Boy Melanie's testimony is rather vague compared to prior interviews with Nate Eaton. I understand it's been over 3 years and memories fade but I think her motivation is that she's trying to minimize her involvement with all of the cult stuff in order to avoid being excommunicated from the LDS Church. It sounds like she was more involved with all the hocus pocus until Lori and Chad tried to have her cover up for them when JJ went missing.
I have had a feeling, about the way Chad was also trying to sell David Warick his house. IMO, I believe "They" (Chad & Lori) could have had a plan to set MG & DW Up. Since "They" knew where the kids were buried. ?? ¿¿ I certainly wouldn't put it past them! I think MG "woke up" just in time, even though I believe she knew a little about what happens when someone turns *dark*
haha, yes! That's comes second on the Bizarre Statements from Officers of the Court list. The first is from the Judge in the murder of Julie Jensen : " This case has so many penises"
Wow! I have followed this horrific event ever since the children were being looked for. I felt like I knew the basics of this case, but, there is no end to the insanity that is Lori and Chad, and the others that actually followed the immoral, and delusional things they were teaching. God bless, and guide this jury.
I agree. On day one, the prosecution has down the line showed us all of the moving parts of the conspiracy's, and the trail of bodies is shocking and shows a complete lack of empathy for any of these vicims. No empathy, no feelings of guilt, I now realize clearly how they just kept killing and lying thinking they were just going to never have to face the consequences.
Absolutely disgusting! What boggles my mind is if they investigated this properly in Chandler, maybe the precious kids and Tammy would still be with us 😞
They were adults well the youngest two were still living at home but they are old enough to look after themselves but Lori had JJ who needs a lot of her time and attention and she had Tylee a 16 following her around like a shadow now how can Lori and Chad get together romantically with that baggage that’s why they killed the kids because they were in their way
She’s probably realized how stupid she was to believe all the hogwash Chad and Lori threw at her. Are there really people that gullible in this world? She was all up in it and should be charged. The cops were far too lenient on many things leading up to the murders of these kids. It’s such a shame they didn’t intervene beforehand.
The prosecution is doing an amazing job, considering this case is so complicated. They are organized and, in my opinion precise, getting the main points across.
If that Chad Daybell “blessing” isn’t the creepiest thing I’ve ever heard. (And I’m a Christian woman.) That was TOTALLY Cringe-Worthy! These idiots thought the world was ending, So the evidence is deep and wide. They are cooked. Thanks to Nate Eaton and the East Idaho News team!👍
I guess I'm blessed because I couldn't hear almost any of what that evil sob was even sayingI think of mr. Dumbbell as The World's first Serial Killer Dullard and Mumbler in Chief He's about as dynamic as a week-old balloon, and yet this supposedly lifelong great mom killed her kids for him Smh. Pathological insanity, truly a folie a deux. Unfortunately, killer Alex didn't realize that deux meant *two* and that he was the folly, aka *fool*
55:20 Ms Gibbs’ testimony stated that Tyler was “ornery and disrespectful”. Could it be, Ms Gibbs, that Tylee saw her mother for what she is (a narcissist at best) and you were hated by association?
Tylee saw through the entire humbug and maybe even realized at some point that she was in danger, but she had no one to turn to for help. 😌 Half of her family was into the same bullshit as Lori, the other half (like Lori's mother and sister) would have never believed her, and the one person who would have believed her (Charles) was dead...
I wish she’d reached out to Colby or Adam or even Brandon. Who knows why she didn’t/couldn’t. But, yeah, I can imagine she sensed things were off. The way she reacted to MG doesn’t entirely surprise me, though I can’t exactly put my finger on why.
@@anaynierlpag Oh, I forgot about Colby, that might have worked. Brandon was Melanie's husband/ex, who knows if she trusted him (WE know she could but she maybe didn't...) I can understand her reactions towards MG as well. She was surrounded by these coo-coo-people, Melanie Gibb was one more of them, Tylee was fed up with it and showed it in a way teenagers do...
Tylee had the chance in the interrogation room where she helped lie for her mom, or at the scene of charles shooting. She could have told what her mother was doing to charles when lori decided to rob the account and run off to her next player dumbbell. Tylee told her grandma, what REALLY happened and they killed charles who then told Lori what Tylee told her. Then Lori decided Tylee was a risk she wasnt willing to take. Tylee wanted to tell colby when he asked her about it. She started to tear up and her grandma escorted her to vehicle where she then left. I believe JJ was reacting out the crime scene and words spoken during crime. I dont believe he was in the car at all. I believe that's why Lori left to school the kids on lying and got JJ away in case he said different than told. That's why JJ couldn't be around anyone really or talk to his grandparents because he was repeating the truth. That's when the BS was made up about zombies and the system rate of dark and light mumbo jumbo came into play for their own excuse for murdering off people for their own lying cheating scandal. Charles left his first wife and boys for mrs glamorpuss and lying murderer. Lori destroyed charles and got rid of him when done with, just like she lied about Joe Ryan with child abuse charges of the worst kind, especially if NOT true, so she lied about him and got others to believe while hooking up with ole charlie. Then he got dead to. And yea for Lori she has charles bank account which is fine and dandy for 14 years. Then she got bored and needed a new exciting life with a new idiot. I feel bad for what happened to all murdered, but. Charles gave the world to Lori AND her kids, but Tylee was lying about Charles for her mother. Mel Gibbs didn't murder anyone, and just because Tylee didn't care for the mumbo jumbo doesnt give her the right to be so rude to someone youve just met. Maybe she was jealous of the time Lori was giving to her new found affair and being golden saint of the heaven's and earth alike, but still just rude. And even though Charles was good to those he loved, and people in general, still left his first wife and boys to be murderer by mrs. Hotty MckNOTty.
I just realized listening to this that I know 2 of the women Gibb spoke of at the "castings". I will never be able to look at them the same way. Creepy. And My niece was friends with Tylee. It's all so sad.
Given what he's got to work with, I think defense is actually doing a fine job. His occasionally ridiculous objections are nicely placed strategic objections to disrupt the flow of the prosecution's questions I think...either that or he's just frikkin anul-retentive (yes, I spelled that wrong on purpose to avoid YT censors)
@@Carolyn184 seems like it's a defense against narcissistic injury to me. I'm not sure that there's any actual guilt there 😔. I mean, it doesn't seem like any of these individuals cared about the people "possessed", or world hunger, or anything but themselves. I haven't heard that they prayed for or did anything normal or altruistic or ever had a compassionate word or deed for anyone, not even their own little kids 🤷♀️. I mean even now after the kids were found dead, Melanie has never shed a tear or even had a crack in her voice for these dead babies, she talks about them like they were nothing but a pain in the axe. No wonder Tylee didn't want to be touched by her, look at what she considers "empathy".
She’s a true believer, that’s for sure. She just happened to be smart enough to see which way this was gonna go, and instinctive enough to protect herself
How weird to say, "Tylee didn't like me but I had empathy for her." I think there is a reason Melanie Gibbs wasn't liked in the way that she and Chad Daybell enabled Lori's worst behavior.
This Blessing feels like a pre-funeral, like he is totally preparing him for dying, but not just that, but feels like he is preparing him to be brave and take his own life, when he is called to. WTF
If she looks like a cult member; think of chad's greeting on the recording, "sweet Melanie", then she probably was/is. Also, chad previously told her that Tammy was to go on a special mission, it later transpires that Tammy is "dark", so I guess that chad's prior prophecy of the mission was a dud, just as any normal person would have expected. I won't start on his day of doom, the fact that he was wrong is perfectly matched by his "faith", which has history of repeatedly calling out a day for doom, and again, any normal person knows it is a dud, and the proof, if you need any, is that we are all still here. She phoned them up to make herself look apart from them. In other words, she's distancing herself, once she realised that she could end up on trial with the two friends that she "loves". She should be with her two friends, but not as a witness but as a co-conspirer. 😇
@@cheyanndoyle1688 You are entitled to your opinion even though you never bothered telling what your opinion was. What were you thinking Cheyann, were you thinking? 🤣
The way Lori Sits up in Court, Smiles, Chats &. Laughs with her Attorney's, whilst All this Horrific Evidence is being Presented, is just Astounding.☹️
Personal opinion: Melanie recorded her conversation with Lori to make herself look good! I believe "she knew much more" than what she told law enforcement . (Fear of implication) was probably the driving force for her self-serving testimony.
