An important point that needs to be considered: Just because the Niche doesn't come with bellows, that doesn't mean that it's a "zero retention" system. Both Lance Hedrick and Jack from My Coffee Show did tests where they use third-party bellows on the Niche. Both got quite a bit of fines out. I urge you to try it yourself, as the Niche could definitely use some bellows to help it purge the fines, especially those stuck in from static.
Yeah I tested it as well and found that it was more consistent with bellows. I stopped using mine on a regular basis because I have another grinder but also because it took time to weigh my dose in and weigh the dose coming out and adjusting my dose accordingly. The bellows definitely needed to be there.
Agree, I constantly get .2g falling through once the static drops. Always the next day for me. Thinking you could spray them beans, but honestly its insignificant and not enough to worry about in anycase.
Niche conical grinder like others hi-end brand found in lower RPM will produce more body and clarity. I have both grinders and honestly they are very different, Niche = More chocolate, nuts and silky texture and DF is more separation of flavors and clarity (if you like to pour over this is your option).
Niche definitely wins in the grinding noise department. Workflow is also nicer maybe but DF83 isn't bad either workflow wise and is more versatile if you want to grind into the portafilter you can without any mods (not so with the niche zero). Having a bellows may not necessarily be a PRO but not sure if the DF83 really needs it. I'll test using mine without it as I believe it's better to not have to resort to using a bellows for a few reasons. I thought they're both very similar in taste profile but the df83 generally seems smoother and more pleasant with just a little more flavour clarity but also a little less body, but pretty close.
Thanks for the comparison video, though somewhat apples and oranges with flat v conical burrs. I Would love to see a comparison of the two conical burr grinders; the sette 270 W.i and the niche.
I don't think it is as apples and oranges as people really think. I thought they're both very similar and taste profile but the df83 generally seems smoother and more pleasant with just a little more flavour clarity but also a little less body.
The 270 w.i, which I have had for 2 years now, is a jet engine in comparison to the Niche. It's loud, can't grind fine enough for anything other than aerorpess or a VERY FINE v60 recipe. If you can afford the budget increase, and definitely want a conical, then I'd get a Niche every single time.
@@patrickhopkins5626lots of people use Settes for espresso or aeropress if yours wasn't grinding fine enough it seems like there's an issue. I believe that grinder needed shims or something to fix that issue. It might be 'normal' but yeah, not ideal.
@Bens Coffee Rants I own a sette also. There are two shims included in the box...check on youtube for installation. I've installed it, and no problem with fine grinds. (But I am here coz I tried an ek43 and convinced I want a flat burr upgrade lol)
They are sooo close. Really do like the DF83 and right now that's what I would pick. Haven't had it for long tho, and still want to play with changing out the blades..
Love the idea of 83mm blades fast grinding along with what looks like a great well built grinder but love the texture and body the niche gives.... im torn🤯
@@anthonybotonis5841 You have to order the niche online directly from them. You have to pay in GBP (499) and it wont arrive here in Aus until December ( according the the website!) If you look on the coffee parts website the price for the other is up there (I haven’t looked yet!)
@@CoffeePartsTV goooood job And awesome channel .. perfect 👍 I wanna buy two grinders .. what do u recommend the perfect combo with espresso and filter Niche and df64 ? Or Niche and df83 ? Cz i wiil buy two of those choices this week
You cant make a video about grinders when your puck prep is worst their is, at least give it a tap or something straight tamping is the worst thing you can do. other then that great video
Niche is CONICAL though to me there is absolutely no comparison .... to compare something that is the largest FLAT BURRS ... flat being so different in general at 54...64.... let alone 83.... to a CONICAL grinder. .. lol weird
Love your videos, but every time you tamp without leveling the coffee first I can't help but cringe.
Also, I wouldn't call that exactly a tamp.
@@drazenbabich or exactly a bellow, or exactly a proper dosing. No retention confirmation. Good salesman though.
@@FPVSPRO He must be doing at least something right, surely? ;-)
An important point that needs to be considered: Just because the Niche doesn't come with bellows, that doesn't mean that it's a "zero retention" system.
Both Lance Hedrick and Jack from My Coffee Show did tests where they use third-party bellows on the Niche. Both got quite a bit of fines out. I urge you to try it yourself, as the Niche could definitely use some bellows to help it purge the fines, especially those stuck in from static.
Yeah I tested it as well and found that it was more consistent with bellows. I stopped using mine on a regular basis because I have another grinder but also because it took time to weigh my dose in and weigh the dose coming out and adjusting my dose accordingly. The bellows definitely needed to be there.
