@@JustJoshTech when will you speak on the benefits of the dedicated navigation keys:- Home, End, PgUp, PgDn , for students and programmers. These keys makes the laptop more productive. I have to buy the 16" inch version of the Yoga Pro 9i only because the 14inch does not have the Column of the navigation keys(Home, End, PgUp, PgDn). You can use those keys navigation keys as dedicated on the 16inch variant when the numpad is off.
Please do a video on larger laptops (16 inch), I've been in the market for a laptop for strictly programming for school/work. Also I like the speed that you talk at. It's not too fast and you are clear and concise--something a lot of other tech reviewers could learn from, lol.
I would personally wait until the Framework Laptop 16 is out. The screen specs were just revealed and they look EPIC! (Unfortunately, it has been delayed to summer 2023, meaning I'll have to limp along without Nvidia, which is a problem, but the alternative is wasting more money on an imperfect laptop I'll probably use for less than a year...)
@@JustJoshTech Yeah, I think most coders have pretty set up home or office spaces they do the majority of their work in and having the main screen be large enough to be useful along side larger monitors is a huge QOL improvement. And it's still pretty portable when you are on the go. And if you're a gamer too or need a GPU, then going bigger is even more of a no brainer
Great video as always Josh. As a developer who is spending more time on a laptop, I would love for you to do a video on larger screen laptops as often, I struggle with insufficient screen space even on a 15 inch laptop but don't always want to connect to an external monitor.
Future data analyst here, same thing here! I've even made my windows and font sizes smaller due to lack of screen space, so my next laptop will definitely be 16+
Maybe not a solution to your problem depending on what you are specifically referring too, but having a Mac with an iPad is absolutely amazing. The way these connect is a breeze and acts like device you can bring around anywhere to digest content and such, as well as being a perfect secondary screen. I typically put my laptop on a stand and then put my iPad on the keyboard of my laptop. With this, I use an external keyboard and mouse. 100% recommended.
Just to clarify, I use a 15 inch Dell Precision and tend to have many windows open for Visual Studio, SSMS, browser, etc. During the day, I'm either connected to a 49" widescreen or a pair of 24" monitors so I have no issue with screen space. However, I often want to do additional work on an evening or even just play with new tech whilst relaxing on the sofa and this is when I just find a 15" screen means I'm swapping windows too often, so a 17" would offer some more space. I have tried a wireless connection to a 14" Galaxy tab and while this works well to extend the display, it just isn't practical on the sofa. Whilst I love the performance and overall quality of the MacBook 16, I'm a Windows guy at heart and find myself gravitating to the Dell XPS 17. Unfortunately, even the lazy 2023 refresh still causes disappointment with only a 720p webcam so I would like to know about other 17" laptops or workstations. Manufacturers like Lenovo and HP may have been an option in the past but they both seem to have dropped 17" screens and limit customers to 16" (which doesn't offer much more screen space than than my work 15"). I do like the thought of the Razer 18" but price and bad support reputation put me off. The Alienware m18 also gets some good reviews but its bulk and weight would likely crush my lap ;-)
@@soulfabuk have you tried to increase the resolution? I do this on my mac and then increase font size a tad, and this gives me more space to work with (i also do this on my tablet). This allows me to have a smaller more portable device with more space to work with.
As a ML engineer and a student I would like to add that, with current developments in AI and ML related fields, your laptop GPU won't usually suffice. So if you do not game, don't buy laptop with dedicated GPU and save money. Your office and your university usually will provide you with GPU cluster or powerful CPU servers for your work / study projects. And always focus on the possibility of having as much RAM as possible just like Josh mentioned.
@@srinidhibs5460 any laptop is fine if you don't want dGPU in your laptop. You can use colab or kaggle if your University for any reason does not provide you with GPU cluster access. Try to get one which is portable, has a good screen (and bigger screen) and a good keyboard. Try to find something cheap (probably look into used laptops) if you are a student and save money. You don't need a Mac unless you really want to have one.
@@srinidhibs5460 no for ML windows laptops are good ther are very powerful compare to MacBook and also you can install Linux on it only drawback is battery but you are getting raw power and ML need high end CPU and GPU mainly GPU for ML, buy a dedicated GPU laptop with 16 to 32 gig of Ram also also the the pro features of microsoft office is only for windows not macOS for good keyboard go for ThinkPad series
Heat through the keyboard and fan noise are indeed ignored by many other "reviewers" who just read the product description on the product page. This is absolutely why I like your reviews. And your speech isn't fast, the cadence is ideal and great, because I don't want to deal with double the time to convey the right amount of information. She might be used to older gen content.
I’d love to see a 16 inch version as well, just because those tend to strike a better balance between performance and portability in my opinion. Also many amazing laptops are only available in one size But thank you for the video! And I applaud your dedication to trying out every laptop before you fully recommend it
I would say the most important factors for a programming laptop are the screen, the battery life, and the keyboard. A dGPU is also good if you do game programming. Avoid 16 : 9 screens (go for 16 : 10 or 3 : 2 preferably), and put a high amount of focus in the keyboard. The last thing you want is hating to type on your own laptop you just paid your hard earned money. The touchpad is honestly not a big deal comparably as good mice are much better than any touchpad and aren't too expensive. And don't get a laptop that can't do light tasks for less than 5 hours of battery life! Finally, while Linux _can_ be run on Apple Silicon Macs, Asahi Linux just isn't ready yet for most users. If you even think you'll hate macOS or even need Linux, then don't even think about a Mac for the moment. If you prefer Linux, try waiting for the Framework Laptop 13 or 16, or wait for a System76 laptop to come with a 16 : 10 screen (that will happen in a few months, I'm sure of it) unless you need something immediately, then you may bs SOOL unless you can either wait or buy a Windows laptop and put Linux on it. For me, the Framework Laptop 16 (with its seemingly amazing 16 : 10 screen revealed yesterday) is perfect. In the meantime, I'm going to limp along without Nvidia...
I had gotten a Lenovo Legion Y530 when I went to college for computer science, and it worked well for all my four years. Albeit, one year was at home on my desktop due to Covid. Depending on what you're doing, I highly recommend getting 32 GB of RAM. If you're doing any Android development using an emulator or have WSL running, or both at the same time 16 GB would not be enough. Having dedicated arrow keys, Delete, Page Up/Down, Home and End keys are also really nice to have to jump around your code easily. The biggest gripe I had with my Legion gaming laptop was the weight and battery life. Having to lug that across campus and always looking for an outlet was really annoying. I chose it, because I thought I was going to be gaming quite a bit in the evening or on weekends, but I ended up just working on assignments, studying, or hanging out with friends so getting a gaming laptop was probably unnecessary
@@lobotomizedjesse After graduating, I bought a 14" MacBook Pro (refurb M2 Pro, 12 core CPU) for work. Its been adequate, but I definitely do feel it struggling a little with the 16GB of memory
I got my degree in CS - graduated top 10% of my class - with an underpowered intel U series dual core 13” Inspiron laptop that had massive bezels, a small crack in the corner of the screen, and a broken touchpad. (It might have been someone else’s return, but it also might have just been Dell’s terrible QC ). 8GB of RAM and a 64GB partition for Ubuntu was extremely limiting and very frustrating at times, but i didn’t have money, so I made it work. Nowadays, plenty of laptops under $1000 have 6 or more cores, 16GB of RAM, and 512GB of SSD storage. Hello World is not any harder to run now than 5 or 10 years ago. The point is - when there’s a will, there’s a way. The barriers to learning are so incredibly low now, even cheap computers today are 10-20x faster in overall performance than the ones 5-10 years ago. That said.. as soon as I started making my own money, I retired my old laptop immediately and bought a 15” MacBook Pro. The difference is night and day. Every last penny I spent on that MacBook was worth it. Software development on a Mac is an absolute dream. Having a big, bright, high resolution screen to look at code and multitask between emails, messaging classmates / coworkers, stack overflow, IDE, terminal sessions, etc.. is so nice, and the trackpad gestures let me fly through it. Having a comfortable keyboard and palm rest that I can use for hours at a time, is nice. Having a giant, pin accurate trackpad is nice. Having great mic/speakers for online meetings, or even just listening to music in the background, is nice. Cheap windows laptops have more than enough performance for coding, but I wouldn’t want to go back to one. Also - used/refurbished premium laptops are an excellent value proposition. You can get a used 15” or 16” MacBook Pro or Dell XPS 15 or 17 for right around $1000 - $1500 with 32GB RAM, 1TB storage, and all the other niceties like big bright screen, etc. in fact, I’m thinking about getting a refurbished XPS 17 myself to replace my desktop PC, but waiting for a sale to see if the price drops more
Well done video. I appreciate that as a professional tool you don't try to recommend one model for everyone. Since text clarity is so important I think it's worth talking about screen resolution, DPI, and how macOS and Windows scale differently. I'll also take the larger screen if the tradeoff is only +1 pound and needing a bigger bag.
With the price of RAM and SSD storage being near "rock bottom"; Apple is hard to sell to me, they charge a kidney for upgrades and not really serviceable. I stick with HP, Lenovo and Dell as they usually have a hardware maintenance and service manual. Josh, great video and insightful as always.
Lenovo and Dell laptops are nice. The battery life isn't as good as Macbooks, but modern ones are still good enough to get 4 hours of intense work and video before needing to be charged. 8-12 hours of light work without videos watched.
@@akin242002what about hp battery life? I have used hp laptop recently and I was satisfied with its battery life.. but now I am thinking to switch to Dell, is it good to go with Dell or i stick to hp💀
@@romesh1832 It depends more on the CPU. Intel or Ryzen "U" series CPUs get good battery life beyond 4 hours. Battery life decreases once you start using more performance focused P/H/K series CPUs.