I think she's dense and annoying, but I don't think she participated in the murders, so I don't blame her for taking the opportunity to save her own butt from being prosecuted by making those recordings. That was really her best chance at not being prosecuted along with them and she took it.
I’ve known several people like Lori. I’ve called them delusional because they truly believe what they say. You can’t talk them out of their bizarre reality. If you don’t agree with them, they cut you out of their life. I look at Lori’s “friends” and certain family members, and I call them brainless and gullible to believe what Lori said.
WoW 😮 it’s unreal that other people like this are out there doing cukt like fringe creepy religion fantasies because they have personality disorders too! Lost souls with borderline personality disorder
Because she thought Lori maybe just might be telling her the truth. I myself have had friends who told me crap I trusted only to observe over a short amount of time they were liars. Hell it took me years of trusting loving giving and being loyal to my own family to have been screwed over, used up, and thrown out after I caught on. Mel didn't do anything but want friendship, believe her lying friend, and be drawn into a BS deal to have millions of people think your a lying cheating murdering helper who gets blamed for what her lying friends did. Unfair, and unjust. Its Lori And Chad. Their real helper was manipulated and used and murdered for his good in their eye deeds. He got his punishment. Now Chad and Lori's turn. Mel Gibb- not guilty Mel- polowski- definitely 💯%guilty. IMO
What would she have told the police? "Hi, I have a friend who says her son is a zombie"? What do you think the police would have done? I mean his father was shot in his house by his uncle, and what happened there?
Holy fucking shit-MG simultaneously trying to separate herself from Lori’s weird religion while in the next breath downplaying and normalizing the rituals she DID participate in has to be the most counterproductive way to testify 🤣🤣 she gets this annoyed exasperated tone when she’s correcting him about this insane ass theories as if the ATTORNEY is the crazy one for thinking she’d buy into the zombie bit. MG is too smart for that zombie shit, she draws the line at magic portals in Lori’s closet🤣🤣🤣that’s fine
I think the biggest thing her testimony has done is to expose her emptiness to the world. I didn't see how cold and self serving (narcissistic? Sociopathic? Psychopathic? Something in the dark triad) she actually is until this testimony.
She throws me off because in her old interviews, she spoke of the deaths so casually. There's no real grief or compassion shown. Everyone else in interviews is so disturbed to tears and she'd be there retelling things like she's gossiping about normal stuff. She isn't right.
It all sounds like Science Fiction, MG sounds like a loony when she speaks about these things. I would be so ashamed to acknowledge that I even listened let alone believe this nonsense
Lord does Melanie remember anything at this point!!I feel sorry for the court stenographer having to deal with all of her stammering and stumbling. She should have reviewed her notes before trial! Considering the gravity of this case, you’d think she’d try her best to ensure her recollections were in order for the sake of justice. When she mentioned that Lori may have know that she wasn’t the beneficiary on Charles life insurance before the murder….🤦🏻♀️. I really hope that they share the phone call from Lori to the insurance company trying to collect that money. She clearly did not know he had moved the beneficiary to Kay. Melanie at this point is causing doubt regarding some of the main motives in this story. If it wasn’t for her phone recording she would be jeopardizing the prosecutions case.
Lori's attorney said, "I'm still a little bit confused about what happened at these castings". 😂 Well how about ask your crazy client buddy! She's the one that came up with the idea and started it. She can tell you ALL about it. No... actually, she'll sugar coat it and not tell you the truth about what the REAL purpose and goal of castings are all about. That's why you are confused. You can tell her attorney wasn't ready for this trial since Lori wanted a speedy trial and doesn't have a clue what is going on. He's not familiar with the majority of the witnesses testimonies. I actually feel sorry for him. There's no way he's read the entire voluminous files in this case. There's no way he's gotten Lori to tell him everything he needs to know.
You caught that too huh??! I found it AMAZING. Yet she states she is always kind. Such flaws in her false beliefs and false religion 😒😐😑. Be well and be at peace.
I thought he was asking if she prayed to cast the dark out of them. Since he's basically made casting out to just be praying. He hasn't used pray in the traditional sense at all. So that would make sense why she said no.
@@mobileasaurus that's exactly what she meant. this statement came from the questions regarding the castings. and it was Lori/Chad who led them.. just goes to show they did not care about those kids at all, ever.
In her testimony she stated those dark or zombies are gone or dead. So why did she not know that this would happen to Tyler and JJ. She is a part of this.
When I saw the Netflix series I was disgusted. All the people they allegedly killed, poor Charles, she walked over this man’s body, took her son to school brought slippers and came back joking with the police like her ex husband wasn’t just murdered. I’m appalled 😢 then when she found out she couldn’t get his 1mill. life insurance because he changed it! I was like yessss! Thank God! Then used Charles account to buy her new wedding ring wtf 🤬
That life insurance thing gives me such a satisfaction! She thought she'd get million(s) but Charles kicked her soooo hard in the butt, right from his grave!
@@Sandra_HereToSeeTheDuctTape yesss omg the way I hollered and said that’s good for you b**** she thought she was cashing in after what they did to that man. Just disgusting
it clearly showed Charles was fully aware of what she was capable of, the police should have paid far more attention this case through out than the did..I hope huge lessons were learned and changes made to how they handle situations like this. There were so many red flags for the police all the way through and showed communication, critical thinking and documentation between departments is lacking.. example when Lori and Tylee were being interviewed at the station just before Charles’s death, they were being sucked into Lori battering her eye lids
Melanie says the last time she saw JJ was when Chad took him upstairs but she doesn't remember JJ coming back downstairs. That same night her boyfriend stayed in JJ's room & that she was in & out of that room. Where was JJ & why didn't either attorney ask this question? Was that the night JJ was killed & it was Chad who did it?
That song is so awesome Nate,it so awesome you have such a wonderful family, let's use know there is still beauty in the world, I'm so happy you shared that, God bless you and your family 🙏
Who in thelir right mind and heart could defend these monsters? Who defended Tylee and JJ or Charles when they were "eliminated " and their lives taken in monsterous violence?especially the poor children
It's his job..im .sure it's hard fo defend them.They don't have to believe Lori, they are doing what they have to do by the law. He is very soft spoken and he treats the witness with respect.
I agree with what you are stating, it seems like the accuser always gets more rights than the victims at least that's how it appears, I also believe that the Prosecution is speaking on behalf of the victims in this instance, lets hope they do the best job they can. 💕
Thank God for those who are experienced enough unlike Mr. Means & willing to defend evil. Because without them, being able to give the accused a fair shot, we legally & morally wouldn't be able to convict monsters.
@@maryammosavi269hey were literally assigned to this case as public defenders. They are just doing their job. I feel for public defenders as they get thrown some pretty awful trials, but everyone deserves a fair trial; which includes a defense team.
Being a Christian I'm in complete sadness that Mormon followers are unequivocally DECEIVED!!!! They are seriously on a broad path.......And Christians should pray for them, me including myself!!!!!
What gets me is that a supposed godly woman never bothered to pray for the children or anyone else that LV CD claimed was dark. She's careful to say these were L & C beliefs and she wasn't sure about them herself. I think she believed more than she's willing to admit.
You’d think if you were committed to a religion & you met people that were trying to convince you of ‘other teachings’ not to do with your faith you’d run a mile. For you then to befriend them & continue to associate going to the ‘meetings, prayers; you must becoming more indoctrinated & believing in those teachings. To have this knowledge with each death & do nothing; that individual then has involvement up to a point.
I can easily see how she fell for Chad and Lori's BS just based on my own experience with my family who are very devout LDS. My grandma especially has beliefs that are way out there. She hates that I refuse to be indoctrinated into their religion. None of it sounds reasonable to me.
Most organised religions are out there in one way or another. And many are just outright evil. People should keep their spiritual beliefs personal and to themselves.
