@@grahvis All the road rage incidents I've had have been with women. Once at a merge in turn some woman decided to fold my wing mirror in for me because "you should wait like everyone else" lol
@@MrSapps You’ve obviously been unlucky as all polls show men are more likely to ‘rage’ behind the wheel 😂 I have to confess I sometimes rant at other drivers. I don’t mind genuine errors or minor indiscretions..but drivers using the wrong lane to get to the front and cut people up and drivers weaving from lane to lane to try and gain one place really piss me off. It’s usually men I see but Ive had my fair share of women when cycling. All just annoying people to be honest.
I did find it kinda funny how he mentioned the priority thing after criticising dash cam channels for it. But I do understand he kept himself and everybody else safe which is the key difference.
I know there were no white line markings on that road but you were not over the center of the seam that indicates the center of that road, she however had her offside wheels over the seam and there fore in the event of a collision she would have been considered to be at fault. That said its no use arguing that you were in the right from a hospital bed is it. A greater degree of discretion could or should have ben used by the rider of the e scooter. I know that you did this on purpose to indicate perhaps a problem but am sure that under normal circumstances you would have given way as anyone with an ounce of common sense would do the same. She was in the wrong but then you still don't have the right of way and neither does she.
@@judgedredd49 I hear that argument a lot, and of course it makes sense - there's no point forcing the issue if you end up injured or worse. But i hate how the result is drivers continue to wrongly understand the road rules, bully other road users with their car, and in fact vulnerable road users surrender their rights to use the road safely. Might is right is wrong. As i said, from a self preservation perspective it is correct. But as a society we need to change that attitude.
@@judgedredd49 Have you ever given way to a more vulnerable road user because its safer for them? Sounds like you expect them to give way because THEY are more likely to be injured, it needs to be the other way around. I bet she doesn't drive at horses like that.
You have discovered what anyone who rides a bicycle experiences. Dangerous drivers who lack imagination about how dangerous their behaviour is and who are also often ignorant of the rules of the road. They make up their own rules to justify their anger which is usually just because they are frustrated about traffic and queues and annoyed that someone on a bike isn't stuck in it.
@@thechillpill3233 quite a lot of cyclists do that lol, it’s not like there aren’t a multitude of drivers who don’t go on their phones, or go through red lights, or just don’t know how to drive in general
Here in Spain, e-scooters are now part of the scenery. Mine is more powerful than the little machines legally available in the UK, but is limited to 25kph by law, though this can be overridden by the onboard computer to the actual top speed of 45kph. I live in a small town with very limited public transport options, so It really is a game changer for me as I don't drive... and at 68, it's waaay more fun than someone my age should be entitled to, and an absolute joy in the warmth and sunshine
In Benidorm a month ago and they were everywhere as well as e bikes and normal cycles with what appeared to he no problems fitting into their environment at all. Well done Spain. Our U.K. government is a waste of space, takes them forever to decide to make no decision.
'wrong side of the road' - If there were white lines painted down the middle of the road where would she and her vehicle be in relation to those white lines? She'd have crossed them wouldn't she?
That last situation is par for the course. Welcome to the world of two wheels. Even on a big adventure motorcycle if you take up an early position, just as you did, the 4x4 etc. will just force their way through expecting you to take to the gutter. I always tell riders I take out to position early, make it clear what your intentions are, but at the end of the day don't turn it into a game of chicken and you may have to yield, even if it is technically your priority.
Someone the other day on my faired CBF600 expected me to hop up a kerb out the way like a bicycle, because they tried to force their way around a parked car. It was downhill for me and I couldn't go backwards, so I was stuck there until they got it into their head they would have to move. In hindsight I could have seen it happening, and avoided it, but I was following a car, and they were stopped behind the parked car to let the car in front past.
@@ashley_neal Am I wrong in assuming driving instructors have some powers they can use in certain situations where they can revoke a license or something along those lines? Don't ask where I heard this from as it was many years ago.
Using the voice is a brilliant improvisation though, especially the quintessentially English "Hoi" . I was a great fan of "Oi!" music when I was younger. Thers no mistaking impending danger when someone shouts "Hoi!".
For a brief second when Ashley said, "Do you know who ..." I thought he was going to say, "Do you know who I am?!" 🤣 I wonder if by some small miracle she sees this video, how she'd reflect on the interaction.
People should see themselves reacting to things more often only then would they learn that they are responsible for THERE actions and the consequences that come of that
I gave up using 2 wheels a long time ago and have absolutely no intention of going back. @14:00 the irony of trying to pick an argument with Ashley almost made me chuckle. Obvious what went on here..... and she was not prepared to be educated. Excellent upload as always. Stay safe everyone 👍
I recently returned to the road after a 12month absence (because of a medical issue) your videos have been invaluable to me in terms of overcoming my anxiety about driving again. The one thing I have noticed is how many people drive REALLY badly and clearly do not understand basic rules of the road. In the past, I was probably one of those people but no longer. I have taken to reviewing my dashcam footage and comparing my driving to the stuff you teach which has benefited me enormously, so thank you very much!
Good to hear you're back on the roads, I'm guessing your health issue must be managed or better! Stay safe and if you get any good dash footage send it in! Take care and drive safe :)
This was an outstanding video and the first I've seen from Ashley. What I thought was great was his calmness in the scenarios. Scooters are becoming a problem where I live as we're not in a pilot area but have a number of people using them on the roads and the pavements. As a regular cyclist it is the same problems of sharing the road but with a bit of patience and understanding we can all get on and the majority of times everything is good, we just remember the close calls.
thats why people need to not rideshare these cheap scooters, and buy a hyperscooter for more power so you can ride it in the streets instead of sidewalk
They're available in my town too, so I tried one recently. My thoughts are that scooters are a good solution to short trips, but their small wheels are a bit of a liability on our bumpy potholed roads. I think, for roughly the same money, a folding electric bike is safer, mainly because of the bigger wheels. But thanks for sharing this - your video was a good representation of what it is like to ride a scooter.
They are nasty things from an engineering and stability point of view. A LOT could be done to make the design safer, more stable and better able to handle real world road conditions...but the things would cost a lot more. That would make them less attractive
@@GilesWendes There's a section of road between me and town that badly needs resurfacing. The rest of that road has been done already over the past few years, just this winter the cracks really opened up on that final section.
"I'm bigger, I can barge through" unfortunately applies a lot. i have had many cases of lorries turning to the main road from side road right in front of traffic, if anyone dares to press the horn a little, so do they because they are bigger and have all the right in the world.
One time I didn’t barge through on my right of way, because the traffic a head of me was building up to a stop, so I gestured for the other drivers to go through instead of blocking the road. I got a right mouthful from the man in his car saying “wow, you women need to read the Highway Code” I asked him to look at what I saw and said “ maybe you need to use your mirrors” he drove off with a sour look on his face, but I was pleased as punch 😌
Had this as a cyclist on many occasions driving down an industrial road where a hgv is parked on the oncoming side. Drivers see me in the middle of my lane to go past the hgv safely and still pull out seeing me coming
I’ve literally had people saying this to me, when I’m in my bike. Do we actually teach drivers this? Why do so many drivers actually believe priority is defined by size? Seeing a vulnerable road user, why wouldn’t anyone act with more caution?
That lady's attitude is really terrifying but i'm under no illusion that it's an isolated case. Seems to be a case of the unwritten road hierarchy where bigger car = more priority. Very scary knowing that people on two wheels put their lives in other people's hands who don't realize the responsibility they have behind the wheel.
I agree with you but the actual cause of the encounter is that she has just came across a situation for the first time and made a mistake, the next time may well be different. Personally I would prefer to not have them on the road or pavement, they are a joke to help eliminate cars altogether !
@@damedusa5107 Who invented the e-scooter, Who is promoting them and who is financing them ? Innocent questions but important all the same to understand what is actually going on ! They are part of the solution to too many cars and should be judged in that light !
@@jpfootballhd In places you can't book them; unlocking them before you get there almost guarantees someone else will hop on for a free ride. Voi need to enable prebooking in all slightly rural areas.
Cycled to work for 25 years, 34 miles per day, 5 days a week and generally raced and cycled all my life. Yes I fell off a couple of times. Still cycling at 65, I do not know of anybody fitter at my age. I am slim, no arthosclerosis tested by carotid artery ultrasound scan, no arthritis, take no prescription drugs and have no comorbitities whatsoever. Just enjoying a healthy later life thanks mainly to aeroboic exercise and a healthy lifestyle.
@@stevezodiac491 Oh it's undoubtedly fantastic for your health. It's also great for the environment and cheaper than almost any other firm of transport other than walking. But city planners or the politicians that employ them don't seem to give the slightest toss about providing the infrastructure to make cycling a safe way to travel. I always get so jealous of the Dutch and how they just make infrastructure just work safely and efficiently.
"I could have knocked you off"......no, you could have waited for the more vulnerable road user (who had an earlier position to show their intent) to clear before moving out. It was interesting to see the drivers interpretation of priority.......or would she pull out on a bin wagon also and then lecture them that they could have killed her with their large vehicle. I suspect it boils down in most cases to an individual feeling they are more important or their journey is more important, rather than a vehicle size hierarchy.
They think that it is a case of “I have the power to change your life for worse, don’t get in my way and stay on the pavement. I am irresponsible and can easily run over that dinky scooter. The road is for me. Shove off.” When it should be “yes of course you can share the road with us cars, we just both need to be aware, sensible and careful.”
Thank you for making this. I’m a car driver, motorcyclist and cyclist. On two wheels I always ensure I take the primary position and hold up the vehicle’s behind, forcing them to overtake in a proper gap and also increase my visibility to oncoming traffic. Yes you got held up for 50 seconds, we all make our way to our destination.
It’s probably because the driving license rule leads people to abandon the app. By making people invested in it with cash they probably get far higher completion of sign up
That whole video was terrifying! Those scooters look perfect for speeding between the estates in Milton Keynes using the redways but don't look at all suitable for main road use.
I bought one to drive to work a while back but I have been almost driven over, shouted at, slapped through the window, and ridiculed so many times I'm about to give up. Even though I had some policemen telling me I'm in the right, it doesn't make me feel any better when cars scrape by me and insulting me every time. I'd rather go against traffic regulations and drive on the pavements or sidewalks than using the road.
Don't drive on the pavement (sidewalk). That will just anger the walking road users (pedestrians). Entitlement (to the road) is a hard condition to fix.
I thought privately owned e-scooters are illegal on the road? A bit strange that policemen have been telling you that you are in the right when you are breaking the law?
@@32shumble That is not the case in germany. When you have an approved for road-use e-scooter and registered it with your insurance you can use a privately owned e-scooter on the road. There are some limitation of course, for example max speed 20km/h, but otherwise no, you are not breaking the law over here.
Just wait until 2030 when the government forces everyone out of their petrol and diesel powered vehicles. Most people won't be able to afford electric cars, so they'll end up walking, cycling or riding e-scooters. The roads will be a much calmer, safer place.
Exactly. As a cyclist I get people trying to push me off the road, often drivers who are on the phone at the same time. It's constant. Getting three cameras for my bike and I will be reporting every driver who passes dangerously or is on their phone. That's the only thing we have to fight back against car drivers killing us.
Cycling home today I got the middle finger from a woman on her phone with kids out of seatbelts leaning into the front. Literally enough points to ban just for that.
@@rory90FiVe Whataboutism not only isn't a counter argument but in cars vs bikes you cannot possibly think either that bikes are more dangerous or that cars don't break the rules. TfL data over 10 years showed 71% of people hit and killed/seriously injured by a road user jumping lights were hit by a car, bikes I think were 4 or 7%. Bikes are involved in fatal collisions with pedestrians about 2 every 3 years, cars kill 500+ a year before you even look at people who are killed on the roads. Watch any dash cam channel and you'll see cars jumping lights, going the wrong way down the road, speeding, on phones etc. Watch any police clips show and see the number who drive dangerously to get away from police or drive drunk. Bikes are not the problem on the roads. Also, it's very rarely cyclists that cause the problem, it's the Random on Bike / Kid on Bike that are the problem - these are not cyclists!
I'm a motorbike rider on L plates, and despite riding for over 3 years now, I still get the odd car who thinks because they're in a car and not on L plates the rules don't apply to them. So Ashley, get yourself on a scooter/moped and give us your opinions.
Riding a 1200 touring motorbike and still get car drivers trying to force their way past when they don’t have right of way. It’s just people’s impatient attitudes nowadays, unfortunately.
The biggest problem on the roads in general is the number of people who think the rules don’t apply to them. People on e-scooters don’t even know that there’s any rules … and with these ad hoc trials around the country, there don’t appear to be any set rules, either.
@@oddjobtriumph1635 Waste of money, I don't need anything more than a 125, plus I've only just turned 24 this year, so for me there was no point spending money on a restricted licence even if the test and in some cases the bike, being the same. If I was 24+ when I started, I would've gone DAS straight away.
Yes great insight he engineered that situation to make an otherwise boring video about a grown man riding round town on a scooter. At the beginning why didn't he make himself aware of indicators and horn ?
