Unfortunately not.Last week I was passed in the next lane by a marked Police van who was been tail-gated by a woman in a Mini (car not skirt). I've also thought of sticking a martial arts club sticker (Cobra Kai) on my rear bumper until I saw someone else with one being tail-gated! Mr Magoo has more observation skills than the average driver. Sorry! Showing my age there. Thanks.
I feel like the Peugeot driver didn’t have enough space to move in when they realised they had to pull over as the car behind the learner is also speeding and the jag is close behind the peugeot
Whenever I give way to a learner I give 2 thumbs up to boost confidence. It was harrowing to have somebody assess me, so I think people need that lift at times.
@@ethantucker7917 learners frustrate the crap out of me now I have passed, but I don't believe they deserve to know at that point in their driving experience. 😉
I’m a learner and just even leaving a bigger gap behind me is so comforting because ive been tailgated so many times and it’s absolutely terrifying, especially when I had little experience
I recently passed and I wear p plates, always overtaken when I’m doing the speed limit. One day I forgot to put them on and I was treated so much better on the road. It’s amazing really how badly people treat driving schools and recently passed drivers.
Exactly the reason why I never displayed them. They're supposed to help, "look at me I'm new, please be patient." Other drivers read "look at me I'm a noob that will get in your way" It's not just toxic gamers who hate on newbies
Yeah I used the motorway a few weeks after passing and still had p plates in I was in the middle lane in a reduced speed section because of road works. I was driving at the correct speed but got flashed and even honked by cars and trucks. I eventually pulled into a service station because I was concerned my lights may be broken. I couldn’t see any issues and just out of curiosity took off my plates and didn’t have any issues for the rest of my journey. I found the whole experience dangerous as I was constantly concerned about my driving and vehicle rather than focusing on the road.
I ignore all road users trying to push me up the road. If they’re so hellbent on going faster, they should simply overtake. I drive through a village called Meopham which has a 30mph speed limit. At the start, I have no cars behind me. After just a couple of minutes, there’s a train of 10-20 vehicles behind me, all following closely. I was doing a constant 30-31mph (according to the GPS), so how were they able to catch up with me? 🤔
Bullseye Studio slow isn’t safe if it increases people to behave out of the ordinary to navigate you, which people will tend to do. Then you’re just a slow car in the middle of a chaotic situation where people are overtaking you on the wrong side of the road or undertaking you on dual carriageways etc. Instead of pottering, drive with some focus and intent and arrive to your destination a bit safer than you currently think you do and also without sapping the souls of others around you who are forced to mosey along at your speed because Norman is out for a “potter”
Sticking to the speed limit is fine but driving 5-10 mph below the speed limit is hazardous! Especially on a dual carriage in the right hand lane. The amount of drivers that do this is shocking
L plates in theory: So drives will treat learners with extra patience and consideration L plates in practice: So Learners a hardened by the worst that bad drivers have to offer
What we need is a better funded police force, not for them with their limited resources to waste time doing that crap when there are real criminals at large.
@@Ultima2876 No, what we need is the police to use their resources more effectively. It seems to be well known that people tend to drive with surprising care and civility when there is a police vehicle on the road with them. Just imagine how they might drive if that learner in front could actually be a camouflaged police vehicle?
That was absolutely shocking the fact that the P plate driver got beeped for absolutely no reason. They literally gave way to traffic 🤣. Was the other driver expecting them to pull out and have a collision instead?
Wasn't it entering a three lane road and the car approaching from the right was in the middle lane? Might be wrong. Still no reason to sound the horn to a newly qualified driver who was being cautious.
@@paulhebblethwaite7168 But can you be absolutely certain that the car on the main road will stay in its lane? It may move left, without considering the effect on the emerging vehicles.
Remember, someone who does this is going to happily drive off into the sunset when the learner has an accident. So don't give in to the rude behaviour.
Probably yes or they couldn't see what the p plate driver was seeing. Drivers should never push someone to pull out just because they are impatient. But they do unfortunately.
Second clip has nothing to do with you driving a learner car, anyone who parks on the pavement next to zig-zags has no regard for other road users so would have done that to you whether you had the box on or not.
I believe that the parking rules of the zig-zag lines apply to the footpath or verge next to it too, so same offence as parking on the lines. Purpose of the zig-zags is to preserve sight lines. Yellow lines will often apply to footpath or verge too, as do clearways.
I’m a driving instructor in France, and i can relate to everything you show here, we don’t have the L plates here but we do have a (removable) box on the roof, when i drive the car and i forgot to remove the box, i know it instantly, by seeing the behaviours of people around me, trying to pass me even if i’m doing the speed limit, not giving way to forcefully get in front of me instead of behind, honking at me if i’ve not started moving in the first second the green light is on etc...
These clips once again indicate that a "hierarchy" seems to be in effect. You asked a reasonable question i.e. "Would people have done this to a marked Police car"? The answer has to be a resounding NO. I have noticed that people tend to be far more courteous when behind the wheel of my old classic which does, for whatever reason, have 'presence' and, perhaps, intimidates people due to its size/style. Put me behind the wheel of a 54 plate Corolla...... that is a different experience for sure. To summarise... I'm inclined to 100% agree that driving school vehicles do get a very rough ride from others. Stay safe everyone 👍.
Similar situation for me. When I was learning to drive, I received abuse from other people on the road regularly. I passed my test and progressed into a slow Vauxhall Corsa and the abuse went down but I still got some for being slow at junctions and roundabouts and now that I have my bright red BMW 3 Series, I don't get so much as a dirty look (that I have seen). I even notice the difference in the way other people behave depending on whether I am driving my red BMW or my mum's blue Renault Megane.
I've experienced this driving my wife's car when it had a P plate on it. Other drivers mug you left, right and centre because they think you're going to be slow or they think you don't know what you're doing. They'll take silly risks that they normally wouldn't do if the P plate wasn't there.
The more people that watch your videos the better. My driving has improved considerably since watching this channel. I find driving much easier and more relaxing as a result of having the right mindset.
3:26 - Ashley, I really must commend you on your mindset and how you teach the learner in the car that same mindset too - I mean in respect to being mindful of the size of the vehicle - how we as drivers should appreciate that larger vehicles need space - but not only that - how you then go on to explain about being mindful of traffic flow. If only everyone thinks like this.
Absolutely right about the timings for bus drivers and it does get stressful when you’re trying to keep to time and sadly not many other road users will let a bus out that has to use both sides of the road to do so, so yeah we do force our way out eventually or we’d never get anywhere……
they don't forget. they think learners keep every rule and rather chicken out so they can do whatever they want. againts experienced drivers they know they can't do it because the other party wouldn't let it (sadly it sometimes leads to accidents)
me too, even before i passed, i always give them more space. then there’s less pressure and chance of them making a mistake. i was always grateful when people did that to me instead of climbing right up my back on hill starts etc!
@@jadedshade Totally agree, I had them on for a few days after passing, as I thought "this will help people be a bit more patient with me, as I'm new". Mistake. Just seemed to cause a lot of grief, and if anything it made people more impatient. I took the P plates off and that grief basically went away.
I think what this series does is allows all of us who think we're pretty good drivers to realise that sometimes we're wrong from time to time, and it allows us to consider an alternative perspective which should ultimately make us better road users in the future. Thanks for the education!
Not many are intelligent or self aware enough to come to this conclusion Andy. Full credit to you! I try to have the same thought process when I watch even my own videos back, "What can I do better next time?" Regards, Ashley.
I live in Australia and just the other day, I had an 'L' rider on his motorbike come screaming past me. I was doing the speed limit of 90kph and he would have been doing at least 110kph. I beeped my horn towards him as he went past and to his credit, he did not gesture back. we stopped at the traffic lights and he asked me why I beeped him. I asked him to pull to the side of the road so we could talk. After 5 minutes of explaining how my mate was killed doing pretty much the same thing, he seemed remorseful and thanked me for taking the time to talk with him. He went on his way, but in a more safer manner.
I kept mine on for two years and regret it so so much. Noticed the day I took them off the harassment/intimidation decreased significantly. Ofc, there are days where I still make mistakes and come back to driving school videos to improve my driving. If only people weren't so entitled to the roads eh?
I think the bus driver at 3:20 was going to go half way and wait as the road to their right was clear, but seeing you slow he presumed you were giving way to him. Also visibility to the left in service buses is shocking. The door edges and assault screen make it difficult.
I remember as a learner getting overtaken whilst doing the speed limit. I guess people think learners are slow which isn't sometimes the case (My instructor told me off for always going a bit too quick 😂😂)
@@TheMagnay very true, something I've realised on my street. The road is narrow with cars parked on both sides with a school and park nearby, speed limit is 20. My dad gave me a lift home when a kid ran from in between parked cars. It's a good thing my dad drives to the condition and was doing around 10 mph otherwise the kid would be injured
1:26 I don't agree here. Sometimes you have to wait MINUTES to get out of somewhere. I'd rather make it so someone has to wait 20 seconds for me, rather than me waiting 3 minutes to get out. Sometimes you have to seem like a bit of a douchebag to actually get to where you need to go, otherwise you'll just be stuck in places forever.
