LISTEN | PART 1: Day 9 of Lori Vallow Daybell trial
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
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Here is part one of the audio recording from the ninth day of Lori Vallow Daybell's trial. Melanie Gibb and Chandler Det. Nathan Duncan took the stand.
Part two will be posted as a separate video.
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Melanie G irritates the hell out of me. She's so embarrassed now, to have gotten carried away with Lori and chad, that she tries to distance herself from it all as she tells her story. I think she knew more at the time, and was fine, till the cops called her. Then she backpedaled hard!
She's not embarrassed, I don't think. She's trying to distance herself to stay out of prison. It's clear she was deeply involved.
Melanie's testimony is so valuable. At the same time, all of her dissembling and "searching" her memory about dates and activities is infuriating. She *has* to know the exact timeline of events! It's probably the main thing she's thought about for three years, and she's told this stort many times. It's obvious that she's uncomfortable about admitting how close she was to what Lori did. Melanie knows even more than what she is willing to divulge. She was fully on board and I think she knew that the children were going to die. Once she sensed that Lori was in trouble with the law, she acted in her best interest.
Totally
Agree. Human nature would have her thinking about this a lot. She’s rehearsed it over and over and she’s scared she’ll be charged as an accessory. All of those gals should be concerned. The reason Melanie was the one to break the pact is because Lori and Chad yanked her in with the lie of JJ’s whereabouts. I would hope any of the other gals would have done the same.
I think she knew or should have known that the children were in extreme danger and should of spoke out
You can be completely prepared when you take the stand. But then the nerves kick in with anxiety and everything. Testifying is soo incredibly scary. It's really hard!
Personally~ I wonder how she sleeps at night
1:14 judge begins record
6:28 state calls Melanie Gibb
1:28:20 call between Lori, Chad, and Melanie
1:51:00 end of call/mid-morning break
1:55:00 direct examination of Melanie Gibb continues
2:15:20 cross examination of Melanie Gibb begins
2:19:00 objection by defense to strike testimony/sidebar/argument outside the presence of the jury begins
Thank you for breaking this up for us!
This is/was very thoughtful...thank you.
I can hear the tears, the mourning of this courtroom. And its profound.
I have been watching since the beginning. I have to thank you Nate for all the dedication you have given to this case. You are amazing. Justice for J.J., Tylee, Tammy, and Charles. Please Lord 🙏 let justice prevail.
Definitely praying for justice for all! What a tragic case, so many people have been affected by their evil ways. 😢
ditto from Australia ... and possibly Joe Ryan
I couldn't agree more! And Nate is the very best reporter!!
Melanie is a liar
Too bad Lori and Chad didn’t sense the evil spirits within themselves.
They will, very soon.
The phone call is a master class in manipulation. I love "you'll be held accountable!" Melanie responds, "so will you!"
This whole story is so disturbing. Complete sociopaths. I wish we could get everyone lessons in resisting manipulation.
I am have been obsessed with this case. I find myself needing to know at the end of every day…that Lori will end up in prison for the rest of her life.
She should be facing the firing squad.
@@theresadavis5518 at least if this trial goes south, there’s still Arizona.
I'm sure Lori will never leave imprisonment. Either psychiatric criminal prison or regular prison. There's too many deaths for her to get out of.
I am the same!
Chad and Lori are both dying in prison. You still have to live your life.
Again, I can't thank you enough for doing this for us, Nate. You have so much to do, lately. Who knew that Idaho would hit the news with so many trials that people care about?
Did anyone else notice 35:20 when asked about Brandon B, she replies "no WE didn't share" and then quickly changes her answer to say Lori and Chad didn't share their teachings with Brandon. Ummmm Melanie is definitely part of the "we crowd" . I think that was a very honest slip of the tongue.
Yep, you're absolutely right.
Good catch!
She knew they were going to murder that little boy. Lori Dumbbell explained that zombies had to die 2 other zombies were already dead so when she said that JJ was a zombie that woman should have picked up the phone and she didn't. Damn her soul. She could have saved that baby. I can't even look at his papa without crying. I'm all about the true crime but never has a case so incensed me. The level of malignant narcissism is unimaginable. If anyone in your life presents with a God complex you must take action. Chandler P.D. failed Charles Tylee and JJ. That cop was like...well I'm attracted to you so you must be okay. She should have been evaluated for 72 hours. Thank you Chandler PD. Did I say thank you ? I meant fuck you.
