Some extra stuff: - Don't trust a programmer who combs their hair - As some people have pointed out there are ways to achieve a UNIX coding experience in Windows (so it's not a deal breaker) - Another plus for PC: easy to UPGRADE hardware (tried not to be biased I swear 😅) - You may need more RAM if you are running virtual machines or containers (but you can also do this in the cloud)
hey code drip, how much time did it take you from absolute zero amount of knowledge in programming/coding to getting a 6 figure job? (starting from the scratch)
@@AaronJack yeah, so inspiring to know someone can flip his/her life around without a degree in just 1 year of hard work If he/she really wants it, i mean 6 figures sound pretty well off for just 1 year of skill dude, dont you think? (tryna get an idea for purchasing power and cost of living shit)
@@hugodsa89 Microsoft Visual Studio Test Controller 2019 System Requirements Requires a 2.6 GHz or faster processor. Quad core or better recommended. Need something like a gaming pc to use this. i cant find a "programmer lap top" with a good enough cpu
Fitting Theme. (For me Material Theme Palenight High Contrast) f.lux. Fira Code as Font for Editors. Actual good monitor which does not cost a ton due to brand. Done.
Again, how much storage we are talking for node? Obviously not a 128Gb. Co sidering Windows update over 5 years would have consumed like 70Gb(restores etc), but he is partially right. 256-512 Gb is more than enough. RAM wise 16 should be standard for programming IMO.
@@MrKar18 Yeah programming doesn't require that much of storage.. but still it's not the "only" thing which someone would do on his or her pc.. Like for computer science students who have to write frequent programs.. or play pc games.. what about that..
@@lakshjadhwani6933 GitHub/BitBucket. No college programs will consume in 2x GBs unless you are developing a StockPhotos alternatives. I have been coding for years and I archive my code either in cloud and/or Github.
Actually, this video might be bad advice. I have ten years experience as a professional programmer and I've used all three operating systems mentioned in this video. They all work for generic programming, unless you want to get into some specific things like iOS programming or something. There's no need to buy an expensive Macbook if all you want to do is code. If you're used to a Mac then sure, get one for coding. If you're used to anything else, get that. You need to be able to use the system in order to get stuff done. If you're new to computers at all, maybe get a PC and try Windows and Linux (parallel or one after the other) and see what feels right. From best to worst in my experience, I'd recommend: Linux, Windows, Mac. I realize that this video is heavily based on opinion, so that was mine :)
I agree with what you say. It is best to use an operating system that allows you to be comfortable when working. I changed from windows to linux (pop! _Os).
Hey I am student and want to buy a MacBook Air 2020 . Will it be a great choice ? I am an Artificial Intelligence & Machine Learning student . Suggestions please 🙏
@@rishabhdhawad it is better to check air vs pro videos. I wwant to buy a macbook too but the cheap pro one. Check the processors. I am not going to give further information because i am not sure the information i've heard about are true or not.
+steps0x29a I am also a programmer, been doing it for the last 6 years, and Windows is pure crap. Their file system, command line interface are completely opposite from the standard Unix like system that most programmers are used to. Mac is the way to go, mostly because of it's clean UI, and also because it's command line is just as same as Linux, and with Homebrew, you also get the package manager you need for Mac. I suggest Mac, and then Windows. Mac and Linux are both Unix-Like systems, but of course with Linux, you get far more access to the hardware and embedded devices than on Mac. If you're doing Web Development or Mobile Development, just use a Mac. If you're creating specific system or embedded software, then it's easier to use Linux OS for that.
milworks because people are running multiple instances of docker applications at once on a laptop? who does that? what’s the purpose of it? Have you never heard of cloud deployment? In today’s day of age, and being a programmer yourself, how one chooses their laptop should not be entirely based on just specs alone, but also consider the convenience & UX & the job requirements - if you’re doing something that requires more than 2tb of storage and 32 gb ram on the go, it probably shouldn’t be an “on the go,” project anymore or be moved to the cloud. I don’t know of any developers working entirely offline either, that’s just not a thing. We’re too wired to being online, cutting file sizes down, improving efficiency, and more.
My girlfriend is Brazilian but we live in NZ. When we went to get here a new laptop she was shocked at how cheap MacBooks were here. They're like 30k+ in Brazil! Mind blowing
@@TheNsNZ yes man, this is a result of many socialist measures taken by governments over the last 30 years. We have a lot of taxes, and we still have the worst public services in the region. Like education, we are the penultimate position in global hancking, ahead only of Angola (Africa). So, your girlfriend was lucky to get out of here.
A couple notable additions/corrections: 1. If you have an Advanced version of Windows 10, then you have access to Windows Subsystem for Linux, which allows you to run an Ubuntu shell as an application. 2. When coding in Windows, one often has Git Bash installed and can set that as a default terminal in VSCode to have access to normal bash commands. 3. VSCode has the ability to run from your Windows Subsystem for Linux 4. All of the above makes your implication that coding in Windows is an entirely different experience incorrect. The reality is you can have either system experience, so you have more options. Mac really should only be your choice if your colleagues use it or you're coding in Swift, otherwise you're paying too much for proprietary lock-in and a fruit logo on your laptop lid. 5. Sketch is available on the Cloud now as a service and is currently used by the designer on my team and we are a full Windows shop. As an aside, you are correct that outside the SF bubble and certain companies, there are a lot more Windows companies and a lot more C# stacks.
