now. It’s absolutely absurd the lengths MSM/Social media goes to twist, gaslight and manipulate.
this episode was phenomenal
Her personality is very unlikeable and cold. I believe she knows something and never describes her relationship with Rudy here. 4 years in prison = 4 million dollar book contract.
What relationship? She served him a drink once or twice as part of her job and spent a brief amount of time in the same apartment with him along with Meredith and the boys who lived there. There is no testimony that they even spoke to each other then except for a brief introduction.
Eight+ years physical, mental, financial ordeal running up millions of dollars in debt = more than 4 million dollar book contract.
Yes very unlikable and cold indeed. It tries so hard but it is all so much cringe its embarrassing. It now has purple hair like a vampire.
@@lesgrossman1274 Is this yoda? Is this mf having issues with having hair?
@@CurtBombS LOL! :D Hilarious! Yes it is balding and turning grey. LOL! :D
@@lesgrossman1274 ok, that’s fine
It's an incredible story of media concocting something to sell papers and have no shame in perpetuating these lies. I can't imagine how Amanda came thru this ordeal. It must be very scary to be accused of something so horrible and to know that you had absolutely nothing to do with it. Awful.
Nick Pisa, one of the most prolific tabloid reporters during the Kercher case, even admitted that fact checking the reports took a back seat to getting them in first and getting paid for them. He even wrote up one report on the Hellmann appeal verdict BEFORE it have even come down complete with a "GUILTY!" headline and "quotes" and "reactions"....which never happened. The Daily Mail published it and then quickly had to take it down when the verdict was for acquittal. That is how honest most of the media was.
@The hand Troll. Buh-bye.
@The hand And 2009 wants your misinformation back.
@The hand And Meredith's DNA alone is found on the floor in that same room (sample #177). Mixed DNA is common in shared households and each donor doesn't have to leave their DNA at the same time. It can become mixed at the time of collection when one was deposited on top of another or next to it. Your DNA would be found mixed with whomever you share your home with, too. I suggest you read up on it.
@The Hand Your ignorance of how mixed DNA works is revealed every time you make that claim. There is no evidence that anyone, much less Knox, planted that DNA or even brought it in. It's just as likely that Filomena brought it in on the bottom of her shoes or socks or Meredith brought it in herself.
Back to the old days with this iconic background. I miss the comment section. I MISS US 😩😭😭
Spotify is scared of the comment section sadly...... 😢
This is his new background
This is his current background
@CastAirLead You are clueless.
@CastAirLead Then you should do what everybody else does in the world, and stop taking opinions as facts. Give an example.
We need JRE back on UA-cam
Why, so YT can censor the hell out of it?
X3MA right .. what we really need is more places where uncensored conversations can take place
@@LordBruuh No. lol You new here?
They've had so many issues with YT, from demonetization, copyright claims, and straight up taking down certain episodes because "reasons." Some old JRE eps were controversial. Like Rogan and plenty of his friends has said countless ridiculous things, and some are incredibly incriminating. It was a different time. A lot of those were clipped so you can find it yourself. Joe himself agreed to take it down to avoid useless heat. It was his decision. Spotify didn't just give him an ultimatum. They've an actual contract. Whereas in YT, Joe has no say in the matter. Big difference.
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Joe Rogan gets mad at Alex Jones
It’s hilarious! 😡 😂 😆
@@LordBruuh no they havent.
He has always denied Meredith’s 2007 murder - but plans to mention her former roommate, Amanda Knox, in his book.
I’m actually looking forward to reading the book. I don’t expect to believe any of it. But I will certainly read it.
@@TheWchurchill4pm That's OK, your opinion is not needed.
@@lesgrossman1274 Funny...your hair said the same thing when it ditched your scalp.
The night she confessed was a couple of hours after her boyfriend admitted he didn't know where she was the night of the murder.Just thought Id add that tiny detail she doesn't mention..He broke her alibi and they called her in from the waiting room. He has never changed that story hence he never took the stand. Her 54 hours interrogation over 5 days is extremely questionable as is everything about this case.
Raffaele didn't "admit" anything. Under an illegal interrogation where he was denied a lawyer (as found by both an Italian SC and the ECHR) and threatened, he became confused between the events of the night of the murder and the night before. He even asked for a calendar so he could see what day of the week it was and check Amanda's work schedule, but they refused him one. The times he then said she left and came back were identical to her actions the night before the murder. Those times were verified by witnesses.
They didn't call her in from the waiting room then to interrogate her. She was already being interrogated before he 'broke her alibi'. This is all available from the testimonies of the police. He most certainly has changed his story since then! He says she was with him all night and has for years...long before they were even first acquitted in 2011. He didn't take the stand as was his right and which most lawyers recommend to their clients. Getting confused under relentless questioning can make even innocent people look guilty.
As for the 54 hours of interrogation, the hours are documented in her first appeal. It's available online.