My windows laptop got bricked by an update. I agree with you as a pc only person I love the options and deals on those but I just despise Microsoft so much at this point that I'd rather bite the bullet on the mac
With my current experience as a CS student, I’d completely avoid the M series MacBook. Many courses make use of virtual machines that are only made for X86-64 architectures. Sure, professors may eventually commission people to make new VM configs for the new MacBooks, but some are just completely against that.
@@Elle-nv8gg I’m not completely up to date with the laptop market, but I’ll tell you my criteria. Other than what Josh mentioned in the video, I’d consider a machine that has great compatibility with Linux and uses an Intel or AMD CPU. I don’t know if you’ll jump straight into Linux, but if you do, I’d look at a laptop from brands like Tuxedo, System76 or Slimbook. For the big OEMs, I’d look at Lenovo or ASUS’ latest models. The brands that offer the best compatibility on all models are Lenovo and Dell, but Dell’s latest models are a real shame. For more details on compatibility of individual laptops, you can go on the Arch Wiki and look at the articles for each laptop brand. For a specific model to look for, I’d say Lenovo Thinkpad T14.
I code on a few thinkpad X1 Carbons. Solid battery life, display and powerful enough for what i'm doing. It has support for Debian Linux. I would highly recommend a new programmer to pick up a refurbished model if they are on a budget. Intel 8th to 10th CPUs doesn't make much of a difference. But if some level of graphics is required, intel 11th and 12th gen would be more than enough with the Xe IGP.
@@neilduffy334 The touchpad was bad for the X1C 9, and the webcam was sub par at 720p and 60hz refresh rate. However, that has changed for the X1C 10. Better touchpad, and 1080p webcam. Add on Intel's12th gen P series CPU. Only remaining issue is heat when the workload gets CPU intense. Still great for scripting languages like Python, R, Ruby, or Lua. I'd recommend the ThinkPad T series for intense programming work. C, C++, Rust, Java, C# or Go.
@@akin242002 I recently had the x13 gen 3 & the x1 carbon gen 10 oled. The screen on the x1c was great, but everything else was poor. The glass touchpad gained an oil stain / fingerprint mark I could not remove (x13 mylar was no issue), and the sensitivity was poor compared to x13.
As a person working with a Laptop on construction sites: 2 mirrored SSDs, incase the device gets damaged and there is no backup with the newest data. Atleast 4 USB ports, half half type C and A is fine. Ethernet port is a must have. Full size keyboard, the more keys the better. no high end top of the line CPU, think about runtime. Onboard grafics is enough. Debloat windows if you use it for better battery livetime. Use a tool to contol the CPU, disable turbo when battery time is needed or environment is really dirty, dont want to clean the fan every week.
Developer for 13 years here: I've been forced to use 14 inch or smaller laptops my entire career. How many professional programmers even get a choice? Usually there's a standard issue corporate model and that's it - I've had to put extra effort at multiple orgs just to get them to give me more than 8GB of RAM!
I agree with the 14inch. But every company I've worked with gave me 64GB RAM, more RAM than my personal device lol.. From embedded programming field to backend development. Personally, I like 14inch. It's small and light. Companies have thunderbolt docks and monitor at the office, I have my own.
I like 3 monitors. The laptop and two full sized displays. One for documentation (left), one to code on (center), and one to display results (right). The laptop alone doesn't cut it.
For the past 6 months, I've been looking into buying a laptop and figuring a lot of stuff out. Josh is easily one of the better reviewers I've come across since he actually explains how things are going to affect you instead of just listing the specs or something which I could've literally found out by reading it on any website myself. I really appreciate the spreadsheet too btw. Like A LOT. And thank you sooooooo much for including the warning part, those make life a lot easier. And also, macbooks seem to have pretty decent pricing these days but they make you pay a lot more if you want higher ram and storage and they don't let you upgrade those later on, so that's something to consider as well.
Loved the video review but please also do a 16 inch review too! Some of us are willing to pay extra for the screen size while on the go too. A comparison battle between the 14 inch vs 16 inch would be a bonus!
I think most of your crowd tends to go for a minimum of x1.25 speed by default. I do appreciate the amount of detail. Btw, you had a very high reverb/echo in the Framework laptop overview. It feels a bit better now, but I think if you could make changes to the setup or add a bit more filtering a crisper sound will make sound nicer and easier to understand. Thanks for posting :)
As software developer for 10 plus years. I decided last year to go with the the 16gb i7, Surface Pro 9.. It has enough power for what I need to get done. Also for me, it fits the sweet spot when it comes to portability for when I am on the go. Also when I am at home, I plug it into my wide screen monitor. The audio quality is pretty great as well, so its good for watching videos..
@@msx94 Yeah no worries. Currently I am using both Java and Flutter. Also I would never tell you not to get more memory. You get what fits your needs. For me, 16gb fits my needs.
14 inch displays are horrible for programming but portability is also important when having a laptop which isn't used as a space saving replacement for a stationary PC.
I would really avoid apple's M1 and M2 for coding. There are so many issues when coding, especially with multithreading. A lot of my fellow students have been unable to get some of their to work on a M1/M2 done. One course in particular, assigned us (for the exam) to make a matrix library for C, and importantly benchmark and evaluate multithreaded vs singlethreaded code. Unfortunately for the Macbook users, no one was able to parallelize their code. This obviously affected their grade.
I think it’s also a correction method issue. For these kinds of things, all my professors told their students to do the benchmarks on their own, but also that results are validated at correction in a controlled environment (a Linux virtual machine). That would be very easy to get a grade revision for this.
Any explanation on why they couldn't parallelize their code? I haven't used an M1/M2 Macbook, but I don't see any reasons why you'd have any issues writing multithreaded software on them. I've written multithreaded programs for university using C and OpenMP and was able to build and run them with no issues on a desktop, ARM phone and RPI
Work gave us Macbooks, first time I've ever used a Mac, and I've been using it for multithreading and have not encountered any issues whatsoever with coding. In fact, this little machine has pretty much blown my mind as far as filling all the boxes for me. I'm a newer mac user but pleasantly been a fan of these new silicon chips.
As a programmer I'd recommend at least 32 GB RAM for memory hungry Docker containers and all your software. And at least 1-2 TB of Storage. I personally work with VERY large databases, anywhere between 1 GB to 200+ GB and it's gonna fill your drive really fast.
Excellent video. I've been using a ThinkPad X1 Yoga for the past 3 years and can echo the sentiments that it's an excellent choice. Perfect on Linux too; currently rocking Fedora KDE. I'd also like to warn about Dell XPS laptops in general. A number of colleagues have used them over the years and run into lots of trouble: physical breakage, not enough ports, poor performance, and weird hardware options that make no sense you have to know to avoid. I'd stay away.
@@santoshpatelpilli1190 I don't know much about newer Spectres, but I had one before the X1 Yoga. It was nice, but over the course of 3 years, its screen backlight and trackpad both broke. I think the Spectre machines focus so much on looks that they aren't physically built tough enough. Meanwhile my X1 is still going strong, nothing broken.
Best from Macbooks: - M2 Macbook Pro 14/16 - M1 Macbook Pro 14/16 - M2 Macbook Air with 16GB of RAM & 512GB of SSD. - M1 Macbook Air with 16GB of RAM. Best from PCs: - Dell XPS 17 - Lenovo ThinkPad T14 G3 or T16 - LG Gram 16 (2023 version).
Speech speed is fine. I like It! But you’re crazy! The good kind of crazy. Making the list must’ve been an insanely time consuming task, and ordering every laptop is bananas. Can’t wait to see those videos!
I prefer 15+ inches for programming. I just got a M2 16" for personal use, and work just gave me a M2 16" too. Love the machine for development. I think it is important to be able to dock it, also. Using it on the go is great, but when I get home or to the office, I need it to plug into bigger screens, decent keyboards, and a good mouse. M2 + 2 displays + mechanical keyboard + mx master mouse is a must for me when I need to really do some serious work.
You are not speaking to fast. It’s just perfect like this. The videos are very specific, the info ia to the point, that is exactly what I am looking for in this segment :)
Thanks Josh! All your videos are very informative! Currently, I'm loving my Dell XPS 15 (9530), which didn't receive a rave review from you. In fact, I have the model that you'd rate an unfortunate mistake (i9 with FHD!). In any case, I was quite surprised by the device since I own a 16" M1 Pro, which I of course love! I've been gaming and doing some content creation on it. I'm not sure what it is but, being an unhappy XPS owner in the past, this particular model and configuration is blowing me away. It works flawlessly (for now), which is saying a lot. I know Dell isn't hugely popular with the tech community right now, but, as a tech-savvy individual, I'm not experiencing any buyer's remorse, which is all one can really ask for these days. Cheers! And keep up the great work! 🙏
@@mayureshs80 You can hear them when underload but nothing crazy. It's a pretty quiet machine. So far I'm really impressed. I used to own a 7590 (OLED) and 9500 (UHD). I had serious issues with those.