Agree, I constantly get .2g falling through once the static drops. Always the next day for me. Thinking you could spray them beans, but honestly its insignificant and not enough to worry about in anycase.
Niche conical grinder like others hi-end brand found in lower RPM will produce more body and clarity. I have both grinders and honestly they are very different, Niche = More chocolate, nuts and silky texture and DF is more separation of flavors and clarity (if you like to pour over this is your option).
Niche definitely wins in the grinding noise department. Workflow is also nicer maybe but DF83 isn't bad either workflow wise and is more versatile if you want to grind into the portafilter you can without any mods (not so with the niche zero).
Having a bellows may not necessarily be a PRO but not sure if the DF83 really needs it. I'll test using mine without it as I believe it's better to not have to resort to using a bellows for a few reasons.
I thought they're both very similar in taste profile but the df83 generally seems smoother and more pleasant with just a little more flavour clarity but also a little less body, but pretty close.
Niche comes with driver to remove the center bolt and a brush.
Thanks for the comparison video, though somewhat apples and oranges with flat v conical burrs. I Would love to see a comparison of the two conical burr grinders; the sette 270 W.i and the niche.
I don't think it is as apples and oranges as people really think. I thought they're both very similar and taste profile but the df83 generally seems smoother and more pleasant with just a little more flavour clarity but also a little less body.
I'll add it to the list :) Own both machines so not a hard video to do..
The 270 w.i, which I have had for 2 years now, is a jet engine in comparison to the Niche. It's loud, can't grind fine enough for anything other than aerorpess or a VERY FINE v60 recipe. If you can afford the budget increase, and definitely want a conical, then I'd get a Niche every single time.
@@patrickhopkins5626lots of people use Settes for espresso or aeropress if yours wasn't grinding fine enough it seems like there's an issue. I believe that grinder needed shims or something to fix that issue. It might be 'normal' but yeah, not ideal.
@Bens Coffee Rants I own a sette also. There are two shims included in the box...check on youtube for installation. I've installed it, and no problem with fine grinds. (But I am here coz I tried an ek43 and convinced I want a flat burr upgrade lol)
It should be pointed out that the Niche is 2/3 the price (landed in Aus) of the DF83 (if you purchase directly from the UK)
There’ll never be a grinder as popular as the Niche Zero once was
I was really hoping you’d determine a clear winner 😂 thanks for all the great content!
They are sooo close. Really do like the DF83 and right now that's what I would pick.
Haven't had it for long tho, and still want to play with changing out the blades..
It would be nice to see a closer look into the machines and dials.
Similarities, they grind coffee, they use AC for power.
1:00 what does no need to purge mean?
Pushing out the beans in the chamber
Wdt mate ...
You will never kill the niche. It’s like rock n roll forever. Df83 good now but chineasium crap out later.
Love the idea of 83mm blades fast grinding along with what looks like a great well built grinder but love the texture and body the niche gives.... im torn🤯
Flip a coin?!! lol in reality both awesome grinders and both will bring smiles to the coffee moment.
Can i get a price for both grinders. I understand might not yet be available or wait times on the niche but a ball park?
@@anthonybotonis5841 You have to order the niche online directly from them. You have to pay in GBP (499) and it wont arrive here in Aus until December ( according the the website!)
If you look on the coffee parts website the price for the other is up there (I haven’t looked yet!)
Conical v Flat….why not both 😊
I'm with you! Best of both worlds always 👌
I thinking the same. As long as I can taste the difference.
👍👍
Great video! Up next, blade VS. Burr grinders.
just don't use a blade chopper.
Awesome review
Greetings from Egypt
Thanks for the kind words and watching :)
@@CoffeePartsTV goooood job
And awesome channel .. perfect 👍
I wanna buy two grinders .. what do u recommend the perfect combo with espresso and filter
Niche and df64 ?
Or
Niche and df83 ?
Cz i wiil buy two of those choices this week
add the Femobook A68 to the mix
0:44 interesting kony 😜
You cant make a video about grinders when your puck prep is worst their is, at least give it a tap or something
straight tamping is the worst thing you can do.
other then that great video
Weber please
Do like the Weber, different price point tho!
@@CoffeePartsTV any1 review pls
I love my Niche!!!
🙂🙂🙂
Niche is CONICAL though to me there is absolutely no comparison .... to compare something that is the largest FLAT BURRS ... flat being so different in general at 54...64.... let alone 83.... to a CONICAL grinder. .. lol weird
I loved the intro.
Thank you :)
We thought we would have some fun with it