Having taught both my children to drive, it's like driving around in a bullet magnet. One of my children was so shocked by an incident it put them off driving for 18 months. My thoughts to them, now that they are qualified, are "would you pass your test if you did that" (much like your comment about the police). It is very difficult at times to do the right thing and give way when you shouldn't have too, but just think I am the better for it and doing the thinking for both of us! Hats off to you, as you seem to have the exact temperament for the skilled job you do, keep up the good work and keep us all honest and willing to learn. Thanks
One thing I've noticed with impatient drivers like the Pegeout who overtook you to go left is that when it came to pulling away at the lights he was slow. So often a vehicle takes the right lane as if to overtake, then fails to be able to even try and do that. There used to be 3 lanes at the start of the M602 that merged straight into 2, and you could almost guarantee that if you took the 3rd lane behind one other vehicle, then the one in front of you would be the slowest of the 3 vehicles to pull away - therefore needing himself to 'ask' to be let in, and leaving you finding it even harder to merge back into lane 2. Also if you were at the front of lane 2 and tried to give the car in lane 3 time to get ahead, it often seemed to weirdly hover to the right of you then put its left indicator on when it realised it was running out of lane.
i can only imagine the person who overtook to immediately pull in is the same kind of person to leave the motorway from the outside lane and entering the hatched marked area on the slip road to get to the slip road.
I love watching your videos for 2 reasons. One for the usual entertainment purposes but 2 to challenge myself on how i would react to the situations posed. In the year and a bit ive been watching your videos its really changed my driving style, im less aggressive and let things thst would usually have caused me to get wound up, now dont phase me. Thank you and keep up the great work.
Never drive with P plates. People treat you as badly as they'd treat a learner but you don't have an instructor to tell you that you were fine and did exactly what you should have. I remember being horrible one time, there was a learner in front of me who wanted a larger gap than perhaps another driver would want, so I waited. The car behind me tooted, and I was angry because that poor learner probably thought it was me. So I glared at the driver, and after the learner had gone I waited for an even bigger gap before going. :D
The problem with the failure to give way is that learners sensibly do not drive at the oncoming traffic. In this respect all the other drivers assume that you have decided to give way to them and continue. An experienced driver would have been a little more assertive and closed the space down quicker so that after the white car you only leave enough space for cars. The van driver knows his vehicle is too big and is forced to wait. It should not be like this but very few people wait once the "wrong" car stops or gives way and loads of vehicles are taking the opportunity to follow on contrary to the rules.
People are just sheep and if a car goes through, just follow through regardless. This is also seen if a traffic light is on red and a car goes through it - the car behind will also go through it. "Well, they did...." etc.
This exactly we have one of those points nearby and if I'm forced to stop due to a car being under the bridge it's very rare for any others to stop, even if I try and be quite assertive and start moving as soon as. I don't necessarily think this is a learner deriver thing.
I remember having my A plate (the French equivalent of your L plates, if i'm not mistaken) and being regularly honked at on my way home, because i was "only" doing 75Km/h in a 70km/h zone, despite every single other car going the exact same speed, i was the one getting anger thrown at me, because people expect learners to be slow. But the worst part was people tailgating me. Well, sorry buddies, my 50Hp 1993 Corsa can't go faster while climbing a hill. Those same people were always slower to get off the line at green lights even after creeping for the entire duration of the red light, though, go figure.
As a bus driver, the guy should have waited I agree but your calmness and understanding of the pressure we are put under to keep to timetable is something I rarely see from people. We often drive for a whole hour or more and only have about 5 to 10 minutes to stretch out before going back out. If your late, the time you are late by gets taken away from that stand time so if we only had 5 minutes to begin with and was 5 minutes late, we would often have to drive for another hour without even getting out of the cab or having any type of break. So thank you for your understanding of a bus driver, it’s great to see someone like you explaining to someone else to show appreciation for us!
The Junction on clip 2 is a nightmare when your coming from the other direction. The amount of drivers that purposely use the left hand lane which is left turn only & try to force their way over into the left hand lane. Your a quality driving instructor, I love the way you explain things in a simple manner & as professional driver regularly watch your channel so I can constantly improve my own driving.
I was on a lesson yesterday, driving for about 1.5 hours, in that one lesson I got pulled out on 8 times - And almost got hit into the side when a car pulled out a junction without looking whilst I was directly infront. It’s scary how many people don’t follow the rules whilst learners have to stick to them and deal with the consequences of idiots around them.
I am a learner driver and yesterday I was driving up a high street with a lane for turning right only. Going the speed limit I started to slow down so I could make the turn, then out of nowhere this guy comes flying up my left side, cuts in front of me and takes the right turn almost causing himself to have a crash with a bus. Lunatics!!
Not even from the UK let alone Liverpool and your skills has taught me a lot and assisted my driving, and overtaking then turning left a second later? Common occurrence here in Australia
I live in America, but still like watching your videos to see what sort of situations I might encounter while driving. We don't have learner plates, but you can opt to putting some sort of sign up that says student driver, although my parents didn't on their car, only the high school did. Your voice is so calming, it must be really nice for your students. My mom keeps telling me to brake way to early whenever we're driving and it makes me crazy. Whenever I drive, I assume drivers will be dumb, but to avoid getting angry about it I assume it's out of negligence rather than rudeness.
I'm amazed. The clue is the L badges and roof box. Slow down, give plenty of space and expect anything. The driver may have any level of experience so be prepared. Why is this so difficult? 🤷♂️
You have my sympathies with this lot of gits. I had the 'privilege' of driving a car that was identical to a local unmarked police car some years ago. I felt like the reincarnation of Moses - the traffic parted for me. Although I have seen a git get ticketed for aggravated use of the horn (can't remember the exact name for it), most aggressive drivers are kittens around the law. With so many bad van/truck/bus drivers cropping up on dash cam channels, I'm sure there is room for a UK commercial vehicle bad drivers compilation that specifically identifies company vehicles being driven badly, with the audience encouraged to contact the company and let them know what their representatives are doing on the roads and that it is being called out to a wide audience.
Well no, they wouldn't have happened if they were a Police vehicle, but not sure you can say it is because its a driving school or P plate. I am not sure on the white car blocking the road whether he would have even noticed that or even cared, I believe he would have done that anyway. I am sure it does happen, there are some idiots about, but from those examples, I don't think you can categorically say that they only took those actions because it was a learner. I get the Peugeot that overtook and then pulled in...that seems to be the mindset of "Oh they will be driving slow for me so I will overtake", the same for buses and trucks. Don't think people appreciate how things have changed with the speed of vehicles. That said, really appreciate these videos though as there are always things I pick up on with these that make me think, and hopefully improves my driving. Great work Ashley
4:50 - 5:50 I'm confused as to why you didn't just pull next to the curb on your right to let the bigger vehicle pass you. In my opinion you made things more complicated than it had to be. Why try to make that tight squeeze instead of just yielding for the time being?
Just wanna point out it should be common courtesy to allow/give way to a bus who wishes pull out from bus stop if indicating to do so. You should always be ready to anticipate what other drivers are about to do.
Slotting into small spaces on the opposite side of the road to help a larger vehicle is the best and most sensible thing to do at times. I'm also not convinced the Learner box played a part in all of those instances. The driver wasn't asking for you to drive down the road either but to just slot into that space, but as he showed there was room for him to do so in this instance, my comments above refer to tighter spaces where it is sometimes better to deviate from conventional wisdom for the benefit of everyone.
I disagree, we keep left, so we do not move to a space on the right. Truck driver should have allowed Ashley to move into his originally intended space. If he'd been looking as far ahead as Ashley, (expected from a professional), he could have slowed earlier and had more time to assess the options, rather than grab the nearest option.
@@nigelcox1451 If that's the case you should perhaps say Ashley should have ignored the light flash and pulled in where he intended then instead of doing half of what the other driver had intended for him.
@@Peakwanderer Its an option, but the view to the truck's right may have been obscured, and the flash suggests he thinks Ash could pass through. Always a difficult call, like when you meet someone in a shop doorway and both try to let the other pass first.
In Oxford I had two drivers give me thumbs up and encouragement after completing a parallel park and holding them up for a few seconds while I did it - it was a small gesture but was such a huge confidence boost. After I pass, I'll make sure to give learners the same respect the nicer drivers in my area gave me.
I appreciate your understanding and communication about bussdrivers and heavy vehicle drivers pressure. Most prodrivers would love to be most safe ,good , polite and obaying laws , yet most of the time we can't fully. Due to road layout or other vehicles parked where they shouldn't , time and job prestanda pressure etc.
