@@grahvis All the road rage incidents I've had have been with women. Once at a merge in turn some woman decided to fold my wing mirror in for me because "you should wait like everyone else" lol
@@MrSapps You’ve obviously been unlucky as all polls show men are more likely to ‘rage’ behind the wheel 😂 I have to confess I sometimes rant at other drivers. I don’t mind genuine errors or minor indiscretions..but drivers using the wrong lane to get to the front and cut people up and drivers weaving from lane to lane to try and gain one place really piss me off. It’s usually men I see but Ive had my fair share of women when cycling. All just annoying people to be honest.
I know there were no white line markings on that road but you were not over the center of the seam that indicates the center of that road, she however had her offside wheels over the seam and there fore in the event of a collision she would have been considered to be at fault. That said its no use arguing that you were in the right from a hospital bed is it. A greater degree of discretion could or should have ben used by the rider of the e scooter. I know that you did this on purpose to indicate perhaps a problem but am sure that under normal circumstances you would have given way as anyone with an ounce of common sense would do the same. She was in the wrong but then you still don't have the right of way and neither does she.
@@judgedredd49 I hear that argument a lot, and of course it makes sense - there's no point forcing the issue if you end up injured or worse. But i hate how the result is drivers continue to wrongly understand the road rules, bully other road users with their car, and in fact vulnerable road users surrender their rights to use the road safely. Might is right is wrong. As i said, from a self preservation perspective it is correct. But as a society we need to change that attitude.
@@judgedredd49 Have you ever given way to a more vulnerable road user because its safer for them? Sounds like you expect them to give way because THEY are more likely to be injured, it needs to be the other way around. I bet she doesn't drive at horses like that.
You have discovered what anyone who rides a bicycle experiences. Dangerous drivers who lack imagination about how dangerous their behaviour is and who are also often ignorant of the rules of the road. They make up their own rules to justify their anger which is usually just because they are frustrated about traffic and queues and annoyed that someone on a bike isn't stuck in it.
@@thechillpill3233 quite a lot of cyclists do that lol, it’s not like there aren’t a multitude of drivers who don’t go on their phones, or go through red lights, or just don’t know how to drive in general
I did find it kinda funny how he mentioned the priority thing after criticising dash cam channels for it. But I do understand he kept himself and everybody else safe which is the key difference.
Here in Spain, e-scooters are now part of the scenery. Mine is more powerful than the little machines legally available in the UK, but is limited to 25kph by law, though this can be overridden by the onboard computer to the actual top speed of 45kph. I live in a small town with very limited public transport options, so It really is a game changer for me as I don't drive... and at 68, it's waaay more fun than someone my age should be entitled to, and an absolute joy in the warmth and sunshine
In Benidorm a month ago and they were everywhere as well as e bikes and normal cycles with what appeared to he no problems fitting into their environment at all. Well done Spain. Our U.K. government is a waste of space, takes them forever to decide to make no decision.
@@jpfootballhd In places you can't book them; unlocking them before you get there almost guarantees someone else will hop on for a free ride. Voi need to enable prebooking in all slightly rural areas.
That last situation is par for the course. Welcome to the world of two wheels. Even on a big adventure motorcycle if you take up an early position, just as you did, the 4x4 etc. will just force their way through expecting you to take to the gutter. I always tell riders I take out to position early, make it clear what your intentions are, but at the end of the day don't turn it into a game of chicken and you may have to yield, even if it is technically your priority.
Someone the other day on my faired CBF600 expected me to hop up a kerb out the way like a bicycle, because they tried to force their way around a parked car. It was downhill for me and I couldn't go backwards, so I was stuck there until they got it into their head they would have to move. In hindsight I could have seen it happening, and avoided it, but I was following a car, and they were stopped behind the parked car to let the car in front past.
@@ashley_neal Am I wrong in assuming driving instructors have some powers they can use in certain situations where they can revoke a license or something along those lines? Don't ask where I heard this from as it was many years ago.
'wrong side of the road' - If there were white lines painted down the middle of the road where would she and her vehicle be in relation to those white lines? She'd have crossed them wouldn't she?
Cycled to work for 25 years, 34 miles per day, 5 days a week and generally raced and cycled all my life. Yes I fell off a couple of times. Still cycling at 65, I do not know of anybody fitter at my age. I am slim, no arthosclerosis tested by carotid artery ultrasound scan, no arthritis, take no prescription drugs and have no comorbitities whatsoever. Just enjoying a healthy later life thanks mainly to aeroboic exercise and a healthy lifestyle.
@@stevezodiac491 Oh it's undoubtedly fantastic for your health. It's also great for the environment and cheaper than almost any other firm of transport other than walking. But city planners or the politicians that employ them don't seem to give the slightest toss about providing the infrastructure to make cycling a safe way to travel. I always get so jealous of the Dutch and how they just make infrastructure just work safely and efficiently.
Using the voice is a brilliant improvisation though, especially the quintessentially English "Hoi" . I was a great fan of "Oi!" music when I was younger. Thers no mistaking impending danger when someone shouts "Hoi!".
I gave up using 2 wheels a long time ago and have absolutely no intention of going back. @14:00 the irony of trying to pick an argument with Ashley almost made me chuckle. Obvious what went on here..... and she was not prepared to be educated. Excellent upload as always. Stay safe everyone 👍
This was an outstanding video and the first I've seen from Ashley. What I thought was great was his calmness in the scenarios. Scooters are becoming a problem where I live as we're not in a pilot area but have a number of people using them on the roads and the pavements. As a regular cyclist it is the same problems of sharing the road but with a bit of patience and understanding we can all get on and the majority of times everything is good, we just remember the close calls.
thats why people need to not rideshare these cheap scooters, and buy a hyperscooter for more power so you can ride it in the streets instead of sidewalk
Thank you for making this. I’m a car driver, motorcyclist and cyclist. On two wheels I always ensure I take the primary position and hold up the vehicle’s behind, forcing them to overtake in a proper gap and also increase my visibility to oncoming traffic. Yes you got held up for 50 seconds, we all make our way to our destination.
I recently returned to the road after a 12month absence (because of a medical issue) your videos have been invaluable to me in terms of overcoming my anxiety about driving again. The one thing I have noticed is how many people drive REALLY badly and clearly do not understand basic rules of the road. In the past, I was probably one of those people but no longer. I have taken to reviewing my dashcam footage and comparing my driving to the stuff you teach which has benefited me enormously, so thank you very much!
Good to hear you're back on the roads, I'm guessing your health issue must be managed or better! Stay safe and if you get any good dash footage send it in! Take care and drive safe :)
For a brief second when Ashley said, "Do you know who ..." I thought he was going to say, "Do you know who I am?!" 🤣 I wonder if by some small miracle she sees this video, how she'd reflect on the interaction.
People should see themselves reacting to things more often only then would they learn that they are responsible for THERE actions and the consequences that come of that
They're available in my town too, so I tried one recently. My thoughts are that scooters are a good solution to short trips, but their small wheels are a bit of a liability on our bumpy potholed roads. I think, for roughly the same money, a folding electric bike is safer, mainly because of the bigger wheels. But thanks for sharing this - your video was a good representation of what it is like to ride a scooter.
They are nasty things from an engineering and stability point of view. A LOT could be done to make the design safer, more stable and better able to handle real world road conditions...but the things would cost a lot more. That would make them less attractive
That whole video was terrifying! Those scooters look perfect for speeding between the estates in Milton Keynes using the redways but don't look at all suitable for main road use.
@@GilesWendes There's a section of road between me and town that badly needs resurfacing. The rest of that road has been done already over the past few years, just this winter the cracks really opened up on that final section.
That lady's attitude is really terrifying but i'm under no illusion that it's an isolated case. Seems to be a case of the unwritten road hierarchy where bigger car = more priority. Very scary knowing that people on two wheels put their lives in other people's hands who don't realize the responsibility they have behind the wheel.
I agree with you but the actual cause of the encounter is that she has just came across a situation for the first time and made a mistake, the next time may well be different. Personally I would prefer to not have them on the road or pavement, they are a joke to help eliminate cars altogether !
@@damedusa5107 Who invented the e-scooter, Who is promoting them and who is financing them ? Innocent questions but important all the same to understand what is actually going on ! They are part of the solution to too many cars and should be judged in that light !
I bought one to drive to work a while back but I have been almost driven over, shouted at, slapped through the window, and ridiculed so many times I'm about to give up. Even though I had some policemen telling me I'm in the right, it doesn't make me feel any better when cars scrape by me and insulting me every time. I'd rather go against traffic regulations and drive on the pavements or sidewalks than using the road.
Don't drive on the pavement (sidewalk). That will just anger the walking road users (pedestrians). Entitlement (to the road) is a hard condition to fix.
I thought privately owned e-scooters are illegal on the road? A bit strange that policemen have been telling you that you are in the right when you are breaking the law?
@@32shumble That is not the case in germany. When you have an approved for road-use e-scooter and registered it with your insurance you can use a privately owned e-scooter on the road. There are some limitation of course, for example max speed 20km/h, but otherwise no, you are not breaking the law over here.
Just wait until 2030 when the government forces everyone out of their petrol and diesel powered vehicles. Most people won't be able to afford electric cars, so they'll end up walking, cycling or riding e-scooters. The roads will be a much calmer, safer place.
But he could see her also and chose to position himself further out to force his priority rather than sensibly just pulling to the left slightly....just heard him saying he realises he created this unecessarily so fair play for him realising that at least for next time...
@@mrturnbull9504 he did not create it unnecessarily, he needed enough space to ensure a car door opening didn’t knock him off, and the other car just decided he didn’t deserve any space because he was not a car. It’s poor if you think what she did was acceptable or that he was in the wrong.
"I'm bigger, I can barge through" unfortunately applies a lot. i have had many cases of lorries turning to the main road from side road right in front of traffic, if anyone dares to press the horn a little, so do they because they are bigger and have all the right in the world.
One time I didn’t barge through on my right of way, because the traffic a head of me was building up to a stop, so I gestured for the other drivers to go through instead of blocking the road. I got a right mouthful from the man in his car saying “wow, you women need to read the Highway Code” I asked him to look at what I saw and said “ maybe you need to use your mirrors” he drove off with a sour look on his face, but I was pleased as punch 😌
Had this as a cyclist on many occasions driving down an industrial road where a hgv is parked on the oncoming side. Drivers see me in the middle of my lane to go past the hgv safely and still pull out seeing me coming
I’ve literally had people saying this to me, when I’m in my bike. Do we actually teach drivers this? Why do so many drivers actually believe priority is defined by size? Seeing a vulnerable road user, why wouldn’t anyone act with more caution?
