Planche is HARDER than Maltese???
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- Yo, today, I am going to be talking about why maltese may be easier than planche for some people!
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Timestamps
0:00 Intro
1:25 Balance and planche
4:17 The importance of specificity
Planche is HARDER than Maltese???
#fitness #calisthenics #planche - Розваги
You actually made a video on this - Honored to have my comment turned into a video haha
Thanks for watching and thanks for the suggestion! I hope it was helpful 🙏❤️
@Barkage Definitely makes me feel better about my shit planche 🫡
Interesting topic!
Really looking forward for more discussion vids:)
I'm so amazing at how long you've been uploading quality videos, while still having such a tight community. I hope one day you get the recognition you deserve, but untill then I'll be scratching my head over why it hasn't happened yet
Okay so, as a personal trainer my experience with this is this:
Maltese is easier for those who have worked more the muscle of chest and biceps while planche is more shoulders (biceps too but less)
That’s why these happens to people who mostly do gym or street lifting previous of statics.
I don’t think it has to do with balance or tall athletes because I have seen that in people 1,60 also.
Also about the length of the limbs.. I’m sure this plays a role too but I have not payed attention to this part. But as for the previous everyone I know that Maltese is easier , what I wrote seems to be the case almost always.
However I’m open to listen other "theories" on that topic
Maltese is really more about squeezing the chest than front delts. It becomes considerably easier this way. I‘ve heard from someone who was tremendously strong on weighted dips and could maltese first try. In my mind it does not seem farfetched.
@@NeithLeonhart so you know how much he could dip for 1RM and what was his BW? I'm curious
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Actually I dont have a first hand source for that nor any numbers. I heard that from AlphaDestiny (now Alex Leonidas) who unfortunately didnt remember his name either but I fully trust him on that.
But I think you can see that weighted dips can contribute towards maltese because the same main muscles are involved (front delts, chest and lats) except biceps. Maybe you heard of the Viki Santoro who transitioned to weighted calisthenics for a period and was still able to hold maltese and what not.
But whatever you are doing for maltese you should still do some sort of maltese training. Specificity is king as they say.
we early for another amazing video 🫡
could you make a video about how to strengthen the elbow?
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you can strenghten the elbow and the tendons doing presses with dumbbells and if you don t have acces to them do presses with an elastic band (keep your scapula protracted and depressed) and just do raises with it with your elbows straight
Super interesting subject, love the vid
Thanks for watching!
man i'm so impatient to get to those skills. currently working on increasing my strength through weighted calisthenics. slow process :P
interesting topic could also be: wide planche is easier than normal planche because as u said i feel less balancing in wide vs normal.
Maybe you will do a video about your viewers youtube calisthenics chanel? Chechik their skills, overall performance as well as videos they make. Your new format is cool!
I think it would be worthwhile to mention if you ever had a weak planche whilst having a decent maltese tho it is obvious that the planche is far more front delt reliant.
I believe Scarxlus is similar to Elias on this topic, could be wrong tho. Seems to be relatively a lot better at maltese.
Do you do any weight training for planch and Maltese?
arm length is also a HUGE factor .Even though some tallers guys might be better at matlese , they migh be having short arms RELATIVE to their height.
eg: nedko is 181cm and is insane at maltese , he also has fairly short arms, gaggi yatarov is also 178cm and good at cross and maltese , he also has short arms.
Shorter arms are good for maltese and cross , longer arms are good for planche holds.
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i agreed with this statement my entire life claiming the longer your arms the easier planc e and harder the maltese because of the hugher amount of straon on the joints.
but lately iv been thinking to myself that planche is still a straight arm push like maltese so why would it favor longer arms? the strain should be the same even though you dont need to lean as much forward.
i know that it obvoously matter and as a 1.90 cm arms 1.78 body maltese is hard asf and planche is easy but i cant find the physical answer.
i think its a different kind of push and your arms are parallel to the ground in maltese compared to planche. what do you think?
has smth to do with limb length, cuz personally, I find wide planche and full planche are a bit easier than maltese (but I mean a bit), taking appart the conditionning aspect
Do you think the gymnastics “dream machine” is good for gaining planche strength?