Great video as always.. I’ve been teaching this morning for 3 hours and already had 3 cars pull out from a side road and made us slow down .. you can see them double check and think it’s just a learner I will pull out they can wait
I just passed my theory test yesterday and I'm hoping to be ready for my practical in a month or so. I'm 35 years old and some of the driving by others is unbelievable! I've got 2 clips from my dash cam when I was out doing private practice in my own car that I want to share with you soon. The first one was slowing down for the red light on a crossroads and 2 cars jumped the red light to overtake me, 1 turned left - where I was going - and another turned right. The second clip was when I saw a bus trying to emerge onto the road and I slowed down when another decided to scream past both me & the bus on a busy main road in wet conditions. My husband was not happy. The sheer and utter contempt some drivers have for learners is appalling! This was 1 of the reasons that I stopped taking my lessons when I was 17. 18 years on and it's still terrible but I now can deal with it without feeling both scared and worked up. I love your channel and these videos - including following Erin's journey from day 1 - have been a delight! Im hoping to be applying for my practical test soon but living in Glasgow means that it might be a lot later than I hoped. Lockdown suspended my driving lessons for 5 months.
recently passed a few weeks ago and while the test means i can prove competence to drive, its still difficult and as many people keep saying the time you truly learn. a P plate driver is still inexperienced like an L plate driver but the P plate driver no longer has a person with them to offer advice in tricky situations. A P plate will make mistakes, heck I know i have made a few already but Ashley's videos are a great resource and i find myself using his tips to improve my own driving and when i do make mistakes i make sure to review them in order to learn and understand why i made the mistake in order to avoid repeating it. But people beeping the horn or flashing lights, or giving way to you when you cannot go because or other obstructions are really unhelpful. I understand if its a large vehicle wanting to turn in the road you wish to emerge from wanting you gone so that they can make use of the space you were using to complete their turn safely but in most cases it just makes you feel rushed, and rushing equals mistakes. either way I'm going to keep learning and trying to improve,
"if you knew you were gonna go left, why did you overtake?" - every single bike ride I've been on ever 😂 Keep up the great videos Ashley. Always learning from your vids
It's a nice feeling, getting a "thumbs up" from a driving instructor - just for being a little patient with learners. I'll always let them out, let them merge. I couldn't give a damn about being slowed up, being stuck behind one because I always remember how it made me feel when I was learning . However, here in Birmingham, the instructors need to be re-examined. Unless they are training future Audi drivers, as none seem to indicate when turning or changing lanes. One learner passed me on the left lane approaching traffic lights - a bus lane that becomes a "left turn only" lane for cars at the approach to the traffic lights, then becomes a bus lane again once over the lights.. I was stopped for the lights as they were changing, the learner proceeded past me and through the lights, which had changed to red, carrying on straight instead of turning left, which becomes the bus lane again. Then proceeded for some 300 yards in the bus lane to turn at the next set of traffic lights. We have an instructor on my road who, despite the 20mph limit , drives like Lewis Hamilton. Never indicates to pull on to her drive and has nearly caused an accident on several occasions by backing off her drive without looking. She also uses the bus lane, as I have observed more than once, instead sitting in traffic, with a pupil at the wheel. I politely tackled her about it once saying "you know you've just gone down a bus lane?", but her reply was to mind my own effing business followed by a load of abuse and swearing, then accusations of - you guessed it - racism. All while the pupil was still at the wheel !
Hey, really nice Videos! Just a question: in the Clip at 1:55 , shouldn't you give way to the Bus that wants to merge back in to traffic? In germany we have to make way in that situation.. Greetings from germany
I've been driving for 34 years and I see this stuff on a daily basis. I don't think it's "just" because it's got L plates on it's just the way people drive these days
So many people just drive like spacks constantly. I’m shocked by people’s inability to judge distance. I have less than a year of road experience yet seem to be more competent than some others
@Cars And Rentals no you idiot I haven’t ridden a (pedal, not peddle) bike in years so do piss off. I have a car and a motorbike thank you very much kid.
The standard of driving is dropping daily, I say that every driver should have to resit their test every 5 years. As a truck driver I see it every day.
I don't think retesting is the way maybe a mandatory course every 5 or 10 years once you've passed the test that should be that unless you're order to resit by a court I think
They seem to “dumb down” the test every time they “revise” it, I’m sure those doing the reviews take out the stuff they can’t do like reversing INTO a parking bay so when you pull out you have a better field of vision, doing a 3 point turn instead of doing a U turn in a junction or (reverse) parallel parking instead of mounting the kerb to pull into a space.
Yeah that's just what we need, more bureaucracy and bs to forcefully part us with our money. Retards will be retards no matter how many test you make them do.
I had someone honk at me from behind while I was giving way in a left turn lane last week, like what happened to the P plater, it makes me just want to sit there even longer.
I got beeped at in my driving test. I took a left turn (in mainland Europe right-hand traffic). And there was an elderly pedestrian just crossing the road I was supposed to turn into. So instead of blocking the full intersection, I waited in my lane until I could go. But apparently the guy right behind me didn't feel like waiting 5 seconds. Both the instructor and the examiner threw some evil eyes at the guy when he honked his horn at me. But that happened about 200 meters before the end of my test route. I passed :)
I know exactly how you feel, I have epilepsy so not allowed a license and thus cycle everywhere, the way I get treated on the road is terrifying at times and although I shouldn't lash out at cars, sometimes it's needed to make them keep their distance, it does help that I'm 6'8". I have had many driving school cars follow me at a good distance and they get a thumbs up from me.
Busses in my neck of the woods have a sneaky trick that catches out the space closers. They briefly indicate and stop wide of their bus stops which stops the cars behind from being able to see around them trapping them behind, making it easier to pull away after picking up their passengers.
Hi Ashley - I want to say first of all that I'm a big fan of yours and your videos. They are hugely helpful, interesting and informative. The only thing I would point out in this video is that I think at 2:55 you've laid on the horn and have covered it up with commentary (you can tell by the timing and by the reactions of the pedestrians on the left.) I'm not saying it's wrong to lay on the horn in this instance, because it was a shocker of a move by the Peugeot, I'm just saying that your reactions are also important and it doesn't always look good if you're trying to hide them through editing, because it could potentially bring other clips into question. Other than that though, a brilliant video as always. Thanks!
I can completely agree with what people say. I’m currently learning getting ready for my test in October and the frustration is real with people thinking they can push me well personally out the way
When I was a learner biker having people beep at me and shout harassment for following the road rules really put me off riding for a long time. It's even worse as a biker because we don't have an instructor with us and being on a bike surrounded by cars is pretty scary anyway. I did eventually pass my test and now I don't get any of that harassment anymore.
Fellow rider (on L plates) here. Besides tailgating, I commonly face people rushing through gaps down the side of parked cars that aren’t wide enough for me and their car, because they think I’m on a bike and don’t need much space… scary sometimes. Ride safe mate
"Rule 221 Large vehicles. These may need extra road space to turn or to deal with a hazard that you are not able to see. If you are following a large vehicle, such as a bus or articulated lorry, be aware that the driver may not be able to see you in the mirrors. Be prepared to stop and wait if it needs room or time to turn." and looking at the graphic on the GOV website I'd say the bus was fine to do what it did especially with the" be prepared to stop and wait" part www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-users-requiring-extra-care-204-to-225#:~:text=Rule%20223,tram%20and%20crossing%20the%20road.
ashley new driver here and I never learned how to merge in turn properly. my question is do you always have to match the speed of the flow of traffic in the other lane to merge? how can you tell if a driver is far enough away in your wing mirror as to merge across? I was taught if you can see all of the car behind you in the middle of the wing mirror you can move across without hitting it, I thought id ask you.
Hi Ashley, I know dash cams can be deceiving but at 1:57, it looks like the bus is indicating to pull out and there is plenty of room for you to give way as per the highway code.
I had driver honk at me on a driving lesson on round about 3 week ago. He over took me after i left the roundabout and started to do brake checks on me and started to wobble everywhere. We had to slow down realy far back because of his driving Antics. I asked my driving instructor did i do anything wrong there. He replied i was fine the driver behind was just not patient enough.
happened to me on the last turn on my test, at a roundabout someone on the right who was indicating to go right so they had right of way, they just sat there, and the person behind me beeped, yeah because he doesnt know how roundabouts work you beep me...
i give learners the space they need, if they are slowing me on an open road i will pass when there is a nice big gap to do so, and with very deliberate actions so that they know exactly what i'm doing. but if i see a driving school car with only one occupant, i treat it with the caution that i treat taxis! many times i have seen appalling sometimes aggressive driving by driving instructors when they're on there own.
I don't understand P plates. If you don't feel like you should have passed the test why are you driving? I might be missing something though. Does anyone use p plates and find them useful?
We’re not pressured at all by my bus company on running times, if we are running late it’s tough we are late and they will regulate us. They would rather us drive safely and not rush! With the bus turning left he just didn’t look what was approaching from his left and went.
So I randomly found your channel, love it! So a little story. My 17 year old son had about 5 hours worth of lessons before the start of the C19 lockdown. Of course, as well you know, driving instructors were unable to give lessons. At the beginning of June, he bought his first car that he had saved up long and hard for. So I started giving him lessons (I am surprised I had the patience to be honest but I did). I have always said that you should give anyone with an L plate on, whether it be a driving school vehicle, or a private one, lots of space and not crowd them. The behaviour of other drivers I have witnessed first hand towards someone who is learning is quite frankly disgraceful. A few times I have actually wanted to rip the bastards out of their cars throat first without opening the window first, and I am not a violent person in any way shape or form. What really pisses me off is none of these people were taught to drive this way, its a learned behaviour, and they wouldn't act like this if they weren't in their steel cage (I am a biker as well BTW, we frequently call car drivers "cagers" for this very reason). I think his instructor was quite shocked about how much he had improved when lessons resumed in July. Still taking him out regularly in his car, his test is at the end of next month. He's quite a competent careful driver now :-) As a final note, not all of us Merc drivers fit the stereotype, in fact the worst driving I normally see down here in sunny Swindon is normally from owners of various SUV type vehicles, especially the Nissan Qashqai and its ugly sibling the Jukebox.
Yeah I remember this when in driving school... I drove 52 KM/h in a 50KM/H area like my teacher told me to but still people pass me. Or people dont give right of way.
