I watched her interview videos with Chandler police after Lori was arrested. Wow , what a trip that was. I can't believe in a modern day world this craziness is rampant. Common sense gone plumb out the window.
@@Wistful664 If you check the statistics around the world with school shootings & murders, America really does have a higher number of both, than most places...
Those people are evil..it sickens me to hear that Chad told Zulema she was a 14 yr old girl who was raped, burned and killed and was Lori's daughter in a past life..ironically Tylee was 16, Lori's daughter, and was murdered and burned, but was Tylee also raped?. Oh God I hope not..its just so strange to me that Chad told Zulema what actually happened to Tylee minus a rape..
The worst part in all this is the fact that if they didn't kill the children, they would've gotten away with the murders of their spouses. The police should be held accountable.
Thank you, East Idaho News, for running all these audio sessions. It allows us to follow and hear these people in their own voices rather than summarized by reporters afterwards. It's truly appreciated.
Alex wasn’t muttered either you stupid people, you also are cult people your churches and a pastor dumb people you don’t even know the definition of a cult. Your man’s controlled idiots
Of course she does. These morons, I mean Mormons, think we're the crazy ones. The acting on this full grown woman is astonishing. I really hope LE spends some time digging on this one...should be very interesting.
@@Reneepa4506 The LDS church in Rexburg LOVED Chad. Listen to the interviews with his sister in law. They kept giving Chad more and more important positions in their church, even while people were dying. Indeed, they didn't even excommunicate darling Chad until half a year AFTER the bodies of the two children were found on his property and he had been charged with THREE murders. The LDS "church" backed all Chad's murderous chats with God, they enabled everything he did and gave him bigger and bigger platforms to sell his crap to LDS faithful. They criticized anyone who was LDS who questioned anything CHad was doing. The LDS "church" is totally culpable in all this. Just as they have been in the many woman and child abusing and murdering groups that spring up from within the LDS ranks year after year.. They are interested only in money and keeping an iron unquestioning grip on their ranks. Anyone who tells you that questioning makes you evil....is evil.
Lol I just commented the same thing, even the attorney says it too much but Zulema said UM almost every other word. I have never heard somebody say UM that much ever.she said Um 10 times in one sentence.
Just when I thought Tylee's death couldn't be any more horrific, I hear Zulema's testimony about Chad telling her about her death in a past life where she was killed at a young age, age 14, SA'd and then her body was dismembered. It just got more horrific.
I have a sick sick feeling they totally desecrated that poor girls body before she was cut up and burned. I think she was sexually assaulted. That sort of thing is almost always present in cults and she was more or less the only female in such a vulnerable position in the group. The first time I heard that there was hacking/ chopping marks all over her pelvic bones (which apparently is not a place to cut while dismembering) I just got this awful feeling like they must have done some extremely sick things to her body before they ever decided they were done with it and ready to get rid of it.
I can just see Lori believing some disgusting idea like if Chad assaulted her she'd forever be sister wives with her daughter * shudder * This is just the most horrific story ever!!!!!
Does anyone actually believe all this bull crap ? WHO are the people who decide who is a bad person? What gives THEM the right to eliminate this person just because some wacko says it happened hundreds of years ago ?? Surely all this casting stuff is really an intent to kill that person ? WHO do these people think they are!!! Get finances straight (secure life insurance) before bumping them off
Zulema is dogging it. All the um's, constantly drinking water, the little girl voice, talking slowly....watch her interviews by LE... vastly different. Alex's death is damn suspicious.
Yes.....that's what I said above - this is a show for Lori 😞 I'm not sure how more people are not being held accountable and put on trial for the role they played ...
Exactly, well said especially like you mention, the childish voice it’s a principle of Nichiren Buddhism, in the late 80s while learning herpetology, the narrator voice was so irritating, I learned she used this technique, I bet she practiced her voice technique knowing she had to testify.
She is “acting” super naive and innocent, don’t buy it. She previously claimed to control the weather. And was pretty aggressive on the phone with Alex et Al, and then the cops in previous recorded calls
@@robinettbanister1236 That is NOT true. I have been a member my whole life and this is so shocking and disturbing to me! These crazies twisted their sick desires in to a cult. They used bits and pieces of the LDS church, made them into whacked out, unbelievable beliefs to justify killing people. Just FYI any belief system can be used for evil purposes by evil people. MY church tel you to stay away from these kinds of "conferences," and authors like Chad Daybell. They have both been kicked out of the church officially and were not living the teaching before this happened.
i have not thought about her voice acting but true.. playing naive soft spoken childish ...all this church crap but now the jury members may also from LDS and who knows what they think....
Her niece Melanie is who I am most angry about- I mean of course they all knew and just wanted a part of all the money that Lori sold them IMO. But Melanie (niece) 100% was part of the attempted murder on Brandon. She was the only one who knew the address of his knew house. It really p!sses me off she’s just walking free when she didn’t believe that BS she tried to have her husband killed for life insurance money. Why doesn’t Brandon’s life matter? Thank God the bullet missed but it was not the intention for it to.
Her halting, soft voice and naïve innocence ACT is beyond disgusting. Why is she not charged with aiding and abetting, accessory after the fact or conspiracy to commit murder. I hope she struggles to sleep every night for the rest of her miserable life!!
does everyone on here think this person talking was in on the murders & all?? i'm not sure what you mean i'm not really familiar with this cluster€uck i'm hearing so you think she helped with it all? i'm surprised anyone is alive but i recall jim jones having all those ppl commit suicide ~ it's all too much for my little brain
@@canbac4300 There are so many text messages of her talking to lori about cursing charles and killing his demon, they all had burner phones too. Her husband Alex was the one that killed charles, JJ and Tylee and attempted to kill brandon and Tammy.
I really feel Melanie P, Melanie G, and Zulema should have been charged because they knew what was happening and did nothing but Melanie g on the stand said lori knew about the life insurance before they killed Charles and that's not true, and she was asked a couple times because the da knew she was incorrect idk how they're going to fix that oops, there’s phone recordings of when lori calls the life insurance company and found out she wasn't the beneficiary anymore and text messages lori was pissed!
Melanie the so called best friend should of definitely been charged for her role in getting all this stirred up about Charles being possessed she got him killed. She is a murderer too . Zulema would benefit from a padded cell at the very least. Saddie I agree 💯
Melanie Gibb was smart enough to tell the truth at the right time. If she hadn't done that she would be with chad and lori. Alex was smart enough to just die. 😮
She is, Melenia G, there after or before in every event even on videos. So how she would not know what was going on is absolute lunecy because I promise if I was around someone and I had to go to the police for this or that with someone and people were dying if I believed the nonsense or not I would be asking my friend what the heck or I would not be there anymore!!
People are vastly different. There are all kinds of people believing all kinds of things all over the world. I don’t think there’s only one static, universally agreed-upon reality. And the idea that we should see the world and life in one way and call that reality is really bleak. Yeah, there’s a lot of horrible stuff like this out there, but there are also wonderful things that come of spirituality.
@@stacy6994 wow, seriously? You listened to this testimony and came here to somehow rope gender non-conforming people into this 🙄? May I remind you, that no one in this case has expressed anything but what I think anyone would consider socially accepted gender norms. In fact, as we’ve heard in testimony, Lori and Chad explicitly pushed a mandatory heteronormative worldview. I don’t see any transgender or nonbinary folks on trial here. But there are plenty of Jordan Peterson videos out there to comment on.
@@Heseesyou Exactly. The religions of man do not necessarily equate with true faith in Christ. It's just empty idolatry that is really about self worship in the end. Mormonism among many others, isn't even remotely close to being an expositor of Scripture and the Gospel.
Zulema's breathy little baby voice drives me up the wall. She's trying to sound like a naive little girl who couldn't possibly be involved in anything "dark." So creepy. She didn't sound like that in the police interrogation video from 2021.
Amen to that!!! Had any of these idiots that claimed they were workers of Jesus actually picked up a Bible and studied the scriptures then they would have ALL KNOWN that Chad and Lori were both false prophets.
Letitia Stauch sounds more sane than these people and she is claiming The insanity defense. This is the world we live in with these scary people around our kids😮
Kudos to the female Prosecutor…she is direct, and remaining calm…and she’s got to be thinking in her head how CRAZY all this is! I don’t know how she is keeping her cool at the unbelievable testimony of what went on!
Prosecution has had 3 years of learning about this horrendous case. I'm sure in the beginning they were all disgusted and heartbroken piecing it all together..thus, they all remained calm..😢
@@JeepGirl941 Yep. And Um (jeez I can't say that what can I say), Um (crap I can't say that either), Um (these jerks won't understand what I mean anyway), Um.... Gag a maggot! Smacking lips too and gulps - like freaking gollum.
£. Wddx; Z is a fake acting all timid and hesitant. Lori would never have listened to her for a minute fast talker that she is. If z. Isn't faking it Lori and Chad would have killed her for being annoying. The Jury is going to need counseling after all this. How any rational human being follows the nuts we have in the world now is baffling to me but just look at January 6.. .