14:00 as a cyclist there was no need to fully obstruct the road. you could see there was no risk of doors opening from the parked car on the left and you should have just riden closer to the side. Theres loads of space for a car and a scooter to pass
That was my initial thought aswell, have to deal with a situation like that many times every day even on a tighter road and parked cars on both sides of road with no gaps. Don't see a problem why both of them could not of fit through there with ease. Neal borderline middle of the road... Only difference if he was in a car that only 1 could of fit through and woman would of gave way. She obiviosly saw there is space for both of them, if Neal moved to the left. Now not saying he did that on purpose, I would guess lack of confidence on the scooter is why he kept a gap that he did.
@@FiTZYrr Agree. Often have far tighter situation on rides especially small roads. Neal primarily drives so he would probably be thinking as a driver rather than a rider. Definitely takes a bit of confidence pulling close to cars or tight against the side of the road. Scooters aren’t the easiest to control either. But there was definitely a lot of space that could have been used
The guidance is that a car should give a cyclist the same space as they would a car. 1.5 meters from passing traffic, and .75 meters from the kirk/ parked cars. So no he should have taken a dominant position.
@@gerardmcmanus thats when cars are overtaking from behind. when you can see the car infront and they are going slow with less than 2 lanes it doesnt really apply. If people took the dominant position in every situation like this youll get a lot of angry drivers and a lot of conjestion.
Wide angle lenses can make things look further away. If you've seen what happens when a car door opens onto a cyclist then you'll always ride wide of car doors.
I'm a motorbike rider on L plates, and despite riding for over 3 years now, I still get the odd car who thinks because they're in a car and not on L plates the rules don't apply to them. So Ashley, get yourself on a scooter/moped and give us your opinions.
Riding a 1200 touring motorbike and still get car drivers trying to force their way past when they don’t have right of way. It’s just people’s impatient attitudes nowadays, unfortunately.
The biggest problem on the roads in general is the number of people who think the rules don’t apply to them. People on e-scooters don’t even know that there’s any rules … and with these ad hoc trials around the country, there don’t appear to be any set rules, either.
@@oddjobtriumph1635 Waste of money, I don't need anything more than a 125, plus I've only just turned 24 this year, so for me there was no point spending money on a restricted licence even if the test and in some cases the bike, being the same. If I was 24+ when I started, I would've gone DAS straight away.
"I could have knocked you off"......no, you could have waited for the more vulnerable road user (who had an earlier position to show their intent) to clear before moving out. It was interesting to see the drivers interpretation of priority.......or would she pull out on a bin wagon also and then lecture them that they could have killed her with their large vehicle. I suspect it boils down in most cases to an individual feeling they are more important or their journey is more important, rather than a vehicle size hierarchy.
They think that it is a case of “I have the power to change your life for worse, don’t get in my way and stay on the pavement. I am irresponsible and can easily run over that dinky scooter. The road is for me. Shove off.” When it should be “yes of course you can share the road with us cars, we just both need to be aware, sensible and careful.”
I love how she was saying you were riding on the wrong side of the road when there is literally a line down the middle of the road showing that you were in fact on the correct side of the road. Some people.
@@horsenuts1831 Only it does. When you hit someone with your car you get a slap on the wrist. When you get 12 points for repeatedly driving like a pillock you just say you need it for your job and they let you off. Everything about driving reinforces the idea that its a right and that everyone else is of secondary concern to you being able to drive however you like. The whole system of driving relies on the majority of people being decent enough to compensate for the utter pricks that are on our roads. If people didn't drive defensively they would probably be in about 5 crashes every time they hit the motorways. Until driving becomes a privilege nothing will change. Getting your license seems to absolve you of having to drive with regard for others. Just look at any of the sentences for people who hurt others through their wilfully neglegent driving and you will know everything you need to about how we view dangerous driving.
@@Ilovetriumphbikes except escooter riders have generally not had the level of training required to ride a motorcycle. This leads them to underestimate the dangers and ride in a way that would make most motorcyclists cringe. Not only am I having to watch out for being drivers cutting me off while filtering I am now having to worry about 13 year olds on escooters pulling dangerous manoeuvres to filter or cross traffic. I know that Voi where I ride through in Bristol are checking ID but there must be a loophole as kids seem to be able to hire them freely somehow.
I am glad you looked for that issue to appear, as it educates the issues with other drivers, keep doing videos like that, as in plan things so we seee more issues with other drivers 👍
Welcome to the reality of cycling in Liverpool! I don't go anywhere near main roads anymore because my life isn't worth it. I hope the scooters enable more people to get a different experience of the road than driving a car. That range rover pass was an absolute classic, big car means they're more important.
It's quite controversial that you're allowed to go out and "hire" these scooters, and then you can ride them on the roads legally, but if you were to purchase an electric scooter or "electric wheel" or whatever, you're only allowed to use them on private property / private roads.
Because you would need to register them before you could use them. You can't use a kit car or imported car before they're registered either. The difference is that there's no registration process for e-scooters because they don't meet the current C&U and other regs for 'mechanically propelled vehicles'. Hence the need for the legislative changes to allow the trials.
@@BucksCycleCam England is built on draconian regulations anyway. Typical - the government is allowed to but the end consumer isn't, the usual "one rule for one, a different rule for everyone else" sort of thing.
Being the “weakest” vehicle, I may have waited for the Vauxhall too, knowing how many drivers behave. That said, you were not in the wrong and she gave away the twat in her when she started talking. Nice tour - thanks. 👍🏼😊
I've had some experience of these in Southampton (where the trial started back in March) riding from Central Station to about 20 minutes North into the suburbs, and while the people there seem slightly better at parking them in (or close to) designated bays, the actual scooters themselves are quite unstable and bumpy to be going at the speeds they're capable of. I do see people riding them a lot, though, so they seem popular there. Edit: the scooters do have a bell; it's the orange circular section where the left handlebar meets the central piece.
Great video. What I have learnt from my limited experience on a motorbike is it does not matter who is right or wrong, the aim is to stay safe and to walk/live another day.
The issue with e-scooters at the moment, is that you rarely see people using them on the road, I think every time I've seen someone they have been on the pavement or in some cases cycle lanes. This is clearly a large safety issue since going 15mph on the pavement is very dangerous to everyone, it also doesn't help that they are near silent, so pedestrians stepping out into the path of one is hard to avoid. Ideally what we need for e-scooters to become viable for everyone, is to have wider lanes for the likes to bicycles, roller-skates and small electronic vehicles (like e-scooters & e-skateboards). This would segregate traffic at walking/jogging speed (
Spot on, that's the trouble in this country, there's nowhere to put a cycle lane without narrowing the road, head to France or Germany where cycle lanes have figured for a very long time and work well. I'd agree on normal size bicycles being better, bigger wheels give much better stability and bigger wheels also handle bad surfaces better, I see these scooters being ridden by lots of underage people, many 2 up, when on the pavement they're a danger and on the road they tend to swerve around grids and bumps with no thought for what's behind them.
@@ProzYYnc That's what normal bikes can do as well. No need to race to work and arriving dripping sweat. That's your choice. If you want to go faster without sweating there are e-bikes. I'm not a doctor, but if you can't cycle on an e-bike because you're out of breath all the time you might have to go and see one. Even my dad who has had lung problems all his life and smoked for 40 years can go at 10mph on an e-bike without much effort.
@@ProzYYnc They are a great alternative to single-occupant cars doing short journeys. However I believe bicycles (including assisted ones) are a better alternative. Just more benefits from bikes, mostly regarding safety as well as wellbeing. I just think more effort should be made into making on-demand cycle hire schemes more accessible and widespread rather than dividing the market.
Driving is a life long skill, as new types of vehicles share the road and rules change, we all need to adapt and learn. I really believe that everyone should have to retake their driving test every 5 years. The concept of the scooters is good, but there does seem to be a link to anti social behaviour that needs to be addressed and educated for all road user.
Exactly. As a cyclist I get people trying to push me off the road, often drivers who are on the phone at the same time. It's constant. Getting three cameras for my bike and I will be reporting every driver who passes dangerously or is on their phone. That's the only thing we have to fight back against car drivers killing us.
Cycling home today I got the middle finger from a woman on her phone with kids out of seatbelts leaning into the front. Literally enough points to ban just for that.
@@rory90FiVe Whataboutism not only isn't a counter argument but in cars vs bikes you cannot possibly think either that bikes are more dangerous or that cars don't break the rules. TfL data over 10 years showed 71% of people hit and killed/seriously injured by a road user jumping lights were hit by a car, bikes I think were 4 or 7%. Bikes are involved in fatal collisions with pedestrians about 2 every 3 years, cars kill 500+ a year before you even look at people who are killed on the roads. Watch any dash cam channel and you'll see cars jumping lights, going the wrong way down the road, speeding, on phones etc. Watch any police clips show and see the number who drive dangerously to get away from police or drive drunk. Bikes are not the problem on the roads. Also, it's very rarely cyclists that cause the problem, it's the Random on Bike / Kid on Bike that are the problem - these are not cyclists!
It’s probably because the driving license rule leads people to abandon the app. By making people invested in it with cash they probably get far higher completion of sign up
Thanks Ashley, this is an excellent review of scooters especially going forward if they are legislated correctly, fully agree that the experience is same for cycling as with the car oncoming and to share the road equally. Agree driver needed to review her highway code but a shame you couldn't make example. Great review all same
"Cars overule..." Yeah not even remotely surprised at that. If you look at the road, you can see a line down the middle that you're not even over so her argument if you want to even call it that was entirely invalid. Classic car driver mentality, go for the headon, drive into conflict then come up with any reason as to why you're somehow in the right. "I'm driving so YOU on the bike/scooter/driving the bus/truck/learner give me way." Its actually her who's technically on the wrong side of the road. She goes over the aforementioned line.
People forget that all vehicles have equal rights on the road, and cars are extremely fast and heavy and can easily kill vulnerable road users, yet people still treat them like they’re an obstacle
@@ala0284 The problem is that once they have their licence, many motorists tend to believe they have a god-given right to use the road without hindrance to their progress. They forget that they have been licensed to drive a motor vehicle, and that licence is revokable. This isn't helped by the paltry (and sometimes non-existent) consequences of driving otherwise than in accordance with that licence (8600 drivers on more than 12 points, with three having over 60).
@@grahvis I once had a 'lady' running wide turning left off a main road shout at me (I was in a car) for having the temerity to approach the give way line on my side, because "You're supposed to give way to people turning into a side road". Wrong in several ways.