I work as a Tesco delivery driver and these things happen alot. The most common is being pulled out on or stopped infront of but they things people do really blows my mind
People (Mainly Experienced Drivers) do treat learners and new drivers very badly and horrible but it is also young drivers do get treated very badly by experienced drivers. I passed my driving test just over 2 years ago, I was 19 years old and I was doing driving lessons from the age of 17 (reasons it took me that long to pass my driving test it is because of my theory test, it took me 9 times to pass my theory test, then I passed my driving test for the first time and also I have got a learning disability). Also, drivers don't always say thank you and my driver instructor(even my parents) said to me that you should always say thank you if someone gives you away. When I was doing my driving lessons I had few bad occasions with experienced drivers but main ones were 1) for overtaking me and 2) lorry deeped at me on the dual carriageway as I was doing 50-55 mph. 3 weeks after I passed my driving test and brought my first car( I had a P plate for 6-10 weeks) I was driving to Basildon to meet up a friend (I live about 10-15 minutes away from Basildon), as soon as I got to the one-way system I was going into another lane to find a car park (I am not familiar around this area), I decided to indicate right as I got into the right lane the woman behind me beep at me but I didn't how close I am from her as I was checking both of my mirrors, then after the traffic lights this guy in the white van pulled up on the right as he put his hazard lights on, I stopped behind him and then the woman in 4x4 behind me beeped loudly aggresivly then I drive around this white van and then this woman beeped me loudly aggresivly again. I tried to apologise to this woman and she said "ok", then I drive inside of the car park as I was panicking because I had two women beeped at me, I was trying to find a good parking space then I was going into this parking space and then I had mini car crash into that car parked up next to me as I was screaming and I've cried very badly (it was a tiny scratch It wasnt proper mini car crash), the woman in bmw walk up to me, she was checking if I was ok, she calm me down and she said to me that "none of these drivers should beep at you as you have not long passed your driving test, they should be more patient with you and please calm youself down for 5 minutes before going to shops I am not letting to go into the shops like this ", she was very nice to me. Around April last year (this was during morning school run) after I drop my sister off to school I got bullied by woman (she was in the range rover and she got two young kids in the car) as she was overtaking this fiesta as this fiesta gave me away to come out the school (this fiesta was going into the school) and the woman in range rover didn't see me I was coming out of the school, she stopped immediatly decided to bully me (the school only has one road so the driver's on the main road have to give away, this woman in range over should never overtake this fiesta), after this woman was gone I had to pull over and the woman behind me (she has got a little girl in the car) got out of her car, she calm me down, she has witness what that woman has done to me and she hugged me while I was crying very badly. I had to tell my parents what happened and my parents said to me "that woman shouldn't done that". I wish people who have been driving much longer to give more patients to learners/new drivers/young drivers and treat them with a respect, If I see a learner/new driver on the road I always give them patience and give them extra space. I do get really stressed easily and sometimes upset on the road and I don't like anyone beep/have a go at me if I did a mistake (we all learn mistakes). I always drive safetly, check very mirrors, don't go over speed limit and look out for road signs. Experienced drivers should always be respectful to learner/new/young drivers and They shouldn't ever be rude, disrespectful and bully learner/new/young drivers.
Couldn't agree with you more, I'm an Adi up north and I see these things daily, truly sad that our pupils have to deal with it, highly hilarious when the other drivers realise it is us, the instructor driving tho and we just follow the rules of the road!
It’s the very same in Ireland. To make matters worse they recently passed laws that mean you now have to display ‘N for novice’ plates for an additional 2 years AFTER you get your full license. My driving instructor unofficially told me to keep a set in the door and offer to display them if I get stopped by police but otherwise to drive without as they make you a target on the road for other drivers. He also reckons it conditions everybody to blame the L driver or N driver if there is an accident, even if they did nothing wrong! It’s tough learning to drive as it is without other people making it worse!
I am usually an aggressive driver(manuals are so much fun!) but I always give a lot of space and never honk at learner cars because I was at that same place few months ago. You can drive aggressively while NOT being an ass.
Been around 7 years since I've passed my test - always treat learners with patience. People seem to forget they were once in the learners seat I love that saying you have "always be ready to make the situation better".
I think that first one was less to do with being a learner. The van and the first car went cos of the learner, but the other three I think would have tried to push through regardless
I've had that happen to me in my non-school vehicle. Things do happen more frequently in a school vehicle, but that situation is more a case of blindly following the leader.
Here, 30 miles from central London, the bus driver's actions would be pretty normal. Suburban roads are so choked, it would be almost impossible to get a totally safe gap for a large vehicle to exit a junction when intrusion into the opposite carriageway was unavoidable. They will normally exit the junction when the lane they want to enter is clear, and then wait until someone from the opposite direction takes pity on them.
I remember my driving test years ago, I had to pull over to the side to let an emergency service vehicle pass, which obviously i'd never done before. After i'd let it go I stayed where I was while other cars were beeping me, the examiner gave me a major thinking i'd froze until he realized a few seconds later that an unmarked police car had his blue lights on but no sirens as the other car had sirens, after he realized he rubbed it out as he had a pencil with him and told me to drive on when ready. Was an embarrassing experience for doing the right thing.
I'm happy to say my recent experience has been the opposite. I'm doing my driving lessons at the moment and other cars on the road have been really good about giving me more space than they would a normal car, and even had some people letting me through when they have priority (which my instructor said is actually dangerous and they shouldn't be doing it).
I had so many issues with other drivers when I had my learner plates on and as soon as I passed my test I decided that I wasn’t going to put P plates on because of the hassle I received with the L plates, needless to say I drove exactly the same once I passed my test to what I had been doing previously and yet I had absolutely no hassle.
Same experience here. the trouble is in my country P plates are required, so i had a couple of warning for it. That was better then an accident though. I was glad the day i got off my plates.
When I was in a driving school someone passed me doing 80km/h in a 50 zone and a different time a semi was riding my bumper and refused to brake down a hill and forced me to speed.
I hope someday all our driving school tutors teaches us the same way, explaining the do's and don'ts a driver should know. I once saw a tutor teaching his student how to cut a red signal in our place.
I passed about 5 months ago now just before lockdown and it's absolutely unreal the way some drivers have treated me whilst I've had my 'P' plates on. Dangerous and often pointless overtakes are incredibly common but also tailgating, beeping, pulling out and more. I'm not arrogant and am constantly critical of myself as a new driver trying to improve but some people will just see the plates and decide to abuse your inexperience and treat it as a free pass to drive like you're not a real road user and expect you to just be able to cope with how they want to drive rather than what the law and common sense dictates.
Interesting clips. Sad that you had to share them. The positive is how well your learners dealt with the situations they were in through no fault of theirs. Intimidating a P plate driver is particularly bad as they could be out on their own for the first time without an instructor or companion for reassurance. I'd like to ask the driver of the Meriva - if that was your son or daughter out on their first solo trip would you be happy for them to be treated like that?
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Undercover police cars with L plates. Would solve everything lol
Unfortunately not.Last week I was passed in the next lane by a marked Police van who was been tail-gated by a woman in a Mini (car not skirt). I've also thought of sticking a martial arts club sticker (Cobra Kai) on my rear bumper until I saw someone else with one being tail-gated! Mr Magoo has more observation skills than the average driver. Sorry! Showing my age there. Thanks.
GamingVision they’d have to change the law because unless your a driving instructor or a learner it is illegal to drive with L plates
@@tobeytransport2802 I know
Thats means the police actually doing their job. They don't get paid to do their job lol
@@JustMitchPool lol
The clip with the Peugeot is even worse when you realise they've sped up to overtake you whilst approaching a crossing with a pedestrian on it.
I feel like the Peugeot driver didn’t have enough space to move in when they realised they had to pull over as the car behind the learner is also speeding and the jag is close behind the peugeot
Shitting Peugeot! Never gets old.
Jeremy Clarkson said worst drivers on the road are Peugeot drivers lol
Maniac! Yobbo!
silver peugeot fault, no tolerance.
They all seem to forget that they were in the same position once upon a time
I think the attitude is: it was done to me so now I get to do it to you.
@@mishi144 and the cycle of the dumb fucks persist
Easier to drive back in the day. Much harder these days
Not me
they didnt forget anything they just dont care because they are selfish worthless assheads
Whenever I give way to a learner I give 2 thumbs up to boost confidence. It was harrowing to have somebody assess me, so I think people need that lift at times.
Thank you, we need more people like you!
@@ethantucker7917 learners frustrate the crap out of me now I have passed, but I don't believe they deserve to know at that point in their driving experience. 😉
@@MElaughs we've all got to start somewhere am I right😂
@@ethantucker7917 preach it, brother! Good health and happiness to you and anyone else reading this. It's been a harrowing year! ☮️
I’m a learner and just even leaving a bigger gap behind me is so comforting because ive been tailgated so many times and it’s absolutely terrifying, especially when I had little experience
I recently passed and I wear p plates, always overtaken when I’m doing the speed limit. One day I forgot to put them on and I was treated so much better on the road. It’s amazing really how badly people treat driving schools and recently passed drivers.
Exactly the reason why I never displayed them. They're supposed to help, "look at me I'm new, please be patient."
Other drivers read "look at me I'm a noob that will get in your way"
It's not just toxic gamers who hate on newbies
Yeah I used the motorway a few weeks after passing and still had p plates in I was in the middle lane in a reduced speed section because of road works. I was driving at the correct speed but got flashed and even honked by cars and trucks. I eventually pulled into a service station because I was concerned my lights may be broken. I couldn’t see any issues and just out of curiosity took off my plates and didn’t have any issues for the rest of my journey. I found the whole experience dangerous as I was constantly concerned about my driving and vehicle rather than focusing on the road.
