That New Silent Hill 2 Remake Trailer Was Concerning...
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Silent Hill: The Short Message (STREAM): We had technical difficulties. My capture card stopped recording mid-stream. Apparently it is too old to handle the game. I'm going to try streaming again tomorrow... either from a new capture card or from the PS5 directly.
#konami #blooberteam - Ігри
Why is the protagonist back-lit even in dark environments? They’re afraid to make the character actually in shadow like the original.
literally every dev thoughts nowadays, like they'd think all players are blind or smth
Dead space remake does this too
@@Dreamception.Luckily, Dead Space has a mod that disables the fake light, and it looks so much better. Witcher 3 has such a mod as well. Hopefully this would be the case for Silent Hill 2 Remake, but it'll still suck for console players..
It doesn't make any sense. his flashlight is at the front...
I imagine the devs behind this have probably cobbled together the best game they can under horrendous studio pressure to capitalise on the popularity and nostalgia of the resident evil remakes... and suspect the lack of release date is maybe because they've got a buggy mess on their hands... i hope it's good because i never got into silent hill at the time and was very much a resi fan... but given they've just "remade" mgs3 but didn't do any new mocap or voice acting... i suspect this is a minimum effort affair as far as Konami is concerned...
A UA-camr giving a balanced opinion instead of jumping on the hate train?!!
That's why I love this channel
God bless you, Julian.
Stay Yellow, Julian. 👏
Your still green Julian
Honestly, they haven't done that in the past a few times I've watched videos, so its a nice change. Great video.
if they make it so mele wepons break i wont buy it. thats one of the things why downpour was so bad. if you want it to be like the orginal you will agree with me and not have the weapons break. like he was saying in the video introducing new mechanics into the game will ruin it. if they do add anything they should make it so we can explore every building. that would be sick.
If they gave us what we wanted with the trailer, we wouldnt have known how bad the combat was.. it’s good that they showed it, so they can see our reaction and do something about it, hopefully
Let's just hope they use audience feedback to improve the combat at least a little bit before release, like they did with the RE4 remake's rain.
Perhaps the lack of release date was done in case fans reacted negatively to the new combat.
@@WhiteStars12 good point, or maybe because they already knew it was in a rough state
i read from a few places that the game is already in the final polishing stages. the trailer is from a build from early last year. so they had about 9 or so months to fix things. someone also said there was a new clip on twitter that showed a more recent build but i couldn't find it because i don't use twitter anymore
The cope is insane lmao
I couldn’t agree more with what you said about the combat and how they should focus on the claustrophobia when fighting rather than focus on action like RE. This trailer felt like seeing James S Kennedy on his way to raccoon hill
Raccoon Hill
Hahahhaahahaa that was wild dude 😂😂😂
brilliant comment
I kinda don't think they were aiming for resident evil on this one though, just a hunch
@@williammoon3207 no they aren’t aiming for specifically RE. But silent hill always relied on physiological horror not combat. Hence the reason why they didn’t focus on many guns or lazer aiming/ but now that we have this behind shoulder. It lost the charm that silent hill had: James and Heather are not an agents like Leon or Ada. That’s why it made sense that the aiming in the original silent hill was awful and camera angles were sloppy. There’s no need for combat behind shoulder angle. Let’s just hope the silent hill 3 remake won’t have heather wong or silent hill 1 Harry Redfield 😅
I really was afraid of the silent hill 3 when I got it as a kid, I hope they come out with a silent hill 3 remake. They just cycle through consoles way too fast. They need to start making games for older consoles again, there's still so much potential they are wasting. I would be disappointed.
The best part of new Silent Hill content being shown out is all the fake SH2 fans coming out of nowhere, regurgitating some youtubers opinion as their own
Honestly, I have noticed that there is a good amount of that... mixed in with some legitimate criticism.
Unfortunately with the advent of the internet alot of people can't think for themselves anymore. It's quite sad really.
@@maxderratjunk data flooding the internet huh.. Wonder who warned us about this 👀
Period
"this garbage is not what we wanted 😡"
- Kyle, 13
that glowing hair is concerning
Lol I noticed that too
well leons hair kinda glows like that in re4 remake too
There is so much more to be concerned about. 😂 then again, most remake junkies only care about the visual fidelity and that's about it.
@@just_is44c31 shhh you cant talk bad about the REmakes.
I thought that was the light reflection from his hair
The biggest problem with the combat is that it seems to REALLY lack impact. There are literally animations that DO NOT connect to the enemies. They really need to fix that
Exactly. The melee attacks feel like they have no real weight to them.
@@blueflare3848 bring back team silent, konami keep messing up we don't want remakes.
it looked better than i thought it would to be honest, but yeh they really need to up their game
@@derekb4977 So how do you bring back a group that's disbanded for 20 years? Several of them are likely retired and moved on and won't be enough even if you got back Toyama, Yamaoka, and Ito together. Also, people change, they're not exactly the same as they were 20 years ago.
@@mr.sinjin-smyth are you ageist lol
What does getting old have to do with creating something new a silent hill 5 by team silent is what the majority of the true fanbase wants not new devs banking off others work. And we can contact konami bokeh games studio. It's possible.
One nitpick I can think of during combat gameplay is how comfortable or expert he looks while doing it, like he has prior combat experience or military training. A good comparison I can think of is how Alan Wake acts during combat in Alan Wake 2. in which he always looks alert and on his toes but at the same time he doesn't look well trained in combat by being on a ready shooting stance always.
I literally made this point to them 😂
glad people are noticing, i just made a commentary about this
He is American, guns are in his veins
One of my concerns is actually the dead guy in the chair, one of the coolest things ab silent hill 2 is that every dead body is James at least they’re all blonde, and have a green jacket and the same pants, which is to show that his subconscious wants to see himself dead and tho that’s only one body it’s one of my favorite details and realizations from that game and them not keeping that detail has me nervous as to how they’ll handle the other subtle details like this which ultimately are what make the original amazing and talked about to this day
Yeah, but one issue is that Bloober Team doesn't exactly do subtle. One thing with pretty much all of their games I've noticed is that they're pretty heavy handed and/or blunt with their horror.
