Why all ATCs in this video "chew" words, don't finish them correctly and generally talk too fast? Just a little bit slower and they wouldn't need to repeat 90% of stuff that had to be repeated. I'm not a pilot or ATC, but see this often while watching other ATC transmissions...
My original response to your comment was rather rude and bashed you. However, to paraphrase my response, you have no idea about radios! It's not just "key the mic" and bang a recording. The radio frequency is an AM signal being recorded in a digital format. AM being one of the first forms of radio used for voice communications isn't all "cool and crisp" like others forms. So that's your "chewy". Also, most digital recording systems just don't record 24/7/365. They go into sleep mode after a certain time. So once the mic is keyed, the carrier signal will wake up the receiver and then the computer recording it. Also, distance plays a role. In this clip, the pilot was on oxygen per the rules, so you're going to get him or her breathing while talking. Another point is that when editing down, let's say an hour of recording, it's not going to be perfect. So maybe knowing more than what you replied would make for a better and more enjoyable comment!
@@N2NDF before you reply, think about what you just read. You missed the point completely - didnt say anything about quality of the audio. The "chew" part was about ATC speaking and not finishing words clearly especially at the end of message. Its not a competition who will say more words in one minute. Ofc we dont know how busy controller is at the time, but just a little bit slower would be faster and SAFER in the end because you dont need to repeat same thing twice or even three times(saying in general, not just this clip). Btw, in army I was radio guy, so maybe I dont know much about ATC comms, I do know something.
@@Faceoff1984 so you say. Just because "slowing down" speech would make it better is incorrect. If you have ever listened to people speaking on AM frequencies. You would understand. Also the controller speaking fast is due to having how many airplanes in his or her airspace along with an emergency. So besides relaying via phone comms, multiple planes on the frequency, and a emergency, speaking fast is justified. As for the pilots making ATC repeat himself, have you even had a chance to understand what exactly they are doing on the flight deck? Try running checklists, figuring out the problem, work a radio, and fly a plane. Yes there are two or three pilots. Let's see how you do. Yet with all that sometimes the radio due to fluctuations of AM radio and distance.. you don't always hear it correctly or the first time....
@@N2NDF what part of repeating of same info 2 or 3 times don't you understand? Is that necessary? Yes or no? I can understand that you sometimes need to repeat something, especially when pilots have emergency - but lately a lot of comms need repeating because of fast speaking or "chewing" words... Maybe you need to check some European ATC coms, even when english is not their first language. Like I said, I did comms in army - and I understand what you say but I try to make one point, you totally different 😁 NHF but no use to continue to discuss like this runnin in circles...
@Faceoff1984 Yes, English as a second language is a problem. But if they didn't edit the actual audio, it might be a give a better understanding. I have had a background in radio communications for over 20 years. Ham radio, digital, AM/FM, etc. Have ATC controller friends and pilots as well. We know any emergency takes priority. The ATC controller will speak fast due to needing to give and get information in a small amount of time. Making sure the plane can descend to the lower levels. And be able to move without other planes in the way. So, that controller is working with 3 to 4 others to make sure it happens. Also, they give the pilot all the info he has asked for. Like smoke/fume, they want runway 13L, for example. I talk to an Italian pilot friend all the time via HF across the Atlantic on Ham Radio. So chewing can be understandable. Accent can play apart. Also, in ATC world 3 is said tree. Obviously, 9 inls niner... pilots are taught to Aviate, communicate, and navigate. Working check lists is just the protocols. Make sure it is not this or that. So the crew working together they might not hear the request, but they did their callsign. It happens.
@@flyerdon3116 And you're sure that OP is suggesting that they believe that there was only one pilot onboard and not speaking to how airlines want to change it so that they can save costs?
@@BabyMakRI understood and agreed with what he wrote. I was responding to jj9it’s comment. I didn’t care for his “new to aviation?” comment so I thought I would point out something he obviously didn’t know.
I had smoke in the cockpit, couldn’t see the right seater, heavy aircraft, met by ambulances once clear of the runway. Aviate Navigate, Comm just enough to get what you need. Who gives a FF for comm style points?
As long as they get the plane on the ground intact, Internet style points awarded by self-appointed ATC communication experts don't count and are trivial.
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The more I learn about aircraft maintenance the safer I feel when I fly, the more I watch these ATC videos the more nervous I get again LOL
Just fly to PANC we have the lowest report rate of any major ATC region when factoring ZAN, A11 and Local. Including all our local facilities.
Perfect communication from all involved.
Hope this was sarcasm LOL if Delta didn't wake up approach he'd still be flying across Jersey waiting to be turned in for the approach
@@SpaceGeek321 it was not sarcasm at all.
Too many imprecise questions, too many imprecise answers. Ask what you need to know and only that and answer what was asked and only that.
Worked out just fine without your suggestions.
@@RLTtizME Yeah, the „it worked just fine“ strategy is super smart in commercial aviation.
Oh we don't have a gate and someone in the back is dying, but nah cancel the emergency we don't need further assistance....