Lori dumbbell 💀
Melanie Gibb is INFURIATING me with all of her “I don’t recalls.” Girl, you’ve thought about every detail of this case everyday for three years! She knows every date and detail but is trying to downplay HER involvement in their beliefs and her LACK of involvement in speaking up for the children. The MINUTE she heard that the kids were dark and zombies, she SHOULD HAVE REPORTED IT TO CPS AND THE AUTHORITIES! She has some culpability in all of the death and destruction in my opinion.
According to the state of Idaho, as they gave her immunity in exchange for her testimony, she isn't culpable. Which is pretty disgusting since Melanie had direct control and knowledge of events. No one can tell me that she wasn't involved in the attempted murder of her ex husband.
Ugh SAME! Melanie’s withholding at this point is ridiculous!!!!
co-conspirator? Lots of selective memory. Listen to Nate interview.
I know. She drives me nuts. She loves to play stupid.
Totally agree with you!
Chad you’re a genius! You said your life had two segments. Yes, your marriage to Tammy and death row in prison.
Thank you Nate❤💜 Idaho News❤💜
Wow, thanks again Nate!
I think Melanie Gibb is the first person in this trial to say Charles "was killed" rather than "Charles died." I wonder if any jurors picked up on that. It seems like the prosecutors don't intend to include his death in this trial. Maybe because it didn't happen in their jurisdiction? I hope they have a way to include it because it speaks to a behavioral pattern.
Thank you so much East Idaho News for all you have done for your viewers. WE ALL appreciate it so much.
IMO I feel the two Melanie’s & Zulema knew exactly the when, why & how’s; they were part of that inner circle.
Agreed. At least we know Zulema got immunity. Melanie’s “oh my gosh I didn’t know “ act is getting on my nerves. She keeps trying to act innocent. She knew.
FBI and detectives really dropped the ball, and couldn’t crack these women!! 😂
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@@SheezaPI Melanie Gibb was given immunity also. Maybe shes the 1 that cant sit in front of Lori and lie just in case she might have the power to keep her out of heaven. Melanie is being deliberately deceptive.
The voice - tone -
Excuse me! Nobody just passed, they were MURDERED 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
Many thanks, Nate for all that you do to keep us in the loop!
Crazy that a divorce would not be acceptable 😢 but killing people is???? How utterly ridiculous. Just shows how deranged these people are, and ironically how Dark they are!
it wasn’t about the divorce, she’d done that many times, it was about that insurance policy.
I agree about the money factor. Also I think I heard during the breaking of this story that LDS brainwashes them to believe they shouldn't sleep with anyone except a spouse. So the only option is to keep getting divorced - or murder the spouse - I guess...
yes the insurance policy speaks volumes and yet they feel they are 'light', they are total freaks and I can't understand how some people are so prone to being persuaded by such lunacy, it's mind blowing, totally nuts. I guess they had to justify killing these people and used this belief to do it without guilt or conscience, I mean the kid suffered from autism and they didn't take that into consideration? They just wanted to kill everyone, except the 144,000, whoever they are
@@SheezaPI that's right, I wonder how she justified being married 5 times, she didn't kill the guy who molested her children.
It was all about the money.
Thank you for all of your coverage in this case. I have been following since it became public knowledge. Thank you to your family for being without you during the week for trial days.
That lady prosecutor was spot on during the opening statements when she said this was all about., sex, money and power, i 🙏 every single one of them who was part of this crazy evil cult are brought to justice.
thats what all religions are about.
Soo, she wanted Vallows life insurance which is why she kept JJ. Otherwise, she could have relinquished custody of him to Charles and not had to see them again. It was only after she had Alex kill Charles and she realized there was no money that JJ had to go too.
As Lori says to Melanie at the end of the conversation "in the end you'll see who's telling the truth" all I pictured was what the autopsy photos probably looked like shown in the court room for everyone there Smh. She's disgusting. We definitely see who was telling the truth or not.
You think Melanie is telling the truth? Ha. She's not. Melanie was in the thick of all this and she helped them break the law.
Melanie is gonna spill it and Lori has to listen. Justice for all innocent lives lost is LONG overdue.
I remember watching Nate's i-view with MB ,what 2 years ago, and it took him a long time to get that inter view. well now Lori has to hear. Talk about weird and scarily so.
@@hoolydooly5799 you're so right.