Yeah. Go straight to demonic possession. Not Tylee being a typical moody teenager that might be a little upset with moving all the time and her mother being a slut . And JJ being slightly dysfunctional after the move fm Hawaii, to AZ,bto TX, to AZ , his parents NOT getting along, and then being swiftly moved to Rexburg: potty issues and wetting the bed is a telltale sign of trauma. Not demonic possession. If this goes down like FL and Casey Anthony I will forever lose all hope in our judicial system and any jury trial forever and always.
Also there's the fact that Tylee and JJ were both struggling with grief over the loss of their father figure, Charles! Maybe that made an impact?! Ugh. Yea, but they're possessed.
It is the same denial that people who have been conned, have, i.e if I pretend it did not happen, then it did not happen therefore, if it did not happen I don't have to feel responsible....
This is beyond disgusting. The power that this chubby chinless guy had over people is insane. Lori is pure evil. The depth of the depravity is literally mind blowing.
Joanna...what are your thoughts on this... Lori seduced the chubby chinless freak and he just ran with it ... seeing her infatuation fueled his Narcissistic personality. On a side note I think Lori/Alex murdered their sister and Tylee's father, Joseph Ryan.
So next time you hear a mother earnestly express the desire that her husband and son should suddenly pass away, folks, just tell yourself it’s OK because they are not fully human. Don’t blab even when they try to cause it, because you realise secretly at some level that wishful thinking alone can’t cause an “accident”. Stand by passively while the targets are both monstered, literally, as something less than human - for as we all learned in our school lessons about 1930s Germany, dehumanising others is a common way to make destroying them socially acceptable. As long as you yourself are very socially acceptable, nicely spoken, well dressed and polite, all is well unless and until the police actually come knocking on your door. If they do, then just carry on being polite and talking in a soft little voice like a nice timid person, and people will magically absolve you of all moral responsibility for giving open malicious intent towards a child a pass, day after day. Even after the father is indeed killed and even after the child disappears.
You speak truth! Blacks were "subhuman" so it was ok to enslave them and treat them worst than you'd treat your dog, babies are "potential humans" so it's ok to rip them limb to limb or poisen them in the womb, etc., that is what is done if you want to destoy someone, say they aren't human.
When she took a long pause and then said, 'Give me a moment, my thoughts just got really jumbled in my mind', that was probably the only time she was telling the whole truth.
This Zulema knows way way more than she’s saying. How does one anyone not remember conversations of such people would say. No way she wants to be in court and especially on the stand. Her hesitations tell more than any words. Same as Melanie Gibb
Melani Gibb Warwick testified in Chads prelim hearing and her memory was horrendous!..she was so bad in remembering (selective) that Chads atty John Prior became frustrated and called her out on it.. You can watch Chads entire prelim hearing on youtube. Ive watched it 4 times. Each time i hear something I didn't hear before or just over looked..😮
I find it really interesting that the Lori and Chad's congregation sound so timid like they can't mash ants yet, I am sure when they were performing casting rituals as a willing participant, they had strength, conviction and clarity of what they were going to say and do then.
IDK? Didn't all these coo coo birds have special powers? That's why people like Lori and Chad associate with weak minded people. To feed their narcissistic selves! But, I have to say, Lori and Chad should make the dumbest, ruthless, criminals of all time list! I don't feel a bit sorry for these two. I feel these others should be charged with some kind of charge. They are dealing with grownups now! I can not stop listening to this trial. Absolutely like listening to a science fiction story! May God bless Charles, Tammy, Tylee, and JJ's soul!
She was given partial immunity. Remember there is still the AZ case that is being worked on. For her immunity, she has to tell the entire truth. Go back & watch her last interview with Idaho detectives when they went to visit her in AZ.
Man I wish I could SEE this! Such hesitancy to talk and stalling before answering almost every question-is she nervous to answer cause Lori is sitting there in front of her? Or is it getting harder to keep all the lies straight? 😵💫
Am I the only one confused here about Zulema's response to the ride home from the St. George conference??? Didn't she say earlier that in the ride home Lori asked her to look up "James the Lesser" in their Mormon Book as well as a reference point to the angel leading the 144,000?? Yet, after looking at the pictures and identifying the people in the photographs from the conference in St. George, and asked for a second time if she remembered any interaction on the ride home from that conference, she said no, she didn't remember??? Correct me please if I am wrong.
@@JeanneGuarnieri-vs7zn yeah seems like she’s contradicted herself more than once? 🙄 Maybe she should stick with her go- to phrase-“I can’t remember”. 🤦🏼♀️😩
@bizebabe she married the brother a known executor- killer and yet she was chosen by these "holy" ppl and I think she is realizing how she was manipulated and most likely has known things but was blind to it to subconsciously protect herself from seeing that her faith was lying to her. How did she not know her husband was doing all these things? Her testimony is important. She mentioned to the police in an interview how she thought her husband was going to basically kill her as she was supposed to sleep on some plastic sheet, which is what killers do to dispose of a body. She had an awareness and is probably scared and guilty bc innocent ppl died, but yet she was "chosen" by these powerful religious ppl...
@@JeanneGuarnieri-vs7zni believe she asked “do you remember - anything else” and she answered i don’t remember. As in she doesn’t remember anything else that happened in addition to what she had previously just testified to remembering what happened and the scriptures Lori had her look up
These women at any time could have intervened. They are guilty of complacency. They are covering their own butts, especially the Melanie's ... They should be charged.
I agree that the Melanie’s should definitely be charged and David - they knew what happened- who leaves a friends house after staying before the friend gets up? They couldn’t get out fast enough .. David had more than a dream I think…
I can’t stand the whispery baby talk forcing to sound innocent Zulrma: Um um um um um um and um um um and um um um (helplessly innocently breathlessly)
I’m a 55 yr old girl fascinated by true crime, forensics, body language experts, interrogations, etc. I’ve watched and listened to *a lot* of courtroom cases, testimony,etc etc. This case here takes the cake by a landslide. I’ve never seen or heard such *crazy* in my entire life. Just when you think it can’t get any worse, it does. They top themselves, again and again. CRAZY on another level. I divorced my narcissistic, manipulative, controlling, gaslighting sociopath ex-husband over 21 yrs ago and hearing this toxic, sick talk triggers my own ptsd. We’re not Mormon or churchgoers etc… I just had to divorce him to save myself and kids from his twisted manipulation
I'm so happy you got out ❤ I finally see narcissists for what they are almost immediately now. Almost ALL of my exes were narcissists. How long were you married?
@@aarenlescopb I wasn’t married very long, only 8 years. In my situation.. what made it way worse for me was that we also worked together in the same company. When I filed for divorce, he was actually served divorce papers at work and the shxt hit the fan. He tried going to all our mutual friends and then some - to turn them against me, asked them to write him character statements about myself and him for court, etc. Divorces take 6 months to be finalized but he dragged me to court over custody issues, etc… costing me my sanity with his lies, gaslighting, accusations etc for an additional 3-4 years. It was truly insanity and crazy-making. Having my two beautiful sons now in their mid/late 20s are the *only* good results from that marriage. Ironically, I’m still very close to his family who even think he’s whacko. So glad I got away from him though.
If you don't get enough sleep you get a blurry brain. I probably would not have gotten good sleep before testifying in this case. She seems Perkins right after lunch. She might have had Coke or Pepsi to wake her up.
What's even more concerning is the number of people who wanted to hear Chad speak, particularly to youth and children! OMG. People, please - start thinking for yourselves and teach your children to do the same. Just because somebody slaps "Jesus" or "God" on it, doesn't make it legitimate.
@traceybrenneman2291 Exactly!! I was raised LDS and was literally taught "exact obedience" and "blind obedience". I was taught to be brainless. Thank God I got out and started using my own brain and intuition. It's really scary how lds women are actually bred to be docile and display blind trust. As long as they "feel the spirit" at some point, they believe everything surrounding that is true. It's embarrassing at the very least, and deadly in this case. Lethal naivety.
Yeah, and "Spirit" told her to take Charles' phone the day he died and probably kill everyone too. I guess If it's in "Name of God" u can do anything... 🤦♀️
She serves a very evil god his name is Lucifer. The minute my friend started putting me, or anyone else on the light dark scale, I would be out of there, knowing this was not of God. The minute she became the authority on past lives. I would be out of there. The minute she started having an affair and telling me it was of God, I would be out of there. The very second that people around them started dying. I would be totally out of there.
I'm following this trial and the Leticia Stauch trial also. I must say after hearing LS scream and rant for an hour, listening to Zulemas passive tone is like going into another Hell altogether. Her calm affect is so in conflict with the story she's telling us. Chanting and casting out demons! These calm and seemingly harmless women going along with this cult is mind boggling.
Zulema is being very careful in her response. She doesn't want to incriminate herself. She seems very deceptive in her comments. I did watch her other interviews and she is completely different in how she talks.