Don’t use pussy plates then
@@johnward654 I saw you in this video, I swear! Quite often actually... or maybe the attitude is just similar- not sure.
koplerio ok mr furry
All this happens to me if I stick to speed limit.
That is exactly right. People seem to hate sticking to the speed limit and just want to bully those of us who obey the law.
I ignore all road users trying to push me up the road. If they’re so hellbent on going faster, they should simply overtake. I drive through a village called Meopham which has a 30mph speed limit. At the start, I have no cars behind me. After just a couple of minutes, there’s a train of 10-20 vehicles behind me, all following closely. I was doing a constant 30-31mph (according to the GPS), so how were they able to catch up with me? 🤔
Don’t be a pussy. Speed
Bullseye Studio slow isn’t safe if it increases people to behave out of the ordinary to navigate you, which people will tend to do. Then you’re just a slow car in the middle of a chaotic situation where people are overtaking you on the wrong side of the road or undertaking you on dual carriageways etc. Instead of pottering, drive with some focus and intent and arrive to your destination a bit safer than you currently think you do and also without sapping the souls of others around you who are forced to mosey along at your speed because Norman is out for a “potter”
Sticking to the speed limit is fine but driving 5-10 mph below the speed limit is hazardous! Especially on a dual carriage in the right hand lane. The amount of drivers that do this is shocking
L plates in theory: So drives will treat learners with extra patience and consideration
L plates in practice: So Learners a hardened by the worst that bad drivers have to offer
And I'll say it again: we need police vehicles dressed up as driving school vehicles.
Forget that, just buy a regular joe car and slap a P plate on it. That'll do the trick
What we need is a better funded police force, not for them with their limited resources to waste time doing that crap when there are real criminals at large.
@@Ultima2876 No, what we need is the police to use their resources more effectively.
It seems to be well known that people tend to drive with surprising care and civility when there is a police vehicle on the road with them. Just imagine how they might drive if that learner in front could actually be a camouflaged police vehicle?
@August Mi Arguing about politics has to be the most pointless thing ever.
@@TheMagnay P for "Police"
That was absolutely shocking the fact that the P plate driver got beeped for absolutely no reason. They literally gave way to traffic 🤣. Was the other driver expecting them to pull out and have a collision instead?
Wasn't it entering a three lane road and the car approaching from the right was in the middle lane? Might be wrong. Still no reason to sound the horn to a newly qualified driver who was being cautious.
@@paulhebblethwaite7168 But can you be absolutely certain that the car on the main road will stay in its lane? It may move left, without considering the effect on the emerging vehicles.
Remember, someone who does this is going to happily drive off into the sunset when the learner has an accident. So don't give in to the rude behaviour.
@@nigelcox1451 Exactly. No need for the horn.
Probably yes or they couldn't see what the p plate driver was seeing. Drivers should never push someone to pull out just because they are impatient. But they do unfortunately.
Second clip has nothing to do with you driving a learner car, anyone who parks on the pavement next to zig-zags has no regard for other road users so would have done that to you whether you had the box on or not.
I believe that the parking rules of the zig-zag lines apply to the footpath or verge next to it too, so same offence as parking on the lines. Purpose of the zig-zags is to preserve sight lines. Yellow lines will often apply to footpath or verge too, as do clearways.
More likely they're that thick they cannot understand why its important not to park on them
I see this on a daily now that schools are open. Cars parked up on a zig zag on a busy road forcing cars to come into oncoming traffic. Madness
@@dicerevo Yeah drivers don't realise that a car blocking the view is far more potentially dangerous than a moving one.
I’m enjoying the fact that these people are getting exposure. So keep this series coming Ash 👊
I’m a driving instructor in France, and i can relate to everything you show here, we don’t have the L plates here but we do have a (removable) box on the roof, when i drive the car and i forgot to remove the box, i know it instantly, by seeing the behaviours of people around me, trying to pass me even if i’m doing the speed limit, not giving way to forcefully get in front of me instead of behind, honking at me if i’ve not started moving in the first second the green light is on etc...
hear hear, from the netherlands. im getting so fed up with their impatience, especially (as you mentioned) when the roof sign is still up .
meaning i take it off every time i get behind the wheel myself
These clips once again indicate that a "hierarchy" seems to be in effect.
You asked a reasonable question i.e. "Would people have done this to a marked Police car"? The answer has to be a resounding NO.
I have noticed that people tend to be far more courteous when behind the wheel of my old classic which does, for whatever reason, have 'presence' and, perhaps, intimidates people due to its size/style. Put me behind the wheel of a 54 plate Corolla...... that is a different experience for sure.
To summarise... I'm inclined to 100% agree that driving school vehicles do get a very rough ride from others.
Stay safe everyone 👍.
Similar situation for me. When I was learning to drive, I received abuse from other people on the road regularly. I passed my test and progressed into a slow Vauxhall Corsa and the abuse went down but I still got some for being slow at junctions and roundabouts and now that I have my bright red BMW 3 Series, I don't get so much as a dirty look (that I have seen). I even notice the difference in the way other people behave depending on whether I am driving my red BMW or my mum's blue Renault Megane.
The ones behind the first one going the other way were suffering from sheep syndrome. 😃😄😅😁😂
@@marklittler784 😆😆😆🐏🐑 yep - sheeple indeed 👍
i would
I've experienced this driving my wife's car when it had a P plate on it. Other drivers mug you left, right and centre because they think you're going to be slow or they think you don't know what you're doing. They'll take silly risks that they normally wouldn't do if the P plate wasn't there.
The more people that watch your videos the better. My driving has improved considerably since watching this channel. I find driving much easier and more relaxing as a result of having the right mindset.
Your comment means so much. Many thanks, Ashley ✌️
3:26 - Ashley, I really must commend you on your mindset and how you teach the learner in the car that same mindset too - I mean in respect to being mindful of the size of the vehicle - how we as drivers should appreciate that larger vehicles need space - but not only that - how you then go on to explain about being mindful of traffic flow. If only everyone thinks like this.
Absolutely right about the timings for bus drivers and it does get stressful when you’re trying to keep to time and sadly not many other road users will let a bus out that has to use both sides of the road to do so, so yeah we do force our way out eventually or we’d never get anywhere……
I just dont get it ... personally I always give learners more space. We were all learners once but some people forget that.
As a learner, I give learners more space.
From a learner : thank you, I do the same
they don't forget. they think learners keep every rule and rather chicken out so they can do whatever they want. againts experienced drivers they know they can't do it because the other party wouldn't let it (sadly it sometimes leads to accidents)
I always give them space but not because i want them to feel comfortable, its protect my own car :)
me too, even before i passed, i always give them more space. then there’s less pressure and chance of them making a mistake. i was always grateful when people did that to me instead of climbing right up my back on hill starts etc!
Behaviour like this from other drivers when I was a learner is why I decided never to put P plates on when I passed my test.
Yeah, it's really sad that instead of people being patient with new drivers, people use it as an excuse to bully them and treat them badly 😔
@@jadedshade Totally agree, I had them on for a few days after passing, as I thought "this will help people be a bit more patient with me, as I'm new". Mistake. Just seemed to cause a lot of grief, and if anything it made people more impatient. I took the P plates off and that grief basically went away.
I think what this series does is allows all of us who think we're pretty good drivers to realise that sometimes we're wrong from time to time, and it allows us to consider an alternative perspective which should ultimately make us better road users in the future. Thanks for the education!
Not many are intelligent or self aware enough to come to this conclusion Andy. Full credit to you! I try to have the same thought process when I watch even my own videos back, "What can I do better next time?" Regards, Ashley.
I live in Australia and just the other day, I had an 'L' rider on his motorbike come screaming past me. I was doing the speed limit of 90kph and he would have been doing at least 110kph. I beeped my horn towards him as he went past and to his credit, he did not gesture back. we stopped at the traffic lights and he asked me why I beeped him. I asked him to pull to the side of the road so we could talk. After 5 minutes of explaining how my mate was killed doing pretty much the same thing, he seemed remorseful and thanked me for taking the time to talk with him. He went on his way, but in a more safer manner.
I love how calm you are and the positive feed back to your students.
I had to take my P plates off was a nightmare soon as they came off never had an issue of beeping or people dangerously overtaking me
I always advise anyone who has just passed their test to never bother with P plates. They are simply a beacon for idiots to bully and intimidate.
@@fishmeister2625 agree doesn't help with confidence either when your barraged with beeps etc
Don’t bother with p plates I took mine off after 1 day.
I kept mine on for two years and regret it so so much. Noticed the day I took them off the harassment/intimidation decreased significantly. Ofc, there are days where I still make mistakes and come back to driving school videos to improve my driving. If only people weren't so entitled to the roads eh?
This Is some kind of car racism lmao
I think the bus driver at 3:20 was going to go half way and wait as the road to their right was clear, but seeing you slow he presumed you were giving way to him. Also visibility to the left in service buses is shocking. The door edges and assault screen make it difficult.
I remember as a learner getting overtaken whilst doing the speed limit. I guess people think learners are slow which isn't sometimes the case (My instructor told me off for always going a bit too quick 😂😂)
The reality is a lot of L platers are too fast, they don't yet realise the consequences yet.
@@TheMagnay very true, something I've realised on my street. The road is narrow with cars parked on both sides with a school and park nearby, speed limit is 20. My dad gave me a lift home when a kid ran from in between parked cars. It's a good thing my dad drives to the condition and was doing around 10 mph otherwise the kid would be injured
Getting overtaken isn't that bad imo, it's a lot more annoying when they tailgate you.
