$3,000 into $1.2 Million in Two Years w/ "Yoshi"
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- Опубліковано 6 гру 2018
- Our latest podcast interview is an AP who goes by the name “Yoshi.” For those who don’t know his story, Yoshi is a card counter who turned $3,000 into $1.2 million in two years of full-time play. He has recently taken an indefinite break from AP, and in this interview we discuss:
- The road from beginner to pro
- What led to his decision to step away from advantage play.
- His perspective looking back at the last 2 years
- His advice for other card counters and APs
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I watched 1 video and i cant stop now
Colin, in the UK and Holland they are only using CSM machines!! I cannot believe it. There is absolutely no chance I can try start a CC career :( Can you offer any advice? Thanks
Andrew Shepherd can’t CC a CSM but you never have negative counts, the count is always 0, and you could hustle for casino comps with perfect basic strategy. Other than that, save up for a trip to the US
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Collin I’ve lost almost all of my bankroll I started with 4500$ now at 1075$ after about 50 hours of playing at crowded tables this casino only offers 6:5 but I backcount until a true 4 when i have the edge. Anyway I don’t want to loose all my bankroll on these 6:5s tables at the only casino in my state is it worth the wait and only do this at 3:2 tables? Any advice would be much appreciated
I will be lonely for 2 years for 1.2 million
Being lonely is the easy part. Staying on the course is the hard part.
🤣🤣
@@treasurewuji8740 Not when you're making that kind of money.
Its very lonely. You can't tell hardly anyone even close family.
@@UneducatedGeologistit’s legal… why can’t you?
Colin, these podcasts are amazing
Awesome!
Thank you guys for sharing your stories, it really helps the people listening what to expect if they get into this for the long run. Colin, you probably don’t hear it enough but thank you for what you do.
I would love to hear more podcast with you Colin!
Sure
Card counting I think teaches you to recognize and pursue an opportunity. It isn’t the best opportunity in the world, but it is a big one.
Best casino story I've read was in Burning The Tables In Las Vegas by Ian Andersen. The story about "Granny" and her "Grandson"!
Amazing story thanks Colin and Yoshi!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Oh yeah yeah
Are there any more podcasts like this?
Yoshi should definitely write a book if he hasn't already decided to do that and I'm sure he's a great player but there's no doubt about it that he was also extremely lucky to start with such a small amount and end up with so much in such a short amount of time without having as many hurdles or downswings as other players for sure.
Straight up. Esp since he sounds so nonchalant, like he expected to win. I expect to win and more often than not hopes get crushed
the better you are, the luckier you get
That small bankroll was still large enough for lower limit tables. You need discipline and great money management skills. Those are 2 things most people don't have.
How’s Yoshi doing three years later?
This be extremely discouraging. Card counting requires near perfect skills regarding: counting, BS, deviations, betting deviations, money management and life management in general, to work.
However, saying this guy got really really lucky would be an understatement
- 9:22 + 23:45 Got really nice games only a few hours away. Great rules and great pen. Perfect for starting
- 8:40 with the following variables his ROR was 5.9%, given he used HiLo:
[TC x 10$ bet spread(no more than 60$, e.g. TC=9 is still 60$ bet)]
[3k bankroll]
[6D game]
[S17 DAS Sr RSA rules]
[92%pen]
[no back counting(he mentined he just betted tabe minimum, 5$, 10$ at double deck games)]
Though it's PROBABLY higher since adjusting any of the variables will result in an icnrease ROR and this specific game is EXTREMELY RARE. Furthermore, everyone is human and thus we make mistakes, even more so when we are starting out, like he stated.
Just change the pen to 83%(5/6 decks), and the rules to [H17 DAS RSA] and you're looking at a ROR of at least 20.5%
Needles to say, he got lucky
- 13:05 grossly overbetting but it worked out,
- 14:35 + 25:56 didn't have crippling loosing streaks that caused him to re-size. The most he ever lost is
I really appreciate these points thank you
Yes - He got the dream set up
sorry I'm late.. just love that saying tho, money is to be used and people to be enjoyed.. learn something every day!