Im pretty sure they were just reused assets, like Harry in SH3
maybe he will uncover the face and the body will be super disfigured so he will not recognize himself, but if he recognizes himself to the point of sayin "THAT IS ME??", then that would suck.
Wow I did not even know that
Well in the original game you never really fully see how the corpse looks like, it just looked similiar. Remake uses totally different camera ankle. So maybe that’s why the towel is there
A small detail I noticed that that gives me hope: the rifle used in SH2 is a Winchester Model 70. In the original game, it is semi automatic despite being a bolt-action rifle IRL. Bloober team took the time to correct this small detail, and I’m happy about it.
Gun nuts rejoice. Let's hope they improve the sfx before release
Let them take two more years to perfect this masterpiece.
I never got a chainsaw in the original where do u find it?
Who cares about the sound, the animations, the lights, in not being a re4 clone.... The rifle man the rifle!
@@miquebts Just because you don't care about it doesn't mean others don't. I love guns, and accuracy matters. It's not like you can't point out the good without acknowledging the bad. You people are so weird and childish.
Not to be the obligatory pretentious Silent Hill snob, but the problem to me with remaking Sillent Hill 2 (as opposed to other games) is that it's been held up as a legitimate piece of art for the past 23 years. It's like if Hollywood started remaking David Lynch movies.
The Evil Within is a great case for how to make using a gun really difficult even with modern controls and I hope they go off of that.
Good call.
The Evil Within was a good game in its own right, but if the developers followed the queue of that game, then essentially what would be happening is that Silent Hill 2 would then be more of a Evil Within clone as opposed to being its own thing
The Evil Within was a good example of a 3D claustrophobic horror game, at least for me, and it has that clunkiness as a choice done right, as you said
@@Antnj81better that than to be a resident evil silent hill edition
@@Antnj81 it's not about doing what the game did right 1:1, but understanding why it worked and using this knowledge to better adapt what your game needs. Of course, easier said than done, but it wouldn't take away from the remake to look at other games with similar concepts and add the needed SH twist to it
It would seem the real horror is waiting to see more of this game.
Silent Hill, "The real life experience" coming soon.
Idk who made the executive descision that 3rd person view is somehow more scary then 2nd person view but they should spend eternity in silent hill for even existing. I swear these companies (with all their money and resources) have no actual idea what a good horror game is, nor do they care. Team silent would barf at this preview, those people WANTED the players to be scared so they focused on that, pure ambience discomfort and horror. The remake will be another garbage re remake clone. Taking away the detached (corner of the room) camera view is like taking the silent away from hill. Modern game companies are shit now. They care aboiut profit not making good games. Lets remake the companies from the ground up.
SH2 wasn’t second person it was third person. What this is doing is over the shoulder instead of the camera being farther back. Second person would be watching James through a different character.
We all forgot about the remake the next day after the 1st trailer dropped and on top of that finding out what dumpsterfire of a company works on this game.
A month later a random person said oh right a SH2 remake is in the works and we were like yeah drop it, nobody cares.
I don't even know how I stumbled across these new trailers and be like yeah no surprise and moving on and then this video dropped right after EVEN THO MY AUTO PLAY IS OFF.
Gotta love YT giving me videos that I don't care about ...
I am honestly done with Silent Hill franchise after the 4th game back in 2004, many people I know don't even play games anymore we all moved on, I don't need constant reminders how horrible the gaming market is and how pointless all this is ... I am sick of it all.
I lost count how many times I erased all my internet history and yet it's even worse ... So I just say F it all. No wonder why many people deactivate their accounts too day by day.
Edit: I still have my PS2 versions of SH2,3,4 and SH1 too. Why the F would I ever need a remake of games that I love, it's just absurd to even think about how illogical all this is, heck there are great HD mods for the PC copies of the same.
Yet magically "fans" asked for these silly remakes and some new irrelevant games that somehow bare a SH title but have nothing to do with SH at all.
More like bored out of their life try-hard hipsters (nobodies) who don't know jack even if their life would depend upon it ... Most of them are not even going to buy the games but they "need" it.
who hurt you buddy@@minmogrovingstrongandhealthy
My dream SH2 remake is that by beating it, you unlock an option of playing the original exactly as it was, audio, voice performances, and even the original cutscene animations, but you can choose to replace the original textures and models with HD high-poly versions.
…You basically just said to do what game devs from the 2000’s did where the new game in a long running franchise would have the old games as bonus goodies…Which im all for that is a great idea…If only they had the source code or reverse engineer a copy.
Yeah honestly, I just wanted a remaster that kept most of the old systems, combat, camera angle, and gameplay intact, but with better graphics and sound design perhaps improved controls. I know Konami doesn't want to alienate NEW players by using those old systems, but those old systems actually did add up into the complete gameplay loop and feeling of the game. The closest thing I can get to that is "The Medium" but that's not Silent Hill and doesn't have any combat, and costs 50 US dollars even after 3 years. I just want to play an old school Silent Hill game that looks really good, but its never going to happen gosh darn it.
there’s a reason why there isn’t a proper modern day port of the original
there’s a reason why there isn’t a proper modern day port of the original
@@8johhThe same one that explains the HD Collection, right?
I’m glad the enemy who has no arms to grab with can grab you into a button mash
Finally somebody said it
@@SmartCreeper yes I did and I played the original ad nauseam, that creature is called the lying figure and its arms are molted into its body, it sprays acid onto you. Again how on earth can it grab you and force a button mash when it doesn’t have wide open arms?
@@SmartCreeperno offence but you shouldn't be allowed to comment.
At least in Origins they jumped up and wrapped their legs around you. Mind you watching a trucker throw haymakers at a spooky monster after throwing it off was all kinds of goofy, but at least the initial grapple made sense.