Yes it makes sense why she was compelled from a Mormon perspective, although the beliefs and practices that Chad and Lori taught definitely outside the realm of regular everyday Mormonism. Because Mormons believe that God continues to reveal new information and that we should actively seek to have those revelatory experiences, it is understandable that Melanie would be interested in hearing about things that were "revealed" to Chad and Lori. However, as Melanie later comes to recognize and points out in her recording, Chad and Lori's experiences don't stand the test. Revelation that goes beyond personal application should have witnesses - other people receiving the same information. It should also have some scriptural precedence, not be completely out in left field, and generally invite people to do good (as in, the opposite of having affairs and murdering people). From personal experience, I was raised LDS and in 2017 was still LDS. I had family members who were followers of Chad Daybell and Julie Rowe, who tried to "convert" us. They told us the end was coming within a few years, and that we needed to collect certain items in order to be admitted into places of refuge to survive the tribulation. It took me all of two minutes to see that these people were off their rockers and not in line with the LDS church. Apparently Melanie was a bit more naive.
@@MsFitz134 good thing you were not as gullible as a lot of people they knew. It really sounds like they may not have had a lot going on in their lives, but they certainly had no issue gaining cash by criminal means. I recall hearing that other spouses had died unexpectedly within the larger group, with the surviving spouses moving on and remarrying very quickly. It makes me wonder just how much crime they were involved in or aware of that we will never know about.
That can’t be true because Lori only found out about the life insurance switch to Kay after Charles death so how could Melanie gibb know before charles died? I think it’s an honest mistake but she’s sure she’s right but we know from the evidence she’s wrong because Lori was so pissed when she found out Kay was getting the 1 million $ and not her and Charles was dead by yhen
If the Gilbert/Chandler police had taken more common sense steps to detain the killers who murdered Charles (namely Lori and Alex), JJ, Tylee, and Tammy might just be alive today.
I am trying so hard not to make too many comments about this case as it is pure evil personified. But jeez...that call Chad made to the mortuary was so FULL of lies it was UNBELIEVABLE 😒😐😑!!! Be well and be at peace.
I'd guess that Lori has probably always been a dangerous person with psychopathic behavior that she has successfully kept secret & able to semi control until she couldn't. Lori was good at convincing others because not many people have the prior experience of knowing or expecting such evil. Lori shows us this bone chilling side in her portrayal of victim, her description of events purely sick and perversely callous, her anti social behavior vividly evil. Lori displays the glib humor & comments to the cop outside the home after the murderer, joking about her neighbors & what must they must be thinking of her..."Hi neighbors, husband got killed hehe" & then the interview with police after Charles murder. She displays the superficial charm & she is very comfortable with long winded stories, fictional events, etc.. winded lies, she tells fabricated lies, tall tales, uses word salads, convincingly while others accept her versions without much protest, she feels no shame has zero qualms over trying to discredit Charles character, reputation, she going on with great ease, a monster w/a total disconnect from being human. And scarily, she is able to get away with this fairy tale character, easily & without much protest or skeptism from others. People believed her with her acting skills, her tone of her voice, all feigned & learned not real, Empty, a great lack of emotional bonds, connection. A disgusting shocking lack of shame in all things, playing the victim, lacking empathy, lacking care, lacking concern, lacking remorse, lacking guilt nor awareness of what it is to be human. Zero! Psychopathic behaviors, violating the rights of others, above the law, entitled, superior, greedy & narcissistic, shallow, childish fantasy love, calculating, self centered, arrogant, etc... Lori certainly has at the least, psychopathic (and more) behavior though I'm not sure if she would be diagnosed with this Personality Disorder
What a whackadoodle! Her phone call to Chad and Lori made it sound like she had come to her senses. But this testimony sounds like she's somewhat trying to defend this BS. This woman is so frustrating to listen to.
for a major witness, this woman seems to have done little preparation. you would think she would refresh her memory and get a few dates straight. (like the detective did) she seems shallow and immature. poor tylee was 10 times smarter than this woman and knew the affect she was having on her mother. why would she like this person. she showed no concern for tylee and J J. She could have saved them both by calling the lovely grandmother who would have dropped everything to come and rescue these lovely children. I really dislike her attitude. these middle aged women running round putting ridiculous men before their children. she sounds kind of embarassed. I hope she also feels guilty
I agree! I think she knew what was happening to the "dark," "zombie" people. She suspected the same had happened to Tylee, and she also knew there was foreshadowing that something would happen to JJ. She had deep suspicions, but she obstinately refused her duty to report what she strongly suspected. She was determined to prove Lori wrong, so she simply sat back to watch it all happen. She's as awful as Lori, imo.
If it’s said to the person being questioned it’s not hearsay. Hearsay is repeating something someone had said to another and wasn’t directly said to you.
@@bar9849 well obviously Idaho law/stipulations allow for it to come in. It doesn’t matter what you or me think it’s all up to the judge and laws in their jurisdiction/ state
What in the world is this defenses strategy? It reminds me of the Darrell Brooks case. It’s like the crossexamination has literally no direction or attempt at an alternative explanation. I doubt a person just tuning in would even beable to tell that’s it’s cross. It doesn’t sound any different then the questions the prosecution is asking. Theyre more like clarifying questions it’s BIZARRE!
This defense attorney is a real pitbull. He has a soft voice, but if you have seen this man you will realize that he is a consummate actor. He uses body language effectively and very broadly with stern and disapproving glares at the prosecution lawyers and his over-the-top number of objections. When this is over I'd like to see a list of all the objections he lodges. He is constantly slowing down the process with his objections. Sadly, he hits every now and then. I think the reality of the situation is he knows he has an unwinnable case. He is doing everything in his power to disrupt the flow in the courtroom in order to distract the jury in an effort to mitigate the damage to his client. I think the prosecution is up to the challenge, but it's going to be a fight down to the last second of testimony. This guy is really going all out for his client, as the law requires. Even if he knew she was guilty of the crimes she was charged with he has a legal obligation to provide her with a "zealous and vigorous representation". If he prevails every subsequent body that drops will be on him.
Melanie seems to be drugged - maybe to calm her nerves. She's a lot different than she was during her police interview. Of course, a lot of time has passed, but her recollections are so fuzzy that she seems sedated to me.
It seems like Melanie Gibb was working hard at being difficult and her memory sure is very vague all of a sudden ?? since she was very knowledgeable when it all went down. 🤦
@Ariel. Life in prison she will get and she can sit in a cold, hard cell all the while wrinkling more and mor and becoming more bitter. She deserves just that!
But you know what. Death penalty is just a vacation to the defendant Your taxes feed and provide for Them. Is better if she is jail and maybe eventually her brain will change a tiny bit AND IT WILL PAIN HER HER BLACK SOUL WILL HURT I know that
Thank you for all your hard work Nate have a very lovely birthday meal and a good rest from this evil work that goes on throughout the world over ( I have seen this behaviour in the church let alone houses ) it’s enough to destroy one’s faith 🙏🏼 there should be a law against this sickness
So Melanie if castings are for casting out evil why didn’t you and everyone else do that for Charles, Tammy, Tylee and JJ? Are demons different than zombies? She’s so full of crap. I can’t listen to her.
Just scratching the surface of evidence and it’s scarier than anything Hollywood has been able to come up with. Even if you combined Sleeping with the Enemy, Saw and The Exorcist; these Zombies Lori/Chad/Alex/both Mel’s/ etc hands down win Satans Favorite Franchise category.
OOOPS MELANIE ... you just contradicted that Lori didn't have a financial stake in Charles's death because Lori knew about the beneficiary being changed prior to Alex shooting Charles.
I recall years ago her telling Chad after Charles died that Kay was getting the money. She didn’t know she wasn’t getting it until she called the insurance company. She told them he died in an accident.
@@Carolyn184 that's what Lori said. I think Melanie Gibb had gotten her facts messed up. I was just poking fun at her undermining the prosecution's case.
And she would still get the money that JJ would draw from Charles’ death. So while not as much as Lori thought it still accomplished something in her screwed up brain!
The more I listen to this lady the more I'm convinced, She is a LIAR! Yes, self-serving, at that! I believe she knows more than she's saying, through the midst of her, "I don't know, " "I'm not recalling," etc. I know if I didn't believe or was in agreement with as much as she was I would have run long ago. I don't know she's just shifty and all over the place. It's so sad that so many had to die because of the untruths spoken of here. She knew a lot regarding practices she didn't partake in. IDK, Smh??? 😢
But doesn't exorcism want to just get the "demon' out of the 'possessed' and then the 'possessed' person becomes him- or herself again? Chad claimed the original spirit was dead / no longer in the body, and the physical body of the deceased 'original' would die after the 'evil spirits' were cast out... how convenient that they actually died - the ones he wanted to... except Brandon, who had a guardian angel, or just a bad assassin at work......