I think every driver, as part of their training, before they get their licence, should have to spend a few weeks (20 or 30 hours at least) riding a motorbike or bicycle on the road, just to know how vulnerable these other legitimate road users can be and how dangerous their experiences are... We have these in Australia, and they are a hazard... too slow for the road, too fast for the bike paths, too easy for inexperienced people to get on them (8 & 10 year old kids riding them) and too annoying when people leave them on bike paths (the sport is to ride past and kick them over - they start making some robot talking noise!), too dangerous because they are intrinsically unstable (short wheel base, high centre of gravity), the wheels are too small for the speed and surfaces they are ridden at & on... and have no warning device... just like a cyclist, cage drivers never hear you with their windows and radio up..., plus you can't, as you say, give clear hand signals like a bike... Welcome to the experience of EVERY cyclist who has ever ridden on the road - busy ones or side streets... it's always 2 or 3 tonnes vs. 100 kgs... can't defeat the law of physics... not even in hospital... It's worse on these scooters, because you are basically an adult riding a toy in the wrong environment...
Most people are to scared to ride a motorcycle on the road. And in my view bicycles are even more dangerous. Been riding motorcycles 25 years and bicycles 37 years. Also drove HGV but Don't have a licence. Drove a Ford transit jumbo (taller than a single deck bus and over 20ft long) I really look out for vulnerable road users.
@@chrisredfield3240 Exactly why they should have the bejeezus scared out of them at licence time so organically, the driving population gets so much better at appreciating the vulnerable legitimate users of the road... which in turn would make it more appealing to be a bike rider on the roads,,, it would change the whole culture of the roads in just a few years...
14:00 as a cyclist there was no need to fully obstruct the road. you could see there was no risk of doors opening from the parked car on the left and you should have just riden closer to the side. Theres loads of space for a car and a scooter to pass
That was my initial thought aswell, have to deal with a situation like that many times every day even on a tighter road and parked cars on both sides of road with no gaps. Don't see a problem why both of them could not of fit through there with ease. Neal borderline middle of the road... Only difference if he was in a car that only 1 could of fit through and woman would of gave way. She obiviosly saw there is space for both of them, if Neal moved to the left. Now not saying he did that on purpose, I would guess lack of confidence on the scooter is why he kept a gap that he did.
@@FiTZYrr Agree. Often have far tighter situation on rides especially small roads. Neal primarily drives so he would probably be thinking as a driver rather than a rider. Definitely takes a bit of confidence pulling close to cars or tight against the side of the road. Scooters aren’t the easiest to control either. But there was definitely a lot of space that could have been used
The guidance is that a car should give a cyclist the same space as they would a car. 1.5 meters from passing traffic, and .75 meters from the kirk/ parked cars. So no he should have taken a dominant position.
@@gerardmcmanus thats when cars are overtaking from behind. when you can see the car infront and they are going slow with less than 2 lanes it doesnt really apply. If people took the dominant position in every situation like this youll get a lot of angry drivers and a lot of conjestion.
Wide angle lenses can make things look further away. If you've seen what happens when a car door opens onto a cyclist then you'll always ride wide of car doors.
I've had some experience of these in Southampton (where the trial started back in March) riding from Central Station to about 20 minutes North into the suburbs, and while the people there seem slightly better at parking them in (or close to) designated bays, the actual scooters themselves are quite unstable and bumpy to be going at the speeds they're capable of. I do see people riding them a lot, though, so they seem popular there. Edit: the scooters do have a bell; it's the orange circular section where the left handlebar meets the central piece.
@cbr 2020 except escooter riders have generally not had the level of training required to ride a motorcycle. This leads them to underestimate the dangers and ride in a way that would make most motorcyclists cringe. Not only am I having to watch out for being drivers cutting me off while filtering I am now having to worry about 13 year olds on escooters pulling dangerous manoeuvres to filter or cross traffic. I know that Voi where I ride through in Bristol are checking ID but there must be a loophole as kids seem to be able to hire them freely somehow.
Welcome to the reality of cycling in Liverpool! I don't go anywhere near main roads anymore because my life isn't worth it. I hope the scooters enable more people to get a different experience of the road than driving a car. That range rover pass was an absolute classic, big car means they're more important.
that encounter with the lady, my every day bike ride. even worse. the road i cycle every day has 2 lanes, one always blocked by parking cars. i purposefully ride in the middle of the free lane since the road surface is in pretty bad condition, even worse in the gutter. lights on or not during daylight, too many times to count people drive directly towards me, some only stopping directly with their bumper on my front wheel, once they realize i wont jump into the gutter. what makes my day is getting cursed at for driving irresponsibly
Driving is a life long skill, as new types of vehicles share the road and rules change, we all need to adapt and learn. I really believe that everyone should have to retake their driving test every 5 years. The concept of the scooters is good, but there does seem to be a link to anti social behaviour that needs to be addressed and educated for all road user.
But he could see her also and chose to position himself further out to force his priority rather than sensibly just pulling to the left slightly....just heard him saying he realises he created this unecessarily so fair play for him realising that at least for next time...
@@mrturnbull9504 he did not create it unnecessarily, he needed enough space to ensure a car door opening didn’t knock him off, and the other car just decided he didn’t deserve any space because he was not a car. It’s poor if you think what she did was acceptable or that he was in the wrong.
The issue with e-scooters at the moment, is that you rarely see people using them on the road, I think every time I've seen someone they have been on the pavement or in some cases cycle lanes. This is clearly a large safety issue since going 15mph on the pavement is very dangerous to everyone, it also doesn't help that they are near silent, so pedestrians stepping out into the path of one is hard to avoid. Ideally what we need for e-scooters to become viable for everyone, is to have wider lanes for the likes to bicycles, roller-skates and small electronic vehicles (like e-scooters & e-skateboards). This would segregate traffic at walking/jogging speed (
Spot on, that's the trouble in this country, there's nowhere to put a cycle lane without narrowing the road, head to France or Germany where cycle lanes have figured for a very long time and work well. I'd agree on normal size bicycles being better, bigger wheels give much better stability and bigger wheels also handle bad surfaces better, I see these scooters being ridden by lots of underage people, many 2 up, when on the pavement they're a danger and on the road they tend to swerve around grids and bumps with no thought for what's behind them.
@@ashyye3 That's what normal bikes can do as well. No need to race to work and arriving dripping sweat. That's your choice. If you want to go faster without sweating there are e-bikes. I'm not a doctor, but if you can't cycle on an e-bike because you're out of breath all the time you might have to go and see one. Even my dad who has had lung problems all his life and smoked for 40 years can go at 10mph on an e-bike without much effort.
@@ashyye3 They are a great alternative to single-occupant cars doing short journeys. However I believe bicycles (including assisted ones) are a better alternative. Just more benefits from bikes, mostly regarding safety as well as wellbeing. I just think more effort should be made into making on-demand cycle hire schemes more accessible and widespread rather than dividing the market.
It's quite controversial that you're allowed to go out and "hire" these scooters, and then you can ride them on the roads legally, but if you were to purchase an electric scooter or "electric wheel" or whatever, you're only allowed to use them on private property / private roads.
Because you would need to register them before you could use them. You can't use a kit car or imported car before they're registered either. The difference is that there's no registration process for e-scooters because they don't meet the current C&U and other regs for 'mechanically propelled vehicles'. Hence the need for the legislative changes to allow the trials.
@@BucksCycleCam England is built on draconian regulations anyway. Typical - the government is allowed to but the end consumer isn't, the usual "one rule for one, a different rule for everyone else" sort of thing.
9:06 Unless I was planning on turning left I would not have bothered filtering there. The road ahead is single lane so that line of cars will just be trying to get past you again. In my experience as a cyclist, when cars keep having to pass the same cyclist/scooter, they are more likely to start taking risks. The Range Rover had already demonstrated that it won't give you space.
On the one hand that's what winds them up when they're stuck in traffic, but on the other hand that's what winds them up ... and of course they don't think for one moment that it's too many single occupant cars that's the problem, not too many single-track vehicles.
@@horsenuts1831 Only it does. When you hit someone with your car you get a slap on the wrist. When you get 12 points for repeatedly driving like a pillock you just say you need it for your job and they let you off. Everything about driving reinforces the idea that its a right and that everyone else is of secondary concern to you being able to drive however you like. The whole system of driving relies on the majority of people being decent enough to compensate for the utter pricks that are on our roads. If people didn't drive defensively they would probably be in about 5 crashes every time they hit the motorways. Until driving becomes a privilege nothing will change. Getting your license seems to absolve you of having to drive with regard for others. Just look at any of the sentences for people who hurt others through their wilfully neglegent driving and you will know everything you need to about how we view dangerous driving.
11:54 Here is something to think about: When cars are parked on both sides of the street, why does the scooter/bicylce not get priority over a car IF it stays on its side of the road? In other words: When two scooters/bicycles are able to pass each other without problem and it is the width of the car that causes issues why does the vehicle that doesn't need to switch sides have to wait at all? (Here in germany it is actually rules in this way)
Technically this is the case, only the car (or larger) has to enter the oncoming lane and block oncoming traffic. Its pretty hard to enforce though as the bicycle or motorcycle effectively blocks the oncoming lane as only another bike is small enough to share the space.
They had these in Lisbon last I was there, Lime I think the company is called. With their extensive cycling paths through the centre it made using these a breeze. No worrying about going on busy roads or clogging up the pavement. They were also super easy to find with the app and were mostly fully charged. If Britain had enough cycle lanes and drivers were a bit more considerate of other road users they would be a great idea, unfortunately I think most inner city drivers would despise the idea of someone else using the roads. Although saying that they can be dangerous if the scooter user was not obeying road rules, and unfortunately I don't think most user would.
Thanks Ashley, this is an excellent review of scooters especially going forward if they are legislated correctly, fully agree that the experience is same for cycling as with the car oncoming and to share the road equally. Agree driver needed to review her highway code but a shame you couldn't make example. Great review all same
Although your position was further out than necessary, as you were passing cars on a scooter, it would be so easy for someone to open their door onto you. The extra room could save a trip to the hospital.
You know what I really admire about your videos and presentation?... "Did I go looking for that problem... I suppose I did..." There's always going to be be people in that scenario that know that you will be the crumple zone, not them, so they expect you to yield. And... as you quite wisely said, "Don't go looking for that problem." Great video, thanks for your e-scooter review :)
"Cars overule..." Yeah not even remotely surprised at that. If you look at the road, you can see a line down the middle that you're not even over so her argument if you want to even call it that was entirely invalid. Classic car driver mentality, go for the headon, drive into conflict then come up with any reason as to why you're somehow in the right. "I'm driving so YOU on the bike/scooter/driving the bus/truck/learner give me way." Its actually her who's technically on the wrong side of the road. She goes over the aforementioned line.
People forget that all vehicles have equal rights on the road, and cars are extremely fast and heavy and can easily kill vulnerable road users, yet people still treat them like they’re an obstacle
@@ala0284 The problem is that once they have their licence, many motorists tend to believe they have a god-given right to use the road without hindrance to their progress. They forget that they have been licensed to drive a motor vehicle, and that licence is revokable. This isn't helped by the paltry (and sometimes non-existent) consequences of driving otherwise than in accordance with that licence (8600 drivers on more than 12 points, with three having over 60).
@@grahvis I once had a 'lady' running wide turning left off a main road shout at me (I was in a car) for having the temerity to approach the give way line on my side, because "You're supposed to give way to people turning into a side road". Wrong in several ways.
I’ve used them a couple of times in Bristol. I would say my experience is similar to yours. In one case, I was approaching a side road on the left. The woman in the car waiting to pull out looked right at me. In fact, I’d say we made eye contact, but she still pulled out directly in front of me so that I had to brake. Fortunately, I was kins of expecting it, so there was never any real danger. Also quite a few drivers seemed to actively try to make my life difficult e.g. closing up gaps in queues so I couldn’t get across to position myself to turn right. As for the driving license thing, I can confirm they only ask for it the first time you use an scooter. I’ve seen people abusing the system e.g. letting their obviously under 18 children ride them or riding two up. Oh yes, and they do have a bell. On yours it was the orange band on the left handlebar. I found it quite difficult to operate the indicators or the left brake with accidentally triggering it.
A hostility exists between car/van and scooter/bike. It's easy to see the "other" misbehaving. For example, cyclists will say that it's always cars that are dangerous, van drivers will say scooters are a menace.
@@se-kmg355 Just like the car that passed by him closely, then the scooter catches up at the lights and gets ahead. What did the car gain? Absolutely nothing.
What he said is right just don't make an issue of it if you're on a bike(he trigged this situation to show you what car drivers do) , I have watched so many UA-cam videos of cyclists and then self entitled I'm going to take up the whole Road just because i can legally can and it actually doesn't give them any benefit apart from aggravates Road uses and possibly endangering them self's from retaliation I have been a cyclist for over 10 years and i rarely come across problems because I don't become the object of the other drivers problem (unless I really have to)
I have a lot of questions on these E scooters, firstly, why can you rent one yet if you buy your own it's illegal to use ? A provisional licence is required yet I constantly see kids riding them, usually 2 up, I see them left everywhere, a lot just dropped on their side, I'd like to know whose liable should one fall over onto a child? I see these being ridden in and out of pedestrians near Albert Dock and it's only a matter of time before someone is injured. probably all looked great on paper as did the planning scetches for The Strand in Liverpool or the cycle track down the dock Road, but in reality none of them make any sense.
The issue is with who is using them, not the overall concept, I think they are a good idea for businessmen, etc who want to reduce their reliance on a car, reduces traffic, noise and pollution, I do wonder why owning one is illegal though as an owner would be less inclined to act like an idiot, maybe, seeing some drivers.. However an accident with a scooter is less severe than a car, if they were owned privately they wouldn't be left everywhere, I saw pictures of hire bikes in big piles in China, without people going out constantly to return them to hubs it doesn't work, unless you have a lot of them, especially as being able to ride to work is kinda the point.