@@Chase19898 It can be frustrating when they don't indicate pulling out or in.
There are a lot of stupid people on the road. Defensive driving everyone. Stay safe.
Especially the ones where their cars are travelling faster than their brain cells.
Oh ok no offensive driving then *takes mini gun off the car*
1:26 I don't agree here. Sometimes you have to wait MINUTES to get out of somewhere. I'd rather make it so someone has to wait 20 seconds for me, rather than me waiting 3 minutes to get out. Sometimes you have to seem like a bit of a douchebag to actually get to where you need to go, otherwise you'll just be stuck in places forever.
Having taught both my children to drive, it's like driving around in a bullet magnet. One of my children was so shocked by an incident it put them off driving for 18 months. My thoughts to them, now that they are qualified, are "would you pass your test if you did that" (much like your comment about the police). It is very difficult at times to do the right thing and give way when you shouldn't have too, but just think I am the better for it and doing the thinking for both of us! Hats off to you, as you seem to have the exact temperament for the skilled job you do, keep up the good work and keep us all honest and willing to learn. Thanks
mate, i love your debriefs after these things happen. really supportive of your students too. love this.
One thing I've noticed with impatient drivers like the Pegeout who overtook you to go left is that when it came to pulling away at the lights he was slow. So often a vehicle takes the right lane as if to overtake, then fails to be able to even try and do that.
There used to be 3 lanes at the start of the M602 that merged straight into 2, and you could almost guarantee that if you took the 3rd lane behind one other vehicle, then the one in front of you would be the slowest of the 3 vehicles to pull away - therefore needing himself to 'ask' to be let in, and leaving you finding it even harder to merge back into lane 2. Also if you were at the front of lane 2 and tried to give the car in lane 3 time to get ahead, it often seemed to weirdly hover to the right of you then put its left indicator on when it realised it was running out of lane.
i can only imagine the person who overtook to immediately pull in is the same kind of person to leave the motorway from the outside lane and entering the hatched marked area on the slip road to get to the slip road.
I love watching your videos for 2 reasons. One for the usual entertainment purposes but 2 to challenge myself on how i would react to the situations posed. In the year and a bit ive been watching your videos its really changed my driving style, im less aggressive and let things thst would usually have caused me to get wound up, now dont phase me. Thank you and keep up the great work.
Never drive with P plates. People treat you as badly as they'd treat a learner but you don't have an instructor to tell you that you were fine and did exactly what you should have.
I remember being horrible one time, there was a learner in front of me who wanted a larger gap than perhaps another driver would want, so I waited. The car behind me tooted, and I was angry because that poor learner probably thought it was me. So I glared at the driver, and after the learner had gone I waited for an even bigger gap before going. :D
The problem with the failure to give way is that learners sensibly do not drive at the oncoming traffic. In this respect all the other drivers assume that you have decided to give way to them and continue. An experienced driver would have been a little more assertive and closed the space down quicker so that after the white car you only leave enough space for cars. The van driver knows his vehicle is too big and is forced to wait. It should not be like this but very few people wait once the "wrong" car stops or gives way and loads of vehicles are taking the opportunity to follow on contrary to the rules.
People are just sheep and if a car goes through, just follow through regardless. This is also seen if a traffic light is on red and a car goes through it - the car behind will also go through it. "Well, they did...." etc.
This exactly we have one of those points nearby and if I'm forced to stop due to a car being under the bridge it's very rare for any others to stop, even if I try and be quite assertive and start moving as soon as. I don't necessarily think this is a learner deriver thing.
The classic _I will just sneak in behind this car that has decided to not give way, they won't notice If I'm right behind it_ 😅
I remember having my A plate (the French equivalent of your L plates, if i'm not mistaken) and being regularly honked at on my way home, because i was "only" doing 75Km/h in a 70km/h zone, despite every single other car going the exact same speed, i was the one getting anger thrown at me, because people expect learners to be slow.
But the worst part was people tailgating me. Well, sorry buddies, my 50Hp 1993 Corsa can't go faster while climbing a hill.
Those same people were always slower to get off the line at green lights even after creeping for the entire duration of the red light, though, go figure.
As a bus driver, the guy should have waited I agree but your calmness and understanding of the pressure we are put under to keep to timetable is something I rarely see from people. We often drive for a whole hour or more and only have about 5 to 10 minutes to stretch out before going back out. If your late, the time you are late by gets taken away from that stand time so if we only had 5 minutes to begin with and was 5 minutes late, we would often have to drive for another hour without even getting out of the cab or having any type of break. So thank you for your understanding of a bus driver, it’s great to see someone like you explaining to someone else to show appreciation for us!
I was advised by my instructor not to put p plates on when I passed to avoid aggression from other drivers. It seemed to have worked
The Junction on clip 2 is a nightmare when your coming from the other direction. The amount of drivers that purposely use the left hand lane which is left turn only & try to force their way over into the left hand lane. Your a quality driving instructor, I love the way you explain things in a simple manner & as professional driver regularly watch your channel so I can constantly improve my own driving.
I was on a lesson yesterday, driving for about 1.5 hours, in that one lesson I got pulled out on 8 times - And almost got hit into the side when a car pulled out a junction without looking whilst I was directly infront. It’s scary how many people don’t follow the rules whilst learners have to stick to them and deal with the consequences of idiots around them.
I am a learner driver and yesterday I was driving up a high street with a lane for turning right only.
Going the speed limit I started to slow down so I could make the turn, then out of nowhere this guy comes flying up my left side, cuts in front of me and takes the right turn almost causing himself to have a crash with a bus. Lunatics!!
Not even from the UK let alone Liverpool and your skills has taught me a lot and assisted my driving, and overtaking then turning left a second later? Common occurrence here in Australia
Although I already have my driving license I still watch Ashley's video's to improve my driving. Keep them coming! 👍🏻
Same! I've been driving for over 20 years but still pick up useful hints and tips by watching these videos :)
Same here. Driving for nearly 10 years, always tring to learn
Been driving (or motorbikes) since 1990 but never stop learning and refreshing my approach with your channel!
I live in America, but still like watching your videos to see what sort of situations I might encounter while driving. We don't have learner plates, but you can opt to putting some sort of sign up that says student driver, although my parents didn't on their car, only the high school did. Your voice is so calming, it must be really nice for your students. My mom keeps telling me to brake way to early whenever we're driving and it makes me crazy. Whenever I drive, I assume drivers will be dumb, but to avoid getting angry about it I assume it's out of negligence rather than rudeness.
I'm amazed. The clue is the L badges and roof box. Slow down, give plenty of space and expect anything. The driver may have any level of experience so be prepared. Why is this so difficult? 🤷♂️
I love how you explain each situation and how to deal with it in detail 🙌🏽 excellent
You have my sympathies with this lot of gits. I had the 'privilege' of driving a car that was identical to a local unmarked police car some years ago. I felt like the reincarnation of Moses - the traffic parted for me. Although I have seen a git get ticketed for aggravated use of the horn (can't remember the exact name for it), most aggressive drivers are kittens around the law.
With so many bad van/truck/bus drivers cropping up on dash cam channels, I'm sure there is room for a UK commercial vehicle bad drivers compilation that specifically identifies company vehicles being driven badly, with the audience encouraged to contact the company and let them know what their representatives are doing on the roads and that it is being called out to a wide audience.
I’ve driven marked police cars on the roads while working for garages and dealerships, the difference in attitudes is incredible.
Well no, they wouldn't have happened if they were a Police vehicle, but not sure you can say it is because its a driving school or P plate. I am not sure on the white car blocking the road whether he would have even noticed that or even cared, I believe he would have done that anyway. I am sure it does happen, there are some idiots about, but from those examples, I don't think you can categorically say that they only took those actions because it was a learner. I get the Peugeot that overtook and then pulled in...that seems to be the mindset of "Oh they will be driving slow for me so I will overtake", the same for buses and trucks. Don't think people appreciate how things have changed with the speed of vehicles.
That said, really appreciate these videos though as there are always things I pick up on with these that make me think, and hopefully improves my driving.
Great work Ashley
4:50 - 5:50 I'm confused as to why you didn't just pull next to the curb on your right to let the bigger vehicle pass you. In my opinion you made things more complicated than it had to be. Why try to make that tight squeeze instead of just yielding for the time being?
Just wanna point out it should be common courtesy to allow/give way to a bus who wishes pull out from bus stop if indicating to do so. You should always be ready to anticipate what other drivers are about to do.
Is that the one with it's hazard lights on?
Slotting into small spaces on the opposite side of the road to help a larger vehicle is the best and most sensible thing to do at times. I'm also not convinced the Learner box played a part in all of those instances.
The driver wasn't asking for you to drive down the road either but to just slot into that space, but as he showed there was room for him to do so in this instance, my comments above refer to tighter spaces where it is sometimes better to deviate from conventional wisdom for the benefit of everyone.
I disagree, we keep left, so we do not move to a space on the right. Truck driver should have allowed Ashley to move into his originally intended space. If he'd been looking as far ahead as Ashley, (expected from a professional), he could have slowed earlier and had more time to assess the options, rather than grab the nearest option.
@@nigelcox1451 If that's the case you should perhaps say Ashley should have ignored the light flash and pulled in where he intended then instead of doing half of what the other driver had intended for him.
@@Peakwanderer Its an option, but the view to the truck's right may have been obscured, and the flash suggests he thinks Ash could pass through. Always a difficult call, like when you meet someone in a shop doorway and both try to let the other pass first.