You know what I really admire about your videos and presentation?... "Did I go looking for that problem... I suppose I did..." There's always going to be be people in that scenario that know that you will be the crumple zone, not them, so they expect you to yield. And... as you quite wisely said, "Don't go looking for that problem." Great video, thanks for your e-scooter review :)
Yes great insight he engineered that situation to make an otherwise boring video about a grown man riding round town on a scooter. At the beginning why didn't he make himself aware of indicators and horn ?
They had these in Lisbon last I was there, Lime I think the company is called. With their extensive cycling paths through the centre it made using these a breeze. No worrying about going on busy roads or clogging up the pavement. They were also super easy to find with the app and were mostly fully charged. If Britain had enough cycle lanes and drivers were a bit more considerate of other road users they would be a great idea, unfortunately I think most inner city drivers would despise the idea of someone else using the roads. Although saying that they can be dangerous if the scooter user was not obeying road rules, and unfortunately I don't think most user would.
Little tip to smooth out the ride: bend the knees and hips slightly, as if surfing, and steer with the feet, like a skateboard. I see a lot of people riding scooters passively with their leg joints locked. Active riding is much smoother, safer, and more comfortable.
Although your position was further out than necessary, as you were passing cars on a scooter, it would be so easy for someone to open their door onto you. The extra room could save a trip to the hospital.
I’ve used them a couple of times in Bristol. I would say my experience is similar to yours. In one case, I was approaching a side road on the left. The woman in the car waiting to pull out looked right at me. In fact, I’d say we made eye contact, but she still pulled out directly in front of me so that I had to brake. Fortunately, I was kins of expecting it, so there was never any real danger. Also quite a few drivers seemed to actively try to make my life difficult e.g. closing up gaps in queues so I couldn’t get across to position myself to turn right. As for the driving license thing, I can confirm they only ask for it the first time you use an scooter. I’ve seen people abusing the system e.g. letting their obviously under 18 children ride them or riding two up. Oh yes, and they do have a bell. On yours it was the orange band on the left handlebar. I found it quite difficult to operate the indicators or the left brake with accidentally triggering it.
@@se-kmg355 Just like the car that passed by him closely, then the scooter catches up at the lights and gets ahead. What did the car gain? Absolutely nothing.
What he said is right just don't make an issue of it if you're on a bike(he trigged this situation to show you what car drivers do) , I have watched so many UA-cam videos of cyclists and then self entitled I'm going to take up the whole Road just because i can legally can and it actually doesn't give them any benefit apart from aggravates Road uses and possibly endangering them self's from retaliation I have been a cyclist for over 10 years and i rarely come across problems because I don't become the object of the other drivers problem (unless I really have to)
Very informative. I haven't tried a scooter yet, but anything that gets people out of their cars for short journeys is a step in the ride direction. It's a pity that SOME motorists think they have priority over smaller more vulnerable road users. Maybe I should come up to Liverpool and we can do a video on cycling on the roads? 😀
I think every driver, as part of their training, before they get their licence, should have to spend a few weeks (20 or 30 hours at least) riding a motorbike or bicycle on the road, just to know how vulnerable these other legitimate road users can be and how dangerous their experiences are... We have these in Australia, and they are a hazard... too slow for the road, too fast for the bike paths, too easy for inexperienced people to get on them (8 & 10 year old kids riding them) and too annoying when people leave them on bike paths (the sport is to ride past and kick them over - they start making some robot talking noise!), too dangerous because they are intrinsically unstable (short wheel base, high centre of gravity), the wheels are too small for the speed and surfaces they are ridden at & on... and have no warning device... just like a cyclist, cage drivers never hear you with their windows and radio up..., plus you can't, as you say, give clear hand signals like a bike... Welcome to the experience of EVERY cyclist who has ever ridden on the road - busy ones or side streets... it's always 2 or 3 tonnes vs. 100 kgs... can't defeat the law of physics... not even in hospital... It's worse on these scooters, because you are basically an adult riding a toy in the wrong environment...
Most people are to scared to ride a motorcycle on the road. And in my view bicycles are even more dangerous. Been riding motorcycles 25 years and bicycles 37 years. Also drove HGV but Don't have a licence. Drove a Ford transit jumbo (taller than a single deck bus and over 20ft long) I really look out for vulnerable road users.
@@chrisredfield3240 Exactly why they should have the bejeezus scared out of them at licence time so organically, the driving population gets so much better at appreciating the vulnerable legitimate users of the road... which in turn would make it more appealing to be a bike rider on the roads,,, it would change the whole culture of the roads in just a few years...
No she went because there was actual road traffic being held up by a scooter trying to prove a point..... she wasn't being an arse... its hard enough and well known fact its hard to see motorcycles on sunny days with their head lights on and the noise they make...... Silent tiny headlightless scooters.....yeah seems like a great idea.
@@molamh853 It's a British fallacy that southern European drivers are reckless and murderous. As a non driver, I have experience of the UK as a cyclist, and more recently, Spain as an e-scooterist... No question as to where I feel/felt safer. Cycle lanes are much more common, and when there isn't one, a minimum of 2 mtrs must be maintained during a passing manoeuvre. Speed limits in all urban areas are 20kph, making it easier to keep up with traffic for both bikes and scooters
so is getting struck by lightening, something falling from a window when your walking or getting punched once at a bar, there are numerous of ways of fatality as morbid as that may sound. You cant be in bubble wrap.
@@gjaxx I think European drivers respect two-wheeled road users much more because most of them allow you to ride a moped from 14. So almost everyone has ridden one and/or have children riding one. Cycling as a sport has a mass following there and so cycling is very much a 'normal thing'. I much prefer riding my motorcycle in Europe than in the UK.
First off... 20kph is about safety, both for car occupants and pedestrians. There's a huge drop off in fatalities at slower speeds. Pollution increases at higher speeds because of incidental effects like acceleration, deceleration and braking to reach and reduce higher speeds... especially when you're racing to get to your next set of traffic lights... and here's the kicker... did you know that average speeds in major cities and large towns are about 7 or 8 mph?... So maybe you would be better off walking... or get yourself an escooter?
I really appreciate you stating the facts about the experience of cyclists on the road. It's starting to change slowly, but there's so much ignorance from motorists that they actually interpret safe cycling (or scooter riding) as an invitation to drive dangerously like this lady you encountered.
that encounter with the lady, my every day bike ride. even worse. the road i cycle every day has 2 lanes, one always blocked by parking cars. i purposefully ride in the middle of the free lane since the road surface is in pretty bad condition, even worse in the gutter. lights on or not during daylight, too many times to count people drive directly towards me, some only stopping directly with their bumper on my front wheel, once they realize i wont jump into the gutter. what makes my day is getting cursed at for driving irresponsibly
As a driver of an older car driver living near London I have the same issue with Chelsea tractors, crossovers and 'prestige' marques. Priority *does not* depend on the size or value of your car. And as for cyclists, my default is to always give priority. They're less well protected & unlike me doing their bit for the environment so should be encouraged.
We have them in my city from Lime, they operate very similarly but fortunately we have a network of cycle paths separate from the road which help. A great balanced video.
11:54 Here is something to think about: When cars are parked on both sides of the street, why does the scooter/bicylce not get priority over a car IF it stays on its side of the road? In other words: When two scooters/bicycles are able to pass each other without problem and it is the width of the car that causes issues why does the vehicle that doesn't need to switch sides have to wait at all? (Here in germany it is actually rules in this way)
Technically this is the case, only the car (or larger) has to enter the oncoming lane and block oncoming traffic. Its pretty hard to enforce though as the bicycle or motorcycle effectively blocks the oncoming lane as only another bike is small enough to share the space.
I live in the Denver, Colorado. I recently bought an eScooter myself to ride into the office when I'm not working from home. I would have preferred an eBike, but I don't trust locking it up while I'm working. With the eScooter I can literally charge it at my desk while I work.
My experience as a car driver: When I overtake bikes, admittedly I often choose a 'borderline' safe location,. What allarms me is that the driver behind will then choose an even more dangerous location.
Many times I've waited for a safe location to pass then either get overtaken before I can pass the cyclist (I'll then overtake that car when safe cos I'm silly like that), otherwise when I do pass giving ample room, I'll see the car behind pass so close. Only sometimes do they follow my example.
I live in West Yorkshire, use an electric scooter to get to and from work and honestly it’s great. Gets me there quickly. Only downside is other road users not giving way, so most of the time I’m on the pavement
@@therealyoda6172 It's illegal to ride a non-trial-scheme e-scooter in any public place in England, be it road, footpath or cycle path, or anywhere else that might seem to the uninformed or intentionally criminal to be a good idea. It's an unregistered motor vehicle that would be treated as a moped except it doesn't comply with existing safety legislation.
Yea…it’s so stressful riding a bike because you have to be 100% ready to stop every damn time there is another vehicle on the road. It’s absolutely tedious because we don’t have a designated space on the road, we don’t have another option. Great video x
Ashley Neal welcome to the cyclists' world. Imagine putting up with that every day when you're cycling. I can tell you it wears very thin after a while. The female driver saying she could have knocked you off the scooter, WOW and then telling you're on the wrong side of the road. Oh please!! You were where you should have been. All I can say is; I was glad that you had the sense to have your camera on! Even on a scooter I would have had three cameras rolling!
Hi Ashley. About the bell/horn. The red part on the left of the handel bar should be your bell. If you twist it it should ring. where i liive they are the same gray/black color as the handels so it took a while to figure out. So its nice to see that they made it a diffrent color in the UK.
Electric scooters excel at rush hour when cars never get too fast, you can filter most easily on a scooter (easier than on a bike) so you're ahead of the exhaust pipes quickest, and the lack of effort means you don't get to heavily breathe all the fumes.
9:06 Unless I was planning on turning left I would not have bothered filtering there. The road ahead is single lane so that line of cars will just be trying to get past you again. In my experience as a cyclist, when cars keep having to pass the same cyclist/scooter, they are more likely to start taking risks. The Range Rover had already demonstrated that it won't give you space.
On the one hand that's what winds them up when they're stuck in traffic, but on the other hand that's what winds them up ... and of course they don't think for one moment that it's too many single occupant cars that's the problem, not too many single-track vehicles.
Excellent video. Strikes me the biggest hazard for E-Scooter riders is the condition of the road surface, though the close pass and the oncoming Vauxhall weren't too pleasant.
