I saw the Tonfa being used on a pretty drunk and aggressive soccer fan inside the local train station on match day once. Lots of shouting, lots of slurred „Come on then, let’s take this outside!“ and then things went really quick - the drunk dude lunged at a police officer with some sort of object. Might have been a knife, might have been a bottle - I was unable to make that out from the distance and the officer partially obscured my view. Next thing I see is the Tonfa comes out. If I saw this correctly, the first strike went down on the guy’s wrist or forearm, the second one on the side of his knee, the third one on his shoulder and a last one landed in the back (kidney area maybe) after he had started folding up and while he was already well on the way to the ground and howling. Everything was over in less than 10 seconds or so and the guy was probably regretting his life choices with his face laying in the dirt, one officer kneeling on his shoulder and another on his legs. My guess is that this drunken idiot got a bruised knee, possibly a fractured or at the very least heavily bruised forearm / wrist and a few days of being sore in the back as a souvenir from his attack.
Great video, but you taught sheriffs to hit subjects in the head? When I was in the Army Military Police academy head, neck, and groin were off limits and considered deadly force, and if you were caught using deadly force with anything beside your M9 you were going to Leavenworth.
Oh boy did I ever run into issues discussing UoF continuum starting as an MP through a brief city PD phase, and back - returning as a DACP for a while. - Deadly Force is deadly force, and if justified, the means of achieving it (weapon) - is irrelevant. That's the *legal* standard. The *Army* "way" - which I think is much more of a threat, than a reality - is lethal force is restricted to the use of firearms. Now... this argument with MP management (over the carrying of... pocket knives, no shit) was a couple of decades ago, and Policing has become "Law Enforcement" and I have no idea what things are like in the MP world today. When I transferred to Veterans Affairs - *they issued us knives!* So much shit that the MP Corps is just dumb about... and in my experience, it was mostly fuck-fuck games, played by bored command officers. Very little of it applies in "the real world."
I jis learn in class u can't go above the waist wen is it ok to do this serious ? It seems more effective this way then what there teaching in my security class
I pretty much don't use any of the "spin" techniques - unless it is to transition from short end hold, to long end hold. I have found that full power spin strikes do funky things on impact, and usage as a "sweeping" type block, seems to work better for me - as an individual. All weapon use is as an individual - a pretty good mindset for me; one that I (try) to keep while learning, and instructing: learn the whole thing, and then focus on the parts that work best for the individual. I think the biggest problem with the PR-24 (and the single tonfa, in general) - is that "it" is supposed to be "they" - used as a pair. Obviously we have developed some effective techniques, but it's really not how they were designed for use from the beginning. We do a lot of unnecessary exposure and use of our off-hand for blocking and grappling techniques, when there's supposed to be another tonfa there. While I have my nostalgia affection for the PR-24, I think it is a tool that is well past it's prime. The image alone, is bad for business - too closely associated with police brutality. I'm actually surprised any agencies still carry it. But, Oakland still carries wooden truncheons... must be a Cali thing. 😄
See Okinawa kobudo. If you know kickboxing (Duch is Kiokushin + boxing) then not far away from Kiokushin-Kan (uses weapons including Tonfa). I.e. very interrelated and transferable skills
HI I seem to recall you made a few martial arts dvds? well maybe you can answer a question for me please i discovered there is a mini cane that is the same size as the tonfa I am told it was supposed to be an alternative but it was never very popular my question is if I was going to use such a device do you think there would be tactical advantage to having a metal dome tip at the tip of the cane ? thoughts please thank you.
There is a fine legal line between, "walking stick" and "weapon." Check with your state, county, and municipal laws - *FIRST.* Just because you can buy it, even own it, doesn't always mean you can *possess* it. [I honestly think such laws are... a bit too tyrannical.] That said, you may find out that you *are* allowed to legally possess an actual baton, in which case - I'd go with an expandable straight baton, like an ASP. As for a metal cap, or other mods? Probably wise not to modify the original design, especially from a legal perspective, and from a design perspective - altering it could weaken the structural integrity.