For programming, all you really need is a machine that could install and run the IDE that you use. Gaming machine just doesn't come well with coding, as you'd run out battery too soon while you coding. So it is best to avoid dedicated GPU, or use laptops that has both integrated and dedicated GPU build in. There are times dedicated GPU is useful such as when you need 3D acceleration in a virtual machine, using 3D rendering OR other game engine (e.g. Unity & Unreal), AI processing lastly. For student who currently studying computing in college, depends on your specific degree and major, you may never need to do any of those. For professionals, it may be a better idea to build a desktop running those heavy task, and use remote desktop if you need control on your laptop. All of the options listed in the video are great options if you have money. However is there any significant difference compare to lower-end devices. Not necessarily, unless you running programs that take hours to compile (which is more of a workload for desktop/servers). Getting a better laptop doesn't boost you to become a better coder, it also doesn't make you code fast. I have been in college for many years and using my 6 years old intel mac (low end specs at today's standards) with no problem programming for android(android studio), iOS, windows(.NET with visual studio), Linux(Ubuntu). Although I did run out of storage because of the OSes and application installed. I resolve this by install Linux and windows separately into external hard drives. If you buy a windows laptop, you might want to keep a note on the storage size and upgradability. Otherwise you might running out of storage（512gb) in a few years (Personally I don't play games, so you'd need much more storage space if you want gaming. Considering today's games are so large in size compare few years ago).
thanks for the comments brother it was usefull and i'm a 1st year student of btech cse.. software like android studio , vscode , java go etc i would like to explore more software and learn moreover aftereffect,photoshop grapic etc are my area of interest...i was about buy a mac m1 air 2020 but pirated software like adobe premier , illustrator etc some software cant be installed..so only way would be windows laptops....in my mind i have a asus zephrus 14 whats your thoughts on this ?????
Congratulations for coming to college. I generally do not suggest macbook air, as it throttles if do some heavy work load like in aftereffects and adobe premier. I know many people are using the asus zephrus g14, and it is indeed a great option, balanced between performance, battery life and mobility, and the design is slick too. Other options listed in this video also works fine, however just remember for windows laptop you loss a lots of performance if you not plugged in. If you have the experience in building a PC or you’ve watched videos of how to build a PC. I actually think it’s a better ideas to build a PC you self, this way you have the potential to upgrade in case later you need more performance for tasks I talked above. However only build a PC if you have any old/current laptop that you could use to remotely connect to & work on the PC. If this is not possible, then go with the g14, I do think it’s a great deal/laptop. 😃
One thing to think about as well is there are plenty of good options for ex-lease machines, Elitebook 840 G5,6,7 and Thinkpad L14, T14 and P14 machines of different generations can be found on a budget and have great build quality and still have life in them due to being upgradable.
Thank you! People are sleeping on ThinkPad T14 laptops. The ease of compatibility with Linux and upgradable RAM & SSD makes it a must for programmers. At my job, most programmers are using these as their laptops. They are encouraged to use WSL and VS if they work in the office. My favorite is Lenovo ThinkPad T14 G3. Great build quality, great keyboards, and runs WSL flawlessly. Only issue is battery life is...meh. Only front-end developers are using MacBooks.
The ideal laptop for me as a computer engineering student would usually be a Thinkpad as I am rocking a Thinkpad right now, but if I were to buy a new one the ideal one for me would be the unreleased Framework 16. It is fully upgradeable and repairable and has chance for an external battery on the expansion bay. I am searching for a laptop that can outclass the macbook pro 16 and I think the Framework 16 with ryzen 7 and extended battery can go toe to toe with it.
oh yeah more than enough. make sure have 16gb or more of ram and an ipad air or just a wacom tablet to write all the math equations and ure set.@@qs_ma8017
You explain all in a very easy way and the most important thing, is that you are saying facts about every laptop and not recommending only the most expensive. Like and suscribe, greetings from Spain 😉
Josh, something that would be helpful with this specific topic: linux compatibility. The program I am studying requires Unix, so that that’s either Macos or linux. Given the high prices for macbooks, it would be nice to know how well these pcs you recommend function under a linux. 😊
Yea very important! Try to avoid dual gpus like Intel gpu + Nvidia. Avoid that, just buy a amd processor with integrated gpu (ryzen). Without a dedicated gpu. Linux will thank you!
28 yrs in field here. Your points are valid, but the omission of the Surface lineup is staggering. Over the years The Surface Book1/2/3, studio laptop, even the cheaper Laptop 5 have been excellent performers and quite frankly are the ONLY laptops that can compete with Apple on build quality and materials. As I type this on a Surface Book myself from 2015, it has been a beast for me, and I do have a Macbook Pro as well, but the surface has the best 3:2 screen I've used at 3000x2000, battery still lasts all day and this is my main daily, and simply the best keyboard and trackpad on the Windows side of laptops. Not one laptop I've picked up since this thing has impressed me, and in fact it's only replacement is a Studio Laptop which isn't as good imho but does have a 14.5" screen which is perfect. While the Surface Lineup desperately needs a refresh with more competitive hardware inside, they are still the best built Windows laptops to date. We have given out hundreds if not more at our company. You'll hear horror stores of any brand, but we have been quite happy with ours, especially our IT people. That being said, I REALLY want MS to come out with a Book 4 or Laptop Studio 2 ASAP with 13th gen Intel, dedicated gpu, or even AMD. Sadly the top end ones are not cheap..but nothing is in that range anymore. Everything else has cheap materials, flex's, bad keyboards, bat battery life, plastic everywhere, fans on the bottom that drive me nuts and so on.
Ah. Firstly Steve Welcome. If you watch some of my oldest videos I owned and loved the Surface Book 2. Fantastic device for its day. I also did review an earlier Surface laptop. I have checked out some of the newer range, in fact one was in my 2022 Black Friday coverage.... but I feel they lack performance for this use case. This video is about the Best Laptops for Programmers in 2023. That being said, this year, I will get in a Surface device or two in for review!
The used market for ThinkPads is also a good place to look depending on how tight your budget is. I just got a T480 with an 8th Gen i5, 16GB of RAM , a 1080p screen and a 512GB SSD for $140. It didn’t come with a charger but that’s okay because it charges via USB C.
Thanks for another amazing video, Josh! Since you explicitly asked about it: I watch your videos at 1.6x speed, or else I find them really hard to follow.
After coding for some time on a 14" screen I decided that I need a 17" laptop at minimum... and an external monitor :) This is my setup right now and it works perfectly for my needs. Luckily I don't have to travel with this thing often :)
I really like how you simplify so many complex things, truly a hallmark of someone experienced. For example, the amount of code on screen being directly proportional to how much stuff you fit in your head is something I wish I had learned 10 years ago, in uni, instead of only some years ago.
I usually watch videos at 1.5x speed anyway, so you can talk slower if you want to, that only means that when someone wants a faster approach they will speed it up more
I can vouch for the 14" M1 over the Air. I have both and the 14 wins on screen size, resolution and quality, including ports and performance, can pick the M1s up for a decent price now too! Must stress just how nice the high resolution displays are!
@@tarkgundogdu8940 Hey! Thanks for recommendation. May I ask if you have programming in your daily use case? I am not able to convince myself that 14in will be good enough for vscode, but I have never tried anything below 15.6in. A monitor is not always on option since I am away from my setup for 1-2 weeks in a month.
16inch laptop FTW! I prefer large format devices because for me the tradeoff between lugging it around and the performance gains is well worth it. Waiting for your recommendation video on 15inch or larger programming laptops!
My big thing is it having a centered trackpad. If it's shifted to the left you can't use it on your lap. The reason I buy laptops is to carry them around and not have to sit at a desk, and a centered keyboard is essential for that.
I thought AI apologists said that coding is dead and ChatGPT will do everything for them? Companies will no longer have employees because the CEO can do everything because of ChatGPT 🤣
The macbook air m1 regularly goes for 800 bucks, such a great deal with still amazing battery life and the only flaw is the 256gb storage, 8gb ram is fine and doable but had it been 512gb internal storage and students and beginners would be golden. Now you need to have an external ssd for them "junk" files which you can do without on a regular basis and plug in when needed. Still a great laptop for what it offers! 😊
@@akin242002 with respect to other laptops.. sure. But an additional 8 gigs of ram shouldn't cost 200 bucks same with an additional 256 gigs of storage.. otherwise a pretty amazing laptop
I arrived 7 months late to this video (I know it's two months old), I'm currently studying a Software engineering at university and I bought in January a second hand laptop based only in processor, ram and storage, it ended up being a Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga X1 Gen 6 with 16/512 and an Intel EVO certification (I used that as a premium reference), and now, seeing it listed in this video (Even being two generations below the recommended) makes me reaffirm that I made a good purchase, thanks for the guide and video
I use an M2 Air (upgraded naturally) as a Java developer myself. I agree with you that the 14" M2 Pro is just better, but the Air gets the job done as well. I'm quite happy with the Air as a work machine. I'm curious if there is a particular factor or factors that cause you to not recommend it at all?
I was really looking forward to buying a Dell XPS 17. I would really like to know which criteria it did not meet to make it to your list. It has a 17inch 16:10 4K display, upgradable, vapor chamber cooling, great keyboard and trackpad and a decent battery.
Hey Josh, great video! By the way, while I think battery capacity is a good spec to list, another thing to point out is the efficiency and how long it would roughly last during certain tasks. Since Apple's silicons run laps around anything else. But since you mentioned you will test all the laptops, this would be a great stat for viewers to know about :)
Tysm for this!!! The first video I saw on this topic was for students and it wasn’t good. When a commenter pointed out that the recommendations weren’t budget friendly the youtuber just said that not all students are broke… which is pretty insensitive and ignorant. So it was nice to see this next and especially to hear you say that people can make a start with whatever they have! Thank you for taking the time to list what features are important and why as well as providing a list. That’s super helpful. Also it’s sweet that your mum watches your videos and I appreciate you trying to improve accessibility 💕
I think you must take 15" laptops into account if you want to be fair and avoid missing some top options. Just because apple denies to deliver 15" is not a valid reason for self-imposed restrictions. Many people recommend the Dell XPS 15.