I wish cyclists would take up a dominant position more (though I can see why many are leery to do so) - while driving my truck I came much closer to a family out cycling than I was comfortable with because they'd tucked themselves all the way to the left on a bend (high hedge rows) reducing how far back they were visible. Additionally aside from the mum who had a white top they all had drab colour clothing and nothing of high visibility on the bikes - if it hadn't been for the mum at the back having a bright top on I might not have noticed them as quickly - high vis can make such a difference.
@@Rroff2 indeed. But it takes a lot of experience and thought to get the balance right. Most people will not develop that judgement if they only cycle very occasionally.
13:24 This happens to me a lot when I'm on my scooter (or moped, not sure which one is correct in English) and it's really annoying sometimes. Just because you're driving a bigger vehicle doesn't mean you own the road and can just bully me into driving too close for comfort to whatever obstacle is to my side. They don't seem to understand that you're still driving a motorised vehicle, they seem to think everything smaller than a car is the same as a bicycle... Which is still funny because cyclists are still road users and should still be treated as such.
One thing to note, at 9:38 you can see the red ring looking thing next to your left hand, that's the bell, you twist it to ring it. Took me a while to find on ours over here in Germany but it's good to know it's there! And yeah, prople take your priority, happens here in Germany too with bikes and scooters alike (but not too often in my experience having delivered pizza by bike in a medium-sized city), you learn to predict it and deal with it. Would be good if people driving cars (many of whom also drive bikes and scooters, although they're usually good at giving way!) would have more awareness, but it doesn't look like many people in power have much of an idea how to even start with that, at least until a collision happens anyway.
You are in a special position of having the ability to teach your students how to treat vulnerable road users. And I know you do that 👍🏻 I was cycling yesterday not bothering anyone pretty empty rural road with a closed shared path on my left and I got a face full of washer fluid from one car. Had to call hubby to bring water and eye wash as my eyes were stinging. Just an awful thing to do to someone. Eyes are still sore today. Is that an offence do you know?
That is, if you record your rides then submit it to the police, depending on your police force they might send them a warning letter. I pretty much always wear glasses when out riding to keep flies and dirt out of my eyes, although a few times I've been sprayed too, although I find it helps to cool me down.
@@1ninjatiger You might want to send it to the police before uploading just in case. WMP allow you to upload footage to their site directly, I've only done it once, for an illegal turn that crosses a bike lane but there might be a rule or something that the police don't want your footage online before they've been able to process it.
I have a lot of questions on these E scooters, firstly, why can you rent one yet if you buy your own it's illegal to use ? A provisional licence is required yet I constantly see kids riding them, usually 2 up, I see them left everywhere, a lot just dropped on their side, I'd like to know whose liable should one fall over onto a child? I see these being ridden in and out of pedestrians near Albert Dock and it's only a matter of time before someone is injured. probably all looked great on paper as did the planning scetches for The Strand in Liverpool or the cycle track down the dock Road, but in reality none of them make any sense.
The issue is with who is using them, not the overall concept, I think they are a good idea for businessmen, etc who want to reduce their reliance on a car, reduces traffic, noise and pollution, I do wonder why owning one is illegal though as an owner would be less inclined to act like an idiot, maybe, seeing some drivers.. However an accident with a scooter is less severe than a car, if they were owned privately they wouldn't be left everywhere, I saw pictures of hire bikes in big piles in China, without people going out constantly to return them to hubs it doesn't work, unless you have a lot of them, especially as being able to ride to work is kinda the point.
Two words you said "work together" best advice. I use a personal skoot for work early doors 4am to 8am so I'm back safe. Give way to cars an pedestrians, walk it when busy an skoot away when you can. Good vid for novices mate. Nice one.
It's difficult to say exactly how far you were over and it is a balance between giving yourself space for safety (potholes, opening doors etc.) and not taking so much up unnecessarily. Then there's the general attitude to people especially on scooters which most people probably think are illegal and don't know about the hire schemes. On my (legal) electric bike I also experience people that don't realise how fast I can accelerate so they nip out expecting to be out of my way by the time I get there but they aren't.
Hi Ashley, I would like to point out that the Voi E-scooters do actually have a bell. The bell is activated by twisting that red bit on the left side of the handlebars (the bit that looks like it might be a grip or some kind of throttle). In my experience this bell is better than a standard bicycle bell as its easy to find and operate in a pinch, but a downside is the fact that it's harder to initially discover.
In Norway, these scooters have caused massive issues. We're now debating to ban these things outright, as people are hurting themselves or others whilst riding them, usually whilst drunk.
@@Jasontvnd9 That's been illegal from the get-go, as they've always fallen under the definition of a "motor vehicle". Doesn't seem to stop people from seriously hurting others.
@@Jasontvnd9 Of course.. It's difficult to enforce. Everyone who gets caught or reported breaking the law, are being ticketed, or in the most serious offenses, being sent to jail. The problem is that when you have hundreds, if not thousands of these scooters in a city, and a lot of them are being used irresponsibly and possibly illegally, it is unlikely that the police will be there to witness every crime. Yes, those who actually end up hurting others or who otherwise are reported to the police, get handled by the criminal system, but there is no way to realistically expect the police to be able to see even the majority of the incidents, when there are so many cases.
Well the fact of the matter is that the problem is that it is Legal to drive them when drunk. Just like it is illegal to use a normal bike when you are drunk here. It is honestly so fucking stupid that they have gone out of their way to make it legal to drive when drunk and then they complain about drunk people hurting themselves.
"I could have knocked you off"
So she knew that and just kept going anyway??????
Driver self importance at it’s finest.
I would like to have heard the conversation continue.
'I'm literally a driving instructor...'
@@grahvis All the road rage incidents I've had have been with women. Once at a merge in turn some woman decided to fold my wing mirror in for me because "you should wait like everyone else" lol
:D
@@MrSapps You’ve obviously been unlucky as all polls show men are more likely to ‘rage’ behind the wheel 😂 I have to confess I sometimes rant at other drivers. I don’t mind genuine errors or minor indiscretions..but drivers using the wrong lane to get to the front and cut people up and drivers weaving from lane to lane to try and gain one place really piss me off. It’s usually men I see but Ive had my fair share of women when cycling. All just annoying people to be honest.
I'd like the part where she drove off because she knew she was wrong.
I know there were no white line markings on that road but you were not over the center of the seam that indicates the center of that road, she however had her offside wheels over the seam and there fore in the event of a collision she would have been considered to be at fault. That said its no use arguing that you were in the right from a hospital bed is it. A greater degree of discretion could or should have ben used by the rider of the e scooter. I know that you did this on purpose to indicate perhaps a problem but am sure that under normal circumstances you would have given way as anyone with an ounce of common sense would do the same. She was in the wrong but then you still don't have the right of way and neither does she.
Nah, she thought she was in the right. Just couldn't be bothered to continue to argue.
@@judgedredd49 I hear that argument a lot, and of course it makes sense - there's no point forcing the issue if you end up injured or worse. But i hate how the result is drivers continue to wrongly understand the road rules, bully other road users with their car, and in fact vulnerable road users surrender their rights to use the road safely. Might is right is wrong.
As i said, from a self preservation perspective it is correct. But as a society we need to change that attitude.
@@judgedredd49 Have you ever given way to a more vulnerable road user because its safer for them? Sounds like you expect them to give way because THEY are more likely to be injured, it needs to be the other way around. I bet she doesn't drive at horses like that.
She was like "Shit that's Ashley, I'm outta here for being wrong and I'll probably end up on YT"
I thought you were gonna say, "Do you know who i am? I'm Ronnie Pickering! ", that would've been a golden moment.
😂☝️
Would have been funnier still if it had been Ronnie Pickering instead of the woman.
You have discovered what anyone who rides a bicycle experiences. Dangerous drivers who lack imagination about how dangerous their behaviour is and who are also often ignorant of the rules of the road. They make up their own rules to justify their anger which is usually just because they are frustrated about traffic and queues and annoyed that someone on a bike isn't stuck in it.
A cyclist coming out with such comments is hilarious. Show me a cyclist that stops at traffic lights or junctions and I`ll show you a unicorn.
@@thechillpill3233 quite a lot of cyclists do that lol, it’s not like there aren’t a multitude of drivers who don’t go on their phones, or go through red lights, or just don’t know how to drive in general
@@fuckfrancisco
If cycling while texting was an Olympic sport, Britain would be assured of a gold medal 🏅🤣😂
@@thechillpill3233 hmmmm, ive personally never seen anyone cycle and text haha.
@@thechillpill3233 you will run out of unicorns, there are plenty.
14:02 Of all the scooter riders to argue road rules with, this lady picked Ashley Neal 🤦♂️
The fact he talked to her like she was a learner as well makes it oh so much sweeter
was not much of a discussion
I did find it kinda funny how he mentioned the priority thing after criticising dash cam channels for it.
But I do understand he kept himself and everybody else safe which is the key difference.
Aint no "lady"
Ashley could of bust out the "Do you know who I am and what I do" and I would of bust out laughing and he would be right!! LOL
Here in Spain, e-scooters are now part of the scenery. Mine is more powerful than the little machines legally available in the UK, but is limited to 25kph by law, though this can be overridden by the onboard computer to the actual top speed of 45kph. I live in a small town with very limited public transport options, so It really is a game changer for me as I don't drive... and at 68, it's waaay more fun than someone my age should be entitled to, and an absolute joy in the warmth and sunshine
In my country they limited electric scooters to 15kmh/h during nights 🤔not sure if they sticked with it.
70 here...L0ove the scooter more then the Car...Be careful out there my friend
@@fatlu1378 too late 😁
Had a tumble last year and broke my ankle and wrist when I grazed a bike lane divider
I started at that age too. Around here all ages use them. I use it instead of a mobility scooter 🛵
In Benidorm a month ago and they were everywhere as well as e bikes and normal cycles with what appeared to he no problems fitting into their environment at all. Well done Spain. Our U.K. government is a waste of space, takes them forever to decide to make no decision.
As a cyclist. This is my life every single day.
I feel you mate, nice to have some positive representation from time to time like this.
That's what you get for cycling though.
@@lurkio804 lol your pathetic
@@lurkio804 What an utterly moronic thing to say. Sums your attitude up on the road no doubt.
Not just cyclists the same happens to motorbikes
Imagine walking 20 minutes to one and then someone else gets there 2 minutes before you !
Where I am you can book them
@@jpfootballhd In places you can't book them; unlocking them before you get there almost guarantees someone else will hop on for a free ride. Voi need to enable prebooking in all slightly rural areas.