Whether she did a cartwheel (and it was allegedly one, not plural) is up for debate. The police woman who says she did a cartwheel is Rita Ficarra...the same one who denies she ever smacked Knox on the back of the head. The same one who gives a very different description of that same interrogation. Ficarra sued Knox for slander along with the other police and the prosecutor, Mignini. Ficarra , Mignini and the others lost that slander suit.
Knox says that she was stretching by doing some yoga exercises while waiting alone for Sollecito. A passing policeman notice and commented to her that she was very limber and asked her what else she could do. Knox says she did the splits, not a cartwheel, which makes more sense if you’re demonstrating how limber you are. But even if she did do a cartwheel, how is that evidence of murder?
@@petersmith2522 What? Kercher's blood was not found on any of Knox's clothing. I don't know where you got that misinformation.
Odd behavior is not evidence of murder. And why is doing some stretching odd behavior? This is Knox's explanation:
"I’d been sitting hunched over a long time. I touched my toes, flexed my quads, extended my arms overhead. He said, “You seem really flexible.” I replied, “I used to do a lot of yoga.” He said, “Can you show me? What else can you do?” I took a few steps While I was on the floor, legs splayed, the elevator doors opened. Rita Ficarra, the cop who had reprimanded Raffaele and me about kissing the day before, stepped out. “What are you doing?” she demanded, her voice full of contempt. I stood up and returned to my chair. “Waiting,” I said. The silver-haired officer said, “I was just asking Amanda some questions.” Ficarra said, “If that’s the case, we need to put it on the record.”
Knox, Amanda. Waiting to Be Heard (p. 109).
@@petersmith2522 No, it did not. Maybe you're remembering them talking about Kercher's aspiration blood on her own bra which helped determine if she was still alive or not at the time of the sexual assault. I can tell you with 100% confidence that no blood of Kercher was found on Knox's bra or on any of her clothing at all. If that were true, it would have been entered by the prosecution as evidence; it was not. Go back and watch it again.
@@petersmith2522 Please do watch it again.
Man I couldn't believe this when I first heard about the Amanda Knox story. It's so absolutely insane.
@@Bone_Thug did you save the juice and mix it with some fresca?
@@mikimiyazaki i have returned
Amanda will kill again
@MR IV DNA doesn't lie, the Italian authorities aren't well known for their police work. The prosecutor has become a national joke. People who think Amanda Knox is guilty are just a little slow. Seriously. The guilty guys DNA everywhere. Italian authorities are like, "witchcraft". Better be glad that didn't happen to you in another country.
She's a literal murderer lmao
Joe is Low-key interrogating her
That’s VladTV’s job 🤣
Who doesn't he do that with?
Joe knows she did it.
How mad would everyone be If he didnt
@@jibril2473 ….ok.
I remember when that was in the news. Italian press called her "the angle with the ice eyes". If you look at her you know why.
Yeah...the Italian media did nothing to shape the public's negative view of Knox with such rhetoric. And influence the jury members who are allowed to read , watch, and discuss whatever they want DURING the trial.
I was a 22 year old exchange student the year before this happened. I completely understand at the time how Amanda was caught up in the language and cultural barriers. I was like a child totally at the whims of the people around me- literally everything you think is true is shifted in a foreign country. I was in so many stupid situations thinking back because I had gone from this very sheltered American life to a completely different reality. I think far too many Americans overestimate how you would act in the face of the language and cultural barriers surrounding this crime. I feel for her and for the true victim- poor Meredith and her family.
It shouldn’t be surprising that Italians found her behavior strange. Just consider how we as Americans have assumptions about people from foreign countries. While there was much human error involved in what happened to her, I think we also have to consider the cultural factors. Specifically, the universal human tendency not to challenge our individual assumptions.
@@TheWchurchill4pm I've often wondered if Amanda may be on the autism spectrum. I am certainly not saying she is because, unlike many here I don't diagnose someone when I have no professional training, but she has a lot of behaviors that remind me of a person who is mildly autistic. I have a family member in her late 20's who does not emote facially as Amanda sometimes doesn't, can act slightly "off" in situations... especially when she stressed,.and can sometimes say things that seem out of the 'norm'. Yet she is extremely smart and kind, especially to anyone she thinks is being bullied or an underdog. Amanda reminds me very much of her sometimes.
I've never cared about this story when it happened now I want to look at the case only coz of all the profesional detectives in the comments
Most people in comments are absolute morons though
@@simonbaribeau4853 like u
😂 seriously….
@@simonbaribeau4853 Why because they have a differing opinion? I think she is guilty. I have always thought she was involved, and I have the freedom to have that opinion without you getting angered. I'd bet my last dollar she participated in the murder.
@@chrisgullett4332 no, not because difference of opinion. Because lack of critical thought, empirical evidence, and expertise.
Podcast guest : Wrongfully imprisoned female
Joe: Somehow manages to bring up Saunas and that dude that faked being an MMA fighter.
Look up
Prison Stories - Gassing A CO
💩 💩 😂
Yeah... people can have conversations on just about anything. Its pretty neat.
Maybe correctly imprisoned female. But hey she's American so must be innocent. Drone strikes anyone?
