You know that won’t ever pass and stand your ground is why people shoot each other up in Florida and claim self defense but really they just felt threatened and not in any actual danger
Okay first of all the vast majority of self defense shootings are justified. Secondly, "felt threatened and not in any actual danger" is a dishonest argument. If a person is making someone feel legitimately threatened, it's because they're actively being violent or aggressive. Fatal injuries can be inflicted in a split second. This means that you can't afford to hesitate or double check once someone has initiated a physical altercation. Forcing citizens to wait until it's too late to protect themselves or get thrown in prison is disgustingly irresponsible, bordering on cruel. Gun owners who exercise their right to self defense end up getting screwed over by corrupt district/state attorneys who take bribes from Soros. Stand your ground simply provides an extra layer of protection for citizens who were forced to protect themselves. If the vultures with the anti gun lobby weren't preying on law abiding citizens, then laws like this might not be necessary.
He's saying don't lump him and other moderate Dems in with the nutty progressives but that's the problem. The DNC allowed the fringe group to be the outspoken and honestly are scared to death to contradict them because they could be canceled and their political career over.
Right, its not like you can rely on the police to get there before the criminal is gone. Even if they come, you're still not going to get your property back, or fixed
Its as simple as this.......We the People DO NOT want a CORRUPT agency. If they do their jobs for the people, by the people as intended, then there's no problems. NO MORE CORRUPTION PLEASE AND THANKS! 😤🤬🤣 It'd be much appreciated. 🇺🇸 We the People 🇺🇸 ONLY
Should "we the people" get rid of the CIA, FBI, NSA, DHS, DEA, DOJ . . . ? There has been evidence of corruption and a departure from the "will of the people" in those agencies at times. Do you support abolishing police departments after a civil rights violation? Do not let your "patriotism" blind you to the dangers of abolition, rather I suggest reform.
@@glicklaw 🤔 Well said. I'll keep that in mind. Not for abolishing per say. Just want the bad actors gone, and a way in the future to find and weed them out faster.
@@jf7078 I think we can all agree on that. I too hope for federal agency employees violating civil rights to be prosecuted. I worry we are quick to try and tear the whole establishment down. I cannot support that.
I think more people are for abolishing the ATF than are against it, once you show what they have done, majority would be for it. DONT FORGET THE IRS AS WELL!!! They have to go!
ATF is out of hand. Held up a Navy sailor at gunpoint and stole his legally owned weapons. Are now going around knocking on doors, armed and wearing plate carriers, trying to entrap people for FRT triggers. They aren't privy to that information, so how do they know whose door to knock on? Two men in prison for a drawing.
Patrick Tate Adamiak has been indicted for selling illegal machine guns. he was found guilty of receiving and possessing an unregistered destructive device. receiving and possessing an unregistered firearm and one count of unlawful possession and transfer of a machine gun. many times the atf will bust a manuf and get their client list. in the case of the frt triggers. the people the atf went and talked to were told those triggers were illegally modified. do you even try to validate the information you share?
@@pen25oh please how about you explain when those triggers become illegal and who actually made them illegal. At this point the ATF along with the FBI and IRS are nothing more then jack outs for the democrat party.
@@pen25 Government argued a decorated Navy serviceman "could" have made some other type of weapons from parts and also entrapped him for a milling difference on a part he assumed was purchased legally from a legit company, so the government got a conviction on a trumped up case. So AFT is showing up and harassing people and threatening them with prison based on a rule and rumors about triggers? Is this Communist China now? Why are they going after decorated servicemen and not the cartels?
blacks will do anything to go against 2A and the owners of guns,they blame the gun but the black criminals are not at fault and the police are the villians
Leave your convertible unlocked so they won't cut the top when they break in to rifle through your car. I did that with my mustang in downtown San Diego and they cut the top to get in anyway! Are the thieves stupid or just Aholes - or both?!
@@deebrown6460 - Absolutely! One morning in Venice (CA) I opened my (Mustang conv.) car door and it smelled so bad I instantly knew a bum had spent the night in it!