Thanks for adding - I'm glad these workarounds exist - another thing I didn't mention: the ease of upgrading PC hardware is not to be overlooked, this combined with cost savings makes windows an even stronger choice.
Windows subsystem for Linux is the equivalent of using Wine in Linux to run ms word. Of course you can run it, but it is not optimal. Except for working on .net, why not have both the shell and also a good filesystem? yeah and privacy for those who care about that..
@@l0rdronny83 That may be somewhat true, but you use it as a tool, not as an OS replacement. Linux is fundamentally a command line and if that's what you're using it for, it's more than sufficient for most purposes. For example, it beats the heck out of connecting to servers (e.g. AWS EC2) with PuTTy and needing to convert your keys before you can use them. I find it very valuable. Not to mention, in Linux, you have to use Wine to run everything else (e.g. games) most of the time. Why suffer that overhead when you can have what you need from both worlds?
note about the Mac being a designer's favorite choice. It's an outdated trend, that has no solid foundation. The designers just find it more comfortable and more stable. Designers just did it because everyone was doing it. The software for designing anything are also available on windows , even sketch is no longer a standard.
I'd recommend something else: Buy a PC that is not that expensive, install a linux distribution on it. You'll code on the same machine for years at a cost that was very low.
@Rashed Arman It is pretty easy to get into these days. Just start out with something like ubuntu and your good to go. You can get an ISO from their web site and they have instructions on how to put it on a usb stick. You can also try it out before you install it too.
Although, if you need such an advice, more likely than not you really don't yet, so his point still kinda stands. Although, I'd advise to pay attention to comfortable keyboard and vertical space of the screen as well.
Manu Shanboss 32GB to be “Future Proof” In my case I’ve the following running in parallel 1) SQL server enterprise 2) SQL server management studio 3) Microsoft Teams 4) Angular CLI’s “ng build -watch” 5) Asp.net Core WebApi 6) Kestrel web server 7) Android studio with Emulators 8) Visual Studio Code 9) One Chrome window for WebApi swagger 10) One chrome window for Angular output + chrome developer tools 11) Assorted chrome tabs for help and other stuff. 12) Music player 13) Tripe Monitors. With all this opened, sometimes I can see my RAM reaching close to 16 GB.
@@pradeepbetty those are the stuff I usually have running in parallel on my desktop but I want to switch to a laptop and not sure what to get do you have any suggestions? (I need something that would last long and still have high performance) +Do you have an idea if surface book 3 is good enough? (I lovvvvve touch screens but ofcourse wouldn't give up high performance and speed over a touch screen)
KA __ surface book 3 would be a great option. I currently own a 5th gen surface pro. But what ever surface devices u choose, make sure that it has a minimum 16GB of RAM and a quadcore CPU
Thank you for this video Sir. I’m a seasoned engineering professional (automation, robotic engineer). I’ve learned most of my codings from internet, never taken any classes. I would like to thank you for all your advices and instructions from your UA-cams, they have been extremely useful for me. So thank you Sir !
*Some more basic tips -* Download some more ram from the internet. And while you are at it, download a gpu and a good processor too. And don't forget to add RGB for extra performance.
@@ruilopes8159 True, but misleading/incorrect is still not great data to give a beginner, better to get it right the first time, and explain clearly why. Or give the options between two different things and give the pros and cons of each.
Интересно, кто такие программисты тогда, те кто пишут на python Django? или умеет подключить библиотеку для machine learning через pip одной строчкой, и вызвать из нее одну функцию?
I have a 15" macbook from 2013 and i still use it to this day along side my 11" air from 2012 both are great machines for programming and get the job done even with their aging hardware
PC hardware is a lot cheaper though. I will be building a PC to test out WSL2 to complement my Macbook Pro.
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Simon Beaulieu MacOS and Linux are both Unix based, so I actually think Windows is the black sheep there. Also the touchpad, screen and keyboard layout on MacBooks leave everything else out there in the dust imo. In addition, the build quality and sturdyness of a full aluminium case is a sight for sore eyes on the PC market.
@ I was cured last decade (so before w10 and unix macos and intel processors) when I gave in and bought a used ibook which died a year later and later a imac g5 which also died after less than a year. Still have it around for the day that i finally earn enough to get it fixed, so switching back to windows and linux was a necessity and felt easy after a few months . I admit the mac ux IS putting a smile on most peoples faces, including mine, but I like my linux lite and MX just as well now. And I couldn't connect my ipod nano to the ibook, while the then new eeepc connected out of the box).