In Oxford I had two drivers give me thumbs up and encouragement after completing a parallel park and holding them up for a few seconds while I did it - it was a small gesture but was such a huge confidence boost. After I pass, I'll make sure to give learners the same respect the nicer drivers in my area gave me.
I appreciate your understanding and communication about bussdrivers and heavy vehicle drivers pressure. Most prodrivers would love to be most safe ,good , polite and obaying laws , yet most of the time we can't fully. Due to road layout or other vehicles parked where they shouldn't , time and job prestanda pressure etc.
Great video as always.. I’ve been teaching this morning for 3 hours and already had 3 cars pull out from a side road and made us slow down .. you can see them double check and think it’s just a learner I will pull out they can wait
fair play you are very calm and give great feedback to the learners
I just passed my theory test yesterday and I'm hoping to be ready for my practical in a month or so. I'm 35 years old and some of the driving by others is unbelievable! I've got 2 clips from my dash cam when I was out doing private practice in my own car that I want to share with you soon.
The first one was slowing down for the red light on a crossroads and 2 cars jumped the red light to overtake me, 1 turned left - where I was going - and another turned right. The second clip was when I saw a bus trying to emerge onto the road and I slowed down when another decided to scream past both me & the bus on a busy main road in wet conditions. My husband was not happy. The sheer and utter contempt some drivers have for learners is appalling! This was 1 of the reasons that I stopped taking my lessons when I was 17. 18 years on and it's still terrible but I now can deal with it without feeling both scared and worked up.
I love your channel and these videos - including following Erin's journey from day 1 - have been a delight! Im hoping to be applying for my practical test soon but living in Glasgow means that it might be a lot later than I hoped. Lockdown suspended my driving lessons for 5 months.
recently passed a few weeks ago and while the test means i can prove competence to drive, its still difficult and as many people keep saying the time you truly learn. a P plate driver is still inexperienced like an L plate driver but the P plate driver no longer has a person with them to offer advice in tricky situations. A P plate will make mistakes, heck I know i have made a few already but Ashley's videos are a great resource and i find myself using his tips to improve my own driving and when i do make mistakes i make sure to review them in order to learn and understand why i made the mistake in order to avoid repeating it.
But people beeping the horn or flashing lights, or giving way to you when you cannot go because or other obstructions are really unhelpful. I understand if its a large vehicle wanting to turn in the road you wish to emerge from wanting you gone so that they can make use of the space you were using to complete their turn safely but in most cases it just makes you feel rushed, and rushing equals mistakes.
either way I'm going to keep learning and trying to improve,
"if you knew you were gonna go left, why did you overtake?" - every single bike ride I've been on ever 😂
Keep up the great videos Ashley. Always learning from your vids
It's a nice feeling, getting a "thumbs up" from a driving instructor - just for being a little patient with learners. I'll always let them out, let them merge. I couldn't give a damn about being slowed up, being stuck behind one because I always remember how it made me feel when I was learning .
However, here in Birmingham, the instructors need to be re-examined. Unless they are training future Audi drivers, as none seem to indicate when turning or changing lanes.
One learner passed me on the left lane approaching traffic lights - a bus lane that becomes a "left turn only" lane for cars at the approach to the traffic lights, then becomes a bus lane again once over the lights.. I was stopped for the lights as they were changing, the learner proceeded past me and through the lights, which had changed to red, carrying on straight instead of turning left, which becomes the bus lane again. Then proceeded for some 300 yards in the bus lane to turn at the next set of traffic lights.
We have an instructor on my road who, despite the 20mph limit , drives like Lewis Hamilton. Never indicates to pull on to her drive and has nearly caused an accident on several occasions by backing off her drive without looking. She also uses the bus lane, as I have observed more than once, instead sitting in traffic, with a pupil at the wheel.
I politely tackled her about it once saying "you know you've just gone down a bus lane?", but her reply was to mind my own effing business followed by a load of abuse and swearing, then accusations of - you guessed it - racism. All while the pupil was still at the wheel !
Hey, really nice Videos!
Just a question: in the Clip at 1:55 , shouldn't you give way to the Bus that wants to merge back in to traffic? In germany we have to make way in that situation..
Greetings from germany
Ah the dulcet tones of Mr Neal, zen driving instructor extraordinaire. Keep it up mate!
I've been driving for 34 years and I see this stuff on a daily basis. I don't think it's "just" because it's got L plates on it's just the way people drive these days
So many people just drive like spacks constantly. I’m shocked by people’s inability to judge distance. I have less than a year of road experience yet seem to be more competent than some others
@Cars And Rentals no you idiot I haven’t ridden a (pedal, not peddle) bike in years so do piss off. I have a car and a motorbike thank you very much kid.
@Cars And Rentals hello smelly man why haven’t you replied to my comment big man?
The standard of driving is dropping daily,
I say that every driver should have to resit their test every 5 years.
As a truck driver I see it every day.
Redoing the test won't change anything.
They're not stupid, they're ignorant.
I don't think retesting is the way maybe a mandatory course every 5 or 10 years once you've passed the test that should be that unless you're order to resit by a court I think
They seem to “dumb down” the test every time they “revise” it, I’m sure those doing the reviews take out the stuff they can’t do like reversing INTO a parking bay so when you pull out you have a better field of vision, doing a 3 point turn instead of doing a U turn in a junction or (reverse) parallel parking instead of mounting the kerb to pull into a space.
Yeah that's just what we need, more bureaucracy and bs to forcefully part us with our money.
Retards will be retards no matter how many test you make them do.
I had someone honk at me from behind while I was giving way in a left turn lane last week, like what happened to the P plater, it makes me just want to sit there even longer.
I got beeped at in my driving test.
I took a left turn (in mainland Europe right-hand traffic).
And there was an elderly pedestrian just crossing the road I was supposed to turn into. So instead of blocking the full intersection, I waited in my lane until I could go. But apparently the guy right behind me didn't feel like waiting 5 seconds. Both the instructor and the examiner threw some evil eyes at the guy when he honked his horn at me. But that happened about 200 meters before the end of my test route. I passed :)
I know exactly how you feel, I have epilepsy so not allowed a license and thus cycle everywhere, the way I get treated on the road is terrifying at times and although I shouldn't lash out at cars, sometimes it's needed to make them keep their distance, it does help that I'm 6'8". I have had many driving school cars follow me at a good distance and they get a thumbs up from me.
Busses in my neck of the woods have a sneaky trick that catches out the space closers. They briefly indicate and stop wide of their bus stops which stops the cars behind from being able to see around them trapping them behind, making it easier to pull away after picking up their passengers.
Hi Ashley - I want to say first of all that I'm a big fan of yours and your videos. They are hugely helpful, interesting and informative.
The only thing I would point out in this video is that I think at 2:55 you've laid on the horn and have covered it up with commentary (you can tell by the timing and by the reactions of the pedestrians on the left.) I'm not saying it's wrong to lay on the horn in this instance, because it was a shocker of a move by the Peugeot, I'm just saying that your reactions are also important and it doesn't always look good if you're trying to hide them through editing, because it could potentially bring other clips into question.
Other than that though, a brilliant video as always. Thanks!
I can completely agree with what people say. I’m currently learning getting ready for my test in October and the frustration is real with people thinking they can push me well personally out the way
When I was a learner biker having people beep at me and shout harassment for following the road rules really put me off riding for a long time. It's even worse as a biker because we don't have an instructor with us and being on a bike surrounded by cars is pretty scary anyway. I did eventually pass my test and now I don't get any of that harassment anymore.
Fellow rider (on L plates) here. Besides tailgating, I commonly face people rushing through gaps down the side of parked cars that aren’t wide enough for me and their car, because they think I’m on a bike and don’t need much space… scary sometimes. Ride safe mate
Nice u explained the pressure of times to your learner on the bus clip
"Rule 221
Large vehicles. These may need extra road space to turn or to deal with a hazard that you are not able to see. If you are following a large vehicle, such as a bus or articulated lorry, be aware that the driver may not be able to see you in the mirrors. Be prepared to stop and wait if it needs room or time to turn." and looking at the graphic on the GOV website I'd say the bus was fine to do what it did especially with the" be prepared to stop and wait" part
www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/road-users-requiring-extra-care-204-to-225#:~:text=Rule%20223,tram%20and%20crossing%20the%20road.
ashley new driver here and I never learned how to merge in turn properly. my question is do you always have to match the speed of the flow of traffic in the other lane to merge? how can you tell if a driver is far enough away in your wing mirror as to merge across? I was taught if you can see all of the car behind you in the middle of the wing mirror you can move across without hitting it, I thought id ask you.
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Hi Ashley, I know dash cams can be deceiving but at 1:57, it looks like the bus is indicating to pull out and there is plenty of room for you to give way as per the highway code.
The one with it’s hazard lights on? 😉
@@ashley_neal That's the one. As I said, dash cam can be deceptive, apologies. Thanks for the reply, I do enjoy your videos.
No worries whatsoever 👍🏼 Thanks for watching
I can assure you, this isn't just about L plates.
I had driver honk at me on a driving lesson on round about 3 week ago. He over took me after i left the roundabout and started to do brake checks on me and started to wobble everywhere.
We had to slow down realy far back because of his driving Antics.
I asked my driving instructor did i do anything wrong there. He replied i was fine the driver behind was just not patient enough.
happened to me on the last turn on my test, at a roundabout someone on the right who was indicating to go right so they had right of way, they just sat there, and the person behind me beeped, yeah because he doesnt know how roundabouts work you beep me...