LOLOLOLOL
Correctly imprisoned and incorrectly released*
Whether she did or didn’t murder Meredith she’s very obviously a narcissist 🙄no sympathy for the victim , all about herself
Thank you for your professional input, Dr Raindroponroses.
@Raindropsonroses - I’ve read her book and seen the interviews she conducted called “The Scarlet Letter Reports.” They show that she is very caring and thoughtful.
@@TheWchurchill4pm Which is how her friends describe her; friends she's had since childhood. Friends who not only stood by her throughout this decade long ordeal forming a group "Friends of Amanda" to help her, but who flew to Perugia to testify to her character and one, Madison Paxton, who moved to Perugia to be there for her. 'Narcissistic psychopaths' don't have friends like that. But these armchair psychologists who know virtually nothing about her except for the tabloid nonsense they and the prosecution created, feel entitled to declare they know she's a psychotic narcissist. Dunning -Kruger at its finest!
This was one of the best podcasts I’ve heard in a while, particularly everything they discussed other than the trial, just such a good human to human conversation, real breath of fresh air
human to killer
@Hayley I wonder if she’ll ever write another book about something other than the case. I know she has a lot of hobbies and interests
@@TheWchurchill4pm
Well - She's already has a multi million dollar book deal.
Imagine how much more she'll pocket from the Tinseltown Movie !
@conn saunders - I have an idea for the film’s opening scene:
Amanda enters the apartment on the night of Nov 1. She explains to Meredith that Raffaele’s faucet has a leak and she’s getting a mop. She hears a noise in Philomena’s room and goes to investigate. Rudy Guede appears. Amanda screams and runs as Guede chases her. Meredith runs after Guede. The two girls fight Guede, he goes down, unconscious. Amanda grabs Meredith by the arm, tries to pull her towards the door - but Meredith won’t budge.
Amanda: “C’mon, we have to get out of here.”
Meredith: “Amanda -“
Amanda: “He might wake up! We have to get out -“
Meredith: “AMANDA! This isn’t how it happened.”
Amanda: “Yes it is! I came home, we fought him, I got you out. Now come -“
Meredith: “Amanda -“
Amanda: “Don’t!”
Meredith: “Amanda, you need to -“
Amanda: “NO!” (The camera focuses on Amanda’s face, which is filled with panic and terror) “No, God, please! Don’t make me wake up!”
Then she does wake up. She’s lying on her bunk in her cell at Capanne Prison. It was a dream of what she wished had been.
@@TheWchurchill4pm
That's unhinged.....
Perfect point when he says that they double down when they are shown to be wrong. Case in point Richard Jewel and the Atlanta bombing.
@xman559 I just don’t understand how people whose job it is to uncover the truth can hold on so firmly to a discredited hypothesis. Is it just ego, or are they afraid admitting they were wrong would hurt their careers?
@@TheWchurchill4pm Yes...to both.
@@TheWchurchill4pm It's about time that society start introducing consequences for such belligerent incompetence.
Don't forget in Italy you're Guilty until Proven Innocent , so the stakes are a lot higher and you have no freedom you are stuck in Jail till your trial, they can hold you as long as they want.
@@rottierumbles9451 In Italy they can hold you in jail without formally bringing charges for up to one year. In the US, depending on the state, they have 48-72 hours to bring charges or they must let you go.
Joe, you are bloody awesome having such a broad range of content. My folks and I followed this case being Italians and New Zealanders, think the police just wanted to pin this on her and boost their careers which booth happened and couldn't back down cause how global it was. Thank god they are free.
That, and they couldn't admit they were wrong. Imagine the embarrassment after holding a press conference the day of the arrests and announcing "caso chiuso" and bragging about what a great job they did. Add to that they had rushed out and arrested Lumumba without doing a single bit of investigation, and had held him for 2 weeks despite Knox telling them in writing on Nov. 6 and 7 that it wasn't Lumumba. Local witnesses came forward to say they'd seen him in his bar and then a Swiss professor saying the same thing. It wasn't until the forensics came back showing the fingerprint in Kercher's blood didn't belong to him, etc that they were forced to release him. Of course, Knox gets blamed for that instead of the police who could have done their job first. They didn't even question Lumumba if he had an alibi before dragging him out of his home before dawn and accusing him of killing Kercher. TheMarasca court was correct when they said the investigation was incompetent.
@@mytrip6991 so why did Knox accuse him???
@@MsLittleChristine The police already believed that a black man was involved because a suspected 'negroid hair' had been found near Kercher's genitals. It was later found to be a wool fiber. When the police officer (Rita Ficarra) was looking through Knox's phone that night, she found the text Knox had sent in reply to her boss (Patrick Lumumba) acknowledging his text to her not to come into work as it was slow. She texted back "“Ci vediamo piu tardi. Buona serata," which means "See you later. Good night". Knox had deleted his text to her but not hers to him. Ficarra jumped to the conclusion that this message meant Knox was literally going to see Lumumba later that night. That is when she decided to begin an official interrogation. The police now had a suspected black man connected to Kercher by the "negroid hair" (aka wool fiber).
