His reaction to seeing her naked was something I really wanted to see. They completely dropped the ball on that, especially since Luke did such a great job with his expressive acting.
Very true! We loved her expression when he dropped trou. So we equally (if not more so from female gaze) needed to see his expression when her corset dropped. Who wouldn't want to be gazed upon with complete and utter unhindered desire.
@@Emnms68 omg i deadass said in my comment that he should've said aquamarines because i feel those are actually more accurate than an ocean or whatever! i hadn't read your comment before, haha. Luke Newton also has blue eyes so I was like, "Why are we pointing out someone else also has 'blue' eyes?"
Definitely agree with the criticism about her eyes being "two blue pools" the wording of that line is clunky and weird. And the writing feels lazy. Come on, the writers could have done so much better considering how gorgeous Pen/Nic's eye are! "Any of the seas I have seen cannot compare with your crystalline blue eyes" I don't know, something like that.
Her eyes are like the crystal blue waters of Greece on a bright summer’s day, or maybe the crystal blue waters of Greece must be jealous of her eyes, for they cannot imagine shining as bright.
Felt the same way about Colin’s shifting of the blanket on the chaise. I absolutely got the impression that was Luke covering up Nicola rather than something Colin would actually do with Penelope in the moment. Sweet, but took me out of it. Also yes to the chaise looking a bit uncomfortable, especially for a first time! 😅
Also wish they were in a bed. If I remember from the book Colin stopped their encounter on the couch in the drawing room, because Pen deserved her first time in a bed.
I think that the cover-up with the blanket was actually for Luke. I have noticed that we never see Colin’s stomach below the waist - this is true when he is in the carriage with his brothers in episode 1, in the scene where he wakes up after dreaming of Pen post first kiss, throughout the mirror/chaise scene, and the final sex scene near the end of episode 8. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Luke not wanting to show that part of his body (in that’s the case), but it just feels like they handled it awkwardly at several points of the season. And whyyyyyyy did the blanket completely cover their legs on the chaise lounge, I found it so awkward that their legs looked like a big unruly mass under the blanket, and I had no idea whose legs were where.
"The way that you perceive me, have perceived me throughout my life, has been my grounding - my calling to home. I have been dreaming about the soft cascade of your curls, how they might feel in my hands, but I wonder now if I were cheated. No ocean could match to your eyes, surely. No comparable exists to your wit, your sensitivity, your kindness. There is no land out there now I would ever rather venture than what I may be permitted to... touch? (consent check) To kiss? (she kisses him) To... love? (they're halfway to missionary already) My beautiful bride." -My rewritten Colin seduction monologue
I think the thing about the carriage scene is that they were so caught up in their feelings. I mean this is all Penelope ever wanted. For Colin to see her to want to be with her. And Colin is so caught up in his feelings. He scared that Penelope is not going to feel the same but once he realized that she feels the same he's so relieved and so caught up that everything is a rush for him. It's like he needs to touch her kiss her feel that this moment is real. So his hands are roaming everywhere. He's feeling all types of things he never felt before. . So I think that's why the mirror scene seem a little bit softer. I felt like it was the first time for both of them . The carriage scene was just them acting on their feelings instead of thinking. I think in the mirror scene I think he's trying to be gentle trying to show affection he was trying to go slow and be careful if you understand what I'm saying. I think for me that's difference. I do agree that they could have been more talking . Better words could have been said. Also I'm really hoping that we will see them in season 4 and that the writers and directors looked at your video and get more ideas for their love fest
I agree with the criticism of Colin's monologue. If the actors didn't want to cross the line in physical contact, then they had to cross the line in verbal seduction. Colin and Penelope are both writers. Words should be more exciting than touching. Earlier, we see how Colin is awkward with words when he compliments debutantes and we see his greed and indelicacy with girls in a brothel. In my opinion, to enhance the effect of this scene and emphasize that EVERYTHING is different with Penelope. It was necessary for Colin to be extremely gentle and attentive to her in caresses and defiantly seductive in words
no cos he spent time in Greece...literally known for its breathtaking ocean. girl be for real. he could've gone w 'your eyes rival the very ocean which birthed Venus herself'. i just wanna know who wrote the 'pools' line, like come on man rly?
Ok i just went to see it with Hungarian dubs to find this out(i hate the dub.never watched it with it) , and he says : 'how your eyes shine.when you look at me..like two stars' Not bad at all!
I would have loved for her to start by covering herself up, then have Colin gently draw her arms down to her sides, maybe a slight caress on the way past, then tell her she gorgeous. And yes, we NEEDED to see his expression!
Interestingly, in the French-dubbed version, they did not translate the "two blue pools" at all. They merely " how bright your eyes are every time you look at me" They also translated the "you make me feel seen..." line into "you make me see the world in a different light" Even the French felt uncomfortable with the original lines :D
14:28 gonna disagree here, hard I actually loved the fact that he made it about how her existence MAKES HIM FEEL About love About what ALREADY BINDS him to her He is not meant to be impressing her here or make her feel like a sexy bombshell Her question was "Are u sure YOU LOVE me?" ie abt how HE FELT about her Not "Do u think I'm pretty?" or "Do u objectively find me to be an attractive woman?" She did not ask for his OPINION of her appearance or character Rather, whether HE truly loved her with a real attentive devotion, sth that she already was familiar with as she felt it for him I cannot think of the loml(my husband of ~ 1½ decades) as the sum of his parts I breathe in his name >>> I
Thank you I love her suggestions but I personally feel that him going into paragraphs about what he loves and desires about her would feel like he's overexplaining to us the audience on why he now desires her.
I didn’t mind that the scene was on a chaise lounge, I actually think it made it easier to show given their height difference. Having Nicola propped up the way she was meant they could line up their faces and it kept Luke from being, I don’t know how to phrase it, but like in the way when they wanted to show Nicola’s face without him being in frame. Maybe I’m wrong but wouldn’t the height difference be emphasized more on a bed? I feel like Luke would overwhelm Nicola and that their faces wouldn’t have lined up as much. I feel like her face would’ve been in his neck or shoulder area, if not even lower, closer to his chest. I think of it similarly to when they talked about the kisses, there’s what you do in person that feels good, and then there’s what looks good on camera and I don’t think them lying down would’ve looked good on camera.
Yes, this!! And also, the bed wasn't in sight. It was in the bedroom where the door was closed. When he tells her to "lie down", she does so on the only apparatus that was present. It may have certainly been more uncomfortable than a bed for the actors, but I don't see it taking away from the sensuality or sexiness of the scene at all!
The chaise is indeed to negate the height difference but man the shots and angles they chose made it look super uncomfortable to me. Also I'm a short person - Let's just say that you can show Pen's perspective in a lot of ways. Like, short person perspective during sex can be very hot.
@@MelanieC1124 you can literally see the bed through the open door behind them earlier in the scene when they are talking. The headboard is covered by a sheet.
I wonder if they used the chaise to prop Nic up to give her breasts the best aesthetic quality. Lying flat doesn’t alway give the girls the most flattering shape.
My reaction to his pants dropping, "boy when did you remove those boots and why are both your legs already out of the pants when they were literally just on you" also so right you know that king size bed was in the other room. Poor Luke was probably like, i gotta beef up not only cause im gonna be naked but i gotta have my arm strength for that settee.
Yes! The trouser drop takes me out of it, every time I've watched it...too many. I love the scene and it makes me mad that Nic and Luke worked so hard and that some editing choices were made that were out of their control. It's the fact that they made the sound of his britches hitting the floor so prominent and then they're not only not around his ankles but they're moved to the side!! Magic 👖indeed!!
I totally agree that there was a lot of technical mistakes in the editing but I loved this scene. I loved everything Colin said to Pen. She didn't need to hear embellished poetry from him, especially after the way he defended her to her mother. The truth is what she needed to hear. He said I love you, Pen. When she asked "are you sure " his nod was enough. To show her why he loved her he affirmed with how clever and brave she is and how she makes him see himself. Her physical attributes that pleases him was her hair cascading down her sholders, her blue eyes and her parted lips. He was straight forward naming them. Then to further show what else he liked he softly stroked her neck and left shoulder gently stroking her arm til he got to her breast. While telling her that he has been dreaming of them. Colin didn't need to fill her head with the same type of empty flattery he had used on the other girls of the ton. Pen (LW) had already called him out for being fake. He and Pen had always been straightforward with each other. I thought it was beautiful the way he reassured her. He had already showed her that he desired her in the carriage. Him being a writer had nothing to do with what was about to happen. Pen is a writer too, and all she could say was " I do not wish for you to stop, tell me what to do, no tell me, where, oh yes, is there more, it was perfect and can we do it again." Neither one of them needed to impress each other. That is not the way these friends/lovers communicate. As for her eyes speech in the drawing room, Colin told her to pretend. His shock was he felt that what she said was from the heart. As for Anthony telling Colin to tell her, he didn't want Colin to make the same mistake he did with Kate. He didn't tell Kate he loved her until 2/8 at the Featherington Ball, the last ball of the season. He wanted Colin to be a better man than he was and confess his love right away. Once he told Pen he couldn't stop telling everyone that he loved her. I really enjoyed this season, technical and writing flaws included By the way I'm a 68 year old retired Art and Creative Writing teacher with nothing to do but watch Bridgerton Season 3 twice a day since both parts dropped along with as many positive reviews and reactions as I can fit into my days. And have learned to play Yellow and POV on my keyboard and will be downloading the PDF sheet music for You Belong to Me today. Sammy, I think I need a therapist. I've got Polin on the brain.❤
“The way your eyes sparkle and shine when you look at me, like the crystal blue waters of the Mediterranean under the blazing summer sun.” Nah, maybe too verbose/too much alliteration. But maybe something like that.
Yeah, even at the first time watching it really took me out of the moment. I liked the second part of the scene but the first half in front of the mirror just didn't feel right.
The carriage scene was certainly more realistic, They are good actors but I can tell that this was more choreographed than anything else and it feels awkward because they are much more closeness in other occasions
There were so many beats that smacked in a great way…but I agree with your observations. There were some definite issues with the editing….I do think the scene does age well the more I watch it because it’s so vulnerable. But the carriage scene is my Roman Empire.