I used to sleep in the car all the time. One time, I got a room and was so uncomfortable in the bed that I went back out to the car to sleep. A couple hours later a security guard knocked on my window and said I couldn't sleep there because I wasn't a guest. I showed him my key and told him which room I was in. I know that took him by surprise, but he insisted that I go back to my room because sleeping in the car didn't look good for the hotel. That leads me to a question? Where have you guys found a good place to sleep? Casinos will run you out if you are sleeping in their lot. I used to sleep in Walmart parking lots, but they have cameras and I got run out of there too. Denny's used to be a good choice, as have hospitals. I even tried a police station to see if I could get away with it. I did. My favorite spot would be a car dealership - in the service area. I got caught here a couple of times, but after telling the salesmen I was a gambler, they got off on my story and let me stay.
Trucker stops
Fuck man that's full on degen
You're my kind of card counter. Can't tell you how many times I've crashed in abandoned parking lots and sketchy neighborhoods to save money. I love the lifestyle. It's like a Jack Kerouac novel minus the alcoholism and drug addiction.
24/7 gyms, YMCA...shower & workout no matter where you are
Hospitals are great
2500 hours is a lot of time. That's 25 hours a week for 50 weeks a year or 30 weeks(5 day week) at 8 hours per day. This man was driven and dedicated. If you do this take some breaks, enjoy time alone or make sure you have friends all around the country you can visit. Yoshi averaged $480/hour! Amazing!
-$60K in one day was less than 10% of his bank. Try losing 60% of your bank to variance and see how that affects you.
MOLON LABE don't gamble with what you're afraid to lose. It's easier said than done though.
Well if you’re losing 60% bank to variance you’re probably over betting your bankroll
@@eyeborg3148 I kept my risk of ruin under 2% but the losing streak was horrendously protracted.
MOLON LABE It’s possible then you were just rather unlucky. I don’t have betting software but with a 2% risk of ruin and assuming a binomial distribution (which is what the distribution roughly is for estimation sake) you have around a 10% chance of losing 60% bankroll. At that point though you’re going to have to resize otherwise your risk is too high.
I just comment what I did before because a lot of new card counters way over bet their usually sub 10k bankrolls because if you’re only 2% risk of ruin on 10k bankroll your EV is not great.
@@eyeborg3148 I did resizing after every 15% drawdown and recouped all loses plus a decent profit. Proving the swings in this game are excruciatingly horrendous.
Sounds like yoshi def prepared himself
Apologies for the FAQ, what percentage of casinos today use CFM?
Can you Talk about Balanced Vs unBalanced Counts... I use an Unbalanced KO count, Can I still attend the Course you offer and get alot out of it or should I switch to the True Count system
We have a video about card counting systems. Yeah, KO is just fine. We have people at every Bootcamp who use KO, as well as plenty of Members of our website.
he was playing around 24 hrs a week and made $1.2 mill in 2 years. not bad.
How do one quantify with the IRS ? No records . . . IRS would have to suppina (sp) Casino records ! 💀
playing 24hrs per week. and probably another 24 hours driving, backcounting, wonging out, getting backed off...etc.
still not bad at all.
@@brendenirwin1237 standing behind the table snd counting, waiting for a good count
Great interview. This is the first pod cast I've heard. Do people claim this on their taxes? Thanks for show!
They should. If you don't you're breaking the law.
Taxes in America is Voluntary, but you can go to jail if you don't pay it 🤷
@@EricSmyth2Christ Exactly!
I this dude is for real I think the takeaway here is think big but start small.
Yep, Yoshi's for real.
If you think that's the takeaway, I'm jealous for your rose coloured glasses
Colin, do you have or take reports about new casinos?
Colin, can you make a video explaining taxes, when you have to pay them, how much someone should be paying, etc.?
I feel like that video would be a HIT and would help a ton of people
I'm not an accountant. But I know a lot of my AP friends use Russ Fox at claytontax.com/nevada/
@@Blackjackapprenticeship I use Russ for Poker and he;'s fantastic.
Taxes? One of the most appealing aspects of this career to me is saying piss off big Gov lol. At what point do they start sending you w-2's?
@@Blackjackapprenticeship thanks homie you a real one. Up $6,400 over the last few months, kinda burnt out though. Great spending money for a semester in college though so thanks!
Lilge was here!!!