Melanie is spilling nothing. Just like the cops, "i cant recall" "i feel like" "im not sure when". This investigation was the biggest in the Western World if not the World. I live in Australia and i was able to answer some of the questions that the police "couldnt recall" the State needs to get on top of their witnesses before they get on the stand. There is insurmountable evidence proving the case against them. Now no one remembers anything. For Christs sake you know when your going to testify as a witness so why wouldnt you review your case files or statements anything and everything you have too make sure you can answer all and any questions asked. This is the worst trial ive ever watched. Hopefully the jury can see the truth between all the "something like that" " i cant recall" "not to my knowledge. Its really pretty cut and dry. The kids went missing in September found murdered 9 months later in June on Chads property, she went on leading her best life not looking for her children just living life case closed. GUILTY as charged and a lot more.
She is just as guilty, you can't tell me lori tells her both spouses need to die and then they do, then lori tells her the kids have dark entities in them, that she didn't think the children were in danger like the spouses were, she is guilty, she could of saved those kids, so I hope for the rest of her life that Tylee and JJ visit her in her sleep and she see's their faces every waking moment because ypu know she signed something saying if she gets up there for the prosocuters, she can't get prococuted for anything she says, cause I'm sorry, any normal or even not so normal as she is not wouldn't have known those kids were in trouble after lori told her the kids were dark, just as she did the spouses. Unbelievable bullshit, the only reason she video taped that call is because law enforcement was now involved, that's the only reason she did that was because she thought she would be in trouble, and guess what sweetheart, you should be......I hope you see their sweet faces every day of your waking life, knowing your just as guilty knowing everything ypu did. Just as lori said in the phone call, knowing all you know, you should understand......lori was right, you should of understood and I think you did.
Melanie isn't actually telling everything. Only enough to keep herself "clean". She's just as a guilty.
Thanks Nate for putting this out there, watching from NZ. Not missing a word
I don't understand why she didn't alert authorities when she heard Lori talking about deaths of the children 😡
None of the followers did.
Thank You Nate! Loved seeing you & family out on a family outing (you posted) I’ve followed you since you began covering this trial.
If Chad had scratches on his neck from JJ, I would love to know if that tissue was found under JJ’s nails by the evidence examination.
Yes! I thought the same!
I doubt the scratches were from Jj as it was more than likely Alex Cox murdered him and Chad helped with the dispossal of both bodies. If you believe Melanies testimony Jj was already dead when Alex returned home on the 22nd of September with Jj slumped over his shoulder.
@@sandranash3944 and before that day, Chad took JJ upstairs when he was misbehaving, when they came downstairs Chad had red marks on his neck. Per Melanie's testimony, chad said his neck was red because JJ scratched him.
I hope that story is true because I thought "good for you buddy!"
Would it have decomposed by then?
@@BjBeam apparently we learned from the medical examiner that they did not recover any under-nail cells or evidence, decomposition had already been quite advanced. I did wonder whose skin was under his nails but we’ll never know unless Chad confesses! I live in hope!
I think Melanie was so desperate to be apart of a “cool” group, and she enjoyed being around drama that she went along with such evilness. Poor Charles knew where this was headed, and he was killed for it. And this horrible person said nothing and helped move along with the insane plan. Had she spoken up maybe this could’ve been stopped. Lori and Chad are responsible for the murders and destruction, but Lori’s inner circle of like minded friends are culpable. To pretend this Melanie is a hapless innocent is intellectually and morally dishonest
Agree 100%
I agree and I thought the same thing way back when I saw her interview with Nate.
I get the frustration but unfortunately, this is actually a very typical thing for a cult. They suck people in, even intelligent and smart people. The smarter folks get kinda dazed and don't quite realize exactly how far down a deep dark tunnel they've gotten. Usually, the common way they get woken up from the "spell" of the leaders is when something happens that shocks them on a very personal, moral level. In this case, a special needs boy going missing. A common explanation for why they didn't get out sooner is often "Yeah I knew what this meant in theory but I couldn't fathom they would actually physically do this to someone." Often, the smarter folks have red flags but the point of cultism is that people are reprogrammed to dismiss those red flags and do what the leaders say regardless. There are professors who specialize in studying how intelligent, normal people can get sucked into cults. Melanie's testimony is so freaking frustrating to listen to because she could've done something but when you look at the science and the work of people with multiple doctorates who research this stuff, it's actually very normal for a person like her to get sucked into it and not do anything until something catastrophic happened. It's crazy how this stuff works, and scary!