I think your speech is at a perfect speed!!! In fact I think many others on UA-cam speak too slowly or digress too much and this is something that sets you apart!
This guy is saying everything as it is and it is true, most youtubest just praise MAcboks but me having used both Macbook M1 and Windows Acer, Asus, Hp, Everything even Gigabyte Aero, still windows is much more convenient to Learn Coding. But for Working Macbook is better. So while you are a student get yourself Hp Probook they have great keyboard or Acer Aspire, Acer Swift, Amd is preferable as less heat less fan noise, generally AMD always has more Ram More SSD and more battery life so go for AMD folks
Hi, i’m a pharmacist student (3rd year), and shift to CS because i want to follow my passion. Your comment is very helpful, since i have no clue more about computer or what should i target. Right now i’m clueless but i’m passionate about learning CS.
I drive a ThinkPad z13 as a linux c++ developer. Linux support is really important to me and the z13 delivers on that front. The only thing that bothers me is the size. I really wish that Lenovo had made a 14inch version and added PgUp, PgDn, Home, End keys to the side for the extra space
I agree, although I could understand you perfectly, a middle ground between a our main body and outro would be ideal in terms of speaking speed. It doesn’t need to pro-long the videos if you go a more concise route. Having said that if you hadn’t of mentioned it, I wouldn’t have cared 🤷♀️ You do you!
I leave you my setup in case it can serve as a reference. I am a software engineer and I currently work as a cybersecurity consultant, in my free time a game programmer in Unity. Surface laptop 4 (AMD Ryzen, 16 GB RAM), second screen: Samsung (LS27A), Logitech G903 mouse and the MX Keys keyboard
Thanks for the list. I had been looking at upgrading to something like a new HP Elitebook, but the new ones at the time did not have an “Insert” key, and the RAM was was soldered to the main board, so not upgradable. Instead of buying one, I upgraded the RAM and HD. Now it looks like they finally added the “Ins” key at least on some models, so time to take another look. You mentioned noise and heat can be uncomfortable, but also note that sharp edges can dig into the wrists. Dell and Lenovo can have that sharp front edge which you may not notice at first, until you get sore wrists after sitting in certain positions.
The number of companies programmers end working for over their careers is incredible. I hate changing jobs, but I’m also a teacher. We tend to stick around one place forever. Lol
Not an actual coder here, but a Data Scientist and I would prefer the 16inch laptop anytime since I keep it on a stand with an external monitor and it serves the purpose of a secondary monitor better. I would strongly advice for either 16:10/3:2 ratio of the screen. When I travel or use just as a laptop, still the 16inch is the sweet spot.
As a developer and a laptop owner I think you’re missing the ideal setup, which is that we all use external monitors, keyboards and ice. I also use an external webcam and speaker phone.
Before i start coding i had legion y540. It was a good laptop but i sold it and switch to thinkpad e14 gen3. It's a great laptop, decent amd processor, 16gb ram, 1.25tb storage. Physical switch for camera and track point (love this one). I recommend everyone to search for a used thinkpad e series.
Thanks brother I am soon joining a engineering collage and wanted to buy a laptop for cs degree but don't know which one and this is gonna be my first laptop so I want best one thanks and new subscriber also love to you and your mom from India ❤
Small typo in title: ULTIMATE* Nice video! Bought the Thinkpad z16 with Ryzen 7 pro and 32g ram. Works perfectly with Linux. Could not be more pleased with it!
@@cameronbosch1213 I hear you. I have been using Thinkpads for the last 15 years and I was initially skeptical about this model. However, the trackpad is great, and the trackpoint buttons work fine. As a software developer, I find that I rarely have to use any ports other than USB-C or USB4. Furthermore, the performance is impressive, and it runs cool with the fans rarely kicking in during work. And if they are, I can not hear them. It has served me greatly the last 8 months.
Interested to see your reviews. Don't slow down. I always watch UA-cam videos faster than normal. You seem only slightly quicker than average. I liked the energy of this video.
Thanks so much for this detailed review! I was really stuck on which laptop to buy, but your video cleared up all my doubts. Your insights made it easy for me to make the right choice. Keep up the awesome work!
Thanks for the list! Your videos are always insightful; your mother should be prouder. As a non-native English Speaker, I have no problem following you; maybe she wants you to appeal to a wider audience.
I'm a student going to college for software development, so this video came out at a perfect time! Now i just need to decide between a Mac and a Thinkpad.....
Thanks Josh great video! I have been coding for years and unfortunately farsighted so things can be blurry. 16” is what I will be buying nexts to make it easier to see.
I was looking for a 6800U laptop last year but local stores were slow to stock so I ended up getting a ROG Flow X13 (6800HS) without discrete graphics. Very overlooked productivity laptop from a gaming brand. The screen is a bit small, but it's very crisp (thanks for no matte!) and it's 120Hz so it will make scrolling feel better. The keyboard is no Thinkpad but does the job well. You get touchscreen, a pen, and you can fold the device to tablet mode. You can even run most games reasonably well with just onboard graphics. Also no aggressive gamer aesthetics that usually comes with ASUS ROG. Overall a very versatile device with a very capable processor. Hopefully they keep on with the quality with future refreshes.
Josh, you're videos are superb and I look forward to them. You asked for our reactions as to whether your pacing is too fast. With all due respect, I find that you speak about as fast as possible without sacrificing quality. If you went any faster, it would be too fast. When you show graphics during your presentations, I sometimes find that you don't leave them up for quite long enough and I have been unable to really digest the info in the graphic. Please accept these comments in the spirit with which they were intended: you really do a very fine job.
Hi Josh, I would be very interested in a 16" programming laptop review. These days with the thin bezels, they are smaller than the 15.6" laptops of a few years ago. About the speed of your speech, it's one of the reasons I subscribed to your channel because you convey your excellent information efficiently. Keep up the great work!
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I am a non native English speaker and must say I can understand you perfectly 👍 no need to slowdown
Very helpful to get your perspective. Thank you!
I agree
+1
There is no such thing as great laptop for coding.
The key to learning a language is input. The more you listen and the harder the material, the better. Keep at it dude.
Not a coder but Josh's reviews are the most practical and his criteria are the best ones for every day use for 100%!
Thanks Keene
@@JustJoshTech when will you speak on the benefits of the dedicated navigation keys:- Home, End, PgUp, PgDn , for students and programmers. These keys makes the laptop more productive. I have to buy the 16" inch version of the Yoga Pro 9i only because the 14inch does not have the Column of the navigation keys(Home, End, PgUp, PgDn). You can use those keys navigation keys as dedicated on the 16inch variant when the numpad is off.
Please do a video on larger laptops (16 inch), I've been in the market for a laptop for strictly programming for school/work. Also I like the speed that you talk at. It's not too fast and you are clear and concise--something a lot of other tech reviewers could learn from, lol.
I think i will. There is tones of interest!
I would personally wait until the Framework Laptop 16 is out. The screen specs were just revealed and they look EPIC!
(Unfortunately, it has been delayed to summer 2023, meaning I'll have to limp along without Nvidia, which is a problem, but the alternative is wasting more money on an imperfect laptop I'll probably use for less than a year...)
@@JustJoshTech Yeah, I think most coders have pretty set up home or office spaces they do the majority of their work in and having the main screen be large enough to be useful along side larger monitors is a huge QOL improvement. And it's still pretty portable when you are on the go.
And if you're a gamer too or need a GPU, then going bigger is even more of a no brainer
@@adamrawji Probably when the Framework 16 releases👀
Great video as always Josh. As a developer who is spending more time on a laptop, I would love for you to do a video on larger screen laptops as often, I struggle with insufficient screen space even on a 15 inch laptop but don't always want to connect to an external monitor.
Future data analyst here, same thing here! I've even made my windows and font sizes smaller due to lack of screen space, so my next laptop will definitely be 16+
Im coding only on my laptop and using 14.2 inch M2 Pro, don't have any issues to be honest.
Maybe not a solution to your problem depending on what you are specifically referring too, but having a Mac with an iPad is absolutely amazing. The way these connect is a breeze and acts like device you can bring around anywhere to digest content and such, as well as being a perfect secondary screen. I typically put my laptop on a stand and then put my iPad on the keyboard of my laptop. With this, I use an external keyboard and mouse. 100% recommended.
Just to clarify, I use a 15 inch Dell Precision and tend to have many windows open for Visual Studio, SSMS, browser, etc. During the day, I'm either connected to a 49" widescreen or a pair of 24" monitors so I have no issue with screen space.
However, I often want to do additional work on an evening or even just play with new tech whilst relaxing on the sofa and this is when I just find a 15" screen means I'm swapping windows too often, so a 17" would offer some more space. I have tried a wireless connection to a 14" Galaxy tab and while this works well to extend the display, it just isn't practical on the sofa.
Whilst I love the performance and overall quality of the MacBook 16, I'm a Windows guy at heart and find myself gravitating to the Dell XPS 17. Unfortunately, even the lazy 2023 refresh still causes disappointment with only a 720p webcam so I would like to know about other 17" laptops or workstations. Manufacturers like Lenovo and HP may have been an option in the past but they both seem to have dropped 17" screens and limit customers to 16" (which doesn't offer much more screen space than than my work 15"). I do like the thought of the Razer 18" but price and bad support reputation put me off. The Alienware m18 also gets some good reviews but its bulk and weight would likely crush my lap ;-)
@@soulfabuk have you tried to increase the resolution? I do this on my mac and then increase font size a tad, and this gives me more space to work with (i also do this on my tablet). This allows me to have a smaller more portable device with more space to work with.