This is gonna sound nitpicky but whats stood out to me is that everything now looks so grandiose and garnished. For example the woodside apartment used to be a boring ass unspectacular run down apartment building. Now there is this big sign on the entrance that is stating the name of the complex. This is not so mundande and close to reality as it would like... what kinda apartment building is sporting a name over the entrance. Also the coin puzzle is now garnished with golden ornaments and stuff when it used to be a plain wooden box. Then i noticed that in the pool area now everything seems vandalized with graffiti, which makes silent hill feel like an lost abandoned place many people and delinquents know about. When in the original the town seemed more like "suddenly abandoned and never seen again" also i think the press x to shake off prompt is so tacky.
Slavic developer making the city look slavic is not surprising. Go anywhere in eastern europe and graffiti are everywhere, socialist era signs on mundane buildings, gaudy decor on household items, etc are all commonplace.
@@akicauchemar7286 i‘m german and i know. Visited praha not to long ago. Still you catch my drift
@@akicauchemar7286And Team Secret in Konami were all Japanese, yet they were able to recreate after a fashion a rustic and believable American town.
I would expect no less from someone Slavic.
they could explain it with the fact the cult did live in the town and they were the sorta cult to use *obsidian* chalices and thus would likely have other more flashy looking object's around, especially in the living quarter's
the sign definitely sound's like a nitpick, but you did mention it sounding nitpicky so it's fair
and i understand the button prompt looking tacky, maybe they could make a hint on the monster as to the button needed.
Nostalgia bait to be used in the trailer.
The only thing I hated was the "press X" to shake off enemy thing.
the X button is dang ugly, can't they just make it more subtle?
@@iszac87 I feel like we all figured it out 20 years ago without the prompts. it's sort of an intuitive thing at this point.
@@inthedeadhours I hope we can turn off the X prompt in setting, it really is an eye sore to see the button this big in the middle of the screen... They need to hire a better UI designer.
QTEs in a game past 2010 is crazy.
@@RandoLePersonin what game is that a thing?
When the trailer gave a Homecoming vibe... that's not good!!! I mean they have done everything wrong so far, this is showned like a resident evil action game with nurses doing stunts, that's ridiculous for silent hill!!! And the first trailer was more focused on the story and it was over dramatic, what the hell!? It's like they don't know what silent hill is at all, no, I have zero hopes for this game as a silent hill game, maybe it will an entretaining game as a pretender to be silent hill.
The ceo said technically ready. I imagine that means they have the mechanics/ gameplay style of the game ready but still need to design some parts the level/ sounds
honestly the little clip with the shotgun animation having that slow movement and looking like it takes time to line up ur shot makes it unique in the sense that it isn’t as snappy as resident evil, but more like clunky and weight behind it. Gives it the feeling like james isn’t that good at handling the weapons. gun sounds do need work tho
It makes sense in Resident Evil, since all the characters you play as usually are trained forces.
I like there not being an aim reticle. Means you gotta get up close and personal.
Sound wise I think people making guns sound weak I horror games is a silly mistake.
If anything the gun should be very loud, and your characters ears should be ringing after you shoot. Imagine taking a shot with a shot gun, after the first loud bang all the sound is muffled and an obnoxious ringing in ears starts.
It would only last a while, but the intensity of that moment would actually increase as your hearing decreases.
It's got the horror vibes but it also carries the real weight of firing a gun.
Damn, didn't notice that at first. I would be 100% down for some weight to aiming and defiantly some recoil to control.
The thing to remember at the same time is that its very standard for trailers and gameplay showcases to have exaggeratedly slow and deliberate gameplay for cinematic effect.
I can’t wait for ‘Silent Hill 2: Homecoming’
That's exactly what this will be.
Funny how people complained about Homecoming's combat looking so agile, but then in SH2 remake they made the protagonist less agile in their animation and they still complains lmao
@@jonissues1914and even then Homecoming’s combat wasn’t even that bad, it’s overhated
@@jonissues1914 i thought the complain was that SH shouldnt be a combat focus game period
Speak for yoursefl, that shit fucking sucks@@jonathan-si8xd
The reason why they focused on combat in the trailer is because a lot of people have been critical of the studio's lack of combat in previous games they have made. It's basically them showing their critics they were wrong. I also would say weapon durability was in the PSP version of Silent Hill and was a bit disappointing. If they add anything to the game, it would need to be added as a post new game mode imo.
With garbage aah combat mechanics
I think there's merit to that argument, but was that the right thing to do at the present moment for this game? And was what they showed us the best they could provide?
Boys boys, you're both pretty
@@milkbiscuit166no no good sir, one is definitely prettier than the other
Tis max derrat
6:12 putting that scene over what you just said was just perfect. XD
Back in the days, Resident Evil and Silent Hill pretty much had similar combat. Both were fixed camera and tank controls, stand, aim and shoot kinda deal. It's only natural that they'd make it more fluid, just like Resident Evil did. It's up to the Level Designers to make the maps feel cramped and oppressive around that playstyle, and I hope they can pull it off!
nah re enemies were harder and actually had bosses, sh games were def easier but had more atmosphere and dodging wasnt a thing
@@cdeo4l668 Silent Hill 1 had dodging mechanic. Also, what no one brings up a lot of the time, with Silent Hill's combat, is that it was much easier and more "actiony" than RE originally. Because you could move while shooting (though slowly), and your character automatically aimed at whatever was closest. Meaning you could still get out of the way and somewhat kite enemies, rather than having to stand still, and drop your attack to reposition yourself. The combat of silent hill were never the scariest parts of silent hill. Hell, the fact that you can melee 90% of the game, the enemies were never that much of a threat. Except those stun locking anteaters in 3, but those were definitely more annoying than scary.
@@cdeo4l668 What @Lycanboy said, the dodge mechanics were not implemented until Resi 3, Resi 1 and 2 didn't have dodging until the remakes, as far as I recall.