All od three moves would be highly illegal for police or security personel where i live. They are issued tonfas anyway, which are dead weight on their belt. Straight com-block style rubber batons would be better choice i believe.
@@joshuareingold3466According to my knowledge tonfa is also used in China what we called it 柺，it's one of the 18 main weapons. It always used in the left hand & with a sabre in the right hand.
Damn thats fucked up if someone ever did this on an actual person's body. All them moves would hurt and the Jan to the side of neck could cause permanent nerve damage
people of you watch this many times you see him hit the red zones of the body that are deadly strikes in alot of states in less that person has a knife or club can you hit the head neck and chest otherwise you open your self and the company up for lawsuits need to check your laws is all I'm saying. i found if you take the short end and jab it just right in the leg muscle works great for charily horses in the legs.
@@singkili7734 Poly-Resin - that's the *real* name, given by the company who manufactures the PR-24, Monadnock. In over decade of on-duty use - I *never* heard it called a "Prosecutor 24" - until this video. That is some "mall Tae-Kwon-Do ninja" horseshit thing that this guy made up to try to sound like the TV show, "TJ Hooker."
@@azhakh 1. I don't make videos about my melee combat skills but I would be glad to show you. 2. I'm not saying what you know and do isn't effective or deadly. 3. There are plenty of other people in the comments you could have responded to, but I'm so grateful you responded to only me. 4. I legally can't possess melee or firearms right now. 5.The only thing I can show you is how to use tonfas in a legal non deadly aspect. Read your comments. You are using a police/military police issued weapons specifically in a way for deadly harm. Not self defense or incapacitating reasons. But when I am able to have all my weapons back I'd be glad to show you 3 specific techniques that are not as complicated as yours that may not kill your opponent. Edit: I won't post my video to my channel because that's cringe so I'll send it to your supporting email of your channel. Not as complicated as yours, and not as deadly. Specifically incapacitating. In the state I live in deadly force is not applicable, even in self defense. Thus why I'm not allowed to possess weapons :)
I have one of these batons, but I don’t have any training. I’ve tried to strike with them or even hold it along my forearm with the short and sticking out, it’s nearly impossible to hold straight. I’m not sure how you’re doing it. Maybe you have to have extremely strong grip or something, I don’t know. But I remember when I try to swing it it’s almost flopping around like crazy.
@@iMatti00 don't use his techniques unless you want attempted or murder charges. Depending on your state. This guy is trained but his ego is unfathomable.
I saw the Tonfa being used on a pretty drunk and aggressive soccer fan inside the local train station on match day once. Lots of shouting, lots of slurred „Come on then, let’s take this outside!“ and then things went really quick - the drunk dude lunged at a police officer with some sort of object. Might have been a knife, might have been a bottle - I was unable to make that out from the distance and the officer partially obscured my view. Next thing I see is the Tonfa comes out. If I saw this correctly, the first strike went down on the guy’s wrist or forearm, the second one on the side of his knee, the third one on his shoulder and a last one landed in the back (kidney area maybe) after he had started folding up and while he was already well on the way to the ground and howling. Everything was over in less than 10 seconds or so and the guy was probably regretting his life choices with his face laying in the dirt, one officer kneeling on his shoulder and another on his legs. My guess is that this drunken idiot got a bruised knee, possibly a fractured or at the very least heavily bruised forearm / wrist and a few days of being sore in the back as a souvenir from his attack.
Wow, amazing techniques,I would like to see more
The advantage of this weapon is how it closes the distance, without putting the technician within reach. make no mistake this weapon is lethal.
Great video, but you taught sheriffs to hit subjects in the head? When I was in the Army Military Police academy head, neck, and groin were off limits and considered deadly force, and if you were caught using deadly force with anything beside your M9 you were going to Leavenworth.
Baton strikes are pretty high on the use of force scale. Next thing would be gun.
Oh boy did I ever run into issues discussing UoF continuum starting as an MP through a brief city PD phase, and back - returning as a DACP for a while. - Deadly Force is deadly force, and if justified, the means of achieving it (weapon) - is irrelevant.