As a ML engineer and a student I would like to add that, with current developments in AI and ML related fields, your laptop GPU won't usually suffice. So if you do not game, don't buy laptop with dedicated GPU and save money. Your office and your university usually will provide you with GPU cluster or powerful CPU servers for your work / study projects. And always focus on the possibility of having as much RAM as possible just like Josh mentioned.
Good comment. Thank you
still not going to buy apple product because I care about raw power not battery 😄😄😁😁
So what laptops are preferred for AI and ML related field.... Will Mac be fine?
@@srinidhibs5460 any laptop is fine if you don't want dGPU in your laptop. You can use colab or kaggle if your University for any reason does not provide you with GPU cluster access.
Try to get one which is portable, has a good screen (and bigger screen) and a good keyboard. Try to find something cheap (probably look into used laptops) if you are a student and save money.
You don't need a Mac unless you really want to have one.
@@srinidhibs5460 no for ML windows laptops are good ther are very powerful compare to MacBook and also you can install Linux on it only drawback is battery but you are getting raw power and ML need high end CPU and GPU mainly GPU for ML, buy a dedicated GPU laptop with 16 to 32 gig of Ram also also the the pro features of microsoft office is only for windows not macOS for good keyboard go for ThinkPad series
Heat through the keyboard and fan noise are indeed ignored by many other "reviewers" who just read the product description on the product page. This is absolutely why I like your reviews. And your speech isn't fast, the cadence is ideal and great, because I don't want to deal with double the time to convey the right amount of information. She might be used to older gen content.
I’d love to see a 16 inch version as well, just because those tend to strike a better balance between performance and portability in my opinion. Also many amazing laptops are only available in one size
But thank you for the video! And I applaud your dedication to trying out every laptop before you fully recommend it
Yup came here to say this too.
The weight of 16 inch and 14 inch laptops are night and day....
@@daghetto101 I never claimed otherwise, but I personally prefer a 16 inch laptop even if it’s less portable
@@daghetto101not really
I would say the most important factors for a programming laptop are the screen, the battery life, and the keyboard. A dGPU is also good if you do game programming.
Avoid 16 : 9 screens (go for 16 : 10 or 3 : 2 preferably), and put a high amount of focus in the keyboard. The last thing you want is hating to type on your own laptop you just paid your hard earned money. The touchpad is honestly not a big deal comparably as good mice are much better than any touchpad and aren't too expensive.
And don't get a laptop that can't do light tasks for less than 5 hours of battery life!
Finally, while Linux _can_ be run on Apple Silicon Macs, Asahi Linux just isn't ready yet for most users. If you even think you'll hate macOS or even need Linux, then don't even think about a Mac for the moment.
If you prefer Linux, try waiting for the Framework Laptop 13 or 16, or wait for a System76 laptop to come with a 16 : 10 screen (that will happen in a few months, I'm sure of it) unless you need something immediately, then you may bs SOOL unless you can either wait or buy a Windows laptop and put Linux on it.
For me, the Framework Laptop 16 (with its seemingly amazing 16 : 10 screen revealed yesterday) is perfect. In the meantime, I'm going to limp along without Nvidia...
I had gotten a Lenovo Legion Y530 when I went to college for computer science, and it worked well for all my four years. Albeit, one year was at home on my desktop due to Covid.
Depending on what you're doing, I highly recommend getting 32 GB of RAM. If you're doing any Android development using an emulator or have WSL running, or both at the same time 16 GB would not be enough.
Having dedicated arrow keys, Delete, Page Up/Down, Home and End keys are also really nice to have to jump around your code easily.
The biggest gripe I had with my Legion gaming laptop was the weight and battery life. Having to lug that across campus and always looking for an outlet was really annoying. I chose it, because I thought I was going to be gaming quite a bit in the evening or on weekends, but I ended up just working on assignments, studying, or hanging out with friends so getting a gaming laptop was probably unnecessary
Did you get a new one if so which one? Or which one would you recommend?
@@lobotomizedjesse After graduating, I bought a 14" MacBook Pro (refurb M2 Pro, 12 core CPU) for work. Its been adequate, but I definitely do feel it struggling a little with the 16GB of memory
@harrydang9 oh thanks for reaching out. I'll gladly add it to my list. I'll try and find one with 32g ram
Why don't use battery saving mode and switch your GPU into IGP to save more power?
I got my degree in CS - graduated top 10% of my class - with an underpowered intel U series dual core 13” Inspiron laptop that had massive bezels, a small crack in the corner of the screen, and a broken touchpad. (It might have been someone else’s return, but it also might have just been Dell’s terrible QC ). 8GB of RAM and a 64GB partition for Ubuntu was extremely limiting and very frustrating at times, but i didn’t have money, so I made it work.
Nowadays, plenty of laptops under $1000 have 6 or more cores, 16GB of RAM, and 512GB of SSD storage. Hello World is not any harder to run now than 5 or 10 years ago. The point is - when there’s a will, there’s a way. The barriers to learning are so incredibly low now, even cheap computers today are 10-20x faster in overall performance than the ones 5-10 years ago.
That said.. as soon as I started making my own money, I retired my old laptop immediately and bought a 15” MacBook Pro. The difference is night and day. Every last penny I spent on that MacBook was worth it. Software development on a Mac is an absolute dream. Having a big, bright, high resolution screen to look at code and multitask between emails, messaging classmates / coworkers, stack overflow, IDE, terminal sessions, etc.. is so nice, and the trackpad gestures let me fly through it. Having a comfortable keyboard and palm rest that I can use for hours at a time, is nice. Having a giant, pin accurate trackpad is nice. Having great mic/speakers for online meetings, or even just listening to music in the background, is nice.
Cheap windows laptops have more than enough performance for coding, but I wouldn’t want to go back to one.
Also - used/refurbished premium laptops are an excellent value proposition. You can get a used 15” or 16” MacBook Pro or Dell XPS 15 or 17 for right around $1000 - $1500 with 32GB RAM, 1TB storage, and all the other niceties like big bright screen, etc. in fact, I’m thinking about getting a refurbished XPS 17 myself to replace my desktop PC, but waiting for a sale to see if the price drops more
Well done video. I appreciate that as a professional tool you don't try to recommend one model for everyone. Since text clarity is so important I think it's worth talking about screen resolution, DPI, and how macOS and Windows scale differently.
I'll also take the larger screen if the tradeoff is only +1 pound and needing a bigger bag.
With the price of RAM and SSD storage being near "rock bottom"; Apple is hard to sell to me, they charge a kidney for upgrades and not really serviceable. I stick with HP, Lenovo and Dell as they usually have a hardware maintenance and service manual. Josh, great video and insightful as always.
Lenovo and Dell laptops are nice. The battery life isn't as good as Macbooks, but modern ones are still good enough to get 4 hours of intense work and video before needing to be charged. 8-12 hours of light work without videos watched.
Problem is if you want to use xCode, Apple have got you by the gonads.
@@akin242002what about hp battery life?
I have used hp laptop recently and I was satisfied with its battery life.. but now I am thinking to switch to Dell, is it good to go with Dell or i stick to hp💀
@@romesh1832 It depends more on the CPU. Intel or Ryzen "U" series CPUs get good battery life beyond 4 hours. Battery life decreases once you start using more performance focused P/H/K series CPUs.
My windows laptop got bricked by an update. I agree with you as a pc only person I love the options and deals on those but I just despise Microsoft so much at this point that I'd rather bite the bullet on the mac
Can you believe that in all of youtube there is nothing about this topic in such high quality and thoughtful content. Thank you.
Thank you! Please share with friends and co-workers!
With my current experience as a CS student, I’d completely avoid the M series MacBook. Many courses make use of virtual machines that are only made for X86-64 architectures. Sure, professors may eventually commission people to make new VM configs for the new MacBooks, but some are just completely against that.
What you think about m2 air 16? Is that good for software
@@mucahitkral8951since m2 air 16 doesnt exist it isnt goos foe software.
Which one to go for then? Please help
@@Elle-nv8gg I’m not completely up to date with the laptop market, but I’ll tell you my criteria.
Other than what Josh mentioned in the video, I’d consider a machine that has great compatibility with Linux and uses an Intel or AMD CPU. I don’t know if you’ll jump straight into Linux, but if you do, I’d look at a laptop from brands like Tuxedo, System76 or Slimbook.
For the big OEMs, I’d look at Lenovo or ASUS’ latest models. The brands that offer the best compatibility on all models are Lenovo and Dell, but Dell’s latest models are a real shame.
For more details on compatibility of individual laptops, you can go on the Arch Wiki and look at the articles for each laptop brand.
For a specific model to look for, I’d say Lenovo Thinkpad T14.
I code on a few thinkpad X1 Carbons. Solid battery life, display and powerful enough for what i'm doing. It has support for Debian Linux. I would highly recommend a new programmer to pick up a refurbished model if they are on a budget. Intel 8th to 10th CPUs doesn't make much of a difference. But if some level of graphics is required, intel 11th and 12th gen would be more than enough with the Xe IGP.
Except for the new x1c, with OLED.... awful touchpad support, no webcam support... x13 on the other hand, great
@@neilduffy334 The touchpad was bad for the X1C 9, and the webcam was sub par at 720p and 60hz refresh rate. However, that has changed for the X1C 10. Better touchpad, and 1080p webcam. Add on Intel's12th gen P series CPU.