@@Badguy292 also in Silent Hill 2 and 3 you can block attacks. This is extremely usefull in one of the bosses of SH3
@@Badguy292 oh then mb😂i only played remake and original re2 with rebirth mod on and didn’t know it added that mechanic🤦♂️
The gameplay trailer pretty much showed off what I was expecting, and I'm totally fine with that. What concerns me is not the SH2R trailer, but the Short Message. Not that it was bad, but just so on the nose, no sublety at all. I'm afraid that the new way forward is just 'trauma xyz' and 'facing your demons'. Silent Hill should be more than just a vague synopsis of SH2. I really want to see what townfall and f are going to be.
Well, sh2 will be exactly that
Short Message was intended for a younger audience. I’m sure if it. Though, they nailed the atmosphere, and enemy design.
@@WhatzitT00ya maybe, cause they dont have any sense of good and subtle writing
It was a short game, with only a limited amount of time to get the message across; while that isn't exactly a good excuse forth ein your face "suicide and social media BAD", I still can appreciate the attempt that was made... but coming from Konami, we could have expected a little bit more. "Show, don't tell" is a far better conveyer of plot than the CONSTANT talking and really obnoxious FEV cut scenes.
It seems that all of the SH projects apart from this remake are Silent Hill in name only.
Konami wants to profit off the SH name without making anything close to a real Silent Hill because it has little mass appeal in this day and age. So they make generic psychological horror games, slap the name Silent Hill on them and call it a day. I can guarantee that f and Townfall will be more of this.
They really need to make James' back a lot darker in close segments
Kinda hard to keep the claustrophobic feel while updateing the game for contemporary audiences, part of the feeling was the controls combat and camera.
But if they go the route you've suggested (limited ammo and weapon durability) they'll get a similar feel, that's kinda how RE2remake felt on the first play through until you start unlocking the bonus weapons
Yeah having durability on weapons could be a good idea. Thinking about determining wether you should use up the ammo to take out enemies quicker or using a melee weapon to temporarily stave off using up resources but in order for this to work they need to limit the amount of melee weapons you could find.
No its not hard just needs time effort and talent.
They turned it into Resident Evil 2make, they could have done anything, but they made it yet another 3rd person, over the shoulder product.
I am just glad this team will never touch SH4. The game most in need of a remake to clean up the second half of the game.
I'm disappointed they haven't created a shader for the Jacobs ladder blur effect. I feel like it's sorely missing and surely it was something they should do
Make it themselves? Ha.. no. They just couldn't find any good ones on the Unreal Engine marketplace....
Bloober Team and Konami needs to watch this, as an avid silent hill fan, i stand by all you said, and I think it should represent what we all feel about this newest trailer
its plenty to just say "boo you suck at everything you do"
How I'd go for melee in SH2, with that kinda angle:
Every enemy has a stagger bar (invisible, of course). When you smack them, that bar fills up, and when it fills up, the enemy gets briefly staggered like we see in the trailer, letting you move out of the way. However, once an enemy is staggered their bar resets, and they gain resistance to stagger AND melee damage, though the resistance to melee is cancelled if they get knocked down. I feel like that will make melee into an unreliable spacing tool that you use to set up fights. Add to that a random modifier to stagger that every individual enemy applies so you might run into enemies where staggering them is not a possibility without getting hit yourself and it SHOULD make melee combat appropriately sticky and unpleasant.
Also while we're here I would love it if aiming REALLY narrows down your FOV to make it oppressive AND match someone who has no firearms training. I know I would aim down sights, one eye closed if I were to shoot and I've never even SEEN a gun IRL (thank god, I live in a more civilized part of the world).
These all sound like good aspects to include into the game and would help in keeping it in-line with how it was in the original (in terms of being slow, heavy and a inexperienced protaganist) but I wouldn't keep your hopes up high on this one considering it's Bloober Team. They have very little (if at all) experience in making combat with their previous games. I myself, would be pleasantly surprised if they incorporate something even remotely close to what you suggested. Only time will tell
@@Spooka-Rubi oh I have no hopes. I just like to come up with a solution for a problem I see. It's a good exercise, I think.
What they should be remaking was the first Silent Hill.
I think they should do a silent hill 3 remake
In my headcanon, the lying figure was always glossy. Like it was just birthed from some hellish womb and immediately started shambling throug silent hill still covered in membranes and fluids and stuff.
I always thought it was supposed to resemble a body bag but made out of stretched flesh instead
@@mywifeisdead4826 i like how, because of the graphical limitation, we all kind of filled in the blanks with our own imagination and created our own monsters
The lying figure is still kinda based on a mannequin which is why it has that porcelain look similar to scarlet
Masahiro Ito actually stated that he wanted their skin to look like a condom about to burst and have it pop when you killed them but the PS2 wouldn't allow it with the particle effects of the splatter on death. They were always glossy/supposed to be glossy/wet but not necessarily clean looking.
I think that's a cool idea, but I don't think that the lying figure we see in this trailer is representative of that. But clearly some people disagree with me, and that's cool.
The originals combat made me question whether or not I even wanted to engage with an enemy because of clunky the controls were, which sort of added to the tension. But I couldn't see them release this game again with the same combat in 2024/25, I just don't think it would go over well with a newer audience. I'm hoping it feels and plays more like The Last of Us just with the sluggish weighty gun handling and limited recourses like you said
This. The fixed camera combined with the clunky controls added more to the atmosphere of the game.
By removing fixed cameras and giving a player this much control removes a lot of the tension because the game becomes easy. Like I was challenged in Resident Evil 2 and 3 for Playstation 2 more than I was challenged in RE4 for GameCube because RE4 just gave me too much control. It allowed my creativity to flourish and thus enemies ended up getting wrecked.
I had a similar response in Silent Hill 4 the room. It was easy.
Oh god please not TLOU
@@TallicaMan1986SH4 was hard at, both because its controls were much worse than the previous 3 and due to the ghosts. I'm not even talking about 8 bullets taking an inventory slot...
@@Speed4Runs bullet sponges don't make a game hard atleast in my case.
the thing is, if you see someone new playing the OG game nowadays, they laugh at the clunky combat and takes them out of the inmersion, sadly that clunky and unresponsive combat is dated and for me it is just spam the bonk button near an enemy until is dead, it doesnt add tension, it is easy and it looks even comedic.