Thank you so much again for the coverage and your hard work. God bless
Great coverage
Why didn’t they ask Melanie G. about the Gilbert police station when she was there to back Lori up with stealing Charles truck from the airport?!?!
I believe MG possibly made a deal to testify against them both, so any questions incriminating MG would not be asked. IMO.
Wayward I believe, along with you, that MG did make a deal with prosecutors!
Strange that on the phone call Gibb recorded, both Lori and Chad went absolutely silent when Melanie said she asked Alex where JJ was and he told her "you don't want to know. That call was recorded on 12/8/2019, in 4 days after Chad and Lori were alerted that Alex may be a risk, he is dead. Alex died on 12/12/2019. This is a cooincidence? He died of a Pulmonary Embolism. The most common cause of a pulmonary embolism is a the breaking off of a blood clot in your leg's deep veins, known as deep vein thrombosis (DVT). Other, rare causes of a pulmonary embolism include: Air bubbles. DVT in the upper body.
Yea they were in his lungs the clots wouldn’t be the best way to die I’m sure but then again look what he did in life killed people, kids all I can say is “Kalma”
NATE I hope you truly enjoy your Birthday with your wife and kids ❤you are so deserving of the joy with your family I thank your wife for being so supportive of you while you are away from your family working on this case. ❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you Nate (and EIN), for covering this trial and for your dedicated, daily updates.🙏 Have a wonderful and blessed birthday (celebrated with family & friends), following the trial coverage, on Friday. 🎉🎂 🙏😇 PS, you're a great reporter, Nate Eaton. :)
Does anyone else listening to this feel like you are in the Twilight Zone?
Well said pretzelTime. I can’t believe Melanie and the rest of the “followers” believed any of this rubbish and as for calling it “teachings”. Chad”s books went from being novels to messages and directives from God, and nothing like labelling yourself and the woman you’re cheating on your wife of 29 years with as “exhalted beings”.
Melanie says how spiritual and faithful she is yet she stood by and watched Lori and Chad cheating on their spouses and the rest of it without saying anything until the police were involved and then she changed sides with such speed.
Yep,,and can you imagine what the poor jury must be feeling?
It sure gives you an idea what other cult leaders trials would have been like. Only other one we’ve really seen was crazy Charlie Manson. And even his crazy act and saying he didn’t physically kill any one him self, didn’t get him out of trouble. Even after being locked up, his shenanigans didn’t help him one bit.
Yes, absolutely. I often hum the theme song!
Yes! It's all so completely ridiculous ...and then there's Melanie saying it was different and unusual and that she wasn't 100% sure zombies were real 😐
Chad and L Ron Hubbard from Scientology sound equally loony both Science Fiction authors with a God complex
Throw in Joseph Smith for good measure since all of Chad's lunacy stems from him.
I’ve been waiting for this, even though I followed along by tweet. So interested to hear it all for myself. Reading about it and hearing inflection are to different things. This is going to be good.
Yes, it’s much better to hear it to hear the inflections.
Agreed
Melanie, Nicole, Zulema, Lori,...
A coven of witches
😅 sitting around casting spells.
And Melani!
What’s wrong with being a witch?
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@@canileaveitblank1476 It's fake and not real. Just like the teachings of Mormonism. It's just playing pretend for adults who want to feel special.
I think blaming the witches for this is just crazy. Most of us are kind.
Melanie should seek medical evaluation of her memory issues. She’s too young to be having these types of lapses in memory.
Right??? She is guilty, that's her memory loss
I don’t understand. Where Chad’s kids living in the same house that Lori’s children were buried in the back yard? Did they not notice anything ?!
I don’t think so. But now one or more are living in the home.
@@isabellamaree1433 How could they? Unbelievable.
Yeah I find that a bit odd, wouldn't they see fresh dug earth in the garden,bit weird
If you remember, Chad texted Tammy about shooting the raccoon & burying it in the pet cemetery…so actually, Tammy was still alive when Tylee & JJ were both killed & buried in the yard! 😳 He just used the “raccoon” as the excuse! The kids were both dead prior to Tammy’s death.
One and a half minutes into the video and already an ad.
She has aged 15 years...
She looks older than she is. Her constant frown face, and goofy hair style looks awful on her.
