The B.A.R. is an Automatic Heavy Rifle. Hence the name 'BAR' Browning Automatic 'RIFLE'. The BREN on the other hand has always been a LIGHT MACHINE GUN by designation. The BREN is quite obviously a far better Light Machine Gun for many reasons.. Capacity, Quick barrel swap, Faster Mag change etc.
you know how many awards from world war two involve “and then he picked up a bren”? i lost count 😂 that gun was pivotal for our fellow canucks and brits overseas!
The Bren was regarded as the principal weapon of an infantry section, providing the majority of its firepower. As such, all ranks were expected to be "experts in its use". The Bren had an effective range of around 600 yards (550 m) when fired from a prone position with a bipod.
it was still in use in my time , but it was much more common to see the 'Jimpy' (GPMG) in the section, but it didnt stop blokes trying to get their hands on the 30rd mags for the ir SLR's
I carried the L4 in the cadets, and when I reached the rank of Cadet Corporal my favourite lesson to give was on the Bren (we had Mk II .303’s in the armoury at school but used L4’s on exercise at Annual Camp).
Would you look at that. Was just looking into BREN guns and all derivatives, was just looking at Arm&Gun for MTAR content, and lo and behold! The L4 Bren! Ahhh, what a time to be alive.
Another thing, imagine a new BREN gun rendition, with a Surefire Mag5-60/100 with magazine ejection, last round bolt hold open, D-EVO optic, in the furniture of a FN MAG, with a bolt of the FN SCAR's HAMR modification.
A good buddy of mine and I have talked about taking out dated designs and shoehorning them into the modern era with fixes such as that (without resorting to any bubba'ing of historical guns). Or honestly just trying to make the gun be all that it could based on modern insights. For example: the stock drop on the thompson affects it so terribly, but it wouldn't be hard to design and print a new, more inline stock profile for it and that would make a huge difference in its handling and shootability.
I carried the L4A4 Bren whilst a member of an Assault Section (later Scouts) in an Armoured Cavalry Troop with 2nd Cavalry Regiment (Royal Australian Armoured Corps 1976-1979) and preferring to the old Vietnam era M60 GPMG... Far better than the L2A1 AR in recruit training at the Royal Military College 'Duntroon' too! As to your question about the L1A1 SLR vs G3 = prior to the change in gun laws here in Australia, I owned both so the SLR won hands down (though probably due to familiarity as well - the G3 just seemed more complicated!) Funnily enough, I preferred the M1A over the SLR.... I also owned an AR-15 and CAR-15 so their lighter weight caught my attention when serving with the Reserve in the Royal Victoria Regiment - in many respects, it probably is dependent on what you are used to and most familiar with .. ? Thanks for your interesting show - brought back memories!!
Hey thanks for sharing your experiences. Thought that highly of the M1A hey? Any tricks for mag reloads, or just 'practice makes perfect'? Why did you prefer it over the FAL?
@@armandgun it seemed lighter and easier over the L1A1 SLR.... with the rear sight on the rear receiver of the SLR, it seemed to me every time you field stripped the rifle you would've broken the zero on the sighting unlike the M1A (M14) ...? Admittedly though, years of handling the SLR made me comfortable with it and I still remember everything about it some 40 years after last handling one!
FAL. softer recoil impulse over the G3. Not as accurate in slow fire , but FAL makes up the accuracy loss by staying on target better than the G3 under rapid strings.
It's not overrated, in my opinion the Brits sure have created a great piece of hardware for their armed forces in the UK and Commonwealth. Wish I bought an L4 when I saw it, but I'll settle for my Mk2 in .303, just wish the .303 ammo was more widely available and affordable so that I didn't need to reload every 303 brass.
