Great job! You can HEAR the difference after polishing. It's much more quiet, less of that plastic scraping sound. I did the exact same thing to my Glock 43x before I ever shot it. It's my first Glock. I also polished the slide rails. But the single thing that made the most difference was polishing both sides of the trigger spring shoe that the connector slips into. It was gouging the plastic trigger housing. No expensive aftermarket trigger parts needed. I do the same kind of thing to my revolvers as well.
The best thing you could possibly do is remove the hinged trigger and throw it in the trash and get a flat faced trigger and Ghost 3 or 3.5lb trigger bar. Best 20$ I’ve spent in a long time
May or may not be helpful, but I also polished the inside (right side) of the rear rail module and the portion of the trigger bar that interfaces with it. It appears on my Dagger that these two surfaces do make contact. Not an issue with a Glock as there is no rear rail module.
No damage but be sure to use the correct size punch. The trigger assembly has the metal “cup” around it and the pins actually tension on the holes in the metal cup.
This is about the only down side to the dagger imo .. Maybe they make gen2 later with block pins ..but as of 2023 labor day sale 220$ now gen 3 glock clones seems its just a price point gun for regular folks who will never polish there trigger bars or add a timmney or apex trigger witch is probably best
I spy a Strike Industries enhanced AR lower parts kit. I just built a nice AR using that parts kit 😆. Good video, I've been doing this for years with my Glocks. Micro Dagger C-1 is on order, from what I understand if you want to put an Apex into a Micro Dagger it requires an OEM Glock 43X assembly.
Strike makes some good mods for sure. I’ve been looking at the micro daggers but I’ve already been in a G48 MOS for a couple of years with the Sheild arms mags. The wife’s in a 43x with the Sheild mags as well. I’d have to change the metal mag release back out. 😂😂
The front rail looks like a P80 rail. Did you try a set of Glock pins? I would mic. the roll pins and see if they measure 22mm if they do, you can throw those roll pins in the trash.
thanks for the vid! maybe you can answer my question as to why my new dagger sounds so bad when i send back the slide.. the spring sounds like its scratching everything inside lol.. it sounds like the slides screaming lol
😂😂 I’m guessing it’s the edges on the flat guide rod spring riding across the guide rod. Lol. I’ve had several Glocks with the double captive spring make some weird noises too. It usually subsides or diminishes after several hundred rounds of wear-in and some carbon buildup. 😉
i oiled the SHIT out of it.. and it seems to of made a 80% reduction in overall screeching lol .. I have put about 320 rounds through it so far.. runs perfect.. not a single issue BUT the sound. SO i guess.. more rounds and break in along with being nice n wet is all it needs.. im sure after its at like 1000 rnds itll be much better! Thank you sir!! @@kentuckyrangetime
I’ve been pondering this pin design since I did the initial video. It’s different than the glock pins and definitely a bit more laborious to disassemble but i’m now thinking the polymer isn’t what they intended to hold the pins. it’s the metal of the trigger housing. The holes in the polymer just keep the housing and pins from moving around once assembled inside the frame. The design made a bit more since looking at from that angle. And it relieves most of my initial concern over the pins. 😉
Not sure the exact size but guessing 3/32. I rarely look just guess grab the closest one and swap out if it’s too big or small since there all a few inches away. For a few bucks extra, I’d get the 5 piece set. 😉
I had to go back and look. 😂😂 It’s the Hiperfire PDI, 2lb. Comes with the adjustable shoe. I really liked this trigger but unfortunately it was installed on a rifle I traded off a while back. I didn’t realize it until after the guy had already looked at it. Lol
I don’t remember the exact size but it’s the largest one that will fit in the hole. It’s a roll pin so it’ll take a hammer and some force to drive it through. If you have a block with a hole in it for the pin to drop into it’ll help too.
Great job and nice video. I've seen alot of video's of people complaining about the gun having rolled pins instead of solid pins, but most guns are made with rolled pins, so whats the big deal?
Just from observation of everything I’m guessing that driving the roll pins in/out with a pin punch will eventually wear and enlarge the holes in the polymer frame. This might create a bit of slop in how tightly the locking block and other parts fit together. Most people will never remove them or do it so infrequently that it’ll never be an issue.
Those roll pins were a bitch to remove. Trigger pin had to be tapped out w a punch. After the polish, my dagger went to 4 lb. Prior was 5+ lb. It smoothed the action a lot. I wish psa would do something about those roll pins. Also, my slide cover plate was really jammed into the slots. I had to use a flathead screwdriver to pull it out. But now that it’s done, I’m not monkeying with my dagger anymore. My Glock 17 disassembles much easier by comparison.
