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PR-24 Spinning Strikes
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- Опубліковано 28 лис 2019
- A brief clip from our Tactical Baton download on using the PR-24 for spinning strikes.
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My grandpa was a cop in LA in the 60s-70s & recently I found his pr24 its so dope. Metal rod with the wooden handle
Lucky find! I bought one at a knife store that seems to made of heavy duty PVC/plastic with a rubber grip.
No, it was a metal "pipe", not a rod.
Baton Warfare we learned in MAA school in the 90's with the Miramar Shore Patrol/USMC MP's
This is my favorite weapon. Let me offer some of my insights.
The two-handed strike offers more power and control over your weapon, sacrificing speed and a free hand to deflect counter attacks. The one-handed spinning strike offers more speed, less power and a free hand to parry counter attacks.
When attacking with one hand, there are a couple methods to attack. The first resembles swinging hooks at your opponent. Hooks are very powerful but expends more energy since you are constantly torquing your body. You are not looking for a full torque, but a small efficient hook that is close to the body, enough to follow through with your attack. If you've ever been to boxing class, you can only unleash a number of full-body hooks before you start working up a sweat. The second is to chamber your weapon and extend at the moment of impact, similar to a jab. You will have more speed, range and endurance. With both types of methods, it is very important to 'flick your wrist' during the moment of impact and 'follow through'. I emphasize this important point because this increases the speed and power and stability of weapon during the attack.
Both methods can be used effectively whether the weapon is in your lead or back hand.
If your weapon is in your lead hand, your free hand will be placed in a position to support your weapon, such as switching to a double handed attack and blocking. This is a more defensive stance.
If your weapon is in your back hand, your free hand will be used more actively to probe range and parry any attacks, clearing any obstacles for you to land strikes. This is a more offensive stance.
To summarize, alternate between 'jabs' for speed and range versus 'hooks' for power depending your the situation. Focus on a good wrist flick during the moment of impact and follow through on your attack with full range of motion to maximize speed, power and weapon stability. You can switch stances to focus more on defense or offense while alternating between launching quick strikes and heavy powerful strikes.
I agree fully
Can share video of any? I'm just bad in imagine things
Los Angeles police and sheriff had the best pr24 baton training
til they started using their flashlights instead lmao
My great uncle back in his day was the only self defense trainer in the Miami FL police department (this was in the late 70s through the 80s). He taught taekwondo, wrestling, jujitsu, and PR24 combat. He also served as sheriff and has told me some *crazy* stories😂 Just visited him not too long ago and he showed me some PR24 combos and techniques and even gave one to me, so time to follow in his footsteps!
Edit: He also served during the 1980 Miami FL riots, he disarmed a punk wielding a giant club and took it as a trophy and had a “MIAMI FL 1980 RIOTS” plaque placed on it.
Very cool. Have fun training with it.
Good luck! Your uncle is a badass. I'm going through a Police academy up here in Michigan right now. We don't use P24's (thanks to the Rodney King beating giving them a bad look), but we still use the extendable Batans. I just came here out of curiosity.
A great weapon . Very verastile .
Agreed. Thanks for watching.
Very thorough explanation of technique. This is great!
I just found a PR24 in a surplus store in the original manufacturer package. I'm learning how to use it, and this video is awesome for that purpose.
Amazing. Enjoy the exploration. It’s an incredible tool.
Remember, your arm is a mechanical device - with leverage depending on direction - certain maneuvers fully capitalize on that natural human structure. In ancient times, it was capitalizing on this natural human lever system, that created the Atlatl. It is all related.
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Is there any advantage to the spinning strike over the two handed power spin? I seem to be able to return to form with the two handed one just as fast.
Only had to use my PR once, in pure defense - dude came at me while he was hallucinating, throwing "karate chops" at me. I used blocking techniques, and wheeling techniques when he grabbed my PR, both work well - and then, all of a sudden a nurse walked around the corner and addressed the guy, just as I was about to go into strikes... and that was that... he walked away with the nurse. Leaving me standing there thinking, "Dafuq just happened? Where's my backup?" - Reports out to DC and yadda yadda from there. It was a minor incident on matters of National VA Police stuff. Such a strange thing though, how he just went from "YARRGHH!" to "Oh! Hi Dave! (the RN)" and walked away...
Thanks for the informative video
LordCohliani thanks for watching
How would you compare single PR-24 with pair of Okinawa wooden Tomfas (shorter)?
Material-wise, there is no comparison. The PR 24 monpac plastic is almost indestructible. you can drive a jeep over it at an angle and it won't bend. It barely scuffs against a heavy blade. It tends to weigh more as well and is longer than most tonfa, so if you can handle the size it will deliver a heftier shot. If you're on the smaller side, you may find it too clunky. There are a lot of 2-handed techniques with the PR-24 as well which make it easier to interface with a grappling and restraint dynamic--which is it's purpose. It's stands for "Protect and Restrain 24 inches" so the design intent was to help you block force, go in, and tie the subject up. The hitting, in an ideal world, would be kept to a minimum. 2 tonfa by comparison are much better for a boxing type energy. It would not be appropriate for law enforcement since the goal is really more geared towards destruction. If I had to face a guy with hand-to-hand weapons in a life and death situation, I would probably chose 2 tonfa since I would have zero concern for minimizing harm or getting them into custody. Also from a conditioning and coordination perspective, I think the tonfas in a pair let you explore and develop your footwork and distance control differently, I dare say even better. If I was carrying a PR-24 professionally, I would definitely study tonfas alone and in pairs in my personal time to grow my ability. A bit of a wandering answer, but I love both and find it hard to just choose one without putting it into a context.