TWO. BLUE. POOLS. 😆 As exciting as it was watching this scene for the first time, I remember mentally asking Colin if he really was a writer! I felt like the writers' room were shrugging at this moment, saying that they had already put all their good stuff about blue eyes in the Remarkable Shade of Blue scene!! And i agree about the Colin's Hairy Legs shot too 🙃
I love mirror scene completely from my heart.. i have no major complaints with it. Hands off to both the actors ❤. But in a minor way, I did not like the editing during the time when Colin was removing Penelope's hair pin and when her corset was loosened and we did not see it fell on the ground. Rest was wonderful. Luke Newton covering Nicola Coughlan in the start of the couch scene was really respectful. I felt the same as you during that point. Love it and will keep rewatching it till the end of time 😂😂
I just started with this video, but I already want to commend you on your declaration that everyone is going to see this differently. I believe that this is honestly the appeal of Bridgerton in whole! Each season explores a different trope of the romance genre and as we all have our favorites (friends to lovers, for me) not everyone will appreciate every trope or every relationship within each story. I would have liked to see 8 uninterrupted episodes of just Polin, but I’m sure others would have preferred more Benedict or Kanthony or Francesca and John. If we can learn to allow others to have their own opinions without forcing them to change them to agree with our own, this world would be a much better place! Also, I just really loved your companion video reacting to the mirror scene! I knew you would appreciate that belt move as much as I did, so thanks ever so much for the validation. My toes still curl every time I think about it!!! 🫠
I come here so Sammy can articulate for me what I feel. Seriously: it’s amazing and disconcerting how thoroughly I tend to agree with Sammy’s takes. Do any long-time subscribers know what Sammy’s educational/vocational background is? She has the psychologically-insightful, empathic, writer’s, actor’s, director’s perspectives that make her analyses such outstanding deep dives. It is my (minority) opinion that Julia Quinn’s books are. . . not good. I don’t care for her writing and strongly dislike her dialogue, which I find overly expository and not at all distinctive to each character. It is unsurprising to me when a line I find odd or clunky or unpleasantly anachronistic turns out to be lifted from the novels. “You’re my mess,” reads to me like what the Incels call “negging.” I hate it so much.
Thank you so much, Sammy, for feeding us with these videos. There is so much about the mirror scene that I love but I agree it could have been better. I agree with everything the choppiness of the editing during his words of affirmations took me out of the moment. I hate how her hair is up then it is down. Then he is speaking to her then it is a voice over. The dialog was okay for me but after your examples I wish it would have been expanded on. Also, when the heck did he take his boots off ugh that killed me that whole shot and it didn’t even make sense. Finally, like you I feel the carriage scene is sexier. I love this mirror scene and feel it is the most beautiful first time scene I have ever seen but to me it is beautiful, romantic and gentle. The way they hyped it up I was expecting the same fervor, passion and aggression almost from Colin such as when he was getting up on those breasts and it wasn’t. Again I don’t think they were made to be the same as it was the first time really for both of them. Her being an actual virgin and him an emotional virgin but the way they hyped it made it seem different. Now that I have time to process and remove those expectations I love it and will never admit how many times I’ve watched it over and over.
His thought about her hair likely began the moment she walked into the ball in that green dress, although her hair was down in the back in episode 1, when they first talked in the park after Colin returned from his travels. The carriage was not the first time he saw it down. Also, "your eyes shine like two blue pools" sort of calls back to Penelope's "practice" line about his eyes shining brighter when he is kind. The comment about the lips goes back to first kiss and the moment in the candy shop, he was fixated on them. And the "parts he was dreaming about" have been on display for him in every scene. The callback evidence is there for every line.
The bed issue has been my biggest problem with this whole scene, I do agree with everything you've pointed out, but I think they just didn't give Polin enough time to really flesh out these scenes, if they reduced some of the other storylines to allow a more artistic approach they could have easily resolved all of this and kept it sensual and within the actors nudity boundaries, so much more could have been done, but they needed time!
Omg yes please LET THEM BE IN A BED. I cannot imagine how uncomfortable that was and I kept thinking that it was so uncomfy for both of them throughout the whole scene.
the writer in me jumped out, he coulda described a seaside sunset, the orange of her hair in the sun and the blue of her eyes in the sea so at dusk he’d always think about her or smth like that. LET ME IN THAT WRITERS ROOM!!!!! i think at the end of the day, Colin is just a man…
Love your descriptors! Those would've been much more flattering. For a writer, a lot of his words to her didn't do it for me. I found myself more moved and swooning from Anthony's lines in S2
They should hire you to be a script writer or editor. I think sometimes the show can't decide whether or not the audience has any media literacy. They either spell it out like the viewers are idiots, or they're like, oh yeah they understand what's going on when some people might not pick up on really subtle things that are important later. Really, if people have been following the story from season one, then in my opinion, there shouldn't be a need to spell anything out, esp when they decide to throw in unnecessary flashbacks. I'd love to be the person whose job is looking for continuity errors. I love looking for them. I get your point on him needing to say more, but I think the excerpts you showed from the book are tacky. For me, they're not romantic. "Lie down" is in fact, crazy sexy. Snaps to Nicola for the idea. The respect and trust Luke and Nicola have for each other is amazing. Everyone should have that kind of relationship with their scene partners.
I agree with yout remarks about the editing of the 1st part of the episode (before she lies down). I especially agree that it is a shame we do not clearly see his reaction to seeing her naked for the 1st time. It would have been so hot to see him arroused by the sight of her body naked. It is such same because the editing of the second part of the mirror scene is quite good.
I loved the scene as it was. I have no real issue with the cuts to the lower parts after taking off clothes. This show strikes me as the kind of show that is PG-13/TV 14 so it doesn't really bother me that there wasn't full nudity. Also, the breast cupping thing was awesome to me, because even if you have sex a lot, for some people every single time it's a new experience, and they need to reacclimate, so I had no problem with him not being as aggressive with her boobs. Also Penelope struck me as nervous so I think gentleness is the primary point of this scene and I really love that. I hope I make sense, and you know, take this with a grain of salt because I haven't read the books. I do agree with your points on the dialogue though it could've been so much better. I really wish that he would've kept complimenting her until he had completely taken off her clothes.
My biggest issues with the mirror scene are that a lot of Colin’s choreography repeats, so the editor dropped the ball. For example, the laugh after the “not there” you see the intake of breath from behind, and then right after in profile. Then when he is doing the sweeping look at her chest when she is saying “oh yes” it is duplicated as well. I don’t mind that the scene was highly choreographed, but when I can see the moves, it takes me out. Also, the mirror kisses were my least favorite because you can clearly tell that Nicola and Luke were intentionally avoiding using tongue because of the proximity and angle. I don’t mind that the actors didn’t want to use tongue, but I hate when you can tell they are actively avoiding it.
Nic and Luke were using tongue at first, but were told not to because "it doesn't look good on camera." And they did mention that their movements weren't highly choreographed. They had "certain points" to hit in the scene but there was room for what they wanted to do. That's what they said at least
Absolutely. The 2 most jarring things to me was the 1) continuity error of hair pin dropping with a THUD, her hair cascading down, and then suddenly next clip shows her hair pinned up (huh?); and 2) the couple of weird line deliveries as a voiceover when we were first hearing Colin in real time.
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🎯 on the “can’t see his immediate reaction to her getting naked/reaction to her breast reveal!” I have literally yelled out NOOOOO!😢 at this part lol 😂 That light was sooo freaking bright, no matter how you zoom in on his face, it’s completely drowned out by the light 💡 That was a CRUCIAL facial reaction of his that I wanted to see so badly!
I agree. He has observed her hair a lot. A catch: after he has mentionned he loves her hair when it is untied, she no longer ties it once. She styles her hair the way he loves.
I recently re-read RMB and the “two blue pools” is actually a line from the book! I agree though, if they’re going to change his journal entries, they should have changed that line!
I assumed the initial awkward touches were Colin making sure that she wants to more intimate. The carriage scene was a very caught up in the moment scene. The mirror scene is more cautious and deliberate and he wants to know if she’s comfortable and ready to cross that final social impropriety line.
I agree. In the book, Colin's inner monolog describes a sense of calmness coming over him because he wanted to make sure Pen enjoyed herself. I got the feeling that in this scene, every move from Colin (up until a certain point) was calculated because he only cared about two things. Making Pen feel good and making her his.
You are super right about all the things he loves about her he didn’t elaborate. I feel like the editing was awful and I think it was because they broke the furniture 🪑 and then it was hard to continue and they had to edit with what they had…. However they were a lot of missed moments where they could have “touch” her in the beginning above the clothes. Have a hand ✋🏻 running down her arm, her neck, kissing the neck, biting the ear, or kissing the nose… all these things where the actors don’t have to actually have to get naked. Shots that are just body parts touching other body parts where both actors are still clothes. I mean idk editing and the script in this scene was off. The whole time I’m like I don’t need to see actors naked. Subtext is enough and I feel like Colin and Pen were little freaks. I mean she’s been waiting for this for a while from Colin and he’s traveled and seen stuff. He could have told her stuff you know dirty things in period speech. I’m sure she would have been game and again the actors didn’t even need to get naked. It not about that at all. She could have run her fingers through this back, he could have grabbed her thigh omg sooooo many things!!
He always loved her but not in the same way he loved his sisters. The feelings he admitted to having for her in the carriage were sexual feelings, physical attraction, that was new to him because for so long she was neither sister or sexual partner or marriage prospect to him. It was only after he had a taste that he was enlightened. Finally, at the thought of her - being everything he desires in a spouse - with someone else, he panics. He had not realized she desired him in all the ways as well. His feelings for her were like drips of water, collecting over time; a growing flame burning, consuming a candle. The motifs were clear to me with all the candles in various burned stages, and his increased thirst around her since season 1. This is my favorite couple story because of their extended timeline, their history, and their evolving year after year as people actually do. They knew each other well (enough) before their engagement and wedding rather than warming up to love afterwards. Previous couples had attraction first and always saw the other as an unlikely prospect; whereas Colin hadn't considered her, "Pen", a likely prospect until someone else did. She was just Pen until he fully realized he desired for her to be Mrs. Colin "Penelope" Bridgerton.
It really sucks that the Internet is a place where you had to spend almost five minutes repeating that just because you like pancakes it doesn't mean you hate waffles. Unfortunately, asking crazy and mean people to please not be crazy and/or mean doesn't work. 😔👍
From a person who, like you, belongs to that part of fans that rewatch over and over again, see every single details, analyze and reanylize everything, watch every scene multiple times ecc I totally felt the pain you felt imaging people not getting the point in Colin’s “I love you”. I mean, I wanted everyone be so sure about that like me sooooo bad! It’s something I felt even in episode six where she confessed the since-forever ongoing love for him and I REALLY wanted him to say something more after ALL THOSE YEARS!!!!
1. Those kisses kind of bothered me a little. They had so much potential there and waisted it. Like, she could have put her arms around his neck and he could have put his hands around her waist and pulled her closer, idk. I didn't feel that urgency they have for each other, the desire, the passion that makes them want to go further. We see that anxiety a little bit more with Pen but even though, it feels like that wasn't enough to light up their 🔥, you know?! (I'll add to this the line "you are so beautiful" when he comes to her in the chaise lounge. The line itself is good but he could have said it in a smoother/sexier way, after running his eyes over her body.) I mean, I know the scene is supposed to be romantic 'cause it's her first time, but it can be romantic and sexy at the same time. But in the end we buy it... 'cause it's Polin 😂 2. I agree, the light is crap! I have the feeling they did it on purpose because probably Nicola wasn't much confortable with being so exposed, so maybe Luke - in an attempt to make her feel more confortable - was trying not to look directly at her body, so they focused the light on his face to create an optical illusion. And maybe for the same reason we don't have as much sexiness in those scenes as we'd like (the breast touch for example, or him covering her with the blanket). The editing is also not good. In some cuts she looks like she's seated and in other cuts her head is resting on the chaise, like she's lied down. It's confusing. 3. When he "inserts himself" 😂c'mom bro it's her first time, calm down! Do it slowly, in a gentle way. Besides that, everything was perfect to me!