I'm surprised you didn't mention the quicktime event, mash x to escape!
My suspicion is that this trailer was actually made a while ago, or it has older/outdated in-game footage mixed with some newer stuff. You can see slight detail changes. The blood coming from monsters looks very fake in a few shots, and more realistic in others. The shot of James using the shotgun looks like it could be an older version of his model.
When pressed about more info about the game, Bloober Team have mentioned that it was entirely Konami's decision to release more to the public. So I'm hoping that it's just the case of Konami has been sitting on this trailer (and possibly more) for some time and just made a poor decision to release this one instead of newer/improved gameplay footage.
I'm still willing to give Bloober Team the benefit of the doubt. It's too early to praise or condemn this game. Visually and aesthetically, it looks incredible.
They have to show the combat right away because now they have time to make changes. Also, is good that developers show gameplay instead of hiding it until last minute.
7:10 to be honest im glad they showed us that trailer for two reasons the first is everyone was so worried about the gameplay and wanted to see it
and the second thing is by showing us this trailer they will get so many feedbacks and they will realise that this gameplay is not acceptable and needs to be polished more and i also think its a good thing and also a disappointed thing that the game is still under development and dosen't have a release date
If you are in development space, you will know testing take at least 3 times the effort than development. when someone tell you its technically done, it means it is a messy product still not working, full of bugs and still waiting for testing and user feedback.
So let them take their time and polish their work.
Besides I dont understand what are the concern of fitting the game into modern gameplay style? Remember when RE2 annouce their remake, fans are upset about it being action focus, its not fix camera angle, but turns out everyone love the end product.
For your first point yes testing should be a rigorous considering the buggy releases we've getting recently
For your second point I dont think everyone praised re2 remake I have a few friends who are hardcore RE fans who to this day complain about the game having a more action styled combat even though they've huge number of hours in the remake😂
Small note about melee durability, I noticed the nurse at 5:45 drops the pipe she was holding when killed. To me it kinda looks like it changes state when it leaves her hand as if it becomes an object you can interact with. Also if you look closely at the other nurses, their weapons don't seems to line up perfectly with their models (specifically the knife) which might suggest the weapons are attached modularly rather than tied to the model.
I felt like the apartment hallway wasnt dark enough.
Idk about everyone else but i could do without the moonlight shining through the window and just have a completely dark hallway.
I also hope they keep the hospital rooftop the same. Where there wasn't any back ground to be seen just pitch black with no noise. To give that feeling that you are in some forgotten pocket dimension.
maybe instead of just a black sky it could be a scene of the endless sea of fog with structures of rusted metal and rotting concrete sticking out under a starless sky to show the player how silent hill look's in the other world.
Well with the apartment hallway it's still daylight outside, so It's just a small amount of light shining through some of the boarded up windows
@@Spyder1246 yeah but in the original there was none it was completely dark
Would love to hear your take on the Polish game Darkwood.
That will come someday. I promise.
@@maxderrat You gotta pinky promise it, bro. No messing around here.
And Get Even
:extends pinky:
@@maxderrat It's official, boys! Max pinky promised.
Seeing this trailer I expected to hear Sean Bean yelling "Rose!"
That's how little it FEELS like Silent Hill 2, but I will give it a try when it's done as it could take personally playing it in full to get the feel of it
As a silent hill fan even though the combat style is drastically different i do think its a good idea, in my eyes I feel as though it is good for people who are new to the series and wouldn't understand it, it feels like its just trying to fit how updated games are in modern times now. Also just hoping it generates new fans to the series so we can have more FOG content.
The combat style is not sh style but re style
Love your stuff Max, keep it up man.
Max I cannot stress enough how refreshing it is to hear your opinion on this. In an OVERWHELMING sea of negativity directed at current Silent Hill news, it is a breath of fresh air to hear your opinion, and that you have a balanced, and encompassing opinion of both the good and the bad. You're one of my favorite UA-camrs and your previous videos on Silent Hill had me looking forward to your take on the new trailer.
I was so exhausted of seeing the same old "this is going to be terrible" regurgitated comments, instead of taking both good and bad from the trailer for a game that doesn't even have a release date. I feel cautious optimism is exactly what the Silent Hill Community needs, instead of giving up.
Always a pleasure to watch your videos.
Its okay to be negative.
yes, lets give konami and bloober team some postives, cause you know, they can do better. f. off with that.
the negetivity pool is justified. its good that people bash on it like no tommorow. cautious optimism is such a naive way of thinking if you only have bad products and bad companies
@@Exel3nce "Waaa! I hate seeing people excited for a game by [Insert Company]! How dare you show any positivity for this game that I very much hate!"
On the release date comments; often higher ups and marketing are completely disconnected. The team might have said they are almost done with one specific thing, and then that was twisted into "It's almost done!"
I remember NightDive saying almost 2 years before release that System Shock Remake was "almost done" and I could never find the origination of that quote, but I could find a lot of articles saying "It's done. They're just in the polishing stage now."
Given SSR had a lot of issues...one of which being a delayed release to find a publisher to simultaneously release on systems outside of PC, which was not part of the original Kickstarter.
Hey max the live stream for silent hill the short message says it's private when I try to access it but when I got on it when it began it let me watch. Did you make it private or is it a problem on my end
I feel like we would be a lot more hopeful if it wasn’t Konami’s hands in it. 😅
Honestly let it stay in development as long as it needs. What’s the quote, a released early is bad but game in development is good eventually?
You're damned right.
isn't it in bloopers hand's, which people have a problem with that but my response now is that they have taken massive inspiration from sh so they are fan's, so in the end i think we'll be able to quote civvie and say it's heart was in the right place given they probably want to do it justice.
James straight up looks like Leon from that 3rd person view 😂
One thing I did like is the crunchy sound effect with snappy anim for the bolt rifle.
If the resources are very limited then that can increase scare factors. I notice some of the blood on them is black. Different colors of blood are on option in the original.