I had thought that Zulema said during one of her police interviews that Chad called Alex to give him a blessing on the day he died….. not dying two weeks later. Chad’s full of it.
I am utterly utterly gobsmacked at the gullibility, seemingly intelligent people living their lives and justifying their behaviour by medieval ( and then much later ) superstitious nonsense. I know it's in all cultures, in all religions....but come on! So happy to be a Humanist . Melanie knew Lori was going off the deep end......she recorded their phone call for self survival and good for her!
I am with you Polly! Stunning there are so many folks still believing in all the mumbo jumbo by religions. Daybell's Dumbells are just more proof of how dangerous and evil they can be....
Thank you Nate. Do you know who made the decision that this trial is not televised. Was it the judge, is he LDS? The horrendous murder of Gannon Stauch is televised and Gannon was 11yrs old so it can't be the age of the victims. Is this malignant evil woman getting special judiciary treatment because she and her cohorts are LDS. Interested to know as are many.
Personally I think this is the best way to do this. Trust me that you do not want to see most of this. I've worked in law enforcement for over 30 years and I've have had nightmares for almost all of them. You do not need to see autopsy photos. Hearing it is enough. There are just some things that do not need to be put out on the internet.
I remember the reason Lori’s attorney put forward was that the cameras made her uncomfortable. Yeah, can you believe that? It was this soft judge that made the decision.
I would have been ok with cameras just on Lori and the person on the stand. I don't care as much about the evidence. Just reactions, facial expressions and so on.
I'm 73 in May, and Lori looks like she is my age now with all those wrinkles. I guess that is what happens to you when you orcastrate the murders of all those people, allegedly.
(36:59) MG wasn't there when Charles was murdered by Alex. How does she get to testify, as if she were? Not to mention that she should be arrested, since she was into everything Chad and Lori were into, knew everything they knew. At the very least she's an accomplice or co-conspirator. During her chat with the police at the curb, after Lori returned from taking JJ to school and running an errand to buy flip flops, she and Tylee both said that they heard the shots but didn't see anything. They repeated this during their interrogation at the CPD. Both videos are available on YT.
Boy Melanie's testimony is rather vague compared to prior interviews with Nate Eaton. I understand it's been over 3 years and memories fade but I think her motivation is that she's trying to minimize her involvement with all of the cult stuff in order to avoid being excommunicated from the LDS Church. It sounds like she was more involved with all the hocus pocus until Lori and Chad tried to have her cover up for them when JJ went missing.
100%
She is trying to protect herself from prosecution.
Absolutely!
I have had a feeling, about the way Chad was also trying to sell David Warick his house. IMO, I believe "They" (Chad & Lori) could have had a plan to set MG & DW Up. Since "They" knew where the kids were buried. ?? ¿¿
I certainly wouldn't put it past them!
I think MG "woke up" just in time, even though I believe she knew a little about what happens when someone turns *dark*
Spot on assumption.
"Let's talk about zombies."
A statement I'm sure no lawyer ever dreamed they would say in a court of law.
I don't know how he said that with a straight face.
Idk how's he's asking some of these questions without laughing.
😂😂
haha, yes! That's comes second on the Bizarre Statements from Officers of the Court list. The first is from the Judge in the murder of Julie Jensen : " This case has so many penises"
😂😂😂😂
Listening to Chad's delusional blessing has been the longest 15 minutes of my life.
Same here I had to keep skipping it
They are looney! This case is so bizarre it’s almost unbelievable
Keyword: delusional…it was a deluge of delusion and swept up some many people. Terrifying.
That we can never get back 😒😐😑.
Be well and be at peace.
That was like a cringe endurance test with the difficulty set on nightmare mode. So unbelievably painful to listen to 😂
Wow! I have followed this horrific event ever since the children were being looked for. I felt like I knew the basics of this case, but, there is no end to the insanity that is Lori and Chad, and the others that actually followed the immoral, and delusional things they were teaching. God bless, and guide this jury.
I agree. On day one, the prosecution has down the line showed us all of the moving parts of the conspiracy's, and the trail of bodies is shocking and shows a complete lack of empathy for any of these vicims. No empathy, no feelings of guilt, I now realize clearly how they just kept killing and lying thinking they were just going to never have to face the consequences.
@@jc478 except for the intentional murder part sounds like someone else we all know, who is just as criminal and evil, and also, just as exhausting
@@Frenchblue8 exactly
@@Frenchblue8 Casey Anthony vibes?
Absolutely disgusting! What boggles my mind is if they investigated this properly in Chandler, maybe the precious kids and Tammy would still be with us 😞
Interesting that none of Chad's children were "Zombies"
I was thinking the exact same thing
They were not in their way and there was no money to be gained from their deaths 😉
They were adults well the youngest two were still living at home but they are old enough to look after themselves but Lori had JJ who needs a lot of her time and attention and she had Tylee a 16 following her around like a shadow now how can Lori and Chad get together romantically with that baggage that’s why they killed the kids because they were in their way
Can't help but wonder if her failing memory is an effort to keep herself out of the sh!t
I agree, I also think she's minimizing her involvement in order not to get booted out of the LDS Church.
She’s probably realized how stupid she was to believe all the hogwash Chad and Lori threw at her. Are there really people that gullible in this world? She was all up in it and should be charged. The cops were far too lenient on many things leading up to the murders of these kids. It’s such a shame they didn’t intervene beforehand.
It seems to me she should have figured out the kids were in danger and stepped up to save them .
How? What did she miss? It’s easy to have hindsight, but at the time, she should have thought her friend would off her own children?
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Y'all she turned tail. She wasn't going to save JJ but she. RAN hard to save her own hide. And the state allowed her protection to yak it up
What scares me is that there are actually multiple people believing in zombies.
No difference than someone believing they can change their gender and chopping off healthy body parts
The prosecution is doing an amazing job, considering this case is so complicated. They are organized and, in my opinion precise, getting the main points across.
If that Chad Daybell “blessing” isn’t the creepiest thing I’ve ever heard. (And I’m a Christian woman.) That was TOTALLY Cringe-Worthy! These idiots thought the world was ending, So the evidence is deep and wide. They are cooked. Thanks to Nate Eaton and the East Idaho News team!👍
I guess I'm blessed because I couldn't hear almost any of what that evil sob was even sayingI think of mr. Dumbbell as
The World's first Serial Killer Dullard and Mumbler in Chief
He's about as dynamic as a week-old balloon, and yet this supposedly lifelong great mom killed her kids for him
Smh. Pathological insanity, truly a folie a deux. Unfortunately, killer Alex didn't realize that deux meant *two* and that he was the folly, aka *fool*
@@Frenchblue8 LOL Yep, agreed
55:20 Ms Gibbs’ testimony stated that Tyler was “ornery and disrespectful”. Could it be, Ms Gibbs, that Tylee saw her mother for what she is (a narcissist at best) and you were hated by association?
Tylee saw through the entire humbug and maybe even realized at some point that she was in danger, but she had no one to turn to for help. 😌 Half of her family was into the same bullshit as Lori, the other half (like Lori's mother and sister) would have never believed her, and the one person who would have believed her (Charles) was dead...
I wish she’d reached out to Colby or Adam or even Brandon. Who knows why she didn’t/couldn’t. But, yeah, I can imagine she sensed things were off. The way she reacted to MG doesn’t entirely surprise me, though I can’t exactly put my finger on why.
Sad to know she had no one to trust!
@@anaynierlpag Oh, I forgot about Colby, that might have worked. Brandon was Melanie's husband/ex, who knows if she trusted him (WE know she could but she maybe didn't...)
I can understand her reactions towards MG as well. She was surrounded by these coo-coo-people, Melanie Gibb was one more of them, Tylee was fed up with it and showed it in a way teenagers do...