Yea, I got heat and was only playing perfect basic strategy ( this was 1979 in AC when I first started. Caught the eye of a guy who had a cable gambling show and I saw my interest and perfect basic strategy, but my math sucked. ( Its sucked since I was 12. I was english and reading and there was no computers yet). So as he moved in on a pretty 19 yr old we were talking and he taught me hi-lo, but my speed was a nightmare. So one night I got lucky and got heat w only basic strategy and not perfect hi-lo and some true count. Not the way to start. But I played not to be a card counter but to combine not perfect, but luck. All of a sudden HEAT. I saw them and couldn't believe it. A $700 bankroll and 5 hour play and the heat came at $2300. I left cos I sensed the back off. A week later, having spent most of the 23, I went down AC to see a friend and same casino and $600 bankroll. Luck again and HEAT again. This time very minimal skill low bankroll, and luck. This time $3800. And here they came. Luck. Im thinking now after 30 years of a partner with REAL. SPEED and really trying it.
very true you can get heat just from luck. I use basic strategy, betting strategies with luck and got heat for that too. I dont even count cards that's the funny and crazy things. Casino just dont like winners.
He said he got backed off every casino he went to... this seems to only work if you hit the road and stay moving
Yeah, that's the way to make $1.2M in 2 years.
@@Blackjackapprenticeship if I was to take a slower approach to really master my skills and kept my bet range down between $20 and $100 is it still likely I'll be backed off from my local casino's here close to home?
@@lukemiller2895 That low you would probably be able to stick around for a good long while, but would depend on the casinos, how sweaty they are, who is working, and how obvious you are or are not in your play and cover, if you're taking any. At that rate I'd imagine you aren't, and probably shouldn't since your EV will already be low even if playing perfectly.
Luke Miller you won’t likely get backed off but you will likely get noted as a card counter.
Yoshi is probably a samurai
If you get backed off are you allowed to keep the chips
Yes, otherwise call the police
sadly i have little access to shoe games , all CSM here in OZ .
I’ve heard at townsville casino there’s a shoe game in high limit. Also there are shoes in New Zealand
Money doesn't solve everything, but only if you have enough money to find that out.
Casino in 29 palms in California has great $5 BJ games and wheel of fortune spins for $5 side bet black jacks 3:2+ wheel spin minimum $50 win
A lot of people are lonely without that kind of money...
Hey i found my local casino have a blackjack tables that everytime at the beginning of each game, the dealer will draw 1 card from the deck and place it to the graveyard (i call it graveyard lol). Is card counting still works?
Yes. That's called the "burn card." All casinos do that. Not a big deal at all.
Ah, the Yu-Gi-Oh/magic player
@@LucksackGames oh you found me :D
Great podcast and great story. In addiction recovery we use a term called “romancing the drug” which is reminiscing about the good times you had while using after you have been clean and sober for a few weeks or months. I wouldn’t call card counting an addiction the way you guys do it, but as we know gambling (you don’t gamble) is highly addictive. So, just a warning to your listeners, if you think you may be addicted to gambling, you probably already are and your family and friends know it. These guys have managed to keep it in perspective and keep it a business. Yoshi said he knows if he starts up again that there is a real possibility he could hit a losing streak. To date he was lucky enough never to have a long streak his bankroll could not absorb. Beware, all you gonnabe, wannabe, card suckin, buffet eatin pranksters, these guys are the elite of the blackjack world and they don’t flex nuts.
Great reply. Gambling is highly addictive, and I'm sure it's easy to "romance the drug," even when using advantage play as an "escape."
Larry Hampton very true 99 perc will fail and lose money only the smart hungry make it 👍👍👍
HI Colin, I'm from Australia. After watching your video and I visited Casino last night. Since card counting isn't working on continuous automatic shuffle(CAS) machine, and only the high tables starting from $50 have the shoe with 8 decks of cards. Without having a strong team. there's no way to beat casino. What do you think??
Ellie from Melbourne
All of the standard BJ tables in Australia use the CAS. Having access to the higher rooms will mean having a large bankroll. If bankroll is an issue would you consider taking what ever bankroll you have and your skills (playing perfect blackjack strategy + card counting) to a south east asian country like Philippines, Cambodia or Vietnam where there are many casinos which do not have the CAS. Take a couple week holiday and see how you go, of all things you've funded your holiday :)
Card counting is becoming a thing of the past, like burning CDs and selling them.
@@RolandoAvilaallin Currently, everything is CSM in the Philippines including all available casinos at Pasay and Clark.
What is a rated player?
It’s when you give your ID to the casino and they give you a “player’s card” and you show it at each tracks you post at and that “track your play” including average bet, duration and actual win/loss.
Should you play 1 hand or 2 hands when the true count is high?