I have also experienced what happened here where someone says this and this and this happened to me in my life and then they say something insane that doesn’t quite follow
Republicans can't pass anything in the senate right now, and Gaetz knows this just as Jordan does. That doesn't mean that the hearings and subcommittees are worthless, though. Far from it. The attacks on whistleblowers was exposed to the American people and MTG has announced she will be introducing articles of impeachment against Wray, Garland, Graves, even the 'Big Guy' himself. Articles of impeachment were already introduced against Mayorkas. Therefore, I must say in closing, with respect to your statement and to you directly, I humbly disagree. I think shining a spotlight every now and then to make the roaches scurry is a good thing. Forgive my very southern expressions and manner of speaking. I am one of many democrats right now who want this administration to be dismantled from the head down. It's destroying our party and our nation. We, as so-called "blue dog" democrats, are the only democrats still working from the hope of 2008. The change never came, but the hope is still there that it can. I just never thought it would come from the republicans - but they've gotten rid of a good number of the neocons.
I say defund, the FBI and give the FBI power to police there the first on the scene do all the work than the FBI comes in like some kind of superhero, and takes over and then ends up falling flat on its face because they won’t investigate it any further
@@pen25the police are out of control too. They go to wrong houses,and kill innocent people . They arrest people who aren't committing any crimes, in retaliation for exercising our rights. Planting illegal things on people (caught by their own bodycams). They get sued quite often for violating civil rights.(in 2022 it was over $7.4 billion alone) there is much more corruption going on than the news leads you to believe. they seem to have all this money to violate people"s rights, but cant fight crime
America never wanted the ATF to begin with. That’s the difference. We want local law enforcement. We don’t want government agencies that we didn’t vote for trying to make rules that infringe our rights. That is why most of us on the right do not even recognize the ATF as law enforcement. The old I don’t make the rules I just do my job won’t cut it here. If you remain in the ATF while they continue with these infringements, you are just as much a tyrant as your boss that gave you the orders.
THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT EVERY ONE OF THOSE THREE LETTER AGENCIES ARE DEFINITELY NOT DOING THEIR JOB AT THE BORDER! IT IS ABSOLUTELY EVIDENT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT THEY ARE MANDATED TO DO! THEY NEED TO BE DEFUNDED BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO STOP THE CARTELS FROM BRINGING DRUGS IN TO THE COUNTRY! BOTTOM LINE IS THAT EVERY ONE OF THOSE AGENCIES THAT ARE NOT DOING WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO, THEY MUST PROVE TO THEM THAT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOING BUSINESS AS USUAL! AND THEY WILL BE DEFUNDED ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO DO! IF THEY DON'T DO WHAT IS EXPECTED TO DO,THEY DEFINITELY DO NOT DESERVE ANY MORE FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,PERIOD!
We have red flag laws in this country do you really think cartels are transporting drugs into this country in secret? Do you really think the FBI and federal government are actually surprised to find CCP police stations in the United States? Wake up people the democrats of today are catering to corrupt governments more then their own peopke.
All civil suits the police dept has to pay out should come from their pension funds, not tax dollars. Knock that blue wall of silence down, I bet the character of the dept. changes quick.
@@rayshamrockclearly you have no understanding of Australian gun laws. We’re certainly not armless. Google Australian school massacre shooting see how many results you get.
We don’t need both. I was a local law enforcement officer assigned to DHS. I could investigate circles around those Agents. Give Federal jurisdiction to local investigators. Problem solved.
He would not be waving his finger in my face. I can gaurantee he would not allow my doing that to him, it is rude and very unprofessional behavior. He would be called out and I would demand an apology.
TRANSLATION OF "PRETTY BOY MATT'S" BS = He is upset because his Daddy i.e. "The RUMP" is getting investigated and prosecuted in multiple ways as well as those from Jan 6th - pure, plain, and simple... Plus "Pretty Boy Matt" may be suffering from more constipation than usual too... 🤣
This was a good conversation! I don’t think this democrat seemed logical and level headed. This is my first time actually seeing him but that was my first impression.
Gun violence as he says, can best be dealt with through mental health. Won't be overnight. Will be a long road, but deal with that then we might get somewhere. 🇺🇸
That's ripe, a democrat telling people to tone it down. After the BS we witnessed them do over the last six years.
You haven't been paying attention. It is the Republicans who are trying to de-fund law enforcement.