Only remaining issue is heat when the workload gets CPU intense. Still great for scripting languages like Python, R, Ruby, or Lua. I'd recommend the ThinkPad T series for intense programming work. C, C++, Rust, Java, C# or Go.
@@akin242002 I recently had the x13 gen 3 & the x1 carbon gen 10 oled. The screen on the x1c was great, but everything else was poor. The glass touchpad gained an oil stain / fingerprint mark I could not remove (x13 mylar was no issue), and the sensitivity was poor compared to x13.
@@neilduffy334 I was issued the x1c10 without OLED. No issues from me.
As a person working with a Laptop on construction sites:
2 mirrored SSDs, incase the device gets damaged and there is no backup with the newest data.
Atleast 4 USB ports, half half type C and A is fine.
Ethernet port is a must have.
Full size keyboard, the more keys the better.
no high end top of the line CPU, think about runtime.
Onboard grafics is enough.
Debloat windows if you use it for better battery livetime.
Use a tool to contol the CPU, disable turbo when battery time is needed or environment is really dirty, dont want to clean the fan every week.
Good points!
Developer for 13 years here:
I've been forced to use 14 inch or smaller laptops my entire career. How many professional programmers even get a choice? Usually there's a standard issue corporate model and that's it - I've had to put extra effort at multiple orgs just to get them to give me more than 8GB of RAM!
Yeah thay sucks when it happens. Especially if it's a bad screen
I agree with the 14inch. But every company I've worked with gave me 64GB RAM, more RAM than my personal device lol.. From embedded programming field to backend development. Personally, I like 14inch. It's small and light. Companies have thunderbolt docks and monitor at the office, I have my own.
I like 3 monitors. The laptop and two full sized displays. One for documentation (left), one to code on (center), and one to display results (right). The laptop alone doesn't cut it.
For the past 6 months, I've been looking into buying a laptop and figuring a lot of stuff out. Josh is easily one of the better reviewers I've come across since he actually explains how things are going to affect you instead of just listing the specs or something which I could've literally found out by reading it on any website myself. I really appreciate the spreadsheet too btw. Like A LOT. And thank you sooooooo much for including the warning part, those make life a lot easier. And also, macbooks seem to have pretty decent pricing these days but they make you pay a lot more if you want higher ram and storage and they don't let you upgrade those later on, so that's something to consider as well.
Which one did you buy ?
@@Baka100 always apple because of logo 🤣🤣😂😂
just joking
Which one did you buy please help I need one for Python and sql
Loved the video review but please also do a 16 inch review too! Some of us are willing to pay extra for the screen size while on the go too. A comparison battle between the 14 inch vs 16 inch would be a bonus!
I just went on your channel to search for laptop and you uploaded at that very moment 🤣 what a coincidence. Thanks for your videos man
Funny thing is I'm also a student of Data science and Ai so this video is basicly made for me 🫡
I think most of your crowd tends to go for a minimum of x1.25 speed by default. I do appreciate the amount of detail.
Btw, you had a very high reverb/echo in the Framework laptop overview. It feels a bit better now, but I think if you could make changes to the setup or add a bit more filtering a crisper sound will make sound nicer and easier to understand.
Thanks for posting :)
As software developer for 10 plus years. I decided last year to go with the the 16gb i7, Surface Pro 9.. It has enough power for what I need to get done. Also for me, it fits the sweet spot when it comes to portability for when I am on the go. Also when I am at home, I plug it into my wide screen monitor. The audio quality is pretty great as well, so its good for watching videos..
In which language you are coding if I am allowed to ask because 16 GB might be very Limited
@@msx94 Yeah no worries. Currently I am using both Java and Flutter. Also I would never tell you not to get more memory. You get what fits your needs. For me, 16gb fits my needs.
Hey sir i just started programming journey i wish if you could help me with that ?🤟@@sjdlove
14 inch displays are horrible for programming but portability is also important when having a laptop which isn't used as a space saving replacement for a stationary PC.
I would really avoid apple's M1 and M2 for coding. There are so many issues when coding, especially with multithreading. A lot of my fellow students have been unable to get some of their to work on a M1/M2 done. One course in particular, assigned us (for the exam) to make a matrix library for C, and importantly benchmark and evaluate multithreaded vs singlethreaded code. Unfortunately for the Macbook users, no one was able to parallelize their code. This obviously affected their grade.
I think it’s also a correction method issue. For these kinds of things, all my professors told their students to do the benchmarks on their own, but also that results are validated at correction in a controlled environment (a Linux virtual machine). That would be very easy to get a grade revision for this.
Any explanation on why they couldn't parallelize their code? I haven't used an M1/M2 Macbook, but I don't see any reasons why you'd have any issues writing multithreaded software on them. I've written multithreaded programs for university using C and OpenMP and was able to build and run them with no issues on a desktop, ARM phone and RPI
Work gave us Macbooks, first time I've ever used a Mac, and I've been using it for multithreading and have not encountered any issues whatsoever with coding. In fact, this little machine has pretty much blown my mind as far as filling all the boxes for me. I'm a newer mac user but pleasantly been a fan of these new silicon chips.
Which Apple MacBook would you recommend then?
Any of the MacBook Pro would be a great development machine with 32 GB RAM and 512 SSD minimum
Holy cow the follow up video is gonna go crazy though. If I was your mother, I would be very proud.
As a programmer I'd recommend at least 32 GB RAM for memory hungry Docker containers and all your software. And at least 1-2 TB of Storage. I personally work with VERY large databases, anywhere between 1 GB to 200+ GB and it's gonna fill your drive really fast.
what laptop would u recommend
Is it good to use business-oriented laptops like Dell Latitude 5000 series?
Excellent video. I've been using a ThinkPad X1 Yoga for the past 3 years and can echo the sentiments that it's an excellent choice. Perfect on Linux too; currently rocking Fedora KDE. I'd also like to warn about Dell XPS laptops in general. A number of colleagues have used them over the years and run into lots of trouble: physical breakage, not enough ports, poor performance, and weird hardware options that make no sense you have to know to avoid. I'd stay away.
Hi What about , HP SPECTRE x360? does it handle all the load ?
@@santoshpatelpilli1190 I don't know much about newer Spectres, but I had one before the X1 Yoga. It was nice, but over the course of 3 years, its screen backlight and trackpad both broke. I think the Spectre machines focus so much on looks that they aren't physically built tough enough. Meanwhile my X1 is still going strong, nothing broken.
Best from Macbooks:
- M2 Macbook Pro 14/16
- M1 Macbook Pro 14/16
- M2 Macbook Air with 16GB of RAM & 512GB of SSD.
- M1 Macbook Air with 16GB of RAM.
Best from PCs:
- Dell XPS 17
- Lenovo ThinkPad T14 G3 or T16
- LG Gram 16 (2023 version).
Yes josh, I would love to see your recommendations for larger sized laptops aswell!
Speech speed is fine. I like It!
But you’re crazy! The good kind of crazy. Making the list must’ve been an insanely time consuming task, and ordering every laptop is bananas.
Can’t wait to see those videos!
Yep. I currently have a stack of laptop boxes taller than me. Thanks for the comment
I prefer 15+ inches for programming. I just got a M2 16" for personal use, and work just gave me a M2 16" too. Love the machine for development. I think it is important to be able to dock it, also. Using it on the go is great, but when I get home or to the office, I need it to plug into bigger screens, decent keyboards, and a good mouse. M2 + 2 displays + mechanical keyboard + mx master mouse is a must for me when I need to really do some serious work.
BS. You can do serious work on almost any laptop. Even 12.5 inches 10 y.o Thinkpads.
You are not speaking to fast. It’s just perfect like this. The videos are very specific, the info ia to the point, that is exactly what I am looking for in this segment :)
Thank you
Thanks Josh! All your videos are very informative! Currently, I'm loving my Dell XPS 15 (9530), which didn't receive a rave review from you. In fact, I have the model that you'd rate an unfortunate mistake (i9 with FHD!). In any case, I was quite surprised by the device since I own a 16" M1 Pro, which I of course love! I've been gaming and doing some content creation on it. I'm not sure what it is but, being an unhappy XPS owner in the past, this particular model and configuration is blowing me away. It works flawlessly (for now), which is saying a lot. I know Dell isn't hugely popular with the tech community right now, but, as a tech-savvy individual, I'm not experiencing any buyer's remorse, which is all one can really ask for these days. Cheers! And keep up the great work! 🙏
What specs did you get?
Similar story here. Dell XPS 13 9310 working perfectly with Ubuntu, while Mac Pro 13 M1 and MacOS was a... misunderstanding.
@@mayureshs80 13th gen i9, RTX 4070, 512SSD, 32G DDR5, FHD.
@@JimKanaris No fan issues when doing normal task web browsing and spreadsheets?
@@mayureshs80 You can hear them when underload but nothing crazy. It's a pretty quiet machine. So far I'm really impressed. I used to own a 7590 (OLED) and 9500 (UHD). I had serious issues with those.
For programming, all you really need is a machine that could install and run the IDE that you use. Gaming machine just doesn't come well with coding, as you'd run out battery too soon while you coding. So it is best to avoid dedicated GPU, or use laptops that has both integrated and dedicated GPU build in. There are times dedicated GPU is useful such as when you need 3D acceleration in a virtual machine, using 3D rendering OR other game engine (e.g. Unity & Unreal), AI processing lastly. For student who currently studying computing in college, depends on your specific degree and major, you may never need to do any of those. For professionals, it may be a better idea to build a desktop running those heavy task, and use remote desktop if you need control on your laptop.