That's the *legal* standard.
The *Army* "way" - which I think is much more of a threat, than a reality - is lethal force is restricted to the use of firearms.
Now... this argument with MP management (over the carrying of... pocket knives, no shit) was a couple of decades ago, and Policing has become "Law Enforcement" and I have no idea what things are like in the MP world today.
When I transferred to Veterans Affairs - *they issued us knives!*
So much shit that the MP Corps is just dumb about... and in my experience, it was mostly fuck-fuck games, played by bored command officers. Very little of it applies in "the real world."
Pretty sure this video isn't a law enforcement instructional video.
I jis learn in class u can't go above the waist wen is it ok to do this serious ? It seems more effective this way then what there teaching in my security class
Last I knew, head strikes were not to be applied unless life or death. Same as when I carried a straight baton working security.
Thanks alot ....more technics to be more creative...... always keep it real
We were only thought like 5 techniques working for armed security.
I knew there was more to it).
Superb I learnt in very easy way
Thank you
I pretty much don't use any of the "spin" techniques - unless it is to transition from short end hold, to long end hold. I have found that full power spin strikes do funky things on impact, and usage as a "sweeping" type block, seems to work better for me - as an individual.
All weapon use is as an individual - a pretty good mindset for me; one that I (try) to keep while learning, and instructing: learn the whole thing, and then focus on the parts that work best for the individual.
I think the biggest problem with the PR-24 (and the single tonfa, in general) - is that "it" is supposed to be "they" - used as a pair. Obviously we have developed some effective techniques, but it's really not how they were designed for use from the beginning.
We do a lot of unnecessary exposure and use of our off-hand for blocking and grappling techniques, when there's supposed to be another tonfa there.
While I have my nostalgia affection for the PR-24, I think it is a tool that is well past it's prime.
The image alone, is bad for business - too closely associated with police brutality. I'm actually surprised any agencies still carry it. But, Oakland still carries wooden truncheons... must be a Cali thing. 😄
I wonder if there’s a way to adapt tonfas to a kickboxer form
I believed there is if you hold the handle and the short side is outward and long side inwards
See Okinawa kobudo. If you know kickboxing (Duch is Kiokushin + boxing) then not far away from Kiokushin-Kan (uses weapons including Tonfa). I.e. very interrelated and transferable skills
If only all Badguys would stand still
It's a joke LAPD use the Aetco side handle baton. Aetco has certified instructors.
Why do you need a 2nd hand to rotate 180 degrees?
You don't if you know how to use the side handle baton.
Some say the "PR" stands for "Public Relations"
Haha, that’s funny, it actually stands for Prosecutor 24, since it’s 24 inches.
I supposed it calls protector24.
@@azhakh I thought it was for "Poly-Resin, 24 inch."
@@wallaroo1295 I believe you are correct,it’d make sense seeing as their predominantly male from polycarbonate
How many inches is that Tonfa
How would someone get their hands on these I can't find any buyable ones anywhere
The pr-24 baton is available from several police supply websites.
Here in Europe, you can buy tonfas from the top Czech manufacturer ESP (Euro security products), which also supplies them to police units.
you can make them using a cut off shovel Handel, a long bolt with two nuts and some duct tape.
@@markstokes7110 yeah but I want a cool black one, I'll make that one anyways though because one tonfa is better than none so
@@-HappyMelt- spray paint and black tape lol. have fun
Strikes to the head?!!!😮
HI I seem to recall you made a few martial arts dvds? well maybe you can answer a question for me please i discovered there is a mini cane that is the same size as the tonfa I am told it was supposed to be an alternative but it was never very popular my question is if I was going to use such a device do you think there would be tactical advantage to having a metal dome tip at the tip of the cane ? thoughts please thank you.
There is a fine legal line between, "walking stick" and "weapon." Check with your state, county, and municipal laws - *FIRST.* Just because you can buy it, even own it, doesn't always mean you can *possess* it. [I honestly think such laws are... a bit too tyrannical.] That said, you may find out that you *are* allowed to legally possess an actual baton, in which case - I'd go with an expandable straight baton, like an ASP.