Just throwing this out there: I think 8GB RAM nowadays is too little even for some lightweight programming. The main issue here are the other things running alongside your IDE - such as browsers (which you usually have running to do some research). Talking from experience, I recently upgraded to 16GB and the improvements were considerable. Before I was constantly hitting the 7.5GB threshold and experiencing severe slowdowns. Now I usually hover around 10~12GB and it's all good. To give some context, I'm using VSCode and node, though with multiple (up to 4) projects open and running in parallel.
I agree. Bought a new laptop a little bit over a year ago, and opted for 8 GB of RAM. I'd gotten by the previous 4 years with 6 GB and thought it would be fine. Now I really wish I'd gone for 16. I typically code with Vim, which runs fine on a toaster, but all these damned Electron applications consume so much memory. Slack is probably the worst offender.
Great video to tell new programmers which laptop to buy! I gently disagree with the minimum RAM size required based on my personal experiences. I would say a 16GB RAM is a minimum requirement for most of the developers. When doing development work for a company, people usually have a lot of programs running other than the IDE, such as web browser, MS word to write reports, PDF readers, local databases, containers and so on. For one web browser, they can have 20 tabs opening at the same time. All of these modern software and websites are RAM eaters. People will not spend a lot of time closing and re-opening those apps. So a 8GB RAM usually won't hold up.
proper project dependency management and version control and no, you shouldn’t have any problems with a mac and that workload - vs code even just released a new java developers pack for mac os, it’s pretty nice actually and made me finally dump eclipse for java development.
It strongly depends on what programming you do. If it is scientific programming, and the codes run for several hours on 100+ processor clusters, then even debugging such codes on a small laptop is a big issue, so the difference between good and bad hardware can save you a lot of time.
alex castel LTT has a guide. Good to look it up since theres some "hacking" involved (apple doesnt want anyone to install mac os on non apple hardware).
@@adampindelski2359 Parallels has it's issues though, like MacOS randomly pulling all memory from the VM. Running quite slow (unsure why this is as it shouldn't be), you also have the 20% problem that MacOS is running around 20% slower on equiv hardware to windows, so you introduce that lag to the VM as well, better to use Linux as it is more stable, will be supported longer, and is more efficient.
Slip Och Never heard of or experienced that "20% problem" working on both platforms. Macos is faster most of the time and most importantly very consistent. Windows has enormous random slowdowns.
Scott Parker short answer take your computer to a very reputable computer hardware guy if you have issues, and don’t break your expensive Apple shit. Now hit that like button fam. 😁😁😁
Very recently, Microsoft has come out with its WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) which allows devs to use Linux a lot more in Windows 10. WSL2 is coming out in the Spring (2020) for everyone and actually has the Linux kernel. Docker is actually in the progress of enabling its product to use WSL2. Just thought this should be put in the mix.
Good stuff. Funny though as I'm currently developing in Unity 3D (C#) for Linux, on a Mac. The "overhead" in Linux is really going to be dependent upon what language you're developing with and what the end goal (or platform) is. For example, off the top of my head, if one anticipates spending a lot of time working with Python, Linux is pretty ideal. The take away here is to be focused about what it is you want to learn before you commit to your purchase and the path you are taking to get there.
You can install Linux inside of Windows using WSL. And some IDEs like vscode can actually open themselves or just a terminal inside of Linux (thanks to an extension) so you have Windows as your OS and Linux for you command line. It works very well in my experience.
Great and informative video!! I was contemplating buying a used 2017 MacBook Pro for my programming journey or a 2020 iPad Pro to get my foot in the door at least but wasn’t sure if I had to wait until I had 2800 to buy a newer MacBook Pro. Thank you for your content!!
Hey I am student and want to buy a MacBook Air 2020 . Will it be a great choice ? I am an Artificial Intelligence & Machine Learning student . Suggestions please 🙏
Your totally missing the fact that windows 10 now supports Linux through wsl and wsl2 which make it a lot better at working with Unix like systems. I’m a Mac user my self btw but I find that this little addition should have been mentioned 😉
Yeah, and here i thought my NVMe drives were just storage drives; nope, they’re hard drives. Wait, that would mean there are 3 types of “hard drives” then 🙄
Love the video, bud! I'm a 20+ year "programmer" and I love watching these types of videos. I was mainly self-taught, so checking back in with videos like this tend to help my fundamental programming. For "stats" purposes, I run several different systems that mainly include Windows systems with the obvious dual boot. I'm a budget guy, so I tend to appreciate the Windows system a little more. But I completely agree with your "unix" assessment. As a long time coder, I have all OS's at the ready. Anyway, just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your work. I've just subscribed and look forward to navigating your video inventory. Keep up the good work and happy programming to all.
Some extra stuff:
- Don't trust a programmer who combs their hair
- As some people have pointed out there are ways to achieve a UNIX coding experience in Windows (so it's not a deal breaker)
- Another plus for PC: easy to UPGRADE hardware (tried not to be biased I swear 😅)
- You may need more RAM if you are running virtual machines or containers (but you can also do this in the cloud)
hey code drip, how much time did it take you from absolute zero amount of knowledge in programming/coding to getting a 6 figure job? (starting from the scratch)
Great channel, awesome tips! Thanks!