That last situation is par for the course. Welcome to the world of two wheels. Even on a big adventure motorcycle if you take up an early position, just as you did, the 4x4 etc. will just force their way through expecting you to take to the gutter. I always tell riders I take out to position early, make it clear what your intentions are, but at the end of the day don't turn it into a game of chicken and you may have to yield, even if it is technically your priority.
Very true!
Someone the other day on my faired CBF600 expected me to hop up a kerb out the way like a bicycle, because they tried to force their way around a parked car. It was downhill for me and I couldn't go backwards, so I was stuck there until they got it into their head they would have to move.
In hindsight I could have seen it happening, and avoided it, but I was following a car, and they were stopped behind the parked car to let the car in front past.
@@ashley_neal Am I wrong in assuming driving instructors have some powers they can use in certain situations where they can revoke a license or something along those lines? Don't ask where I heard this from as it was many years ago.
100% I see it all the time here on the Isle of Wight.
@@PeterMaddison2483 I've never heard of this.
'wrong side of the road' - If there were white lines painted down the middle of the road where would she and her vehicle be in relation to those white lines? She'd have crossed them wouldn't she?
People: "You should cycle. It's great for your health."
Me, after getting a belt of a van while cycling: "Yeah. I feel really healthy now."
Cycled to work for 25 years, 34 miles per day, 5 days a week and generally raced and cycled all my life. Yes I fell off a couple of times. Still cycling at 65, I do not know of anybody fitter at my age. I am slim, no arthosclerosis tested by carotid artery ultrasound scan, no arthritis, take no prescription drugs and have no comorbitities whatsoever. Just enjoying a healthy later life thanks mainly to aeroboic exercise and a healthy lifestyle.
@@stevezodiac491 Oh it's undoubtedly fantastic for your health. It's also great for the environment and cheaper than almost any other firm of transport other than walking. But city planners or the politicians that employ them don't seem to give the slightest toss about providing the infrastructure to make cycling a safe way to travel. I always get so jealous of the Dutch and how they just make infrastructure just work safely and efficiently.
Just a heads up, they do have bells. It's not immediately obvious but that red dial on the left handlebar rotates and sounds a bell.
Using the voice is a brilliant improvisation though, especially the quintessentially English "Hoi" . I was a great fan of "Oi!" music when I was younger. Thers no mistaking impending danger when someone shouts "Hoi!".
I normally shout out BEEEEEEP
I find a shout of "Heads Up!" does the job nicely and few people take offence. (Yes people have got upset with me shouting "Oi!".
"You're a smaller vehicle, you can get out of my way"
Exact reasons why I hate big suv drivers.
I gave up using 2 wheels a long time ago and have absolutely no intention of going back.
@14:00 the irony of trying to pick an argument with Ashley almost made me chuckle. Obvious what went on here..... and she was not prepared to be educated.
Excellent upload as always.
Stay safe everyone 👍
This was an outstanding video and the first I've seen from Ashley. What I thought was great was his calmness in the scenarios. Scooters are becoming a problem where I live as we're not in a pilot area but have a number of people using them on the roads and the pavements. As a regular cyclist it is the same problems of sharing the road but with a bit of patience and understanding we can all get on and the majority of times everything is good, we just remember the close calls.
" Scooters are becoming a problem where I live"
In what way are they a problem to you or others?
thats why people need to not rideshare these cheap scooters, and buy a hyperscooter for more power so you can ride it in the streets instead of sidewalk
Thank you for making this. I’m a car driver, motorcyclist and cyclist. On two wheels I always ensure I take the primary position and hold up the vehicle’s behind, forcing them to overtake in a proper gap and also increase my visibility to oncoming traffic. Yes you got held up for 50 seconds, we all make our way to our destination.
I recently returned to the road after a 12month absence (because of a medical issue) your videos have been invaluable to me in terms of overcoming my anxiety about driving again. The one thing I have noticed is how many people drive REALLY badly and clearly do not understand basic rules of the road. In the past, I was probably one of those people but no longer. I have taken to reviewing my dashcam footage and comparing my driving to the stuff you teach which has benefited me enormously, so thank you very much!
Good to hear you're back on the roads, I'm guessing your health issue must be managed or better! Stay safe and if you get any good dash footage send it in! Take care and drive safe :)
For a brief second when Ashley said, "Do you know who ..." I thought he was going to say, "Do you know who I am?!" 🤣 I wonder if by some small miracle she sees this video, how she'd reflect on the interaction.
People should see themselves reacting to things more often only then would they learn that they are responsible for THERE actions and the consequences that come of that
Ashley speaks sooo slooowly, you can add a multitude of endings to his sentences before he finishes it himself 🤣
Only Ronnie Pickering says that.
@@pussinboots1145 Who? :-)
@@maxusboostus :)
They're available in my town too, so I tried one recently. My thoughts are that scooters are a good solution to short trips, but their small wheels are a bit of a liability on our bumpy potholed roads. I think, for roughly the same money, a folding electric bike is safer, mainly because of the bigger wheels. But thanks for sharing this - your video was a good representation of what it is like to ride a scooter.
Bike or Scooter wheels need to be at least 20 Inch in diameter ...just a small Pothole will have you off when smaller wheels are used.
@@cerealtiller As soon as e-scooters are legal in the UK, I’m going to be building one with 20” wheels.
They are nasty things from an engineering and stability point of view. A LOT could be done to make the design safer, more stable and better able to handle real world road conditions...but the things would cost a lot more. That would make them less attractive
@@joules531 it’s a green light now mate
That's my experience as well. A poorly maintained road is a horrible experience on an e-scooter.
That whole video was terrifying! Those scooters look perfect for speeding between the estates in Milton Keynes using the redways but don't look at all suitable for main road use.
Hitting a pothole at speed on one of these could throw you over the handlebars and potentially prove fatal. The small wheels are the problem.
The potholes on the roads around me are a problem for my 700x35 tyres!
Indeed
@@GilesWendes Git gud.
@@GilesWendes There's a section of road between me and town that badly needs resurfacing. The rest of that road has been done already over the past few years, just this winter the cracks really opened up on that final section.
We have so many potholes here.
That lady's attitude is really terrifying but i'm under no illusion that it's an isolated case. Seems to be a case of the unwritten road hierarchy where bigger car = more priority. Very scary knowing that people on two wheels put their lives in other people's hands who don't realize the responsibility they have behind the wheel.
Isolated it is not. This is what cyclists deal with daily.
That is what it is like here bmw x3 x5 etc them sort of suvs literally cut through red lights at road works just ignoring the queues.
I agree with you but the actual cause of the encounter is that she has just came across a situation for the first time and made a mistake, the next time may well be different.
Personally I would prefer to not have them on the road or pavement, they are a joke to help eliminate cars altogether !
@@OldSonyMan what? Why? Bikes are on the road , mopeds to. The scooter is just a mix of them both. They have indicators .
@@damedusa5107 Who invented the e-scooter, Who is promoting them and who is financing them ?
Innocent questions but important all the same to understand what is actually going on !
They are part of the solution to too many cars and should be judged in that light !
Great video. Happy you stood up to the car driver and good to see someone using the scooters properly
I bought one to drive to work a while back but I have been almost driven over, shouted at, slapped through the window, and ridiculed so many times I'm about to give up. Even though I had some policemen telling me I'm in the right, it doesn't make me feel any better when cars scrape by me and insulting me every time. I'd rather go against traffic regulations and drive on the pavements or sidewalks than using the road.
Don't drive on the pavement (sidewalk). That will just anger the walking road users (pedestrians). Entitlement (to the road) is a hard condition to fix.
I thought privately owned e-scooters are illegal on the road?
A bit strange that policemen have been telling you that you are in the right when you are breaking the law?
@@32shumble That is not the case in germany. When you have an approved for road-use e-scooter and registered it with your insurance you can use a privately owned e-scooter on the road. There are some limitation of course, for example max speed 20km/h, but otherwise no, you are not breaking the law over here.
Just wait until 2030 when the government forces everyone out of their petrol and diesel powered vehicles. Most people won't be able to afford electric cars, so they'll end up walking, cycling or riding e-scooters. The roads will be a much calmer, safer place.
@@plottwist1733 I fucking hope so
I love the bit where you said “but did you see me?”
“Yes”
At that point she realised her argument failed
🤣
But he could see her also and chose to position himself further out to force his priority rather than sensibly just pulling to the left slightly....just heard him saying he realises he created this unecessarily so fair play for him realising that at least for next time...
@@mrturnbull9504 she should have stopped.
@@mrturnbull9504 he did not create it unnecessarily, he needed enough space to ensure a car door opening didn’t knock him off, and the other car just decided he didn’t deserve any space because he was not a car. It’s poor if you think what she did was acceptable or that he was in the wrong.
@@rainbowevil spot on
14:02 - This annoys the hell out of me when I'm on my bike. People think "I'm bigger, I can barge through". She picked the wrong guy to argue with.
"I'm bigger, I can barge through" unfortunately applies a lot. i have had many cases of lorries turning to the main road from side road right in front of traffic, if anyone dares to press the horn a little, so do they because they are bigger and have all the right in the world.
One time I didn’t barge through on my right of way, because the traffic a head of me was building up to a stop, so I gestured for the other drivers to go through instead of blocking the road. I got a right mouthful from the man in his car saying “wow, you women need to read the Highway Code” I asked him to look at what I saw and said “ maybe you need to use your mirrors” he drove off with a sour look on his face, but I was pleased as punch 😌
Had this as a cyclist on many occasions driving down an industrial road where a hgv is parked on the oncoming side. Drivers see me in the middle of my lane to go past the hgv safely and still pull out seeing me coming
I’ve literally had people saying this to me, when I’m in my bike. Do we actually teach drivers this? Why do so many drivers actually believe priority is defined by size? Seeing a vulnerable road user, why wouldn’t anyone act with more caution?
I hate 4x4 drivers as they think they are superior to you
Amazing video cheers for that . Now I've seen the experience you had I don't think I will dip my toe in one of those. Keep up the good work.
14:00 as a cyclist there was no need to fully obstruct the road. you could see there was no risk of doors opening from the parked car on the left and you should have just riden closer to the side. Theres loads of space for a car and a scooter to pass
That was my initial thought aswell, have to deal with a situation like that many times every day even on a tighter road and parked cars on both sides of road with no gaps. Don't see a problem why both of them could not of fit through there with ease. Neal borderline middle of the road... Only difference if he was in a car that only 1 could of fit through and woman would of gave way. She obiviosly saw there is space for both of them, if Neal moved to the left. Now not saying he did that on purpose, I would guess lack of confidence on the scooter is why he kept a gap that he did.
