Hey Buddy, Thanks for the advice, I have pushed the front forks higher to 1.5 inches, the rear suspensions to 375mm and changed the front tyres with higher profile 110/80-17. Now my rides are fun. I have rolled over across the city at speeds over 60km/h and not hit any speed barriers or rumblers. I tried this with a Pillion weighing close to a 100kgs. The fear of brushing over and hitting the speed barriers is all gone. The balance of the bike is also perfect.
Hi Abouzar, great to hear from you Sir, yeah I do get a few comments on that, but I'm always conscious not to patronise anyone who already knows these things, and at the same time, the very fact that I say it in the first place, is for those who don't... it's not always easy pitching to a worldwide audience with varied talents... have a great weekend buddy, thank you so much for your kind support, we hope you're keeping safe and well where you are? Keep in touch, always good to hear from you, Del & Pennyx
@@Moonfleet41 I understand and I love the way you teach! It's always so approachable. I think I have told you several times that I love watching this channel which is informative and entertaining at the same time. It is therapeutic to watch you tackle every problem with finesse and take us on every step. I have been watching your channel, and I love it when I keep watching, and I keep learning! You are a great teacher/mentor and thank you for the content that you create!
@@AbouzarKaboudian My word Abouzar, what a wonderful, kind and generous reply... it's such an honour to have so much kind regard. The videos are a monster effort these days, at least 12-15hrs each to produce, sometimes longer, so to know that they are sol well appreciated makes it all worthwhile... it is motivation for us to keep going in itself! Take care and have a wonderful week, and of course, keep safe at this difficult times, D&Px
I installed a set of these on my 2020 T120 yesterday and this video was the perfect primer for the job. Great additional info like chasing the mounting boss threads. Not something I probably would have done if I had not seen this. But I did and feel better about the final work. The job was very easy. Thanks for all your great videos.
Yep...I'm an advocate for the booster plug. Fitted to both my Enfields. Definitely improves throttle response for pull away and acceleration. Improves idling too. Especially if fitted a different exhaust 👍
They did go through some rigourous testing to select those shocks, and ive seen very cakey T100/T120s with either the short fox or long shocks fitted and they are still perfect, very very well made shocks and totally transform these bikes.
On the eve of England's autumn dip, & through the latest squalls, October sees them on the road, wet loonies with big . . . trousers. For testing out in the wind & rain, for amounts of 'boing' control, on greasy leaf, through gritted teeth, expletives for the soul. But the 'Golden' rule for new twin shocks, before any 'Golden' rides, is to check that the settings, you start out with, are really the same both sides.' (Oo look Mummy, rear end bump steer, my favourite - great for snow!) Have a great w/e & stick your feet up, 'cos as they say in Australia - 'Sconner rine' : ) x
Really have to second this thought @@Moonfleet41 . I often search within Delboy's videos for help before searching the wider web. Cuts down on the unnecessary noise 👍🏻
When people ask me what's the first mod they should do to their bike to improve performance, I always recommend a suspension update/upgrade. It's the number one improvement even over engine performance mods. What good is adding "extra power" if you can't keep the wheels on the ground? I got this word of advice from a very fast and experienced racer back in the day of my youth when I raced off road. I have carried this over to the street as well, it was the first mod I did to my track day/"play" riding bike and no regrets!
I totally agree with you in every way my friend, a champion sprinter couldn't win a race wearing hob nail boots, power's nothing without control as they say!
Yes a lot of vehicles come equipped with sup par wheels and generic one size fits all dampening and springing. Brakes should have an eagle eye kept on them as well. Don't be afraid to break in the engine clutch and transmission properly as well
I've heard lots of good things about Fox suspension, let us know after they get "broken in" what you think of them. I intend to upgrade the front and rear on my 2011 Triumph America. I'm looking at Fox or Hagon, I don't know if the piggy back type, or traditional shocks. I don't think piggy back would look near as good on my cruiser, beautiful bike btw. And I must know, what kind of pipes are those? They sound great.God Bless, and ride safe.
Preload would be set for the riders weight, and any additional load. This can be measured and set, known as riders sag. Also there should be some static sag, maybe there already is when the preload is at 0. To say that no preload is required at any of the advised compression settings because a progressive spring is involved can't be correct.
Just reading the instructions from Triumph mate... don't shoot the messenger! It's all on their website, check it for yourself, perhaps drop them a line, tell them what you think.
Cheers mate, hope it doesn't offend, it's purely so that we don't patronise those that do... I guess it's just the pressures of a wide audience with varied skill levels!
Seeing you do all this makes me want to get a Triumph again. I miss my old bike! But I think if I do get another one I might get another America/Speedmaster. I just hope TEC bike parts has finally started making exhausts for it.
Thanks Allen, glad you enjoyed, and yes, next video we'll get the bike on the road... it is a glorious sound! Have a safe weekend there, ride safe, D&Px
Oh easily adjustable preload !!!! One of the tricks my mates have played on each other Stop for a coffee after 30 mins jump back on your bike and your butt gets a kicking or your clutch doesn't work or your fuel has been switched off !! Aye ye gotta watch yer mates as you sup yer coffee lol Worst ever was a massively heavy concrete block placed in a top box. Watching the guy attempt to ride off was hilarious lol
@@Moonfleet41 We have had everything from clear glue on seats to changed plates with rude words on the swapped ones right thru to placing bikes in top floor tenement flats ( six sets of stairs up ) lol
That exhaust is magic! I have the BC tips which sound cool but this is way better. Might be looking at that..... will check with the financial controller!
Thank you for your kind words on the production, it's purely amateur, we just learn as we go along with basic equipment.. so it's wonderful to know that it's appreciated.
Hi Del, great video. You mentioned that we should use a thread tap before re-inserting a bolt that had tread lock on it. How do i know which thread tap to use? Specifically for the shocks in your video but also for other relevant bolts on my Bonnie T120 liquid? the with of the hole is one size but i guess the distance between the threads and possible the angle of the threads can very...? Using the wrong thread tap will probably be worse then not using it.
If you caught the last video buddy, Penny was here for that one with the fork springs and I think it shows! She is busy these days and helps with the filming when she gets time, but we do plan to rearrange things and she'll be back filming a lot more often in the future, so we're hoping to keep things improving continuously! And thanks for such kind and generous comments Mark.