She has
You would think that Melanie G. if she really wanted to redeem herself in her wrong doings with Lori would’ve reviewed her testimony or deposition prior to her biggest day of being a witness in a trial vs I don’t remember and I don’t recall!! Smh 🤦🏻
I think she’s still scared of the rest of those followers. Those kind of cults don’t really dissipate.
If the prosecution finds it necessary, they would allow her to refresh her memory, while on the stand. Other than that, witnesses do not have access to the prior testimonies.
I notice the aging of Lori's face, or maybe it's the evilness is seeping out in her face, but she looks nothing like she did two years ago.
I agree..she is looking evil😈
Yeah 3yrs in jail will do that to the most pretty women!!
She's being yelled at everyday
and from what I read, the jail she’s in now during the trial, doesn’t provide any of what she had access to in the other jail she was at.
I’m sure they are really keeping a closer watch on her due to the daily out of cell time.
That's her sin...it will weigh on you.
Be well and be at peace.
Two weekends after the meeting in St. George, Chad travels to Arizona while Tammy stays home in Rexburg, ID working at a job to bring money into the house, unaware that she is financing Chad’s affair with another woman hundreds of miles away. Bless her heart !!!
When MG starts naming the other people involved, her voice gets VERY shaky. Sounds like she is worried one of those will come after her. Interesting that Melani B-P is not included in MG’s list. Hmmmm.
Ms. Blake is a consummate professional who knows her craft. Very impressive !!
Melanie Gibb is such a dissembler. I watched a video of her police interview after the murders. She was very, very immersed in Daybell’s bizarre beliefs. And now she can barely remember all the insane rituals and other details. I can remember it all, but she makes it sounds as if she was on the edge of the group but she was very very immersed in the crap. I hope she got professional help.
Chad was on his way to be another Jim Jones. He also wanted his "flock" to move to some remote area.
He learned from his savior and emulated his behavior. You know? Joseph Smith. The founder of Mormonism. Both are lies, manipulators, grifters, and now felons.
Here’s my problem with Melanie.. so, she had no problem doing castings for the death of Charles and now has no clue what could’ve happened to the kids.
Thank you Nate for your honesty and integrity and hard work. Once this is all over , and if this case takes a toll on your heart please pray and then seek out help If needed.
I agree with Susanheminger338 something is up with Melanie's testimony. I have watched all of her interviews and she seemed completely closed up and really forgetful. Does she have a book coming up so she is holding back for a book or is she worried about being charged for something. It was so different from her past interviews. So frustrating.
Much thanks to Nate for bringing us the audio of this trial and the insight/update videos.❤
Melanie Gibb is very close to being an accessory imho!
She sounds shook!
I’ve been wondering about the other Melanie, as well, Lori’s niece, in regards to the shooting of Brandon.
If there’s a way to be so gullible and dumb that you enable crime right under your nose….this lady could do it
She IS an accessory. That's why she told the cops that she'd testify under the condition of immunity. If you don't think she was directly involved in the attempted murder of her ex husband, I don't know what to tell you.
She wouldn’t be an accessory. Don’t be ridiculous @ Louisa Keys!
This judge is different than any I’ve heard or seen in the past. He’s smooth and almost seems to be casually conversing with the attorneys as opposed to making declarations. Now I think he’s the best judge I’ve ever seen.
Well, he found his 🥜 in making Lori stay in the court.
@@emilyflotilla931 if he hadn’t, could be a problem on appeal.
He's not the best judge because we should be able to see the trial. He should have allowed cameras in the courtroom.
He doesn’t even know how to say voir dire even though he probably hears it every single day lmfao
The judge didn't want to give Lori lots of attention and for her to turn it into a circus and while I like watching the trial, it feels good knowing she's sitting in the court like any other criminal realising she's not special and will be in prison for a long time
It’s astounding how many people enabled Lori and gave her an audience for her goofy beliefs!
The awkward pauses on the recorded call seem to be Chad and Lori realizing that Melanie is trying to work for police… possibly because the questions that she’s asking she knows the answers! It’s OBVIOUS she’s trying to catch them admitting the truth!
A grown @ss man has a nightmare and wakes up in the middle of the night, wakes up his girlfriend who's in another room. Who then goes and tries to wake up her best friend, so she can give him a blessing? Or was Lori supposed to call and wake up Chad and he would give the grown @ss man a blessing? That's a lot of shenanigans for a grown @ss man who had a nightmare.
How many people would you call if your grown @ss husband had a nightmare? Just curious.
Chad and Lori were in the same room.