All of the options listed in the video are great options if you have money. However is there any significant difference compare to lower-end devices. Not necessarily, unless you running programs that take hours to compile (which is more of a workload for desktop/servers). Getting a better laptop doesn't boost you to become a better coder, it also doesn't make you code fast.
I have been in college for many years and using my 6 years old intel mac (low end specs at today's standards) with no problem programming for android(android studio), iOS, windows(.NET with visual studio), Linux(Ubuntu). Although I did run out of storage because of the OSes and application installed. I resolve this by install Linux and windows separately into external hard drives. If you buy a windows laptop, you might want to keep a note on the storage size and upgradability. Otherwise you might running out of storage（512gb) in a few years (Personally I don't play games, so you'd need much more storage space if you want gaming. Considering today's games are so large in size compare few years ago).
thanks for the comments brother it was usefull and i'm a 1st year student of btech cse.. software like android studio , vscode , java go etc i would like to explore more software and learn moreover aftereffect,photoshop grapic etc are my area of interest...i was about buy a mac m1 air 2020 but pirated software like adobe premier , illustrator etc some software cant be installed..so only way would be windows laptops....in my mind i have a asus zephrus 14 whats your thoughts on this ?????
Congratulations for coming to college. I generally do not suggest macbook air, as it throttles if do some heavy work load like in aftereffects and adobe premier. I know many people are using the asus zephrus g14, and it is indeed a great option, balanced between performance, battery life and mobility, and the design is slick too. Other options listed in this video also works fine, however just remember for windows laptop you loss a lots of performance if you not plugged in.
If you have the experience in building a PC or you’ve watched videos of how to build a PC. I actually think it’s a better ideas to build a PC you self, this way you have the potential to upgrade in case later you need more performance for tasks I talked above.
However only build a PC if you have any old/current laptop that you could use to remotely connect to & work on the PC. If this is not possible, then go with the g14, I do think it’s a great deal/laptop.
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One thing to think about as well is there are plenty of good options for ex-lease machines, Elitebook 840 G5,6,7 and Thinkpad L14, T14 and P14 machines of different generations can be found on a budget and have great build quality and still have life in them due to being upgradable.
Thank you! People are sleeping on ThinkPad T14 laptops. The ease of compatibility with Linux and upgradable RAM & SSD makes it a must for programmers. At my job, most programmers are using these as their laptops. They are encouraged to use WSL and VS if they work in the office. My favorite is Lenovo ThinkPad T14 G3. Great build quality, great keyboards, and runs WSL flawlessly. Only issue is battery life is...meh.
Only front-end developers are using MacBooks.
I doubt whether the T14 will manage to run a 30GB LLM like Mixtral
No need to slow down, your pace is perfectly fine.
Thanks
The ideal laptop for me as a computer engineering student would usually be a Thinkpad as I am rocking a Thinkpad right now, but if I were to buy a new one the ideal one for me would be the unreleased Framework 16. It is fully upgradeable and repairable and has chance for an external battery on the expansion bay. I am searching for a laptop that can outclass the macbook pro 16 and I think the Framework 16 with ryzen 7 and extended battery can go toe to toe with it.
Is asus zenbook 14 with ryzen 7 a good choice for computer engineering?
oh yeah more than enough. make sure have 16gb or more of ram and an ipad air or just a wacom tablet to write all the math equations and ure set.@@qs_ma8017
Hey bud, what are the specs on your ThinkPad? I want to get one too.
You explain all in a very easy way and the most important thing, is that you are saying facts about every laptop and not recommending only the most expensive. Like and suscribe, greetings from Spain 😉
Josh, something that would be helpful with this specific topic: linux compatibility. The program I am studying requires Unix, so that that’s either Macos or linux. Given the high prices for macbooks, it would be nice to know how well these pcs you recommend function under a linux. 😊
Yea very important! Try to avoid dual gpus like Intel gpu + Nvidia. Avoid that, just buy a amd processor with integrated gpu (ryzen). Without a dedicated gpu. Linux will thank you!
@@MelroyvandenBerg you can disable nvidia gpu and use the integrated one
been using linux mint for 2 or 3 years now and love it. It's a shame it doesn't even get mentioned in a lot of videos like this
Late comment, but wsl exists
28 yrs in field here. Your points are valid, but the omission of the Surface lineup is staggering. Over the years The Surface Book1/2/3, studio laptop, even the cheaper Laptop 5 have been excellent performers and quite frankly are the ONLY laptops that can compete with Apple on build quality and materials. As I type this on a Surface Book myself from 2015, it has been a beast for me, and I do have a Macbook Pro as well, but the surface has the best 3:2 screen I've used at 3000x2000, battery still lasts all day and this is my main daily, and simply the best keyboard and trackpad on the Windows side of laptops. Not one laptop I've picked up since this thing has impressed me, and in fact it's only replacement is a Studio Laptop which isn't as good imho but does have a 14.5" screen which is perfect. While the Surface Lineup desperately needs a refresh with more competitive hardware inside, they are still the best built Windows laptops to date. We have given out hundreds if not more at our company. You'll hear horror stores of any brand, but we have been quite happy with ours, especially our IT people. That being said, I REALLY want MS to come out with a Book 4 or Laptop Studio 2 ASAP with 13th gen Intel, dedicated gpu, or even AMD. Sadly the top end ones are not cheap..but nothing is in that range anymore. Everything else has cheap materials, flex's, bad keyboards, bat battery life, plastic everywhere, fans on the bottom that drive me nuts and so on.
Ah. Firstly Steve Welcome. If you watch some of my oldest videos I owned and loved the Surface Book 2. Fantastic device for its day. I also did review an earlier Surface laptop. I have checked out some of the newer range, in fact one was in my 2022 Black Friday coverage.... but I feel they lack performance for this use case. This video is about the Best Laptops for Programmers in 2023. That being said, this year, I will get in a Surface device or two in for review!
The used market for ThinkPads is also a good place to look depending on how tight your budget is. I just got a T480 with an 8th Gen i5, 16GB of RAM , a 1080p screen and a 512GB SSD for $140. It didn’t come with a charger but that’s okay because it charges via USB C.
The screen quality on that laptop is horrible tho. Had one and sold it.
@@mohammadelnayef You actually can upgrade them
Thanks for another amazing video, Josh!
Since you explicitly asked about it: I watch your videos at 1.6x speed, or else I find them really hard to follow.
Wow. And thanks
After coding for some time on a 14" screen I decided that I need a 17" laptop at minimum... and an external monitor :) This is my setup right now and it works perfectly for my needs. Luckily I don't have to travel with this thing often :)
I user 14 inch laptop with 27 inch external monitor it seems to me good combination.
Thanks Josh. You are the only one who understands and addresses the needs of professional programmers.
I really like how you simplify so many complex things, truly a hallmark of someone experienced. For example, the amount of code on screen being directly proportional to how much stuff you fit in your head is something I wish I had learned 10 years ago, in uni, instead of only some years ago.
I usually watch videos at 1.5x speed anyway, so you can talk slower if you want to, that only means that when someone wants a faster approach they will speed it up more
I can vouch for the 14" M1 over the Air. I have both and the 14 wins on screen size, resolution and quality, including ports and performance, can pick the M1s up for a decent price now too! Must stress just how nice the high resolution displays are!
it has glossy screen. I think it is better to have a matte screen.
@@tarkgundogdu8940 Hey! Thanks for recommendation. May I ask if you have programming in your daily use case? I am not able to convince myself that 14in will be good enough for vscode, but I have never tried anything below 15.6in.
A monitor is not always on option since I am away from my setup for 1-2 weeks in a month.
best youtube channel for deciding what laptop you should buy! great videos, enjoy every single one if it.
Thanks Chris!
16inch laptop FTW! I prefer large format devices because for me the tradeoff between lugging it around and the performance gains is well worth it. Waiting for your recommendation video on 15inch or larger programming laptops!
new macbook airs have 15 inch screens.
Great video my man, just got my bachelors in CS and need a laptop as the one that got me through college’s keyboard broke and is NOT repairable 😢😢.
Oh, you got licensed in Counter Strike ? That's AWESOME!
My big thing is it having a centered trackpad. If it's shifted to the left you can't use it on your lap. The reason I buy laptops is to carry them around and not have to sit at a desk, and a centered keyboard is essential for that.
I thought the X1 Carbon would be good for me, I'll take your word for it Josh.
Really enjoyed the video, professional and clear, subscribed
I thought AI apologists said that coding is dead and ChatGPT will do everything for them? Companies will no longer have employees because the CEO can do everything because of ChatGPT 🤣
Lol
Not really
The macbook air m1 regularly goes for 800 bucks, such a great deal with still amazing battery life and the only flaw is the 256gb storage, 8gb ram is fine and doable but had it been 512gb internal storage and students and beginners would be golden. Now you need to have an external ssd for them "junk" files which you can do without on a regular basis and plug in when needed. Still a great laptop for what it offers! 😊
16GB of RAM at $1k for the M1 MacBook Air is still a great deal.
@@akin242002 with respect to other laptops.. sure. But an additional 8 gigs of ram shouldn't cost 200 bucks same with an additional 256 gigs of storage.. otherwise a pretty amazing laptop
I would love to see a list with your reccomendations for laptops with a bigger screen! Keep up the good work.