They interrogated Knox without a legally required lawyer present (found to be a violation of her rights by both an Italian Supreme Court in 2008 and the ECHR in 2019) and did not record the interrogation. So all we have is the police account vs Knox's account of what happened next.
Knox denied meeting Lumumba but the police kept insisting she did and had taken him to the cottage. The interpreter, Anna Donnino, told Knox that she had "traumatic amnesia" and would remember "the truth" if she just kept trying, which she admitted to in court. This was also found to violate Knox's right by the ECHR as Donnino was only allowed to interpret, not work as an agent of the police. Whenever Knox denied this, she was yelled at, called a liar, threatened with prison if she didn't confess, and Knox says Ficarra smacked her twice on the back of the head. All this was illegal so no way would the police admit this happened. But ask yourself: why would the police not record this crucial interrogation when the room was set up to record? When the prosecutor was asked this during an interview, he claimed they didn't have "the budget' to record it. Yet he had recorded the pair secretly earlier in another room.
The police kept asking her to imagine what might have happened and feeding her suggestions. In reality, it's what THEY believed had happened. After almost 3 hours, late at night, an exhausted Knox who began to believe she really did have amnesia finally agreed to what they said happened. This is called an 'internalized false confession": where the suspect comes to doubt their own memory and believe what they are being told 'really' happened. That is when the police got her to sign a statement they wrote up. Then they rushed out to arrest Lumumba without even interviewing him to see if he even had an alibi.
Within a few hours, the Chief of Police stood on the station step and announced to the crown of journalists that "Initially the American gave a version of events we knew was not correct. She buckled and made an admission of facts we knew were correct and from that we were able to bring them in. They all participated but had different roles."
This is evidence that the police had already decided what had actually happened and anything Knox said that didn't agree with that version was a lie. A person doesn't "buckle" unless they are under intense pressure.
Later that day after recovering, Knox wrote a statement saying she had been very confused, frightened and exhausted and that she doubted what she had said had actually happened at all...that it was more like a dream and that she was more sure that she had been at her boyfriend's all evening and night. She gave this to the police.
@MsLittleChristine- there are two types of coerced confessions:
1. Compliant, in which the subject makes the statement in response to a threat.
2. Internal, when stress and exhaustion compels causes them to confuse imagined thoughts with memories.
Amanda’s accusation had elements of both:
The police told her she’d go to prison if she didn’t tell them who’d she’d met the night Meredith was murdered.
They also screamed and hit her, and kept saying Patrick’s name until, finally, she thought she remembered hearing Patrick kill Meredith from the kitchen.
@@TheWchurchill4pm No. They didn't scream and hit her. The Italian police doesn't do that. Amanda lied again when she said this.
So she heard him from the kitchen? So she was in the kitchen, right? Because her lie No. 238 is that she wasn't in the house after all.
If you are accused of a murder you say the truth, and nothing but the truth, you don't make up one lie after the other.
Wow..What a story..I cant even imagind what she went through but i shed a tear..So tragic and they ruined her life..
Dont be an idiot.
She's a murderer
She is on Netflix not you
One of the best interview in JRE. 3 hours just flew by.
Hopefully she had to turn in knives at the front door.
@@ontherunjg No worries. Joe got bigger knives and skill to use 'em.
It sounds like it was a terrible interview. Did he ask any questions around why she was the main suspect: her diary, behaviour in the police when they took her, insensitive comments witnesses spoke about? I don't see any of it being asked here
@@shonebx because this is just 17min out of 3 hours 🤦🏽♂️lmaooo duh
@@shonebx I think Joe did ask some of the questions. You shld watch it again. However, I'm more interested to know Amanda as a person than anything else in this interview. And she projected herself as a well centered person. I like her personality.
R.I.P. Meredith
As an American she should’ve asked for the American consulate she has the right to do that
Her parents kept advising her to do so on the phone, before her arrest.
@@TheWchurchill4pm The question is why didn’t she go to the American consulate in Italy
@@davesfoodfinds2087 Her family did...when the situation got blown way out of proportion.
@@davesfoodfinds2087 Because she had no idea they suspected HER of the murder until they'd thrown her in prison. She thought she was just being helpful in finding Meredith's murderer.
Can’t help it but my sliders senses are saying you had something to do with it, the reactions and words that come out of her mouth don’t reflect a innocent person
Your 'sliders senses' against the evidence...or lack thereof. I'll go with the evidence...or lack thereof.
Yes, "questioning your own sanity" is an actual thing that happens to people during interrogation, people literally end up confessing to crimes against people they've never even met... It's a legit psychological phenomenon that occurs. And FYI Amanda didn't even confess....Amanda is an inspiration.....the prosecution and the media harassed and literally made a disgusting fiction out of such a young girl (barely an adult), in a foreign country with less than child's communication skills...the legal system of Italy lied to a 20 year old, that she's HIV positive! They didn't even tell her what she was being imprisoned for! The media published her private diary..
hard to believe it was legal in Italy to interrogate her for so many hours with no interpreter and no lawyer.