As for a metal cap, or other mods? Probably wise not to modify the original design, especially from a legal perspective, and from a design perspective - altering it could weaken the structural integrity.
The dome would aid in breaking bones.....fact
All od three moves would be highly illegal for police or security personel where i live. They are issued tonfas anyway, which are dead weight on their belt. Straight com-block style rubber batons would be better choice i believe.
Autocorrect messed with my comment *all of the moves
@@dm_9428 he responded to my comment but not yours what an ego this guy has
Very nice
Thanks
Thank you, sir.
You're welcome
@@azhakh Love your videos, always wanted to see how to use tonfa. Is the size of the weapon standardized or individual?
@@pdanokia2524 for me the length is one inch longer than my forearm when I grab the handle.
@@azhakh Thank You for answering the question. Greetings from Russia!
why is tonfa called pr24?
@@joshuareingold3466According to my knowledge tonfa is also used in China what we called it 柺，it's one of the 18 main weapons. It always used in the left hand & with a sabre in the right hand.
If you want to know history and applications - check out Jesse Kamp about tonfa explaining origins, Kihon, katas, and full force bunkai drills.
Pr - Poly-Resin 24 inches (name from original manufacturer in US)
Damn thats fucked up if someone ever did this on an actual person's body. All them moves would hurt and the Jan to the side of neck could cause permanent nerve damage
Excelent 🔥
people of you watch this many times you see him hit the red zones of the body that are deadly strikes in alot of states in less that person has a knife or club can you hit the head neck and chest otherwise you open your self and the company up for lawsuits need to check your laws is all I'm saying. i found if you take the short end and jab it just right in the leg muscle works great for charily horses in the legs.
Very...violent
It's not violent, and even if it was what would be the problem?
@@thechallenger752 It is and it is not a problem. It just hurts even watching. But it is ok if the target deserves it.
PR means Palka Rezinovaya
in English pls.
@@singkili7734 ПР значит Палка Резиновая
@@singkili7734 Poly-Resin - that's the *real* name, given by the company who manufactures the PR-24, Monadnock. In over decade of on-duty use - I *never* heard it called a "Prosecutor 24" - until this video.
That is some "mall Tae-Kwon-Do ninja" horseshit thing that this guy made up to try to sound like the TV show, "TJ Hooker."
Bro thinks hes stevan segal you could make all of those impractical movements less deadly and more efficient, love my tonfas
amazing, please send me link to your videos so I can learn a few things from you.
@@azhakh 1. I don't make videos about my melee combat skills but I would be glad to show you.
2. I'm not saying what you know and do isn't effective or deadly.
3. There are plenty of other people in the comments you could have responded to, but I'm so grateful you responded to only me.
4. I legally can't possess melee or firearms right now.
5.The only thing I can show you is how to use tonfas in a legal non deadly aspect.
Read your comments. You are using a police/military police issued weapons specifically in a way for deadly harm. Not self defense or incapacitating reasons.
But when I am able to have all my weapons back I'd be glad to show you 3 specific techniques that are not as complicated as yours that may not kill your opponent.
Edit: I won't post my video to my channel because that's cringe so I'll send it to your supporting email of your channel. Not as complicated as yours, and not as deadly. Specifically incapacitating. In the state I live in deadly force is not applicable, even in self defense. Thus why I'm not allowed to possess weapons :)
J'ai envie de chialer
Lol
Fcvn
LAPD doesn't use the PR 24 they use the Aetco side handle baton.
I have one of these batons, but I don’t have any training. I’ve tried to strike with them or even hold it along my forearm with the short and sticking out, it’s nearly impossible to hold straight. I’m not sure how you’re doing it. Maybe you have to have extremely strong grip or something, I don’t know. But I remember when I try to swing it it’s almost flopping around like crazy.
Practice, Practice, Practice,and I still hit myself with it on occasion.
@@iMatti00 don't use his techniques unless you want attempted or murder charges. Depending on your state. This guy is trained but his ego is unfathomable.