13:24 This happens to me a lot when I'm on my scooter (or moped, not sure which one is correct in English) and it's really annoying sometimes. Just because you're driving a bigger vehicle doesn't mean you own the road and can just bully me into driving too close for comfort to whatever obstacle is to my side. They don't seem to understand that you're still driving a motorised vehicle, they seem to think everything smaller than a car is the same as a bicycle... Which is still funny because cyclists are still road users and should still be treated as such.
Hi Ashley. About the bell/horn. The red part on the left of the handel bar should be your bell. If you twist it it should ring. where i liive they are the same gray/black color as the handels so it took a while to figure out. So its nice to see that they made it a diffrent color in the UK.
As a driver of an older car driver living near London I have the same issue with Chelsea tractors, crossovers and 'prestige' marques. Priority *does not* depend on the size or value of your car. And as for cyclists, my default is to always give priority. They're less well protected & unlike me doing their bit for the environment so should be encouraged.
A bell is a nice polite warning on a shared footpath/cycleway. On a road there's no hope of it being heard by pedestrians or motorists above the road noise. Even a well placed bell reduces the amount of control on the brakes (not that you can't use them at the same time, especially for a planned manoeuvre, but in a potential emergency - like when a warning is necessary - there's some degree of impact). So yeah, a damned loud shout is definitely the best option.
Very informative. I haven't tried a scooter yet, but anything that gets people out of their cars for short journeys is a step in the ride direction. It's a pity that SOME motorists think they have priority over smaller more vulnerable road users. Maybe I should come up to Liverpool and we can do a video on cycling on the roads? 😀
Hi Ashley, I would like to point out that the Voi E-scooters do actually have a bell. The bell is activated by twisting that red bit on the left side of the handlebars (the bit that looks like it might be a grip or some kind of throttle). In my experience this bell is better than a standard bicycle bell as its easy to find and operate in a pinch, but a downside is the fact that it's harder to initially discover.
I love how she was saying you were riding on the wrong side of the road when there is literally a line down the middle of the road showing that you were in fact on the correct side of the road. Some people.
No she went because there was actual road traffic being held up by a scooter trying to prove a point..... she wasn't being an arse... its hard enough and well known fact its hard to see motorcycles on sunny days with their head lights on and the noise they make...... Silent tiny headlightless scooters.....yeah seems like a great idea.
Being the “weakest” vehicle, I may have waited for the Vauxhall too, knowing how many drivers behave. That said, you were not in the wrong and she gave away the twat in her when she started talking. Nice tour - thanks. 👍🏼😊
I cycle a lot also, but personally I think she assumed as I would have in her position, that both will comfortably fit. When she said "you should be on that side of the road" I dont think she meant you shouldnt be in her way because she's in a car, but couldnt understand why you were in the middle of the road coming directly at her when there was space for both to pass safely at those speeds. I'm sure if even another car was coming towards her in a situation where both can comfortably pass, but instead they were in the middle of the road heading straight for her, there would have been a similar reaction. Of course I agree with the message though, as what you describe does happen all too often
I really appreciate you stating the facts about the experience of cyclists on the road. It's starting to change slowly, but there's so much ignorance from motorists that they actually interpret safe cycling (or scooter riding) as an invitation to drive dangerously like this lady you encountered.
I feel like what you said at the end with how you 'looked for that problem' definitely showed in how the situation was approached. I feel like in situations like that, clearly the driver should have given way as you had right of way and they didn't have a safe enough amount of space* to proceed. However the way that the available space on the road was used* feels obnoxious when there was enough room for both vehicles to work together and continue safely (or maybe seeing it on camera has made the width of the road look larger to me than it actually is)
The chap on the scooter said he would not do anything different if he was in a car 🤔 Why? They are totally different vehicles. If it had been two cars then there would not have been sufficient space for both to pass. It was not two cars so there was sufficient space to pass. I understand the scooter rider wants to give himself space, but he still needs to promote good use of the road and that includes avoiding holding up others unless it is unavoidable. The very fact that he gave himself more space than was needed to pass is what resulted in the car driver maintaining her opinion on the matter, he was not sufficiently on his own side of the road which he COULD have been. Not SHOULD have been, but certainly COULD have been. Why create a situation compelling the car to wait when you have the option to adopt a position in the road allowing BOTH to pass. The scooters road position can easily be seen as favouring an offside position in the lane as the scooter is FAR closer to the encountered car than it is to the parked car on the nearside. The scooter rider had only just given way to an oncoming car in EXACTLY the same circumstances but then made a very conscious (and audible) decision not to give way on this occasion. It appears this also served to mislead the second oncoming car regarding the scooter riders inconsistent intentions. The car driver was not abusive but interestingly displayed only concerns regarding the suicidal behaviours of the scooter rider. The driver only moved off again to prevent the scooter from holding up even more traffic than he had just worked so hard to inconvenience already.🤷♂️
@@venividivici1401 He "could" have been closer to the parked car, but you need to consider the risk of people in parked cars opening their doors without looking (far more likely and dangerous for bikes/scooters). With this in mind, in my opinion Ashley took the safest road position, and was perfectly correct to do so. The only person in the wrong here was the car driver. Also, the line in the tarmac appears to be pretty central in the road, and at no point does he actually cross that line - he's very close to it, but he remains on his side at all times.
@@Haggisking The risk of people in parked cars opening their doors is always a consideration for any road user. It is however a risk that is to be assessed by the person opening their door as much as the person using the road space the door opens into. We cannot drive ANY vehicle passed a parked car leaving a disproportionately large space such that we have now impeded the flow of inbound traffic in favour of the possibility of another road user perhaps making an error of judgement. In circumstances where there is sufficient space for two cars to pass abreast then this will always be done so without leaving sufficient space for the door of a parked car to fully open. So why is it different here. The only reason an issue is made is because the scooter rider specifically believes he can retrospectively manipulate the situation by preempting what might occur if he proceeds, this exact thing then occurring and then making an example of it. All this does not negate the fact that sufficient space did exist for both to pass in circumstances identical to two cars passing one another and making a judgement on the space to leave for doors to open. The centre line here simply serves to show how much road the car is using in proportion to the scooter. The distance to the black 68 plate Audi on the offside is normal and acceptable. The distance to the 15 plate Fiesta on the nearside is larger than would be left normally. The motive here is clear as the scooter rider takes a misleading and inconsistent action immediately prior to verbally justifying this action with the phrase, "and see what they do". Therefore he took this action to provoke or test a response from the car which is a specific and calculated motive going against that of promoting good use of the road. Put simply, he WANTED to make a point about space and took a prejudiced position in the road to best make this point. Since when was the correct and safe riding position for a scooter dictated by simply not crossing the centre line? That's a weak argument. Scooters etc will not usually be central but nearside and in a meeting situation the scooter should never dangerously mislead another road user by riding in the manner of a car or larger vehicle as the other road user cannot reasonably anticipate that they would do this. Ashley was focused on proving a point and in setting out to do this he ended up creating an issue which brought about far more learning. The "space I would like to proceed down the road position" doesn't realy exist as other drivers may similarly nominate that space as their own at the same time. Best just sticking with the common sense and safe methods of not risking safety at the expense of an educational opportunity.👍
@@venividivici1401 "The risk of people in parked cars opening their doors is always a consideration for any road user. It is however a risk that is to be assessed by the person opening their door as much as the person using the road space the door opens into." I've found the best attitude for safe road usage is to assume everyone else is trying to kill you "They should have looked!" isn't going to be much comfort when you're in lying in a hospital bed with multiple broken bones after someone opened a door into you without looking while you were cycling (or scootering) past. I'm guessing you haven't spent much time riding a bike on the road, or you would be aware of increase the risk of this happening (as a cyclist you are a lot less visible than a car due to the much narrower profile, so even if someone does look, if it's just a quick glance rather than a proper look then they can easily miss you). Highway Code rules 67 and 213 both advise that a 1m or door's width gap should be left by cyclists when passing parked cars - obviously it's impossible to judge perfectly from the fisheye camera lens, but it does appear that this is roughly the distance Ashley is maintaining - exactly in line with this advice. The distance the car leaves between the Audi might be "normal", but actually it's too close - cars should also leave a door's width, for exactly the same reason as above. The woman repeatedly states "you're on the wrong side of the road", but he isn't, he's on the correct side of the road, leaving the correct amount of space in order to safely pass a parked car, as per the advice in the highway code. The woman is clearly taking offence to this and would prefer that Ashley rode closer to the parked car, putting himself in danger, so as not to inconvenience her or delay her journey for the 2-3 seconds it would have taken her to wait and allow him to pass.
@@Haggisking I think there needs to be a bit of common sense applied when being that cautious. Believing that death is imminent at all times may lead to a lack of confidence, undue hesitancy, and failing to make safe progress. It is the specific circumstances which should be assessed in terms of safety weighed against promoting good use of the road. Looking at this clip from 12:48 onwards it is clear that Ashley is not concerned with rule 67 or rule 213 as he passes by a total of 12 other parked cars at a normal road position, well within the 1 metre advised by the Highway code. These rules are a “should” and not a “must” which obviously indicates factors and circumstances will dictate what is best. However, only at the exact time an inbound vehicle is seen does he then decide to change this riding style to that of central. This is the crux of the issue with this specific action, the rider is only trying to make a point. How much or how little experience I have in riding a bike on the road does not influence my ability to make a sound judgement of the clip, if anything a keen rider or cyclist may well have a more biased view than others…🤔 I think that citing the Highway Code is fine for a situation in which you could easily defend your action or lack of action. Indeed rule 201 is almost never implemented and rule 126 is very well documented as severely outdated. This is a guide only and not a means to hide behind the misrepresentation of a rule in lieu of forward planning and lateral thinking. Had there been no inbound car then Ashley’s actions would not be so questionable, however there was so one must be prepared to act differently when faced with circumstances which sufficiently amount to a different action still adhering to the highway code in that specific moment. The woman remarking about Ashely’s road position is clearly exaggerating due to dramatizing the shock of confrontation. However her point is interesting as she refers to his road position which is the exact argument here. Riding acceptably close to every single parked car with the exception of the one parked car which is abreast an oncoming car and changing your road position to be wider and ride more central into the path of that oncoming car just so that you can refer to some rule which you believe relates to this being acceptable at all times is not the done thing. The safe space for both to pass was inconsiderately breached by Ashely in that specific situation. His choices where to EITHER consider rule 67/213 relating to cyclist and riders only and choose to wait if he believed that adhering to this rule was more important and safer than proceeding. OR, proceeded in the exact same manner of riding which he had been doing previously before the car came and disregarded the rule in favour of making good use of the road space. There is not a scenario in which having both can be deemed acceptable, let alone to demand it. 🤷♂️
I live in West Yorkshire, use an electric scooter to get to and from work and honestly it’s great. Gets me there quickly. Only downside is other road users not giving way, so most of the time I’m on the pavement
@@therealyoda6172 It's illegal to ride a non-trial-scheme e-scooter in any public place in England, be it road, footpath or cycle path, or anywhere else that might seem to the uninformed or intentionally criminal to be a good idea. It's an unregistered motor vehicle that would be treated as a moped except it doesn't comply with existing safety legislation.
@@molamh853 It's a British fallacy that southern European drivers are reckless and murderous. As a non driver, I have experience of the UK as a cyclist, and more recently, Spain as an e-scooterist... No question as to where I feel/felt safer. Cycle lanes are much more common, and when there isn't one, a minimum of 2 mtrs must be maintained during a passing manoeuvre. Speed limits in all urban areas are 20kph, making it easier to keep up with traffic for both bikes and scooters
so is getting struck by lightening, something falling from a window when your walking or getting punched once at a bar, there are numerous of ways of fatality as morbid as that may sound. You cant be in bubble wrap.
@@gjaxx I think European drivers respect two-wheeled road users much more because most of them allow you to ride a moped from 14. So almost everyone has ridden one and/or have children riding one. Cycling as a sport has a mass following there and so cycling is very much a 'normal thing'. I much prefer riding my motorcycle in Europe than in the UK.
First off... 20kph is about safety, both for car occupants and pedestrians. There's a huge drop off in fatalities at slower speeds. Pollution increases at higher speeds because of incidental effects like acceleration, deceleration and braking to reach and reduce higher speeds... especially when you're racing to get to your next set of traffic lights... and here's the kicker... did you know that average speeds in major cities and large towns are about 7 or 8 mph?... So maybe you would be better off walking... or get yourself an escooter?
Ashley Neal welcome to the cyclists' world. Imagine putting up with that every day when you're cycling. I can tell you it wears very thin after a while. The female driver saying she could have knocked you off the scooter, WOW and then telling you're on the wrong side of the road. Oh please!! You were where you should have been. All I can say is; I was glad that you had the sense to have your camera on! Even on a scooter I would have had three cameras rolling!
I wish cyclists would take up a dominant position more (though I can see why many are leery to do so) - while driving my truck I came much closer to a family out cycling than I was comfortable with because they'd tucked themselves all the way to the left on a bend (high hedge rows) reducing how far back they were visible. Additionally aside from the mum who had a white top they all had drab colour clothing and nothing of high visibility on the bikes - if it hadn't been for the mum at the back having a bright top on I might not have noticed them as quickly - high vis can make such a difference.
@@Rroff2 indeed. But it takes a lot of experience and thought to get the balance right. Most people will not develop that judgement if they only cycle very occasionally.
You are in a special position of having the ability to teach your students how to treat vulnerable road users. And I know you do that 👍🏻 I was cycling yesterday not bothering anyone pretty empty rural road with a closed shared path on my left and I got a face full of washer fluid from one car. Had to call hubby to bring water and eye wash as my eyes were stinging. Just an awful thing to do to someone. Eyes are still sore today. Is that an offence do you know?