Democrats stay in your head rent free huh 😂😂 what a cuck
Actually even longer than 6 yrs. I would have to say closer to 15-20 yrs
5 years of screaming defund the police while the nation is burnt down.
They're the biggest two-faced Hypocrites in the world liberals and Democrats!
Yes, we need a Federal stand your ground law!
Absolutely.
You know that won’t ever pass and stand your ground is why people shoot each other up in Florida and claim self defense but really they just felt threatened and not in any actual danger
@@TheHomieNesshysterical that you think that about Florida. Bet you've never stepped foot in the free state.😅
@@ned_frankly Yeah, bet he hasn't been to Texas, where we have a Robust Stand Your Ground laws.
Okay first of all the vast majority of self defense shootings are justified. Secondly, "felt threatened and not in any actual danger" is a dishonest argument. If a person is making someone feel legitimately threatened, it's because they're actively being violent or aggressive. Fatal injuries can be inflicted in a split second. This means that you can't afford to hesitate or double check once someone has initiated a physical altercation. Forcing citizens to wait until it's too late to protect themselves or get thrown in prison is disgustingly irresponsible, bordering on cruel. Gun owners who exercise their right to self defense end up getting screwed over by corrupt district/state attorneys who take bribes from Soros. Stand your ground simply provides an extra layer of protection for citizens who were forced to protect themselves. If the vultures with the anti gun lobby weren't preying on law abiding citizens, then laws like this might not be necessary.
Where was this Ivey guy when his democrat colleages were in the streets yelling defund police? He was as quiet as a church mouse.
HE IS A MOUSE.!!
He's saying don't lump him and other moderate Dems in with the nutty progressives but that's the problem. The DNC allowed the fringe group to be the outspoken and honestly are scared to death to contradict them because they could be canceled and their political career over.
Do you mean the peaceful protests?
Hey Nancy said people will do what they do. Lol the lies and hypocrisy out of our government is just amazing.
@@cliffd8380 so thats why the woke crowd is pissed at Biden? He didn't keep one promise he made
Im going to stand my ground with or without law.
Right, its not like you can rely on the police to get there before the criminal is gone. Even if they come, you're still not going to get your property back, or fixed
The sinaloa cartel that got as strong as they are due to the federal govt
They get paid plenty by the families they smuggle in!
@@vincevegas8529 cia, atf, and dea
@@usleadershipareliars - 'There's a lotta money in dat white powder!' - Sonny Corleone
I was just about to comment didn't the atf arm those exact cartels?
@@johnsmith-oh9is Yes, yes the ATF did. 'Fast and Furious' operation.
Its as simple as this.......We the People DO NOT want a CORRUPT agency. If they do their jobs for the people, by the people as intended, then there's no problems. NO MORE CORRUPTION PLEASE AND THANKS! 😤🤬🤣 It'd be much appreciated. 🇺🇸 We the People 🇺🇸 ONLY
Should "we the people" get rid of the CIA, FBI, NSA, DHS, DEA, DOJ . . . ? There has been evidence of corruption and a departure from the "will of the people" in those agencies at times. Do you support abolishing police departments after a civil rights violation? Do not let your "patriotism" blind you to the dangers of abolition, rather I suggest reform.
@@glicklaw 🤔 Well said. I'll keep that in mind. Not for abolishing per say. Just want the bad actors gone, and a way in the future to find and weed them out faster.
@@jf7078 I think we can all agree on that. I too hope for federal agency employees violating civil rights to be prosecuted. I worry we are quick to try and tear the whole establishment down. I cannot support that.
@@glicklaw No, for sure not. They are very much a necessity.
@@glicklaw ATF and DEA need to go away.
Thank you, Matt Goetz, keep putting forward common sense.
Spell much..?
@@Lucyanne1377 two periods and a equation mark does not make 3 periods.
Amen.
I think more people are for abolishing the ATF than are against it, once you show what they have done, majority would be for it. DONT FORGET THE IRS AS WELL!!! They have to go!
all of these agencies are unconstituional every single one! everysingle one are corrupt!
You want to abolish the IRS?
Defund the ATF, The FBI, The Dept of Education, the EPA and Representative Ivey.