Zulema is as vindictive as Lori, Chad, both Melanie's...They are all diabolical humans. Zulema is so Cautious, taking so long to answer, because she is in deep herself. Hopefully in time, all these players will be held accountable also. Regards from Ireland 💜💙🧡💜💙🇮🇪
@Carol Milatz Zulema and both Melanie's knew everything... .. Maby a few others also..They are all so shady and pathological liars. Disfunctionable humans. Imagine anyone praying that Children and adults would die??? They have no morals whatsoever. Regards from Ireland 💜💙🧡💜💙🇮🇪💚
4.2 scale of gullibility. Amazing how sucked in they all were. Chad was just making it all up on the fly. He deserves the death penalty. Ande Melanie Gibb is a liar. Lori didn't know about the life insurance change...
I feel that gibb and zulema are big liars. They protected their friends when these friends were clear that they wanted certain family members taken out. They are only cooperating now so they wont be charged
Your not wrong at all!!! There’s is a place for all these people!!! I like to put them in the Hitler wing of hell!!! That’s special place for people like Lori and her cohorts!!!
I came to the comments to see if anyone else was about to lose their minds listening to her slow, drawn out answers! This is so aggravating & tedious! Ugh! 🤨🤯
Was anyone else screaming just spit it out lady?! It was like pulling teeth while drinking water trying to get her to answer any questions. She’s playing the part of an innocent child. All of us know she’s just as guilty but pretending to be naïve. Absolutely ridiculous!! Rest in peace JJ, Charles, Tylee, and Tami ! ❤
Is it just me or does anyone else question themselves about their own sanity ? How could anyone sit and listen to another human being talk about meeting angels ITS BEYOND BELIEF THAT THEY SAT THROUGH ALL LORI’S CRAP. She must have drugged them either that or they are all in it along with her.
Exactly , I sit here thinking how the hell can sane adults believe this absolute crap those 2 fed them. I am acctually starting to think they all deserve to go to jail with Lori even if its just for stupidity. Seriously how can you believe this BS !!!
It’s because they were brought up in the LDS faith which has teachings that are sort of similar/if you believe that it’s not a far jump to here. And if no have. No critical thinking skills….
@Grannie, Gigi McKelvey, a journalist in the courtroom, said she'd never seen a more attentive jury. She said they were taking notes. She said when they heard that Alex was the one who killed Charles, multiple mouths dropped open.
Because they want to be special, like "of course Jesus will come to meet me", or they don't want to admit they've been fooled so they double down as in “we couldn't cast out the soul of the husband we said was possessed with just prayers and voodoo, so we'll let a gun help us with all the work"
@@orpheus1180 There will always be followers that attach themselves to someone charismatic , then decide to follow the “leader for various reasons. Mostly if you don’t have to make decisions, because they are made for you, then if things go badly, it’s never you fault but that of your “leaders” . Life experiences from childhood and family norms can be a set up for always acquiescing, giving your power to others. People want to belong and gain approval from others, not having a feeling of their own autonomy. Sad.
That's why I'm not good in groups, I am an individual and not easy swayed. At 59, I really don't fit any social norm, so it's hard to meet anyone who understands me. But I understand how groups with the same beliefs can become very dangerous .
I personally detest followers or group thinking! Won’t be led or convinced by others of anything. I’ll search out for myself anything and everything. I trust no one with my personal life or thoughts.
If you love me than you are light and if you don't, you are dark...how simple it is! How people can be foolish in their despair, they will eat everything you give them
I wish there were recordings of Chad and Lori's conversations after these gatherings. I wonder if they carried on the facade with each other or if they just sat and laughed at how absolutely gullible their followers were?
I think they were laughing. I think that because how coldly Chad says in that text or email with LBD/Lolo about when did someone change Charles’s life insurance beneficiary, chad dayb says it will be interesting to see if that was changed after he had 2 bullets in his chest. Both are empowered by the seeming ease that they killed their spouses without law enforcement raising an eyebrow.
This is what happens when you teach children, who then become adults, that magical thinking is real. And gods and angels and demons are ACTUALLY flying around. It's pure infanitization. No different than any other kind of LARPing, except they pretend it's real.
Woe is me😔 she's putting on the performance of her life 🙄 hoping the Judge and jury members will see her as a little timid mouse🐁 and was an innocent participant of an evil cult😡
Asking Zulema if she was light or dark? If she had been dark they’d have killed her like Charles Tylee & JJ. Is Lori trying to throw Chad under the bus? I hope so as I’m certain Chad will do same to her, not going to make any difference though as both are guilty as sin.
I think her defense is trying to blame Alex & claim that she didn’t know anything. I have a feeling that Chad’s trial is going to be a lot different and they are going to go after Lori & Alex. But that’s just a guess 🤷♀️
Probably. It's a legal defense. Point the fingers at eachother to confuse the jury over who the real culprit is. Who was being "manipulated". In reality, none of them were manipulated. They're ALL guilty. It just comes down to how guilty. Zulema and Melanie should be sharing a seat with Lori right now.
Oh absolutely. She's just as stupid as they all are . And not to mention you can really see how much she disliked Lori's teenage daughter.. Tylee... During!Nate Eaton's interview.. it was so obvious to me.
Charles' demon was Garret and Garret was cast out but Ned a more powerful demon possessed Garret so obviously Charles had to be murdered. Goodnight Ned.
If you saw a movie like this you would laugh and say how dumb and far fetched it is. This would never happen in real life! Only it did. I think many more people would have died if they hadn’t been stopped
I know this way of thinking has nothing to do with the The of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. But this agree I truly feel that the people who joined this cult was possessed and it was total demonic.!!
I'm not an expert but I haven't read anything about any demons killing their own children. If anything, depending on the mythos, the Underworld is very fond of kids.
When Chad was describing Zulema’s death in a past life he was basically describing Tylee’s murder. It was suspiciously specific, I don’t doubt he SA’d her too before killing her.
@@123marlanamars they tried, they can only do so much. Anyone can say my spouse is sounding like a psycho. Lori was able to snow the professionals when she had to have a mental well-being check.
@@yourinnerlawyer4035 it’s a shame because many innocent families will have DHR called on them -while truly harmful families who have outsiders/insiders warning the police about true significant problems skirt by the system. It is worrisome.
She is responsible for all these deaths as far as I can see. Can the state really withdraw the immunity agreement? And will they? I hope you are right. Crazy people need mental help and should be charged! IMO
@@scarlett8127 Yes, they can. Immunity is given on the stipulation you fully cooperate. If she deviates from her interviews with LE or pulls a "I don't remember" when she previously attested to it, yes, they can withdraw it. The dastardly trio, her, Melanie Gibb (I notice they aren't referring to her as Warwick. In an intervuew with LE she crowed about the fact she was now a married woman so did David all ready divorce or annull the marriage? If so could it be because he suddenly realized her true involvement in all of this? Even though he is a leader in this group, Preparing A People or AVOW which I believe was renamed) and Lori's niece Melani Pawlowski. Why that last witch isn't in jail for the shopting attempt on her then husband Brandon Boudreax beats me. And two of her four children were deemed dark! We see what happens to dark children in this group. Zulema has a drug felony on her record.
And don’t forget MP and Alex cox were really trying to grab those kids from their grandparents house at some point and who knows what their plans were for those kids. She got arrested for that shit but I don’t think anything ever came of it.
@@georgiaamanatides4207 Thank you so much for that info. And I did hear the defense asked about her marriage to David and she said yes they were still married. Probably doesn't want his last name to be involved!
These people are scary and horrifying all at the same time! They have no moral compass at all and they are using religion as their vessel! How sick is that?
Could you imagine sitting there while all your “friends” who almost fell for your crap spill all the tea about how insane you are?! 😅 I would just be staring back at Lori the entire time while I was testifying! 👁️ 👄 👁️
None of them would have spilt anything but for saving their own skin. Gibb should have been charged. She could have spoke sooner, had she done so lives may have been saved. Instead she lied to the police to cover her 'Best Friend' who she'd known for all of 5 minutes. These woman are so stupid the're beyond dangerous.
I have always seen the good in people. I have believed in honesty. In this day and age, I have seen so much evil, hate and lies that I am having a hard time believing or trusting in people. It’s hard to understand how people can be so gullible and indoctrinated. As trusting as I had been, I could never be so sucked in to this obvious evil!
This woman's baby voice is put on because she sure didn't have that little baby voice when she was screaming and cussing Tyson draper when he tried to get a interview with her LOL.
Can you imagine Tylee, an intelligent, semi-rebellious teenager being around these religious nuts and listening to her mother talking to them on the phone constantly? I can just see her rolling her eyes at Chad!
@@DonnaLena1 why would they do that? & why does she have the power to not have cameras in the courtroom?!! she loves looking at herself but if you can enlighten me i would appreciate it! thank you
@@canbac4300 Judge Boyce agreed with her defense attorneys that cameras in the courtroom were inappropriate. He has made several rulings that were sympathetic to the defense. Also, he has made his rulings in sealed hearings which don’t allow the public to know what he has decided. The amount of secrecy on the part of the court in this case is mind blowing.