There's not a binary answer. It depends on your bet spread. You can use software (CVCX or our Bankroll Management App) to help you navigate bankroll management.
@@Blackjackapprenticeship There is an answer to that question. Nice plug for your Management App. The answer is Two. The reason is because you have the advantage and want to maximize your probability of obtaining two high cards together on ONE hand at least.
@@rcsebastian2865 there are times when you may want to stick to one hand. Maybe spreading to 2 hands increases risk too much (lower stakes problem), or sticking to 1 hand might be better for playing heads up. CVCX is gold
hey Ill share my story when Im over. in a year from now depending how agressive I go, my 20$ could be at 600K to 1.2M
One more month we waiting
Update ?
@@benjamindover2483 mans went bankrupt😭
It’s been a year bro… what u at?
haha ! @@JackpotHits I thought about this. My risk of ruin wasnt too high. But it was a true grind and only kept going for a few weeks after that post. had a single 2-3 SD loss day, tilted and lost my 500% profit I was standing on, built over a couple months, grinding 6 hours a night... If I kept with the same minimums and discipline I could have made that 40$ into 100K ;P but it would have taken 2-3 more years LOL and with the software they have Im sure they can track a counter over such a long time frame. The technique is to backcount on either a table you can bet behind or a table where hundreds play the same hand. You never play unless the true count is more than 4. means you will count 2 hours without betting sometimes. as I said, It works, but it takes crazy discipline.
He’s already been on GWE
How do we submit to be in the show?
Can I just ask why the church team or any other card counters would conceal cash when travelling through airports,Is it because it slows you down when you have to explain it all away ,
Cash in excess of $10,000 can be confiscated by law enforcement with no probable cause. Look up civil asset forfeiture.
I'm not certain that's why they do it but that's all I can think of.
funny how Colin mentions sharing a bed - I distinctly recall him and Ben snuggling up together at the end of Holy Rollers ..lulz
Did you speed yoshi’s part up? I remember listening to this a couple months ago and thought he talked a little slower lol
I don't think so... I can ask my editor.
Lol no worries man maybe I’m thinking of GWAE? Idk you listen to a lot of these podcasts on drives you know? Lol
35:30 Yeah my dad was a workaholic, especially after my mom ran out on him. Seemed like he was using work to escape the pain of being divorced.
Yep. It's so easy to do.
Question, once you started having a bigger bank roll, did you keep your money in a bank or did you prefer to have it in cash? I just ask because of tax returns etc. Having that money in your bank and having to report your income etc. because I feel like it would be better to keep it in cash. Thank you!
Bank for sure
@@wesleyswafford2462 so you choose to let your money slowly lose value instead because of your conspiracy theories?
@@freakazoid4691 I think he's referring to taxes lol
I have no doubt this will be me if someone helps me. I can go through a 4 deck shoe with zero errors knowing every card played. I'm loyal and honest and have practiced for years training for this. I need a mentor and training. Although I have great memory when it comes to numbers there's a lot for me to learn still but, I need mentorship to further my skill from this point forward.
"knowing every card played"
Now everyone knows you're a liar.
I hear his story and then I think of how many hours I must have logged by now just to continue being in the red. I'm convinced I'm a terrible counter and casinos love me which is why they don't kick me out all that often. I love Blackjack but I hate the swings, they're brutal. I can't handle them financially or emotionally. God, if I have to spend one more day working for somebody else, I swear this story ends with me and a rope in the closet.
Maybe worth doing BJAs test out and verify? Also if the variance is too much financially never mind emotionally, then I guess you need to reassess your bankroll. If it's not enriching your life then maybe take a break and do something you enjoy for a while
Get a pro to review your game to see if you suck or just unlucky
Yoshi here as been in the red for over a year now apparently.
@@Gamenetreviews IDK man. This is really not for the working class man. If you're gonna do this full time you either need extreme luck like Yoshi and Colin here or you need like a good 50/60k to get on with it. I had $25k and still couldn't manage it. This is a hobby, anyone doing this full time is either lying, very lucky, and in the extremely rare cases, actually good enough to do it full time. I'm burnt out. I play a little hear and there but nothing like I used to. Waste of two years of my life.
@@christophercarlone9945
That sucks man, if you are so burned out it’s definitely time to walk away. I agree that doing this full time is bad news, Colin could only mange it for two years. It’s possible your game wasn’t good enough, it’s possible you had horrible variance. But the important thing is knowing when to walk away. Yoshi later said that he doesn’t think anyone should go full time unless they have 200-300K saved up after he had a full time losing YEAR.