Tylee had the chance in the interrogation room where she helped lie for her mom, or at the scene of charles shooting. She could have told what her mother was doing to charles when lori decided to rob the account and run off to her next player dumbbell. Tylee told her grandma, what REALLY happened and they killed charles who then told Lori what Tylee told her. Then Lori decided Tylee was a risk she wasnt willing to take. Tylee wanted to tell colby when he asked her about it. She started to tear up and her grandma escorted her to vehicle where she then left. I believe JJ was reacting out the crime scene and words spoken during crime. I dont believe he was in the car at all. I believe that's why Lori left to school the kids on lying and got JJ away in case he said different than told. That's why JJ couldn't be around anyone really or talk to his grandparents because he was repeating the truth. That's when the BS was made up about zombies and the system rate of dark and light mumbo jumbo came into play for their own excuse for murdering off people for their own lying cheating scandal. Charles left his first wife and boys for mrs glamorpuss and lying murderer. Lori destroyed charles and got rid of him when done with, just like she lied about Joe Ryan with child abuse charges of the worst kind, especially if NOT true, so she lied about him and got others to believe while hooking up with ole charlie. Then he got dead to. And yea for Lori she has charles bank account which is fine and dandy for 14 years. Then she got bored and needed a new exciting life with a new idiot.
I feel bad for what happened to all murdered, but. Charles gave the world to Lori AND her kids, but Tylee was lying about Charles for her mother. Mel Gibbs didn't murder anyone, and just because Tylee didn't care for the mumbo jumbo doesnt give her the right to be so rude to someone youve just met. Maybe she was jealous of the time Lori was giving to her new found affair and being golden saint of the heaven's and earth alike, but still just rude. And even though Charles was good to those he loved, and people in general, still left his first wife and boys to be murderer by mrs. Hotty MckNOTty.
@Shellie you made a point
I just realized listening to this that I know 2 of the women Gibb spoke of at the "castings". I will never be able to look at them the same way. Creepy. And My niece was friends with Tylee. It's all so sad.
I'm sorry to hear that, like you I would find it cringey to ever see any of these idiots in real life.
This woman's never shed a tear for those children. Shes covering for herself period.
Interesting how we learn what lies Lori fed her lawyer through the questions he asks. Poor guy. It's a dirty job but someone's gotta do it.
Given what he's got to work with, I think defense is actually doing a fine job. His occasionally ridiculous objections are nicely placed strategic objections to disrupt the flow of the prosecution's questions I think...either that or he's just frikkin anul-retentive (yes, I spelled that wrong on purpose to avoid YT censors)
I was scanning the comments and read _Lori's Lawyer's been Lorified_ which I happen to agree with.
If the mother's of our country were trying this case she'd already be hung by her neck!
@@pinkarmadillomd 😊😊p😊p😊ppp0pa
No, he’s just a mendacious and disgusting lawyer. He suggests that every witness is lying or corrupt. He’s infuriating.
“Any objection from the defense?”
“Yes, your honor, because it’s devastating to my case!”
Right!!!
OMG! That so-called "blessing" is so evil and manipulative. I feel nauseous and completely disgusted.😢
Thanks for all of the updates today Nate. I can’t believe people don’t understand what Turn your mobile phone onto silent means. 😂
I just don't trust Melanie Gibbs. She is involved and knows more than she is letting on.
Definitely. There’s a load of guilt going on there - that’s why she’s so defensive.
@@Carolyn184 seems like it's a defense against narcissistic injury to me. I'm not sure that there's any actual guilt there 😔.
I mean, it doesn't seem like any of these individuals cared about the people "possessed", or world hunger, or anything but themselves. I haven't heard that they prayed for or did anything normal or altruistic or ever had a compassionate word or deed for anyone, not even their own little kids 🤷♀️.
I mean even now after the kids were found dead, Melanie has never shed a tear or even had a crack in her voice for these dead babies, she talks about them like they were nothing but a pain in the axe.
No wonder Tylee didn't want to be touched by her, look at what she considers "empathy".
I agree
What’s the back story on Melanie Gibbs! Married? Divorced? Kids?
@@bbe3034she’s on her second marriage first one was over 20 years she said she was unhappy I think she has two sons
So much evil, Gibbs imo knows much more than she’s letting on .
So she’s smarter than everyone?
She does indeed, thank God she had the recording or her testimony might even have been damaging to the prosecution. smh
Gibbs is just as wacko as the others.
She’s a true believer, that’s for sure. She just happened to be smart enough to see which way this was gonna go, and instinctive enough to protect herself
How weird to say, "Tylee didn't like me but I had empathy for her." I think there is a reason Melanie Gibbs wasn't liked in the way that she and Chad Daybell enabled Lori's worst behavior.
Happy birthday Nate! Ty for everything!
How did Melanie not concern for those kids when their mother was calling them zombies?
Zombies and dark and everyone who was a zombie or dark had died ! She also lied to police about tylee being with her !
Gotta love a trial where the atty says to the witness “Let’s talk about zombies.”
I don't know whether to pity or despise Melanie Gibb.
Playing at 1.5× speed is much more tolerable
Chad is a lying, sniveling little girly man. Hearing him on the phone with the cremation lady...🙄 SMH
This is NOT at all a boring trial 😂keeps me awake at night getting caught up!!!
I can't even get through 5 minutes without a commercial. I hate it. But thank you for posting the full audio
Defense lawyer sounds like the God father. 😂
He sounds like a nervous shy person to me. Very soft spoken
Marlon brando?
His voice reminds me of the guy in the State Farm commercials… soft spoken 😂
getn on my nerves almost want to not listen 🤦♀️
You know society is fcked when a LDS member is the “voice of reason” 😟
Stop spreading hate
Oops Melanie Gibb ... you don't know what a Freudian slip is ... foot in mouth
She’s not the sharpest tool in the shed.. she agreed that it was a Freudian slip. ☺️
🤣😂
.....right? And she fell on that answer quickly "right" she said bahahahahahaha
Yeah that was a tough one to hear 😅
Melanie is defensive, defiant, disrespectful. Interesting…
These people were pure evil. Hard to believe there's people like this in the world. Bizarre!!!!
Hard to believe yet their numbers grow daily.
This Blessing feels like a pre-funeral, like he is totally preparing him for dying, but not just that, but feels like he is preparing him to be brave and take his own life, when he is called to. WTF
Lori's starting to look like the cowardly lion from the Wizard of Oz.
I laughed way too hard at this!! 😂
🤣I was wondering who she reminded me of !
No Botox where she is
If she looks like a cult member; think of chad's greeting on the recording, "sweet Melanie", then she probably was/is. Also, chad previously told her that Tammy was to go on a special mission, it later transpires that Tammy is "dark", so I guess that chad's prior prophecy of the mission was a dud, just as any normal person would have expected. I won't start on his day of doom, the fact that he was wrong is perfectly matched by his "faith", which has history of repeatedly calling out a day for doom, and again, any normal person knows it is a dud, and the proof, if you need any, is that we are all still here. She phoned them up to make herself look apart from them. In other words, she's distancing herself, once she realised that she could end up on trial with the two friends that she "loves". She should be with her two friends, but not as a witness but as a co-conspirer. 😇
Doom doom doom - chads army
She is definitely a wacko but was just smart enough to jump ship in time.
Calling Miss Gibb sweet Melanie made him look bad and is cringey but he’s just cringey all the way around.Melanie is doing an excellent job!
IbnBahtuta, Completely wrong and stupid on ur part!
@@cheyanndoyle1688 You are entitled to your opinion even though you never bothered telling what your opinion was. What were you thinking Cheyann, were you thinking? 🤣
The way Lori Sits up in Court, Smiles, Chats &. Laughs with her Attorney's,
whilst All this Horrific Evidence is being Presented, is just Astounding.☹️
Can you see something i can't see
Personal opinion: Melanie recorded her conversation with Lori to make herself look good! I believe "she knew much more" than what she told law enforcement . (Fear of implication) was probably the driving force for her self-serving testimony.
100 percent. Stupid, but still shifty.
And she’s getting over on all these prosecutors, detectives and the FBI.
😂
I think she's dense and annoying, but I don't think she participated in the murders, so I don't blame her for taking the opportunity to save her own butt from being prosecuted by making those recordings. That was really her best chance at not being prosecuted along with them and she took it.
That phone call falls under the heading of CYA.
@@canileaveitblank1476 Absolutely!
I’ve known several people like Lori. I’ve called them delusional because they truly believe what they say. You can’t talk them out of their bizarre reality. If you don’t agree with them, they cut you out of their life. I look at Lori’s “friends” and certain family members, and I call them brainless and gullible to believe what Lori said.