@@markmasztal2253 Thank you Mark, I've been trying to juggle life, work and family, but things will be changing shortly, so I'll be about filming a lot more! Thank you for your kind words, it;s encouraging to know we're getting some right, have a great weekend, Pennyx
Hi Del, well if I could afford a Triumph I think it would be a speed twin but the upgrades you have done ok n this street twin could easily make me change my mind, I think it looks and sounds fantastic. Well done and looking forward to seeing the fuel adapter and how it changes the bike even more.
Hi Andy, this isn't a Street Twin mate, it's a T120, the Street Twin is a 900 and this is a 1200, you could say it's the 'gentleman's version' your Speed Twin, a different engine in set up, has a heavier flywheel, so a high torque output, as opposed to a high power output, so a different bike to ride, you don't rev it like you do a Speed Twin, you ride the torque surge, which is way more fun! Also, the Speed Twin is an infinitely smaller bike, feels tiny by comparison, and anybody over 5'10" always feels a little cramped on the Speed Twin, so the Bonnie is a great alternative... and loads of different attributes that are just as much fun (specially now it's shed 2 stone in weight!).
Baffle must be installed just so you don't lose it... right bud?? HAHA all the best to you and Pen. Half the engine bolts on my bike were only 10NM. I was so worried when I was doing them up!!
You say about not over torquing nuts and bolts, we have a tech in our workshop that seems to play a tune with his torque wrench, we've counted 40.....yes 40 clicks on one wheel on a fiesta with a torque setting of 135 nm by the time hes finished its probably closer to 160/170 nm. I enjoy watching your videos, I'm a master tech but stil pick up a few tips, I'd love a set up like you've got but don't have the space in my garage for it.
Hi, I need advice on modifying the rear lights and front indicators in a Bonneville T120 (2022 y.) I would like to install a rear fender and a rear lamp with turn signals from Speed Twin 1200. Also the front lamp mount (framework) and the turn signals also from Speed Twin 1200. Is it a problem-free conversion, because I couldn't find out anything without ordering new parts from the Triumph service center. Order parts for a lot of money and then a problem for a not very skilled mechanic like me... Everything can be done, but do you have a hint - will it fit or does it require complicated modifications? I will be grateful for any help. Regards. Tomek
I have never carried out those changes, so so cannot answer yes or no without looking at both bikes at the same time, taking measurements and comparing fittings, i cannot advise you on this. the only obvious thing that springs to mind is that the T120 has regular forks, and the Speed Twin 1200 has inverted forks which are a lot fatter, so this woiuld be your first hurdle to get over... Good luck with it and hope you can get it done.
Good tip about cleaning out the old locktite crusties before installing the the new bolts. I hadn't thought about that. I understand Triumph uses a unique tread rate on their bolts/fasteners. What size tap size should I look for to avoid buggering up the threads?
I love your videos. Crystal clear info. I was wondering how many centimeters a shock expends when you take them off. I wanted to fit a set of Ohlins from a Thruxton but they are around 4 cm longer than the MOUNTED shocks on my 23 Scrambler 900. Any suggestions? Many thanks and keep the videos coming, they all go into my Triumph folder
If you lift the back of the bike using the passenger grab rail, when that tops out, the shock is at it's full extension.. measure it there and you have your answer mate.. Thanks for your kind support.
I didn't know that and I'm enough of an engineering novice that I don't know how to determine which tap(?) to use so as not to knacker the threads, so if you were to casually drop that piece of information into a future video I would be grateful!
Hi enjoyed the video, can you give details of suggested service intervals of these shocks, and routine maintenance of them . Cheers. As about to buy Street twin with these installed already.
Great vids Del. Small point...when I replaced the stock rear shocks on my Street Cup (black) with the Fox 'equivalent' from Ten, I used black washers and black dresser bolts. Thought is added that important finishing visual touch to an expensive upgrade.
So, they upped the price from 10.000€ (of the previous Bonneville t100) to 14.000€ (of the new t120) and the previous suspension problems (front and rear) still exist. Not to mention the lack of tubeless spoked wheels in 2021 and at that price point !
Hello! Thank you for this amazing useful video! I have now the Triumph Fox performance rear shocks on my 2022 T120 Gold line. Due to a very bad back issues I set them to 23 clicks for most comfortable settings. The bike is now unbalenced with a clearly softer suspension on the back compared with the front. What solution would you recommend for the front suspension to match the settings of the back? Something that can be dealt with by the dealer, so I don!t loose the warranty. I am not looking necessary for the cheapest solution. Thank you for your feedback!
Hi there, the full adjustment range of the Fox shocks is calibrated to work with the front as standard, so there's nothing dangerously unbalanced or 'out of spec' with your current set up, otherwise Triumph would recommend front end modification when fitting the Fox shocks (which they don't). However, if you want your front end a little softer for your personal taste, you could speak with your dealer about changing to a lighter fork oil and progressive front springs (if it doesn't have them already), fork oil generally comes in 15W, 10W or 5W... so depending on what's currently fitted (provided it's not 5W already), you could go to a lighter weight oil, which would soften up the feel of the forks... but again, I recommended speaking with your dealer about this first. Good luck with it!
G'Day from Australia Delboy. I don't have a tap and die set, but still totally agree with you on the necessity of cleaning out all the old thread lock muck before installing the new bolts. So just wondering ... would running in and out, a clean matching bolt a few times (wiping it clean each time) be a good substitute method to clean out any old gunk? Fortunately, I have a mate with a torque wrench, so that's no worries. I'm very close to buying a new speed twin 900 and if I'm gonna buy these premium shocks, I wanna make sure I do it right! Catch-ya-latter Sean
Hey Sean, good to hear from you mate.. OK, Yes you can use a bolt to help clean out the thread, it's not quite as good, but it's that critical, as long as you get the most of it out..(You might consider a small T&D set, you'll use them over and over, and it's a great tool to have handy) Also when you torque the bolts back up, remember it's a "wet thread" (with the fresh threadlock) so don't over tighten them.! Good luck with the coming purchase, Maybe try out the 1200 Speed Twin before you buy (if that's in the budget), they are rather awesome!! Ride safe mate,, all the best. Del.