There’s three classes of firearms license here Non restricted which is the most common and allows you to have long guns and shotguns with an overall length of 21” or greater with exception of a few particular rifles that are restricted or prohibited by name like the AK or AR, they can be brought wherever and only have to be unloaded during transport, restricted firearms which mainly consisted of pistols before the recent ban but also includes anything under 21 inches and anything not banned by name has to be stored and transported in a secure locked container, can only be discharged at an authorized range and you have to notify the rcmp any time your transporting it there is also a license for trappers, minors and guides called an authorization to carry which allows them to open carry certain restricted pistols in the forest and the last one is the prohibited license which i don’t know a whole lot about as its pretty rare but from my understanding it’s reserved for certain businesses and exporters and is kind of like an FFL and lets you own practically whatever
Not supposed to fire from the shoulder !! its designed for firing from hip or bypod or tripod it's a machine gun not a rifle, used as a squad automatic weapon, The Late R LE Emery did a comparison L4 won
One of my personal Favorite British ww2 Guns during ww2 used by the British Australian British Canadian and New Zealand 🇬🇧🏴🇮🇪🇦🇺🇳🇿🇨🇦Thank you Mate 😊😎😎😎
Is there a reason why you return the charging handle manually on the L1A1 (was it a noise thing)? If I did that with my SLR the Sergeant Major would happily make a rather embarrassed example out of me. We were instructed to only bring the handle to the rear and then let it go 😁
I carried the L4 LMG in Northern Ireland's Op Banner on long country Patrols and the L1A1 SLR on urban for 10 years. , my choice is the SLR Didn't like the SA80 carried it for 12 years as well
Three bits of trivia about the L4. 1. The 1958 Pattern webbing ammo pouches were made large enough to accommodate 30 round magazines. 2. The L4 saw service in the Falklands when the RM Commandos ran two gun sections. 3. The L4 last saw service in the First Gulf War.
I carried the L1A1 for the 1st 6 years of my service, totally reliable, was not a sharpshooters weapon as every time you open and close it to clean it you risked the zero shifting a little - but it was always good enough for govt work, but for that reason when I shot in competition the team was forbidden to break the action open to clean it in the run up to the competition until it was over, instead we had to clean it as best you could without opening the action, a tooth brush works well for that and you could drop the pulthrough through the ejection port to clean the barrel anyway.. bren mags are interchangeable with the inch pattern L1A1's too , and blokes used to grab them whenever they could despite the rumour that the mags wont work reliably because they were designed work upside down, blokes reckoned this rumour came about to stop the 30 round mags getting pinched all the time. When you take control of the bren your meant to grab the narrow end of the butt with your left hand and turn your wrist and rest you cheek against the back of your left hand, , your not meant to rest it against the wide part, using the weapon in this way ensures you have the correct eye relief and solid control, you were usually trained to keep your body in a straight line behind the bren rocking forward and back a little to see where the foresight moves if it goes straight up and down or moves diagonal, and adjusting the position by lifting the front of the weapon up and putting it back down on its bipod until it rocks vertically that way your shots arent going off to the side. this adjustment become quick and instinctive with training, - almost forgot mag release is operated with the heel of the hand - using your finger or thumb back in the day would earn you a thumping this was back in the age before woke was a thing and men could be safe to be men -
The central hinge on your SLR was probably slightly lose. I kept mine tight to the extent that when you broke the weapon for cleaning I had to force the barrel down. The last thing I did after cleaning was tighten that screw back up to where I knew it was supposed to be. My weapon never lost its zero. Having said that I was Royal Signals and we were not giving those weapons the work that infantry units did so they probably remained far fresher. I will take a non zeroed SLR over an SA 80 any day though.
Brother just a quick question... Have you given us a 1 min run down of that white AR beauty hanging right below the Canon of a sniper rifle, with posisbly a suppressor attached to it..?? If so please give me the link so i can watch it.. I am dy8ng to know about that gun
oh mate. yer a lucky man, such beautiful dogs.... true story: a little old lady once said to me, "I think dogs are better than people, don't you?" I still laugh about that now, she wasn't wrong! peace & love to Arm + Gun & all the UA-cam massive.
The miniature firearms look awesome. So didn't any of the others there are all the bomb. Do you happen to have a link to the miniature firearms? My kids will go nuts over them but I didn't find any on your website.
Great video, but it would be a lot more interesting if you actually showed these guns firing. You should really take these out to a range to demonstrate them in action.
Its ridiculous to say that the BAR was superior in anyway to the Bren. No one is firing the Bren from the shoulder, its either prone or from the hip with a sling, stop using it incorrectly and your "problems" evaporate.
L4 Bren Disassembly Video here on the B Channel ua-cam.com/video/MQX6-Cl3n64/v-deo.html
The B.A.R. is an Automatic Heavy Rifle. Hence the name 'BAR' Browning Automatic 'RIFLE'. The BREN on the other hand has always been a LIGHT MACHINE GUN by designation.
The BREN is quite obviously a far better Light Machine Gun for many reasons.. Capacity, Quick barrel swap, Faster Mag change etc.
you know how many awards from world war two involve “and then he picked up a bren”? i lost count 😂 that gun was pivotal for our fellow canucks and brits overseas!
Three B's will get you a VC. BREN, Bayonet and Bravery.