That is, if you record your rides then submit it to the police, depending on your police force they might send them a warning letter. I pretty much always wear glasses when out riding to keep flies and dirt out of my eyes, although a few times I've been sprayed too, although I find it helps to cool me down.
@@1ninjatiger You might want to send it to the police before uploading just in case. WMP allow you to upload footage to their site directly, I've only done it once, for an illegal turn that crosses a bike lane but there might be a rule or something that the police don't want your footage online before they've been able to process it.
Yea…it’s so stressful riding a bike because you have to be 100% ready to stop every damn time there is another vehicle on the road. It’s absolutely tedious because we don’t have a designated space on the road, we don’t have another option. Great video x
One thing to note, at 9:38 you can see the red ring looking thing next to your left hand, that's the bell, you twist it to ring it. Took me a while to find on ours over here in Germany but it's good to know it's there! And yeah, prople take your priority, happens here in Germany too with bikes and scooters alike (but not too often in my experience having delivered pizza by bike in a medium-sized city), you learn to predict it and deal with it. Would be good if people driving cars (many of whom also drive bikes and scooters, although they're usually good at giving way!) would have more awareness, but it doesn't look like many people in power have much of an idea how to even start with that, at least until a collision happens anyway.
It's difficult to say exactly how far you were over and it is a balance between giving yourself space for safety (potholes, opening doors etc.) and not taking so much up unnecessarily. Then there's the general attitude to people especially on scooters which most people probably think are illegal and don't know about the hire schemes. On my (legal) electric bike I also experience people that don't realise how fast I can accelerate so they nip out expecting to be out of my way by the time I get there but they aren't.
It is a little dissapointing to note, being a past trained bikeability instructor myself, that a youtube driving instructor, who actually trains other driving instructors, doesn't know that riding about a metre out from the kerb is the 'secondary' position at the start of his e scooter trial or miss spoke and not the 'Primary' position as Ashley states on this video. If driving instructors have so little knowledge or communicate wrongly about cycling road craft, no wonder most normal licence holding vehicle drivers haven't got a clue about cycling road craft either. 'Primary' position is the 'taking' of a lane, probably a narrowing, positioning yourself in the middle of it, where it may be dangerous to be overtaken by another vehicle, putting you at risk in the process.
I would have pulled further over to the left (@13:30) and allowed the car to pass through as I would expect them to reach the parked vehicle on their side before you reached the parked vehicle on yours... I would do this on a bike or in my car tbh
My experience as a car driver: When I overtake bikes, admittedly I often choose a 'borderline' safe location,. What allarms me is that the driver behind will then choose an even more dangerous location.
Many times I've waited for a safe location to pass then either get overtaken before I can pass the cyclist (I'll then overtake that car when safe cos I'm silly like that), otherwise when I do pass giving ample room, I'll see the car behind pass so close. Only sometimes do they follow my example.
Odd thing is that here in the midlands they are illegal to be used on the highway. (privately owned scooters) However, some towns are adopting the hire scheme as on the video, so that seems a bit of a contradiction of the police ruling regarding these scooters
@13:00 aka when "cars overrule an escooter": This makes me question whether i'm part of the problem. When viewing this video i see what looks like a big enough gap for car and scooter to pass at the same time. (could just be wide angle lens) either way when riding my bicycle i sometimes find myself passing on coming car's in narrow streets. definitely not ideal and usually i end up giving way.
I live in Liverpool and I am shocked at car drivers, e scooter users and cyclists. You get good and bad in all. I see cyclists riding along the road and cars turn left into a side road and cut them off. It's a similar thing as you encountered "I am a car so I have right of way"! Personally I just don't know what a cyclist or e scooter user will do so I ALWAYS give them the space. I have had abuse from other drivers for not cutting off a cyclist this holding up the other car user. I haven't used an e scooter or really cycle much these days. I got knocked off my bike about 20 years ago in a side on collision on a roundabout. I was thrown about 40 feet and thankfully got up and walked away with just a grazed hip. Granted my bike was a mess. Fantastic informative video sir.
Your second comment is the key one. “I don’t know what cyclist will do……”. This is exactly this issue, the unpredictable nature of some cyclists increases the risk situation. I fully agree with you, take extra care as the rules of the highway may not be adhered to by the two wheel community and then you’re in a whole world on pain if something goes wrong.
E-scooters are good in countries that have the infrastructure to give space to vulnerable road users such as in the Netherlands, where I presume most scooter riders would just ride in the cycle tracks and lanes, to the annoyance of cyclists maybe. I remember going to Paris a few years back and their rules on e-scooters are rather relaxed and they were being parked everywhere and driven everywhere and that felt a bit intimidating as a pedestrian when large hoards of scooter riders appeared on the pavements. In general I'm not against this as a mode of transport. Its a good idea to get people across short distances quicker in cities, its just the lack of safe infrastructure that doesn't make these very appealing, as well as infrastructure to hold and store the scooters out of the way.
Really good insight. Somehow, as someone who is pretty confident on a bicycle, this felt like it was quite a bit scarier than cycling. Not sure I would use them. The Range Rover and Vauxhall driver really shows the general perception of drivers on the road towards cyclists (and now e-scooters). Something is wrong with the way we teach drivers.
Excellent video. Strikes me the biggest hazard for E-Scooter riders is the condition of the road surface, though the close pass and the oncoming Vauxhall weren't too pleasant.
Little tip to smooth out the ride: bend the knees and hips slightly, as if surfing, and steer with the feet, like a skateboard. I see a lot of people riding scooters passively with their leg joints locked. Active riding is much smoother, safer, and more comfortable.
In Norway, these scooters have caused massive issues. We're now debating to ban these things outright, as people are hurting themselves or others whilst riding them, usually whilst drunk.
@@Jasontvnd9 That's been illegal from the get-go, as they've always fallen under the definition of a "motor vehicle". Doesn't seem to stop people from seriously hurting others.
@@Jasontvnd9 Of course.. It's difficult to enforce. Everyone who gets caught or reported breaking the law, are being ticketed, or in the most serious offenses, being sent to jail. The problem is that when you have hundreds, if not thousands of these scooters in a city, and a lot of them are being used irresponsibly and possibly illegally, it is unlikely that the police will be there to witness every crime. Yes, those who actually end up hurting others or who otherwise are reported to the police, get handled by the criminal system, but there is no way to realistically expect the police to be able to see even the majority of the incidents, when there are so many cases.
Well the fact of the matter is that the problem is that it is Legal to drive them when drunk. Just like it is illegal to use a normal bike when you are drunk here. It is honestly so fucking stupid that they have gone out of their way to make it legal to drive when drunk and then they complain about drunk people hurting themselves.
If everyone rode like you there would be no problem but in the main, they don’t stop at traffic lights, they shoot out of junctions, go on and off pavements. It’s the fact that most have no road awareness education and just do as they please
with the superwide lens it's not easy to see just how much room you have... But I believe if it was me riding in that last example, I would have hugged the left side of the road and slowed down a bit to give way for the car... We must not forget that the car is absolutely dependent on the road... as a cyclist, e-scooter or pedestrian we have other options... So why make it even harder for the cars?
In Estonia we have 3 scooter companies, you have to be 16 but there aren't any checks, and pretty much everyone rides on the pavement. The scooters don't have turn signals but they do all have bells
It's typical of the motorist's sense of entitlement in thinking that everyone else should give way to them. Largely it's the "I pay my road tax," brigade, they don't think anything should cause them to slow down.
I found it so irritating that they don't get you to send your driver's licence until you actually get to the scooter for the first time. I don't carry mine around with me, so I walked for 20 minutes to the scooter, then had to turn round and go home again because I didn't have my license on me. Such stupid and unfriendly UX design. The scooters are fun and convenient though and, in Bristol at least, most of them are parked neatly in the designated areas.
Does it only ask for licence verification once, or does it do it for each ride? From a compliance point of view a picture of your photocard, a selfie of you and a time+location at the start of each ride would make sense. That way, it'll discourage "account sharing."
Two words you said "work together" best advice. I use a personal skoot for work early doors 4am to 8am so I'm back safe. Give way to cars an pedestrians, walk it when busy an skoot away when you can. Good vid for novices mate. Nice one.
"I could have knocked you off"
So she knew that and just kept going anyway??????
Driver self importance at it’s finest.
I would like to have heard the conversation continue.
'I'm literally a driving instructor...'
@@grahvis All the road rage incidents I've had have been with women. Once at a merge in turn some woman decided to fold my wing mirror in for me because "you should wait like everyone else" lol
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@@MrSapps You’ve obviously been unlucky as all polls show men are more likely to ‘rage’ behind the wheel 😂 I have to confess I sometimes rant at other drivers. I don’t mind genuine errors or minor indiscretions..but drivers using the wrong lane to get to the front and cut people up and drivers weaving from lane to lane to try and gain one place really piss me off. It’s usually men I see but Ive had my fair share of women when cycling. All just annoying people to be honest.
14:02 Of all the scooter riders to argue road rules with, this lady picked Ashley Neal 🤦♂️
The fact he talked to her like she was a learner as well makes it oh so much sweeter
was not much of a discussion
I did find it kinda funny how he mentioned the priority thing after criticising dash cam channels for it.
But I do understand he kept himself and everybody else safe which is the key difference.
Aint no "lady"
Ashley could of bust out the "Do you know who I am and what I do" and I would of bust out laughing and he would be right!! LOL
I'd like the part where she drove off because she knew she was wrong.
I know there were no white line markings on that road but you were not over the center of the seam that indicates the center of that road, she however had her offside wheels over the seam and there fore in the event of a collision she would have been considered to be at fault. That said its no use arguing that you were in the right from a hospital bed is it. A greater degree of discretion could or should have ben used by the rider of the e scooter. I know that you did this on purpose to indicate perhaps a problem but am sure that under normal circumstances you would have given way as anyone with an ounce of common sense would do the same. She was in the wrong but then you still don't have the right of way and neither does she.
Nah, she thought she was in the right. Just couldn't be bothered to continue to argue.
@@judgedredd49 I hear that argument a lot, and of course it makes sense - there's no point forcing the issue if you end up injured or worse. But i hate how the result is drivers continue to wrongly understand the road rules, bully other road users with their car, and in fact vulnerable road users surrender their rights to use the road safely. Might is right is wrong.
As i said, from a self preservation perspective it is correct. But as a society we need to change that attitude.
@@judgedredd49 Have you ever given way to a more vulnerable road user because its safer for them? Sounds like you expect them to give way because THEY are more likely to be injured, it needs to be the other way around. I bet she doesn't drive at horses like that.
She was like "Shit that's Ashley, I'm outta here for being wrong and I'll probably end up on YT"
You have discovered what anyone who rides a bicycle experiences. Dangerous drivers who lack imagination about how dangerous their behaviour is and who are also often ignorant of the rules of the road. They make up their own rules to justify their anger which is usually just because they are frustrated about traffic and queues and annoyed that someone on a bike isn't stuck in it.
A cyclist coming out with such comments is hilarious. Show me a cyclist that stops at traffic lights or junctions and I`ll show you a unicorn.
@@thechillpill3233 quite a lot of cyclists do that lol, it’s not like there aren’t a multitude of drivers who don’t go on their phones, or go through red lights, or just don’t know how to drive in general
@@franciscohwrd
If cycling while texting was an Olympic sport, Britain would be assured of a gold medal 🏅🤣😂
@@thechillpill3233 hmmmm, ive personally never seen anyone cycle and text haha.
@@thechillpill3233 you will run out of unicorns, there are plenty.
As a cyclist. This is my life every single day.
I feel you mate, nice to have some positive representation from time to time like this.
That's what you get for cycling though.
@@lurkio804 lol your pathetic
@@lurkio804 What an utterly moronic thing to say. Sums your attitude up on the road no doubt.
Not just cyclists the same happens to motorbikes
Here in Spain, e-scooters are now part of the scenery. Mine is more powerful than the little machines legally available in the UK, but is limited to 25kph by law, though this can be overridden by the onboard computer to the actual top speed of 45kph. I live in a small town with very limited public transport options, so It really is a game changer for me as I don't drive... and at 68, it's waaay more fun than someone my age should be entitled to, and an absolute joy in the warmth and sunshine
In my country they limited electric scooters to 15kmh/h during nights 🤔not sure if they sticked with it.
70 here...L0ove the scooter more then the Car...Be careful out there my friend
@@fatlu1378 too late 😁
Had a tumble last year and broke my ankle and wrist when I grazed a bike lane divider
I started at that age too. Around here all ages use them. I use it instead of a mobility scooter 🛵
In Benidorm a month ago and they were everywhere as well as e bikes and normal cycles with what appeared to he no problems fitting into their environment at all. Well done Spain. Our U.K. government is a waste of space, takes them forever to decide to make no decision.
'wrong side of the road' - If there were white lines painted down the middle of the road where would she and her vehicle be in relation to those white lines? She'd have crossed them wouldn't she?
That last situation is par for the course. Welcome to the world of two wheels. Even on a big adventure motorcycle if you take up an early position, just as you did, the 4x4 etc. will just force their way through expecting you to take to the gutter. I always tell riders I take out to position early, make it clear what your intentions are, but at the end of the day don't turn it into a game of chicken and you may have to yield, even if it is technically your priority.
Very true!
Someone the other day on my faired CBF600 expected me to hop up a kerb out the way like a bicycle, because they tried to force their way around a parked car. It was downhill for me and I couldn't go backwards, so I was stuck there until they got it into their head they would have to move.