@@graymansolutions6195 Most of the Fed donkey or elephant. True that!
DEA
Let's DEFUND U!
WYH FOR? That's creepy ignorance.
Defund Congress all state houses All mayor offices and all courts and police federal state and local. That would make us super safe and crime free. 🙃
ATF is out of hand. Held up a Navy sailor at gunpoint and stole his legally owned weapons. Are now going around knocking on doors, armed and wearing plate carriers, trying to entrap people for FRT triggers. They aren't privy to that information, so how do they know whose door to knock on? Two men in prison for a drawing.
Patrick Tate Adamiak has been indicted for selling illegal machine guns. he was found guilty of receiving and possessing an unregistered destructive device. receiving and possessing an unregistered firearm and one count of unlawful possession and transfer of a machine gun.
many times the atf will bust a manuf and get their client list. in the case of the frt triggers. the people the atf went and talked to were told those triggers were illegally modified. do you even try to validate the information you share?
@@pen25oh please how about you explain when those triggers become illegal and who actually made them illegal.
At this point the ATF along with the FBI and IRS are nothing more then jack outs for the democrat party.
@@pen25 Government argued a decorated Navy serviceman "could" have made some other type of weapons from parts and also entrapped him for a milling difference on a part he assumed was purchased legally from a legit company, so the government got a conviction on a trumped up case. So AFT is showing up and harassing people and threatening them with prison based on a rule and rumors about triggers? Is this Communist China now? Why are they going after decorated servicemen and not the cartels?
blacks will do anything to go against 2A and the owners of guns,they blame the gun but the black criminals are not at fault and the police are the villians
Are you talking about gang member round up?
Just off the top, you could get rid of the ATF, IRS and EPA. 🤔
Yes the EPA did nothing for Ohio good day
C'mon man, how many people would they put out of work? Mad money in b.s. deals.
Grifting is a whole new occupation these days.
The founding fathers never intended for the people to be under the heel of unelected government officials.
DEA too
We want to get rid of the corruption within those agencies.
ATF-Waco, TX enough said
People in San Francisco are being told to leave their car windows down so their car windows won’t be broken when being burglarized 😂
Wouldn't it be more efficient to simply leave your stuff on the ground, next to the car?
Also makes it easier for homeless to sleep and sh#t in the car
Leave your convertible unlocked so they won't cut the top when they break in to rifle through your car. I did that with my mustang in downtown San Diego and they cut the top to get in anyway! Are the thieves stupid or just Aholes - or both?!
Are you serious
@@deebrown6460 - Absolutely! One morning in Venice (CA) I opened my (Mustang conv.) car door and it smelled so bad I instantly knew a bum had spent the night in it!
Get’em Matt! Speak the facts
What a shame! I’m afraid he doesn’t have the capacity to tolerate “facts”.
This is actually a better conversation than most that happen there.
Was going to say the same....be nice to see more of this!!!
I have also experienced what happened here where someone says this and this and this happened to me in my life and then they say something insane that doesn’t quite follow
Go get em Matt!
These hearings are an ILLUSION to make you THINK they are actually doing something
Republicans can't pass anything in the senate right now, and Gaetz knows this just as Jordan does. That doesn't mean that the hearings and subcommittees are worthless, though. Far from it. The attacks on whistleblowers was exposed to the American people and MTG has announced she will be introducing articles of impeachment against Wray, Garland, Graves, even the 'Big Guy' himself. Articles of impeachment were already introduced against Mayorkas.
Therefore, I must say in closing, with respect to your statement and to you directly, I humbly disagree. I think shining a spotlight every now and then to make the roaches scurry is a good thing. Forgive my very southern expressions and manner of speaking. I am one of many democrats right now who want this administration to be dismantled from the head down. It's destroying our party and our nation. We, as so-called "blue dog" democrats, are the only democrats still working from the hope of 2008. The change never came, but the hope is still there that it can. I just never thought it would come from the republicans - but they've gotten rid of a good number of the neocons.
So when they are allowed to get away with criminal activities, who is the one to prosecute them?😅
Shut down the ATF.
Love Matt! He's priceless
A true joke. He's good at sex trafficking under age kids.
The ATF should be shut down.