@@DonnaLena1 Thank you so much for your time & explanation! seems a bit shaky, could the judge worry about one of them putting the old dark juu juu on him🔥🙄
When these woman were interviewed by cops and reporters they were very flirtatious and giggling, and now they’re a lot more serious! Maybe it’s sinking in that they are involved in something very very bad, and should be in trouble
I watched her interview videos with Chandler police after Lori was arrested. Wow , what a trip that was. I can't believe in a modern day world this craziness is rampant. Common sense gone plumb out the window.
Fact.100%👍
Common sense never had a stronghold on a lot of people before this, so, it didn't stand a chance with these people!!!
@nrke7631
Religious extremes, quackery, and murder are not a world problem? You've got to be kidding. And if not, you don't know much about the world.
@@Wistful664
If you check the statistics around the world with school shootings & murders, America really does have a higher number of both, than most places...
I'm going to check that interview out and then come back to this --
Those people are evil..it sickens me to hear that Chad told Zulema she was a 14 yr old girl who was raped, burned and killed and was Lori's daughter in a past life..ironically Tylee was 16, Lori's daughter, and was murdered and burned, but was Tylee also raped?. Oh God I hope not..its just so strange to me that Chad told Zulema what actually happened to Tylee minus a rape..
😢😢😢😢I thought the same. They said her evil spirit was named Viola. And in another language it can mean rape :(
@@amisguidedgh0st What language?
I wouldn’t be surprised, they are all crazy
Oh god I never thought of that but Donna seraphina didn’t mention that so hopefully not- Chad was beyond sick- I didn’t know he had told Zulema that…
@@amisguidedgh0st Viola was Tammy's evil spirit.
The worst part in all this is the fact that if they didn't kill the children, they would've gotten away with the murders of their spouses. The police should be held accountable.
Yes, I fear that you are correct.
Especially sad is the police cam of Charles letting LE know what’s going on with Lori and doing nothing about it.
They were absolutely lazy and didn’t want to follow through smh.
@@debbiemartin2026 Charles was a smart man. He should have known to take a police escort to pick up his kid. It's really sad he fell for her trick
It's IDAHO !
How these "witnesses" aren't charged with the same crime is a crime in itself. This isn't Justice. RIP Tylee, JJ, Charles and Tammy
Thank you, East Idaho News, for running all these audio sessions. It allows us to follow and hear these people in their own voices rather than summarized by reporters afterwards. It's truly appreciated.
Right?!?!?! And after waiting 4 years for this trial, I appreciate it even more! ❤
Pray for him- he’s also a Mormon and seeped in false teachings through it. Most Mormons have been born into it and never know the true teachings.
It's part of our constitutional rights as Americans to witness any trial.
Lmao what do you think these reporters are doing 😂😂😂😂😂there summers, theories and opinions , not. Truth
Alex wasn’t muttered either you stupid people, you also are cult people your churches and a pastor dumb people you don’t even know the definition of a cult. Your man’s controlled idiots
She's sounds different here! She's not as pathetic as she's acting to be 🤦♀️ I'm pretty sure she knows exactly what happened.
Things have to be kept in perspective. She’s probably a bundle of nerves.
Of course she does. These morons, I mean Mormons, think we're the crazy ones. The acting on this full grown woman is astonishing. I really hope LE spends some time digging on this one...should be very interesting.
Agree 100%% she's a fake!
@@tcreative8030 oh please. Point the finger at the right people not the LDS faith. Geesh.
@@Reneepa4506 The LDS church in Rexburg LOVED Chad. Listen to the interviews with his sister in law. They kept giving Chad more and more important positions in their church, even while people were dying. Indeed, they didn't even excommunicate darling Chad until half a year AFTER the bodies of the two children were found on his property and he had been charged with THREE murders.
The LDS "church" backed all Chad's murderous chats with God, they enabled everything he did and gave him bigger and bigger platforms to sell his crap to LDS faithful. They criticized anyone who was LDS who questioned anything CHad was doing.
The LDS "church" is totally culpable in all this. Just as they have been in the many woman and child abusing and murdering groups that spring up from within the LDS ranks year after year..
They are interested only in money and keeping an iron unquestioning grip on their ranks.
Anyone who tells you that questioning makes you evil....is evil.
This testimony would’ve taken half the time without her saying ‘umm’ every other word, So annoying!
Sickening
Then the person asking the questions starts doing it also.
I was thinking the same thing. Why is she keeping saying umm every sentence.
Lol I just commented the same thing, even the attorney says it too much but Zulema said UM almost every other word. I have never heard somebody say UM that much ever.she said Um 10 times in one sentence.
@@sandrajames8998 even the attorney is saying Um way too much. I’ve never heard the word Um this much ever.
Just when I thought Tylee's death couldn't be any more horrific, I hear Zulema's testimony about Chad telling her about her death in a past life where she was killed at a young age, age 14, SA'd and then her body was dismembered. It just got more horrific.
I thought the same thing!!!!
I have a sick sick feeling they totally desecrated that poor girls body before she was cut up and burned. I think she was sexually assaulted. That sort of thing is almost always present in cults and she was more or less the only female in such a vulnerable position in the group. The first time I heard that there was hacking/ chopping marks all over her pelvic bones (which apparently is not a place to cut while dismembering) I just got this awful feeling like they must have done some extremely sick things to her body before they ever decided they were done with it and ready to get rid of it.
😢 please tell me the Lord took their sweet souls before all of this horror 🙏🏼💔
I can just see Lori believing some disgusting idea like if Chad assaulted her she'd forever be sister wives with her daughter * shudder *
This is just the most horrific story ever!!!!!
Does anyone actually believe all this bull crap ? WHO are the people who decide who is a bad person? What gives THEM the right to eliminate this person just because some wacko says it happened hundreds of years ago ?? Surely all this casting stuff is really an intent to kill that person ? WHO do these people think they are!!! Get finances straight (secure life insurance) before bumping them off
Zulema is dogging it.
All the um's, constantly drinking water, the little girl voice, talking slowly....watch her interviews by LE... vastly different.
Alex's death is damn suspicious.
Alex was murdered, no no way that it was and accident
Nerves aside, she has been well coached by her attorney.
Yes.....that's what I said above - this is a show for Lori 😞 I'm not sure how more people are not being held accountable and put on trial for the role they played ...
@@Trish.Norman Act like a dumb little girl, you got it!! lol 😂
Exactly, well said especially like you mention, the childish voice it’s a principle of Nichiren Buddhism, in the late 80s while learning herpetology, the narrator voice was so irritating, I learned she used this technique, I bet she practiced her voice technique knowing she had to testify.
She is “acting” super naive and innocent, don’t buy it. She previously claimed to control the weather. And was pretty aggressive on the phone with Alex et Al, and then the cops in previous recorded calls
Sure is acting her voice is not like here today. Look up her interviews from a year ago. Plus the um is put on.
It's how Mormon women are taught to "act"
I believe she was involved in Alex's death
@@robinettbanister1236 That is NOT true. I have been a member my whole life and this is so shocking and disturbing to me! These crazies twisted their sick desires in to a cult. They used bits and pieces of the LDS church, made them into whacked out, unbelievable beliefs to justify killing people. Just FYI any belief system can be used for evil purposes by evil people. MY church tel you to stay away from these kinds of "conferences," and authors like Chad Daybell. They have both been kicked out of the church officially and were not living the teaching before this happened.
i have not thought about her voice acting but true.. playing naive soft spoken childish ...all this church crap but now the jury members may also from LDS and who knows what they think....
How Lori and Chad are the only ones on trial is unbelievable.
Right. Melanie Polowski should be charged with conspiracy to murder Brandon. Melanie Gibb waiting to tell the police the truth.
Exactly!
Her niece Melanie is who I am most angry about- I mean of course they all knew and just wanted a part of all the money that Lori sold them IMO. But Melanie (niece) 100% was part of the attempted murder on Brandon. She was the only one who knew the address of his knew house. It really p!sses me off she’s just walking free when she didn’t believe that BS she tried to have her husband killed for life insurance money. Why doesn’t Brandon’s life matter? Thank God the bullet missed but it was not the intention for it to.
Totally agree - there are several other individuals who should be held accountable!!
I was thinking the same…
Her halting, soft voice and naïve innocence ACT is beyond disgusting. Why is she not charged with aiding and abetting, accessory after the fact or conspiracy to commit murder. I hope she struggles to sleep every night for the rest of her miserable life!!
does everyone on here think this person talking was in on the murders & all?? i'm not sure what you mean i'm not really familiar with this cluster€uck i'm hearing so you think she helped with it all? i'm surprised anyone is alive but i recall jim jones having all those ppl commit suicide ~ it's all too much for my little brain
@@canbac4300 There are so many text messages of her talking to lori about cursing charles and killing his demon, they all had burner phones too. Her husband Alex was the one that killed charles, JJ and Tylee and attempted to kill brandon and Tammy.
Well said!
Cluster phuk indeed! Horrendous
@@canbac4300 Jim jones followers were murdered
I really feel Melanie P, Melanie G, and Zulema should have been charged because they knew what was happening and did nothing but Melanie g on the stand said lori knew about the life insurance before they killed Charles and that's not true, and she was asked a couple times because the da knew she was incorrect idk how they're going to fix that oops, there’s phone recordings of when lori calls the life insurance company and found out she wasn't the beneficiary anymore and text messages lori was pissed!