@@FiTZYrr Agree. Often have far tighter situation on rides especially small roads. Neal primarily drives so he would probably be thinking as a driver rather than a rider. Definitely takes a bit of confidence pulling close to cars or tight against the side of the road. Scooters aren’t the easiest to control either. But there was definitely a lot of space that could have been used
The guidance is that a car should give a cyclist the same space as they would a car. 1.5 meters from passing traffic, and .75 meters from the kirk/ parked cars. So no he should have taken a dominant position.
@@gerardmcmanus thats when cars are overtaking from behind. when you can see the car infront and they are going slow with less than 2 lanes it doesnt really apply. If people took the dominant position in every situation like this youll get a lot of angry drivers and a lot of conjestion.
Wide angle lenses can make things look further away. If you've seen what happens when a car door opens onto a cyclist then you'll always ride wide of car doors.
I'm a motorbike rider on L plates, and despite riding for over 3 years now, I still get the odd car who thinks because they're in a car and not on L plates the rules don't apply to them. So Ashley, get yourself on a scooter/moped and give us your opinions.
Been riding for over 51 years. It sure don't get any better.
Riding a 1200 touring motorbike and still get car drivers trying to force their way past when they don’t have right of way. It’s just people’s impatient attitudes nowadays, unfortunately.
The biggest problem on the roads in general is the number of people who think the rules don’t apply to them. People on e-scooters don’t even know that there’s any rules … and with these ad hoc trials around the country, there don’t appear to be any set rules, either.
why are you still on L plates after 3 years?
@@oddjobtriumph1635 Waste of money, I don't need anything more than a 125, plus I've only just turned 24 this year, so for me there was no point spending money on a restricted licence even if the test and in some cases the bike, being the same. If I was 24+ when I started, I would've gone DAS straight away.
"I could have knocked you off"......no, you could have waited for the more vulnerable road user (who had an earlier position to show their intent) to clear before moving out. It was interesting to see the drivers interpretation of priority.......or would she pull out on a bin wagon also and then lecture them that they could have killed her with their large vehicle. I suspect it boils down in most cases to an individual feeling they are more important or their journey is more important, rather than a vehicle size hierarchy.
They think that it is a case of “I have the power to change your life for worse, don’t get in my way and stay on the pavement. I am irresponsible and can easily run over that dinky scooter. The road is for me. Shove off.” When it should be “yes of course you can share the road with us cars, we just both need to be aware, sensible and careful.”
@@ds_e5202 It is always funny though when you confront these people outside their car though, suddenly they go all mouse.
To be honest, the scooters should used on the pavements. It’s a huge control from the government.
I love how she was saying you were riding on the wrong side of the road when there is literally a line down the middle of the road showing that you were in fact on the correct side of the road. Some people.
We really need a softness rule: The softer the object, the higher the priority ☺
We already have that rule ... duh!
This is the rule, the more "vulnerable" the higher the priority.
pedestrians > horse rider > cyclists > slow stuff > motorcyclists > big stuff > cars
@@PalladinPoker so we can allocate them points and create a video game “Death Race 2022”.
That's the rule already. We just need to educate the Karens In Vauxhalls that the ownership of a driving licence does not equate to entitlement.
@@horsenuts1831 Only it does. When you hit someone with your car you get a slap on the wrist. When you get 12 points for repeatedly driving like a pillock you just say you need it for your job and they let you off. Everything about driving reinforces the idea that its a right and that everyone else is of secondary concern to you being able to drive however you like.
The whole system of driving relies on the majority of people being decent enough to compensate for the utter pricks that are on our roads. If people didn't drive defensively they would probably be in about 5 crashes every time they hit the motorways.
Until driving becomes a privilege nothing will change. Getting your license seems to absolve you of having to drive with regard for others. Just look at any of the sentences for people who hurt others through their wilfully neglegent driving and you will know everything you need to about how we view dangerous driving.
She crossed partially into oncoming traffic and then told you you were on the wrong side of the road.
I would like to see a video of you riding a motorcycle on a more busy day. I think it would be a nice video
Driving my 125 to work round london can be a shit storm haha
@@scottking869 I ride a slightly bigger bike in NL and the issues mentioned by Ashley are relevant everywhere
@@Ilovetriumphbikes except escooter riders have generally not had the level of training required to ride a motorcycle. This leads them to underestimate the dangers and ride in a way that would make most motorcyclists cringe. Not only am I having to watch out for being drivers cutting me off while filtering I am now having to worry about 13 year olds on escooters pulling dangerous manoeuvres to filter or cross traffic. I know that Voi where I ride through in Bristol are checking ID but there must be a loophole as kids seem to be able to hire them freely somehow.
Blijo, nice to see you here man! I appreciate your modding
I am glad you looked for that issue to appear, as it educates the issues with other drivers, keep doing videos like that, as in plan things so we seee more issues with other drivers 👍
Really great video man. I'm digging the electric bikes and scooters more and more each day.
Welcome to the reality of cycling in Liverpool! I don't go anywhere near main roads anymore because my life isn't worth it. I hope the scooters enable more people to get a different experience of the road than driving a car. That range rover pass was an absolute classic, big car means they're more important.
It's quite controversial that you're allowed to go out and "hire" these scooters, and then you can ride them on the roads legally, but if you were to purchase an electric scooter or "electric wheel" or whatever, you're only allowed to use them on private property / private roads.
Because you would need to register them before you could use them. You can't use a kit car or imported car before they're registered either. The difference is that there's no registration process for e-scooters because they don't meet the current C&U and other regs for 'mechanically propelled vehicles'. Hence the need for the legislative changes to allow the trials.
@@BucksCycleCam England is built on draconian regulations anyway.
Typical - the government is allowed to but the end consumer isn't, the usual "one rule for one, a different rule for everyone else" sort of thing.
@@GaffaTV So you'd rather there were no regulations on motor vehicles?
@@BucksCycleCam sigh... that's not what I'm alluding to, at all.
It's really simple... the government can do it, but we can't. That's it.
@@GaffaTV The government can do what? Ride scooters? Make laws? What are you saying?
Excellent video, have seen a few of these scooters around my town, great insight into future road users.
Being the “weakest” vehicle, I may have waited for the Vauxhall too, knowing how many drivers behave.
That said, you were not in the wrong and she gave away the twat in her when she started talking.
Nice tour - thanks. 👍🏼😊
I've had some experience of these in Southampton (where the trial started back in March) riding from Central Station to about 20 minutes North into the suburbs, and while the people there seem slightly better at parking them in (or close to) designated bays, the actual scooters themselves are quite unstable and bumpy to be going at the speeds they're capable of. I do see people riding them a lot, though, so they seem popular there. Edit: the scooters do have a bell; it's the orange circular section where the left handlebar meets the central piece.
aren't there ones by the Sainsbury's near oasis academy and fair isle primary school
Great video. What I have learnt from my limited experience on a motorbike is it does not matter who is right or wrong, the aim is to stay safe and to walk/live another day.
Great video, I love your approach to learning. Subscribed.
Great video mate, very enlightening! Thanks.
The issue with e-scooters at the moment, is that you rarely see people using them on the road, I think every time I've seen someone they have been on the pavement or in some cases cycle lanes. This is clearly a large safety issue since going 15mph on the pavement is very dangerous to everyone, it also doesn't help that they are near silent, so pedestrians stepping out into the path of one is hard to avoid.
Ideally what we need for e-scooters to become viable for everyone, is to have wider lanes for the likes to bicycles, roller-skates and small electronic vehicles (like e-scooters & e-skateboards). This would segregate traffic at walking/jogging speed (
Spot on, that's the trouble in this country, there's nowhere to put a cycle lane without narrowing the road, head to France or Germany where cycle lanes have figured for a very long time and work well. I'd agree on normal size bicycles being better, bigger wheels give much better stability and bigger wheels also handle bad surfaces better, I see these scooters being ridden by lots of underage people, many 2 up, when on the pavement they're a danger and on the road they tend to swerve around grids and bumps with no thought for what's behind them.
The e-scooter isn't the problem - its the riders that cause the issues
@@ProzYYnc That's what normal bikes can do as well. No need to race to work and arriving dripping sweat. That's your choice. If you want to go faster without sweating there are e-bikes. I'm not a doctor, but if you can't cycle on an e-bike because you're out of breath all the time you might have to go and see one. Even my dad who has had lung problems all his life and smoked for 40 years can go at 10mph on an e-bike without much effort.
@@ProzYYnc They are a great alternative to single-occupant cars doing short journeys. However I believe bicycles (including assisted ones) are a better alternative. Just more benefits from bikes, mostly regarding safety as well as wellbeing. I just think more effort should be made into making on-demand cycle hire schemes more accessible and widespread rather than dividing the market.
@@woutervanr I second your point. The cyclists in Amsterdam are not worried about needing a shower by the time they get to work.
You are I think the first rider of one of these machines who I've seen stop at a red light....
"Do you know who has priority though?"
**Answers different question**
Driving is a life long skill, as new types of vehicles share the road and rules change, we all need to adapt and learn. I really believe that everyone should have to retake their driving test every 5 years. The concept of the scooters is good, but there does seem to be a link to anti social behaviour that needs to be addressed and educated for all road user.
Exactly. As a cyclist I get people trying to push me off the road, often drivers who are on the phone at the same time. It's constant. Getting three cameras for my bike and I will be reporting every driver who passes dangerously or is on their phone. That's the only thing we have to fight back against car drivers killing us.
Not saying you're lying, but it's not like cyclists are completely innocent. They seem to think the rules of the road don't apply to them
@@rory90FiVe I know. I drive cars and ride motorcycles too. Cars are the ones that kill.
Cycling home today I got the middle finger from a woman on her phone with kids out of seatbelts leaning into the front. Literally enough points to ban just for that.
@@rory90FiVe I would look as people as individuals and not as part of a group. Give Giles the benefit of doubt.
@@rory90FiVe Whataboutism not only isn't a counter argument but in cars vs bikes you cannot possibly think either that bikes are more dangerous or that cars don't break the rules. TfL data over 10 years showed 71% of people hit and killed/seriously injured by a road user jumping lights were hit by a car, bikes I think were 4 or 7%. Bikes are involved in fatal collisions with pedestrians about 2 every 3 years, cars kill 500+ a year before you even look at people who are killed on the roads. Watch any dash cam channel and you'll see cars jumping lights, going the wrong way down the road, speeding, on phones etc. Watch any police clips show and see the number who drive dangerously to get away from police or drive drunk. Bikes are not the problem on the roads.