HI , I have a question my bike the t 120 Bonneville has the X PIPE installed do I need to remove the X PIPE in order to install the TEC 2 into 1 exhaust system ? Thanks
What is your opinion of these shocks vs Hagon Nitro shocks? What front suspension springs do you recommend? I've been looking at TEC Spring Upgrade Part # TTX-5PG Black, which is a progressive spring. I would appreciate it if you could tell me what you think of the TEC Upgrade vs other options... This is for a Triumph T100. I've been looking at a Norman Hyde DeCat and Norman Hyde Classics Toga silencers. I'm hoping this would eliminate any discoloration or bluing from happening later on. I also have considered the Motone Customs X Pipe and British Customs Predator Pro silencers. Thoughts? I've pretty well decided on the T100 as a first bike for me. I would very much like to know what you think of this choice vs the T120. Advantages / Disadvantages... I'm 52, 6'3", avg weight. I want the upgrades done at the time I purchase the bike.
Hi there mate, my word, there's a list of questions! ... I can't answer all your preferences, those are for you, all products that make it successfully to market are relevant and viable... I personally have had many TEC products that have always served me well, the price is always more than competitive and never had a single problem with a single TEC product.
@@Moonfleet41 I normally wouldn't ask so many questions but I'm trying to learn as much as I can right now from highly experienced people starting out and avoid any bad mistakes with choosing upgrades for my first bike. If I had more experience I would feel a lot more confident that I could make educated choices. Thanks for the response.
@@billbarrett6285 OK Bill, maybe I can pass on this, as a big guy consider that the T120 will give you all the power you'll ever need, but the smaller engine model you may find a little asthmatic once you get some experience on it... but that said, they're fine for round town and every day use... but the T120 is a beast... as for upgrades, I would suggest to not get too excited about what you want to change on such wonderful bikes, they come out the factory in fine working order and everything is a balance of performance and economy, so with every respect, at your level of riding experience, just ride the bike for a few thousand miles straight out of the box... just ride it and enjoy it mate, then decide what deficiencies you want to upgrade, those choices will become apparent to you through your own experience. My choices may not be your choices mate... to get you started, just buy the bike and enjoy it buddy, you'll have the time of your life.
Like your videos. I'm in Thailand with a 2017 Triumph T120 Bonneville Black. Where can I buy the progressive fork spring kit you installed and also the Fox Shock absorbers as per your videos. Thanks
Fox shocks are from the main dealer, they are a genuine Triumph accessory and the progressive fork springs were from TEC Bike Parts, but I believe they are the standard fork springs from the Triumph Thruxton, so you could check with your dealer also!
If you're worried mate, just grab a torque wrench and check the fasteners are in spec, and for some peace of mind if it helps you, you can put a dot of marker paint on the bolt head so you can keep an eye on it and see if it moves!
Hi Del ,I have tried to find these Fox shocks but can’t ,could you let me know where to find them .have they got a specific number .thanks Paul.hope you are keeping well.
These were direct from the Triumph Main Dealer, they were listed in their accessory catalogue for the T120 Black.. so if you call you local main dealer, they will be able to sort you some out im sure. !
Hi Del ,I have been trying to find these shocks but can’t find them ,could you let me know,is there a specific number on them.thank you ,hope you are keeping well
Sadly I can't give you a spec number as have sold the bike now Paul, but they were the ones offered by Triumph dealers as an approved accessory for the T120... so any Triumph will be able to confirm the spec, and indeed supply them as well!
Del, I wish to increase the ground clearance on my Bonnie T100 A3, this has the 17" alloy wheels, currently the bike holds the stock rear suspension with an eye to eye length of 340mm. What length could I go upto with the rear suspension (360mm, 380mm or 400mm) without disturbing the balance of the bike (I don't want to have a chain tensioner added to the chain) also I have added an inch on the front fork with fork pipe extenders.
If you have added an inch up front (25mm) then it's best to keep the rear increase roughly the same if you can.. so maybe 370mm a most and see hot it handles..! any more and you will be standing the forks way more upright and that will effect the steering quite dramatically.. I hope that helps you sir.. good luck with it.
Hey Buddy, Thanks for the advice, I have pushed the front forks higher to 1.5 inches, the rear suspensions to 375mm and changed the front tyres with higher profile 110/80-17. Now my rides are fun. I have rolled over across the city at speeds over 60km/h and not hit any speed barriers or rumblers. I tried this with a Pillion weighing close to a 100kgs. The fear of brushing over and hitting the speed barriers is all gone. The balance of the bike is also perfect.
Hi Stuart, with so little season left, gonna get the bike out for a test ride, then the Legend beckons, don't want to lose momentum and there's still so much to do!
Learned a bunch from you on this video, Del! The shocks look pretty darn good, too! The module you’re installing next time increases the fuel richness? Are Triumphs set lean at the factory like Harleys are? Have a great weekend there, both of you! 🏍👍🏍
Hi Gary, pretty much yes, the booster plug initially fools the ECU in to thinking it's running too lean at just off idle, and initial acceleration, but once you're up and running it goes to sleep, not 100% sure but I believe the air temperature sensor is fooled in to thinking it's really cold, which would naturally richen up the mixture, and yes indeed, not only are all bikes set too lean at the factory, purely to placate the emissions people, but in the case of Triumph, there's always a stutter on pull away, making them jerky and a bit unrefined... the end effect with the boost plug is a bit like having an accelerator pump on a carburetor, just gives it an extra squirt of gas on launch! Have a great weekend yourself, storms and rain here all weekend, keep safe! D&Px
Delboy's Garage thanks for the explanation, Del. I installed another co’s module on my injected Fatboy and am only modestly happy with it. I get a bit of hesitation even when warm that’s fairly annoying. I’ve fiddled with the recommended dial in settings but not much improvement. In any event, enjoy the weather. 😎
Hello, assuming these are the Fox A9640207 which is the part # for the Street/Speed Twin 900. I noticed you installed these on a T120. Do you think they will fit on the Speed Twin 1200? Since the T120 is essentially the same bike? Thanks!
The two bikes are different in many ways, the back suspension being one of them.. the swing arm is different too.. not sure what Fox model number these were, i bought them from the main dealer specified for my T120 at the time... i imagine the best route is to ask your local main dealer for the correct spec shocks for your Speed Twin and they'll give you the right ones..! Hope that helps mate.