@@andrewspetaci1671 I started coding July (full time in Sept) and got a job in April - so 8-10 months depending on how you measure it
@@jans4787 I'll be going mobile / digital nomad again soon and will be doing a video on the stuff I bring, so yes
@@AaronJack yeah, so inspiring to know someone can flip his/her life around without a degree in just 1 year of hard work If he/she really wants it, i mean 6 figures sound pretty well off for just 1 year of skill dude, dont you think? (tryna get an idea for purchasing power and cost of living shit)
"You don't need that much performance"
_Android Studio intensifies_
Android Studio, Visual Studio, PyCharm, and so many more things that he messed up in this video
@@hugodsa89 True for everything else, but pycharm runs well on 4gb RAM (before upgrading my machine I experimented that)
@@hugodsa89 Microsoft Visual Studio Test Controller 2019 System Requirements
Requires a 2.6 GHz or faster processor. Quad core or better recommended.
Need something like a gaming pc to use this. i cant find a "programmer lap top" with a good enough cpu
@@artygator8167 I'm not a professional programmer (not even a programmer) but I think IDEs for python are kind of unnecessary xd.
Ikr 😂 it's basically taking up 90% of my ram rip
You miss the obvious thing imo : a good screen. That’s the most important part for developers. Eyes before exec time.
Fitting Theme. (For me Material Theme Palenight High Contrast)
f.lux.
Fira Code as Font for Editors.
Actual good monitor which does not cost a ton due to brand.
Done.
Heatst0rm aka. Spark sike!!!! Operator Mono theme for Developers. Fira Code is meh
@@mjohnson510 Didn't know about that one. Will give it a Go. Looks quite promising. Thanks for sharing :)
Heatst0rm aka. Spark sadly it’s $300 USD but Dank Mono is another good one
13,3 or 15,6 inches?
"As long as your machine is not more than 5 years old"
Me, looking at my Office Laptop from 2011: ah fuck
My node_modules folder wants to talk to you about the storage 😂
Again, how much storage we are talking for node? Obviously not a 128Gb. Co sidering Windows update over 5 years would have consumed like 70Gb(restores etc), but he is partially right. 256-512 Gb is more than enough. RAM wise 16 should be standard for programming IMO.
@@MrKar18 Yeah programming doesn't require that much of storage.. but still it's not the "only" thing which someone would do on his or her pc..
Like for computer science students who have to write frequent programs.. or play pc games.. what about that..
delete them after coding.. just npm install when you want to code again 😅😅😅😅😅
Right on point
@@lakshjadhwani6933 GitHub/BitBucket. No college programs will consume in 2x GBs unless you are developing a StockPhotos alternatives. I have been coding for years and I archive my code either in cloud and/or Github.
Actually, this video might be bad advice. I have ten years experience as a professional programmer and I've used all three operating systems mentioned in this video. They all work for generic programming, unless you want to get into some specific things like iOS programming or something.
There's no need to buy an expensive Macbook if all you want to do is code. If you're used to a Mac then sure, get one for coding. If you're used to anything else, get that. You need to be able to use the system in order to get stuff done. If you're new to computers at all, maybe get a PC and try Windows and Linux (parallel or one after the other) and see what feels right.
From best to worst in my experience, I'd recommend: Linux, Windows, Mac.
I realize that this video is heavily based on opinion, so that was mine :)
Yeah good luck getting GitBash or any unix like emulators to work on windows though. Terrible for backend devs. Linux or mac 100%
I agree with what you say. It is best to use an operating system that allows you to be comfortable when working. I changed from windows to linux (pop! _Os).
Hey I am student and want to buy a MacBook Air 2020 . Will it be a great choice ? I am an Artificial Intelligence & Machine Learning student .
Suggestions please 🙏
@@rishabhdhawad it is better to check air vs pro videos. I wwant to buy a macbook too but the cheap pro one. Check the processors. I am not going to give further information because i am not sure the information i've heard about are true or not.
+steps0x29a
I am also a programmer, been doing it for the last 6 years, and Windows is pure crap. Their file system, command line interface are completely opposite from the standard Unix like system that most programmers are used to.
Mac is the way to go, mostly because of it's clean UI, and also because it's command line is just as same as Linux, and with Homebrew, you also get the package manager you need for Mac.
I suggest Mac, and then Windows. Mac and Linux are both Unix-Like systems, but of course with Linux, you get far more access to the hardware and embedded devices than on Mac.
If you're doing Web Development or Mobile Development, just use a Mac. If you're creating specific system or embedded software, then it's easier to use Linux OS for that.
"Hardware isn't that important"
cries while using only Chrome and Android Studio
Size doesn’t matter, He must have never docker before.
he never open android studio..
jajaj yes that stuff eats all ram and some graphics
So 5 inch laptop...