Barkage of the hidden gains villaga! Yes man, based on my experience before, I have been training Planche for 2 years and I'm kind of bridging between gap of Advanced Tuck and Straddle Planche, and yes this is related to this video man. Before pandemic, it was 2018, there's this one vacation with family, and I was kind of hype and motivated that time, then I tried Maltese tuck variation, surprisingly I can hold it 5 seconds more than the normal tuck planche. Haha just sharing, maybe there's some science behind it, maybe you're right that tall guys will be able to progress faster with Maltese because we have stronger limbs and arms that cuts off the balance aspect. Thanks for this video man, maybe I was built for Maltese and not Planche haha. By the way my height is 175.5 cm and circling around 58-60kg that time, for those who are curious haha
So how is it now?
@@IgnatiusSukarjiyo-or2ch Still at Tuck Planche bro, I was inconsistent the past months but will not stop until I get the full Maltese
Great video! Imma add my grain of salt as I like to do:
- on balance: yeah I completely agree, I didn't think about it before you mentioned it, but taller guys seem to usually be better at maltese: Elias, Yordan Stanchev, even Dailong. I consider I have better predispositions for maltese than planche too, although my planche is stronger atm, which brings me to my second point:
- specificity. But not training cross or hefesto to strengthen maltese, but training planche or maltese directly. If you train maltese more you'll be better at it, and same for planche. Typically for rings gymnasts, the planche requires a lot more stability and balance than a maltese, and the maltese can be cheated with various techniques. Personally I stayed out of maltese for a long time because of a bicep injury, which is why my planche is better. But dw I'm coming back full force in maltese :)
- cheating!!!! Coming back on the "dead wide" planche you mentioned in another video, the reason why some people think their maltese is better is because their form is not really good, while they focus a lot more on it in planche. This can give a false sense of what's harder ot not.
Yep, thanks hahhaha! Yep, I think I may revisit the video about dead wide vs widest width
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To me it's also a matter of proportions: If you've got longer arms maltese is definitely going to be easier, like iron crossess as well. But if you've got shorter arms proportions compared to your torso etc, then probably they're harder.
Not many people factor in body proportions but sometimes it's what makes or breaks the capacity of learning a skill imho. There are some VERY tall people like a guy named Jack Vinati that is over 2 metres tall and he's able to hold planche and front lever "comfortably" but I'm sure he has great proportions as well.
Longer arms makes everything but iron cross easier. You have to lean less for your wrists to be under your center of gravity in planche, and same thing for front lever. With shorter arms, your arms would be closer to your body to be at your center of gravity for maltese. Long arms allow you to flare out more, which is an easier position to hold.
You got it backwards. Longer arms = harder maltese and cross. Short guys typically have longer arms in relation to their height so planche is easier but maltese is harder. I'm sure there is more to it than this but this seems to be the trend.
Hah this is completely backwards. What’s harder: holding a stick by its center, or by it’s end? The longer the lever the more force required, just like height. Arm length and height being greater will 100% of the time make an element more difficult
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what about arm length?? people with longer arm the body ratio have easier timd with planche and harder time with cross and maltese
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To sum it up,
big tiddies+arms+conditioning/specificity= maltese
3D delts+arms+conditioning/specificity= planche
Jk it's not that easy but ye
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I've been training Maltese for about 5 months and I'd like to try i without a loop band but I'm afraid of hurting myself. what should I do ? i know its a very personal thing but based on your experience if you can remember when you did your first maltese without assistance could you give me some advice ? :)
just use lighter and lighter loopbands until you assist yourself like 2 kilos so it's almost like doing it unassisted
Were talking while planching?
maltese or planche uses more shoulders ?
P bar prayer planche is harder than Maltese?
Barkage where are you now
Is it possible to be very good at Maltese and not being able to do a planche ? Like if you don't do any planche for years and just spam maltese.
The elements should def compliment each-other 99% of the time. Especially maltese to planche
maybe if someone has strong tendons he can easily do maltese