I totally missed the trigger install. I have the center pin installed, can you tell me which pin goes to the rear housing? Is it the shorter or longer pin? Thanks!
Not really sure how a “scratch” could do anything to stiffen the trigger pull. you might feel a little grittiness as it pulled over a scratch. Now a large gouge where the metal parts work across each other might create additional resistance.
These are great guns at their price point. I ended up giving this one to my mom last weekend, she wasn’t happy with the .38spl revolver she had 🙄. 77 years old and she managed the slide with either hand and after 5-6 shots getting the sight picture down was getting 4-5” groups at 15 yards. She called me Monday to tell me she needed more practice ammo!😂😂
i seriously doubt it. The holes in the metal inserts inside the frame would have to be exactly the right size and if they did fit there wouldn’t be any material to hold the pins from falling out.
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Great job! You can HEAR the difference after polishing. It's much more quiet, less of that plastic scraping sound. I did the exact same thing to my Glock 43x before I ever shot it. It's my first Glock. I also polished the slide rails. But the single thing that made the most difference was polishing both sides of the trigger spring shoe that the connector slips into. It was gouging the plastic trigger housing. No expensive aftermarket trigger parts needed. I do the same kind of thing to my revolvers as well.
The best thing you could possibly do is remove the hinged trigger and throw it in the trash and get a flat faced trigger and Ghost 3 or 3.5lb trigger bar. Best 20$ I’ve spent in a long time
what flat faced trigger do you reccomend?
May or may not be helpful, but I also polished the inside (right side) of the rear rail module and the portion of the trigger bar that interfaces with it. It appears on my Dagger that these two surfaces do make contact. Not an issue with a Glock as there is no rear rail module.
👍🏻 makes sense. anywhere there’s metal on metal contact. Thanks for the tip. 😉
Nice job improving your new toy! Half a pound reduction is what I see on my Glocks after smoothing it up some. Glad you're back Matt. Stay Safe
Thanks Bob!!😉👍🏻
Was there any damage to the trigger grove area when hammering it out. Mine did not budge whatsoever.
No damage but be sure to use the correct size punch. The trigger assembly has the metal “cup” around it and the pins actually tension on the holes in the metal cup.
@@kentuckyrangetime thanks
This is about the only down side to the dagger imo .. Maybe they make gen2 later with block pins ..but as of 2023 labor day sale 220$ now gen 3 glock clones seems its just a price point gun for regular folks who will never polish there trigger bars or add a timmney or apex trigger witch is probably best
I spy a Strike Industries enhanced AR lower parts kit. I just built a nice AR using that parts kit 😆. Good video, I've been doing this for years with my Glocks. Micro Dagger C-1 is on order, from what I understand if you want to put an Apex into a Micro Dagger it requires an OEM Glock 43X assembly.
Strike makes some good mods for sure.
I’ve been looking at the micro daggers but I’ve already been in a G48 MOS for a couple of years with the Sheild arms mags. The wife’s in a 43x with the Sheild mags as well. I’d have to change the metal mag release back out. 😂😂
The front rail looks like a P80 rail. Did you try a set of Glock pins? I would mic. the roll pins and see if they measure 22mm if they do, you can throw those roll pins in the trash.
thanks for the vid! maybe you can answer my question as to why my new dagger sounds so bad when i send back the slide.. the spring sounds like its scratching everything inside lol.. it sounds like the slides screaming lol
😂😂
I’m guessing it’s the edges on the flat guide rod spring riding across the guide rod. Lol. I’ve had several Glocks with the double captive spring make some weird noises too. It usually subsides or diminishes after several hundred rounds of wear-in and some carbon buildup. 😉
i oiled the SHIT out of it.. and it seems to of made a 80% reduction in overall screeching lol .. I have put about 320 rounds through it so far.. runs perfect.. not a single issue BUT the sound. SO i guess.. more rounds and break in along with being nice n wet is all it needs.. im sure after its at like 1000 rnds itll be much better! Thank you sir!!
@@kentuckyrangetime
@@Orlandohaschanged your very welcome!!
I totally marred my new dagger trying to hammer these stupid fuc@!ng roll pins back in. They need to fire whoever thought that was a good idea.
I did too. Next time I'm going too tape it up nice just in case the punch slips.
Those roll pins will keep me from disassembling the lower since they appear to have a finite number of times you can do them.