Xcode
milworks because people are running multiple instances of docker applications at once on a laptop? who does that? what’s the purpose of it? Have you never heard of cloud deployment? In today’s day of age, and being a programmer yourself, how one chooses their laptop should not be entirely based on just specs alone, but also consider the convenience & UX & the job requirements - if you’re doing something that requires more than 2tb of storage and 32 gb ram on the go, it probably shouldn’t be an “on the go,” project anymore or be moved to the cloud. I don’t know of any developers working entirely offline either, that’s just not a thing. We’re too wired to being online, cutting file sizes down, improving efficiency, and more.
Ah man, here in Brazil a new Macbook is the price of an small apartment #LoL
My girlfriend is Brazilian but we live in NZ. When we went to get here a new laptop she was shocked at how cheap MacBooks were here. They're like 30k+ in Brazil! Mind blowing
@@TheNsNZ yes man, this is a result of many socialist measures taken by governments over the last 30 years. We have a lot of taxes, and we still have the worst public services in the region. Like education, we are the penultimate position in global hancking, ahead only of Angola (Africa). So, your girlfriend was lucky to get out of here.
"disk size doesn't matter"
Let's ask anyone who uses node_modules and docker images with =
A couple notable additions/corrections:
1. If you have an Advanced version of Windows 10, then you have access to Windows Subsystem for Linux, which allows you to run an Ubuntu shell as an application.
2. When coding in Windows, one often has Git Bash installed and can set that as a default terminal in VSCode to have access to normal bash commands.
3. VSCode has the ability to run from your Windows Subsystem for Linux
4. All of the above makes your implication that coding in Windows is an entirely different experience incorrect. The reality is you can have either system experience, so you have more options. Mac really should only be your choice if your colleagues use it or you're coding in Swift, otherwise you're paying too much for proprietary lock-in and a fruit logo on your laptop lid.
5. Sketch is available on the Cloud now as a service and is currently used by the designer on my team and we are a full Windows shop.
As an aside, you are correct that outside the SF bubble and certain companies, there are a lot more Windows companies and a lot more C# stacks.
Thanks for adding - I'm glad these workarounds exist - another thing I didn't mention: the ease of upgrading PC hardware is not to be overlooked, this combined with cost savings makes windows an even stronger choice.
Windows subsystem for Linux is the equivalent of using Wine in Linux to run ms word. Of course you can run it, but it is not optimal. Except for working on .net, why not have both the shell and also a good filesystem? yeah and privacy for those who care about that..
WSL has a long way to go. Not my cup of tea.
@@l0rdronny83 That may be somewhat true, but you use it as a tool, not as an OS replacement. Linux is fundamentally a command line and if that's what you're using it for, it's more than sufficient for most purposes. For example, it beats the heck out of connecting to servers (e.g. AWS EC2) with PuTTy and needing to convert your keys before you can use them. I find it very valuable. Not to mention, in Linux, you have to use Wine to run everything else (e.g. games) most of the time. Why suffer that overhead when you can have what you need from both worlds?
@D'oh! Great to know, thanks!
Excuse me sir ... My Visual Studio 2019 would like a word with your choice of RAM
No kidding lol someone needs to introduce him to netbeans it loves ram.
Android Studio: just passing by
He did say most code editors, not all... LoL...
16gb should be sufficient right? Haven't used VS but intellij. He addressed basic coders. Experienced would already k ow how much RAM they need ;)
8 gig should be enough
I completed my hello world program now I'm here 😎
note about the Mac being a designer's favorite choice. It's an outdated trend, that has no solid foundation. The designers just find it more comfortable and more stable. Designers just did it because everyone was doing it. The software for designing anything are also available on windows , even sketch is no longer a standard.
Yeah, just get Keira for free.. or photoshop if rich
I'd recommend something else: Buy a PC that is not that expensive, install a linux distribution on it. You'll code on the same machine for years at a cost that was very low.
@Rashed Arman google.com may help you. You're welcome
@Rashed Arman It is pretty easy to get into these days. Just start out with something like ubuntu and your good to go. You can get an ISO from their web site and they have instructions on how to put it on a usb stick. You can also try it out before you install it too.
@Boochie what do you mean it's not portable? What are you talking about..
@@Metruzanca I think he means pc vs laptop portability
@Rashed Arman 99% of internet services run on linux, so if you don't know it, you're missing out on huge opportunities.
Love the subtle StarCraft sound bytes! haha keep up the good work!
basically: as long as you dont do much, you dont need a nice laptop
Although, if you need such an advice, more likely than not you really don't yet, so his point still kinda stands.
Although, I'd advise to pay attention to comfortable keyboard and vertical space of the screen as well.
eats up 7 GB of RAM, & if u use android studio, the VM may eat another 4 GB, so to be feature proof, I recommend 32GB of RAM
I could get by with 16gb of high speed ram even with a vm. 32 is too much
Manu Shanboss 32GB to be “Future Proof”
In my case I’ve the following running in parallel
1) SQL server enterprise
2) SQL server management studio
3) Microsoft Teams
4) Angular CLI’s “ng build -watch”
5) Asp.net Core WebApi
6) Kestrel web server
7) Android studio with Emulators
8) Visual Studio Code
9) One Chrome window for WebApi swagger
10) One chrome window for Angular output + chrome developer tools
11) Assorted chrome tabs for help and other stuff.