In hindsight I could have seen it happening, and avoided it, but I was following a car, and they were stopped behind the parked car to let the car in front past.
@@ashley_neal Am I wrong in assuming driving instructors have some powers they can use in certain situations where they can revoke a license or something along those lines? Don't ask where I heard this from as it was many years ago.
100% I see it all the time here on the Isle of Wight.
@@PeterMaddison2483 I've never heard of this.
Just a heads up, they do have bells. It's not immediately obvious but that red dial on the left handlebar rotates and sounds a bell.
Using the voice is a brilliant improvisation though, especially the quintessentially English "Hoi" . I was a great fan of "Oi!" music when I was younger. Thers no mistaking impending danger when someone shouts "Hoi!".
I normally shout out BEEEEEEP
I find a shout of "Heads Up!" does the job nicely and few people take offence. (Yes people have got upset with me shouting "Oi!".
I thought you were gonna say, "Do you know who i am? I'm Ronnie Pickering! ", that would've been a golden moment.
😂☝️
Would have been funnier still if it had been Ronnie Pickering instead of the woman.
For a brief second when Ashley said, "Do you know who ..." I thought he was going to say, "Do you know who I am?!" 🤣 I wonder if by some small miracle she sees this video, how she'd reflect on the interaction.
People should see themselves reacting to things more often only then would they learn that they are responsible for THERE actions and the consequences that come of that
Ashley speaks sooo slooowly, you can add a multitude of endings to his sentences before he finishes it himself 🤣
Only Ronnie Pickering says that.
@@pussinboots1145 Who? :-)
@@maxusboostus :)
I gave up using 2 wheels a long time ago and have absolutely no intention of going back.
@14:00 the irony of trying to pick an argument with Ashley almost made me chuckle. Obvious what went on here..... and she was not prepared to be educated.
Excellent upload as always.
Stay safe everyone 👍
I recently returned to the road after a 12month absence (because of a medical issue) your videos have been invaluable to me in terms of overcoming my anxiety about driving again. The one thing I have noticed is how many people drive REALLY badly and clearly do not understand basic rules of the road. In the past, I was probably one of those people but no longer. I have taken to reviewing my dashcam footage and comparing my driving to the stuff you teach which has benefited me enormously, so thank you very much!
Good to hear you're back on the roads, I'm guessing your health issue must be managed or better! Stay safe and if you get any good dash footage send it in! Take care and drive safe :)
This was an outstanding video and the first I've seen from Ashley. What I thought was great was his calmness in the scenarios. Scooters are becoming a problem where I live as we're not in a pilot area but have a number of people using them on the roads and the pavements. As a regular cyclist it is the same problems of sharing the road but with a bit of patience and understanding we can all get on and the majority of times everything is good, we just remember the close calls.
" Scooters are becoming a problem where I live"
In what way are they a problem to you or others?
thats why people need to not rideshare these cheap scooters, and buy a hyperscooter for more power so you can ride it in the streets instead of sidewalk
They're available in my town too, so I tried one recently. My thoughts are that scooters are a good solution to short trips, but their small wheels are a bit of a liability on our bumpy potholed roads. I think, for roughly the same money, a folding electric bike is safer, mainly because of the bigger wheels. But thanks for sharing this - your video was a good representation of what it is like to ride a scooter.
Bike or Scooter wheels need to be at least 20 Inch in diameter ...just a small Pothole will have you off when smaller wheels are used.
@@cerealtiller As soon as e-scooters are legal in the UK, I’m going to be building one with 20” wheels.
They are nasty things from an engineering and stability point of view. A LOT could be done to make the design safer, more stable and better able to handle real world road conditions...but the things would cost a lot more. That would make them less attractive
@@joules531 it’s a green light now mate
That's my experience as well. A poorly maintained road is a horrible experience on an e-scooter.
Hitting a pothole at speed on one of these could throw you over the handlebars and potentially prove fatal. The small wheels are the problem.
The potholes on the roads around me are a problem for my 700x35 tyres!
Indeed
@@GilesWendes Git gud.
@@GilesWendes There's a section of road between me and town that badly needs resurfacing. The rest of that road has been done already over the past few years, just this winter the cracks really opened up on that final section.
We have so many potholes here.
14:02 - This annoys the hell out of me when I'm on my bike. People think "I'm bigger, I can barge through". She picked the wrong guy to argue with.
"I'm bigger, I can barge through" unfortunately applies a lot. i have had many cases of lorries turning to the main road from side road right in front of traffic, if anyone dares to press the horn a little, so do they because they are bigger and have all the right in the world.
One time I didn’t barge through on my right of way, because the traffic a head of me was building up to a stop, so I gestured for the other drivers to go through instead of blocking the road. I got a right mouthful from the man in his car saying “wow, you women need to read the Highway Code” I asked him to look at what I saw and said “ maybe you need to use your mirrors” he drove off with a sour look on his face, but I was pleased as punch 😌
Had this as a cyclist on many occasions driving down an industrial road where a hgv is parked on the oncoming side. Drivers see me in the middle of my lane to go past the hgv safely and still pull out seeing me coming
I’ve literally had people saying this to me, when I’m in my bike. Do we actually teach drivers this? Why do so many drivers actually believe priority is defined by size? Seeing a vulnerable road user, why wouldn’t anyone act with more caution?
I hate 4x4 drivers as they think they are superior to you
That lady's attitude is really terrifying but i'm under no illusion that it's an isolated case. Seems to be a case of the unwritten road hierarchy where bigger car = more priority. Very scary knowing that people on two wheels put their lives in other people's hands who don't realize the responsibility they have behind the wheel.
Isolated it is not. This is what cyclists deal with daily.
That is what it is like here bmw x3 x5 etc them sort of suvs literally cut through red lights at road works just ignoring the queues.
I agree with you but the actual cause of the encounter is that she has just came across a situation for the first time and made a mistake, the next time may well be different.
Personally I would prefer to not have them on the road or pavement, they are a joke to help eliminate cars altogether !
@@OldSonyMan what? Why? Bikes are on the road , mopeds to. The scooter is just a mix of them both. They have indicators .
@@damedusa5107 Who invented the e-scooter, Who is promoting them and who is financing them ?
Innocent questions but important all the same to understand what is actually going on !
They are part of the solution to too many cars and should be judged in that light !
Imagine walking 20 minutes to one and then someone else gets there 2 minutes before you !
Where I am you can book them
@@jpfootballhd In places you can't book them; unlocking them before you get there almost guarantees someone else will hop on for a free ride. Voi need to enable prebooking in all slightly rural areas.
People: "You should cycle. It's great for your health."
Me, after getting a belt of a van while cycling: "Yeah. I feel really healthy now."
Cycled to work for 25 years, 34 miles per day, 5 days a week and generally raced and cycled all my life. Yes I fell off a couple of times. Still cycling at 65, I do not know of anybody fitter at my age. I am slim, no arthosclerosis tested by carotid artery ultrasound scan, no arthritis, take no prescription drugs and have no comorbitities whatsoever. Just enjoying a healthy later life thanks mainly to aeroboic exercise and a healthy lifestyle.
@@stevezodiac491 Oh it's undoubtedly fantastic for your health. It's also great for the environment and cheaper than almost any other firm of transport other than walking. But city planners or the politicians that employ them don't seem to give the slightest toss about providing the infrastructure to make cycling a safe way to travel. I always get so jealous of the Dutch and how they just make infrastructure just work safely and efficiently.
"I could have knocked you off"......no, you could have waited for the more vulnerable road user (who had an earlier position to show their intent) to clear before moving out. It was interesting to see the drivers interpretation of priority.......or would she pull out on a bin wagon also and then lecture them that they could have killed her with their large vehicle. I suspect it boils down in most cases to an individual feeling they are more important or their journey is more important, rather than a vehicle size hierarchy.
They think that it is a case of “I have the power to change your life for worse, don’t get in my way and stay on the pavement. I am irresponsible and can easily run over that dinky scooter. The road is for me. Shove off.” When it should be “yes of course you can share the road with us cars, we just both need to be aware, sensible and careful.”
@@ds_e5202 It is always funny though when you confront these people outside their car though, suddenly they go all mouse.
To be honest, the scooters should used on the pavements. It’s a huge control from the government.
Thank you for making this. I’m a car driver, motorcyclist and cyclist. On two wheels I always ensure I take the primary position and hold up the vehicle’s behind, forcing them to overtake in a proper gap and also increase my visibility to oncoming traffic. Yes you got held up for 50 seconds, we all make our way to our destination.
So you payed for a day pass before you could verify your id/ diving licence with the app? Seems like they've mixed the order up a little bit.
"😉 Thanks for the money, unfortunately you did not provide ID" ... probably find somewhere is non refundable if you are unable to provide ID.
They are prioritising growth over adherence to rules. Typical "tech company" behaviour these days
That’s a good and frankly alarming point you bring up there.
It’s probably because the driving license rule leads people to abandon the app. By making people invested in it with cash they probably get far higher completion of sign up
I have an old-style (non-photographic) driving licence. Voi tells me that is not good enough so I'll not be going for a spin on one of heir scooters.
That whole video was terrifying! Those scooters look perfect for speeding between the estates in Milton Keynes using the redways but don't look at all suitable for main road use.
I bought one to drive to work a while back but I have been almost driven over, shouted at, slapped through the window, and ridiculed so many times I'm about to give up. Even though I had some policemen telling me I'm in the right, it doesn't make me feel any better when cars scrape by me and insulting me every time. I'd rather go against traffic regulations and drive on the pavements or sidewalks than using the road.
Don't drive on the pavement (sidewalk). That will just anger the walking road users (pedestrians). Entitlement (to the road) is a hard condition to fix.
I thought privately owned e-scooters are illegal on the road?
A bit strange that policemen have been telling you that you are in the right when you are breaking the law?
@@32shumble That is not the case in germany. When you have an approved for road-use e-scooter and registered it with your insurance you can use a privately owned e-scooter on the road. There are some limitation of course, for example max speed 20km/h, but otherwise no, you are not breaking the law over here.
Just wait until 2030 when the government forces everyone out of their petrol and diesel powered vehicles. Most people won't be able to afford electric cars, so they'll end up walking, cycling or riding e-scooters. The roads will be a much calmer, safer place.
@@plottwist1733 I fucking hope so
Exactly. As a cyclist I get people trying to push me off the road, often drivers who are on the phone at the same time. It's constant. Getting three cameras for my bike and I will be reporting every driver who passes dangerously or is on their phone. That's the only thing we have to fight back against car drivers killing us.
Not saying you're lying, but it's not like cyclists are completely innocent. They seem to think the rules of the road don't apply to them
@@rory90FiVe I know. I drive cars and ride motorcycles too. Cars are the ones that kill.
Cycling home today I got the middle finger from a woman on her phone with kids out of seatbelts leaning into the front. Literally enough points to ban just for that.
@@rory90FiVe I would look as people as individuals and not as part of a group. Give Giles the benefit of doubt.
@@rory90FiVe Whataboutism not only isn't a counter argument but in cars vs bikes you cannot possibly think either that bikes are more dangerous or that cars don't break the rules. TfL data over 10 years showed 71% of people hit and killed/seriously injured by a road user jumping lights were hit by a car, bikes I think were 4 or 7%. Bikes are involved in fatal collisions with pedestrians about 2 every 3 years, cars kill 500+ a year before you even look at people who are killed on the roads. Watch any dash cam channel and you'll see cars jumping lights, going the wrong way down the road, speeding, on phones etc. Watch any police clips show and see the number who drive dangerously to get away from police or drive drunk. Bikes are not the problem on the roads.
Also, it's very rarely cyclists that cause the problem, it's the Random on Bike / Kid on Bike that are the problem - these are not cyclists!
I'm a motorbike rider on L plates, and despite riding for over 3 years now, I still get the odd car who thinks because they're in a car and not on L plates the rules don't apply to them. So Ashley, get yourself on a scooter/moped and give us your opinions.
Been riding for over 51 years. It sure don't get any better.
Riding a 1200 touring motorbike and still get car drivers trying to force their way past when they don’t have right of way. It’s just people’s impatient attitudes nowadays, unfortunately.
The biggest problem on the roads in general is the number of people who think the rules don’t apply to them. People on e-scooters don’t even know that there’s any rules … and with these ad hoc trials around the country, there don’t appear to be any set rules, either.
why are you still on L plates after 3 years?
@@oddjobtriumph1635 Waste of money, I don't need anything more than a 125, plus I've only just turned 24 this year, so for me there was no point spending money on a restricted licence even if the test and in some cases the bike, being the same. If I was 24+ when I started, I would've gone DAS straight away.
Great insight
Yes great insight he engineered that situation to make an otherwise boring video about a grown man riding round town on a scooter. At the beginning why didn't he make himself aware of indicators and horn ?
Great wideo
Nice to see you here
I think every driver, as part of their training, before they get their licence, should have to spend a few weeks (20 or 30 hours at least) riding a motorbike or bicycle on the road, just to know how vulnerable these other legitimate road users can be and how dangerous their experiences are...
We have these in Australia, and they are a hazard... too slow for the road, too fast for the bike paths, too easy for inexperienced people to get on them (8 & 10 year old kids riding them) and too annoying when people leave them on bike paths (the sport is to ride past and kick them over - they start making some robot talking noise!), too dangerous because they are intrinsically unstable (short wheel base, high centre of gravity), the wheels are too small for the speed and surfaces they are ridden at & on... and have no warning device... just like a cyclist, cage drivers never hear you with their windows and radio up..., plus you can't, as you say, give clear hand signals like a bike...