I love hearing other peoples opinions on everything!! I actually really enjoyed the simplicity and succinctness of his complements. Any more words/longer lines and I fear it would have been too stilted and clunky, or seem like he feels the need to over explain his motivation. Or could even sound like he’s using some episode 1 Colin pick-up lines. What he said was simple and direct! I 150% agree with your critiques on the editing and lighting!! The hair part takes me out every time. I do, however, like that they used the settee! She could sit up more than she could have in a bed and that allowed for better (closer) eye contact between them, and better filming angles for both Pen and Colin, in my opinion!! Lying down on her back may be more comfortable, but I think her sitting up more showed how STUNNING she is, and the shots of Colin’s back/shoulders twisted with his arm on the back of the settee 🥵🔥
The BOOK’s📕 take on this moment of the act (losing her virginity) was 10,000 better than the show. This is why fans say all of Polins moments were rushed… literally! No one- in fiction OR real life wld want it this fast). It’s like production silently screaming “get off the screen Pen & Colin. We got to move this along to make time for the other folks… even though it’s your season. It’s sad and disrespectful to the characters story imo. 😢
in colin's defense (lol), the foreplay CLEARLY was doing it's job and right after the first insertion, there is a pause, Pen nods her head (consent reigns supreme once again!) and then you can see Colin "shift" some more. And given what Sammy said about how physically difficult it would be for LN do it in this position given its on the setee, maybe it would've been too strenuous on him (depending on how long they've been filming, what moment they've been filming prior, etc) to do it suuuuper slowly/gently. however, i will grant you that upon first viewing, I didn't clock that he arguably wasn't all the way in yet. the amount of reactors I saw JUMP at that moment will forever be hilarious to me!
I mean.. he already fingered her until it sounded like she was about to climax. She probably FELT ready🫣. Lol, but I felt the same way the 1st time I saw it. Like damn Colin inch by inch!😂😅
I agree with this video 💯. The actors gave their all but the writing and editing (esp the editing) really hindered some crucial moments from playing out well. I hope the Bridgerton team takes some of the valid concerns into account as they work on next season!
Omg yes! There's a continuity problem with the season in general with the editing that kept taking me out of the scenes and going "wait what just happened" and that clip of Colin's face getting blocked by the sun pisses me off EVERY time😅. That was a perfect moment to see his reaction when he finally sees his dream come true.
You are LITTEERALLY hitting the nail on the head here!!! The carriage was 1000% better!!! This scene was the most anticipated and also(personal opinion) the one where they (The writers , not the QUEEN of my heart daddy Coughlan nor my simp soulmate Lukey Newts) let us down the most. I would have traded the clunky "here we checked the box " Nic's boobs shot for an over the shoulder of Colin seeing her for the first time moment. The carriage NAILED IT , with alluding to things instead of here is the scene *Periodt* . I think we should have gone a lot slower with a cut to anything else and then maybe a come back to them. They got my boi looking like a 2 pump chump out here, and in the same beat made gave us too much clarity on what actually happens which eliminates the audience imagination. Have the writers not met a single POLIN FAN??? Give us a single minute inference and we will run WILD!! At the end of the day im cracked out for POLIN so Ill take whatever I can get but #CARRIAGEovermirror til I die
There are two points that I totally thought the same thing. Her hair pin coming off and the next shot seeing her hair still up also felt like a continuity error to me. And the fact that we didn't see Colin's face because of the lighting was definitely disappointing! I'm actually glad that they didn't give us any lines about Pen's assets besides the one we got... book Colin's passages about her boobs make me grimace like there is no tomorrow. I just can't with book Colin, man lmao
I'm glad you made them two separate mirror scene videos, I feel like it's less whiplashy this way...though I appreciate your content in general. Tehehe imagine if Colin is in full-WriterColin mode in his head but somewhere between his heart and his mouth the better words get stuck, like a call back to what Pen said in the Bridgerton Drawing Room. Maybe we can get a callback/"fix it" scene in S4? Show even could have saved it by having Colin say something comedic like "yea...I was more eloquent in my head. I should have said [insert all the hot writer-words]" prompting "Round 2". Editing took me out too. Might have made more emotional continuity sense if they had Colin visibly get stuck in looking at her boobs, to the point Pen has to playfully shoulder him or something to snap him out of it, then you watch Colin's eyes shoot back up to her face with a bashful look or something, so it's banter-y when he lets her keep covering them up. Yes, I too saw the blanket adjustment as an actor thing. Pull the seat cushion onto the floor and there's bound to be decorative cushions stored in a box somewhere, surely, or even their own clothes in a pile!
My personal opinion and this is based upon watching it so many times I know everybody has their favorite scene of this series. My favorite is when I believe Colin fell in love with Penelope at the end of episode 3. When Penelope is dancing with Lord Debling his face expressions explains it all for me. I feel like I was watching a man fall in love with someone and realize that it might be too late. I watched that scene from the moment he walks away from his mother to the credit come on a good 30 times. Every time I watch it I feel the same way. We're talking about Colin loverboy. It was one of the things that I love about his season compared to every other leading man. They all were trying to fight their feelings. He was trying to run towards his feelings. So When Colin talks to his brothers and he says perhaps he has always felt something his foolishness was not realizing it sooner. I believe he already loves Penelope then. (I also have to say I think that Benedict season is going to take a page out of Colin season I think he's going to fall hard. I don't think he's going to care about who knows. I think he's going to declare his love and do it in a way that is just so romantic. )
So much of this scene is taken directly from the book. I think if they wanted to reference Pen's eyes, it would have been a nice call-back to have Colin say that her eyes were a remarkable shade of blue. But my only real complaint about this scene is the editing in front of the mirror. The scene reads like a dialogue edit that they decided they did not need to re-shoot, but could be fixed in Post. (Although, this did spare us the Colin wig.) But there are only two pieces of dialogue that actually match the actor's facial movements. "You are the cleverest, bravest woman I have ever known. You make me feel seen in ways I've never felt seen before. And then there is..." And they abruptly cut from Colin's face and we go into what is clearly voiceover. We do not pick up dialogue that matches what the actor is saying until "other parts I have been..." and he pretty clearly does not say "dreaming about." We know they did two weeks of re-shoots and they are easy to spot because of the Colin wig (bits of Colin flirting with the ladies of the ton, the market, the two brothel scenes, the willow tree), so why not this scene? Maybe they thought the Colin wig would be jarring in such an intimate scene and/or maybe they were trying to avoid re-shooting the entire intimacy scene. And for folks for whom this scene was not passionate enough, in interviews both actors have said they wanted this scene to be gentle because if was her first time, his first time with someone he loves, and Polin's first time as a couple. Just a thought...
To your point about the 80/20 kisses and we don't see him desiring her and we need to. I agree. And through dialogue. If Colin would have mirrored her passionate kiss with an "oh Penelope" groan like in the book and then say "you must tell me to stop now if you do not wish for this..." that makes so much difference, and Colin is good with the longing stares they could have edited something modest if that's actor choice that cuts to a completely unhinged Colin stare.
The problem for me is the pace of the scene. The carriage scene was organic and real. The mirror was just suddenly naked and doing it, but nit much build up. Same with the "I love you"
It seems to me that since Bridgerton has explicit content, they think that they can't do it unless it is explicit. I like how you point out that you can allude to something that you don't have to show. To me, some of my favorite spicy scenes don't always show everything and leave things to imagination.
29:20 the intention behind the caress is NOT STIMULATION or PLEASURE It is a question - Can this go further, all the way? She hints at it with her hand pressing on his His hand pinching her is more of a reflex - not meant to stimulate Similar sentiment behind him holding back on the kisses - he then has her expressed verbal consent so he can now escalate 38:48 the editing & shot planning & lighting issues: agree wholeheartedly & more....................... 44:41 it is the editing definitely Its a problem throughout the season I have been wondering if its a time issue or skill one(likely the latter) 50:23 the chaise lounge is in front of the mirror, hence the choice, was what i understood it as (yes they shouldve added a shot demonstrating that) Also, her sitting up makes it easier for him to gaze at her from a closer distance About their comfort They are straddling 20yrs (polin) Nothing is uncomfortable at that age, come on😊😂
I like the mirror scene but I always felt like it could have been more. I couldn't really put my finger on what felt off but now I find myself agreeing with you and I feel like you have very valid points. I agree that Colin's monolog could have been so much more. Penelope has read his journal, she knows that he can write very beautiful, descriptive words of this nature. I haven't read the books yet but I had imagined they would have stayed more in front of the mirror or had it been essential and returned to shots of it. To me it felt very rushed in a strange way, especially when his words weren't matching up with what we saw. I definitely agree with your points about his compliments, especially about her eyes. Like others have said, have him compare her to the Greek/Mediterranean sea. While I am sad that we didn't see him really appreciate her.. assets, I do understand if that was a boundary. But since this is Pen, who doesn't look like the rest of the ladies (she is imo far more beautiful), it would have been important to showcase that in a better way. He could have mentioned how stunning she had looked in her dresses this season, how he couldn't take his eyes off of her (and her cleavage) and how he desired to touch more of her than in the carriage etc. (I want to expand more but I'm not sure I can write that on yt. I hope you get my drift)
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It's good you said it's your personal preference, coz girl! I liked everything about the mirror scene, from the choice of words to the acting skills. I however concur with you that S3 had a few editing mishaps, even in the carriage scene.
I also have no idea why a chasis vs a fainting couch! I mean have your seen madmen when Betty buys a fainting couch. It’s much bigger and would have supported Pen’s back and she could have had pillows behind her to arch her back and make her look sexier… I don’t even know if a fainting couch is even a correct time piece but WHO cares! It’s not like they are trying to be historically accurate anyways. Colin would have fit in one for sure. I’m like why did we get a scene of him adjusting the blanket vs getting one of Penn finding a blanket! Where did this blue satin sheet come from. That’s what I was thinking. Should have been her cape.. she would have been wearing one first then taken it off and then she would have picked it up to cover herself
1. The actors said there wasn't a lot that they didn't want to do. They were pretty open to everything. They also stated a few times during interviews that they were asked to pull back, they were doing too much, she's supposed to be a v!rg!n etc, so I feel like a lot of the continuity problems we have are because of production. 2. I agree with pretty much every single thing you said, though I have things to add. 3. Those things being that, there's one point it looks like Luke is checking out his own bicep to see how his muscles look and now that you said it, was that maybe meant to be a flash of him looking towards the mirror and then they just didn't follow through? We may never know. I also think that Nicola and Luke too even had asked for more book moments to be added to the show, and I think the entire awkwardness of this scene is the result of them trying to cram the 1st time scene (which Colin had insisted he take her on a proper bed, so they binned proper Colin there) the mirror scene (which wasn't in the book, but just something he said he desired) and the drawing room chaise scene all into one scene, which caused all of this chaos. They could have given us more intimate scenes between them, but chose to just smash them together and drop them in our laps. 4. I agree again with everything. The writing was weak, the editing was lazy, I think the production and direction likely interfered too much on something that could have been amazing. the acting was legit though. Nic and Luke did amazing with what they were given and perhaps if the showrunners listen to fans enough, they might correct their faux pas for season 4. I.E. feral hungry boy Colin truly needs to make an appearance, because Pen deserves the same energy the other leads had, especially seems it's true to his character. 5. That cover up with the blanket was definitely Luke. He's talked about being protective and like, no one is in the room with you, so the only reason to cover her, is for her real life modesty and nothing to do with the show. That moment was L&N for sure.