12) Music player
13) Tripe Monitors.
With all this opened, sometimes I can see my RAM reaching close to 16 GB.
@@pradeepbetty those are the stuff I usually have running in parallel on my desktop but I want to switch to a laptop and not sure what to get do you have any suggestions? (I need something that would last long and still have high performance)
+Do you have an idea if surface book 3 is good enough? (I lovvvvve touch screens but ofcourse wouldn't give up high performance and speed over a touch screen)
KA __ surface book 3 would be a great option. I currently own a 5th gen surface pro. But what ever surface devices u choose, make sure that it has a minimum 16GB of RAM and a quadcore CPU
Dude, you had like less than 10k subs a few months ago. Congrats on the growth
This is so true and can create so much concern and really love the laptop. I hope to load more video and wish to understand more.
Thank you for this video Sir. I’m a seasoned engineering professional (automation, robotic engineer). I’ve learned most of my codings from internet, never taken any classes. I would like to thank you for all your advices and instructions from your UA-cams, they have been extremely useful for me. So thank you Sir !
Omg self taught? Teach me😫
i use linux in windows for development via WSL and i'm so happy about it's performing
just use Linux + kde plasma and YOU ARE FREE man!
wsl sucked .. since the release of wsl2 tho' .. changed the entire game..
The second version is better. The first version was way too slow.
Wsl didnt work for me, tried to run an api made on unix, couldnt get it to work, had to install fucking linux as dualboot anyways
Answered a lot of questions I had. Thank you 🙏
THANK YOU SO MUCH. Im just starting out and this is the most helpful video out of the 100 I have watched.
*Some more basic tips -*
Download some more ram from the internet. And while you are at it, download a gpu and a good processor too.
And don't forget to add RGB for extra performance.
😂😂
Oh, ok, so this is video for front-end developers. Programmers - just pass by.
Indeedy, although the point about screen ratios I made earlier does affect coding when you have tons of code to wade through.
not even front end developers ^^ - as soon as you have some heavy assets flying around the assumptions made here are invalid
To be fair, he did mention "code editors" and not IDEs. That is a pretty code int to the kind of programming this is targeted at - beginner stuff.
@@ruilopes8159 True, but misleading/incorrect is still not great data to give a beginner, better to get it right the first time, and explain clearly why. Or give the options between two different things and give the pros and cons of each.
Интересно, кто такие программисты тогда, те кто пишут на python Django? или умеет подключить библиотеку для machine learning через pip одной строчкой, и вызвать из нее одну функцию?
Great and Quality information , i have to say I love the music in the end
Awesome video!! Super helpful. Keep up the great work!!
You will need plenty amount of RAM and storage dealing with Virtual Machines, containers and local artifact repositories.
Dude! Can u make video about tensorflow, dataset training?
Very useful info. Thanks!
Thanks for this. Very helpful.
Urban Legend says,"use vm for osx".
Once you get used to a Mac, it's hard to get back to anything that was before.
I just moved to Microsoft. Wish me luck!
@@saragubran6529 it’s fairly easy to get a grip on its good to know both
I like Linux because I can make it do what I like about Macs but lighter and without the handholding
I loved how you organised the video. First you gave an unbiased report of each one of them, and then you clearly stated what your opinion was.
Love the bottom line approach!
This is going to bother windows fanboys, they don’t like videos that don’t completely bash Apple and put windows on a pedestal. You’re a brave man
Just the reason that mac builds their hardware monopoly is reason enough to not buy a mac
I have a 15" macbook from 2013 and i still use it to this day along side my 11" air from 2012 both are great machines for programming and get the job done even with their aging hardware
same here. mbp late 2013 model, still holding strong and NO keyboard issue unlike the later models.
Tori Z could you tell me the year when the keyboard started to be bad? Thank you!
@@babacool81 2016
Rahul Moghe thank you!
Thank you lots for the video, all the details were very clear and concise :) 加油 ^ - ^ ！！
Great video. Thanks for a informative video. It is much appreciated!
I'm starting out on a laptop that was put together in the spring of '09...
So you'll learn much more. Started on a Commodore C-64. Look on those specs... ;-)
Most developers become Mac fanboys (or fangirls) eventually. Once you get a taste, it’s difficult to go back to windows.
.... what about Linux :( I switched from this to a Mac and I want to die every single day.
I tried going to Mac from Windows and its just so infuriating that I can't do as much. Linux is nice though
PC hardware is a lot cheaper though. I will be building a PC to test out WSL2 to complement my Macbook Pro.
Simon Beaulieu MacOS and Linux are both Unix based, so I actually think Windows is the black sheep there. Also the touchpad, screen and keyboard layout on MacBooks leave everything else out there in the dust imo. In addition, the build quality and sturdyness of a full aluminium case is a sight for sore eyes on the PC market.