Also Capt C H Upham VC & Bar 2NZEF WW2, he also loved grenades , often carrying a haversack of them
I carried the L1A1 SLR, British inch pattern version of FN FAL. A lovely little rifle
Same with Aussies in south east Asia and elsewhere!
The Bren was regarded as the principal weapon of an infantry section, providing the majority of its firepower. As such, all ranks were expected to be "experts in its use". The Bren had an effective range of around 600 yards (550 m) when fired from a prone position with a bipod.
it was still in use in my time , but it was much more common to see the 'Jimpy' (GPMG) in the section, but it didnt stop blokes trying to get their hands on the 30rd mags for the ir SLR's
I carried the L4 in the cadets, and when I reached the rank of Cadet Corporal my favourite lesson to give was on the Bren (we had Mk II .303’s in the armoury at school but used L4’s on exercise at Annual Camp).
I was trained on the Bren at age 13 in the cadets in 1972.
Wonderful times
My favorite bren gun is whatever one was used in Lock Stock and 2 Smoking Barrels
That was a mk1 I believe
Would you look at that. Was just looking into BREN guns and all derivatives, was just looking at Arm&Gun for MTAR content, and lo and behold! The L4 Bren! Ahhh, what a time to be alive.
Another thing, imagine a new BREN gun rendition, with a Surefire Mag5-60/100 with magazine ejection, last round bolt hold open, D-EVO optic, in the furniture of a FN MAG, with a bolt of the FN SCAR's HAMR modification.
A good buddy of mine and I have talked about taking out dated designs and shoehorning them into the modern era with fixes such as that (without resorting to any bubba'ing of historical guns). Or honestly just trying to make the gun be all that it could based on modern insights. For example: the stock drop on the thompson affects it so terribly, but it wouldn't be hard to design and print a new, more inline stock profile for it and that would make a huge difference in its handling and shootability.
@@armandgun how are you able to own these in Canada?
@@Randy_84 because Canada
I carried the L4A4 Bren whilst a member of an Assault Section (later Scouts) in an Armoured Cavalry Troop with 2nd Cavalry Regiment (Royal Australian Armoured Corps 1976-1979) and preferring to the old Vietnam era M60 GPMG... Far better than the L2A1 AR in recruit training at the Royal Military College 'Duntroon' too! As to your question about the L1A1 SLR vs G3 = prior to the change in gun laws here in Australia, I owned both so the SLR won hands down (though probably due to familiarity as well - the G3 just seemed more complicated!) Funnily enough, I preferred the M1A over the SLR.... I also owned an AR-15 and CAR-15 so their lighter weight caught my attention when serving with the Reserve in the Royal Victoria Regiment - in many respects, it probably is dependent on what you are used to and most familiar with .. ? Thanks for your interesting show - brought back memories!!
Hey thanks for sharing your experiences. Thought that highly of the M1A hey? Any tricks for mag reloads, or just 'practice makes perfect'? Why did you prefer it over the FAL?
@@armandgun it seemed lighter and easier over the L1A1 SLR.... with the rear sight on the rear receiver of the SLR, it seemed to me every time you field stripped the rifle you would've broken the zero on the sighting unlike the M1A (M14) ...? Admittedly though, years of handling the SLR made me comfortable with it and I still remember everything about it some 40 years after last handling one!
FAL. softer recoil impulse over the G3. Not as accurate in slow fire , but FAL makes up the accuracy loss by staying on target better than the G3 under rapid strings.
Your house is the headquarters of heavy, medium and light weapons. It is very beautiful 😂😂
Has to be the FAL!
I would take the FAL
It's not overrated, in my opinion the Brits sure have created a great piece of hardware for their armed forces in the UK and Commonwealth. Wish I bought an L4 when I saw it, but I'll settle for my Mk2 in .303, just wish the .303 ammo was more widely available and affordable so that I didn't need to reload every 303 brass.
I don't think it's overrated either, it's a genuinely fantastic platform, I'm just disappointed they lost the last round bolt hold functionality.
I'm confused how you're able to have all these guns seeing how strict the gun laws are in Canada
I think he has a special license. Idk
There’s three classes of firearms license here Non restricted which is the most common and allows you to have long guns and shotguns with an overall length of 21” or greater with exception of a few particular rifles that are restricted or prohibited by name like the AK or AR, they can be brought wherever and only have to be unloaded during transport, restricted firearms which mainly consisted of pistols before the recent ban but also includes anything under 21 inches and anything not banned by name has to be stored and transported in a secure locked container, can only be discharged at an authorized range and you have to notify the rcmp any time your transporting it there is also a license for trappers, minors and guides called an authorization to carry which allows them to open carry certain restricted pistols in the forest and the last one is the prohibited license which i don’t know a whole lot about as its pretty rare but from my understanding it’s reserved for certain businesses and exporters and is kind of like an FFL and lets you own practically whatever
@@justanothercanadian7173 thanks
You should do the "im in severe credit card debt" meme
Feel like I'm watching footage of arm and gun vr
I own a g3 clone and my biggest problem is the charging handle. I love everything else about it though
Now for an Arm and Gun/Demo ranch colab shooting video.