A video! A video! A video! So exciting!!!! I already know what one of your issues is going to be. There’s a scene that is out of order. In one scene her hair is down, the next it’s still up. It’s obvious enough to me that I notice it each time, kinda halts the moment if that makes sense. The part where she asks if he’s sure he loves her is so heartbreaking 💔 Also, I think when you’re talking about not getting enough from him, I think we’re making too much of this sweet , considerate first time scene. I think if we had had a spicy scene after they were already comfortable with each others bodies, we wouldn’t be feeling so bereft of these moments. Hopefully in season four we’ll get something like that
Yeah about 10:45 it's hard to believe that this is the same man who wrote "“In those moments alone, as my fingers trace freckles from cheek to collarbone, or as I watch the way starlight dances across skin,I marvel at how one can feel such intimacy, but also such great distance.” "Two blue pools" and all that was not giving. I know it is supposed to be cute and 'oh Colin is so in love he's speechless' but his lack of mind-blowing, awe-inspiring speech really wasn't worth this authenticity or whatever. I wish they had expressed that differently than by him babbling incoherently most of the time. (With exception of the willow tree scene, that was hilarious!) This also made watching the dream sequence really weird for me. Like dude why are you dreaming of yourself like that? Even Penelope, caught off guard, surprised me with "you occupy my every thought" like at least it did not sound too modern. Anyway. PS. I just remembered Penelope's "you're eyes are the most remarkable shade of blue, yet somehow they shine even brighter when you are kind" and Colin's two blue pools really were a letdown after that.
i love how well you elaborate each moment, i totoally agree with you, the seen was good, definitely couldve been worse, but it had so much potential to be so much more and clear things up about how colin came to love penelope
I still think about the line that Anthony tells Kate "Do you even know all the ways a lady can be seduced?" and it's insane how good that line is and how fitting it is. It's in no way clunky and you know he means it. There's always a feeling of reciprocal love and lust that feels comfy throughout the season. Polin was robbed of these moments. Bridgerton always emphasized that friendship is a great basis for romance and here it fell on its head. It was like when in grade school you told your best friend you had a crush on them and after that you just couldn't talk to them normally because you felt exposed and never at ease again. We didn't even get to see them make a baby and it isn't like they moved away like Daphne and Simon did. It was MAGIC and done everything is perfect we don't know how but it's perfect. Don't question it.
Hi Sammy, I really enjoy your videos and had started to seek them out, rather than just stumble across them. Lots of what you say I do totally agree with, some of it did surprise me. Here my thoughts and obvsiouly like yourself say, this is just my thoughts on it and not any type of criticism. The 'I love you', I thought came on the back of Anthony telling him that he has to tell her and that's why he even went to see Pen. I had the impression that he wanted to say it as soon as he got a chance to and that was his chance, rather than growing out of a romantic moment he tells her in the context of that he will always defend her. The next thing, the dialog in front of the mirrow: totally agree that the editing is a complete mess. It pulls you unnecessarily out of the moment. I was under the strong impression that they tried to safe time with overlayering the words with the movements. I actually really liked the ''cascading hair' and the dropping needle, I would have liked the see the second needle drop too, to make it more rhytmic and balanced, He clearly was about to pull the second needle from the way he looked at her hair. I both liked the overhead shots and the way the clothes dropped, but totally agreed with the two blue pools. I literally felt how hard Luke tried to make it sound beautiful, but the words were still sh... ah... bad. Also totally miss a reaction of Colin, (or Luke) to the vison off her being naked, what the heck?? And the next thing missing there and in the rest of the scene is the missing touch. Anything, his hands on her arms, him bending down and kissing her naked skin.... or as you suggest his hands on her cleavage....anything. I didn't quite get the issues with the blanket, he just covered them up, I didn't get the vibe that it might have been Luke covering Nic. And last I thought actually the Chaise Lounge visually really beautiful, and even helpful seeing her more upright rather than plonked down flat on the bed. On a whole I think the overall beauty is stunning and not sure if I think as we cannot change the editing anymore I try and overlook those issues, even though it is a bit disappointing, as it could have been just much better.
I love they choose a chaise long, it seams an improvisation at that place and something not planning at all. He just ask her to "lay down" and she did. It seams very realistic for a first time for me, especially at that conditions (light day, home moving, before wedding, just got engaged).
in the scene where her dress drops and he tells her to lie down, she still has on her underwear. you can see the bottom of it a.t the top of the screen. ugh... thank you for putting into words the parts of the scene that felt off but I couldn't point why.
29:12 Sammy, couldn’t agree more!!!!!! I love the book and I admit, as much as the scene in show was lovely, THIS detail NOT happening made no sense. I understand that it may have been an issue of comfort between actors, but it could have been insinuated much better. We ALL know of Colin’s appreciation of her lovely figure 31:45
It's like you were in my head!!! Omgosh Tjank you. I thought it was just me having these negative thoughts. But unlike you, I was super disappointed. I thought 80% dialog was awful and NOT what real lovers would say, especially on their 1st time. Being a huge Bridgerton fan, this scene and a couple of others, like the decision to make him sleeping a little tiny couch, ruined my overall enjoyment of the POLIN chemistry.
Well, if she was hiding behind Whistledown, how come Colin calls her brave even before the reveal?" Well, I'm glad you asked, imaginary person in my head! Let's dial back a bit again. I am a firm believer that Colin's envy towards Penelope (and him realising his romantic feelings) actually started back in s2, during their talk about purpose. She was the one leading the conversation then, who knew what her purpose would be, and to him, that is bravery, being true to oneself and knowing your place. And we see how in s3 part 1, Colin resorts to adopting a whole new persona, something Penelope does not do, even after changing her entire wardrobe and facing the Ton's eyes, she remains herself (and she is capable of acting! She effortlessly disguises herself as a maid and fakes an accent when delivering the Whistledown papers), and I think Colin noticed that. She has a new dress, and her hair looks different, but she's still Pen, meanwhile he, on the other hand, is pretending to be someone else. And when the scandal about the lessons came out, Penelope still showed her face when people were still preoccupied by the scandal. Debling says it best: "Well done." "For being a fool?" "For stepping away from the herd, even though you risked becoming a target." Penelope's bravery and honesty are the very reason Debling is interested in her, rather than in Cressida; she knows who she is, and what she likes (whereas Cressida adapts). Sure, he was not looking for a love match, but he was looking for authenticity, which Penelope always had. Because she's terrible at hiding her identity, actually. Eloise guesses it's her after listening to her once! Penelope has never hidden how much she likes gossip. In s2e1 she admits it outright that being a wallflower allows her to hear everything.She's always been true to herself to some degree though, which is its own form of bravery, but she's never had the courage to ask for what she wanted before Colin helped her build her confidence.She's always been true to herself to some degree though, which is its own form of bravery, but she's never had the courage to ask for what she wanted before Colin helped her build her confidence.She's always been true to herself to some degree though, which is its own form of bravery, but she's never had the courage to ask for what she wanted before Colin helped her build her confidence.
I have some thoughts: -the Two Blue Pools line - totally agree that is just janky writing - the waxing on about certain and parts and then no actual touch is just weird and I do agree if it was a boundary (even though the were chest to chest later) then some sort of verbal caress was needed to tie in his "dreaming of" comment or alluding to it like they did in the carriage - her comments in this scene is highlighted by a lot of the husband/boyfriends watching bridgerton comments - In Regards to Pacing - I see her argument - but it we thinking about the timing within the story - the carriage scene just happened mere hours ago - so characters going 0 to 100 is apt for this scene. Especially Pen who's even more reved up after he defended her from her Mother. - the lighting in Colins face when he's looking at her bared - like I too would have loved to have seen his expressions and why does he look like a vampire - the camera angle choices - totally agree that some of them do take you out of the scene. - the editing really is clunky in this scene sometimes it works and sometimes I think the editor got lost in the scenes we didn't see because some choices are just bad So analytically I total agree with you & I too can look past these technical issues and enjoy the scene.
I personally find words A LOT more sexy than touch so in the next seasons I really hope they ramp up the sexy talk maybe (comfortable for the actors of course!) Take sexy lines from the book and things like that to really make the scenes melt our knees!
His reaction to seeing her naked was something I really wanted to see. They completely dropped the ball on that, especially since Luke did such a great job with his expressive acting.
Very true! We loved her expression when he dropped trou. So we equally (if not more so from female gaze) needed to see his expression when her corset dropped. Who wouldn't want to be gazed upon with complete and utter unhindered desire.
"Your eyes make me loose my words everytime you look at me" That would be perfect and a refferance to almost any scene from s1 and s2 between them
“Your eyes like precious sapphires that sparkle when you are happy.” Also acceptable would be aquamarines bc her eyes are lighter blue
@@Emnms68 omg i deadass said in my comment that he should've said aquamarines because i feel those are actually more accurate than an ocean or whatever! i hadn't read your comment before, haha. Luke Newton also has blue eyes so I was like, "Why are we pointing out someone else also has 'blue' eyes?"
ooooh! or maybe something about how a glimpse of her shining eyes always drew him in no matter where he was
2 blue pools was a line from the book ❤
The breast touch was the cupping reference from the book…that’s the motion. They were intent on following the book description.
Definitely agree with the criticism about her eyes being "two blue pools" the wording of that line is clunky and weird. And the writing feels lazy. Come on, the writers could have done so much better considering how gorgeous Pen/Nic's eye are! "Any of the seas I have seen cannot compare with your crystalline blue eyes" I don't know, something like that.
I agree the line about her eyes feels lazy.
It is clunky!!!!! Her eyes are glass, icycles as bright as the sky on the best summer day, not a pool.
@@rosadeplata1752 great line!
Her eyes are like the crystal blue waters of Greece on a bright summer’s day, or maybe the crystal blue waters of Greece must be jealous of her eyes, for they cannot imagine shining as bright.
@@mthepops and considering Colin is a writer himself... The writers of the show didn't do him justice at all with such a poor line :/
You're so right that it hurts me that you weren't in the writing room. You get romance so well.
THE BED WAS JUST BEHIND THEM!!!!!!
Felt the same way about Colin’s shifting of the blanket on the chaise. I absolutely got the impression that was Luke covering up Nicola rather than something Colin would actually do with Penelope in the moment. Sweet, but took me out of it. Also yes to the chaise looking a bit uncomfortable, especially for a first time! 😅
Also wish they were in a bed. If I remember from the book Colin stopped their encounter on the couch in the drawing room, because Pen deserved her first time in a bed.
I don’t think he’s covering Nicola up, I think Colin is covering Pen up so she doesn’t feel so exposed. Maybe I’m wrong, but to each their own 😀
@@vanessarussell7048 I think either is a possibility-I guess we’ll never really know! 🤷🏻♀️🙂
I think that the cover-up with the blanket was actually for Luke. I have noticed that we never see Colin’s stomach below the waist - this is true when he is in the carriage with his brothers in episode 1, in the scene where he wakes up after dreaming of Pen post first kiss, throughout the mirror/chaise scene, and the final sex scene near the end of episode 8. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Luke not wanting to show that part of his body (in that’s the case), but it just feels like they handled it awkwardly at several points of the season. And whyyyyyyy did the blanket completely cover their legs on the chaise lounge, I found it so awkward that their legs looked like a big unruly mass under the blanket, and I had no idea whose legs were where.