@ I was cured last decade (so before w10 and unix macos and intel processors) when I gave in and bought a used ibook which died a year later and later a imac g5 which also died after less than a year. Still have it around for the day that i finally earn enough to get it fixed, so switching back to windows and linux was a necessity and felt easy after a few months .
I admit the mac ux IS putting a smile on most peoples faces, including mine, but I like my linux lite and MX just as well now. And I couldn't connect my ipod nano to the ibook, while the then new eeepc connected out of the box).
Wow, awesome explanation. Instantly subscribed.
Wow thanks for the advices. I plan to buy a laptop having both ssd and hdd !! ⭐
Just throwing this out there:
I think 8GB RAM nowadays is too little even for some lightweight programming. The main issue here are the other things running alongside your IDE - such as browsers (which you usually have running to do some research).
Talking from experience, I recently upgraded to 16GB and the improvements were considerable. Before I was constantly hitting the 7.5GB threshold and experiencing severe slowdowns. Now I usually hover around 10~12GB and it's all good. To give some context, I'm using VSCode and node, though with multiple (up to 4) projects open and running in parallel.
I agree. Bought a new laptop a little bit over a year ago, and opted for 8 GB of RAM. I'd gotten by the previous 4 years with 6 GB and thought it would be fine. Now I really wish I'd gone for 16. I typically code with Vim, which runs fine on a toaster, but all these damned Electron applications consume so much memory. Slack is probably the worst offender.
Visual Studio called and wants to talk to you about performance :D
This is the video I was looking for
Very helpful!!
What do you mean by "overhead" when you're talking about Linux? Could you explain more on this?
>best laptop for programming
>doesn't mention Thinkpad
Should I buy a T460? I was gonna go refurbished just to save money, but if I could buy something a little more let me know.
Mark Layhee I got a thinkpad t490 and it’s a beast
@@millabasset1710 any thinkpad with an ssd and 8 or 16mb of ram will be a perfect programming laptop. 15 inch is more practical.
@@tutorialesinterchile9853 u said 16 mb instead of 16 gb😂
Thinkpad is very good, but it has only one slot for RAM.
Very good video!
Thanks. I liked this
Great video to tell new programmers which laptop to buy! I gently disagree with the minimum RAM size required based on my personal experiences. I would say a 16GB RAM is a minimum requirement for most of the developers. When doing development work for a company, people usually have a lot of programs running other than the IDE, such as web browser, MS word to write reports, PDF readers, local databases, containers and so on. For one web browser, they can have 20 tabs opening at the same time. All of these modern software and websites are RAM eaters. People will not spend a lot of time closing and re-opening those apps. So a 8GB RAM usually won't hold up.
Just close some programs.
Programming apps, I'd say hardware is important for running vms
Thanks for your advice sir it was so helpful
Those super smash bros sounds are bringing me back. Haha, nice video too!
Posting this from a Thinkpad T520 :).
i dont have to buy laptop and i am here for no reason
Same
Great quality. And you speaking is very perfect)
Great infos!
This means SSD is THE MEMORY so if you see 512 SSD this means you HAVE 512 gb that u can use?
Unless you are an Android Dev working in an app with 1 million+ lines of Java and 500k + native code and 4-5 minute build/install times...
proper project dependency management and version control and no, you shouldn’t have any problems with a mac and that workload - vs code even just released a new java developers pack for mac os, it’s pretty nice actually and made me finally dump eclipse for java development.
Love your content
Thanks for the video, even as experienced programmer you get idea of switching from windows to mac
i love the memes editing xD
“As long as your machine is less than 5 years old” 😬😰
Thanks a lot!
The music at the beginning was a straight vibe.
Macbook air 2020 with i5 8gb RAM and 256gb ssd will be fine for programming ?
I comb my hair.. and I am using an old beat up MacBook Pro 2013..
How can I be a cool kid like you
I'm using a 2012 MBP
It strongly depends on what programming you do. If it is scientific programming, and the codes run for several hours on 100+ processor clusters, then even debugging such codes on a small laptop is a big issue, so the difference between good and bad hardware can save you a lot of time.
bought a high end macbook pro in 2015 --- still running strong and i have no desire to replace it anytime soon
I use Ubuntu Linux with a VM for Mac and one for Windows *Living the best of all worlds*
Z3ntr0 how did u set that up ?
Mac as a host and vms here. Too much hustle to setup macos vm on linux and parallels saves a lot of time in general.
alex castel LTT has a guide. Good to look it up since theres some "hacking" involved (apple doesnt want anyone to install mac os on non apple hardware).
@@adampindelski2359 Parallels has it's issues though, like MacOS randomly pulling all memory from the VM. Running quite slow (unsure why this is as it shouldn't be), you also have the 20% problem that MacOS is running around 20% slower on equiv hardware to windows, so you introduce that lag to the VM as well, better to use Linux as it is more stable, will be supported longer, and is more efficient.
Slip Och Never heard of or experienced that "20% problem" working on both platforms. Macos is faster most of the time and most importantly very consistent. Windows has enormous random slowdowns.