WoW 😮 it’s unreal that other people like this are out there doing cukt like fringe creepy religion fantasies because they have personality disorders too! Lost souls with borderline personality disorder
They cut the Lord out of their lives and replaced Him with satan with evil and horrific results.
A PERFECT description of Mormons!
I dont trust MelaniyGibb! She was always around, she coulda told the police right away about JJ! Why didnt she?
Because she thought Lori maybe just might be telling her the truth. I myself have had friends who told me crap I trusted only to observe over a short amount of time they were liars. Hell it took me years of trusting loving giving and being loyal to my own family to have been screwed over, used up, and thrown out after I caught on. Mel didn't do anything but want friendship, believe her lying friend, and be drawn into a BS deal to have millions of people think your a lying cheating murdering helper who gets
blamed for what her lying friends did.
Unfair, and unjust.
Its Lori And Chad. Their real helper was manipulated and used and murdered for his good in their eye deeds. He got his punishment. Now Chad and Lori's turn.
Mel Gibb- not guilty
Mel- polowski- definitely 💯%guilty. IMO
What would she have told the police? "Hi, I have a friend who says her son is a zombie"? What do you think the police would have done? I mean his father was shot in his house by his uncle, and what happened there?
Always around? She lived in Arizona and Lori lived in Idaho when JJ was killed.
@@Cali-is-top10 Always is a stretch but she visited very often.
Holy fucking shit-MG simultaneously trying to separate herself from Lori’s weird religion while in the next breath downplaying and normalizing the rituals she DID participate in has to be the most counterproductive way to testify 🤣🤣 she gets this annoyed exasperated tone when she’s correcting him about this insane ass theories as if the ATTORNEY is the crazy one for thinking she’d buy into the zombie bit. MG is too smart for that zombie shit, she draws the line at magic portals in Lori’s closet🤣🤣🤣that’s fine
Best comment. Lucky the state doesn't have to rely just on her bullshit memories of what happened.
I think the biggest thing her testimony has done is to expose her emptiness to the world. I didn't see how cold and self serving (narcissistic? Sociopathic? Psychopathic? Something in the dark triad) she actually is until this testimony.
I was thinking the same thing.
@@mirzamay she is one of them!!!
She throws me off because in her old interviews, she spoke of the deaths so casually. There's no real grief or compassion shown. Everyone else in interviews is so disturbed to tears and she'd be there retelling things like she's gossiping about normal stuff. She isn't right.
It all sounds like Science Fiction, MG sounds like a loony when she speaks about these things. I would be so ashamed to acknowledge that I even listened let alone believe this nonsense
But that’s the problem, she IS a loony.
Lord does Melanie remember anything at this point!!I feel sorry for the court stenographer having to deal with all of her stammering and stumbling. She should have reviewed her notes before trial! Considering the gravity of this case, you’d think she’d try her best to ensure her recollections were in order for the sake of justice. When she mentioned that Lori may have know that she wasn’t the beneficiary on Charles life insurance before the murder….🤦🏻♀️. I really hope that they share the phone call from Lori to the insurance company trying to collect that money. She clearly did not know he had moved the beneficiary to Kay. Melanie at this point is causing doubt regarding some of the main motives in this story. If it wasn’t for her phone recording she would be jeopardizing the prosecutions case.
It’s one thing to talk about it, it’s another thing to listen to him…holy mother of mercy- he is so creepy it makes my skin crawl…those poor children…
Lori's attorney said, "I'm still a little bit confused about what happened at these castings". 😂
Well how about ask your crazy client buddy! She's the one that came up with the idea and started it. She can tell you ALL about it. No... actually, she'll sugar coat it and not tell you the truth about what the REAL purpose and goal of castings are all about. That's why you are confused.
You can tell her attorney wasn't ready for this trial since Lori wanted a speedy trial and doesn't have a clue what is going on. He's not familiar with the majority of the witnesses testimonies. I actually feel sorry for him. There's no way he's read the entire voluminous files in this case. There's no way he's gotten Lori to tell him everything he needs to know.
I agree with you 100%. Your average person who has followed this case intensively could have torn Gibb apart. He's got no clue.
Did you ever pray for Tyler and JJ?: No
You caught that too huh??! I found it AMAZING. Yet she states she is always kind. Such flaws in her false beliefs and false religion 😒😐😑.
Be well and be at peace.
I thought he was asking if she prayed to cast the dark out of them. Since he's basically made casting out to just be praying. He hasn't used pray in the traditional sense at all. So that would make sense why she said no.
@@mobileasaurus that's exactly what she meant. this statement came from the questions regarding the castings. and it was Lori/Chad who led them.. just goes to show they did not care about those kids at all, ever.
Yes, and she has such a close relationship with God , I don’t think!
In her testimony she stated those dark or zombies are gone or dead. So why did she not know that this would happen to Tyler and JJ. She is a part of this.
Oh, I believe she knew, she just didn't care.
When I saw the Netflix series I was disgusted. All the people they allegedly killed, poor Charles, she walked over this man’s body, took her son to school brought slippers and came back joking with the police like her ex husband wasn’t just murdered. I’m appalled 😢 then when she found out she couldn’t get his 1mill. life insurance because he changed it! I was like yessss! Thank God! Then used Charles account to buy her new wedding ring wtf 🤬
Kilt. ???!!!
@@sandralanphear8912 sorry *killed
That life insurance thing gives me such a satisfaction! She thought she'd get million(s) but Charles kicked her soooo hard in the butt, right from his grave!
@@Sandra_HereToSeeTheDuctTape yesss omg the way I hollered and said that’s good for you b**** she thought she was cashing in after what they did to that man. Just disgusting
it clearly showed Charles was fully aware of what she was capable of, the police should have paid far more attention this case through out than the did..I hope huge lessons were learned and changes made to how they handle situations like this. There were so many red flags for the police all the way through and showed communication, critical thinking and documentation between departments is lacking.. example when Lori and Tylee were being interviewed at the station just before Charles’s death, they were being sucked into Lori battering her eye lids
I hope someone is out there isolating and analyzing the whispers. 🤣 It’s like EVPs in court; I’m never sure what I think I’m hearing.
Melanie says the last time she saw JJ was when Chad took him upstairs but she doesn't remember JJ coming back downstairs. That same night her boyfriend stayed in JJ's room & that she was in & out of that room. Where was JJ & why didn't either attorney ask this question? Was that the night JJ was killed & it was Chad who did it?
I remember hearing Melanie Gibb in a different deposition or interview say that JJ had a bed inside Lori's bedroom too
no, Alex took JJ to his apartment. He never returned back to Lori's.
Pretty sure it was! I think Melanie knew a lot more than she says! She is one of those dumb evil incarnates too!
@@wildchild307 so they've said but they've said a lot of things. Who knows what really happened in that cult
@@wildchild307 Actually, they said Alex Cox brought him back and he appeared to have been asleep. They thought it was a tender moment.
Something about the way she talks about Tylee makes feel icky
Defence is struggling to find anything
That song is so awesome Nate,it so awesome you have such a wonderful family, let's use know there is still beauty in the world, I'm so happy you shared that, God bless you and your family 🙏
Who in thelir right mind and heart could defend these monsters?
Who defended Tylee and JJ or Charles when they were "eliminated " and their lives taken in monsterous violence?especially the poor children
It's his job..im .sure it's hard fo defend them.They don't have to believe Lori, they are doing what they have to do by the law. He is very soft spoken and he treats the witness with respect.
@@terryanglin6847 I actually find him to be a bit of a smart arse.
I agree with what you are stating, it seems like the accuser always gets more rights than the victims at least that's how it appears, I also believe that the Prosecution is speaking on behalf of the victims in this instance, lets hope they do the best job they can. 💕
@@basiahellwich3505 That’s because all accused are innocent, and are treated as such, up to being proven guilty.
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Thank God for those who are experienced enough unlike Mr. Means & willing to defend evil. Because without them, being able to give the accused a fair shot, we legally & morally wouldn't be able to convict monsters.
I feel badly for the defense team. They have been given such a huge task.
I will not be surprised to see Ms. Blake become a judge in the future.
I don’t feel bad for someone who makes money to get a murderer off. Bottom feeders.