"The way that you perceive me, have perceived me throughout my life, has been my grounding - my calling to home. I have been dreaming about the soft cascade of your curls, how they might feel in my hands, but I wonder now if I were cheated. No ocean could match to your eyes, surely. No comparable exists to your wit, your sensitivity, your kindness. There is no land out there now I would ever rather venture than what I may be permitted to... touch? (consent check) To kiss? (she kisses him) To... love? (they're halfway to missionary already) My beautiful bride."
-My rewritten Colin seduction monologue
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This was gorgeously written
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I think the thing about the carriage scene is that they were so caught up in their feelings. I mean this is all Penelope ever wanted. For Colin to see her to want to be with her. And Colin is so caught up in his feelings. He scared that Penelope is not going to feel the same but once he realized that she feels the same he's so relieved and so caught up that everything is a rush for him. It's like he needs to touch her kiss her feel that this moment is real. So his hands are roaming everywhere. He's feeling all types of things he never felt before. . So I think that's why the mirror scene seem a little bit softer. I felt like it was the first time for both of them . The carriage scene was just them acting on their feelings instead of thinking. I think in the mirror scene I think he's trying to be gentle trying to show affection he was trying to go slow and be careful if you understand what I'm saying. I think for me that's difference. I do agree that they could have been more talking . Better words could have been said. Also I'm really hoping that we will see them in season 4 and that the writers and directors looked at your video and get more ideas for their love fest
I agree with the criticism of Colin's monologue. If the actors didn't want to cross the line in physical contact, then they had to cross the line in verbal seduction. Colin and Penelope are both writers. Words should be more exciting than touching. Earlier, we see how Colin is awkward with words when he compliments debutantes and we see his greed and indelicacy with girls in a brothel. In my opinion, to enhance the effect of this scene and emphasize that EVERYTHING is different with Penelope. It was necessary for Colin to be extremely gentle and attentive to her in caresses and defiantly seductive in words
no cos he spent time in Greece...literally known for its breathtaking ocean. girl be for real. he could've gone w 'your eyes rival the very ocean which birthed Venus herself'. i just wanna know who wrote the 'pools' line, like come on man rly?
I will never get over the eyes that are like two blue pools. The german translation made it better, saying her eyes are like sapphires. ❤
Ok i just went to see it with Hungarian dubs to find this out(i hate the dub.never watched it with it) , and he says : 'how your eyes shine.when you look at me..like two stars'
Not bad at all!
I love that the worst write is the native language of the book and the actors
I would have loved for her to start by covering herself up, then have Colin gently draw her arms down to her sides, maybe a slight caress on the way past, then tell her she gorgeous.
And yes, we NEEDED to see his expression!
Yes, I can totally see that.
Interestingly, in the French-dubbed version, they did not translate the "two blue pools" at all. They merely " how bright your eyes are every time you look at me"
They also translated the "you make me feel seen..." line into "you make me see the world in a different light"
Even the French felt uncomfortable with the original lines :D
Hungarian is 'two stars'
14:28 gonna disagree here, hard
I actually loved the fact that he made it about how her existence MAKES HIM FEEL
About love
About what ALREADY BINDS him to her
He is not meant to be impressing her here or make her feel like a sexy bombshell
Her question was "Are u sure YOU LOVE me?"
ie abt how HE FELT about her
Not "Do u think I'm pretty?" or "Do u objectively find me to be an attractive woman?"
She did not ask for his OPINION of her appearance or character
Rather, whether HE truly loved her with a real attentive devotion, sth that she already was familiar with as she felt it for him
I cannot think of the loml(my husband of ~ 1½ decades) as the sum of his parts
I breathe in his name
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Thank you I love her suggestions but I personally feel that him going into paragraphs about what he loves and desires about her would feel like he's overexplaining to us the audience on why he now desires her.
I didn’t mind that the scene was on a chaise lounge, I actually think it made it easier to show given their height difference. Having Nicola propped up the way she was meant they could line up their faces and it kept Luke from being, I don’t know how to phrase it, but like in the way when they wanted to show Nicola’s face without him being in frame. Maybe I’m wrong but wouldn’t the height difference be emphasized more on a bed? I feel like Luke would overwhelm Nicola and that their faces wouldn’t have lined up as much. I feel like her face would’ve been in his neck or shoulder area, if not even lower, closer to his chest.
I think of it similarly to when they talked about the kisses, there’s what you do in person that feels good, and then there’s what looks good on camera and I don’t think them lying down would’ve looked good on camera.
Yes, this!! And also, the bed wasn't in sight. It was in the bedroom where the door was closed. When he tells her to "lie down", she does so on the only apparatus that was present. It may have certainly been more uncomfortable than a bed for the actors, but I don't see it taking away from the sensuality or sexiness of the scene at all!
The chaise is indeed to negate the height difference but man the shots and angles they chose made it look super uncomfortable to me.
Also I'm a short person - Let's just say that you can show Pen's perspective in a lot of ways. Like, short person perspective during sex can be very hot.
@@MelanieC1124 you can literally see the bed through the open door behind them earlier in the scene when they are talking. The headboard is covered by a sheet.
I wonder if they used the chaise to prop Nic up to give her breasts the best aesthetic quality. Lying flat doesn’t alway give the girls the most flattering shape.
My reaction to his pants dropping, "boy when did you remove those boots and why are both your legs already out of the pants when they were literally just on you" also so right you know that king size bed was in the other room. Poor Luke was probably like, i gotta beef up not only cause im gonna be naked but i gotta have my arm strength for that settee.
Yes! The trouser drop takes me out of it, every time I've watched it...too many. I love the scene and it makes me mad that Nic and Luke worked so hard and that some editing choices were made that were out of their control. It's the fact that they made the sound of his britches hitting the floor so prominent and then they're not only not around his ankles but they're moved to the side!! Magic 👖indeed!!
I knooowww. I feel so bad for him, his poor arms. He said himself he was excausted from all that planking.
Maybe they chose the couch because the bed would have resulted in more skin to skin contact and the actress may not have been comfortable with that.
There was a comment that Nicola made about the work out that he got during this scene, especially one arm.😉
So many facts 😂 The boots things throws me off too. Where did they go? When did they come off? 😂😂😂
"Go read a fan-fic, I don't know what to tell you." Made me snort SO HARD 🤣👌
I totally agree that there was a lot of technical mistakes in the editing but I loved this scene. I loved everything Colin said to Pen. She didn't need to hear embellished poetry from him, especially after the way he defended her to her mother. The truth is what she needed to hear. He said I love you, Pen. When she asked "are you sure " his nod was enough. To show her why he loved her he affirmed with how clever and brave she is and how she makes him see himself. Her physical attributes that pleases him was her hair cascading down her sholders, her blue eyes and her parted lips. He was straight forward naming them. Then to further show what else he liked he softly stroked her neck and left
shoulder gently stroking her arm til he got to her breast. While telling her that he has been dreaming of them. Colin didn't need to fill her head with the same type of empty flattery he had used on the other girls of the ton. Pen (LW) had already called him out for being fake. He and Pen had always been straightforward with each other. I thought it was beautiful the way he reassured her. He had already showed her that he desired her in the carriage. Him being a writer had nothing to do with what was about to happen. Pen is a writer too, and all she could say was " I do not wish for you to stop, tell me what to do, no tell me, where, oh yes, is there more, it was perfect and can we do it again." Neither one of them needed to impress each other. That is not the way these friends/lovers communicate. As for her eyes speech in the drawing room, Colin told her to pretend. His shock was he felt that what she said was from the heart.
As for Anthony telling Colin to tell her, he didn't want Colin to make the same mistake he did with Kate. He didn't tell Kate he loved her until 2/8 at the Featherington Ball, the last ball of the season. He wanted Colin to be a better man than he was and confess his love right away. Once he told Pen he couldn't stop telling everyone that he loved her. I really enjoyed this season, technical and writing flaws included
By the way I'm a 68 year old retired Art and Creative Writing teacher with nothing to do but watch Bridgerton Season 3 twice a day since both parts dropped along with as many positive reviews and reactions as I can fit into my days. And have learned to play Yellow and POV on my keyboard and will be downloading the PDF sheet music for You Belong to Me today. Sammy, I think I need a therapist. I've got Polin on the brain.❤
I completely agree with you. And, yes, Polin addiction is real and incurable! lol
“The way your eyes sparkle and shine when you look at me, like the crystal blue waters of the Mediterranean under the blazing summer sun.” Nah, maybe too verbose/too much alliteration. But maybe something like that.
Yes. That is what I was thinking
Maybe “the way your eyes sparkle like the crystal blue waters of Greece when you are happy/when you laugh”? It calls back to all of their banter
@@Emnms68Aw, sweet. 🙂
It's fine, he is supposed to be a writer!!!
The continuity error with her hair being back up and the narration without his lips moving REALLY bother me in this scene omg
Yeah, even at the first time watching it really took me out of the moment. I liked the second part of the scene but the first half in front of the mirror just didn't feel right.
The carriage scene was certainly more realistic, They are good actors but I can tell that this was more choreographed than anything else and it feels awkward because they are much more closeness in other occasions
The line I miss so much from the book was “when did I started needing you so much”
That would have been a great line to have in there, and would have shown him being in love.
There were so many beats that smacked in a great way…but I agree with your observations. There were some definite issues with the editing….I do think the scene does age well the more I watch it because it’s so vulnerable. But the carriage scene is my Roman Empire.
TWO. BLUE. POOLS.
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As exciting as it was watching this scene for the first time, I remember mentally asking Colin if he really was a writer!
I felt like the writers' room were shrugging at this moment, saying that they had already put all their good stuff about blue eyes in the Remarkable Shade of Blue scene!!
And i agree about the Colin's Hairy Legs shot too 🙃
I love mirror scene completely from my heart.. i have no major complaints with it. Hands off to both the actors ❤. But in a minor way, I did not like the editing during the time when Colin was removing Penelope's hair pin and when her corset was loosened and we did not see it fell on the ground. Rest was wonderful.
Luke Newton covering Nicola Coughlan in the start of the couch scene was really respectful. I felt the same as you during that point. Love it and will keep rewatching it till the end of time 😂😂
Bless you Sam. Your inputs have been great so there is no reason for anyone to suggest you don’t love the show.
I just started with this video, but I already want to commend you on your declaration that everyone is going to see this differently. I believe that this is honestly the appeal of Bridgerton in whole! Each season explores a different trope of the romance genre and as we all have our favorites (friends to lovers, for me) not everyone will appreciate every trope or every relationship within each story. I would have liked to see 8 uninterrupted episodes of just Polin, but I’m sure others would have preferred more Benedict or Kanthony or Francesca and John. If we can learn to allow others to have their own opinions without forcing them to change them to agree with our own, this world would be a much better place!