You're the first programmer to tell me I need a Mac. 😂
everyone needs a mac now and then ... big mac that is :)
@@evilspoon6833 grand big mac is now a thing
You really helped now I can make my programming tutorial channel
Thank you arron 😊
My 200 chrome/brave tabs want to talk about your RAM recommendations.
exactly, looks like he never searched for a fix on Google/StackOverflow.
I really want to click the like button but you didn’t mention any of the issues of getting repairs on Apple devices
true that - windows hardware is also easy to upgrade - so gives flexibility in that regard
Scott Parker short answer take your computer to a very reputable computer hardware guy if you have issues, and don’t break your expensive Apple shit. Now hit that like button fam. 😁😁😁
@@hahahahhahahhaha786 From what I've seen 2nd party repairs are not even a possibility on new Macs.
Buy that applecare plus bro
You could buy a high spec PC and run Hackintosh on it for a fraction of a price of a real Apple. Just look at supported hardware first before building
Very recently, Microsoft has come out with its WSL (Windows Subsystem for Linux) which allows devs to use Linux a lot more in Windows 10. WSL2 is coming out in the Spring (2020) for everyone and actually has the Linux kernel. Docker is actually in the progress of enabling its product to use WSL2.
Just thought this should be put in the mix.
Good stuff. Funny though as I'm currently developing in Unity 3D (C#) for Linux, on a Mac.
The "overhead" in Linux is really going to be dependent upon what language you're developing with and what the end goal (or platform) is. For example, off the top of my head, if one anticipates spending a lot of time working with Python, Linux is pretty ideal. The take away here is to be focused about what it is you want to learn before you commit to your purchase and the path you are taking to get there.
You can install Linux inside of Windows using WSL. And some IDEs like vscode can actually open themselves or just a terminal inside of Linux (thanks to an extension) so you have Windows as your OS and Linux for you command line. It works very well in my experience.
tried it, it sucks
for dev work i switched to mac and never looked back. i only ever use my windows station for gaming .
If you want to start to program. I suggest: The system you already have.
Thanks for the suggestion man. I'll use my 10 year old Pentium with 3GB of RAM and Windows 7🙃🙃🙃
99.9K subscribers! A hair’s breadth away. I still say you’ll hit 500K by end of December.
I'm still using a late 2012 MacBook pro for devolvement and it's still holding pretty strong for almost a 10 yr old computer
You must do very low level programing.... nothing complicated. Probably some HTML, CSS, JS?
With how good linux subsystem is getting on Windows, it's an even stronger option.
The problem is the lack of features to help you program. KDE tends to be optimal.
@@_nom_ laughs in visual studio
0:15 lol i thought I was going to hear the whole laptop being thrown away, not just the box 😂
awesome bro
Great and informative video!! I was contemplating buying a used 2017 MacBook Pro for my programming journey or a 2020 iPad Pro to get my foot in the door at least but wasn’t sure if I had to wait until I had 2800 to buy a newer MacBook Pro. Thank you for your content!!
Hey I am student and want to buy a MacBook Air 2020 . Will it be a great choice ? I am an Artificial Intelligence & Machine Learning student .
Suggestions please 🙏
Try alienware or Asus Z15
7:51 is your girlfriend-girlfriend as well?
Nice vid, what exact software did you make this presenation with? Is it PowerPoint?
if u using low level stuff. u need ram and good amount of cpu cores, cause that complier got compile
Your totally missing the fact that windows 10 now supports Linux through wsl and wsl2 which make it a lot better at working with Unix like systems. I’m a Mac user my self btw but I find that this little addition should have been mentioned 😉
I use Acer Chromebook 715 ( premium Chromebook)
For programming
No lagging
It's smooth
Just a pointer: my docker image takes up a ton of space and this containerization is only getting more prevalent. So does XCode (for the libs).
Soon 100 000 subscribers 👏
There are two types of Hard Drives: HDD and SSD. Wait, what? 😂
Lmoa
Yeah, and here i thought my NVMe drives were just storage drives; nope, they’re hard drives. Wait, that would mean there are 3 types of “hard drives” then 🙄
Ryan V nvme is a type of ssd, also theres also sshd (solid state hybrid drive)
@@Endy3032, true that on the NVMe.
@@vijf ua-cam.com/video/Btq2oahjwB4/v-deo.html
Aaron: the code itself takes no space at all
node_modules: aha
75GB of dummy data from a database stress test: AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Love the video, bud! I'm a 20+ year "programmer" and I love watching these types of videos. I was mainly self-taught, so checking back in with videos like this tend to help my fundamental programming. For "stats" purposes, I run several different systems that mainly include Windows systems with the obvious dual boot. I'm a budget guy, so I tend to appreciate the Windows system a little more. But I completely agree with your "unix" assessment. As a long time coder, I have all OS's at the ready. Anyway, just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your work. I've just subscribed and look forward to navigating your video inventory. Keep up the good work and happy programming to all.
thanks jack