She should be a guest speaker at police academies, talking about the dangers of taking short cuts during investigations.
I guess you must have been born yesterday. Your naivety is off the scale
She is guilty lol
@@gizzyguzzi She wasn't brought in, her boyfriend was called and she just went with him, when she was there she talked to the police and if you are not a suspect in Italy you don't need to have a lawyer, you can ask for one but you can still release a statement
Psychologists
"Gaslighting is bad"
Police
"But how do we solve crimes then?"
ThTs brilliant 🤣
Yeah, police are allowed to lie to get confessions. You think it's bad, but remember all people committing crimes lie when caught. At least 99 percent of them do. You wouldn't think it was so bad if police lied to get a confession of your mom's murderer.
@@lenehan06 good point I suppose it’s down to where do you stand morally with breaking/bending the rules
Evidence.
She does not come across genuine imho
That's right. It is because Amanda Knox is a convicted liar who did four years in prison.
I'm no expert, and i'm coming into this cold so to speak, but there's a lot here that just doesnt add up for me. The majority of what she says seems accurate/truthful but many things dont seem right about the details and specifics of the evening of the incident (and her inability to "remember" what happened or her continued reference to the "lack of evidence" of her presence). My guess is she was either high or implicit in some way.
Thank you I've benn saying this for years!! She was under the influence of a substance and did it! When this case came up there was no question that she was part of the murder!!! She's an ice cold psychopath!!
She had been smoking weed with her boyfriend the night of the murder. Weed was very, very common among the students there. Everyone who lived in that cottage, including Meredith, smoked it.
There was no evidence placing her in the room where Kercher was killed: no DNA, no fingerprints, no bloody shoe or footprints...all of which were found belonging to Guede. Why would she be complicit in murdering a roommate she had known less than 2 months with a man she had only briefly met a couple times? She had served him a drink at the bar she worked at and he had tagged along to the apartment below for an hour or two when he ran into Knox, Kercher and the boys who lived in the lower apartment. He didn't even talk to her there as he was talking to the boys about liking her. There were no phone calls between them according to the phone records and no one had ever seen them together except on those two occasions. She had no motive to kill Kercher. The prosecution kept coming up with new motives from a satanic ritual sacrifice to jealousy, to fighting over house keeping, to joining in out of sheer evil, to theft. None of them ever stuck because there was no evidence supporting any of them.
@@81elpedro you really have to be a special type of stupid to think that she was involved when all the evidence shows that she had nothing to do with it. Thank fk your feelings aren't used in court cases because everyone would be fked
She didn't help herself with that smug look pic taken just after the crime. Her eyes gave her away. She was involved, maybe not the murder, but she was aware it was going on.
@@myview5840 and you got all of that from a look on her face, no proof, no facts ..... just a look on her face. Oh dear, you really can't make this shit up. You really are a special kind of stupid
9/10 solid episode great info, they hit it off and have good chemistry
I wish Meredith Kercher wasn't a background detail to this story.
Right?! 🙁
Thank you for this comment 🙏💜
That’s a different story, and it’s her families place to tell that. There’s no way a person who knew her only a couple weeks can be expected to do her justice.
She is guilty to me....
@Paul sansonetti super guilty saved by us 🇺🇸 powerful diplomatic efforts...
hey joe .....why was amandas lamp in the murdered girls room ? the bedroom door is LOCKED....there are no footprints of a stopped person locking the persons door. ? you come home ...your door is open....theres blood on the tap of the bathroom and a footprint on a bath math....she takes a shower then shuffles into her room on a bath matt ??? you know all those menstruating women who bleed on the bathroom taps....and you know the way you dont call the police when you see all this...
Probably because Meredith borrowed it as Amanda had spent the last week at Raffaele's apartment and didn't need it. Meredith had one 60 watt light on the wall over her bed and one 40 watt table lamp on her bedside table. Her desk was not near either light so she probably had to unplug her table lamp and take it to her desk at night if she was doing homework there. How do I know about these lights? Because I read the police reports in the court documents.
Amanda didn't know Kercher's door was LOCKED when she first went home to take a shower. Why would she try to open a roommate's door? She had called out and no one answered so she assumed no one was home. It was around 10:30 AM so not like it was 3:00 AM.
Why would there have to be footprints of someone locking a person's door? Do you think footprints and shoeprints are left everywhere a foot or shoe touches? If so, they'd be so overlayed in the corridor where they walked everyday that they'd be completely unusable anyway.
Finding the door open at a logical reason: the latch was broken and the wind would blow it open if just pulled shut and not locked with a key. She assumed one of the other girls had either forgotten to lock it or just ran out for a minute.
There were 2 tiny drops of dried blood on the faucet which she assumed may have come from her infected ear piercing. Would two tiny drops of blood on a faucet make YOU think a roommate's been murdered?