@@maryammosavi269hey were literally assigned to this case as public defenders. They are just doing their job. I feel for public defenders as they get thrown some pretty awful trials, but everyone deserves a fair trial; which includes a defense team.
Didn’t JJ have a dog Lori tried to sell.
She gave the dog back to the trainer. It was a service dog.
Yes he did.
@@erickab8533 she only gave it back after the trainer saw that she was trying to sell it!
yes! and the person that trained the dog found out and got the dog back.
Being a Christian I'm in complete sadness that Mormon followers are unequivocally DECEIVED!!!! They are seriously on a broad path.......And Christians should pray for them, me including myself!!!!!
What gets me is that a supposed godly woman never bothered to pray for the children or anyone else that LV CD claimed was dark. She's careful to say these were L & C beliefs and she wasn't sure about them herself. I think she believed more than she's willing to admit.
@Charles White I don't know, Modern Day Saints running around with failed prophecy and end of the world books is more fun to poke fun at for me!
You’d think if you were committed to a religion & you met people that were trying to convince you of ‘other teachings’ not to do with your faith you’d run a mile. For you then to befriend them & continue to associate going to the ‘meetings, prayers; you must becoming more indoctrinated & believing in those teachings. To have this knowledge with each death & do nothing; that individual then has involvement up to a point.
I can easily see how she fell for Chad and Lori's BS just based on my own experience with my family who are very devout LDS. My grandma especially has beliefs that are way out there. She hates that I refuse to be indoctrinated into their religion. None of it sounds reasonable to me.
Most organised religions are out there in one way or another. And many are just outright evil. People should keep their spiritual beliefs personal and to themselves.
Yes it makes sense why she was compelled from a Mormon perspective, although the beliefs and practices that Chad and Lori taught definitely outside the realm of regular everyday Mormonism. Because Mormons believe that God continues to reveal new information and that we should actively seek to have those revelatory experiences, it is understandable that Melanie would be interested in hearing about things that were "revealed" to Chad and Lori.
However, as Melanie later comes to recognize and points out in her recording, Chad and Lori's experiences don't stand the test. Revelation that goes beyond personal application should have witnesses - other people receiving the same information. It should also have some scriptural precedence, not be completely out in left field, and generally invite people to do good (as in, the opposite of having affairs and murdering people).
From personal experience, I was raised LDS and in 2017 was still LDS. I had family members who were followers of Chad Daybell and Julie Rowe, who tried to "convert" us. They told us the end was coming within a few years, and that we needed to collect certain items in order to be admitted into places of refuge to survive the tribulation. It took me all of two minutes to see that these people were off their rockers and not in line with the LDS church. Apparently Melanie was a bit more naive.
@@MsFitz134 good thing you were not as gullible as a lot of people they knew. It really sounds like they may not have had a lot going on in their lives, but they certainly had no issue gaining cash by criminal means. I recall hearing that other spouses had died unexpectedly within the larger group, with the surviving spouses moving on and remarrying very quickly. It makes me wonder just how much crime they were involved in or aware of that we will never know about.
That can’t be true because Lori only found out about the life insurance switch to Kay after Charles death so how could Melanie gibb know before charles died?
I think it’s an honest mistake but she’s sure she’s right but we know from the evidence she’s wrong because Lori was so pissed when she found out Kay was getting the 1 million $ and not her and Charles was dead by yhen
If the Gilbert/Chandler police had taken more common sense steps to detain the killers who murdered Charles (namely Lori and Alex), JJ, Tylee, and Tammy might just be alive today.
They acted the way men act around a pretty blonde.
@@dareneq1 That is true. However, they showed preferential treatment towards Alex Cox as well which is unfathomable
Facts
I am trying so hard not to make too many comments about this case as it is pure evil personified. But jeez...that call Chad made to the mortuary was so FULL of lies it was UNBELIEVABLE 😒😐😑!!!
Be well and be at peace.
The amount of ads is killing me.
Fast forward to the end then hit replay. No ads
@@jcrawford540 Is this the case for all UA-cam videos? If this is the case I’m getting rid of UA-cam Premium!
@@DK-pl8xd as far as I know!
@@jcrawford540 Thank you for sharing this!! 💝
@@jcrawford540 what? Really? Thanks!
I was just telling my husband about this case. He said everyone in courtroom should point to Lori and yell "she's turned, hurry shoot her".
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I'd guess that Lori has probably always been a dangerous person with psychopathic behavior that she has successfully kept secret & able to semi control until she couldn't. Lori was good at convincing others because not many people have the prior experience of knowing or expecting such evil.
Lori shows us this bone chilling side in her portrayal of victim, her description of events purely sick and perversely callous, her anti social behavior vividly evil.
Lori displays the glib humor & comments to the cop outside the home after the murderer, joking about her neighbors & what must they must be thinking of her..."Hi neighbors, husband got killed hehe" & then the interview with police after Charles murder. She displays the superficial charm & she is very comfortable with long winded stories, fictional events, etc.. winded lies, she tells fabricated lies, tall tales, uses word salads, convincingly while others accept her versions without much protest, she feels no shame has zero qualms over trying to discredit Charles character, reputation, she going on with great ease, a monster w/a total disconnect from being human.
And scarily, she is able to get away with this fairy tale character, easily & without much protest or skeptism from others. People believed her with her acting skills, her tone of her voice, all feigned & learned not real,
Empty, a great lack of emotional bonds, connection. A disgusting shocking lack of shame in all things, playing the victim, lacking empathy, lacking care, lacking concern, lacking remorse, lacking guilt nor awareness of what it is to be human. Zero!
Psychopathic behaviors, violating the rights of others, above the law, entitled, superior, greedy & narcissistic, shallow, childish fantasy love, calculating, self centered, arrogant, etc... Lori certainly has at the least, psychopathic (and more) behavior though I'm not sure if she would be diagnosed with this Personality Disorder
Do you watch the Behavior Panel? You are spot on and if you're not actually one of the guys, you must watch them.
She's a narcissistic psychopath. No doubt.
What a whackadoodle! Her phone call to Chad and Lori made it sound like she had come to her senses. But this testimony sounds like she's somewhat trying to defend this BS. This woman is so frustrating to listen to.
Their beliefs are as if Mormons and scientologists had an evil child for the sake of John Smith & L.Ron Hubbard!
RIP Tylee & JJ!
♥ for Larry & Kay
Why is it anyone but the defense's problem they didn't go through the discovery the state provided??
for a major witness, this woman seems to have done little preparation. you would think she would refresh her memory and get a few dates straight. (like the detective did) she seems shallow and immature. poor tylee was 10 times smarter than this woman and knew the affect she was having on her mother. why would she like this person. she showed no concern for tylee and J J. She could have saved them both by calling the lovely grandmother who would have dropped everything to come and rescue these lovely children. I really dislike her attitude. these middle aged women running round putting ridiculous men before their children. she sounds kind of embarassed. I hope she also feels guilty
no trouble remembering fake scriptures tho
@@jackmanjack211more like why did she associate with Lori after hearing 1 crazy story 🤷🏻♀️ Lori is the one on trial not Melanie.
She is very nieve person. And this did happen 4 years ago.
I agree! I think she knew what was happening to the "dark," "zombie" people. She suspected the same had happened to Tylee, and she also knew there was foreshadowing that something would happen to JJ. She had deep suspicions, but she obstinately refused her duty to report what she strongly suspected. She was determined to prove Lori wrong, so she simply sat back to watch it all happen. She's as awful as Lori, imo.
So many assumptions. You weren't there to know how she was feeling or thinking
Interesting that there was no objection about heresay when Melani talked about what Alex had told her...?!
If it’s said to the person being questioned it’s not hearsay. Hearsay is repeating something someone had said to another and wasn’t directly said to you.
@@bar9849 well obviously Idaho law/stipulations allow for it to come in. It doesn’t matter what you or me think it’s all up to the judge and laws in their jurisdiction/ state
Also she replies ' right' when asked questions which usually judge will tell them to reply yes or no ..
@@tammyirwin703 Ok I get it now....thanks
What in the world is this defenses strategy? It reminds me of the Darrell Brooks case. It’s like the crossexamination has literally no direction or attempt at an alternative explanation. I doubt a person just tuning in would even beable to tell that’s it’s cross. It doesn’t sound any different then the questions the prosecution is asking. Theyre more like clarifying questions it’s BIZARRE!