Also, it's very rarely cyclists that cause the problem, it's the Random on Bike / Kid on Bike that are the problem - these are not cyclists!
So you payed for a day pass before you could verify your id/ diving licence with the app? Seems like they've mixed the order up a little bit.
"😉 Thanks for the money, unfortunately you did not provide ID" ... probably find somewhere is non refundable if you are unable to provide ID.
They are prioritising growth over adherence to rules. Typical "tech company" behaviour these days
That’s a good and frankly alarming point you bring up there.
It’s probably because the driving license rule leads people to abandon the app. By making people invested in it with cash they probably get far higher completion of sign up
I have an old-style (non-photographic) driving licence. Voi tells me that is not good enough so I'll not be going for a spin on one of heir scooters.
Great insight before my trip to Liverpool next week thank you 👍👍
That was good video ..i like the way put this together ..it just simple honest moment to moment experience with scooter .....Kudos
Thanks Ashley, this is an excellent review of scooters especially going forward if they are legislated correctly, fully agree that the experience is same for cycling as with the car oncoming and to share the road equally. Agree driver needed to review her highway code but a shame you couldn't make example. Great review all same
"Cars overule..."
Yeah not even remotely surprised at that. If you look at the road, you can see a line down the middle that you're not even over so her argument if you want to even call it that was entirely invalid. Classic car driver mentality, go for the headon, drive into conflict then come up with any reason as to why you're somehow in the right. "I'm driving so YOU on the bike/scooter/driving the bus/truck/learner give me way."
Its actually her who's technically on the wrong side of the road. She goes over the aforementioned line.
And exactly what cyclists have to deal with every single day. "I'm bigger and you can squeeze through so I have priority."
People forget that all vehicles have equal rights on the road, and cars are extremely fast and heavy and can easily kill vulnerable road users, yet people still treat them like they’re an obstacle
@@ala0284 The problem is that once they have their licence, many motorists tend to believe they have a god-given right to use the road without hindrance to their progress. They forget that they have been licensed to drive a motor vehicle, and that licence is revokable. This isn't helped by the paltry (and sometimes non-existent) consequences of driving otherwise than in accordance with that licence (8600 drivers on more than 12 points, with three having over 60).
@@grahvis I once had a 'lady' running wide turning left off a main road shout at me (I was in a car) for having the temerity to approach the give way line on my side, because "You're supposed to give way to people turning into a side road". Wrong in several ways.
An invalid argument from an invalid
You know what I really admire about your videos and presentation?...
"Did I go looking for that problem... I suppose I did..."
There's always going to be be people in that scenario that know that you will be the crumple zone, not them, so they expect you to yield. And... as you quite wisely said, "Don't go looking for that problem."
Great video, thanks for your e-scooter review :)
"Do you know who has priority here?"
*Shoot, I don't know what to answer, better take off*
😂
Great insight
Yes great insight he engineered that situation to make an otherwise boring video about a grown man riding round town on a scooter. At the beginning why didn't he make himself aware of indicators and horn ?
Great wideo
Nice to see you here
They had these in Lisbon last I was there, Lime I think the company is called. With their extensive cycling paths through the centre it made using these a breeze. No worrying about going on busy roads or clogging up the pavement. They were also super easy to find with the app and were mostly fully charged. If Britain had enough cycle lanes and drivers were a bit more considerate of other road users they would be a great idea, unfortunately I think most inner city drivers would despise the idea of someone else using the roads. Although saying that they can be dangerous if the scooter user was not obeying road rules, and unfortunately I don't think most user would.
Correct. Portugal has great cycle infrastructure. Britain dosent even have decent roads never mind, walking or cycling paths
Little tip to smooth out the ride: bend the knees and hips slightly, as if surfing, and steer with the feet, like a skateboard. I see a lot of people riding scooters passively with their leg joints locked. Active riding is much smoother, safer, and more comfortable.
Although your position was further out than necessary, as you were passing cars on a scooter, it would be so easy for someone to open their door onto you. The extra room could save a trip to the hospital.
I’ve used them a couple of times in Bristol. I would say my experience is similar to yours. In one case, I was approaching a side road on the left. The woman in the car waiting to pull out looked right at me. In fact, I’d say we made eye contact, but she still pulled out directly in front of me so that I had to brake. Fortunately, I was kins of expecting it, so there was never any real danger. Also quite a few drivers seemed to actively try to make my life difficult e.g. closing up gaps in queues so I couldn’t get across to position myself to turn right.
As for the driving license thing, I can confirm they only ask for it the first time you use an scooter. I’ve seen people abusing the system e.g. letting their obviously under 18 children ride them or riding two up.
Oh yes, and they do have a bell. On yours it was the orange band on the left handlebar. I found it quite difficult to operate the indicators or the left brake with accidentally triggering it.
"I'm a self entitled Karen, in a car. Get out me way"
In a rush to force her self ahead but time to stop and argue....logic at its best.
A Liverbird Karen, a Karenbird? 🤔
@@se-kmg355 Just like the car that passed by him closely, then the scooter catches up at the lights and gets ahead. What did the car gain? Absolutely nothing.
What he said is right just don't make an issue of it if you're on a bike(he trigged this situation to show you what car drivers do) , I have watched so many UA-cam videos of cyclists and then self entitled I'm going to take up the whole Road just because i can legally can and it actually doesn't give them any benefit apart from aggravates Road uses and possibly endangering them self's from retaliation
I have been a cyclist for over 10 years and i rarely come across problems because I don't become the object of the other drivers problem (unless I really have to)
@@leexgx She stopped to argue, not him.
Very informative. I haven't tried a scooter yet, but anything that gets people out of their cars for short journeys is a step in the ride direction. It's a pity that SOME motorists think they have priority over smaller more vulnerable road users. Maybe I should come up to Liverpool and we can do a video on cycling on the roads? 😀
I think every driver, as part of their training, before they get their licence, should have to spend a few weeks (20 or 30 hours at least) riding a motorbike or bicycle on the road, just to know how vulnerable these other legitimate road users can be and how dangerous their experiences are...
We have these in Australia, and they are a hazard... too slow for the road, too fast for the bike paths, too easy for inexperienced people to get on them (8 & 10 year old kids riding them) and too annoying when people leave them on bike paths (the sport is to ride past and kick them over - they start making some robot talking noise!), too dangerous because they are intrinsically unstable (short wheel base, high centre of gravity), the wheels are too small for the speed and surfaces they are ridden at & on... and have no warning device... just like a cyclist, cage drivers never hear you with their windows and radio up..., plus you can't, as you say, give clear hand signals like a bike...
Welcome to the experience of EVERY cyclist who has ever ridden on the road - busy ones or side streets... it's always 2 or 3 tonnes vs. 100 kgs... can't defeat the law of physics... not even in hospital...
It's worse on these scooters, because you are basically an adult riding a toy in the wrong environment...
They should also have to sit 2's up in an hgv so they can see why they need just as much slack as pedestrians
Lmao
Most people are to scared to ride a motorcycle on the road. And in my view bicycles are even more dangerous. Been riding motorcycles 25 years and bicycles 37 years. Also drove HGV but Don't have a licence. Drove a Ford transit jumbo (taller than a single deck bus and over 20ft long) I really look out for vulnerable road users.
@@chrisredfield3240 Exactly why they should have the bejeezus scared out of them at licence time so organically, the driving population gets so much better at appreciating the vulnerable legitimate users of the road... which in turn would make it more appealing to be a bike rider on the roads,,, it would change the whole culture of the roads in just a few years...
An accurate summary of why these thing are just plain Daft..thank you
14:02 love how she has to run away when questioned why she's wrong :)
No she went because there was actual road traffic being held up by a scooter trying to prove a point..... she wasn't being an arse... its hard enough and well known fact its hard to see motorcycles on sunny days with their head lights on and the noise they make......
Silent tiny headlightless scooters.....yeah seems like a great idea.
@@bobby6204 cool story bro
I am now very sure i will never ride one of those scooters, looks like a fast way to shorten my life.
I agree
@@molamh853 It's a British fallacy that southern European drivers are reckless and murderous. As a non driver, I have experience of the UK as a cyclist, and more recently, Spain as an e-scooterist... No question as to where I feel/felt safer. Cycle lanes are much more common, and when there isn't one, a minimum of 2 mtrs must be maintained during a passing manoeuvre. Speed limits in all urban areas are 20kph, making it easier to keep up with traffic for both bikes and scooters
so is getting struck by lightening, something falling from a window when your walking or getting punched once at a bar, there are numerous of ways of fatality as morbid as that may sound. You cant be in bubble wrap.
@@gjaxx I think European drivers respect two-wheeled road users much more because most of them allow you to ride a moped from 14. So almost everyone has ridden one and/or have children riding one. Cycling as a sport has a mass following there and so cycling is very much a 'normal thing'. I much prefer riding my motorcycle in Europe than in the UK.
First off... 20kph is about safety, both for car occupants and pedestrians. There's a huge drop off in fatalities at slower speeds. Pollution increases at higher speeds because of incidental effects like acceleration, deceleration and braking to reach and reduce higher speeds... especially when you're racing to get to your next set of traffic lights... and here's the kicker... did you know that average speeds in major cities and large towns are about 7 or 8 mph?... So maybe you would be better off walking... or get yourself an escooter?
I really appreciate you stating the facts about the experience of cyclists on the road. It's starting to change slowly, but there's so much ignorance from motorists that they actually interpret safe cycling (or scooter riding) as an invitation to drive dangerously like this lady you encountered.
that encounter with the lady, my every day bike ride. even worse. the road i cycle every day has 2 lanes, one always blocked by parking cars.
i purposefully ride in the middle of the free lane since the road surface is in pretty bad condition, even worse in the gutter.
lights on or not during daylight, too many times to count people drive directly towards me, some only stopping directly with their bumper on my front wheel, once they realize i wont jump into the gutter.
what makes my day is getting cursed at for driving irresponsibly
It's one rule for cars, and one rule for all the others.
Agree
I thought it was "no rules for me and all rules for the others"
It's one rule for cyclists, and one rule for all the others. Fixed that for you.
As a driver of an older car driver living near London I have the same issue with Chelsea tractors, crossovers and 'prestige' marques. Priority *does not* depend on the size or value of your car.
And as for cyclists, my default is to always give priority. They're less well protected & unlike me doing their bit for the environment so should be encouraged.
Thankyou @LoC I only wish more drivers understood your last sentence and drove with the same in mind.
that is stupid. Just follow the trafikk laws, and all goes much better. Always giving them priority, can also make accidents.