It's not at all abnormal, in the LDS faith, for "grown @ass men" to ask for a blessing for healing, faith, or comfort.
Chad and Lori were no longer practicing the LDS faith, but they continued to use some elements to their benefit when it suited them.
I don't find anything weird about David waking in the middle of the night, having had, what he described as a horrible nightmare and unable to rest, and asking the person he, for some ungodly reason, believed was authorized to give blessings.
Just my opinion.
@ubu booboo. You are hilarious!😅 And yes, I too find this whole situation ridiculous.
@@camillemayers103 😂
Anybody catch the part where Melanie said Chad took jj to the bedroom, then later she said Alex took him to the bedroom??
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Dude🤣all I’m saying is if I was the Defense, and I saw a witness like MG on the stand, I’d be rushing to rip her apart in cross examination. She hasn’t changed a bit since the 2020 interview Nate did with her. She’s weirdly flaky, as if she doesn’t want to screw over Lori too much, but she’s also teetering on the edge of accessory 🤣 idk if witnesses are allowed to review past statements they’ve given in order to jog their memory, but MG is like a deer in headlights-I remember during her big 2020 interview she spent more time pitying her ex bff Lori bc Lori loved pretty things and beauty, and she wouldn’t have that in jail, all the while calling Chad a good guy despite the current missing status of her kids. It’s like she’s scared to just acknowledge how insane and how terrible Lori’s beliefs were…but maybe it’s bc MG is still struggling to untangle herself from those beliefs
@@CMRBURE She sounds like she’s medicated. Pretty sure they didn’t want her testifying in the manner of that last police interview. Can you imagine her in the stand all chirpy and cheerful. She’s no doubt been really rehearsed and told to act more somber.
Or possibly she’s seen those autopsy photos, now. That would put any normal person off.
As far as caffeine, LDS are not supposed to use caffeine . I think she’s still Mormon.
@@CMRBURE She's not sick. It's an act. She's trying to seem subdued to downplay her own involvement and to seem somber and serious to the Jury. When she's laughing and excited to talk about her involvement is her naturally. She LOVES the attention and people asking her questions about herself. If you actually believe her little performance, I don't know what to tell you dude. This woman is a sociopath.
She didn't actually believe any of the zombie stupid crap. She loved feeling superior and loved feeling special or above others. That's what drove Melanie. It just so happened in order for her to feel like that, she had to go along with the stupid 144,000/zombie crap.
"Why his neck was so red" poor JJ. Chad abused him
So did Chad kill JJ then, and that was JJ fighting for his life?? 😢
@@waywardangel6356 you know with JJ being off his regular meds ( Lori took him off them) not even having his support dog, hebhad to have already been bouncing off the walls, poor baby. I hope he kicked and bit then every step of the way. Not because he suffered, but to at least get in some damage on them. I wonder if Tylee had a chance to try to fight back, hopefully like she did with the bat toward Charles. I don’t see her going down without a fight. Breaks my heart neither of these children had a chance.
I do hope JJ’s fingernails were clipped for evidence to be sure Chad’s skin isn’t under the body’s nails.
This woman should also be charged. She could’ve prevented so many deaths!
Also Zulema Pastenes had a big hand in it imo
So was melanie the last person to see jj? If chad went upstairs and came down with scratches, and nobody saw jj again, then chad is probably the killer. I was under the impression that alex killed the kids.
I believe it **was** Alex who murdered the children and Charles. Chad and Lori kept their hands clean, believing they would get away with murder and be able to blame it all on Alex.
Alex was dead so he wouldn't be able to defend himself.
Lol. If Chad got divorced he’d be penalized…but murder is fine.
And all in the name of God, remember. I ask you, what utter nonsense!!!
If she truly thought Charles was an evil spirit why would she let him take care of JJ. ❌
I can't even imagine how much these are costing East Idaho News.
Could you imagine how much it costs the State? Expensive!
Someone said $0.22 per minute? EIN doing us all a solid!
A pretty penny for sure!
@@aoife984 There’s a few creators paying for this as well. Crime Talk for one. It’s pretty costly for any creators to afford. I’m just glad we have UA-cam for all
these trials.
All the dedication Nate Eaton has shown is commendable. He needs an award for his coverage of this from the beginning.
I'm watching all the ads in support of EIN
Melanie smoked Lori out. Excellent example of gaslighting, dominating those who are vulnerable due to their affection/friendship. If jury couldn’t understand Lori’s power to manipulate--they will after hearing this exchange.