Melanie the so called best friend should of definitely been charged for her role in getting all this stirred up about Charles being possessed she got him killed. She is a murderer too . Zulema would benefit from a padded cell at the very least. Saddie I agree 💯
Melanie Gibb was smart enough to tell the truth at the right time. If she hadn't done that she would be with chad and lori. Alex was smart enough to just die. 😮
She is, Melenia G, there after or before in every event even on videos. So how she would not know what was going on is absolute lunecy because I promise if I was around someone and I had to go to the police for this or that with someone and people were dying if I believed the nonsense or not I would be asking my friend what the heck or I would not be there anymore!!
It was painful to hear Melanie g telling that Lori knew before hand about the life insurance. I have to wonder did she do that to help Lori or what
Why didn't the DA charge her for perjury?
If I didn’t know better, I would think I was listening to a 9 year old testifying.
I agree. I find listening to the questioning of this witness to be very difficult. Even tortuous!!
I don't know; I would think about 12..
Listening to this witness is like pulling teeth. She accepted what Lori told her to do without question. Good God, how fragile is our grip on reality.
Think of we can't define what a woman is any longer. Reality is pretty much gone.
Very. The brain and human behavior is very comlexed.
AMEN !!!!! Wonderfully depicted ... could not have said it better. Thank you.
People are vastly different. There are all kinds of people believing all kinds of things all over the world. I don’t think there’s only one static, universally agreed-upon reality. And the idea that we should see the world and life in one way and call that reality is really bleak. Yeah, there’s a lot of horrible stuff like this out there, but there are also wonderful things that come of spirituality.
@@stacy6994 wow, seriously? You listened to this testimony and came here to somehow rope gender non-conforming people into this 🙄? May I remind you, that no one in this case has expressed anything but what I think anyone would consider socially accepted gender norms. In fact, as we’ve heard in testimony, Lori and Chad explicitly pushed a mandatory heteronormative worldview. I don’t see any transgender or nonbinary folks on trial here. But there are plenty of Jordan Peterson videos out there to comment on.
Why is she acting so timid??? She's just as crazy and ruthless as the rest of them!!! She said she could control the weather for crying out loud!!!
This is a rabbit hole. It keeps getting deeper. Unbelievable that people follow people who believe this.
There are still people who are following Chad’s beliefs, at least short of murder. None of these gullible people are big on critical thinking.
People who grow up in cults like Mormonism…😡
Because they don't fear God and keep his commandments.. this is all traditions of men that make the gospel of no effect 😢
@@Heseesyou Exactly. The religions of man do not necessarily equate with true faith in Christ. It's just empty idolatry that is really about self worship in the end. Mormonism among many others, isn't even remotely close to being an expositor of Scripture and the Gospel.
must be very uneducated people I think.
Zulema's breathy little baby voice drives me up the wall. She's trying to sound like a naive little girl who couldn't possibly be involved in anything "dark." So creepy. She didn't sound like that in the police interrogation video from 2021.
Yeah it’s pathetic
How sick and lame, pathetic might be a better word
Definitely attempting to come across as this little gullible girl who didn't know what was going on around her. I'm not buying it.
@@shanelisa27 100%
I find that with other women on UA-cam.. they talk like little girls.. videos with the whiny little kid voice and I can't stand it either..
She could have saved all of their lives. In my opinion, she should be charged with conspiracy.
Absolutely!
I agree she and that niece Melanie.
Did they get immunity?
Couldn't agree more.
Immunity looks better than jail for the crazy women who followed Lori and Chad when they “got together “
People that truly follow Jesus would never do anything like this
Amen!
Exactly!!!
Agree 100%
Duh! They were following Satan!
Amen to that!!! Had any of these idiots that claimed they were workers of Jesus actually picked up a Bible and studied the scriptures then they would have ALL KNOWN that Chad and Lori were both false prophets.
Letitia Stauch sounds more sane than these people and she is claiming The insanity defense. This is the world we live in with these scary people around our kids😮
Joseph Smith has millions of your kids.
We walk on eggshells when it comes to religion.
They are sane. That’s the big problem.
IMO, the entire LDS community not only looks gullible (to say it nicely), they make religion look bad. I’m not complaining though… 😏
@@donnapavina8803
Wait. You don't want to be a god? To have your own planet? Come on. It's all good. 🙄😳
Kudos to the female Prosecutor…she is direct, and remaining calm…and she’s got to be thinking in her head how CRAZY all this is!
I don’t know how she is keeping her cool at the unbelievable testimony of what went on!
Rhonda Davis- I have thought the same. What a bunch of WACKADOODLES!!!!
She knows all about this case and everyone involved. They have known for months to build this case.
The restraint to not shout, "And you fucking believed THAT?!" is astounding.
Unbelievable how polite and calm these lawyers have been when dealing with these witnesses and their delusions
Prosecution has had 3 years of learning about this horrendous case. I'm sure in the beginning they were all disgusted and heartbroken piecing it all together..thus, they all remained calm..😢
Listening to her gulp water and not being able to form words is disgusting. She didn't have any trouble playing angels and gods with Lori and Chad
Totally agree
Listening um to um this um testimony um is um absolute um torture
Don’t get the connection
@@JeepGirl941 😅
@@JeepGirl941 Yep. And Um (jeez I can't say that what can I say), Um (crap I can't say that either), Um (these jerks won't understand what I mean anyway), Um.... Gag a maggot! Smacking lips too and gulps - like freaking gollum.
And it’s hard to imagine how Zulema has managed to survive in this world with how stunningly gullible she is
£. Wddx;
Z is a fake acting all timid and hesitant. Lori would never have listened to her for a minute fast talker that she is. If z. Isn't faking it Lori and Chad would have killed her for being annoying. The
Jury is going to need counseling after all this. How any rational human being follows the nuts we have in the world now is baffling to me but just look at January 6..
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She didn’t manage did she? She got suckered by these psychopaths
the sole reason cults exists is because dimwits like this follow them
not gullible, she is acting! & lying!
She's far from gullible.
She's a world class grifter.
Very sketchy past.
Look her up.
Yeah. Go straight to demonic possession. Not Tylee being a typical moody teenager that might be a little upset with moving all the time and her mother being a slut . And JJ being slightly dysfunctional after the move fm Hawaii, to AZ,bto TX, to AZ , his parents NOT getting along, and then being swiftly moved to Rexburg: potty issues and wetting the bed is a telltale sign of trauma. Not demonic possession. If this goes down like FL and Casey Anthony I will forever lose all hope in our judicial system and any jury trial forever and always.
Lori withheld JJ’s medication. Tylee knew too much about the murder of Charles.
WOW this case is so awful so disturbing
Also there's the fact that Tylee and JJ were both struggling with grief over the loss of their father figure, Charles! Maybe that made an impact?! Ugh. Yea, but they're possessed.
With Capgras, the whole “demon is possessing this person I love!” thing is pretty common.
very well said
Why do I have the feeling that all of these loony people still deep down still believe in this nonsense.
They do……Melanie Gibb and David Warwick now believe they are the leaders of the 144000….
If they read the Bible they would know the 144000 are the Jews from the 12 tribes of Israel….
Same
from what it sounds like - it's called Mormonism. I think they must all be crazy.
It is the same denial that people who have been conned, have, i.e if I pretend it did not happen, then it did not happen therefore, if it did not happen I don't have to feel responsible....
This is beyond disgusting. The power that this chubby chinless guy had over people is insane. Lori is pure evil. The depth of the depravity is literally mind blowing.
@@jakesdad253 Msm post & report on only what they are told to!
Joanna...what are your thoughts on this...
Lori seduced the chubby chinless freak and he just ran with it ... seeing her infatuation fueled his Narcissistic personality.
On a side note I think Lori/Alex murdered their sister and Tylee's father, Joseph Ryan.
His knuckles nearly drag the ground. Not even Stephen King would want to go with Chad and his cemetery haunts.
Lori is putting a curse on Zulema.
Every time I see Chad, I think of the dad Peter Griffin from Family guy
Am I the only one who finds Zulema starting every sentence with "ahm" as ANNOYING?!
The entire group should be charged , all of sudden they have memory loss. Stories changed, Justice for Joe , Charles , Tammy , Tylee & J.J .
You can pick your friends, you can pick your nose... but you can't pick your witnesses. 🤦🏾♀️ this is painful to sit through.
right, this lady is acting so clueless!! I WOULD LIKE TO JUST SLAP HER
😂👏👏👏👏👏
I’ve added it to my ASMR list for my insomnia.
So next time you hear a mother earnestly express the desire that her husband and son should suddenly pass away, folks, just tell yourself it’s OK because they are not fully human.
Don’t blab even when they try to cause it, because you realise secretly at some level that wishful thinking alone can’t cause an “accident”.
Stand by passively while the targets are both monstered, literally, as something less than human - for as we all learned in our school lessons about 1930s Germany, dehumanising others is a common way to make destroying them socially acceptable.