She didn't see the blood on the bathmat until AFTER she showered and it didn't look like a footprint, but just a pinkish watery blob. Do a google search for it see for yourself. Be sure it's one of the police photos and not one that's been enhanced to look darker. It's not like the bathroom was covered in blood. As people do, she looked for a plausible explanation: did Meredith have an accident and maybe ran to the pharmacy to get a bandage leaving the door unlocked? Did she have a menstrual accident? You sound like a man who has no idea just how heavy some women's flow can be on the first day.
Why shouldn't she shuffle the few feet to her room on the mat as she was dripping wet and the floor was tile; tile is slippery when wet. She hadn't noticed when she got in the shower that all the towels were gone; Guede had taken them to Meredith's room.
Why should she call the police when all she's seen at this point is her door open (logical explanation) and the kitchen/living area and her own room looked completely normal? There are a couple tiny drops of blood on the faucet (logical explanation), a watery blob of blood on the bath mat (plausible explanation), and she sees some feces in the other bathroom where she went to use the hair dryer. None of those is a reason to call the police.
Police: What is your emergency?
Amanda: I came home and my door with a broken latch that blows open with a gust of wind was open...
Police: And?
Amanda: I saw two tiny drops of dried blood on the faucet...
Police: Two tiny drops of dried blood? And you need the police for that?
Amanda: Well, then there's a watery splotch of blood on the bathmat and someone didn't flush the toilet!
Police: Miss, we have more important things to do than figure out who didn't flush the toilet! (Mama mia! "Crazy Americans! )
Some people have to twist themselves into a pretzel and abandon logic in an attempt to make something out of nothing.
If Knox had taken that lamp into Kercher's bedroom AT NIGHT and, according to the police, had all NIGHT to clean up, then it's impossible for her not to know her lamp was not in her own room as it was the ONLY source of light. It is entirely implausible that she would not be aware of her own dark room and equally implausible that she would not have retrieved it during the 11+ hours between the murder and the discovery of the body. Also implausible is, if she had left it in Kercher's room and only become aware of it later, that she would not have simply claimed Kercher had borrowed it as she was staying at her boyfriend's house so not using it.
Excellent interview.
JCS needs to break this whole thing down
Totally!
Break what down? He informs on interrogation techniques and light psychology of the same.
Why? Why do you put so much stock in murder porn masquerading as clinical analysis?
Brother!
@@NxDoyle he doesn’t exclusively talk about murder cases, nor does he discuss the pathology. He studies mainly the interrogation…
never forget Brendan Dassey confessed to murder so he could watch Wrestlemania
I grew up 20 mins from where that happened, used to see Avery and his wild man beard on the tv in the background every morning before grade school and had no idea what it was about. So weird being older and watching it and finding out what it all was
I mean it's Wrestlemania...
The whole thing stinks. They convicted Brendan on an entirely different set of circumstances than Steven, for the same murder. Anyone who thinks Making a Murderer is a whodunnit murder mystery is missing the point entirely.
Well then he did it
He wanted to PLAY wrestlemania on his Playstation.
The US does not recognize the calunnia conviction as a felony. In the US, she has no criminal record, much less a felony.
Additionally, since the ECHR ruled the calunnia conviction was "unfair" due to Knox's rights having been violated, Italy had to pay Knox over $20,000 which they have done. Italy is also required to file an Action Plan detailing their plan to "rectify" it. If Italy fails to do so, the ruling also gives Knox the legal right to request a revision trial in which none of her statements from the Nov. 5/6 interrogation could be used as evidence.
"Judges at the ECHR said the Italian government had failed to show that Knox’s restricted access to a lawyer had not “irreparably undermined the fairness of the proceedings as a whole”.
“Ms Knox had been particularly vulnerable, being a foreign young woman, 20 at the time, not having been in Italy for very long and not being fluent in Italian,” the court noted."
(The Guardian, 24 Jan., 2019)
Les Grossman continues to lie as he's done for years. Pathetic.
New legal opinion here in New York is that Knox-related fraud may be a criminal enterprise which can incur prison time in US.
@MikeHunt - Which legal firm has produced this opinion?
I miss the days when I could watch joe rogan on youtube. Now I just listen on spotify. I know I can watch on spotify, but that's now how I use that app. I used to just stumble upon Joe's podcasts here and randomly find one interesting in the moment and wind up watching for 2 or 3 hours.
The good ol days!
Killer podcast bro !!!
I see what you did there 🤣👏🏽
😂😂
😅👍🔥🔥
clever :D
She did it, you lemmings. She has a million dollar PR campaign behind her. Ffs.
Then explain why not a trace of Knox is found in Kercher's bedroom. Go on, explain that, FFS.
Your refusal to address the fact that not a single trace of Knox was found in Kercher's bedroom and attempt to redirect is duly noted.
Also noted: your failure to acknowledge that only FIVE samples were taken in Romanelli's room while 160 were taken in Kercher's room.
How does a PR group affect the forensic evidence in a trial? Did it remove all traces of Knox's and Sollecito's invisible DNA and invisible fingerprints or their bloody foot/shoe prints?
@The hand Yes, we've gone over it and you continue to be intellectually dishonest.