@@Gismo3333 Care to give an example of yielding priority by default causing an accident?
Really enjoyed your review, good job.
We have them in my city from Lime, they operate very similarly but fortunately we have a network of cycle paths separate from the road which help.
A great balanced video.
11:54 Here is something to think about:
When cars are parked on both sides of the street, why does the scooter/bicylce not get priority over a car IF it stays on its side of the road? In other words: When two scooters/bicycles are able to pass each other without problem and it is the width of the car that causes issues why does the vehicle that doesn't need to switch sides have to wait at all?
(Here in germany it is actually rules in this way)
this is how its supposed to be in england aswell. but everyone has forgotten. its also completely illegal to ride an e scooter on the road
@@therealyoda6172 it’s illegal to ride a private e-scooter, but not a hire scheme e-scooter.
Technically this is the case, only the car (or larger) has to enter the oncoming lane and block oncoming traffic. Its pretty hard to enforce though as the bicycle or motorcycle effectively blocks the oncoming lane as only another bike is small enough to share the space.
Very good honest review 💜
I live in the Denver, Colorado. I recently bought an eScooter myself to ride into the office when I'm not working from home. I would have preferred an eBike, but I don't trust locking it up while I'm working. With the eScooter I can literally charge it at my desk while I work.
My experience as a car driver: When I overtake bikes, admittedly I often choose a 'borderline' safe location,. What allarms me is that the driver behind will then choose an even more dangerous location.
Many times I've waited for a safe location to pass then either get overtaken before I can pass the cyclist (I'll then overtake that car when safe cos I'm silly like that), otherwise when I do pass giving ample room, I'll see the car behind pass so close. Only sometimes do they follow my example.
I live in West Yorkshire, use an electric scooter to get to and from work and honestly it’s great. Gets me there quickly. Only downside is other road users not giving way, so most of the time I’m on the pavement
You ride on the pavement? I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you... 😔
its illegal to be on the road.
@@therealyoda6172 It's illegal to ride a non-trial-scheme e-scooter in any public place in England, be it road, footpath or cycle path, or anywhere else that might seem to the uninformed or intentionally criminal to be a good idea. It's an unregistered motor vehicle that would be treated as a moped except it doesn't comply with existing safety legislation.
Yea…it’s so stressful riding a bike because you have to be 100% ready to stop every damn time there is another vehicle on the road. It’s absolutely tedious because we don’t have a designated space on the road, we don’t have another option. Great video x
Congratulations Ashley.
You've just passed your electric scooter test.
Enjoy your riding!
The Range Rover driver probably didn’t notice the lights let alone being on red!
Think the Range Rover suffers from "must pass cyclist at any cost"-syndrome.
Take leaf out of Neal’s book “there you go mate, you sit at the red lights a little longer’ 😎
Ashley Neal welcome to the cyclists' world. Imagine putting up with that every day when you're cycling. I can tell you it wears very thin after a while. The female driver saying she could have knocked you off the scooter, WOW and then telling you're on the wrong side of the road. Oh please!! You were where you should have been. All I can say is; I was glad that you had the sense to have your camera on! Even on a scooter I would have had three cameras rolling!
Hi Ashley. About the bell/horn. The red part on the left of the handel bar should be your bell. If you twist it it should ring. where i liive they are the same gray/black color as the handels so it took a while to figure out. So its nice to see that they made it a diffrent color in the UK.
Electric scooters excel at rush hour when cars never get too fast, you can filter most easily on a scooter (easier than on a bike) so you're ahead of the exhaust pipes quickest, and the lack of effort means you don't get to heavily breathe all the fumes.
Thank you, very interesting - would the scooter be safer with a handle bar mirror? Otherwise it seems like too much neck twisting to me.
9:06 Unless I was planning on turning left I would not have bothered filtering there. The road ahead is single lane so that line of cars will just be trying to get past you again. In my experience as a cyclist, when cars keep having to pass the same cyclist/scooter, they are more likely to start taking risks. The Range Rover had already demonstrated that it won't give you space.
On the one hand that's what winds them up when they're stuck in traffic, but on the other hand that's what winds them up ... and of course they don't think for one moment that it's too many single occupant cars that's the problem, not too many single-track vehicles.
I have used a electric scooter once in Gloucester and it was very scary at first but at the end I got the hang of it.
Excellent video. Strikes me the biggest hazard for E-Scooter riders is the condition of the road surface, though the close pass and the oncoming Vauxhall weren't too pleasant.
When at 5:22 you say "primary position" you're actually in secondary. Important not to confuse this!
I wish cyclists would take up a dominant position more (though I can see why many are leery to do so) - while driving my truck I came much closer to a family out cycling than I was comfortable with because they'd tucked themselves all the way to the left on a bend (high hedge rows) reducing how far back they were visible. Additionally aside from the mum who had a white top they all had drab colour clothing and nothing of high visibility on the bikes - if it hadn't been for the mum at the back having a bright top on I might not have noticed them as quickly - high vis can make such a difference.
@@Rroff2 yikes, not a nice experience!
@@Rroff2 indeed. But it takes a lot of experience and thought to get the balance right. Most people will not develop that judgement if they only cycle very occasionally.
Better to use the lane position numbers on 2 wheels, either the 3 position or 5 position system.
13:24 This happens to me a lot when I'm on my scooter (or moped, not sure which one is correct in English) and it's really annoying sometimes. Just because you're driving a bigger vehicle doesn't mean you own the road and can just bully me into driving too close for comfort to whatever obstacle is to my side. They don't seem to understand that you're still driving a motorised vehicle, they seem to think everything smaller than a car is the same as a bicycle... Which is still funny because cyclists are still road users and should still be treated as such.
I’m enjoying the vids big fella.
One thing to note, at 9:38 you can see the red ring looking thing next to your left hand, that's the bell, you twist it to ring it. Took me a while to find on ours over here in Germany but it's good to know it's there!
And yeah, prople take your priority, happens here in Germany too with bikes and scooters alike (but not too often in my experience having delivered pizza by bike in a medium-sized city), you learn to predict it and deal with it. Would be good if people driving cars (many of whom also drive bikes and scooters, although they're usually good at giving way!) would have more awareness, but it doesn't look like many people in power have much of an idea how to even start with that, at least until a collision happens anyway.
You are in a special position of having the ability to teach your students how to treat vulnerable road users. And I know you do that 👍🏻 I was cycling yesterday not bothering anyone pretty empty rural road with a closed shared path on my left and I got a face full of washer fluid from one car. Had to call hubby to bring water and eye wash as my eyes were stinging. Just an awful thing to do to someone. Eyes are still sore today. Is that an offence do you know?
That is, if you record your rides then submit it to the police, depending on your police force they might send them a warning letter.
I pretty much always wear glasses when out riding to keep flies and dirt out of my eyes, although a few times I've been sprayed too, although I find it helps to cool me down.
@@jerviservi I was recording..I’ll upload the video to my channel later today hopefully.
@@1ninjatiger You might want to send it to the police before uploading just in case. WMP allow you to upload footage to their site directly, I've only done it once, for an illegal turn that crosses a bike lane but there might be a rule or something that the police don't want your footage online before they've been able to process it.
@@Gobtik Its police Scotland 🏴 no where to upload anything
I have a lot of questions on these E scooters, firstly, why can you rent one yet if you buy your own it's illegal to use ? A provisional licence is required yet I constantly see kids riding them, usually 2 up, I see them left everywhere, a lot just dropped on their side, I'd like to know whose liable should one fall over onto a child? I see these being ridden in and out of pedestrians near Albert Dock and it's only a matter of time before someone is injured. probably all looked great on paper as did the planning scetches for The Strand in Liverpool or the cycle track down the dock Road, but in reality none of them make any sense.
The issue is with who is using them, not the overall concept, I think they are a good idea for businessmen, etc who want to reduce their reliance on a car, reduces traffic, noise and pollution, I do wonder why owning one is illegal though as an owner would be less inclined to act like an idiot, maybe, seeing some drivers.. However an accident with a scooter is less severe than a car, if they were owned privately they wouldn't be left everywhere, I saw pictures of hire bikes in big piles in China, without people going out constantly to return them to hubs it doesn't work, unless you have a lot of them, especially as being able to ride to work is kinda the point.
Well done for testing the last situation.Think we knew how it would turn out though.
Two words you said "work together" best advice. I use a personal skoot for work early doors 4am to 8am so I'm back safe. Give way to cars an pedestrians, walk it when busy an skoot away when you can. Good vid for novices mate. Nice one.
It's difficult to say exactly how far you were over and it is a balance between giving yourself space for safety (potholes, opening doors etc.) and not taking so much up unnecessarily. Then there's the general attitude to people especially on scooters which most people probably think are illegal and don't know about the hire schemes. On my (legal) electric bike I also experience people that don't realise how fast I can accelerate so they nip out expecting to be out of my way by the time I get there but they aren't.
Ashley "so who has priority?" Women in car "aight imma head out"
"You're on the wrong side of the road"
Hi Ashley, I would like to point out that the Voi E-scooters do actually have a bell.
The bell is activated by twisting that red bit on the left side of the handlebars (the bit that looks like it might be a grip or some kind of throttle). In my experience this bell is better than a standard bicycle bell as its easy to find and operate in a pinch, but a downside is the fact that it's harder to initially discover.
In Norway, these scooters have caused massive issues. We're now debating to ban these things outright, as people are hurting themselves or others whilst riding them, usually whilst drunk.
Couldn't they make it an offence to ride whilst drunk?
@@Jasontvnd9 That's been illegal from the get-go, as they've always fallen under the definition of a "motor vehicle". Doesn't seem to stop people from seriously hurting others.
@@Henoik its one thing to have a law but another to enforce it , seems like enforcement of the law is the issue.
@@Jasontvnd9 Of course.. It's difficult to enforce. Everyone who gets caught or reported breaking the law, are being ticketed, or in the most serious offenses, being sent to jail. The problem is that when you have hundreds, if not thousands of these scooters in a city, and a lot of them are being used irresponsibly and possibly illegally, it is unlikely that the police will be there to witness every crime. Yes, those who actually end up hurting others or who otherwise are reported to the police, get handled by the criminal system, but there is no way to realistically expect the police to be able to see even the majority of the incidents, when there are so many cases.
Well the fact of the matter is that the problem is that it is Legal to drive them when drunk.
Just like it is illegal to use a normal bike when you are drunk here.
It is honestly so fucking stupid that they have gone out of their way to make it legal to drive when drunk and then they complain about drunk people hurting themselves.