As long as you yourself are very socially acceptable, nicely spoken, well dressed and polite, all is well unless and until the police actually come knocking on your door.
If they do, then just carry on being polite and talking in a soft little voice like a nice timid person, and people will magically absolve you of all moral responsibility for giving open malicious intent towards a child a pass, day after day. Even after the father is indeed killed and even after the child disappears.
Well said!
👏🏻
Amen! What a disgrace.
WELL SAID! SUMS IT UP!
You speak truth! Blacks were "subhuman" so it was ok to enslave them and treat them worst than you'd treat your dog, babies are "potential humans" so it's ok to rip them limb to limb or poisen them in the womb, etc., that is what is done if you want to destoy someone, say they aren't human.
When she took a long pause and then said, 'Give me a moment, my thoughts just got really jumbled in my mind', that was probably the only time she was telling the whole truth.
This Zulema knows way way more than she’s saying. How does one anyone not remember conversations of such people would say. No way she wants to be in court and especially on the stand. Her hesitations tell more than any words. Same as Melanie Gibb
Melani Gibb Warwick testified in Chads prelim hearing and her memory was horrendous!..she was so bad in remembering (selective) that Chads atty John Prior became frustrated and called her out on it..
You can watch Chads entire prelim hearing on youtube. Ive watched it 4 times. Each time i hear something I didn't hear before or just over looked..😮
Agree.
Umm is very annoying.
I find it really interesting that the Lori and Chad's congregation sound so timid like they can't mash ants yet, I am sure when they were performing casting rituals as a willing participant, they had strength, conviction and clarity of what they were going to say and do then.
They act like the Stepford Wives. Creepy
IDK? Didn't all these coo coo birds have special powers? That's why people like Lori and Chad associate with weak minded people. To feed their narcissistic selves! But, I have to say, Lori and Chad should make the dumbest, ruthless, criminals of all time list! I don't feel a bit sorry for these two. I feel these others should be charged with some kind of charge. They are dealing with grownups now! I can not stop listening to this trial. Absolutely like listening to a science fiction story! May God bless Charles, Tammy, Tylee, and JJ's soul!
'Can't mash ants' 🤣🤣
Why is this woman not in jail too?
Because participating in sceances and committing murder are two different things?
Given immunity most likely to testify (tell all) for state.
@@Hapenparadise All witnesses who testify for the State get use immunity.
She was given partial immunity. Remember there is still the AZ case that is being worked on. For her immunity, she has to tell the entire truth. Go back & watch her last interview with Idaho detectives when they went to visit her in AZ.
Every time I hear an explanation from Zulema I think it can’t get any crazier. But I’m wrong. It does get crazier each time.
Man I wish I could SEE this! Such hesitancy to talk and stalling before answering almost every question-is she nervous to answer cause Lori is sitting there in front of her? Or is it getting harder to keep all the lies straight? 😵💫
Am I the only one confused here about Zulema's response to the ride home from the St. George conference??? Didn't she say earlier that in the ride home Lori asked her to look up "James the Lesser" in their Mormon Book as well as a reference point to the angel leading the 144,000??
Yet, after looking at the pictures and identifying the people in the photographs from the conference in St. George, and asked for a second time if she remembered any interaction on the ride home from that conference, she said no, she didn't remember???
Correct me please if I am wrong.
@@JeanneGuarnieri-vs7zn yeah seems like she’s contradicted herself more than once? 🙄 Maybe she should stick with her go- to phrase-“I can’t remember”. 🤦🏼♀️😩
@bizebabe she married the brother a known executor- killer and yet she was chosen by these "holy" ppl and I think she is realizing how she was manipulated and most likely has known things but was blind to it to subconsciously protect herself from seeing that her faith was lying to her. How did she not know her husband was doing all these things? Her testimony is important. She mentioned to the police in an interview how she thought her husband was going to basically kill her as she was supposed to sleep on some plastic sheet, which is what killers do to dispose of a body. She had an awareness and is probably scared and guilty bc innocent ppl died, but yet she was "chosen" by these powerful religious ppl...
That’s how she was in police interviews, but even worse.
@@JeanneGuarnieri-vs7zni believe she asked “do you remember - anything else” and she answered i don’t remember. As in she doesn’t remember anything else that happened in addition to what she had previously just testified to remembering what happened and the scriptures Lori had her look up
These women at any time could have intervened. They are guilty of complacency. They are covering their own butts, especially the Melanie's ... They should be charged.
Co conspirators!… aiding and abetting !…no grooming as they already believed this crap!!
Complacency and conspiracy, that would get them talking quicker I bet…
I agree that the Melanie’s should definitely be charged and David - they knew what happened- who leaves a friends house after staying before the friend gets up? They couldn’t get out fast enough .. David had more than a dream I think…
Zulema worked in childcare. I always thought she should have been a mandated reporter when Lori said JJ would die soon.
You never know the law could come after them when this is done . Who knows… they must be scared … I thought they were when in the witness box
I can’t stand the whispery baby talk forcing to sound innocent
Zulrma: Um um um um um um and um um um and um um um (helplessly innocently breathlessly)
FAKE
This is Zulema’s standard way of presenting herself. Natural camouflage.
Um um child like Um Um
hahaha exactly!!!
I’m a 55 yr old girl fascinated by true crime, forensics, body language experts, interrogations, etc.
I’ve watched and listened to *a lot* of courtroom cases, testimony,etc etc.
This case here takes the cake by a landslide. I’ve never seen or heard such *crazy* in my entire life. Just when you think it can’t get any worse, it does. They top themselves, again and again. CRAZY on another level.
I divorced my narcissistic, manipulative, controlling, gaslighting sociopath ex-husband over 21 yrs ago and hearing this toxic, sick talk triggers my own ptsd. We’re not Mormon or churchgoers etc… I just had to divorce him to save myself and kids from his twisted manipulation
I'm so happy you got out ❤ I finally see narcissists for what they are almost immediately now. Almost ALL of my exes were narcissists. How long were you married?
@@aarenlescopb I wasn’t married very long, only 8 years. In my situation.. what made it way worse for me was that we also worked together in the same company.
When I filed for divorce, he was actually served divorce papers at work and the shxt hit the fan. He tried going to all our mutual friends and then some - to turn them against me, asked them to write him character statements about myself and him for court, etc. Divorces take 6 months to be finalized but he dragged me to court over custody issues, etc… costing me my sanity with his lies, gaslighting, accusations etc for an additional 3-4 years. It was truly insanity and crazy-making.
Having my two beautiful sons now in their mid/late 20s are the *only* good results from that marriage. Ironically, I’m still very close to his family who even think he’s whacko.
So glad I got away from him though.
Completely agree!
Is she sedated?? What is wrong with her? She cannot even form a sentence. 😡😠🤬🤯
Makes sense
If you don't get enough sleep you get a blurry brain. I probably would not have gotten good sleep before testifying in this case. She seems Perkins right after lunch. She might have had Coke or Pepsi to wake her up.
She is playing innocent
Low iq is my guess
Chad is sitting there casting on her
What's even more concerning is the number of people who wanted to hear Chad speak, particularly to youth and children! OMG. People, please - start thinking for yourselves and teach your children to do the same. Just because somebody slaps "Jesus" or "God" on it, doesn't make it legitimate.
I cannot believe people are this gullible
@traceybrenneman2291 Exactly!! I was raised LDS and was literally taught "exact obedience" and "blind obedience". I was taught to be brainless. Thank God I got out and started using my own brain and intuition. It's really scary how lds women are actually bred to be docile and display blind trust. As long as they "feel the spirit" at some point, they believe everything surrounding that is true. It's embarrassing at the very least, and deadly in this case. Lethal naivety.
Lori told them Jesus gave her permission to commit adultery...what?I would have ran from Lori if she told me that 😂😂😂
Yeah, and "Spirit" told her to take Charles' phone the day he died and probably kill everyone too. I guess If it's in "Name of God" u can do anything... 🤦♀️
She serves a very evil god his name is Lucifer. The minute my friend started putting me, or anyone else on the light dark scale, I would be out of there, knowing this was not of God. The minute she became the authority on past lives. I would be out of there. The minute she started having an affair and telling me it was of God, I would be out of there. The very second that people around them started dying. I would be totally out of there.
Omg me too. These friends of her are way too far out there for me. 😂
@Crystal McKinney neither exist. They were her own delusions and desires.
LOL....yup...Catholic here....all of this would have taken me 2 minutes to go "Well that's not legit".
I'm following this trial and the Leticia Stauch trial also. I must say after hearing LS scream and rant for an hour, listening to Zulemas passive tone is like going into another Hell altogether. Her calm affect is so in conflict with the story she's telling us. Chanting and casting out demons! These calm and seemingly harmless women going along with this cult is mind boggling.
Who is LS and where can I see the interview of screaming and ranting that u spoke of? Thanks,
Zulema is being very careful in her response. She doesn't want to incriminate herself. She seems very deceptive in her comments. I did watch her other interviews and she is completely different in how she talks.
Remember.. she has legal counsel at this trial. So I'm sure they've coached her!