Looking forward to the new Akira Yamaoka music at least
The only part of this game I expect to be any good, tbf
hell yeah, he never fails to deliver
Honestly. I don't mind a combat Overhaul. Yes you can say that with less combat options make its more scary. I say that alot of the ps1/ps2 generation of horror games (gameplay wise) did not age well
Thank you
especially SH combat/gameplay did not age well, those games play like crap.
The combat has me more concerned with the player animations, the particle physics, the impact of weapons on the body, etc. So far, it looks goofy as fuck just like the old games and RE's soulless remakes.
What games do you think have aged well?
Yeah, that's a reason I didn't play Silent Hill games to this day, despite looking plot wise and atmospheric wise like something perfect for me. I'm gonna be controversial, but I genuinely think that Resident Evil 6 was the first good RE game gameplay wise (RE5 would be first if the dead of AI companion didn't mean game over). And Silent Hill games look even worse than old RE games, so I really am torn between giving SH a chance and not.
I once dreamed back in the y2ks that I was playing a weird Silent Hill 2 where James would get startled by some monsters randomly (not always) and the controls just stopped working for like .5 seconds, which I thought was a great idea back then, haha
Great video, I still play OG Silent Hill on my Ps1, and loved the look of SH short message, might give it a try as well.
Thank god you are giving an honest opinion. People are panicking way too hard. Especially since we don’t have a release date.
A few important things to note:
The monsters look to run from the light in the trailer, James face looks to have been smoothed out. People have a bad taste from home coming
Can you blame them? 0+0=0
Which is stupid because Homecoming was a totally different game. It kinda was doomed to suck because of its huge connections to the film. While the film itself wasn't bad by any means, Homecoming took a lot of things from it that weren't really fitting. I'm talking mostly about Pyramid Head and sexy nurses that never should have their place in this game, considering that they were monsters exclusively visible for James. Homecoming not only was too much of a fan-service but also seemed like the developers wanted to make this game more for the fans of the film, not for the fans of SH games. Now SH2 remake is free of those things as it's meant to tell the story we know in a much more modern gameplay and graphics. They don't have to shoehorn anything here.
I am massive RE fan, but I never played Silent Hill so naturaly I am looking forward to playing remake of Silent Hill 2. But the Combat looks well...bad, but perhaps it is still not finished and they can work on it.😊
if you play sh2 from a shitty dev first, you are doing something wrong
I wouldn't say that the combat and the sound design are a problem in this game. As you mentioned in the video, those aspects can be adjusted to what we, the fans, want.
My concern is about how was the game presented on the trailer. If you search the original trailer of Silent Hill 2 (2001) you see the very identity of what SH2 was. It wasn't about just monsters chasing the player and them shooting them back; The characters were presented in such a way the topics of melancholy, depression, paranoid and solitude were shown to be important even when the genre of this game was horror.
Then we got the remake trailer, and it felt just like one of those videos of "Silent Hill remake using UE5" made by an enthusiast. It's one of those things that if the game had another name instead of SH2 nobody will hate it, but since it has now will have to respond to the expectations of the fans.
Informative as always.
Something I noticed that made me think the combat has potential was how there doesn’t seem to be any aim sight on the weapons. This could make combat more engaging, thought provoking, and also add elements of fear. You can’t simply aim down halls and pick apart enemies like most horror games do, without the aim sight it creates more tension.
You don't have to say aim sights, they're just sights.
@@user-il9ze9py8c this is true
have you ever heard of tank controlls? thats the reason why the new horror games are not scary
I was thinking the same and haven't really seen a lot of people picking up on this. If there are no sights you either end up wasting bullets trying to pick the enemies off from a distance or you let them get closer to you but then risk getting attacked. It might work.
Not having a dot on the screen doesn’t make aiming a gun harder
I love the weird papery look they gave the nurses
Your assessment of the SH2 Remake combat trailer is spot on, Max. As is often the case, you've articulated my thoughts on this better than I could've. I'm personally optimistic about the game, but that's factoring in a bit of distance between the uncertainty of this remake and the greatness of the original title -- like when your favorite band puts out a new album with a new sound, it might still be a wonderful listen in isolation, but it'll never hold a candle to their breakthrough LP. As a horror game, SH2 remake will probably be a standout -- in comparison to the original, well, that's another question entirely.
Judging from the trailer, avoiding RE-esque combat is close to impossible without changing the entire system. Instead, for guns, they could play upon his original lack of combat prowess by removing any reticles from ADS and add a slight delay between arm movement and camera movement. That way guns would have comparable limitations to melee, where they allow combat at a distance with a permanent weapon but with a good chance of wasting ammo (unless you're a crack shot).
1:15 gosh those bugged reflections... I hope they fix them, along with the ketchup nurse blood and that very aliased and overlit green fluid (?) they leak
It's Unreal Engine, which has always struggled with mirrors. I don't think Bloober will be able to fix what so many studios are unable to do.
@@12ealDealOfficial I think I found the culprit though, and it's a light on the bottom of the screen. It's a random flare that is there for no reason, and the fsr reflect it
If there's a game that could benefit from RT, it's SH... Why won't they implement it?
Finally, an optimistic but concerned perspective on the combat trailer and just overall the remake rather than automatically hating on every single aspect of it. Some things definitely need to be polished more for sure, but I don't think this remake is looking anywhere near where a lot of the SH community constantly keeps complaining about. I get Konami hasn't treated the franchise well over the past decade but damn at this point it's like no matter what happens with the Silent Hill franchise, the community is just going to keep on complaining and nitpicking and it gets irritating to hear/deal with.
Great video! Felt like a breath of fresh air to finally hear more of positives that SH2 Remake is showcasing rather than focusing on all the negatives and just jumping aboard the hate train. Definitely not expecting RE remake quality but I'm still looking forward to this release when it drops.