It's beautiful, like between locksmith craft and Swiss watch technology.
A very cool channel.
I am subscribing.
Greetings from Belgium,
Thomas
Not supposed to fire from the shoulder !! its designed for firing from hip or bypod or tripod it's a machine gun not a rifle, used as a squad automatic weapon,
The Late R LE Emery did a comparison L4 won
Give me a fal all day any-day it’ll forever hold a special place in my heart
Very Cool BREN Rifle !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
One of my personal Favorite British ww2 Guns during ww2 used by the British Australian British Canadian and New Zealand 🇬🇧🏴🇮🇪🇦🇺🇳🇿🇨🇦Thank you Mate 😊😎😎😎
L4A4 extremely reliable and hard hitting
Is there a reason why you return the charging handle manually on the L1A1 (was it a noise thing)? If I did that with my SLR the Sergeant Major would happily make a rather embarrassed example out of me. We were instructed to only bring the handle to the rear and then let it go 😁
I carried the L4 LMG in Northern Ireland's Op Banner on long country Patrols and the L1A1 SLR on urban for 10 years. , my choice is the SLR
Didn't like the SA80 carried it for 12 years as well
I'ma a true FAL fan boy and so my choise will be it.
Bruh his dogs ain't got no idea they just walked into a room literally representing death in the form of metal.
You can actually use a Canadian Army C1 and C2 FAL Assault Rifle magazines in this
Three bits of trivia about the L4. 1. The 1958 Pattern webbing ammo pouches were made large enough to accommodate 30 round magazines. 2. The L4 saw service in the Falklands when the RM Commandos ran two gun sections. 3. The L4 last saw service in the First Gulf War.
It wasn't just the RMs using it in the Falklands.
Umm no. They were used in the Dili Dash for cash or East Timor
I feel like if the movie Rambo were in WW2 he would have used a Bren or a MG 42
I got a siberian husky too. Cool dogs. Ours is only 5 months old and a handful.
Awesome. These guys are just over 2 and can be the same at times. We love'm though!
@@armandgun they are fun. Keep you on your toes. Especially when the howling begins.
The howling is the best. We whistle at them a bit to get them going. Once they start they rile each other up and put on a good show.
For me definitely the G3
I carried the L1A1 for the 1st 6 years of my service, totally reliable, was not a sharpshooters weapon as every time you open and close it to clean it you risked the zero shifting a little - but it was always good enough for govt work, but for that reason when I shot in competition the team was forbidden to break the action open to clean it in the run up to the competition until it was over, instead we had to clean it as best you could without opening the action, a tooth brush works well for that and you could drop the pulthrough through the ejection port to clean the barrel anyway.. bren mags are interchangeable with the inch pattern L1A1's too , and blokes used to grab them whenever they could despite the rumour that the mags wont work reliably because they were designed work upside down, blokes reckoned this rumour came about to stop the 30 round mags getting pinched all the time.
When you take control of the bren your meant to grab the narrow end of the butt with your left hand and turn your wrist and rest you cheek against the back of your left hand, , your not meant to rest it against the wide part, using the weapon in this way ensures you have the correct eye relief and solid control, you were usually trained to keep your body in a straight line behind the bren rocking forward and back a little to see where the foresight moves if it goes straight up and down or moves diagonal, and adjusting the position by lifting the front of the weapon up and putting it back down on its bipod until it rocks vertically that way your shots arent going off to the side. this adjustment become quick and instinctive with training, - almost forgot mag release is operated with the heel of the hand - using your finger or thumb back in the day would earn you a thumping this was back in the age before woke was a thing and men could be safe to be men -
The central hinge on your SLR was probably slightly lose. I kept mine tight to the extent that when you broke the weapon for cleaning I had to force the barrel down.
The last thing I did after cleaning was tighten that screw back up to where I knew it was supposed to be. My weapon never lost its zero.
Having said that I was Royal Signals and we were not giving those weapons the work that infantry units did so they probably remained far fresher.
I will take a non zeroed SLR over an SA 80 any day though.