Also, I just really loved your companion video reacting to the mirror scene! I knew you would appreciate that belt move as much as I did, so thanks ever so much for the validation. My toes still curl every time I think about it!!! 🫠
Okay we need to get you in the writing room ASAP
Even the chaise lounge was like “Guys I’m not right for this job” promptly breaks 🤣
19:00 he could have reestablished that she was her dearest friend. They could have established that he always came back home from her from his travels
I come here so Sammy can articulate for me what I feel. Seriously: it’s amazing and disconcerting how thoroughly I tend to agree with Sammy’s takes. Do any long-time subscribers know what Sammy’s educational/vocational background is? She has the psychologically-insightful, empathic, writer’s, actor’s, director’s perspectives that make her analyses such outstanding deep dives.
It is my (minority) opinion that Julia Quinn’s books are. . . not good. I don’t care for her writing and strongly dislike her dialogue, which I find overly expository and not at all distinctive to each character. It is unsurprising to me when a line I find odd or clunky or unpleasantly anachronistic turns out to be lifted from the novels. “You’re my mess,” reads to me like what the Incels call “negging.” I hate it so much.
Thank you so much, Sammy, for feeding us with these videos. There is so much about the mirror scene that I love but I agree it could have been better. I agree with everything the choppiness of the editing during his words of affirmations took me out of the moment. I hate how her hair is up then it is down. Then he is speaking to her then it is a voice over. The dialog was okay for me but after your examples I wish it would have been expanded on. Also, when the heck did he take his boots off ugh that killed me that whole shot and it didn’t even make sense. Finally, like you I feel the carriage scene is sexier. I love this mirror scene and feel it is the most beautiful first time scene I have ever seen but to me it is beautiful, romantic and gentle. The way they hyped it up I was expecting the same fervor, passion and aggression almost from Colin such as when he was getting up on those breasts and it wasn’t. Again I don’t think they were made to be the same as it was the first time really for both of them. Her being an actual virgin and him an emotional virgin but the way they hyped it made it seem different. Now that I have time to process and remove those expectations I love it and will never admit how many times I’ve watched it over and over.
His thought about her hair likely began the moment she walked into the ball in that green dress, although her hair was down in the back in episode 1, when they first talked in the park after Colin returned from his travels. The carriage was not the first time he saw it down. Also, "your eyes shine like two blue pools" sort of calls back to Penelope's "practice" line about his eyes shining brighter when he is kind. The comment about the lips goes back to first kiss and the moment in the candy shop, he was fixated on them. And the "parts he was dreaming about" have been on display for him in every scene. The callback evidence is there for every line.
Agreed 💯
The bed issue has been my biggest problem with this whole scene, I do agree with everything you've pointed out, but I think they just didn't give Polin enough time to really flesh out these scenes, if they reduced some of the other storylines to allow a more artistic approach they could have easily resolved all of this and kept it sensual and within the actors nudity boundaries, so much more could have been done, but they needed time!
Definitely needed more time.
Omg yes please LET THEM BE IN A BED. I cannot imagine how uncomfortable that was and I kept thinking that it was so uncomfy for both of them throughout the whole scene.
the writer in me jumped out, he coulda described a seaside sunset, the orange of her hair in the sun and the blue of her eyes in the sea so at dusk he’d always think about her or smth like that. LET ME IN THAT WRITERS ROOM!!!!! i think at the end of the day, Colin is just a man…
Love your descriptors! Those would've been much more flattering. For a writer, a lot of his words to her didn't do it for me. I found myself more moved and swooning from Anthony's lines in S2
They should hire you to be a script writer or editor. I think sometimes the show can't decide whether or not the audience has any media literacy. They either spell it out like the viewers are idiots, or they're like, oh yeah they understand what's going on when some people might not pick up on really subtle things that are important later. Really, if people have been following the story from season one, then in my opinion, there shouldn't be a need to spell anything out, esp when they decide to throw in unnecessary flashbacks. I'd love to be the person whose job is looking for continuity errors. I love looking for them. I get your point on him needing to say more, but I think the excerpts you showed from the book are tacky. For me, they're not romantic. "Lie down" is in fact, crazy sexy. Snaps to Nicola for the idea. The respect and trust Luke and Nicola have for each other is amazing. Everyone should have that kind of relationship with their scene partners.
I agree with yout remarks about the editing of the 1st part of the episode (before she lies down). I especially agree that it is a shame we do not clearly see his reaction to seeing her naked for the 1st time. It would have been so hot to see him arroused by the sight of her body naked. It is such same because the editing of the second part of the mirror scene is quite good.
I loved the scene as it was. I have no real issue with the cuts to the lower parts after taking off clothes. This show strikes me as the kind of show that is PG-13/TV 14 so it doesn't really bother me that there wasn't full nudity. Also, the breast cupping thing was awesome to me, because even if you have sex a lot, for some people every single time it's a new experience, and they need to reacclimate, so I had no problem with him not being as aggressive with her boobs. Also Penelope struck me as nervous so I think gentleness is the primary point of this scene and I really love that. I hope I make sense, and you know, take this with a grain of salt because I haven't read the books. I do agree with your points on the dialogue though it could've been so much better. I really wish that he would've kept complimenting her until he had completely taken off her clothes.
My biggest issues with the mirror scene are that a lot of Colin’s choreography repeats, so the editor dropped the ball. For example, the laugh after the “not there” you see the intake of breath from behind, and then right after in profile. Then when he is doing the sweeping look at her chest when she is saying “oh yes” it is duplicated as well. I don’t mind that the scene was highly choreographed, but when I can see the moves, it takes me out. Also, the mirror kisses were my least favorite because you can clearly tell that Nicola and Luke were intentionally avoiding using tongue because of the proximity and angle. I don’t mind that the actors didn’t want to use tongue, but I hate when you can tell they are actively avoiding it.
Nic and Luke were using tongue at first, but were told not to because "it doesn't look good on camera." And they did mention that their movements weren't highly choreographed. They had "certain points" to hit in the scene but there was room for what they wanted to do. That's what they said at least
Absolutely. The 2 most jarring things to me was the 1) continuity error of hair pin dropping with a THUD, her hair cascading down, and then suddenly next clip shows her hair pinned up (huh?); and 2) the couple of weird line deliveries as a voiceover when we were first hearing Colin in real time.
So I find you because of a Facebook Bridgerton group member post about how she loved your prospectives and reference you! Now I follow you, and I love your views, too, even the ones I disagree with. Great content
🎯 on the “can’t see his immediate reaction to her getting naked/reaction to her breast reveal!” I have literally yelled out NOOOOO!😢 at this part lol 😂
That light was sooo freaking bright, no matter how you zoom in on his face, it’s completely drowned out by the light 💡
That was a CRUCIAL facial reaction of his that I wanted to see so badly!
Same, girl, same! 😩 It was such an important moment!
We needed to see his face in full glory!
Yes! Not seeing his face drives me crazy! We NEEDED to see it! ugh Dropped the ball on that one!
He witnessed Pen's hair cascading down her shoulders in season 1. Loved Pen's flowing curls during their first dance. Very uninhibited and fun.
I agree. He has observed her hair a lot. A catch: after he has mentionned he loves her hair when it is untied, she no longer ties it once. She styles her hair the way he loves.
@@mthepops~ That's true! Didn't even think about that until now! Love it even more now!
I recently re-read RMB and the “two blue pools” is actually a line from the book! I agree though, if they’re going to change his journal entries, they should have changed that line!
Where in RMB is the “two blue pools” line? If it’s referencing eyes, that line doesn’t make sense. I’m RMB, her eyes are brown and his are green.
I assumed the initial awkward touches were Colin making sure that she wants to more intimate. The carriage scene was a very caught up in the moment scene. The mirror scene is more cautious and deliberate and he wants to know if she’s comfortable and ready to cross that final social impropriety line.
I agree. In the book, Colin's inner monolog describes a sense of calmness coming over him because he wanted to make sure Pen enjoyed herself. I got the feeling that in this scene, every move from Colin (up until a certain point) was calculated because he only cared about two things. Making Pen feel good and making her his.
You are super right about all the things he loves about her he didn’t elaborate.
I feel like the editing was awful and I think it was because they broke the furniture 🪑 and then it was hard to continue and they had to edit with what they had…. However they were a lot of missed moments where they could have “touch” her in the beginning above the clothes. Have a hand ✋🏻 running down her arm, her neck, kissing the neck, biting the ear, or kissing the nose… all these things where the actors don’t have to actually have to get naked. Shots that are just body parts touching other body parts where both actors are still clothes.
I mean idk editing and the script in this scene was off.
The whole time I’m like I don’t need to see actors naked. Subtext is enough and I feel like Colin and Pen were little freaks. I mean she’s been waiting for this for a while from Colin and he’s traveled and seen stuff. He could have told her stuff you know dirty things in period speech.
I’m sure she would have been game and again the actors didn’t even need to get naked. It not about that at all. She could have run her fingers through this back, he could have grabbed her thigh omg sooooo many things!!
I a million times agree, the carriage scene was off the charts! I didn’t feel this scene half as much!
He always loved her but not in the same way he loved his sisters. The feelings he admitted to having for her in the carriage were sexual feelings, physical attraction, that was new to him because for so long she was neither sister or sexual partner or marriage prospect to him. It was only after he had a taste that he was enlightened. Finally, at the thought of her - being everything he desires in a spouse - with someone else, he panics. He had not realized she desired him in all the ways as well. His feelings for her were like drips of water, collecting over time; a growing flame burning, consuming a candle. The motifs were clear to me with all the candles in various burned stages, and his increased thirst around her since season 1. This is my favorite couple story because of their extended timeline, their history, and their evolving year after year as people actually do. They knew each other well (enough) before their engagement and wedding rather than warming up to love afterwards. Previous couples had attraction first and always saw the other as an unlikely prospect; whereas Colin hadn't considered her, "Pen", a likely prospect until someone else did. She was just Pen until he fully realized he desired for her to be Mrs. Colin "Penelope" Bridgerton.
It really sucks that the Internet is a place where you had to spend almost five minutes repeating that just because you like pancakes it doesn't mean you hate waffles. Unfortunately, asking crazy and mean people to please not be crazy and/or mean doesn't work. 😔👍
From a person who, like you, belongs to that part of fans that rewatch over and over again, see every single details, analyze and reanylize everything, watch every scene multiple times ecc I totally felt the pain you felt imaging people not getting the point in Colin’s “I love you”. I mean, I wanted everyone be so sure about that like me sooooo bad! It’s something I felt even in episode six where she confessed the since-forever ongoing love for him and I REALLY wanted him to say something more after ALL THOSE YEARS!!!!
What a nice surprise to wake up to. Once again... you nailed it 👏
1. Those kisses kind of bothered me a little. They had so much potential there and waisted it. Like, she could have put her arms around his neck and he could have put his hands around her waist and pulled her closer, idk. I didn't feel that urgency they have for each other, the desire, the passion that makes them want to go further. We see that anxiety a little bit more with Pen but even though, it feels like that wasn't enough to light up their 🔥, you know?! (I'll add to this the line "you are so beautiful" when he comes to her in the chaise lounge. The line itself is good but he could have said it in a smoother/sexier way, after running his eyes over her body.) I mean, I know the scene is supposed to be romantic 'cause it's her first time, but it can be romantic and sexy at the same time. But in the end we buy it... 'cause it's Polin 😂
2. I agree, the light is crap! I have the feeling they did it on purpose because probably Nicola wasn't much confortable with being so exposed, so maybe Luke - in an attempt to make her feel more confortable - was trying not to look directly at her body, so they focused the light on his face to create an optical illusion. And maybe for the same reason we don't have as much sexiness in those scenes as we'd like (the breast touch for example, or him covering her with the blanket). The editing is also not good. In some cuts she looks like she's seated and in other cuts her head is resting on the chaise, like she's lied down. It's confusing.