If I could fix something about silent hill 2 is the transition off maria to mary, the way the original did was kind off sloopy. I mean, the dialogue is just.... "you could be her twin, just you hair and clothes are diferent" What!? that's just stupid, it's cartoon logic. I would present mary more at the beggining so we have a better reference of character, personality and looks, and then when we see maria first she looks kind of like her to at least be a little bit confusing (of course for the newcomers) but as the game progresses maria keeps changing to look more similar to mary and keep the players questioning what is happening, and then just do the complete change when the time is apropiate, like in Vertigo, wich I wouldn't doubt that was an influence to the maria/mary character. It wouldn't be surprising to us but at least the new players will be more pleasently surprised, because I remember when I first played the original it was so obvious, they don't hide it well, it was really a mistake, and now they have the opportunity to fix it... I doubt it, but we'll see.
Presenting Mary more at the begginig defeats the purpose, she's an afterthough for the player, just a bare photo is enough
@@TYR1139 I get what you are saying, at least at the beggining she has to be an afterthough, but she is not an aftertough overall, she is the whole reason of the game. Besides showing mary before maria would set a radical diference between the 2, because really, we don't know nothing about mary until we see maria fliping between mary and then maria again, so it we saw her before, just a little bit, not that much, it would put more intrige to what's happeing (for the newcomers)
And if you ask me how would I introduce mary for the beggining, I'll probably put it maybe as a flashback (I'm just trowhing ideas here, it doesn't have to be like that) In the appartments a cutscene could be triggered when james enters in a room and is the room of the mary dress and we see james notice the dress, thus bringing memories back of mary using the dress, showing her personality to see a good insight of who she is or something like that, and then the cutscene ends in front of the dress in a shot that locks you in, so you have no option other than to take the flashlight and get the jumpscare, that would be a more effective jumpscare after the cutscene, because I remember the first time I played the game I saw the manequins behind the dress and I didn't get surprised by the jumpscare, because I am a player that investigates everything before doing what the game wants me to do, so I don't get the intended surprise if the game is not designed around that.
I get the sounds and animations are the things people have the buggest issues with... Cause same... But can we talk about why he doesn't look like a withered man in game like he did in the reveal trailer? He looks like he's 15 fucking years younger when he was moving around in game...
Good
I think it's because the last trailer was pre-rendered, probably done in-engine of course, but probably not indictive of the final product (the combat trailer is probably closer).
James was originally 29 so I would love it if he wasn't inexplicably a withered old man now lol
@@ExtraQuestionableContent But I read they aged him up into his late 30s/early 40s from being 29? It just seems so jarring and odd he looks so young you know?
@@anarche4900tf is this comment?
it looks absolutely fine, so idk why the whole subreddit is so negative. i guess its because everything hinges on this remake and they want everything to be perfect due to its cult status and worship.
honestly, they should have just remade the 1st game, less problmes
I don't understand why they didn't remake the first game back in 2002 when the RE remake came out. Just Konami being Konami, I suppose.
And that's the reasons no one remade movies like The Godfather or Pulp Fiction. Just to name some very influencial movies. These are considerated cult classics. Of course they have a huge emotional fanbase. You will find the same in the segment of videogames. Silent Hill 2 is a cult classic just like these movies. It didn't even sold that well during the time of it's release but like Blade Runner did as a movie, it gained a huge cult after release. People want this to be great and that's the most dangerous part in attempting to remake such a beast, especially when it is created by a studio with a questionable track record. Konami is aware of the popularity of Silent Hill 2. They are going all-in here and delivering a movie based on the original next to the Remake. Remaking the first game (again) never was a real option I think. It's just too bad they never re-released the first game. They could easily let it remaster by M2.
Exactly. So many out of touch complaints like "it looks like RE". It was clear from the beginning it was going to have over the shoulder shooting you know. Or that "it has too much combat", wake the fuck up people, that trailer is edited, we have no way to know that yet.
I personally felt the graphics of James and animations were ps3 era, but the background looked good with fog.
Game looks like a ps3 game to me, but tbf its not even close to be finished (i mean there's not even a release window ffs) so im not saying thats a sign the game willl be crap just yet.
I enjoy how everything looks. I’m sure the combat will be fine. And I hope the reason they didn’t put out a release date is because they are looking at feedback and may change a few things last minute so they put out the best possible product. I think they know how important this is to us fans.
I believe adding an option for users to adjust fog intensity would greatly enhance the user experience and gameplay. It would also help recreate the mysterious aura present in games like Silent Hill, making it more intriguing for players.
the original Silent Hill 2 E3 showcase was combat focused
I adored SH2 on my ps2 growing up and im so excited for this remake but... this trailer is kind of worrying. I still hold out hope they can turn things around before release
I know it's two different games but the combat of the Evil within 2 is something that I would like in Silent Hill 2 remake, the enemies were punishing in that game and the resources were super limited. So yeah, that's my two cents on that matter.
I hope they're taking this time to to listen to us and to polish well the game
Thank you so much for reviewing the trailer with common sense instead of instant hate just because it is not like the original or nitpicks about the animations, my concerns and positive points were the exact same as yours. We just have to wait and see.
My hopes died with this Trailer , but then Kojima dropped the Bomb
Kojima being the GOAT.
What did Kojima do??
@@anvy1231 New Death Stranding 2 Trailer
@@skinnymarauder333 I have not checked it out yet. Now you got me excited although I’ve never played the first one.
@@anvy1231 I highly recommend it, it's one of my top five favorites. If you like anything Kojima, you'll love it.
I think if the reason we don’t have a release date is for adjustments based on reception, that’s an absolutely great thing for the game, meaning it can be polished for release
Combat doesn’t look very impact heavy or strong, I am hoping it’s implying that we’re going to be rather weak against monsters, which could be great for the claustrophobic horror vibe mentioned
My biggest concern is the QTE. The combat could be something like SH Origins
James is not a fighter though, he's an average man that's what makes it more scary.
Origin game play style same the original not sh4 style plus James isn't strong as travel for fighting if all the heroes can do what others can do it will be silly , plus I found RE4 style will downgrade the horror in silent hill if everyone going to say dead space is scary and it's RE4 style because DS was made to be like this
@@evilcrashbandicootthetouho2753 I agree, if it was something like a level up system for him to get good like that by the end and then new game plus you can play as a bad ass him, then I could tolerate that, but not him coming out the get go swinging like Leon, that's bad etiquette.