Delboy's Garage it s about 100m from the bike shed but cant imagine anybody leaving it like that under the elements for months, flat tires, broken dash glass n not even bothering putting a£5 cover.
@@Gio-en5kv Ill bet ot still belongs to someone, knock on a few doors near it, i bet you'll soon find the owner... you can do a DVLA check on the number if there's a plate on it, that'll tell you if its on a live SORN.. if it is, then it has an owner.! even a derelict one's worth good money, they sell for 5 figure sums when restored.
Not sure how much you wanna spend, they're insanely expensive compared ot a pair of TEC black shocks, which are made for your SE and have adjustable ride height..!!!! but if you're determined to fit them, you'd need to compare the mount diameter and length so achieve the right ride height..!
Different level of product mate, these are SIX times the price of TEC shocks, a better build quality and durability, they're an approved Triumph accessory, so up to OEM standard... but in comparison directly with TEC, they are NO WAY six times better by any means.. the TEC shocks are still the best value for money on the market bar none..!
Hi Chris, the easiest way to answer that is on a scale of 1-10, from 1 to 7 in terms of how hard you push a Triumph on a bendy road, they're the same, but when you get beyond that and you're really riding on the ragged edge, possibly even pushing a little too far, then the Fox shocks will prove a little better... however, at almost 5x the price, it's important to ask yourself whether that marginal improvement at the ragged top end is worth it... I've had TEC shocks on bikes for many years, never once have they let me down, never once have I questioned their performance, so the TEC shocks will always remain the best bang for buck you'll ever get in motorcycle suspension period... it all depends on what you're going to do with your bike and your budget in relation to that.
Delboy's Garage thank you for that very detailed response!!!! Awesome information, as always. For the price point and just sheer performance of the TEC shocks, they work 100% for my needs. Thanks again and I look forward to your next video!
The shocks are form the main dealer, they were an optional upgrade specified directly for the bike...check with your local dealer, they should be able to tell you the exact model of Fox you need. !
Hey Buddy, Thanks for the advice, I have pushed the front forks higher to 1.5 inches, the rear suspensions to 375mm and changed the front tyres with higher profile 110/80-17.
Now my rides are fun.
I have rolled over across the city at speeds over 60km/h and not hit any speed barriers or rumblers. I tried this with a Pillion weighing close to a 100kgs. The fear of brushing over and hitting the speed barriers is all gone.
The balance of the bike is also perfect.
I love it when you say "But you already knew that" and I am like "That's where you are wrong!" :-D
Thanks Del!
Hi Abouzar, great to hear from you Sir, yeah I do get a few comments on that, but I'm always conscious not to patronise anyone who already knows these things, and at the same time, the very fact that I say it in the first place, is for those who don't... it's not always easy pitching to a worldwide audience with varied talents... have a great weekend buddy, thank you so much for your kind support, we hope you're keeping safe and well where you are? Keep in touch, always good to hear from you, Del & Pennyx
@@Moonfleet41 I understand and I love the way you teach! It's always so approachable. I think I have told you several times that I love watching this channel which is informative and entertaining at the same time. It is therapeutic to watch you tackle every problem with finesse and take us on every step. I have been watching your channel, and I love it when I keep watching, and I keep learning!
You are a great teacher/mentor and thank you for the content that you create!
@@AbouzarKaboudian My word Abouzar, what a wonderful, kind and generous reply... it's such an honour to have so much kind regard. The videos are a monster effort these days, at least 12-15hrs each to produce, sometimes longer, so to know that they are sol well appreciated makes it all worthwhile... it is motivation for us to keep going in itself! Take care and have a wonderful week, and of course, keep safe at this difficult times, D&Px
Abouzar Kaboudian New catch phrase Del 😁
I installed a set of these on my 2020 T120 yesterday and this video was the perfect primer for the job. Great additional info like chasing the mounting boss threads. Not something I probably would have done if I had not seen this. But I did and feel better about the final work. The job was very easy. Thanks for all your great videos.
Great to hear the video helped and we hope you enjoy the new improved ride on your Triumph! Thanks for the feedback.
Respect = It’s a brave man that calls his pillion a camel!
Yep...I'm an advocate for the booster plug. Fitted to both my Enfields. Definitely improves throttle response for pull away and acceleration. Improves idling too. Especially if fitted a different exhaust 👍
Do you know if the booster plug works on the 22+ (Euro 5) models?
They did go through some rigourous testing to select those shocks, and ive seen very cakey T100/T120s with either the short fox or long shocks fitted and they are still perfect, very very well made shocks and totally transform these bikes.
I’m watching this and I’m never going to change my own suspension and I don’t even have a T120...!! Brilliant series of videos - love it!
Glad you enjoyed it mate!
Great upgrade, put them on my street twin. They look and work great.
On the eve of England's autumn dip, & through the latest squalls,
October sees them on the road, wet loonies with big . . . trousers.
For testing out in the wind & rain, for amounts of 'boing' control,
on greasy leaf, through gritted teeth, expletives for the soul.
But the 'Golden' rule for new twin shocks, before any 'Golden' rides,
is to check that the settings, you start out with, are really the same both sides.'
(Oo look Mummy, rear end bump steer, my favourite - great for snow!)
Have a great w/e & stick your feet up, 'cos as they say in Australia - 'Sconner rine' : ) x
Loving the lyrics buddy, always brings a smile... stay safe out there and keep smiling!
Great video! A rare occurrence. A UA-cam DYI video by person that actually knows how to use fasteners and a torque wrench. Thanks.
You are ,without a doubt, the most informative and easily understood channel. Thanks, really great stuff.
Wow, thanks, that's very kind of you Sir, and we're really glad you enjoy the videos and greatly appreciate the feedback!
Really have to second this thought @@Moonfleet41 . I often search within Delboy's videos for help before searching the wider web. Cuts down on the unnecessary noise 👍🏻
When people ask me what's the first mod they should do to their bike to improve performance, I always recommend a suspension update/upgrade. It's the number one improvement even over engine performance mods. What good is adding "extra power" if you can't keep the wheels on the ground? I got this word of advice from a very fast and experienced racer back in the day of my youth when I raced off road. I have carried this over to the street as well, it was the first mod I did to my track day/"play" riding bike and no regrets!