OMG I think we're all going to need cleansing after this trial is over.. SMH!!!!
Mahalo for your coverage! I just cannot wait for the daily audio. Like a junkie needing a fix! I keep trying to figure out when it's quiet WHO has the loud stage whisper😂.
Aloha! 🌺🥰🇨🇦
Right 😂
Chad's 2nd chapter in his life that he prophesied he would have = death row
Firing squad 🔫
Just a thought here... Lori claimed JJ had an evil spirit in him and was acting out. "Climbing on the fridge and being more aggressive." IF he was acting as she says he was could it be because he was subjected to Tylee's murder and that was his way of expressing his feelings over seeing it?
Ooofff I don’t even want to imagine 😢😢
Wow great observation! Poor babies.
She took him off of his medication, had his father killed, took him away from his grand parents, gave away his service dog and killed his sister. She absolutely tortured him!
Melanie Palowski, Melanie Gibb, Zulema Pastenas, and others KNEW that the castings were NOT well intended. Hello, it's all of Lori's associations getting cast out? Any of their friends and family get cast out?? They just went along with believing all of her peers only as needing castings?? They knew it wasnt just about casting the bad spirit out, they knew it meant death of the physical body was the end goal of the casting.
I feel Melanie should have an adjoining room with her friend Lori....she definitely was more involved than she is admitting to.
One would think Anyone would want to help these beautiful children get Justice! The same is being experienced in the #GannonStauch murder trial.
May all these innocent souls RIP.
In the end….Melanie could have saved them.
Wonder how Lori is acting during the recorded call being played?
What a bunch of complete nuts. This friend knew these people were going to die and never did anything about it.
At 51:00 I sure would like to know weather MG looked at Lori or what exactly happened... she seems flustered, I hear fear...
I wonder if she thinks she's gonna be stricken with a bolt of lightning!?
She wasn't honest in the testimony... she claimed Lori spoke about Charles life insurance prior to him dying when we heard the phone call where Lori is reporting Charles death to the life insurance company she was ask whether she was aware who the beneficiary was she yes I am...
Lori gets what she wants or you'll be on the dark list.
Chad's ideas are so unoriginal. Multiple probations seems to be a fancy term for reincarnation. It is an ancient belief, but it seems these 2 had a very simplistic interpretation of it - one that matched their story of self importance. People must learn from this that religiousness does not make you a good person. Only YOU make you a good person by the way that you act in this world.
Religion may make you feel as if you're a good person, but if you believe that JC died for your sins, then you also know that whatever you do - even the most hienous acts will be forgiven as long as you pray and ask for forgiveness. Religion makes people shift responsibility for their own negative acts. It causes a kind of schizophrenia. People believe themselves to be holier than thou, when in actual fact they could be as hienous as these 2. Only you, by the honest, positive choices that you make, make you the person that you are. So each time you do good, you are more of that - authentically. These people are totally deranged as are so many religious cult leaders. It sounds like they mixed New Age drivel with some version of their previous faith. The castings for Charles was Lori's way of justifying killings those she did not like. Lori is a very low IQ person with a highly narcissistic personality. She is an evil, vengeful woman. She wanted other people's devotion and money with her so called prophet, It was all about profit and sex and power.
Accurate. Well said.
I think that Melanie Gibb knew what happened to "dark" "zombies." I think she had a feeling that something had happened to Tylee and also had a feeling that something was going to happen to JJ. She should have warned someone about this evil monster. I think she had a duty to inform the law, or anyone who could help. I think that's why she got so upset when Lori told LE that JJ was with her. She shares some blame here, too. She knew that Lori was nuts and she just sat back to watch it all happen. It's like she was trying to prove Lori wrong - no matter the cost.
Agreed. I also feel Melanie is being very cautious, feels like she’s covering for herself to separate herself. She knew deep down and said nothing.
Charles did try to notify police of the dangers, but was not believed.
Yeah, I don’t know how the detectives and the FBI weren’t able to break Melanie, and get to spill her guts!
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She did know, because she asked her then friend Zulema who responded sth like ‚u don‘t want to know.‘ And she knew, she’d have been next on their list. Simply covering for her own behind in that phonecall. If you listen closely, both try to threaten her, then they realize they‘re being recorded.
She did have a duty to report a crime that she thought had been committed or was about to be. But she didn't. Hence her getting an immunity deal in exchange for testimony.