I pray that the jury sees right through the lies that all of them involved are testifying to.
It is beyond heartbreaking what Lori did to her own children!
Zulema is as vindictive as Lori, Chad, both Melanie's...They are all diabolical humans. Zulema is so Cautious, taking so long to answer, because she is in deep herself. Hopefully in time, all these players will be held accountable also. Regards from Ireland 💜💙🧡💜💙🇮🇪
She is being given a Limited Use Immunity for her testimony. What is she being given immunity from that she would say whatever they wanted?
@Carol Milatz Zulema and both Melanie's knew everything... .. Maby a few others also..They are all so shady and pathological liars. Disfunctionable humans. Imagine anyone praying that Children and adults would die??? They have no morals whatsoever. Regards from Ireland 💜💙🧡💜💙🇮🇪💚
howdy from georgia usa & ontario canada 🇨🇦🇺🇸🇺🇸🇨🇦👋👋👋👋
Just listened to her police interview, not at all the same person. Her appearing pitiful on the stand is all an act.
Having to listen to this lady on the stand the entire time, will be the death of me. It was nice knowing yall'.
☠☠🤣🤣🤣🤣
She sounds like a 10 yr old girl
It's called
Keep Sweet voice.
Very prevalent in their religion.
The false story about being killed and dismembered at a young age is exactly what happened to Tylee.
4.2 scale of gullibility. Amazing how sucked in they all were. Chad was just making it all up on the fly. He deserves the death penalty. Ande Melanie Gibb is a liar. Lori didn't know about the life insurance change...
I feel that gibb and zulema are big liars. They protected their friends when these friends were clear that they wanted certain family members taken out. They are only cooperating now so they wont be charged
Not gullible. Power hungry
Mel Gibb blew it in her testimony when she said that Lori knew about the insurance change before Charles (rip) died.
Add Zulema to this list!
Melanie and stuttering zulemia should be sharing a cell right next to him.
Can anyone imagine someone would want to come and hear Zulema speak ? Good lord,it would take HOURS 🤨
😡🤬😡🤬😡 what a set of conning lying devious bastards we have here. . They ALL deserve jail time or worse 😡🤬😡🤬
RIP Tylee and JJ 🙏🕊
Let’s not forget all the victims, Justice for J.J , Tylee, Charles, Tammy & Joe. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
And in the end probably Alex@@grandmasadvice3012
I agree. These other co horts need prosecuting
I have thought the same thing,
Your not wrong at all!!! There’s is a place for all these people!!! I like to put them in the Hitler wing of hell!!! That’s special place for people like Lori and her cohorts!!!
This is like pulling teeth trying to get details from this lady. 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄
It’s killing me!
could not agree more - she actually irritates me - i want to listen, but find it bloody annoying to listen to her pathetic victim voice
I came to the comments to see if anyone else was about to lose their minds listening to her slow, drawn out answers! This is so aggravating & tedious! Ugh! 🤨🤯
@@darkmoongoddess9791 Me, me, me! I only lasted 20 min
Omg i thought the same!!!! So fucking annoying
She should be going to jail too
Was anyone else screaming just spit it out lady?! It was like pulling teeth while drinking water trying to get her to answer any questions. She’s playing the part of an innocent child. All of us know she’s just as guilty but pretending to be naïve. Absolutely ridiculous!! Rest in peace JJ, Charles, Tylee, and Tami ! ❤
Is it just me or does anyone else question themselves about their own sanity ? How could anyone sit and listen to another human being talk about meeting angels ITS BEYOND BELIEF THAT THEY SAT THROUGH ALL LORI’S CRAP. She must have drugged them either that or they are all in it along with her.
Exactly , I sit here thinking how the hell can sane adults believe this absolute crap those 2 fed them. I am acctually starting to think they all deserve to go to jail with Lori even if its just for stupidity. Seriously how can you believe this BS !!!
a bunch of bored housewives that got excited about feeling special , isnt all religion about suspending common sense and believing the unbelievable ?
People believe the Bible so sure, people will believe anything.
What is the old saying? When I talk to God, it's called prayer. When God talks to me, it's called psychosis.
It’s because they were brought up in the LDS faith which has teachings that are sort of similar/if you believe that it’s not a far jump to here. And if no have. No critical thinking skills….
I'm just mind blown....can't imagine the Jury in this situation ❤
Right! Imagine the look on their faces. I’d like to see Loris face.
@@kawehionalani I’d love to know how crazy it sounds to her?
@Grannie, Gigi McKelvey, a journalist in the courtroom, said she'd never seen a more attentive jury. She said they were taking notes. She said when they heard that Alex was the one who killed Charles, multiple mouths dropped open.
how do any of these people keep a straight face
Every time she says um I die a little inside
😂
Yes so did a least 3 other ( now deceased) people.
Same. Esp in the middle of sentences😊
This attorney is amazing asking questions with calmness and carefulness
OMG spit it out! When someone hesitates every question pretty sure she is lying!! Umm ummm ummm good grief
She is not lying. The texts exist. And the texts are crazy.
How can people be so gullible it is beyond me !
Look at all the republican voters!
Because they want to be special, like "of course Jesus will come to meet me", or they don't want to admit they've been fooled so they double down as in “we couldn't cast out the soul of the husband we said was possessed with just prayers and voodoo, so we'll let a gun help us with all the work"
GULLABLE? Complacent? Ignorant?
@@orpheus1180 There will always be followers that attach themselves to someone charismatic , then decide to follow the “leader for various reasons. Mostly if you don’t have to make decisions, because they are made for you, then if things go badly, it’s never you fault but that of your “leaders” . Life experiences from childhood and family norms can be a set up for always acquiescing, giving your power to others. People want to belong and gain approval from others, not having a feeling of their own autonomy. Sad.
@@orpheus1180 Only a truly "vulnerable" lying lib would hold such a position and type it out in a context such as this. What's wrong with you?
What puzzles me is when Charles was shot by Alex Wouldn't the police dept see he was in jail with the Ryan incident attack and see it was fishy?
Not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier. If you want to commit murder, go to Arizona. Stupidity of the cops there are beyond belief.
You'd think! Had Arizona cops done a lot more many people would be alive today! Charles begged for help and no one listened!
@@rainy5053 couldn't agree more
Exactly! And they should reopen the investigation into Joe’s death, as well
It’s insane they took it to his word, especially Charles had been almost an hour before he called 911.
Justice for Charles Vallow and Joseph Ryan
That's why I'm not good in groups, I am an individual and not easy swayed. At 59, I really don't fit any social norm, so it's hard to meet anyone who understands me. But I understand how groups with the same beliefs can become very dangerous .
Bless you, Bugsea. I am the same at my 40´s and perfectly happy in my little circle of friends
who gets me :)
Me as well
I personally detest followers or group thinking! Won’t be led or convinced by others of anything. I’ll search out for myself anything and everything. I trust no one with my personal life or thoughts.
If you love me than you are light and if you don't, you are dark...how simple it is!
How people can be foolish in their despair, they will eat everything you give them
If I can control you and you blindly obey me, you're light. If I can't and you won't, you're dark.
But the kids loved her.
If you inconvience me. If you are chubby or ADD. If you are a child.
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The dark spirits got in their way or annoyed them.
I wish there were recordings of Chad and Lori's conversations after these gatherings. I wonder if they carried on the facade with each other or if they just sat and laughed at how absolutely gullible their followers were?
I think they were laughing. I think that because how coldly Chad says in that text or email with LBD/Lolo about when did someone change Charles’s life insurance beneficiary, chad dayb says it will be interesting to see if that was changed after he had 2 bullets in his chest.
Both are empowered by the seeming ease that they killed their spouses without law enforcement raising an eyebrow.
Always wondered this same thing
@@Roloves-frank good point. Just found out about that text this week. I hope he gets the DP.
Mad respect East Idaho News for the wonderful audio quality. Seriously lol, thank you :-)❤
This is what happens when a group of egomaniacs find each other. It's all about their own egos....
Exactly
This is what happens when you teach children, who then become adults, that magical thinking is real. And gods and angels and demons are ACTUALLY flying around. It's pure infanitization. No different than any other kind of LARPing, except they pretend it's real.
Ughhhhh!
If we all took a shot every time an umm… umm… ummm… ummm… ummm… ummm… ummm… ummm…
None of us would survive. 🤦♀️
Lord, 𝐌𝐀𝐊𝐄 𝐈𝐓 𝐒𝐓𝐎𝐏!!!!!!!! 😤
It’s painful. So painful.
I can’t not hear it now. Thanks.
Make it stopppppp!!! I’m 39 min in and I think I have to turn it off!! Jesus wheezes!!
Woe is me😔 she's putting on the performance of her life 🙄 hoping the Judge and jury members will see her as a little timid mouse🐁 and was an innocent participant of an evil cult😡
How ironic Zulema was Lori daughter in a past life, who was murdered and burned when in reality, her daughter Taylee was killed in the same manner 😢
Asking Zulema if she was light or dark?
If she had been dark they’d have killed her like Charles Tylee & JJ.