Welcome to the experience of EVERY cyclist who has ever ridden on the road - busy ones or side streets... it's always 2 or 3 tonnes vs. 100 kgs... can't defeat the law of physics... not even in hospital...
It's worse on these scooters, because you are basically an adult riding a toy in the wrong environment...
They should also have to sit 2's up in an hgv so they can see why they need just as much slack as pedestrians
Lmao
Most people are to scared to ride a motorcycle on the road. And in my view bicycles are even more dangerous. Been riding motorcycles 25 years and bicycles 37 years. Also drove HGV but Don't have a licence. Drove a Ford transit jumbo (taller than a single deck bus and over 20ft long) I really look out for vulnerable road users.
@@chrisredfield3240 Exactly why they should have the bejeezus scared out of them at licence time so organically, the driving population gets so much better at appreciating the vulnerable legitimate users of the road... which in turn would make it more appealing to be a bike rider on the roads,,, it would change the whole culture of the roads in just a few years...
An accurate summary of why these thing are just plain Daft..thank you
14:00 as a cyclist there was no need to fully obstruct the road. you could see there was no risk of doors opening from the parked car on the left and you should have just riden closer to the side. Theres loads of space for a car and a scooter to pass
That was my initial thought aswell, have to deal with a situation like that many times every day even on a tighter road and parked cars on both sides of road with no gaps. Don't see a problem why both of them could not of fit through there with ease. Neal borderline middle of the road... Only difference if he was in a car that only 1 could of fit through and woman would of gave way. She obiviosly saw there is space for both of them, if Neal moved to the left. Now not saying he did that on purpose, I would guess lack of confidence on the scooter is why he kept a gap that he did.
@@FiTZYrr Agree. Often have far tighter situation on rides especially small roads. Neal primarily drives so he would probably be thinking as a driver rather than a rider. Definitely takes a bit of confidence pulling close to cars or tight against the side of the road. Scooters aren’t the easiest to control either. But there was definitely a lot of space that could have been used
The guidance is that a car should give a cyclist the same space as they would a car. 1.5 meters from passing traffic, and .75 meters from the kirk/ parked cars. So no he should have taken a dominant position.
@@gerardmcmanus thats when cars are overtaking from behind. when you can see the car infront and they are going slow with less than 2 lanes it doesnt really apply. If people took the dominant position in every situation like this youll get a lot of angry drivers and a lot of conjestion.
Wide angle lenses can make things look further away. If you've seen what happens when a car door opens onto a cyclist then you'll always ride wide of car doors.
I've had some experience of these in Southampton (where the trial started back in March) riding from Central Station to about 20 minutes North into the suburbs, and while the people there seem slightly better at parking them in (or close to) designated bays, the actual scooters themselves are quite unstable and bumpy to be going at the speeds they're capable of. I do see people riding them a lot, though, so they seem popular there. Edit: the scooters do have a bell; it's the orange circular section where the left handlebar meets the central piece.
aren't there ones by the Sainsbury's near oasis academy and fair isle primary school
I would like to see a video of you riding a motorcycle on a more busy day. I think it would be a nice video
Driving my 125 to work round london can be a shit storm haha
@@scottking869 I ride a slightly bigger bike in NL and the issues mentioned by Ashley are relevant everywhere
@cbr 2020 except escooter riders have generally not had the level of training required to ride a motorcycle. This leads them to underestimate the dangers and ride in a way that would make most motorcyclists cringe. Not only am I having to watch out for being drivers cutting me off while filtering I am now having to worry about 13 year olds on escooters pulling dangerous manoeuvres to filter or cross traffic. I know that Voi where I ride through in Bristol are checking ID but there must be a loophole as kids seem to be able to hire them freely somehow.
Blijo, nice to see you here man! I appreciate your modding
Welcome to the reality of cycling in Liverpool! I don't go anywhere near main roads anymore because my life isn't worth it. I hope the scooters enable more people to get a different experience of the road than driving a car. That range rover pass was an absolute classic, big car means they're more important.
that encounter with the lady, my every day bike ride. even worse. the road i cycle every day has 2 lanes, one always blocked by parking cars.
i purposefully ride in the middle of the free lane since the road surface is in pretty bad condition, even worse in the gutter.
lights on or not during daylight, too many times to count people drive directly towards me, some only stopping directly with their bumper on my front wheel, once they realize i wont jump into the gutter.
what makes my day is getting cursed at for driving irresponsibly
Driving is a life long skill, as new types of vehicles share the road and rules change, we all need to adapt and learn. I really believe that everyone should have to retake their driving test every 5 years. The concept of the scooters is good, but there does seem to be a link to anti social behaviour that needs to be addressed and educated for all road user.
I love the bit where you said “but did you see me?”
“Yes”
At that point she realised her argument failed
🤣
But he could see her also and chose to position himself further out to force his priority rather than sensibly just pulling to the left slightly....just heard him saying he realises he created this unecessarily so fair play for him realising that at least for next time...
@@mrturnbull9504 she should have stopped.
@@mrturnbull9504 he did not create it unnecessarily, he needed enough space to ensure a car door opening didn’t knock him off, and the other car just decided he didn’t deserve any space because he was not a car. It’s poor if you think what she did was acceptable or that he was in the wrong.
The issue with e-scooters at the moment, is that you rarely see people using them on the road, I think every time I've seen someone they have been on the pavement or in some cases cycle lanes. This is clearly a large safety issue since going 15mph on the pavement is very dangerous to everyone, it also doesn't help that they are near silent, so pedestrians stepping out into the path of one is hard to avoid.
Ideally what we need for e-scooters to become viable for everyone, is to have wider lanes for the likes to bicycles, roller-skates and small electronic vehicles (like e-scooters & e-skateboards). This would segregate traffic at walking/jogging speed (
Spot on, that's the trouble in this country, there's nowhere to put a cycle lane without narrowing the road, head to France or Germany where cycle lanes have figured for a very long time and work well. I'd agree on normal size bicycles being better, bigger wheels give much better stability and bigger wheels also handle bad surfaces better, I see these scooters being ridden by lots of underage people, many 2 up, when on the pavement they're a danger and on the road they tend to swerve around grids and bumps with no thought for what's behind them.
The e-scooter isn't the problem - its the riders that cause the issues
@@ashyye3 That's what normal bikes can do as well. No need to race to work and arriving dripping sweat. That's your choice. If you want to go faster without sweating there are e-bikes. I'm not a doctor, but if you can't cycle on an e-bike because you're out of breath all the time you might have to go and see one. Even my dad who has had lung problems all his life and smoked for 40 years can go at 10mph on an e-bike without much effort.
@@ashyye3 They are a great alternative to single-occupant cars doing short journeys. However I believe bicycles (including assisted ones) are a better alternative. Just more benefits from bikes, mostly regarding safety as well as wellbeing. I just think more effort should be made into making on-demand cycle hire schemes more accessible and widespread rather than dividing the market.
@@woutervanr I second your point. The cyclists in Amsterdam are not worried about needing a shower by the time they get to work.
It's quite controversial that you're allowed to go out and "hire" these scooters, and then you can ride them on the roads legally, but if you were to purchase an electric scooter or "electric wheel" or whatever, you're only allowed to use them on private property / private roads.
Because you would need to register them before you could use them. You can't use a kit car or imported car before they're registered either. The difference is that there's no registration process for e-scooters because they don't meet the current C&U and other regs for 'mechanically propelled vehicles'. Hence the need for the legislative changes to allow the trials.
@@BucksCycleCam England is built on draconian regulations anyway.
Typical - the government is allowed to but the end consumer isn't, the usual "one rule for one, a different rule for everyone else" sort of thing.
@@GaffaTV So you'd rather there were no regulations on motor vehicles?
@@BucksCycleCam sigh... that's not what I'm alluding to, at all.
It's really simple... the government can do it, but we can't. That's it.
@@GaffaTV The government can do what? Ride scooters? Make laws? What are you saying?
9:06 Unless I was planning on turning left I would not have bothered filtering there. The road ahead is single lane so that line of cars will just be trying to get past you again. In my experience as a cyclist, when cars keep having to pass the same cyclist/scooter, they are more likely to start taking risks. The Range Rover had already demonstrated that it won't give you space.
On the one hand that's what winds them up when they're stuck in traffic, but on the other hand that's what winds them up ... and of course they don't think for one moment that it's too many single occupant cars that's the problem, not too many single-track vehicles.
We really need a softness rule: The softer the object, the higher the priority ☺
We already have that rule ... duh!
This is the rule, the more "vulnerable" the higher the priority.
pedestrians > horse rider > cyclists > slow stuff > motorcyclists > big stuff > cars
@@PalladinPoker so we can allocate them points and create a video game “Death Race 2022”.
That's the rule already. We just need to educate the Karens In Vauxhalls that the ownership of a driving licence does not equate to entitlement.
@@horsenuts1831 Only it does. When you hit someone with your car you get a slap on the wrist. When you get 12 points for repeatedly driving like a pillock you just say you need it for your job and they let you off. Everything about driving reinforces the idea that its a right and that everyone else is of secondary concern to you being able to drive however you like.
The whole system of driving relies on the majority of people being decent enough to compensate for the utter pricks that are on our roads. If people didn't drive defensively they would probably be in about 5 crashes every time they hit the motorways.
Until driving becomes a privilege nothing will change. Getting your license seems to absolve you of having to drive with regard for others. Just look at any of the sentences for people who hurt others through their wilfully neglegent driving and you will know everything you need to about how we view dangerous driving.
11:54 Here is something to think about:
When cars are parked on both sides of the street, why does the scooter/bicylce not get priority over a car IF it stays on its side of the road? In other words: When two scooters/bicycles are able to pass each other without problem and it is the width of the car that causes issues why does the vehicle that doesn't need to switch sides have to wait at all?
(Here in germany it is actually rules in this way)
this is how its supposed to be in england aswell. but everyone has forgotten. its also completely illegal to ride an e scooter on the road
@@therealyoda6172 it’s illegal to ride a private e-scooter, but not a hire scheme e-scooter.
Technically this is the case, only the car (or larger) has to enter the oncoming lane and block oncoming traffic. Its pretty hard to enforce though as the bicycle or motorcycle effectively blocks the oncoming lane as only another bike is small enough to share the space.
They had these in Lisbon last I was there, Lime I think the company is called. With their extensive cycling paths through the centre it made using these a breeze. No worrying about going on busy roads or clogging up the pavement. They were also super easy to find with the app and were mostly fully charged. If Britain had enough cycle lanes and drivers were a bit more considerate of other road users they would be a great idea, unfortunately I think most inner city drivers would despise the idea of someone else using the roads. Although saying that they can be dangerous if the scooter user was not obeying road rules, and unfortunately I don't think most user would.
Thanks Ashley, this is an excellent review of scooters especially going forward if they are legislated correctly, fully agree that the experience is same for cycling as with the car oncoming and to share the road equally. Agree driver needed to review her highway code but a shame you couldn't make example. Great review all same
Although your position was further out than necessary, as you were passing cars on a scooter, it would be so easy for someone to open their door onto you. The extra room could save a trip to the hospital.
You know what I really admire about your videos and presentation?...
"Did I go looking for that problem... I suppose I did..."
There's always going to be be people in that scenario that know that you will be the crumple zone, not them, so they expect you to yield. And... as you quite wisely said, "Don't go looking for that problem."
Great video, thanks for your e-scooter review :)
She crossed partially into oncoming traffic and then told you you were on the wrong side of the road.
"Cars overule..."
Yeah not even remotely surprised at that. If you look at the road, you can see a line down the middle that you're not even over so her argument if you want to even call it that was entirely invalid. Classic car driver mentality, go for the headon, drive into conflict then come up with any reason as to why you're somehow in the right. "I'm driving so YOU on the bike/scooter/driving the bus/truck/learner give me way."
Its actually her who's technically on the wrong side of the road. She goes over the aforementioned line.
And exactly what cyclists have to deal with every single day. "I'm bigger and you can squeeze through so I have priority."
People forget that all vehicles have equal rights on the road, and cars are extremely fast and heavy and can easily kill vulnerable road users, yet people still treat them like they’re an obstacle
@@ala0284 The problem is that once they have their licence, many motorists tend to believe they have a god-given right to use the road without hindrance to their progress. They forget that they have been licensed to drive a motor vehicle, and that licence is revokable. This isn't helped by the paltry (and sometimes non-existent) consequences of driving otherwise than in accordance with that licence (8600 drivers on more than 12 points, with three having over 60).
@@grahvis I once had a 'lady' running wide turning left off a main road shout at me (I was in a car) for having the temerity to approach the give way line on my side, because "You're supposed to give way to people turning into a side road". Wrong in several ways.
An invalid argument from an invalid
I’ve used them a couple of times in Bristol. I would say my experience is similar to yours. In one case, I was approaching a side road on the left. The woman in the car waiting to pull out looked right at me. In fact, I’d say we made eye contact, but she still pulled out directly in front of me so that I had to brake. Fortunately, I was kins of expecting it, so there was never any real danger. Also quite a few drivers seemed to actively try to make my life difficult e.g. closing up gaps in queues so I couldn’t get across to position myself to turn right.
As for the driving license thing, I can confirm they only ask for it the first time you use an scooter. I’ve seen people abusing the system e.g. letting their obviously under 18 children ride them or riding two up.
Oh yes, and they do have a bell. On yours it was the orange band on the left handlebar. I found it quite difficult to operate the indicators or the left brake with accidentally triggering it.