I’ve been pondering this pin design since I did the initial video. It’s different than the glock pins and definitely a bit more laborious to disassemble but i’m now thinking the polymer isn’t what they intended to hold the pins. it’s the metal of the trigger housing. The holes in the polymer just keep the housing and pins from moving around once assembled inside the frame.
The design made a bit more since looking at from that angle. And it relieves most of my initial concern over the pins. 😉
Hey boss what size punch an roll punches did you use I need to order some off Amazon thanks for your time an great video!!
Not sure the exact size but guessing 3/32. I rarely look just guess grab the closest one and swap out if it’s too big or small since there all a few inches away. For a few bucks extra, I’d get the 5 piece set. 😉
@@kentuckyrangetime okay thanks boss!!!
Great info when or if I get a PSA Dagger I will have to do it! By the way, what is that trigger on the Aero on the bench, or rather that trigger shoe?
I had to go back and look. 😂😂
It’s the Hiperfire PDI, 2lb. Comes with the adjustable shoe. I really liked this trigger but unfortunately it was installed on a rifle I traded off a while back. I didn’t realize it until after the guy had already looked at it. Lol
Thanks for the video, it is the best one for polishing. Try some Mobil 1 10W30 for lube.
Yes, full synthetic! Lol. That’s my goto lube for most of my firearms. I keep a wet on my workbench and a small squeeze bottle I refill with it. 😉👍🏻👊🏻
Have you found any good replacements for the roll pins?
No. The way the internals are designed I’m not sure anything but a roll pin will work.
@@kentuckyrangetime thanks 👍
How did you get those pins out? What punch did you use? I've bent so many tools and the front one just won't budge.
I don’t remember the exact size but it’s the largest one that will fit in the hole. It’s a roll pin so it’ll take a hammer and some force to drive it through. If you have a block with a hole in it for the pin to drop into it’ll help too.
Great job and nice video. I've seen alot of video's of people complaining about the gun having rolled pins instead of solid pins, but most guns are made with rolled pins, so whats the big deal?
Just from observation of everything I’m guessing that driving the roll pins in/out with a pin punch will eventually wear and enlarge the holes in the polymer frame. This might create a bit of slop in how tightly the locking block and other parts fit together.
Most people will never remove them or do it so infrequently that it’ll never be an issue.
how did you manage to get the trigger pin out? Wiggling the slide release isn't working
I don’t remember having any issues with it. Might need to move the slide release a bit differently to get the hole to center up better??🤷🏼♂️
Those roll pins were a bitch to remove. Trigger pin had to be tapped out w a punch. After the polish, my dagger went to 4 lb. Prior was 5+ lb. It smoothed the action a lot. I wish psa would do something about those roll pins. Also, my slide cover plate was really jammed into the slots. I had to use a flathead screwdriver to pull it out. But now that it’s done, I’m not monkeying with my dagger anymore.
My Glock 17 disassembles much easier by comparison.
My exact thoughts on the whole process too! Lol.
Still, it’s a gray value at its price point. 😉
I totally missed the trigger install. I have the center pin installed, can you tell me which pin goes to the rear housing? Is it the shorter or longer pin? Thanks!
I didn’t notice a length difference. I might have got lucky putting them back in though.
@@kentuckyrangetime ok thanks!
My dagger has a lot of mush take up, and no wall.
Hey, bud. A little unrelated but I read on a forum that a stiff trigger pull on a glock/dagger means a scratched connector. How is that possible?
Not really sure how a “scratch” could do anything to stiffen the trigger pull. you might feel a little grittiness as it pulled over a scratch. Now a large gouge where the metal parts work across each other might create additional resistance.
My new dagger out of the box is under 5 lbs on my gauge. And I will be doing a polish job.
I can't for the life of me take out the roll pins ! Any suggestions
Hey Kevin, It’s a hammer and pin punch operation. They won’t “push” out like the Glock OEM pins do.
One reason it's half the price.
These are great guns at their price point.
I ended up giving this one to my mom last weekend, she wasn’t happy with the .38spl revolver she had 🙄. 77 years old and she managed the slide with either hand and after 5-6 shots getting the sight picture down was getting 4-5” groups at 15 yards. She called me Monday to tell me she needed more practice ammo!😂😂
Can u put Glock pins instead of roll pins
i seriously doubt it. The holes in the metal inserts inside the frame would have to be exactly the right size and if they did fit there wouldn’t be any material to hold the pins from falling out.
Speak up a bit! Can’t hear anything for the first half of the video
So it is a glock trigger
Need a mic, can not hear you very well...
Man you talk softly