What a joke. Put these politicians who defend these agencies on notice. Fire them all.
I say defund, the FBI and give the FBI power to police there the first on the scene do all the work than the FBI comes in like some kind of superhero, and takes over and then ends up falling flat on its face because they won’t investigate it any further
We don't want them to get rid of that FBI either we just wanted to do their damn job and they don't do it unless it's a republican involved
wtf you talking about?
Democrats have pretty much destroyed policing in the United States. But I agree we need to get rid of the FBI.
NASHVILLE.!!
@@pen25the police are out of control too. They go to wrong houses,and kill innocent people . They arrest people who aren't committing any crimes, in retaliation for exercising our rights. Planting illegal things on people (caught by their own bodycams). They get sued quite often for violating civil rights.(in 2022 it was over $7.4 billion alone) there is much more corruption going on than the news leads you to believe. they seem to have all this money to violate people"s rights, but cant fight crime
America never wanted the ATF to begin with. That’s the difference. We want local law enforcement. We don’t want government agencies that we didn’t vote for trying to make rules that infringe our rights. That is why most of us on the right do not even recognize the ATF as law enforcement. The old I don’t make the rules I just do my job won’t cut it here. If you remain in the ATF while they continue with these infringements, you are just as much a tyrant as your boss that gave you the orders.
THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT EVERY ONE OF THOSE THREE LETTER AGENCIES ARE DEFINITELY NOT DOING THEIR JOB AT THE BORDER! IT IS ABSOLUTELY EVIDENT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING WHAT THEY ARE MANDATED TO DO!
THEY NEED TO BE DEFUNDED BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING TO STOP THE CARTELS FROM BRINGING DRUGS IN TO THE COUNTRY!
BOTTOM LINE IS THAT EVERY ONE OF THOSE AGENCIES THAT ARE NOT DOING WHAT THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO, THEY MUST PROVE TO THEM THAT THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE DOING BUSINESS AS USUAL!
AND THEY WILL BE DEFUNDED ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY HAVE SHOWN THAT THEY ARE WILLING TO DO!
IF THEY DON'T DO WHAT IS EXPECTED TO DO,THEY DEFINITELY DO NOT DESERVE ANY MORE FROM THE AMERICAN PEOPLE,PERIOD!
you realize its every day regular us citizens bringing the drugs in. right? btw they make a caplocks key. press it again to turn it off.
We have red flag laws in this country do you really think cartels are transporting drugs into this country in secret? Do you really think the FBI and federal government are actually surprised to find CCP police stations in the United States?
Wake up people the democrats of today are catering to corrupt governments more then their own peopke.
Yes please 🙏🏼
Love Gaetz ❤️❤️❤️❤️💔
Thank God for the FFWD function, which allows me to skip the DemocRat's bull.
FFWD to we’re you s*** Matt Gaetz D…
Sorry taht you got played by Trump and the GOP again.
@@jhindson88 How does Bribin Biden's taint taste?
Fjb bidencrimefamily
Trump is literally a criminal
We do NOT need the ATF!
ATF should be a nationwide store front.
Disband ATF, FBI, HLS, ect.
Get it all on record!
Shut down atf.
The people feel less secure by design.
Shut down ATF now
All civil suits the police dept has to pay out should come from their pension funds, not tax dollars. Knock that blue wall of silence down, I bet the character of the dept. changes quick.
Took down the Sinaloa cartel 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 what a joke
While simultaneously funding 4 other rival cartels.
Keep in mind the ATF is reading these comments and looking into us right now....
As an Australian it’s quite fascinating to watch the lunacy that goes on in these committee meetings.
More or less lunatic than an armless Australia?
@@rayshamrockclearly you have no understanding of Australian gun laws. We’re certainly not armless. Google Australian school massacre shooting see how many results you get.
We don’t need both. I was a local law enforcement officer assigned to DHS. I could investigate circles around those Agents. Give Federal jurisdiction to local investigators. Problem solved.
First responders should get a raise!
I don’t enjoy the fact that I actually respect a politician.
Gaetz actually gives a fuck and has standards and the guts to stand for them.
One of the very few I think deserves their position.
You know you've lost the debate when you resort to getting emotional. And then back track to and double down on the point that you already conceded.