A hostility exists between car/van and scooter/bike.
It's easy to see the "other" misbehaving. For example, cyclists will say that it's always cars that are dangerous, van drivers will say scooters are a menace.
Amazing video cheers for that . Now I've seen the experience you had I don't think I will dip my toe in one of those. Keep up the good work.
"I'm a self entitled Karen, in a car. Get out me way"
In a rush to force her self ahead but time to stop and argue....logic at its best.
A Liverbird Karen, a Karenbird? 🤔
@@se-kmg355 Just like the car that passed by him closely, then the scooter catches up at the lights and gets ahead. What did the car gain? Absolutely nothing.
What he said is right just don't make an issue of it if you're on a bike(he trigged this situation to show you what car drivers do) , I have watched so many UA-cam videos of cyclists and then self entitled I'm going to take up the whole Road just because i can legally can and it actually doesn't give them any benefit apart from aggravates Road uses and possibly endangering them self's from retaliation
I have been a cyclist for over 10 years and i rarely come across problems because I don't become the object of the other drivers problem (unless I really have to)
@@leexgx She stopped to argue, not him.
You are I think the first rider of one of these machines who I've seen stop at a red light....
I have a lot of questions on these E scooters, firstly, why can you rent one yet if you buy your own it's illegal to use ? A provisional licence is required yet I constantly see kids riding them, usually 2 up, I see them left everywhere, a lot just dropped on their side, I'd like to know whose liable should one fall over onto a child? I see these being ridden in and out of pedestrians near Albert Dock and it's only a matter of time before someone is injured. probably all looked great on paper as did the planning scetches for The Strand in Liverpool or the cycle track down the dock Road, but in reality none of them make any sense.
The issue is with who is using them, not the overall concept, I think they are a good idea for businessmen, etc who want to reduce their reliance on a car, reduces traffic, noise and pollution, I do wonder why owning one is illegal though as an owner would be less inclined to act like an idiot, maybe, seeing some drivers.. However an accident with a scooter is less severe than a car, if they were owned privately they wouldn't be left everywhere, I saw pictures of hire bikes in big piles in China, without people going out constantly to return them to hubs it doesn't work, unless you have a lot of them, especially as being able to ride to work is kinda the point.
13:24 This happens to me a lot when I'm on my scooter (or moped, not sure which one is correct in English) and it's really annoying sometimes. Just because you're driving a bigger vehicle doesn't mean you own the road and can just bully me into driving too close for comfort to whatever obstacle is to my side. They don't seem to understand that you're still driving a motorised vehicle, they seem to think everything smaller than a car is the same as a bicycle... Which is still funny because cyclists are still road users and should still be treated as such.
Hi Ashley. About the bell/horn. The red part on the left of the handel bar should be your bell. If you twist it it should ring. where i liive they are the same gray/black color as the handels so it took a while to figure out. So its nice to see that they made it a diffrent color in the UK.
As a driver of an older car driver living near London I have the same issue with Chelsea tractors, crossovers and 'prestige' marques. Priority *does not* depend on the size or value of your car.
And as for cyclists, my default is to always give priority. They're less well protected & unlike me doing their bit for the environment so should be encouraged.
Thankyou @LoC I only wish more drivers understood your last sentence and drove with the same in mind.
that is stupid. Just follow the trafikk laws, and all goes much better. Always giving them priority, can also make accidents.
@@Gismo3333 Care to give an example of yielding priority by default causing an accident?
Interesting about the lack of an warning device, apart from a 'YOH' bellow? Classed as an electric vehicle, but doesn't meet vehicle regs?...🤔
They do have a small bell, but it really isn't obvious.
@@garethnet Hah, maybe some low life had nicked the one on Ashley's scoot ..🤭😂
A bell is a nice polite warning on a shared footpath/cycleway. On a road there's no hope of it being heard by pedestrians or motorists above the road noise. Even a well placed bell reduces the amount of control on the brakes (not that you can't use them at the same time, especially for a planned manoeuvre, but in a potential emergency - like when a warning is necessary - there's some degree of impact).
So yeah, a damned loud shout is definitely the best option.
Very informative. I haven't tried a scooter yet, but anything that gets people out of their cars for short journeys is a step in the ride direction. It's a pity that SOME motorists think they have priority over smaller more vulnerable road users. Maybe I should come up to Liverpool and we can do a video on cycling on the roads? 😀
Hi Ashley, I would like to point out that the Voi E-scooters do actually have a bell.
The bell is activated by twisting that red bit on the left side of the handlebars (the bit that looks like it might be a grip or some kind of throttle). In my experience this bell is better than a standard bicycle bell as its easy to find and operate in a pinch, but a downside is the fact that it's harder to initially discover.
I love how she was saying you were riding on the wrong side of the road when there is literally a line down the middle of the road showing that you were in fact on the correct side of the road. Some people.
Thank you, very interesting - would the scooter be safer with a handle bar mirror? Otherwise it seems like too much neck twisting to me.
14:02 love how she has to run away when questioned why she's wrong :)
No she went because there was actual road traffic being held up by a scooter trying to prove a point..... she wasn't being an arse... its hard enough and well known fact its hard to see motorcycles on sunny days with their head lights on and the noise they make......
Silent tiny headlightless scooters.....yeah seems like a great idea.
@@bobby6204 cool story bro
Being the “weakest” vehicle, I may have waited for the Vauxhall too, knowing how many drivers behave.
That said, you were not in the wrong and she gave away the twat in her when she started talking.
Nice tour - thanks. 👍🏼😊
I cycle a lot also, but personally I think she assumed as I would have in her position, that both will comfortably fit. When she said "you should be on that side of the road" I dont think she meant you shouldnt be in her way because she's in a car, but couldnt understand why you were in the middle of the road coming directly at her when there was space for both to pass safely at those speeds. I'm sure if even another car was coming towards her in a situation where both can comfortably pass, but instead they were in the middle of the road heading straight for her, there would have been a similar reaction.
Of course I agree with the message though, as what you describe does happen all too often
I really appreciate you stating the facts about the experience of cyclists on the road. It's starting to change slowly, but there's so much ignorance from motorists that they actually interpret safe cycling (or scooter riding) as an invitation to drive dangerously like this lady you encountered.
I feel like what you said at the end with how you 'looked for that problem' definitely showed in how the situation was approached.
I feel like in situations like that, clearly the driver should have given way as you had right of way and they didn't have a safe enough amount of space* to proceed.
However the way that the available space on the road was used* feels obnoxious when there was enough room for both vehicles to work together and continue safely (or maybe seeing it on camera has made the width of the road look larger to me than it actually is)
The chap on the scooter said he would not do anything different if he was in a car 🤔 Why? They are totally different vehicles. If it had been two cars then there would not have been sufficient space for both to pass. It was not two cars so there was sufficient space to pass.
I understand the scooter rider wants to give himself space, but he still needs to promote good use of the road and that includes avoiding holding up others unless it is unavoidable. The very fact that he gave himself more space than was needed to pass is what resulted in the car driver maintaining her opinion on the matter, he was not sufficiently on his own side of the road which he COULD have been. Not SHOULD have been, but certainly COULD have been.
Why create a situation compelling the car to wait when you have the option to adopt a position in the road allowing BOTH to pass. The scooters road position can easily be seen as favouring an offside position in the lane as the scooter is FAR closer to the encountered car than it is to the parked car on the nearside.
The scooter rider had only just given way to an oncoming car in EXACTLY the same circumstances but then made a very conscious (and audible) decision not to give way on this occasion. It appears this also served to mislead the second oncoming car regarding the scooter riders inconsistent intentions.
The car driver was not abusive but interestingly displayed only concerns regarding the suicidal behaviours of the scooter rider. The driver only moved off again to prevent the scooter from holding up even more traffic than he had just worked so hard to inconvenience already.🤷♂️
@@venividivici1401 He "could" have been closer to the parked car, but you need to consider the risk of people in parked cars opening their doors without looking (far more likely and dangerous for bikes/scooters). With this in mind, in my opinion Ashley took the safest road position, and was perfectly correct to do so. The only person in the wrong here was the car driver.
Also, the line in the tarmac appears to be pretty central in the road, and at no point does he actually cross that line - he's very close to it, but he remains on his side at all times.
@@Haggisking The risk of people in parked cars opening their doors is always a consideration for any road user. It is however a risk that is to be assessed by the person opening their door as much as the person using the road space the door opens into.
We cannot drive ANY vehicle passed a parked car leaving a disproportionately large space such that we have now impeded the flow of inbound traffic in favour of the possibility of another road user perhaps making an error of judgement.
In circumstances where there is sufficient space for two cars to pass abreast then this will always be done so without leaving sufficient space for the door of a parked car to fully open. So why is it different here.
The only reason an issue is made is because the scooter rider specifically believes he can retrospectively manipulate the situation by preempting what might occur if he proceeds, this exact thing then occurring and then making an example of it.
All this does not negate the fact that sufficient space did exist for both to pass in circumstances identical to two cars passing one another and making a judgement on the space to leave for doors to open.
The centre line here simply serves to show how much road the car is using in proportion to the scooter. The distance to the black 68 plate Audi on the offside is normal and acceptable. The distance to the 15 plate Fiesta on the nearside is larger than would be left normally.
The motive here is clear as the scooter rider takes a misleading and inconsistent action immediately prior to verbally justifying this action with the phrase, "and see what they do". Therefore he took this action to provoke or test a response from the car which is a specific and calculated motive going against that of promoting good use of the road. Put simply, he WANTED to make a point about space and took a prejudiced position in the road to best make this point.
Since when was the correct and safe riding position for a scooter dictated by simply not crossing the centre line? That's a weak argument. Scooters etc will not usually be central but nearside and in a meeting situation the scooter should never dangerously mislead another road user by riding in the manner of a car or larger vehicle as the other road user cannot reasonably anticipate that they would do this.
Ashley was focused on proving a point and in setting out to do this he ended up creating an issue which brought about far more learning.
The "space I would like to proceed down the road position" doesn't realy exist as other drivers may similarly nominate that space as their own at the same time. Best just sticking with the common sense and safe methods of not risking safety at the expense of an educational opportunity.👍
@@venividivici1401 "The risk of people in parked cars opening their doors is always a consideration for any road user. It is however a risk that is to be assessed by the person opening their door as much as the person using the road space the door opens into." I've found the best attitude for safe road usage is to assume everyone else is trying to kill you "They should have looked!" isn't going to be much comfort when you're in lying in a hospital bed with multiple broken bones after someone opened a door into you without looking while you were cycling (or scootering) past. I'm guessing you haven't spent much time riding a bike on the road, or you would be aware of increase the risk of this happening (as a cyclist you are a lot less visible than a car due to the much narrower profile, so even if someone does look, if it's just a quick glance rather than a proper look then they can easily miss you).
Highway Code rules 67 and 213 both advise that a 1m or door's width gap should be left by cyclists when passing parked cars - obviously it's impossible to judge perfectly from the fisheye camera lens, but it does appear that this is roughly the distance Ashley is maintaining - exactly in line with this advice. The distance the car leaves between the Audi might be "normal", but actually it's too close - cars should also leave a door's width, for exactly the same reason as above.
The woman repeatedly states "you're on the wrong side of the road", but he isn't, he's on the correct side of the road, leaving the correct amount of space in order to safely pass a parked car, as per the advice in the highway code.
The woman is clearly taking offence to this and would prefer that Ashley rode closer to the parked car, putting himself in danger, so as not to inconvenience her or delay her journey for the 2-3 seconds it would have taken her to wait and allow him to pass.
@@Haggisking I think there needs to be a bit of common sense applied when being that cautious. Believing that death is imminent at all times may lead to a lack of confidence, undue hesitancy, and failing to make safe progress.
It is the specific circumstances which should be assessed in terms of safety weighed against promoting good use of the road. Looking at this clip from 12:48 onwards it is clear that Ashley is not concerned with rule 67 or rule 213 as he passes by a total of 12 other parked cars at a normal road position, well within the 1 metre advised by the Highway code. These rules are a “should” and not a “must” which obviously indicates factors and circumstances will dictate what is best.
However, only at the exact time an inbound vehicle is seen does he then decide to change this riding style to that of central. This is the crux of the issue with this specific action, the rider is only trying to make a point.
How much or how little experience I have in riding a bike on the road does not influence my ability to make a sound judgement of the clip, if anything a keen rider or cyclist may well have a more biased view than others…🤔
I think that citing the Highway Code is fine for a situation in which you could easily defend your action or lack of action. Indeed rule 201 is almost never implemented and rule 126 is very well documented as severely outdated. This is a guide only and not a means to hide behind the misrepresentation of a rule in lieu of forward planning and lateral thinking. Had there been no inbound car then Ashley’s actions would not be so questionable, however there was so one must be prepared to act differently when faced with circumstances which sufficiently amount to a different action still adhering to the highway code in that specific moment.
The woman remarking about Ashely’s road position is clearly exaggerating due to dramatizing the shock of confrontation. However her point is interesting as she refers to his road position which is the exact argument here. Riding acceptably close to every single parked car with the exception of the one parked car which is abreast an oncoming car and changing your road position to be wider and ride more central into the path of that oncoming car just so that you can refer to some rule which you believe relates to this being acceptable at all times is not the done thing.