I totally agree with you in every way my friend, a champion sprinter couldn't win a race wearing hob nail boots, power's nothing without control as they say!
Yes a lot of vehicles come equipped with sup par wheels and generic one size fits all dampening and springing. Brakes should have an eagle eye kept on them as well. Don't be afraid to break in the engine clutch and transmission properly as well
Love the Bonnie series! It reminds me of de mods on Penny’s bike, sweet nostalgia. And also the new “but you allready knew that” is cracking me up 😆
Glad you enjoyed the videos Han, you're gonna love the last one, posting up on Tuesday!
I've heard lots of good things about Fox suspension, let us know after they get "broken in" what you think of them. I intend to upgrade the front and rear on my 2011 Triumph America. I'm looking at Fox or Hagon, I don't know if the piggy back type, or traditional shocks. I don't think piggy back would look near as good on my cruiser, beautiful bike btw. And I must know, what kind of pipes are those? They sound great.God Bless, and ride safe.
Preload would be set for the riders weight, and any additional load. This can be measured and set, known as riders sag.
Also there should be some static sag, maybe there already is when the preload is at 0.
To say that no preload is required at any of the advised compression settings because a progressive spring is involved can't be correct.
Just reading the instructions from Triumph mate... don't shoot the messenger! It's all on their website, check it for yourself, perhaps drop them a line, tell them what you think.
With each of your videos, I'm a little wiser despite the "but you know that"
This suspension is great, I have it on my Street Twin
Wise words and sage advice Del. When you say , "but you knew that" , I sometimes pretend that I did!
Cheers mate, hope it doesn't offend, it's purely so that we don't patronise those that do... I guess it's just the pressures of a wide audience with varied skill levels!
Ah, but that is the thing... yes you know that, but do you do that is another.
Seeing you do all this makes me want to get a Triumph again. I miss my old bike! But I think if I do get another one I might get another America/Speedmaster. I just hope TEC bike parts has finally started making exhausts for it.
Try British Customs. They make an outstanding exhaust system for the Triumphs
Nice outtro music! Looking forward to this tuning upgrade, and then the ride-along!
Thanks Allen, glad you enjoyed, and yes, next video we'll get the bike on the road... it is a glorious sound! Have a safe weekend there, ride safe, D&Px
Oh easily adjustable preload !!!! One of the tricks my mates have played on each other Stop for a coffee after 30 mins jump back on your bike and your butt gets a kicking or your clutch doesn't work or your fuel has been switched off !! Aye ye gotta watch yer mates as you sup yer coffee lol
Worst ever was a massively heavy concrete block placed in a top box. Watching the guy attempt to ride off was hilarious lol
ha ha... Sounds like a fun bunch... Tried the half packet of uncooked pop corn poured down a race can... ?.. blows pop corn out for hours..!
@@Moonfleet41 We have had everything from clear glue on seats to changed plates with rude words on the swapped ones right thru to placing bikes in top floor tenement flats ( six sets of stairs up ) lol
Great upgrade....Love the sound of the bike at the end.
Thanks mate.. you'll enjoy the next video then.. out for a road ride.
Interesting stuff as usual Del - a good tip about cleaning threads out, I will next time honest!
No worries buddy, most welcome, just little tops to share amongst us!
It is good practice and doesn't really take any extra time to do.
Perfection....beyond factory finish . ☕
Wow, thank you Alfie!
That exhaust is magic! I have the BC tips which sound cool but this is way better. Might be looking at that..... will check with the financial controller!
The sharpie tip is so simply but very clever.
Fox forks are the dogs (excuse the pun). Having been a mountain biker for years l can guarantee Fox are the 'go to' suspension.
I want to buy a Bonneville just so I can do these upgrades. Very nice video production. Super informative. No I didn’t know that.
Thank you for your kind words on the production, it's purely amateur, we just learn as we go along with basic equipment.. so it's wonderful to know that it's appreciated.
Great idea on marking the bolts.
Hi Del, great video. You mentioned that we should use a thread tap before re-inserting a bolt that had tread lock on it. How do i know which thread tap to use? Specifically for the shocks in your video but also for other relevant bolts on my Bonnie T120 liquid? the with of the hole is one size but i guess the distance between the threads and possible the angle of the threads can very...?
Using the wrong thread tap will probably be worse then not using it.
Del...Your a neat and conscientious Mechanic.. right on ! 👌
It turns out very nicely!
I'm curious about the road trip. Your voice is super!
Thank you so much Istvan, in the next video we'll the bike for a test ride! 😀
I do miss the old videos with the Missus doing the shooting. These newer videos look amazing.
If you caught the last video buddy, Penny was here for that one with the fork springs and I think it shows! She is busy these days and helps with the filming when she gets time, but we do plan to rearrange things and she'll be back filming a lot more often in the future, so we're hoping to keep things improving continuously! And thanks for such kind and generous comments Mark.
@@Moonfleet41 I saw the last video and it looked great. Nice job Penny.
@@markmasztal2253 Thank you Mark, I've been trying to juggle life, work and family, but things will be changing shortly, so I'll be about filming a lot more! Thank you for your kind words, it;s encouraging to know we're getting some right, have a great weekend, Pennyx
Great work. So much looking forward to your test ride!
Hi Del, well if I could afford a Triumph I think it would be a speed twin but the upgrades you have done ok n this street twin could easily make me change my mind, I think it looks and sounds fantastic. Well done and looking forward to seeing the fuel adapter and how it changes the bike even more.
Hi Andy, this isn't a Street Twin mate, it's a T120, the Street Twin is a 900 and this is a 1200, you could say it's the 'gentleman's version' your Speed Twin, a different engine in set up, has a heavier flywheel, so a high torque output, as opposed to a high power output, so a different bike to ride, you don't rev it like you do a Speed Twin, you ride the torque surge, which is way more fun! Also, the Speed Twin is an infinitely smaller bike, feels tiny by comparison, and anybody over 5'10" always feels a little cramped on the Speed Twin, so the Bonnie is a great alternative... and loads of different attributes that are just as much fun (specially now it's shed 2 stone in weight!).