3. When he "inserts himself" 😂c'mom bro it's her first time, calm down! Do it slowly, in a gentle way.
Besides that, everything was perfect to me!
I love hearing other peoples opinions on everything!! I actually really enjoyed the simplicity and succinctness of his complements. Any more words/longer lines and I fear it would have been too stilted and clunky, or seem like he feels the need to over explain his motivation. Or could even sound like he’s using some episode 1 Colin pick-up lines. What he said was simple and direct!
I 150% agree with your critiques on the editing and lighting!! The hair part takes me out every time.
I do, however, like that they used the settee! She could sit up more than she could have in a bed and that allowed for better (closer) eye contact between them, and better filming angles for both Pen and Colin, in my opinion!! Lying down on her back may be more comfortable, but I think her sitting up more showed how STUNNING she is, and the shots of Colin’s back/shoulders twisted with his arm on the back of the settee 🥵🔥
I 1000% agree with you on all points! Also a moment for you, looking goregous! 😊
My biggest gripe was when Colin finally inserts himself. Way to just shove it in there, rather than take it easy. It's her first time, dude!
Same... it was a bit jarring to me because he was otherwise so gentle and attentive... :/
The BOOK’s📕 take on this moment of the act (losing her virginity) was 10,000 better than the show. This is why fans say all of Polins moments were rushed… literally! No one- in fiction OR real life wld want it this fast). It’s like production silently screaming “get off the screen Pen & Colin. We got to move this along to make time for the other folks… even though it’s your season. It’s sad and disrespectful to the characters story imo. 😢
Right?!
in colin's defense (lol), the foreplay CLEARLY was doing it's job and right after the first insertion, there is a pause, Pen nods her head (consent reigns supreme once again!) and then you can see Colin "shift" some more. And given what Sammy said about how physically difficult it would be for LN do it in this position given its on the setee, maybe it would've been too strenuous on him (depending on how long they've been filming, what moment they've been filming prior, etc) to do it suuuuper slowly/gently.
however, i will grant you that upon first viewing, I didn't clock that he arguably wasn't all the way in yet. the amount of reactors I saw JUMP at that moment will forever be hilarious to me!
I mean.. he already fingered her until it sounded like she was about to climax. She probably FELT ready🫣. Lol, but I felt the same way the 1st time I saw it. Like damn Colin inch by inch!😂😅
I agree with this video 💯. The actors gave their all but the writing and editing (esp the editing) really hindered some crucial moments from playing out well. I hope the Bridgerton team takes some of the valid concerns into account as they work on next season!
Omg yes! There's a continuity problem with the season in general with the editing that kept taking me out of the scenes and going "wait what just happened" and that clip of Colin's face getting blocked by the sun pisses me off EVERY time😅. That was a perfect moment to see his reaction when he finally sees his dream come true.
You are LITTEERALLY hitting the nail on the head here!!! The carriage was 1000% better!!! This scene was the most anticipated and also(personal opinion) the one where they (The writers , not the QUEEN of my heart daddy Coughlan nor my simp soulmate Lukey Newts) let us down the most. I would have traded the clunky "here we checked the box " Nic's boobs shot for an over the shoulder of Colin seeing her for the first time moment. The carriage NAILED IT , with alluding to things instead of here is the scene *Periodt* . I think we should have gone a lot slower with a cut to anything else and then maybe a come back to them. They got my boi looking like a 2 pump chump out here, and in the same beat made gave us too much clarity on what actually happens which eliminates the audience imagination. Have the writers not met a single POLIN FAN??? Give us a single minute inference and we will run WILD!! At the end of the day im cracked out for POLIN so Ill take whatever I can get but #CARRIAGEovermirror til I die
But separately, I can still praise the authors for having filmed a season that still surpasses the book version.
I agree, the dialog could've been less generic and the editing didn't help sometimes
There are two points that I totally thought the same thing. Her hair pin coming off and the next shot seeing her hair still up also felt like a continuity error to me. And the fact that we didn't see Colin's face because of the lighting was definitely disappointing!
I'm actually glad that they didn't give us any lines about Pen's assets besides the one we got... book Colin's passages about her boobs make me grimace like there is no tomorrow. I just can't with book Colin, man lmao
I'm glad you made them two separate mirror scene videos, I feel like it's less whiplashy this way...though I appreciate your content in general. Tehehe imagine if Colin is in full-WriterColin mode in his head but somewhere between his heart and his mouth the better words get stuck, like a call back to what Pen said in the Bridgerton Drawing Room. Maybe we can get a callback/"fix it" scene in S4? Show even could have saved it by having Colin say something comedic like "yea...I was more eloquent in my head. I should have said [insert all the hot writer-words]" prompting "Round 2". Editing took me out too. Might have made more emotional continuity sense if they had Colin visibly get stuck in looking at her boobs, to the point Pen has to playfully shoulder him or something to snap him out of it, then you watch Colin's eyes shoot back up to her face with a bashful look or something, so it's banter-y when he lets her keep covering them up. Yes, I too saw the blanket adjustment as an actor thing. Pull the seat cushion onto the floor and there's bound to be decorative cushions stored in a box somewhere, surely, or even their own clothes in a pile!
My personal opinion and this is based upon watching it so many times I know everybody has their favorite scene of this series. My favorite is when I believe Colin fell in love with Penelope at the end of episode 3. When Penelope is dancing with Lord Debling his face expressions explains it all for me. I feel like I was watching a man fall in love with someone and realize that it might be too late. I watched that scene from the moment he walks away from his mother to the credit come on a good 30 times. Every time I watch it I feel the same way. We're talking about Colin loverboy. It was one of the things that I love about his season compared to every other leading man. They all were trying to fight their feelings. He was trying to run towards his feelings. So When Colin talks to his brothers and he says perhaps he has always felt something his foolishness was not realizing it sooner. I believe he already loves Penelope then. (I also have to say I think that Benedict season is going to take a page out of Colin season I think he's going to fall hard. I don't think he's going to care about who knows. I think he's going to declare his love and do it in a way that is just so romantic. )
So much of this scene is taken directly from the book. I think if they wanted to reference Pen's eyes, it would have been a nice call-back to have Colin say that her eyes were a remarkable shade of blue. But my only real complaint about this scene is the editing in front of the mirror. The scene reads like a dialogue edit that they decided they did not need to re-shoot, but could be fixed in Post. (Although, this did spare us the Colin wig.) But there are only two pieces of dialogue that actually match the actor's facial movements. "You are the cleverest, bravest woman I have ever known. You make me feel seen in ways I've never felt seen before. And then there is..." And they abruptly cut from Colin's face and we go into what is clearly voiceover. We do not pick up dialogue that matches what the actor is saying until "other parts I have been..." and he pretty clearly does not say "dreaming about." We know they did two weeks of re-shoots and they are easy to spot because of the Colin wig (bits of Colin flirting with the ladies of the ton, the market, the two brothel scenes, the willow tree), so why not this scene? Maybe they thought the Colin wig would be jarring in such an intimate scene and/or maybe they were trying to avoid re-shooting the entire intimacy scene. And for folks for whom this scene was not passionate enough, in interviews both actors have said they wanted this scene to be gentle because if was her first time, his first time with someone he loves, and Polin's first time as a couple. Just a thought...
To your point about the 80/20 kisses and we don't see him desiring her and we need to. I agree. And through dialogue. If Colin would have mirrored her passionate kiss with an "oh Penelope" groan like in the book and then say "you must tell me to stop now if you do not wish for this..." that makes so much difference, and Colin is good with the longing stares they could have edited something modest if that's actor choice that cuts to a completely unhinged Colin stare.
A cupcake reference would have been a great opportunity for a giggle. Their laughter is so real and conveys such intimacy
The problem for me is the pace of the scene. The carriage scene was organic and real. The mirror was just suddenly naked and doing it, but nit much build up. Same with the "I love you"
It seems to me that since Bridgerton has explicit content, they think that they can't do it unless it is explicit. I like how you point out that you can allude to something that you don't have to show. To me, some of my favorite spicy scenes don't always show everything and leave things to imagination.
29:20 the intention behind the caress is NOT STIMULATION or PLEASURE
It is a question - Can this go further, all the way?
She hints at it with her hand pressing on his
His hand pinching her is more of a reflex - not meant to stimulate
Similar sentiment behind him holding back on the kisses - he then has her expressed verbal consent so he can now escalate
38:48 the editing & shot planning & lighting issues: agree wholeheartedly & more.......................
44:41 it is the editing definitely
Its a problem throughout the season
I have been wondering if its a time issue or skill one(likely the latter)
50:23 the chaise lounge is in front of the mirror, hence the choice, was what i understood it as (yes they shouldve added a shot demonstrating that)
Also, her sitting up makes it easier for him to gaze at her from a closer distance
About their comfort
They are straddling 20yrs (polin)
Nothing is uncomfortable at that age, come on😊😂
Lmao I was thinking “crystal blue waters of Greece” and then Sammy said it lmao
I vote yes to seeing your shot list ❤
Sammy you need to get in that writers room ASAP!!!
I like the mirror scene but I always felt like it could have been more. I couldn't really put my finger on what felt off but now I find myself agreeing with you and I feel like you have very valid points. I agree that Colin's monolog could have been so much more. Penelope has read his journal, she knows that he can write very beautiful, descriptive words of this nature. I haven't read the books yet but I had imagined they would have stayed more in front of the mirror or had it been essential and returned to shots of it. To me it felt very rushed in a strange way, especially when his words weren't matching up with what we saw. I definitely agree with your points about his compliments, especially about her eyes. Like others have said, have him compare her to the Greek/Mediterranean sea.
While I am sad that we didn't see him really appreciate her.. assets, I do understand if that was a boundary. But since this is Pen, who doesn't look like the rest of the ladies (she is imo far more beautiful), it would have been important to showcase that in a better way. He could have mentioned how stunning she had looked in her dresses this season, how he couldn't take his eyes off of her (and her cleavage) and how he desired to touch more of her than in the carriage etc. (I want to expand more but I'm not sure I can write that on yt. I hope you get my drift)
I enjoy watching your videos so much🥰🥰 i love how you can embody the fun, careless fan culture, being giggly, flustered & excited but at the same time you can look at it with more nuance & critique❤❤❤ your content is so soothing and feels like a safe space, thank you! ❤❤❤❤
Ps. You are so gorgeous, inside & out! 🥹🫶🫶 i alway love your outfits, this top suits you soooo well ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
They need you in the writers room for season 4 I swear 🫡🫡
Everything you felt wasn't quite on I fell exactly the same! Took the words right out my mouth! Makes me feel better haha
It's good you said it's your personal preference, coz girl! I liked everything about the mirror scene, from the choice of words to the acting skills. I however concur with you that S3 had a few editing mishaps, even in the carriage scene.