Love German rifles but the FAL was widely battle tested
I would go for the g3
How do you own machine guns in Canada ?
Big Mag in the FAL ... Instant C2 LMG lol
I need a gun pill sticker for my build station
For a time I carried the L4A4 as an Assault Trooper with the 2nd Cavalry Regiment (Australia 1980) ..... thought it far better than the M60 😊
Brother just a quick question... Have you given us a 1 min run down of that white AR beauty hanging right below the Canon of a sniper rifle, with posisbly a suppressor attached to it..?? If so please give me the link so i can watch it.. I am dy8ng to know about that gun
I would have to take the fal
You have chosen correctly
I would chose the G3 because I own a clone; but would to fire a FAL someday
Happy National Flannel Day
I'd always choose the FAL
Do you own an APS underwater assault rifle? Because I would really like to see some videos on that one
Love the content, I'm finding you from the GoatGuns side. My pair of Arm&Gun M1's just showed up yesterday! Boom Diggity indeed!
oh mate. yer a lucky man,
such beautiful dogs.... true story: a little old lady once said to me, "I think dogs are better than people, don't you?" I still laugh about that now, she wasn't wrong! peace & love to Arm + Gun & all the UA-cam massive.
I'd choose the G3, since you can do an HK slap with it.
I love this weapon.
You’ll have to get a Vickers-Berthier too
Definitely would be the FAL
Perty!
When you say the Super Saiyan of the BAR do you mean the Colt Monitor or the FN Model D? And to answer the QOTD, I would take the FAL all day
BAR D A1 yep
Curious are those guns deactivated or do they still fire ?
Ok just went and bought me some stickers gonna put 1 on my xbox prolly
I actually have a bren magazine
I need all of those in boxes ok
Take them to the gun range 🫵
Did you watch the video? I talked about that. I also discussed it at length in my previous video. It's in the works..
Im taking the FN FAL, My most favorite gun in the world.
Are these guns real? Everything has to be a pre 86 dealer sample. Looks like you have them all.
Old question but I read the British SAS preferred the G3 to the FAL. ?
I trained on the L4 as an army cadet. Actually it was in 303 so I guess it was an actual Bren
I would take a G3 if I coeld get one but no doubt FAL!!!
The miniature firearms look awesome. So didn't any of the others there are all the bomb. Do you happen to have a link to the miniature firearms? My kids will go nuts over them but I didn't find any on your website.
GoatGuns.com :) The collaboration M1 Garand I did with them goes live officially tomorrow (unofficially later tonight ;) )
@@armandgun no problem. Thank you for letting me know
Why don't you ever shoot anything? Would love to see most of these perform 😊
I'll take the g3
For me the FAL
His collection is fucking ridiculous
Stick around. It's about to get a lot more ridiculous.
India also have bren l4
Great video, but it would be a lot more interesting if you actually showed these guns firing. You should really take these out to a range to demonstrate them in action.
I agree. Watch the previous video "I got a dshk". I explain what it's taking to add firing content to the channel and approximately when to expect it.
SLR all day, British is best mofo.. I'll take that BREN on the way out too.
send all your gun and ammo to myanmar PDF ples😥
How do you get to your merch
What happened to ArmandGun?
Special announcement, special welcome. Figured I'd be a little more personal on this one and use my actual name. Back to reg intros going forward.
Why cant we get airsoft bren guns please someone make one 😫
Lucky bastard...
Just seen Han solos pistel😂
Do a face reveal in Mexico
''Chad'' Keep it grown up.
FAL all the way :)))
If the end of the world comes, I’m coming over
Was your collection inherited?
Not in the traditional sense no, but you could say I have inherited them from the previous stewards of these beautiful pieces of history.
Fal all the Way
Its ridiculous to say that the BAR was superior in anyway to the Bren. No one is firing the Bren from the shoulder, its either prone or from the hip with a sling, stop using it incorrectly and your "problems" evaporate.
G3
ممكن اعرف اي الزخيره بتاعتو
Gun 🔫 and stink stinkflyfly
Fal because roller delay is cringe
Today's Super Saiyan Count: 2
g3
Do a face reveal in my neighborhood
Oh neato!
نوع الزخيره
7.62x51 NATO
مقبلش النوع دي
If you wanna see the guns in action and actually fired, this is not the channel, correct?
If you watched this and the previous video you would know when live fire content is coming back and why it's been away the last couple years.
Fal
FAL
Very nice. But we in the WW1 and WW2 the Germans had better machine guns 😊.
FAL. Any time.
🇬🇧❤️ I love it
If my username isnt evidence enough, I like this gum