I've been thinking the exact same thing.
Same here, and I think I understand why. Lack of preparation.
This defense attorney is a real pitbull. He has a soft voice, but if you have seen this man you will realize that he is a consummate actor. He uses body language effectively and very broadly with stern and disapproving glares at the prosecution lawyers and his over-the-top number of objections. When this is over I'd like to see a list of all the objections he lodges. He is constantly slowing down the process with his objections. Sadly, he hits every now and then. I think the reality of the situation is he knows he has an unwinnable case. He is doing everything in his power to disrupt the flow in the courtroom in order to distract the jury in an effort to mitigate the damage to his client. I think the prosecution is up to the challenge, but it's going to be a fight down to the last second of testimony. This guy is really going all out for his client, as the law requires. Even if he knew she was guilty of the crimes she was charged with he has a legal obligation to provide her with a "zealous and vigorous representation". If he prevails every subsequent body that drops will be on him.
What do you think they used to kill Alex and the other husband? Weren't they both ruled natural causes but obviously not
The Reverend Donna Seraphina (Medium) said it was some sort of box jellyfish venom?
The defense attorney's strategy seems to be to get Lori Vallow's conviction thrown out on appeal based on procedural issues.
Melanie seems to be drugged - maybe to calm her nerves. She's a lot different than she was during her police interview. Of course, a lot of time has passed, but her recollections are so fuzzy that she seems sedated to me.
It seems like Melanie Gibb was working hard at being difficult and her memory sure is very vague all of a sudden ?? since she was very knowledgeable when it all went down. 🤦
Once the judge ruled against the death penalty; perpetuating another egregious heinous act, there will never be any justice in this case. The end.🤬😡🤮
@Ariel. Life in prison she will get and she can sit in a cold, hard cell all the while wrinkling more and mor and becoming more bitter. She deserves just that!
But you know what. Death penalty is just a vacation to the defendant
Your taxes feed and provide for Them. Is better if she is jail and maybe eventually her brain will change a tiny bit
AND IT WILL PAIN HER
HER BLACK SOUL WILL HURT
I know that
@@cheyanndoyle1688
Yes
Thank you for all your hard work Nate have a very lovely birthday meal and a good rest from this evil work that goes on throughout the world over ( I have seen this behaviour in the church let alone houses ) it’s enough to destroy one’s faith 🙏🏼 there should be a law against this sickness
Can someone PLEASE move the keyboard tapping mouse clicker away from the mic⁉️‼️🤯🤯
It’s the court reporter. She sits in front of the witness.
@@Clogs2002 well hells bells I hope someone moves the 🎤 taping the trial since that’s our only way to see this case unfold. It’s so distracting 🤯
So Melanie if castings are for casting out evil why didn’t you and everyone else do that for Charles, Tammy, Tylee and JJ? Are demons different than zombies? She’s so full of crap. I can’t listen to her.
Just scratching the surface of evidence and it’s scarier than anything Hollywood has been able to come up with. Even if you combined Sleeping with the Enemy, Saw and The Exorcist; these Zombies Lori/Chad/Alex/both Mel’s/ etc hands down win Satans Favorite Franchise category.
OOOPS MELANIE ... you just contradicted that Lori didn't have a financial stake in Charles's death because Lori knew about the beneficiary being changed prior to Alex shooting Charles.
I seem to remember that Lori only found out after Charles' death when she tried to claim his life insurance.
@@annak1428 That was my understanding, too. I think the prosecution will clear up those details with documentation
I recall years ago her telling Chad after Charles died that Kay was getting the money. She didn’t know she wasn’t getting it until she called the insurance company. She told them he died in an accident.
@@Carolyn184 that's what Lori said. I think Melanie Gibb had gotten her facts messed up. I was just poking fun at her undermining the prosecution's case.
And she would still get the money that JJ would draw from Charles’ death. So while not as much as Lori thought it still accomplished something in her screwed up brain!
The more I listen to this lady the more I'm convinced, She is a LIAR! Yes, self-serving, at that!
I believe she knows more than she's saying, through the midst of her, "I don't know, " "I'm not recalling," etc.
I know if I didn't believe or was in agreement with as much as she was I would have run long ago.
I don't know she's just shifty and all over the place.
It's so sad that so many had to die because of the untruths spoken of here. She knew a lot regarding practices she didn't partake in. IDK, Smh??? 😢
Melanie should be prosecuted as a conspirator
Casting was obviously a form of exorcism, just say it
Yes exactly that !👍🏼
But doesn't exorcism want to just get the "demon' out of the 'possessed' and then the 'possessed' person becomes him- or herself again? Chad claimed the original spirit was dead / no longer in the body, and the physical body of the deceased 'original' would die after the 'evil spirits' were cast out... how convenient that they actually died - the ones he wanted to... except Brandon, who had a guardian angel, or just a bad assassin at work......
It was a front for impending murder
@@EmmaKnightleyNo1 As I said, a FORM of exorcism. No point trying to understand them 🤷😂
The defense attorney is actually kind and respectful. It’s refreshing.
I feel for the guy. I’m sure he feels that she’s guilty too and just doing his job trying to get through it.
Lol. He’s a disgrace.
I think it’s more passive aggressive than kind and respectful.
I had thought that Zulema said during one of her police interviews that Chad called Alex to give him a blessing on the day he died….. not dying two weeks later. Chad’s full of it.
They were different blessings. The last one was very very suspicious.
I am utterly utterly gobsmacked at the gullibility, seemingly intelligent people living their lives and justifying their behaviour by medieval ( and then much later ) superstitious nonsense. I know it's in all cultures, in all religions....but come on! So happy to be a Humanist .
Melanie knew Lori was going off the deep end......she recorded their phone call for self survival and good for her!
I am with you Polly! Stunning there are so many folks still believing in all the mumbo jumbo by religions. Daybell's Dumbells are just more proof of how dangerous and evil they can be....
So are they going to read any of the contents of text conversations? Will the jury have transcripts of them to review? How does that come in?
They will see them on the screen as they are admitted into evidence and published to the jury.
He sounds like Warren Jeff's
Mormonism being exposed
Thank you Nate. Do you know who made the decision that this trial is not televised. Was it the judge, is he LDS? The horrendous murder of Gannon Stauch is televised and Gannon was 11yrs old so it can't be the age of the victims. Is this malignant evil woman getting special judiciary treatment because she and her cohorts are LDS. Interested to know as are many.
Personally I think this is the best way to do this. Trust me that you do not want to see most of this. I've worked in law enforcement for over 30 years and I've have had nightmares for almost all of them. You do not need to see autopsy photos. Hearing it is enough. There are just some things that do not need to be put out on the internet.
I remember the reason Lori’s attorney put forward was that the cameras made her uncomfortable. Yeah, can you believe that? It was this soft judge that made the decision.
Crime Talk UA-cam is live streaming the trial of Letecia Stauch.
I would have been ok with cameras just on Lori and the person on the stand. I don't care as much about the evidence. Just reactions, facial expressions and so on.
I thought they live-streamed the preliminaries?
I can't stand Thomas or Archibalds voices. Especially on the mics with the breathing and breathy voices.
They both sound alarmingly unhealthy. I’m trying not to be distracted by it…and so far I’m failing 🤷🏻♀️
They have no personality,
could there possibly any more commercials ???
That blessing sounds like a NIGHTMARE! His voice is spooooooky.
Temples. Special missions. Spirits leaving the body. Prayers. Blessings. God. Evil. Zombies. These people are nuts!
Yeah just a wako religion like scientology 🤪
@@juliecurtis9162 Like the Mormons.
I'm 73 in May, and Lori looks like she is my age now with all those wrinkles. I guess that is what happens to you when you orcastrate the murders of all those people, allegedly.
(36:59) MG wasn't there when Charles was murdered by Alex. How does she get to testify, as if she were? Not to mention that she should be arrested, since she was into everything Chad and Lori were into, knew everything they knew. At the very least she's an accomplice or co-conspirator.
During her chat with the police at the curb, after Lori returned from taking JJ to school and running an errand to buy flip flops, she and Tylee both said that they heard the shots but didn't see anything. They repeated this during their interrogation at the CPD. Both videos are available on YT.
She’s allowed to say what Lori told her about Charles death but
I bet come Chads trial Melanie remembers so much more