If someone could invent a mechanical punching arm so that you could practice parrying or ducking , I think they would make a lot of money. The only thing that might be comparable would be to practice parrying tennis balls as they are propelled toward you from one of those automatic tennis ball servers.
Many types exist
Never understood why the handle wasnt just used like the head of an axe to deliver pointed chops
You definitely can. In law enforcement it was intended primarily as a blocking and restraining weapon and strikes were colour coded by severity. Theoretically strikes were prioritized to the legs . An axe strike might look too aggressive. In a life and death situation however anything goes .
I gotta get me a punch bag for mine
Just got one of these today for $5 at a yard sale
@@irigby3357 Wow. Very well done.
Cool, now I can scream *WULULULULULULULLULU* drop kick and beat up a bank robber
That's would make the headlines!
Cant remember if this was why we stopped using pr24 and went to the expandable batons. 🤔 welp i have both so doesnt matter, 🤣 tbh i love my pr24 given to me by the sgt. Just need to hurry up and get into the academy
It definitely benefitted from more training than a straight baton but the bigger complaint was the need to remove it to sit in the car and then the risk of forgetting it in the car. It’s still used by many riot squads .
Kevin, I'm thinking about going back into Private Security (left the field in 2007). If I do, I'm going to carry one of these (my last was an ASP baton). My question is, would you recommend the aluminum version, or the polymer version?
I’m prefer the weight of the polycarbonate one. It’s just much heavier and has more stopping power. It is a little more awkward to carry and not collapsible but I think it’s worth the inconvenience
@@systemacanada So the aluminum version is actually lighter in weight?
@@Vladpryde yes it’s hollow and usually collapsible
@@systemacanada This is the one I'm looking at, and it doesn't look collapsible:
batonwarehouse.com/collections/monadnock-rigid-batons/products/monadnock-pr-24-rigid-side-handle-black-aluminum-baton?variant=15511974805573
But I do know which model you are talking about, but that's not the one I'm thinking of. Maybe they just screwed up the picture?
@@Vladpryde I’ve never used this one only their older collapsible one. They say this one is actually heavier so I would go for it. Monadnock is top tier quality and the creators of the pr-24
Is that a aluminum or polycarbon molded
That’s the polycarbon one.
It’s kinda of like nunchucks
No it is not. Nunchucks are 2 sticks connected with a chain and fly everywhere.
@@cupholder7758 i see
Ola
make's a good workout also
This weapon name??
PR 24
Mr. Secours - please don't take my commentary as a personal affront - If I came across that way, I apologize. I'm yabbering on the topic, on a casual level.
I think the big problem with the PR, isn't the core tonfa design and techniques, it is in the manufacturing. The "grip reset" - particularly after spin moves - wastes a lot of time when 10ths of seconds matter in a fight. The PR side handle is too long. I have relatively large hands, and the PR side handle still leaves me with at least and inch and a half of grip reset. With a tight side handle, it changes the nature of handling and strike stability. - The PR is mass-produced "floppy" while the fitted tonfa is secure.
And I do seem to work best in close fights, because... I don't know. Just how I work. Close, Intense, unwavering until victory, and the PR can really do some work in close.
That said, I am also a fan of the staff, for distance work.
No worries. Passion is what keeps us alive and every veteran must simplify and refine their arsenal. The extendable is also particularly light for spin strikes and I completely share the love of in fighting. I appreciate your insight.
@@systemacanada The expandables were lighter, and I carried a polymer expandable and an aluminum expandable - I preferred the polymer because it was lighter by quite a lot over the aluminum. That lightness probably contributed to my Newton's Laws problems. But, at the time, the primary dude for combatives instruction with the VA Police, Mr. Kellogg, was a big time PR fan. After he retired, we moved on to the MEB and the PRs went in a box into storage and eventual destruction/disposal/to the officers themselves. My standard PR went behind glass in my shadow box. Buuuut... I can still rock two of them ambi for fun - looks cool, but I'd rather other weapons first in my chain of "oh sh*t!" LOL
After running the PR for decade in the VA Police... the spins are jokes. Fancy swirls that have a serious problem with Newton's Second Law. "Hooking" techniques, also worthless. The supported strike 0:38 - that is your Bread and Butter strike. Hit the Common Peroneal Nerve - and you get the drop. Smash strikes to the collar bones, upper cuts using the short end, back hand strikes... Really, the short end is the best working part - it is fast. The greatest part about the PR, is that the striking surface is 360 - same for the expandable straight batons, but those are really just sticks. The PR, just with that simple side handle - is so much more.
Different strikes for different distances. Spinning strikes are great for long range but it sounds like you prefer closer range work. I recognize a lot of people prefer shorter hits but I disagree the spins are jokes. It’s a question of preference.
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They need to issue a nunchuk to police officers.
Imagine there were electric stun gun batons and then every single time other baton hit another one it looks like a lightsaber hitting another one with electricity going everywhere just imagine I'll be police Star wars
My friend, I think you are thinking of the first-order riot baton from the force awakens.
@@space2560 why yes I am talking about that why yes I am
I remember Boston police carrying them I thought it had a different name
The classical Okinawan version is Tonfa. Colloquially they are side handle batons. The most used by law enforcement are from monadnock and are patented as pr-24s but different companies have different names.
"Side handle baton."
Uhhh huh