Very nice shocks. I put Fox Street Performance shocks on my Harley Street Glide. They had rebound. Why no rebound on these?
Another brilliant video delboy. You should defo have your own tv show. Keep up the good work.
Thanks buddy, that would be nice wouldn't it, I guess it's getting the right people to notice you!
Baffle must be installed just so you don't lose it... right bud?? HAHA all the best to you and Pen. Half the engine bolts on my bike were only 10NM. I was so worried when I was doing them up!!
Yes indeed, most certainly, but only after cutting 4" off it of course! Hope you're keeping safe over there? D&Px
As always sir very well explained I think even I can do this upgrade just need a Bonny black 😪
Thanks Matthew, it's been a really interesting project and looking forward to getting out for a test ride... appreciate your kind support.
You say about not over torquing nuts and bolts, we have a tech in our workshop that seems to play a tune with his torque wrench, we've counted 40.....yes 40 clicks on one wheel on a fiesta with a torque setting of 135 nm by the time hes finished its probably closer to 160/170 nm.
I enjoy watching your videos, I'm a master tech but stil pick up a few tips, I'd love a set up like you've got but don't have the space in my garage for it.
Hi, I need advice on modifying the rear lights and front indicators in a Bonneville T120 (2022 y.) I would like to install a rear fender and a rear lamp with turn signals from Speed Twin 1200. Also the front lamp mount (framework) and the turn signals also from Speed Twin 1200. Is it a problem-free conversion, because I couldn't find out anything without ordering new parts from the Triumph service center. Order parts for a lot of money and then a problem for a not very skilled mechanic like me... Everything can be done, but do you have a hint - will it fit or does it require complicated modifications? I will be grateful for any help. Regards. Tomek
I have never carried out those changes, so so cannot answer yes or no without looking at both bikes at the same time, taking measurements and comparing fittings, i cannot advise you on this. the only obvious thing that springs to mind is that the T120 has regular forks, and the Speed Twin 1200 has inverted forks which are a lot fatter, so this woiuld be your first hurdle to get over... Good luck with it and hope you can get it done.
This guy is skilled and smart! His work practices suggest that he must have worked for a race team at some point.
Good tip about cleaning out the old locktite crusties before installing the the new bolts. I hadn't thought about that. I understand Triumph uses a unique tread rate on their bolts/fasteners. What size tap size should I look for to avoid buggering up the threads?
Same thread pitch as the bolt you took out.. as always mate ! just measure it first.!
I'm learning a lot from u. New sub with a new Triumph T120 on the way.
Welcome aboard mate, have fun with your new bike!
Booster Plug is a MUST HAVE. It fixed my T120
Next video mate..can't wait.
I love your videos. Crystal clear info. I was wondering how many centimeters a shock expends when you take them off. I wanted to fit a set of Ohlins from a Thruxton but they are around 4 cm longer than the MOUNTED shocks on my 23 Scrambler 900. Any suggestions? Many thanks and keep the videos coming, they all go into my Triumph folder
If you lift the back of the bike using the passenger grab rail, when that tops out, the shock is at it's full extension.. measure it there and you have your answer mate.. Thanks for your kind support.
Sweet sounding scooter mate.
Thanks 👍
Nice up grade Del, they look very sweet mate. Penny and you stay safe and have a great weekend. Cheers
Thanks, you too mate.. enjoy your weekend and keep safe.. D&Pxx!
I didn't know that and I'm enough of an engineering novice that I don't know how to determine which tap(?) to use so as not to knacker the threads, so if you were to casually drop that piece of information into a future video I would be grateful!
Hi enjoyed the video, can you give details of suggested service intervals of these shocks, and routine maintenance of them .
Cheers.
As about to buy Street twin with these installed already.
You be best to direct that question to the Triumph main dealer who promote them as a Triumph approved accessory.!
Great vids Del. Small point...when I replaced the stock rear shocks on my Street Cup (black) with the Fox 'equivalent' from Ten, I used black washers and black dresser bolts. Thought is added that important finishing visual touch to an expensive upgrade.
Great details buddy, like your style, it's that kind of attention that makes a custom bike stand out... good on yer buddy... and thanks for the nudge!
So, they upped the price from
10.000€ (of the previous Bonneville t100)
to 14.000€ (of the new t120) and the previous suspension problems (front and rear) still exist.
Not to mention the lack of tubeless spoked wheels in 2021 and at that price point !
Very well explained ..great job del 👍
Thanks 👍
Hello! Thank you for this amazing useful video!
I have now the Triumph Fox performance rear shocks on my 2022 T120 Gold line. Due to a very bad back issues I set them to 23 clicks for most comfortable settings.
The bike is now unbalenced with a clearly softer suspension on the back compared with the front. What solution would you recommend for the front suspension to match the settings of the back? Something that can be dealt with by the dealer, so I don!t loose the warranty. I am not looking necessary for the cheapest solution. Thank you for your feedback!
Hi there, the full adjustment range of the Fox shocks is calibrated to work with the front as standard, so there's nothing dangerously unbalanced or 'out of spec' with your current set up, otherwise Triumph would recommend front end modification when fitting the Fox shocks (which they don't). However, if you want your front end a little softer for your personal taste, you could speak with your dealer about changing to a lighter fork oil and progressive front springs (if it doesn't have them already), fork oil generally comes in 15W, 10W or 5W... so depending on what's currently fitted (provided it's not 5W already), you could go to a lighter weight oil, which would soften up the feel of the forks... but again, I recommended speaking with your dealer about this first. Good luck with it!
@@Moonfleet41 thank you so much! This is realy helpful!
Blue crusties...nice tip.
same as what Abouzar said below , like i said before its like you have ya mate in the garage with you having a chat while doing stuff ,
Cheers Mike, glad it helps you mate, just passing on some basics... glad you enjoy, appreciate your support mate.
Fox or yss on my speed twin? 2022. Did you happen to do any upgrade to your front forks. Nitron cartridges? What are the choices.
Appreciate the added tips. They make a good job great.
I'd like to see a comparison between the Fox and Ohlins for the SS.