I'm new to blackjack and have question with the rule, Can you hit several cards?
I'm not sure what your question is. could you re-phrase it?
as a hard and fast rule, we recommend following basic strategy. this is the exact mathematically correct play for every single situation at the blackjack table. after basic strategy, start implementing card counting and deviations.
Yes lmao
what is 2 x 500 mean?
That’s ambitious betting
2 hands of 500
playing 2 hands. betting $500 per hand.
Does the App count as practice Colin?
That’s literally what it is there for
Where can we find yoshi's music?
When you find his name and face.
What Is the name of that software? Cdcx??
Where are you from with a name like McIntosh it has to be KY, OH, or , In.
CVCX
I'm really pissed with this podcast interrupting my unskippable fucken ads.
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i listened to this whole thing while using the BJA perfect strategy drill sim. got through over 500 hands! if it's a grind, i'm already a pro. I specialize in grinding on games. over 350 hours in MGSV, over a thousand hours on final fantasy, grinding and building is just something my lizard brain loves to engage in. This is just the next game for me.
@@wesleyswafford2462 I kept up the repetition, eventually went to Vegas but ended up not gambling 😂😂🤣😭. I've added black Jack to my repertoire of games I play. I also watched several more videos about the lifestyle and its clear all these dudes kinda have reservations about having gone all the way with it lol. I might just play for comps when I have the leisure time.
@@brolysadvocate any updates ?
@@benjamindover2483 My life started lifing and i'm in the worst financial position I've ever been in....however! I did manage to go to a few casinos (MN and NV) and noticed that the basic strategy definitely works...all the decisions are made and more often than not you're avoiding Ls and taking wins just sticking to the script.
Maybe teach a master class on this cause that’s all the commercials I get in every video
I've realized that when it comes to the casino; no matter what, nor what system, eventually luck will find a way to screw you over.
VERY PLEASURABLE TO LISTEN
What did you do when COVID hit? No job and no unemployment, that must have sucked.
All tables arouind me are 6 deck, dealer h17, double down on any hand, no late surrender, 3 to2 blackjack. Is this a good game to card count on or not worth it?
That's an average game, depending on the deck penetration.
Thx for reply. There are plenty of these tables at 10 to $15. Would love to try double deck but 25 min same rules.
@@stewyoder1806 For DD games you should use Hi Opt II or any reasonable facsimilie.
so 1.2 million in 2500 hours is $480 per hour if he won every hour .. I call you out on this YOSHI....
If he's having six figure swings in his sessions a $500/hr EV is completely achievable with what he is wagering.
Don't write a book. Create a website and post your story.
Yoshi please take me as your apprentice lol
First! :)
lol
No rent, no kids, no girlfriend. Yr making thousands a week, rent you a girl have fun fer an hour, chuck em' deuces✌️. Nice Life
how in the hell did get $800K in a year or so? He would have had all Positive TC shoes. Literally. Ithink he was just betting heaving on low TC's and getting lucky like every dam time
Yoshi was playing something like 80-100 hours/month at probably $400-$500/hour EV for 2 years. To find casinos that will give you table time at those stakes to the tune of 100 hours/month is a serious grind. No luck involved here, just sheer grind.
I'm in the casino about 5 to 7 hours a day which averages to 100 hours per month. I'm no where near $800k. I've been doing this for 5 years. Essentially, what I'm saying he would had to generated positive EV every session and no losses, or if he did lose it wasnt large enough to deplete profits
I've got at least 150 hours under my belt by now and I spent months building my bankroll only to have it completely drained in one ten hour session last weekend. My calculated RoR according to my spread was less than 10%.
I'm not sure I can handle the swings of this game and while I am happy for Yoshi, I think he just got incredibly lucky on top of aggressively wonging
@@cpleasant34 what % of casinos in the U.S are unplayable?
@@benjamindover2483theres no list or statistics for that. There are about 980 casinos in US. My definition of unplayable is all blackjack tables are continuous shufflers
You guys are something else, you get lucky playing cards and you think that you are pros lol. People win the lottery all the time and they are far from professionals gamblers.
What's it like to not understand the principles of basic math?
Saito hahaha that was a great comeback saito I read ur comment while watching this at like 230am and literally laughed out loud.
@@saito1616 I fucking died. It's too late in the morning for this lol
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