"He's seen many bodies of water" is killing me. 🤣🤣
I also have no idea why a chasis vs a fainting couch! I mean have your seen madmen when Betty buys a fainting couch. It’s much bigger and would have supported Pen’s back and she could have had pillows behind her to arch her back and make her look sexier… I don’t even know if a fainting couch is even a correct time piece but WHO cares! It’s not like they are trying to be historically accurate anyways. Colin would have fit in one for sure. I’m like why did we get a scene of him adjusting the blanket vs getting one of Penn finding a blanket! Where did this blue satin sheet come from. That’s what I was thinking. Should have been her cape.. she would have been wearing one first then taken it off and then she would have picked it up to cover herself
Their first kiss her hair is down and that is something he referenced in the carriage (the kiss).
1. The actors said there wasn't a lot that they didn't want to do. They were pretty open to everything. They also stated a few times during interviews that they were asked to pull back, they were doing too much, she's supposed to be a v!rg!n etc, so I feel like a lot of the continuity problems we have are because of production. 2. I agree with pretty much every single thing you said, though I have things to add. 3. Those things being that, there's one point it looks like Luke is checking out his own bicep to see how his muscles look and now that you said it, was that maybe meant to be a flash of him looking towards the mirror and then they just didn't follow through? We may never know. I also think that Nicola and Luke too even had asked for more book moments to be added to the show, and I think the entire awkwardness of this scene is the result of them trying to cram the 1st time scene (which Colin had insisted he take her on a proper bed, so they binned proper Colin there) the mirror scene (which wasn't in the book, but just something he said he desired) and the drawing room chaise scene all into one scene, which caused all of this chaos. They could have given us more intimate scenes between them, but chose to just smash them together and drop them in our laps. 4. I agree again with everything. The writing was weak, the editing was lazy, I think the production and direction likely interfered too much on something that could have been amazing. the acting was legit though. Nic and Luke did amazing with what they were given and perhaps if the showrunners listen to fans enough, they might correct their faux pas for season 4. I.E. feral hungry boy Colin truly needs to make an appearance, because Pen deserves the same energy the other leads had, especially seems it's true to his character. 5. That cover up with the blanket was definitely Luke. He's talked about being protective and like, no one is in the room with you, so the only reason to cover her, is for her real life modesty and nothing to do with the show. That moment was L&N for sure.
Your sparkling eyes are more beautiful than any of the blue seas I have ever seen.
A video! A video! A video! So exciting!!!! I already know what one of your issues is going to be. There’s a scene that is out of order. In one scene her hair is down, the next it’s still up. It’s obvious enough to me that I notice it each time, kinda halts the moment if that makes sense. The part where she asks if he’s sure he loves her is so heartbreaking 💔
Also, I think when you’re talking about not getting enough from him, I think we’re making too much of this sweet , considerate first time scene. I think if we had had a spicy scene after they were already comfortable with each others bodies, we wouldn’t be feeling so bereft of these moments. Hopefully in season four we’ll get something like that
I’m convinced the mirror dialogue was originally longer. The compliments feel disjointed. I’m going to blame studio notes saying it was too long.
Yeah about 10:45 it's hard to believe that this is the same man who wrote "“In those moments alone, as my fingers trace freckles from cheek to collarbone, or as I watch the way starlight dances across skin,I marvel at how one can feel such intimacy, but also such great distance.”
"Two blue pools" and all that was not giving. I know it is supposed to be cute and 'oh Colin is so in love he's speechless' but his lack of mind-blowing, awe-inspiring speech really wasn't worth this authenticity or whatever. I wish they had expressed that differently than by him babbling incoherently most of the time. (With exception of the willow tree scene, that was hilarious!)
This also made watching the dream sequence really weird for me. Like dude why are you dreaming of yourself like that? Even Penelope, caught off guard, surprised me with "you occupy my every thought" like at least it did not sound too modern.
Anyway.
PS. I just remembered Penelope's "you're eyes are the most remarkable shade of blue, yet somehow they shine even brighter when you are kind" and Colin's two blue pools really were a letdown after that.
i love how well you elaborate each moment, i totoally agree with you, the seen was good, definitely couldve been worse, but it had so much potential to be so much more and clear things up about how colin came to love penelope
I really think the scene was quite good.
I still think about the line that Anthony tells Kate "Do you even know all the ways a lady can be seduced?" and it's insane how good that line is and how fitting it is. It's in no way clunky and you know he means it. There's always a feeling of reciprocal love and lust that feels comfy throughout the season. Polin was robbed of these moments. Bridgerton always emphasized that friendship is a great basis for romance and here it fell on its head. It was like when in grade school you told your best friend you had a crush on them and after that you just couldn't talk to them normally because you felt exposed and never at ease again. We didn't even get to see them make a baby and it isn't like they moved away like Daphne and Simon did. It was MAGIC and done everything is perfect we don't know how but it's perfect. Don't question it.
Hi Sammy, I really enjoy your videos and had started to seek them out, rather than just stumble across them. Lots of what you say I do totally agree with, some of it did surprise me. Here my thoughts and obvsiouly like yourself say, this is just my thoughts on it and not any type of criticism. The 'I love you', I thought came on the back of Anthony telling him that he has to tell her and that's why he even went to see Pen. I had the impression that he wanted to say it as soon as he got a chance to and that was his chance, rather than growing out of a romantic moment he tells her in the context of that he will always defend her.
The next thing, the dialog in front of the mirrow: totally agree that the editing is a complete mess. It pulls you unnecessarily out of the moment. I was under the strong impression that they tried to safe time with overlayering the words with the movements. I actually really liked the ''cascading hair' and the dropping needle, I would have liked the see the second needle drop too, to make it more rhytmic and balanced, He clearly was about to pull the second needle from the way he looked at her hair. I both liked the overhead shots and the way the clothes dropped, but totally agreed with the two blue pools. I literally felt how hard Luke tried to make it sound beautiful, but the words were still sh... ah... bad.
Also totally miss a reaction of Colin, (or Luke) to the vison off her being naked, what the heck?? And the next thing missing there and in the rest of the scene is the missing touch. Anything, his hands on her arms, him bending down and kissing her naked skin.... or as you suggest his hands on her cleavage....anything.
I didn't quite get the issues with the blanket, he just covered them up, I didn't get the vibe that it might have been Luke covering Nic.
And last I thought actually the Chaise Lounge visually really beautiful, and even helpful seeing her more upright rather than plonked down flat on the bed.
On a whole I think the overall beauty is stunning and not sure if I think as we cannot change the editing anymore I try and overlook those issues, even though it is a bit disappointing, as it could have been just much better.
I love they choose a chaise long, it seams an improvisation at that place and something not planning at all. He just ask her to "lay down" and she did. It seams very realistic for a first time for me, especially at that conditions (light day, home moving, before wedding, just got engaged).
in the scene where her dress drops and he tells her to lie down, she still has on her underwear. you can see the bottom of it a.t the top of the screen. ugh... thank you for putting into words the parts of the scene that felt off but I couldn't point why.
29:12 Sammy, couldn’t agree more!!!!!! I love the book and I admit, as much as the scene in show was lovely, THIS detail NOT happening made no sense. I understand that it may have been an issue of comfort between actors, but it could have been insinuated much better. We ALL know of Colin’s appreciation of her lovely figure 31:45
It's like you were in my head!!! Omgosh Tjank you. I thought it was just me having these negative thoughts. But unlike you, I was super disappointed. I thought 80% dialog was awful and NOT what real lovers would say, especially on their 1st time. Being a huge Bridgerton fan, this scene and a couple of others, like the decision to make him sleeping a little tiny couch, ruined my overall enjoyment of the POLIN chemistry.
Every time I see the scene where he drops trou I keep wondering when he got rid of his boots. And how unsexy the pulling off of tight boots can be.
Well, if she was hiding behind Whistledown, how come Colin calls her brave even before the reveal?"
Well, I'm glad you asked, imaginary person in my head! Let's dial back a bit again.
I am a firm believer that Colin's envy towards Penelope (and him realising his romantic feelings) actually started back in s2, during their talk about purpose. She was the one leading the conversation then, who knew what her purpose would be, and to him, that is bravery, being true to oneself and knowing your place. And we see how in s3 part 1, Colin resorts to adopting a whole new persona, something Penelope does not do, even after changing her entire wardrobe and facing the Ton's eyes, she remains herself (and she is capable of acting! She effortlessly disguises herself as a maid and fakes an accent when delivering the Whistledown papers), and I think Colin noticed that. She has a new dress, and her hair looks different, but she's still Pen, meanwhile he, on the other hand, is pretending to be someone else. And when the scandal about the lessons came out, Penelope still showed her face when people were still preoccupied by the scandal. Debling says it best:
"Well done."
"For being a fool?"
"For stepping away from the herd, even though you risked becoming a target."
Penelope's bravery and honesty are the very reason Debling is interested in her, rather than in Cressida; she knows who she is, and what she likes (whereas Cressida adapts). Sure, he was not looking for a love match, but he was looking for authenticity, which Penelope always had. Because she's terrible at hiding her identity, actually. Eloise guesses it's her after listening to her once! Penelope has never hidden how much she likes gossip. In s2e1 she admits it outright that being a wallflower allows her to hear everything.She's always been true to herself to some degree though, which is its own form of bravery, but she's never had the courage to ask for what she wanted before Colin helped her build her confidence.She's always been true to herself to some degree though, which is its own form of bravery, but she's never had the courage to ask for what she wanted before Colin helped her build her confidence.She's always been true to herself to some degree though, which is its own form of bravery, but she's never had the courage to ask for what she wanted before Colin helped her build her confidence.
I wish Shonda had hired to you for the production of Season 3. ❤🥺
17:46 It feels like they rushed through their storyline a bit to fit everything in so I wonder if that’s why the language wasn’t more expansive.
I have some thoughts:
-the Two Blue Pools line - totally agree that is just janky writing
- the waxing on about certain and parts and then no actual touch is just weird and I do agree if it was a boundary (even though the were chest to chest later) then some sort of verbal caress was needed to tie in his "dreaming of" comment or alluding to it like they did in the carriage
- her comments in this scene is highlighted by a lot of the husband/boyfriends watching bridgerton comments
- In Regards to Pacing - I see her argument - but it we thinking about the timing within the story - the carriage scene just happened mere hours ago - so characters going 0 to 100 is apt for this scene. Especially Pen who's even more reved up after he defended her from her Mother.
- the lighting in Colins face when he's looking at her bared - like I too would have loved to have seen his expressions and why does he look like a vampire
- the camera angle choices - totally agree that some of them do take you out of the scene.
- the editing really is clunky in this scene sometimes it works and sometimes I think the editor got lost in the scenes we didn't see because some choices are just bad
So analytically I total agree with you & I too can look past these technical issues and enjoy the scene.
I personally find words A LOT more sexy than touch so in the next seasons I really hope they ramp up the sexy talk maybe (comfortable for the actors of course!) Take sexy lines from the book and things like that to really make the scenes melt our knees!