G'Day from Australia Delboy. I don't have a tap and die set, but still totally agree with you on the necessity of cleaning out all the old thread lock muck before installing the new bolts. So just wondering ... would running in and out, a clean matching bolt a few times (wiping it clean each time) be a good substitute method to clean out any old gunk?
Fortunately, I have a mate with a torque wrench, so that's no worries.
I'm very close to buying a new speed twin 900 and if I'm gonna buy these premium shocks, I wanna make sure I do it right!
Catch-ya-latter
Sean
Hey Sean, good to hear from you mate.. OK, Yes you can use a bolt to help clean out the thread, it's not quite as good, but it's that critical, as long as you get the most of it out..(You might consider a small T&D set, you'll use them over and over, and it's a great tool to have handy) Also when you torque the bolts back up, remember it's a "wet thread" (with the fresh threadlock) so don't over tighten them.! Good luck with the coming purchase, Maybe try out the 1200 Speed Twin before you buy (if that's in the budget), they are rather awesome!! Ride safe mate,, all the best. Del.
HI , I have a question my bike the t 120 Bonneville has the X PIPE installed do I need to remove the X PIPE in order to install the TEC 2 into 1 exhaust system ? Thanks
Yes you do Julio, the TEC 2-in-1 system eliminates the X-pipe, makes it even lighter.
Good tips again❤️
What is your opinion of these shocks vs Hagon Nitro shocks? What front suspension springs do you recommend? I've been looking at TEC Spring Upgrade Part # TTX-5PG Black, which is a progressive spring. I would appreciate it if you could tell me what you think of the TEC Upgrade vs other options... This is for a Triumph T100.
I've been looking at a Norman Hyde DeCat and Norman Hyde Classics Toga silencers. I'm hoping this would eliminate any discoloration or bluing from happening later on. I also have considered the Motone Customs X Pipe and British Customs Predator Pro silencers. Thoughts?
I've pretty well decided on the T100 as a first bike for me. I would very much like to know what you think of this choice vs the T120. Advantages / Disadvantages... I'm 52, 6'3", avg weight. I want the upgrades done at the time I purchase the bike.
Hi there mate, my word, there's a list of questions! ... I can't answer all your preferences, those are for you, all products that make it successfully to market are relevant and viable... I personally have had many TEC products that have always served me well, the price is always more than competitive and never had a single problem with a single TEC product.
@@Moonfleet41 I normally wouldn't ask so many questions but I'm trying to learn as much as I can right now from highly experienced people starting out and avoid any bad mistakes with choosing upgrades for my first bike.
If I had more experience I would feel a lot more confident that I could make educated choices. Thanks for the response.
@@billbarrett6285 OK Bill, maybe I can pass on this, as a big guy consider that the T120 will give you all the power you'll ever need, but the smaller engine model you may find a little asthmatic once you get some experience on it... but that said, they're fine for round town and every day use... but the T120 is a beast... as for upgrades, I would suggest to not get too excited about what you want to change on such wonderful bikes, they come out the factory in fine working order and everything is a balance of performance and economy, so with every respect, at your level of riding experience, just ride the bike for a few thousand miles straight out of the box... just ride it and enjoy it mate, then decide what deficiencies you want to upgrade, those choices will become apparent to you through your own experience. My choices may not be your choices mate... to get you started, just buy the bike and enjoy it buddy, you'll have the time of your life.
@@Moonfleet41 Thanks very much for the advice. Take care and have a good weekend.
Like your videos. I'm in Thailand with a 2017 Triumph T120 Bonneville Black.
Where can I buy the progressive fork spring kit you installed and also the Fox Shock absorbers as per your videos. Thanks
Fox shocks are from the main dealer, they are a genuine Triumph accessory and the progressive fork springs were from TEC Bike Parts, but I believe they are the standard fork springs from the Triumph Thruxton, so you could check with your dealer also!
I dont put the old loctite out and riden it for few months. After seeing this video i am worried😅
If you're worried mate, just grab a torque wrench and check the fasteners are in spec, and for some peace of mind if it helps you, you can put a dot of marker paint on the bolt head so you can keep an eye on it and see if it moves!
Hi Del ,I have tried to find these Fox shocks but can’t ,could you let me know where to find them .have they got a specific number .thanks Paul.hope you are keeping well.
These were direct from the Triumph Main Dealer, they were listed in their accessory catalogue for the T120 Black.. so if you call you local main dealer, they will be able to sort you some out im sure. !
Thats a nice pair of bolt ons you have there Del
It's me Ossi again. Where can I buy Fox shocks for a T120 2017 Bonneville Black. I'm in Thailand. Can't find them anywhere. Thanks Ossi
Great video. I have these shocks and they are awesome.
Hi Del ,I have been trying to find these shocks but can’t find them ,could you let me know,is there a specific number on them.thank you ,hope you are keeping well
Sadly I can't give you a spec number as have sold the bike now Paul, but they were the ones offered by Triumph dealers as an approved accessory for the T120... so any Triumph will be able to confirm the spec, and indeed supply them as well!
Nice vid Del
As always a great video !
nice easy and very informative m8 thats why i like your channel you learn evey video atb iain
looking good fella, good info as always.
Much appreciated Anthony!
Those shocks are beautiful ❤️👍
Del, I wish to increase the ground clearance on my Bonnie T100 A3, this has the 17" alloy wheels, currently the bike holds the stock rear suspension with an eye to eye length of 340mm. What length could I go upto with the rear suspension (360mm, 380mm or 400mm) without disturbing the balance of the bike (I don't want to have a chain tensioner added to the chain) also I have added an inch on the front fork with fork pipe extenders.
If you have added an inch up front (25mm) then it's best to keep the rear increase roughly the same if you can.. so maybe 370mm a most and see hot it handles..! any more and you will be standing the forks way more upright and that will effect the steering quite dramatically.. I hope that helps you sir.. good luck with it.
@@Moonfleet41 Thank you Del, this is helpful, I am here in India with limited access to stuff available
@@Moonfleet41 I shall keep u posted on what I do with the bike. Thank you good man
Hey Buddy, Thanks for the advice, I have pushed the front forks higher to 1.5 inches, the rear suspensions to 375mm and changed the front tyres with higher profile 110/80-17.
Now my rides are fun.