Why all ATCs in this video "chew" words, don't finish them correctly and generally talk too fast? Just a little bit slower and they wouldn't need to repeat 90% of stuff that had to be repeated. I'm not a pilot or ATC, but see this often while watching other ATC transmissions...
My original response to your comment was rather rude and bashed you. However, to paraphrase my response, you have no idea about radios! It's not just "key the mic" and bang a recording. The radio frequency is an AM signal being recorded in a digital format. AM being one of the first forms of radio used for voice communications isn't all "cool and crisp" like others forms. So that's your "chewy". Also, most digital recording systems just don't record 24/7/365. They go into sleep mode after a certain time. So once the mic is keyed, the carrier signal will wake up the receiver and then the computer recording it. Also, distance plays a role.
In this clip, the pilot was on oxygen per the rules, so you're going to get him or her breathing while talking. Another point is that when editing down, let's say an hour of recording, it's not going to be perfect. So maybe knowing more than what you replied would make for a better and more enjoyable comment!
@@N2NDF before you reply, think about what you just read.
You missed the point completely - didnt say anything about quality of the audio.
The "chew" part was about ATC speaking and not finishing words clearly especially at the end of message. Its not a competition who will say more words in one minute.
Ofc we dont know how busy controller is at the time, but just a little bit slower would be faster and SAFER in the end because you dont need to repeat same thing twice or even three times(saying in general, not just this clip).
Btw, in army I was radio guy, so maybe I dont know much about ATC comms, I do know something.
@@Faceoff1984 so you say. Just because "slowing down" speech would make it better is incorrect. If you have ever listened to people speaking on AM frequencies. You would understand. Also the controller speaking fast is due to having how many airplanes in his or her airspace along with an emergency. So besides relaying via phone comms, multiple planes on the frequency, and a emergency, speaking fast is justified.
As for the pilots making ATC repeat himself, have you even had a chance to understand what exactly they are doing on the flight deck? Try running checklists, figuring out the problem, work a radio, and fly a plane. Yes there are two or three pilots. Let's see how you do. Yet with all that sometimes the radio due to fluctuations of AM radio and distance.. you don't always hear it correctly or the first time....
@@N2NDF what part of repeating of same info 2 or 3 times don't you understand?
Is that necessary?
Yes or no?
I can understand that you sometimes need to repeat something, especially when pilots have emergency - but lately a lot of comms need repeating because of fast speaking or "chewing" words... Maybe you need to check some European ATC coms, even when english is not their first language.
Like I said, I did comms in army - and I understand what you say but I try to make one point, you totally different 😁
NHF but no use to continue to discuss like this runnin in circles...
@Faceoff1984 Yes, English as a second language is a problem. But if they didn't edit the actual audio, it might be a give a better understanding. I have had a background in radio communications for over 20 years. Ham radio, digital, AM/FM, etc. Have ATC controller friends and pilots as well. We know any emergency takes priority. The ATC controller will speak fast due to needing to give and get information in a small amount of time. Making sure the plane can descend to the lower levels. And be able to move without other planes in the way. So, that controller is working with 3 to 4 others to make sure it happens. Also, they give the pilot all the info he has asked for. Like smoke/fume, they want runway 13L, for example. I talk to an Italian pilot friend all the time via HF across the Atlantic on Ham Radio. So chewing can be understandable. Accent can play apart. Also, in ATC world 3 is said tree. Obviously, 9 inls niner... pilots are taught to Aviate, communicate, and navigate. Working check lists is just the protocols. Make sure it is not this or that. So the crew working together they might not hear the request, but they did their callsign. It happens.
What does Parch mean?
It's an intersection in the sky. A fixed GPS location for aircraft to plan routes along. They're usually 5 letter "words".
Poor radio communications all the way around
Imagine having only 1 pilot handling an emergency situation
The other pilot is flying the plane. One is on coms, one is flying. New to aviation?
@@User-jj9it I think OP is talking about how there are 'talks' about only having 1 pilot on board and using computers to do the other pilot's work.
Actually there were three pilots on board. New to ETOPs operations?
@@flyerdon3116 And you're sure that OP is suggesting that they believe that there was only one pilot onboard and not speaking to how airlines want to change it so that they can save costs?
@@BabyMakRI understood and agreed with what he wrote. I was responding to jj9it’s comment. I didn’t care for his “new to aviation?” comment so I thought I would point out something he obviously didn’t know.
I had smoke in the cockpit, couldn’t see the right seater, heavy aircraft, met by ambulances once clear of the runway. Aviate Navigate, Comm just enough to get what you need. Who gives a FF for comm style points?
Delta 3, Delta 5, Delta 6, whole aircraft, just cockpit on oxygen, approach controller is asleep,... yikes all around.
who's flying the plane? foreigners? communication is so poor.
@@Sean-C what is wrong with people like you?
@@malahammerwhat's wrong with you!
Horrid communications, and again the "declaring emergency" instead of the international standard
They weren't international.
@@JohnSmith-zi9or Doesn't matter. ICAO phraseology applies
@@MrFinessed Your point is trivial.
@@RLTtizME How exactly is it trivial?
As long as they get the plane on the ground intact, Internet style points awarded by self-appointed ATC communication experts don't count and are trivial.