You dishonestly try to equate not finding a trace of Guede in Filomena's room WHERE NO STRUGGLE TOOK PLACE and where ONLY 5 SAMPLES WERE TAKEN to a room where allegedly 3 PEOPLE VIOLENTLY ASSAULTED AND HELD DOWN A FOURTH PERSON AND WHERE 160 SAMPLES WERE TAKEN.
Again, you fail to mention that TWO forensic experts not paid by either the defense or the prosecution found the LCN DNA trace of Sollecito on one tiny hook to be the product of contamination by a third party due to the videotaped failure of the police scientific officers to collect the bra clasp until 6 weeks later after numerous people were in and out of that room and where objects had been tossed around AND where Stefanoni is taped touching that exact tiny bra hook with a visibly dirty and admittedly unchanged glove.
How do you account for the DNA of at least 2 other men on that same tiny hook? Are you going to claim two other men touched that bra hook?
WHERE are Sollecito's bloody shoe prints in Kercher's room? Where are his fingerprints? NOWHERE. Do you want to claim that he cleaned up all his other invisible DNA and fingerprints and only HIS bloody shoe prints? If so, I have a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in buying.
There is ZERO evidence either Knox or Sollecito left her lamp in Kercher's bedroom. Since Knox had NO OTHER SOURCE OF ARTIFICIAL LIGHT in her bedroom other than that lamp, logic says one of them would have noticed she had no light in her own bedroom during the multiple hours of darkness between the murder and dawn. Or do you think they just fumbled around in the dark? Use your brain.
Do you know the worst part of all of this? Nobody can even remember the name of the victim who was raped and murdered. All of a sudden Amanda Knox is now the victim. She still knew about it and didn't tell the full truth to the police.
You mean Meredith Kercher? You know, there can be more than one victim in a crime: the victim of the actual crime and the person/people wrongfully imprisoned and vilified for years for something they never did. People who have to deal with being insulted, called horrible names including 'psychopath', 'slut', and 'narcissist and who have to deal with every other consequence that results from being branded a killer for the rest of their lives. People who are judged by ignorant people who know virtually nothing about the actual facts of the case except for what they read in tabloids and on UA-cam. Meredith was a victim of Rudy Guede and Knox and Sollecito who were his victims as well.
She had nothing to do with the murder.
I can dispute that. The victim was Meredith Kercher. So, at least one person knows.
Honestly, if you're going to blame someone for "no one" knowing the victim's name, blame the media and the prosecutor. They were the ones who sensationalized and rhapsodized over Amanda Knox.
I hope the family of the victims family are able to find peace 🙏🏼
..at least they can buy her book or watch her film
"The family of the victim's family" 😆 🤣
I’m hoping they’ll agree to meet with Amanda some day
Thanks for sharing this in a UA-cam comment, it really makes a difference
@@ServantofGod07 yeah I really hope the victims aunts 3rd cousin is okay 🙏🏼
I got to say the transition at the beginning from the alien story to her story was a brilliant by joe
The way Amanda was treated was disgraceful. She should be compensated for the four years she wasted in jail.
Seek therapy
@@MikeHunt-ir5rc ???
@@tancreddehauteville764 Seek therapy
She did sue the country for wrongful imprisonment and won but received just a few thousand dollars.
@@OnlyInItalyVideos No, she didn't. She knows she'll never get it the same way Raffaele was denied compensation because Italy will deny she was wrongfully convicted. What she received compensation for was from the ECHR ruling that her rights to a lawyer and a neutral translator were violated during her Nov. 5/6 interrogation.
I really want him to do Michael Peterson from Netflix’s The Staircase that one is a trip.
I need to start listening to Amanda’s true crime podcast. I’d like to see her cover the Garrett Phillips Murder case (there’s a documentary about it on Hulu)
Thoughts go out to Meridith and her family.. Rip
And to Amanda’s family
They suffered as well
@@catarinabridges9358 yeah they did but not the same way Meridith's family did. Amanda is still alive, they still have their daughter.
@@rickysmom809 The fact the Kercher's suffered the loss of Meredith has nothing to do with Amanda. They can thank Rudy Guede for that.
@@mytrip6991 yes I know, Amanda wasn't involved in the loss of Meridith, but her family still suffered the most out of all involved and more than Amanda's family .. The victims often get forgotten in horrific situations like this. We never speak of the actual killer.... Rudy and the actual victim
. Just the sensationalised Amanda
The probability that we are listening to a cold hearted murderer is not 0%
"Good thing it wasn't me." Not a response of a sociopath at all.
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Then what is it??
@@alexnutcasio936 50/50
Should I publish my book today?
Sure, Les/Mike. Who are you going to claim to be in your next puppet account?
100% I mean 100% My own family would try to say I was guilty and try to tell me I was insane and the police I was guilty.
It’s scary what can happen when not one person has your back in the world. You do think you are insane
@planet of the ape man - first of all, great screen name 👍🏻 Also, I’m sorry to hear you have that kind of relationship with your family
See this Joe Rogan at his best. Interesting podcast a guest we have mostly forgotten about. This is why I listen.