What I like about the combat system is this. There is no Crosshair. We aren't accurate with our gun, we aren't proficient, we are pointing it in their direction and hoping we land it. There is no HUD, no health bar, no nothing. Just you and the environment.
The third-person camera makes combat situations more panic-inducing since we don't have that full-room view anymore like in the original.
Audio and Melee combat can always be fixed to give James more oomph but all in all, this looks very promising. Shame we didn't get a release date but I can always play other games in the meantime. Very good take from you and I hope you have a lovely day.
They might have disabled it for the trailer.
5:27 No! No, no, no, no, no! For the Love of Christ, no weapon degradation! What the hell are you thinking?!
Hey Matt, I wanted to ask: are there any mythology and symbology references in Jujutsu Kaisen? Enough for it to be a full-length video analysis?
Oh, Max, you've seen nothing yet. Get ready to be REALLY disappointed with Silent Hill: The Short Messages.
Tumblr Hills: (Not so) Silent Trauma
I really liked it personally. The writing could be better though.
It's an ok experience even for a short game, plus it's free
The way he swings that bat reminds me of Calisto protocol lol
same
god
It reminded me a bit of Joel in The Last of Us (at least the 2013 version, Idk how it looks on the "remake")
Say what you will about the Callisto combat mechanics, but just the baton swinging animations themselves looked fantastic. I don't know why it looks so janky in this game by comparison, did they not use a real life person for mocap or something?
@@anavitoriafarion2621your right
In addition, James looks very clean, no sweat, dirt, broken clothes... etc
id love to see multiple camera options, the third person perspective is a breath of fresh air and im "partially" excited for it, but it would be awesome of them to include the original sh2 camera angles
The problem with the trailer is that I've kept my expectations quite low, and it didn't surpass those expectations.
One of my nitpicks is the over-the-shoulder camera. One of the biggest reasons that the SH series, at least up to 3, was that the camera being fixed in certain areas left you to wonder, i.e. the scene with the dead body in the chair. Because your camera is locked into that position, you can't fully see the model. In other areas, like entering a room with the camera facing you made it unsettling. The game doesn't want to introduce you to the room, it wants you to do that yourself. Another thing is that it really adds to the feeling of claustrophobia; having to maneuver your camera in a tight hallway or a small room while there's enemies around makes you panic. And it also makes it feel like you're being watched is some angles; having the camera angled above or below you, or outside the door of a room you're in. I will say that, of course I understand that they want to keep the horror while also removing the clunky-ness of the original. Having the camera maneuver like the original would be strange for a more modern version.
Obviously this is just my own opinion, but I wonder if anyone else feels the same way?
First mod that’s going to be made for this game is a cinematic camera mode mimicking the original. Only changing to an over the shoulder camera when taking aim.
There are some things worrying like sound design with how important it is in the original but the trailer did say in development so there is still hope
Probably just me but as a Silent Hill newbie I'm still excited for Silent Hill 2 no matter what and am anticipated for it's release. Also no spoilers for those who haven't seen it yet but I got done playing Silent Hill The Short Message and I absolutely loved it and for my first SH experience I think it was such a treat to play
I would highly recommend playing the first four entries if you can get ahold of them. Admittedly, that’s a pretty big “if” though.
Sadly, The Short Message is not a "Silent Hill experience". It has barely any common grounds with the series :/
@@azertyuiopqsdfghjklm Agreed. I appreciate that the game was free, but it honestly ranks near the bottom of the series for me.
Just play the original
Then I would recommend you to play them quick, to see what nonsense they are doing.
Plus, whats there to love about short message? It was boredom portrait as a game
This feels like it’ll be my introduction like resident evil 2 remake but for silent hill which is funny since it’s also the second of the series and also remade
They needed to look on E3 2001 trailer and do it like that. That trailer had combat, but the story beats and huge scenes, too.
Thank you! I was thinking I am losing my mind. I posted the exact same concern on most of the popular Silent Hill Fan groups yesterday and I got accused of Gatekeeping and how truly amazing according to those folks a RE Remake style game would be. I am sorry but I will not enjoy Silent Hill Homecoming 4K - The Mercenaries edition and this was exactly what this trailer was... At least the other product ended up being something slightly more positive even though at times I felt like I am playing a Life is Strange game and not a SH title. Still it was completely free, available instantly and didn't suck as much as I thought it would be and hey THERE WE NO MICRO-TRANSACTIONS!! what a breath of fresh air that was...
Ironically those groups are gatekeeping criticism in general. They're now saying anyone who criticizes this game never played the original, which is so ridiculous.
@@DementedView I feel like they are now full of bunch of teens that didn’t grew up on this franchise and only got hyped up about it on the basis of the RE remakes and the recent trend of SH games exploding in prices and attracting a bunch of new elitists that are out of touch with the formula behind the original games.
At this point, it’s rebellious to go back to fixed camera angles. I’d be all for it.
I like that’s theirs no release date so they can take their time, feels like the game in general needs to be way louder, having it be super quiet with super loud guns could add to atmosphere.
I'm sure with the lighting, that we'll be able to go into the settings and darken it a bit
Combat is such a tiny fraction of the whole of SH2 that having a more action focused combat system doesn't actually bother me all that much, as long as they don't turn the whole thing into Silent Gears of Hill War, it should be fine.
And the sound and graphical problems are most likely due to the game being unfinished. "Technically ready" most likely means it can be played from start to finish, but not neccessarily that it's a complete and polished experiance. It's worth noting that Bloober Team is a Polish studio, so English isn't their first language.
These days people criticize even trailers...and what is the point for releasing a trailer of a game still in development? Are they going to do something about what people dislike? Bend the development according to consumers expectations? Please fan base? Compromise the final product?...long live the original silent team...
It was only concerning because of the fighting clunk. I noticed 3 new things: the wardrobe with hands as handles, enemies sidestep now and also enemies can “grab” you and you gotta kick out. I’m so excited! I LOVE the new soundtrack tho!