I have rolled over across the city at speeds over 60km/h and not hit any speed barriers or rumblers. I tried this with a Pillion weighing close to a 100kgs. The fear of brushing over and hitting the speed barriers is all gone.
The balance of the bike is also perfect.
Lovely bike, Del. What's the plan for this one? And will the hipster seat be getting some treatment?
Hi Stuart, with so little season left, gonna get the bike out for a test ride, then the Legend beckons, don't want to lose momentum and there's still so much to do!
Another great video fantastic looking forward to next one stay safe 🇬🇧👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it mate, thanks for your support Richard!
Learned a bunch from you on this video, Del! The shocks look pretty darn good, too! The module you’re installing next time increases the fuel richness? Are Triumphs set lean at the factory like Harleys are? Have a great weekend there, both of you! 🏍👍🏍
Hi Gary, pretty much yes, the booster plug initially fools the ECU in to thinking it's running too lean at just off idle, and initial acceleration, but once you're up and running it goes to sleep, not 100% sure but I believe the air temperature sensor is fooled in to thinking it's really cold, which would naturally richen up the mixture, and yes indeed, not only are all bikes set too lean at the factory, purely to placate the emissions people, but in the case of Triumph, there's always a stutter on pull away, making them jerky and a bit unrefined... the end effect with the boost plug is a bit like having an accelerator pump on a carburetor, just gives it an extra squirt of gas on launch! Have a great weekend yourself, storms and rain here all weekend, keep safe! D&Px
Delboy's Garage thanks for the explanation, Del. I installed another co’s module on my injected Fatboy and am only modestly happy with it. I get a bit of hesitation even when warm that’s fairly annoying. I’ve fiddled with the recommended dial in settings but not much improvement. In any event, enjoy the weather. 😎
What exhaust system do you have on bike 👍👍
Love your videos and thank you
Hi there, that was the TEC Rebel 2-into-1 exhaust from TEC Bike Parts!
Thanks. Stock are really bad. I changed my to Bitubo and I am really happy with them. But Fox is probably better...
Hi. Do these fit the new street twin bikes ? Just fitted front springs following your video. Brilliant. Thanks 👍
You would buy the appropriate version of these from Triumph for your Street Twin, they will supply the correct ones!
Hello, assuming these are the Fox A9640207 which is the part # for the Street/Speed Twin 900. I noticed you installed these on a T120. Do you think they will fit on the Speed Twin 1200? Since the T120 is essentially the same bike? Thanks!
The two bikes are different in many ways, the back suspension being one of them.. the swing arm is different too.. not sure what Fox model number these were, i bought them from the main dealer specified for my T120 at the time... i imagine the best route is to ask your local main dealer for the correct spec shocks for your Speed Twin and they'll give you the right ones..! Hope that helps mate.
Sounds so good.
Thanks Robert, test ride in the next video, I reckon you'll love it!
Very informative, cheers for advice.
Top video thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
Mate there s a z1300 being parked for ages n left do die in old street.... could be an amazing new project ;)
What an awesome bike, am sure it belongs to someone though, and they fetch a lot of money now, in any condition!
Delboy's Garage it s about 100m from the bike shed but cant imagine anybody leaving it like that under the elements for months, flat tires, broken dash glass n not even bothering putting a£5 cover.
@@Gio-en5kv Ill bet ot still belongs to someone, knock on a few doors near it, i bet you'll soon find the owner... you can do a DVLA check on the number if there's a plate on it, that'll tell you if its on a live SORN.. if it is, then it has an owner.! even a derelict one's worth good money, they sell for 5 figure sums when restored.
Hey Del, what size thread tap and Allen wrench did you use? And how many pounds did you set the torque wrench ?
Can I use the bike centre stand as oppose to car jack?
If you have one yes.. you will still need to support the swinging arm with something to lift the weight off the shocks to remove them.!
Using thicker oil maybe to control compression and rebound
good work
Good advice Del - learnt again 👍
Thanks mate, appreciate your kind words 👍
Hi Del, Do you think these shocks would fit on a 2013 Triumph Bonneville SE?
Not sure how much you wanna spend, they're insanely expensive compared ot a pair of TEC black shocks, which are made for your SE and have adjustable ride height..!!!! but if you're determined to fit them, you'd need to compare the mount diameter and length so achieve the right ride height..!
Have you ever compared those Fox shocks to the similar Tec shocks? If so, which did you prefer?
Different level of product mate, these are SIX times the price of TEC shocks, a better build quality and durability, they're an approved Triumph accessory, so up to OEM standard... but in comparison directly with TEC, they are NO WAY six times better by any means.. the TEC shocks are still the best value for money on the market bar none..!
Great video! I have the Tec rear shocks on my Scrambler. How do these compare to the Tec shocks?
Hi Chris, the easiest way to answer that is on a scale of 1-10, from 1 to 7 in terms of how hard you push a Triumph on a bendy road, they're the same, but when you get beyond that and you're really riding on the ragged edge, possibly even pushing a little too far, then the Fox shocks will prove a little better... however, at almost 5x the price, it's important to ask yourself whether that marginal improvement at the ragged top end is worth it... I've had TEC shocks on bikes for many years, never once have they let me down, never once have I questioned their performance, so the TEC shocks will always remain the best bang for buck you'll ever get in motorcycle suspension period... it all depends on what you're going to do with your bike and your budget in relation to that.
Delboy's Garage thank you for that very detailed response!!!! Awesome information, as always. For the price point and just sheer performance of the TEC shocks, they work 100% for my needs. Thanks again and I look forward to your next video!
Does it make a massive difference to the factory one?
Hello! Anyone have any experience with these off road?? How do they perform vs stock, and also vs Ohlins if possible? Thanks
Beautiful.
Hi Delboy, great vid. What size thread tap was used? Cheers
(P) And no more pogo stick, got to be good, hope ur not too swamped 👍🏻
Cheers buddy, massive improvement aye, and yep, may start a canoeing Channel if this winter gets much worse... and we're only 2 days in!
Hi Del, I presume those Fox shocks will also fit my 2020 Speed Twin 🤔 would you happen to know for sure?
Where did you purchase the shocks?
Cheers. 🏍👍
The shocks are form the main dealer, they were an optional upgrade specified directly for the bike...check with your local dealer, they should be able to tell you the exact model of Fox you need. !