What I found strange in that recording Melanie did was Lori said to Melanie knowing what you know……. What did that mean just how much does Melanie know
Lori's starting to look like Aileen Wournos up in here. Serves her right, claiming to be a 'god'. C'mon Lori - escape using your powers.
At least Aileen turned her heart to the Lord and repeated
You’re so right! Lori looks like Aileen’s twin!! I had to look her up before I knew who you were talking about…so creepy, huh?
Omg THAT’S who she reminds me of!! I couldn’t place it, but there it is!!!!
I wonder if she is gloating to herself over that prosecutor’s family members death. the first thing I thought of when I heard that, was whether Lori is still putting the hex on people from her cell? I can’t be the only one who made that connection.Or in her mind she’s thinking their castings are still working. I seriously don’t think their group has moved on from their ideology.
Yes and I recall a similar defendant Rebecca Fenton. She was very smooth just like LV
Melanie Gibb is lucky she didn’t get bumped off as well for going against Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell.
I expect it was on the cards!!
Thank you for calling Melanie Gibbs a co conspirator. That is exactly what she is. Both her and Zulema should be facing charge's.
I wish there were cameras in the courtroom, I'd like to see what's going on visually as well.
Miss Gibb's voice sounds a little shaky at times, as compared to her previous testimony and interviews. Anyone else notice that?
Yes. Fear?
she knows she should have done something!!!
She’s guilty too!! She’s probably afraid to incriminate herself.
Prob anxiety. It’s a little different from an interview. That and the woman is a complete blubbering gullible guppy🙄
Yes, she's done alot of "I don't remember" and "I can't recall" ... funny because I've watched her interview with nate and her police interviews multiple times and I could have answered all the questions she was asked. She doesn't want to self incriminate.
How has Melanie become so inarticulate. Suddenly she can’t string two sentences together in a coherent manner.
Because she knows we all know she is just as guilty now
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Never forget, they allowed certain portions of her testimony AS CO-CONSPIRATOR.
Is this 144,000 a real thing in the Book of Mormon? Some of these people named in scripture I’m not sure who they are. I put a ton of blame on Melanie. The slogan “ see something say someone “ . She should have been backing Charles and maybe everyone would still be alive. She knew so much and I have no respect for her at all.
Her not picking up for law enforcement because she didn’t know what to do? How would you not know what to do? Your innocent right? She’s such a liar.
Who would have guessed that a demonic entity would be called Ned?
Well they have to blend in. 😂. Don’t forget about Viloa.
Don't let Ned in your head, or your bed, or you'll end up...
I laughed out loud when I heard the evil spirits name was Ned!! Then we realize Ned's Dead and Garrett has replaced him! ? replaced him!!! What the heck.
Ha ha right you’d think they would of come up with better name something with grit.
I thought the demonic entities name was CHAD. They sound a lot alike.
If Lori and Chad have all these mystical powers, how come they are still in the slammer? My dog Rufus and I are so confused? Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope!
Haha yes and the end of the world date came and went!
What is going on with the USA people religion its crazy 😮
Mormonism is mostly a west coast thing centered around their little mecca of Salt Lake City. In fact, when Mormonism got started, they were lynched and thrown out of cities on the East Coast because people hated them and their blasphemy.
Most Americans don't like Mormons, but it's unfair to blame people that get raised into it because they don't realize how insane it actually is.
Mormonism should be put in the DSM as a recognized mental illness.
Better this than trans cult ideology. Sick of it shoved down our throat
In the recording Lori threatens Melani because she knows too much.
MG....this is going to be interesting...
THANK YOU NATE ! HAPPY BIRTHDAY! Your reporting of this should win awards.
I agree
So many commercials! Seems like a soon as I get back into listening.... here comes another commercial. Why? 🤷♀️
I still don’t understand why the death penalty was taken off
Wow, their arguing was like valley girls batting mean girls comments back and forth.
Wow...this must be so confusing to any jurors who are not familiar with even the basic beliefs of their religion.
I was just thinking that. To us who've followed this case from the start, it's familiar territory (although it never ceases to shock me with how bizarre it all is), but if you were on that jury and hearing this for the first time, your brain must be fried!!
@@Peel420 i am former member of that religion n understand the dynamics. Also, surprised at lack of deta,il around events..like Lori n Chad met at a track but didn't say where (it was a campus but which one) and Melanie mentions David in a response but doesnt clarify who he is.