Goodluck mate hope you got the license
i give learners the space they need, if they are slowing me on an open road i will pass when there is a nice big gap to do so, and with very deliberate actions so that they know exactly what i'm doing. but if i see a driving school car with only one occupant, i treat it with the caution that i treat taxis! many times i have seen appalling sometimes aggressive driving by driving instructors when they're on there own.
I don't understand P plates. If you don't feel like you should have passed the test why are you driving? I might be missing something though. Does anyone use p plates and find them useful?
We’re not pressured at all by my bus company on running times, if we are running late it’s tough we are late and they will regulate us. They would rather us drive safely and not rush! With the bus turning left he just didn’t look what was approaching from his left and went.
You are very calm and collected.
So I randomly found your channel, love it!
So a little story. My 17 year old son had about 5 hours worth of lessons before the start of the C19 lockdown. Of course, as well you know, driving instructors were unable to give lessons. At the beginning of June, he bought his first car that he had saved up long and hard for. So I started giving him lessons (I am surprised I had the patience to be honest but I did). I have always said that you should give anyone with an L plate on, whether it be a driving school vehicle, or a private one, lots of space and not crowd them.
The behaviour of other drivers I have witnessed first hand towards someone who is learning is quite frankly disgraceful. A few times I have actually wanted to rip the bastards out of their cars throat first without opening the window first, and I am not a violent person in any way shape or form. What really pisses me off is none of these people were taught to drive this way, its a learned behaviour, and they wouldn't act like this if they weren't in their steel cage (I am a biker as well BTW, we frequently call car drivers "cagers" for this very reason).
I think his instructor was quite shocked about how much he had improved when lessons resumed in July. Still taking him out regularly in his car, his test is at the end of next month. He's quite a competent careful driver now :-)
As a final note, not all of us Merc drivers fit the stereotype, in fact the worst driving I normally see down here in sunny Swindon is normally from owners of various SUV type vehicles, especially the Nissan Qashqai and its ugly sibling the Jukebox.
Yeah I remember this when in driving school... I drove 52 KM/h in a 50KM/H area like my teacher told me to but still people pass me. Or people dont give right of way.
This isn't L or P plate problems, these are arsehole problems.
I work as a Tesco delivery driver and these things happen alot. The most common is being pulled out on or stopped infront of but they things people do really blows my mind
People (Mainly Experienced Drivers) do treat learners and new drivers very badly and horrible but it is also young drivers do get treated very badly by experienced drivers. I passed my driving test just over 2 years ago, I was 19 years old and I was doing driving lessons from the age of 17 (reasons it took me that long to pass my driving test it is because of my theory test, it took me 9 times to pass my theory test, then I passed my driving test for the first time and also I have got a learning disability).
Also, drivers don't always say thank you and my driver instructor(even my parents) said to me that you should always say thank you if someone gives you away.
When I was doing my driving lessons I had few bad occasions with experienced drivers but main ones were 1) for overtaking me and 2) lorry deeped at me on the dual carriageway as I was doing 50-55 mph.
3 weeks after I passed my driving test and brought my first car( I had a P plate for 6-10 weeks) I was driving to Basildon to meet up a friend (I live about 10-15 minutes away from Basildon), as soon as I got to the one-way system I was going into another lane to find a car park (I am not familiar around this area), I decided to indicate right as I got into the right lane the woman behind me beep at me but I didn't how close I am from her as I was checking both of my mirrors, then after the traffic lights this guy in the white van pulled up on the right as he put his hazard lights on, I stopped behind him and then the woman in 4x4 behind me beeped loudly aggresivly then I drive around this white van and then this woman beeped me loudly aggresivly again. I tried to apologise to this woman and she said "ok", then I drive inside of the car park as I was panicking because I had two women beeped at me, I was trying to find a good parking space then I was going into this parking space and then I had mini car crash into that car parked up next to me as I was screaming and I've cried very badly (it was a tiny scratch It wasnt proper mini car crash), the woman in bmw walk up to me, she was checking if I was ok, she calm me down and she said to me that "none of these drivers should beep at you as you have not long passed your driving test, they should be more patient with you and please calm youself down for 5 minutes before going to shops I am not letting to go into the shops like this ", she was very nice to me. Around April last year (this was during morning school run) after I drop my sister off to school I got bullied by woman (she was in the range rover and she got two young kids in the car) as she was overtaking this fiesta as this fiesta gave me away to come out the school (this fiesta was going into the school) and the woman in range rover didn't see me I was coming out of the school, she stopped immediatly decided to bully me (the school only has one road so the driver's on the main road have to give away, this woman in range over should never overtake this fiesta), after this woman was gone I had to pull over and the woman behind me (she has got a little girl in the car) got out of her car, she calm me down, she has witness what that woman has done to me and she hugged me while I was crying very badly. I had to tell my parents what happened and my parents said to me "that woman shouldn't done that".
I wish people who have been driving much longer to give more patients to learners/new drivers/young drivers and treat them with a respect, If I see a learner/new driver on the road I always give them patience and give them extra space.
I do get really stressed easily and sometimes upset on the road and I don't like anyone beep/have a go at me if I did a mistake (we all learn mistakes). I always drive safetly, check very mirrors, don't go over speed limit and look out for road signs.
Experienced drivers should always be respectful to learner/new/young drivers and They shouldn't ever be rude, disrespectful and bully learner/new/young drivers.
Couldn't agree with you more, I'm an Adi up north and I see these things daily, truly sad that our pupils have to deal with it, highly hilarious when the other drivers realise it is us, the instructor driving tho and we just follow the rules of the road!
It’s the very same in Ireland. To make matters worse they recently passed laws that mean you now have to display ‘N for novice’ plates for an additional 2 years AFTER you get your full license. My driving instructor unofficially told me to keep a set in the door and offer to display them if I get stopped by police but otherwise to drive without as they make you a target on the road for other drivers. He also reckons it conditions everybody to blame the L driver or N driver if there is an accident, even if they did nothing wrong! It’s tough learning to drive as it is without other people making it worse!
I am usually an aggressive driver(manuals are so much fun!) but I always give a lot of space and never honk at learner cars because I was at that same place few months ago. You can drive aggressively while NOT being an ass.
Been around 7 years since I've passed my test - always treat learners with patience.
People seem to forget they were once in the learners seat
I love that saying you have "always be ready to make the situation better".
I’ve supervised a couple of relatives learning to drive and yes, people see L plates and forget basic courtesy and road rules.
I think that first one was less to do with being a learner. The van and the first car went cos of the learner, but the other three I think would have tried to push through regardless
I've had that happen to me in my non-school vehicle. Things do happen more frequently in a school vehicle, but that situation is more a case of blindly following the leader.
It’s a long, long time ago but I was a learner once, I think more people need to remember that they were too.
Here, 30 miles from central London, the bus driver's actions would be pretty normal. Suburban roads are so choked, it would be almost impossible to get a totally safe gap for a large vehicle to exit a junction when intrusion into the opposite carriageway was unavoidable. They will normally exit the junction when the lane they want to enter is clear, and then wait until someone from the opposite direction takes pity on them.
I remember my driving test years ago, I had to pull over to the side to let an emergency service vehicle pass, which obviously i'd never done before. After i'd let it go I stayed where I was while other cars were beeping me, the examiner gave me a major thinking i'd froze until he realized a few seconds later that an unmarked police car had his blue lights on but no sirens as the other car had sirens, after he realized he rubbed it out as he had a pencil with him and told me to drive on when ready. Was an embarrassing experience for doing the right thing.
The most relatable video I've seen in a while 😂👍👍
I'm happy to say my recent experience has been the opposite. I'm doing my driving lessons at the moment and other cars on the road have been really good about giving me more space than they would a normal car, and even had some people letting me through when they have priority (which my instructor said is actually dangerous and they shouldn't be doing it).
I had so many issues with other drivers when I had my learner plates on and as soon as I passed my test I decided that I wasn’t going to put P plates on because of the hassle I received with the L plates, needless to say I drove exactly the same once I passed my test to what I had been doing previously and yet I had absolutely no hassle.
Same experience here. the trouble is in my country P plates are required, so i had a couple of warning for it. That was better then an accident though. I was glad the day i got off my plates.
When I was in a driving school someone passed me doing 80km/h in a 50 zone and a different time a semi was riding my bumper and refused to brake down a hill and forced me to speed.
I hope someday all our driving school tutors teaches us the same way, explaining the do's and don'ts a driver should know. I once saw a tutor teaching his student how to cut a red signal in our place.
I passed about 5 months ago now just before lockdown and it's absolutely unreal the way some drivers have treated me whilst I've had my 'P' plates on. Dangerous and often pointless overtakes are incredibly common but also tailgating, beeping, pulling out and more. I'm not arrogant and am constantly critical of myself as a new driver trying to improve but some people will just see the plates and decide to abuse your inexperience and treat it as a free pass to drive like you're not a real road user and expect you to just be able to cope with how they want to drive rather than what the law and common sense dictates.
Interesting clips. Sad that you had to share them. The positive is how well your learners dealt with the situations they were in through no fault of theirs.
Intimidating a P plate driver is particularly bad as they could be out on their own for the first time without an instructor or companion for reassurance. I'd like to ask the driver of the Meriva - if that was your son or daughter out on their first solo trip would you be happy for them to be treated like that?