The safe space for both to pass was inconsiderately breached by Ashely in that specific situation. His choices where to EITHER consider rule 67/213 relating to cyclist and riders only and choose to wait if he believed that adhering to this rule was more important and safer than proceeding. OR, proceeded in the exact same manner of riding which he had been doing previously before the car came and disregarded the rule in favour of making good use of the road space. There is not a scenario in which having both can be deemed acceptable, let alone to demand it. 🤷♂️
I live in West Yorkshire, use an electric scooter to get to and from work and honestly it’s great. Gets me there quickly. Only downside is other road users not giving way, so most of the time I’m on the pavement
You ride on the pavement? I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you... 😔
its illegal to be on the road.
@@therealyoda6172 It's illegal to ride a non-trial-scheme e-scooter in any public place in England, be it road, footpath or cycle path, or anywhere else that might seem to the uninformed or intentionally criminal to be a good idea. It's an unregistered motor vehicle that would be treated as a moped except it doesn't comply with existing safety legislation.
I am now very sure i will never ride one of those scooters, looks like a fast way to shorten my life.
I agree
@@molamh853 It's a British fallacy that southern European drivers are reckless and murderous. As a non driver, I have experience of the UK as a cyclist, and more recently, Spain as an e-scooterist... No question as to where I feel/felt safer. Cycle lanes are much more common, and when there isn't one, a minimum of 2 mtrs must be maintained during a passing manoeuvre. Speed limits in all urban areas are 20kph, making it easier to keep up with traffic for both bikes and scooters
so is getting struck by lightening, something falling from a window when your walking or getting punched once at a bar, there are numerous of ways of fatality as morbid as that may sound. You cant be in bubble wrap.
@@gjaxx I think European drivers respect two-wheeled road users much more because most of them allow you to ride a moped from 14. So almost everyone has ridden one and/or have children riding one. Cycling as a sport has a mass following there and so cycling is very much a 'normal thing'. I much prefer riding my motorcycle in Europe than in the UK.
First off... 20kph is about safety, both for car occupants and pedestrians. There's a huge drop off in fatalities at slower speeds. Pollution increases at higher speeds because of incidental effects like acceleration, deceleration and braking to reach and reduce higher speeds... especially when you're racing to get to your next set of traffic lights... and here's the kicker... did you know that average speeds in major cities and large towns are about 7 or 8 mph?... So maybe you would be better off walking... or get yourself an escooter?
Great video. Happy you stood up to the car driver and good to see someone using the scooters properly
As my partner who is an avid cyclist puts it. "Some drivers have Car brain, and think they matter more than anyone not safe in a metal box."
Ashley Neal welcome to the cyclists' world. Imagine putting up with that every day when you're cycling. I can tell you it wears very thin after a while. The female driver saying she could have knocked you off the scooter, WOW and then telling you're on the wrong side of the road. Oh please!! You were where you should have been. All I can say is; I was glad that you had the sense to have your camera on! Even on a scooter I would have had three cameras rolling!
When at 5:22 you say "primary position" you're actually in secondary. Important not to confuse this!
I wish cyclists would take up a dominant position more (though I can see why many are leery to do so) - while driving my truck I came much closer to a family out cycling than I was comfortable with because they'd tucked themselves all the way to the left on a bend (high hedge rows) reducing how far back they were visible. Additionally aside from the mum who had a white top they all had drab colour clothing and nothing of high visibility on the bikes - if it hadn't been for the mum at the back having a bright top on I might not have noticed them as quickly - high vis can make such a difference.
@@Rroff2 yikes, not a nice experience!
@@Rroff2 indeed. But it takes a lot of experience and thought to get the balance right. Most people will not develop that judgement if they only cycle very occasionally.
Better to use the lane position numbers on 2 wheels, either the 3 position or 5 position system.
You are in a special position of having the ability to teach your students how to treat vulnerable road users. And I know you do that 👍🏻 I was cycling yesterday not bothering anyone pretty empty rural road with a closed shared path on my left and I got a face full of washer fluid from one car. Had to call hubby to bring water and eye wash as my eyes were stinging. Just an awful thing to do to someone. Eyes are still sore today. Is that an offence do you know?
That is, if you record your rides then submit it to the police, depending on your police force they might send them a warning letter.
I pretty much always wear glasses when out riding to keep flies and dirt out of my eyes, although a few times I've been sprayed too, although I find it helps to cool me down.
@@jerviservi I was recording..I’ll upload the video to my channel later today hopefully.
@@1ninjatiger You might want to send it to the police before uploading just in case. WMP allow you to upload footage to their site directly, I've only done it once, for an illegal turn that crosses a bike lane but there might be a rule or something that the police don't want your footage online before they've been able to process it.
@@Gobtik Its police Scotland 🏴 no where to upload anything
Yea…it’s so stressful riding a bike because you have to be 100% ready to stop every damn time there is another vehicle on the road. It’s absolutely tedious because we don’t have a designated space on the road, we don’t have another option. Great video x
One thing to note, at 9:38 you can see the red ring looking thing next to your left hand, that's the bell, you twist it to ring it. Took me a while to find on ours over here in Germany but it's good to know it's there!
And yeah, prople take your priority, happens here in Germany too with bikes and scooters alike (but not too often in my experience having delivered pizza by bike in a medium-sized city), you learn to predict it and deal with it. Would be good if people driving cars (many of whom also drive bikes and scooters, although they're usually good at giving way!) would have more awareness, but it doesn't look like many people in power have much of an idea how to even start with that, at least until a collision happens anyway.
"Do you know who has priority though?"
**Answers different question**
It's one rule for cars, and one rule for all the others.
Agree
I thought it was "no rules for me and all rules for the others"
It's one rule for cyclists, and one rule for all the others. Fixed that for you.
It's difficult to say exactly how far you were over and it is a balance between giving yourself space for safety (potholes, opening doors etc.) and not taking so much up unnecessarily. Then there's the general attitude to people especially on scooters which most people probably think are illegal and don't know about the hire schemes. On my (legal) electric bike I also experience people that don't realise how fast I can accelerate so they nip out expecting to be out of my way by the time I get there but they aren't.
It is a little dissapointing to note, being a past trained bikeability instructor myself, that a youtube driving instructor, who actually trains other driving instructors, doesn't know that riding about a metre out from the kerb is the 'secondary' position at the start of his e scooter trial or miss spoke and not the 'Primary' position as Ashley states on this video. If driving instructors have so little knowledge or communicate wrongly about cycling road craft, no wonder most normal licence holding vehicle drivers haven't got a clue about cycling road craft either. 'Primary' position is the 'taking' of a lane, probably a narrowing, positioning yourself in the middle of it, where it may be dangerous to be overtaken by another vehicle, putting you at risk in the process.
I would have pulled further over to the left (@13:30) and allowed the car to pass through as I would expect them to reach the parked vehicle on their side before you reached the parked vehicle on yours...
I would do this on a bike or in my car tbh
Agree, looks like plenty of space for both of them. Ashley didn't need to be as far over to the centre of the road as he was.
Police are not protecting scooters, cyclists and motorcycles from dangerous car drivers but will waste time stopping people not causing a problem.
"Do you know who has priority there?"
*shouting intensifies*
My experience as a car driver: When I overtake bikes, admittedly I often choose a 'borderline' safe location,. What allarms me is that the driver behind will then choose an even more dangerous location.
Many times I've waited for a safe location to pass then either get overtaken before I can pass the cyclist (I'll then overtake that car when safe cos I'm silly like that), otherwise when I do pass giving ample room, I'll see the car behind pass so close. Only sometimes do they follow my example.
Odd thing is that here in the midlands they are illegal to be used on the highway. (privately owned scooters)
However, some towns are adopting the hire scheme as on the video, so that seems a bit of a contradiction of the police ruling regarding these scooters
@13:00 aka when "cars overrule an escooter": This makes me question whether i'm part of the problem. When viewing this video i see what looks like a big enough gap for car and scooter to pass at the same time. (could just be wide angle lens) either way when riding my bicycle i sometimes find myself passing on coming car's in narrow streets. definitely not ideal and usually i end up giving way.
I live in Liverpool and I am shocked at car drivers, e scooter users and cyclists. You get good and bad in all.
I see cyclists riding along the road and cars turn left into a side road and cut them off. It's a similar thing as you encountered "I am a car so I have right of way"!
Personally I just don't know what a cyclist or e scooter user will do so I ALWAYS give them the space. I have had abuse from other drivers for not cutting off a cyclist this holding up the other car user.
I haven't used an e scooter or really cycle much these days. I got knocked off my bike about 20 years ago in a side on collision on a roundabout. I was thrown about 40 feet and thankfully got up and walked away with just a grazed hip. Granted my bike was a mess.
Fantastic informative video sir.
I can't believe people have given you a thumbs down.
Your second comment is the key one. “I don’t know what cyclist will do……”. This is exactly this issue, the unpredictable nature of some cyclists increases the risk situation. I fully agree with you, take extra care as the rules of the highway may not be adhered to by the two wheel community and then you’re in a whole world on pain if something goes wrong.
E-scooters are good in countries that have the infrastructure to give space to vulnerable road users such as in the Netherlands, where I presume most scooter riders would just ride in the cycle tracks and lanes, to the annoyance of cyclists maybe.
I remember going to Paris a few years back and their rules on e-scooters are rather relaxed and they were being parked everywhere and driven everywhere and that felt a bit intimidating as a pedestrian when large hoards of scooter riders appeared on the pavements.
In general I'm not against this as a mode of transport. Its a good idea to get people across short distances quicker in cities, its just the lack of safe infrastructure that doesn't make these very appealing, as well as infrastructure to hold and store the scooters out of the way.
Really good insight. Somehow, as someone who is pretty confident on a bicycle, this felt like it was quite a bit scarier than cycling. Not sure I would use them. The Range Rover and Vauxhall driver really shows the general perception of drivers on the road towards cyclists (and now e-scooters). Something is wrong with the way we teach drivers.
The problem lies with accountability, not teaching
Excellent video. Strikes me the biggest hazard for E-Scooter riders is the condition of the road surface, though the close pass and the oncoming Vauxhall weren't too pleasant.
Little tip to smooth out the ride: bend the knees and hips slightly, as if surfing, and steer with the feet, like a skateboard. I see a lot of people riding scooters passively with their leg joints locked. Active riding is much smoother, safer, and more comfortable.
In Norway, these scooters have caused massive issues. We're now debating to ban these things outright, as people are hurting themselves or others whilst riding them, usually whilst drunk.
Couldn't they make it an offence to ride whilst drunk?
@@Jasontvnd9 That's been illegal from the get-go, as they've always fallen under the definition of a "motor vehicle". Doesn't seem to stop people from seriously hurting others.
@@Henoik its one thing to have a law but another to enforce it , seems like enforcement of the law is the issue.
@@Jasontvnd9 Of course.. It's difficult to enforce. Everyone who gets caught or reported breaking the law, are being ticketed, or in the most serious offenses, being sent to jail. The problem is that when you have hundreds, if not thousands of these scooters in a city, and a lot of them are being used irresponsibly and possibly illegally, it is unlikely that the police will be there to witness every crime. Yes, those who actually end up hurting others or who otherwise are reported to the police, get handled by the criminal system, but there is no way to realistically expect the police to be able to see even the majority of the incidents, when there are so many cases.
Well the fact of the matter is that the problem is that it is Legal to drive them when drunk.
Just like it is illegal to use a normal bike when you are drunk here.
It is honestly so fucking stupid that they have gone out of their way to make it legal to drive when drunk and then they complain about drunk people hurting themselves.
The Range Rover driver probably didn’t notice the lights let alone being on red!
Think the Range Rover suffers from "must pass cyclist at any cost"-syndrome.
Take leaf out of Neal’s book “there you go mate, you sit at the red lights a little longer’ 😎
If everyone rode like you there would be no problem but in the main, they don’t stop at traffic lights, they shoot out of junctions, go on and off pavements. It’s the fact that most have no road awareness education and just do as they please
Like most cyclists tbh.
Whats wrong with pavements? As long as they are being responsible and not being an idiot on the pavement. Whats the problem.
with the superwide lens it's not easy to see just how much room you have... But I believe if it was me riding in that last example, I would have hugged the left side of the road and slowed down a bit to give way for the car... We must not forget that the car is absolutely dependent on the road... as a cyclist, e-scooter or pedestrian we have other options... So why make it even harder for the cars?
In Estonia we have 3 scooter companies, you have to be 16 but there aren't any checks, and pretty much everyone rides on the pavement.
The scooters don't have turn signals but they do all have bells
It's typical of the motorist's sense of entitlement in thinking that everyone else should give way to them. Largely it's the "I pay my road tax," brigade, they don't think anything should cause them to slow down.
I personally don't agree there. Please pack the tar brush away :)
Do you always talk such bollocks?
@@craiggerrard5117 Are you always so offensive?
I agree, and they should.
Ashley "so who has priority?" Women in car "aight imma head out"
I found it so irritating that they don't get you to send your driver's licence until you actually get to the scooter for the first time. I don't carry mine around with me, so I walked for 20 minutes to the scooter, then had to turn round and go home again because I didn't have my license on me. Such stupid and unfriendly UX design.
The scooters are fun and convenient though and, in Bristol at least, most of them are parked neatly in the designated areas.
Good point.
Does it only ask for licence verification once, or does it do it for each ride?
From a compliance point of view a picture of your photocard, a selfie of you and a time+location at the start of each ride would make sense. That way, it'll discourage "account sharing."
@@_Steven_S just the first time
Great video, I love your approach to learning. Subscribed.
Two words you said "work together" best advice. I use a personal skoot for work early doors 4am to 8am so I'm back safe. Give way to cars an pedestrians, walk it when busy an skoot away when you can. Good vid for novices mate. Nice one.