I arrived 7 months late to this video (I know it's two months old), I'm currently studying a Software engineering at university and I bought in January a second hand laptop based only in processor, ram and storage, it ended up being a Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga X1 Gen 6 with 16/512 and an Intel EVO certification (I used that as a premium reference), and now, seeing it listed in this video (Even being two generations below the recommended) makes me reaffirm that I made a good purchase, thanks for the guide and video
I use an M2 Air (upgraded naturally) as a Java developer myself. I agree with you that the 14" M2 Pro is just better, but the Air gets the job done as well. I'm quite happy with the Air as a work machine.
I'm curious if there is a particular factor or factors that cause you to not recommend it at all?
Hi what do you think about m1 air? I am just starting learning coding I am thinking of buying one Is it cheaper do you suggest m1 air?
@@mustafauludogann Second hand T480 with Linux.
Something that is upgradable is my #1, pay for the best conputer I can now but be able to add a better gpu and ram later really extends the life
I was really looking forward to buying a Dell XPS 17. I would really like to know which criteria it did not meet to make it to your list. It has a 17inch 16:10 4K display, upgradable, vapor chamber cooling, great keyboard and trackpad and a decent battery.
Most Recommended:-
MacBook 14
Pavillion Plus 14
ThinkPad X1 Carbon
ThinkPad X1 Yoga
Asus G14
Hey Josh, great video! By the way, while I think battery capacity is a good spec to list, another thing to point out is the efficiency and how long it would roughly last during certain tasks. Since Apple's silicons run laps around anything else. But since you mentioned you will test all the laptops, this would be a great stat for viewers to know about :)
I agree. This one I need to do in a dedicated video or individual reviews
Tysm for this!!! The first video I saw on this topic was for students and it wasn’t good. When a commenter pointed out that the recommendations weren’t budget friendly the youtuber just said that not all students are broke… which is pretty insensitive and ignorant. So it was nice to see this next and especially to hear you say that people can make a start with whatever they have!
Thank you for taking the time to list what features are important and why as well as providing a list. That’s super helpful. Also it’s sweet that your mum watches your videos and I appreciate you trying to improve accessibility 💕
I think you must take 15" laptops into account if you want to be fair and avoid missing some top options. Just because apple denies to deliver 15" is not a valid reason for self-imposed restrictions. Many people recommend the Dell XPS 15.
I think your speech is at a perfect speed!!! In fact I think many others on UA-cam speak too slowly or digress too much and this is something that sets you apart!
This guy is saying everything as it is and it is true, most youtubest just praise MAcboks but me having used both Macbook M1 and Windows Acer, Asus, Hp, Everything even Gigabyte Aero, still windows is much more convenient to Learn Coding. But for Working Macbook is better. So while you are a student get yourself Hp Probook they have great keyboard or Acer Aspire, Acer Swift, Amd is preferable as less heat less fan noise, generally AMD always has more Ram More SSD and more battery life so go for AMD folks
Hi, i’m a pharmacist student (3rd year), and shift to CS because i want to follow my passion. Your comment is very helpful, since i have no clue more about computer or what should i target. Right now i’m clueless but i’m passionate about learning CS.
Why is macbook better for working?
I like that you are talking fast. I don't think it is too fast. Your mother should be proud!
I drive a ThinkPad z13 as a linux c++ developer. Linux support is really important to me and the z13 delivers on that front. The only thing that bothers me is the size. I really wish that Lenovo had made a 14inch version and added PgUp, PgDn, Home, End keys to the side for the extra space
Surface Pro 9 here. What makes it work is the two thunderbolt ports. One of which is used for your 4k or 5 k monitor. You're good to go.
I agree, although I could understand you perfectly, a middle ground between a our main body and outro would be ideal in terms of speaking speed. It doesn’t need to pro-long the videos if you go a more concise route. Having said that if you hadn’t of mentioned it, I wouldn’t have cared 🤷♀️ You do you!
I leave you my setup in case it can serve as a reference. I am a software engineer and I currently work as a cybersecurity consultant, in my free time a game programmer in Unity. Surface laptop 4 (AMD Ryzen, 16 GB RAM), second screen: Samsung (LS27A), Logitech G903 mouse and the MX Keys keyboard
Awesome guide with practical advise. Thanks!
Thanks for the list. I had been looking at upgrading to something like a new HP Elitebook, but the new ones at the time did not have an “Insert” key, and the RAM was was soldered to the main board, so not upgradable. Instead of buying one, I upgraded the RAM and HD. Now it looks like they finally added the “Ins” key at least on some models, so time to take another look. You mentioned noise and heat can be uncomfortable, but also note that sharp edges can dig into the wrists. Dell and Lenovo can have that sharp front edge which you may not notice at first, until you get sore wrists after sitting in certain positions.
The number of companies programmers end working for over their careers is incredible. I hate changing jobs, but I’m also a teacher. We tend to stick around one place forever. Lol
Not an actual coder here, but a Data Scientist and I would prefer the 16inch laptop anytime since I keep it on a stand with an external monitor and it serves the purpose of a secondary monitor better. I would strongly advice for either 16:10/3:2 ratio of the screen. When I travel or use just as a laptop, still the 16inch is the sweet spot.
hey i'm a data science student, and i want to buy a laptop, do you think 13"3 inch is enough? my laptop has only 950 gram
Tuxedo Computers has some really nice laptops!
As a developer and a laptop owner I think you’re missing the ideal setup, which is that we all use external monitors, keyboards and ice. I also use an external webcam and speaker phone.
My classes start in a few week and I was searching for a laptop. Impeccable timing.
Before i start coding i had legion y540. It was a good laptop but i sold it and switch to thinkpad e14 gen3. It's a great laptop, decent amd processor, 16gb ram, 1.25tb storage. Physical switch for camera and track point (love this one). I recommend everyone to search for a used thinkpad e series.
I prefer 15 to 16 inch screen laptops as the numpad is exceptionally useful especially if you know how to use macros
Thanks brother I am soon joining a engineering collage and wanted to buy a laptop for cs degree but don't know which one and this is gonna be my first laptop so I want best one thanks and new subscriber also love to you and your mom from India ❤
Small typo in title: ULTIMATE*
Nice video! Bought the Thinkpad z16 with Ryzen 7 pro and 32g ram. Works perfectly with Linux. Could not be more pleased with it!
Fixed my bad. Good choice with Z16
z16 feels like a mess. No trackpad buttons on top, poor port selection, and a chassis that feels like a middle finger to AMD fans...
I'm waiting for the Framework Laptop 16...
@@cameronbosch1213 I hear you. I have been using Thinkpads for the last 15 years and I was initially skeptical about this model. However, the trackpad is great, and the trackpoint buttons work fine. As a software developer, I find that I rarely have to use any ports other than USB-C or USB4. Furthermore, the performance is impressive, and it runs cool with the fans rarely kicking in during work. And if they are, I can not hear them. It has served me greatly the last 8 months.
Interested to see your reviews. Don't slow down. I always watch UA-cam videos faster than normal. You seem only slightly quicker than average. I liked the energy of this video.
In my opinion, the screen should be matte, nothing distracts as much as additional reflections on the screen.
Good point
Great video! Please make an additional video on 16" laptops
Thanks so much for this detailed review! I was really stuck on which laptop to buy, but your video cleared up all my doubts. Your insights made it easy for me to make the right choice. Keep up the awesome work!
Your videos are very informative. I was just looking for a reliable video for the best laptop for programmers!
I have switched to laptop with 3:2 aspect ratio, and IMO, this is the best view for coder as you will have more screen vertical real estate.
Thanks Josh! This is exactly what i was looking for
Thanks for the list! Your videos are always insightful; your mother should be prouder.
As a non-native English Speaker, I have no problem following you; maybe she wants you to appeal to a wider audience.
Thank you. Very helpful
@@JustJoshTech Thanks Josh. You're the best.
I'm a student going to college for software development, so this video came out at a perfect time! Now i just need to decide between a Mac and a Thinkpad.....
Thanks Josh great video! I have been coding for years and unfortunately farsighted so things can be blurry. 16” is what I will be buying nexts to make it easier to see.
Pro tip for mum: hover over the video -> select the "gear" icon at the bottom of the video -> select playback speed -> select 0.75
Someone who live place to place and can not get monitor having big screen is must have.
I like LG 17 which weights 1.4kg.
This was awesome. Thank you very much. A+ course assignment has me recommending best options in a project assignment this helped me a lot.
I was looking for a 6800U laptop last year but local stores were slow to stock so I ended up getting a ROG Flow X13 (6800HS) without discrete graphics. Very overlooked productivity laptop from a gaming brand. The screen is a bit small, but it's very crisp (thanks for no matte!) and it's 120Hz so it will make scrolling feel better. The keyboard is no Thinkpad but does the job well. You get touchscreen, a pen, and you can fold the device to tablet mode. You can even run most games reasonably well with just onboard graphics. Also no aggressive gamer aesthetics that usually comes with ASUS ROG. Overall a very versatile device with a very capable processor. Hopefully they keep on with the quality with future refreshes.
Josh, you're videos are superb and I look forward to them. You asked for our reactions as to whether your pacing is too fast. With all due respect, I find that you speak about as fast as possible without sacrificing quality. If you went any faster, it would be too fast. When you show graphics during your presentations, I sometimes find that you don't leave them up for quite long enough and I have been unable to really digest the info in the graphic. Please accept these comments in the spirit with which they were intended: you really do a very fine job.
Helpful. Thank you
A bit supprised that none of Dell's laptop was mentioned.
Hi Josh, I would be very interested in a 16" programming laptop review. These days with the thin bezels, they are smaller than the 15.6" laptops of a few years ago. About the speed of your speech, it's one of the reasons I subscribed to your channel because you convey your excellent information efficiently. Keep up the great work!