Rep. IVEY, we need an HONEST ATF AND DOJ AND FBI , not a bunch of politically LEFT “ UNELECTED HENCHMEN TO DO THE ADMINISTRATIONS BIDDING “.!!
Coukdnt agree more
Those agencies are historically right wing. They literally assassinated Fred Hampton and right wingers loved it!
We don’t want it at all
As a Conservative, I actually agree with them both. Both are bringing good points to the table
No he's right we don't need them defund them thank you very much
FJB compromised traitor that durrrr,s support
💯
Blew my mind that this came uo for vote! Frightening that it was such a close vote.
AMERICANS WOULD VOTE TO DISBAND BIAS POLITICAL ORGANIZATIONS FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT
Shut 'em down!
We need all of them doing their assogned job, not going crazy on the people they're supposed to serve.
"WhY wOUlD YoU WAnnA DeFUNd ThE AT-eF?"
What a ridiculous question, but matt laid out MULTIPLE reasons.
Yes, none that were valid but please go on...
Matt Gates you are so right!!!! get rid of the ATF !
Commies require Alphabet Agenice Glen Ivey, and you're showing your colors loud & proud!
✅️💯🇺🇸
WE DONT FEEL.LESS SAFE...WE ARE.LESS SAFE
I agree. Shut down the ATF.
He would not be waving his finger in my face. I can gaurantee he would not allow my doing that to him, it is rude and very unprofessional behavior. He would be called out and I would demand an apology.
Very well glen
Defund all them constitutional poachers. They don’t follow any of the rules!!
Screw the FBI and the ATF!!
Nobody needs the overreaching and unconstitutional atf
Shutting down the ATF only neeeds one line of legislation.
That's a true conservative, even conserved their time and the ink.
We support out local law officers... Not corrupt..DOJ. FBI...ATF..IRS..ABOLISH THESE
Don't stop at the ATF. There's plenty of government to get rid of.
Agreed Matt
Screw Ivey…defund the ATF and the FBI
Not defund, abolish the ATF
Jim Jordan is a badass. Along with Gates. This is the kind of attitude we need in the government. This is awesome.
If you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about, right Republicans? Are you looking for empathy?
These demons don't know when to stop lying, I'm so sick of these sickos who lie so much
the FBI,DEA,ATF and HOMELAND SECURITY should keep out of Politics!!!!!!!!
Fire them.
Love Matt
When someone is breaking into your car, you don't need a detective. You need a gun .
TRANSLATION OF "PRETTY BOY MATT'S" BS = He is upset because his Daddy i.e. "The RUMP" is getting investigated and prosecuted in multiple ways as well as those from Jan 6th - pure, plain, and simple...
Plus "Pretty Boy Matt" may be suffering from more constipation than usual too... 🤣
Defund the ATF
POLICE is the topic! He's avoiding defund police!!!!!
The problem is , NO government agency is impartial. The End.
This looks familiar. 🤔Am I watching 1984?
I’d much rather shut down atf than our local police force
Did he say stop Fentanyl? Did he say DHS?
Defund!
Go Matt Colorado is the next California
Yeah Gaetz. You are totally correct.
It's great to keep them around IF they do their job. Instead they are targeting political agendas instead of crime.
what is a prison nation without prison guards
Matt Fla Respects You Brother
WWG1WGA
NCSWC
Maybe we need not maybe we need honest people at the head of these organizations to carry out equal justice
NEVER HAPPEN WITH THIS ADMINISTRATION.!
This was a good conversation!
I don’t think this democrat seemed logical and level headed. This is my first time actually seeing him but that was my first impression.
But we don't need them to abuse their power and over step their authority period. And any federal agency that does that should be punished.
Gaetz is 100% right .
I AM a whistleblower in Kingman AZ with world news Renee Craynon
No federal.state and local only
Just a thought, Right On, who ya gonna call Ghostbusters?
Gun violence as he says, can best be dealt with through mental health. Won't be overnight. Will be a long road, but deal with that then we might get somewhere. 🇺🇸
Defund them , get rid of their helpers then playing feild will be leveled 👍
This guy thinks the FBI of today is the same as 25 years ago.