Is Lori trying to throw Chad under the bus?
I hope so as I’m certain Chad will do same to her, not going to make any difference though as both are guilty as sin.
I think her defense is trying to blame Alex & claim that she didn’t know anything. I have a feeling that Chad’s trial is going to be a lot different and they are going to go after Lori & Alex. But that’s just a guess 🤷♀️
There is an interview where she talked about a thing that happened where she thought Alex tried to kill her!
@@msalyssababy these two evil cons full of BS Lori and Chad their trail..should have been together!
Probably. It's a legal defense. Point the fingers at eachother to confuse the jury over who the real culprit is. Who was being "manipulated". In reality, none of them were manipulated. They're ALL guilty. It just comes down to how guilty. Zulema and Melanie should be sharing a seat with Lori right now.
@@roninboxers ⁶⁶ļ
She's as guilty as Lori and Chad. I CANNOT believe how she tries to make her voice sound all innocent. Oh PLEEEEASE! Um...um...um...um....um....
She try to sounds like Lori
Yup! She’s trying not to incriminate herself bc she knows she’s also responsible!
And do not forget Melanie Gibb and Lori’s niece Melanie.
@@lilypartida I heard she was given immunity to testify for the prosecution. Is someone really this delusional?
@@jaycees9287 I heard the same thing and yes she is .
These people are so gullible to believe this crap!
They have probably been indoctrinated since they were children, so its not that much of a leap.
By two people that were actually trying to manipulate each other lol
I don’t understand how Zelema and the helpers Were not charged .. she was involved with all this
Melanie gibb was balls deep in this, like I always knew she was😡
Oh absolutely. She's just as stupid as they all are . And not to mention you can really see how much she disliked Lori's teenage daughter.. Tylee... During!Nate Eaton's interview.. it was so obvious to me.
Can’t make this stuff up!!..it’s astonishing
Charles' demon was Garret and Garret was cast out but Ned a more powerful demon possessed Garret so obviously Charles had to be murdered. Goodnight Ned.
If you saw a movie like this you would laugh and say how dumb and far fetched it is. This would never happen in real life! Only it did. I think many more people would have died if they hadn’t been stopped
I know! Even the most vivid imagination couldn't come up with this
It really is beyond any comprehension how this could have happened. RIP JJ and Tylie..
Just speechless how demonic this all is.
What kind of NUTS think all this up? Divorce HAD to be cheaper and easier. Certainly more humane.
Yes and they all can legally VOTE for a POTUS!
@@lynnegackstetter2779 I was under the impression that prison inmates could NOT vote. I believe that is true.
I know this way of thinking has nothing to do with the The of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. But this agree I truly feel that the people who joined this cult was possessed and it was total demonic.!!
I'm not an expert but I haven't read anything about any demons killing their own children. If anything, depending on the mythos, the Underworld is very fond of kids.
When Chad was describing Zulema’s death in a past life he was basically describing Tylee’s murder. It was suspiciously specific, I don’t doubt he SA’d her too before killing her.
I thought the same. Why o why didn’t the police listen to Charles and save their lives?
@@123marlanamars they tried, they can only do so much. Anyone can say my spouse is sounding like a psycho. Lori was able to snow the professionals when she had to have a mental well-being check.
@@yourinnerlawyer4035 it’s a shame because many innocent families will have DHR called on them -while truly harmful families who have outsiders/insiders warning the police about true significant problems skirt by the system. It is worrisome.
@@yourinnerlawyer4035 she threatened him too many times. They didn’t listen. And now a bunch of people are dead.
@@yourinnerlawyer4035 You’re absolutely correct!
She only believes the part about her own specialness; she knows how to say "what they said" when necessary to absolve herself
Zulema is a perfect example of the saying: There's no fixin' stupid". Too gulible and etc.
‘Her stupid’ has saved her skin! How stupid is she!? 🤔🤔
Don't confuse stupid with Evil!
She is just acting
Zulema does a lot of "I don't remember".
We know she was given immunity.
Zulema had best cooperate fully. The state can revoke immunity at any time.
She is responsible for all these deaths as far as I can see. Can the state really withdraw the immunity agreement? And will they? I hope you are right. Crazy people need mental help and should be charged! IMO
@@scarlett8127 Yes, they can. Immunity is given on the stipulation you fully cooperate. If she deviates from her interviews with LE or pulls a "I don't remember" when she previously attested to it, yes, they can withdraw it.
The dastardly trio, her, Melanie Gibb (I notice they aren't referring to her as Warwick. In an intervuew with LE she crowed about the fact she was now a married woman so did David all ready divorce or annull the marriage? If so could it be because he suddenly realized her true involvement in all of this? Even though he is a leader in this group, Preparing A People or AVOW which I believe was renamed) and Lori's niece Melani Pawlowski. Why that last witch isn't in jail for the shopting attempt on her then husband Brandon Boudreax beats me. And two of her four children were deemed dark! We see what happens to dark children in this group.
Zulema has a drug felony on her record.
And don’t forget MP and Alex cox were really trying to grab those kids from their grandparents house at some point and who knows what their plans were for those kids. She got arrested for that shit but I don’t think anything ever came of it.
@@georgiaamanatides4207 Thank you so much for that info. And I did hear the defense asked about her marriage to David and she said yes they were still married. Probably doesn't want his last name to be involved!
They need to revoke her immunity just for saying “um” so many times.
These people are scary and horrifying all at the same time! They have no moral compass at all and they are using religion as their vessel! How sick is that?
Could you imagine sitting there while all your “friends” who almost fell for your crap spill all the tea about how insane you are?! 😅 I would just be staring back at Lori the entire time while I was testifying! 👁️ 👄 👁️
I cant imagine! I so wish there were cameras!
They look just as insane, IMO. They were able to manipulate so many people with their B.S.
@@JennBX1 Agree completely!
Or Allegedly covering their own backsides
None of them would have spilt anything but for saving their own skin. Gibb should have been charged. She could have spoke sooner, had she done so lives may have been saved. Instead she lied to the police to cover her 'Best Friend' who she'd known for all of 5 minutes. These woman are so stupid the're beyond dangerous.
I have always seen the good in people. I have believed in honesty. In this day and age, I have seen so much evil, hate and lies that I am having a hard time believing or trusting in people. It’s hard to understand how people can be so gullible and indoctrinated. As trusting as I had been, I could never be so sucked in to this obvious evil!
You left out Greed.
I love how Melanie Gibb act like she wasn't involved she introduced them... I bet they all still are into this weird cult shit!!!
1:36:48 Lori was correct. JJ and Tylee were being attacked by demons. Demons named Chad and Lori.
Just spit it out, how long does it take to say yes or no, if I was in the jury box I would be snoring by now.
Does she believe people will think she's a five-year-old if she talks like one?
As we had hoped, the sketch artist found her groove! Thank you for the excellent coverage of this case.
You think? Maybe the artist hit the mark with Zulema but totally blew it with Melanie Gibb and Lori; they made them look like hags!
I thought the picture of Zulema looked way to young. She has grown children and is older as I recall.
Hahaha
@@lindas.1145 Yes, this seems far too flattering for the real Zulema.
This woman's baby voice is put on because she sure didn't have that little baby voice when she was screaming and cussing Tyson draper when he tried to get a interview with her LOL.
Exactly she full of it
Can you imagine Tylee, an intelligent, semi-rebellious teenager being around these religious nuts and listening to her mother talking to them on the phone constantly? I can just see her rolling her eyes at Chad!
i hope they both get the death penalty! couldn't happen to a nicer couple 🤬😡
@@canbac4300 Unfortunately the DP for Lori has been taken off the table by Judge Boyce 😒😠☹️
@@DonnaLena1 why would they do that? & why does she have the power to not have cameras in the courtroom?!! she loves looking at herself but if you can enlighten me i would appreciate it! thank you
@@canbac4300 Judge Boyce agreed with her defense attorneys that cameras in the courtroom were inappropriate. He has made several rulings that were sympathetic to the defense. Also, he has made his rulings in sealed hearings which don’t allow the public to know what he has decided. The amount of secrecy on the part of the court in this case is mind blowing.
@@DonnaLena1 Thank you so much for your time & explanation! seems a bit shaky, could the judge worry about one of them putting the old dark juu juu on him🔥🙄
The ' um' is driving me to distraction
LIke the other post said below, how are Chud and Lolo the only ones on trial here?
This testimony is like nails on a chalkboard
When these woman were interviewed by cops and reporters they were very flirtatious and giggling, and now they’re a lot more serious! Maybe it’s sinking in that they are involved in something very very bad, and should be in trouble
Yeah. Listen to Melanie Gibb with the police interviews….very chatty
I agree. In my mind Melanie Gibb and Zulema are GUILTY
@@lizajane1878 I agree, hopefully more arrests are coming
Melanie Gibbs seem to be enjoying it!
The more the case unravels,the sadder it gets for those poor children that had to live with these Demonic Beast's!!?
She tries to make her voice sound innocent. She sure didn’t talk like this any other time. Disgusting.
Lori righteous?? My God Chad playing the priest!