This is just like old Joe Rogan on UA-cam
True!
I agree, together they're killing it!
Theo did it first
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Read "the Monster of Florence" Mignini was the same prosecuter in Amanda's case. Mignini prosecuted 20 different innocent people ,(all acquitted) alot of them spent years in prison over Mignini's false allegations. He was also charged and convicted after that case for abuse of office.
That poor office 😪
Yes most of these posters are joe Biden voters. They have no clue who she is or what happened. Still don't understand why the British girls family are still blaming Amanda. DNA don't lie.
@@drwerwolfenstein7124 wtf lmao it's a trumpster so we know he eats his own poop. makes sense, right? such a bizarre and irrational connection you have with reality
@@drwerwolfenstein7124
There was no DNA evidence.
Mnn
A reminder of how things are around us. Our vigilance to our rights and our freedoms are essential.
A reminder not to kill your roommate.
This case is similar to Making of a Murderer. Totally ludicrous and its hard to understand how or why some prosecutors, judges, media personalities seemingly enjoy punishing obviously innocent people.
Not just them: people who have basically no knowledge of the actual facts of the case love to declare her guilt.
I bet Amanda never thought she’d be discussing jujitsu 😅 Joe on the other hand 🤷🏻♂️
@Fax WTF is that link bro?
I can’t stop watching Seven Hunnid on UA-cam, he a real n*gga
@@e3IZrZ the link showing that he is a taliban member
@@e3IZrZ lol don't click it. It's spam. He's liking his own comments 🤣🤣🤣
Do you think they......rolled?😏
Her case was when I realized that journalistic integrity was dead. Our American press had her tried and convicted, without doing any research, just repeating what the Italian press wrote. And I believed them. Then I read an article about the case in Rolling Stone magazine and it blew the case wide open for me. It was then that I saw how her story was manipulated, and that she was innocent.
Yup, search for "One of the Most Shameful Episodes In Journalistic History"
Les Grossman claims :
"People need to remember that #amandaknox is a convicted felon for putting #patricklumumba in jail. She'll always be a second-class citizen."
In the US, Knox is not a convicted felon as the US does not recognize demation as a criminal offense but as a civil torte.
The ECHR ruled in 2019 that Knox's conviction was 'unfair' due to Italy violating her rights to a lawyer and to an unbiased interpreter during her interrogation. They ordered Italy to pay Knox 18,400 euros which Italy has done. They also directed Italy to file and Action Plan on how they will rectify her "unfair" conviction. The ECHR is still awaiting this Action Plan.
Maybe I'll publish my book tomorrow.
Great. It'll be in the fiction section.
This girl is completely innocent or a master manipulator.
She Guilty
@@Contact_Info The prosecutor said: "She cleaned up her own DNA & left the other guys (killer) there". #idiot
Everyones suspicious of everyone now.Idiot
the second one
@@alexinico9608 You can't see DNA, so how could she clean it up?
I think she did it.
Why
100%
Imagine if I think you did something incriminating and led a hound of media and corrupt justice system to convince that you are. I bet you’d believe in it too.
Can someone explain why while she said she would never go back to Italy what is she doing in Gubbio right now?
1) She was there last June, not 'right now'.
2) In 2014, she said she'd never go back to Italy willingly to face a prison sentence after her second conviction. That verdict was overturned in 2015 so no prison sentence still exists.
3) Knox was in Italy to attend an Italian legal forum as an invited speaker in Milan in 2019.
The thing with prosecutors is that once they look at one narrative they will double down on it they will never actually try to solve a case.
This is exactly what the prosecution did in this case: they had tunnel vision and as the Supreme Court that annulled the conviction said, they had a severe case of "investigative amnesia".
This story and that serial killer case (can't remember the name.. Butcher of somewhere). Makes me think that this is worse in italy
@@Myrzghe You're thinking of the Monster of Florence. MIgnini screwed that one up big time, too. He accused over 20 people of being involved in a satanic ring. All were acquitted. He claimed a doctor (Dr. Narducci) was involved and his body was switched out of his coffin! He even accused a journalist (Mario Spezi) and an American writer (Douglas Preston) of either being involved or being in cahoots to plant evidence. Neither was true. He arrested Spezi and kept him illegally in jail for 3 weeks, refusing to let him speak to a lawyer, until a judge ordered him to release him. He threatened to charge Douglas with a crime unless he left Italy ...which he did the next day with his family because he thought Mignini was nuts.
I had 3 ads interrupt your podcast on Spotify.
Go complain to the manager
buy a subscription its like 10 dollars
oh how tragic, did you survive scotty boy?
It’s not fair that we live in a society with both telemarketing AND social media ads. We may as well have one, just because life isn’t supposed to be fair. But having BOTH is a socially-constructed injustice.
Awww babes xx
Wow! What a killer guest!!
Lol
Spot on ! spot on ! Love to Meredith and her family
Good one
@@redsquirrel5501 cringe
lol dude