How-To: Glock Trigger into PSA Dagger

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  • @Tiny_rikk
    @Tiny_rikk 10 місяців тому +5

    I only had a plastic flooring mallet and a thick roll of duct tape. Thanks for the tutorial. It worked great!

    • @johnb.6468
      @johnb.6468 5 місяців тому

      I just use a pair of scissors and whatever hammer is closest

  • @E_JIM3N3Z11b
    @E_JIM3N3Z11b Місяць тому +2

    I purchased a psa dagger without a trigger group. Instead a overwatch precision trigger. And I'm loving it

  • @kali6651
    @kali6651 9 місяців тому +3

    Youre the first person ive seen with a near identical setup as me, i LOVE the chameleon barrel. I just have a compensator on mine and a +5 extension. Love my Dagger!

  • @ulricmitchell7236
    @ulricmitchell7236 Рік тому +48

    “Be very careful” proceeds to swing ridiculously without accuracy missing multiple times😂

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  Рік тому +15

      “If you’re using a hammer and not a rubber mallet.” Thanks for watching 👍

    • @Succeedlikeyoubreathe
      @Succeedlikeyoubreathe Рік тому +6

      No he said “give it some good whacks cause it’s in there” haha funny shit though!

    • @AnDy.Strong
      @AnDy.Strong Рік тому +2

      😂

    • @nrj_1957
      @nrj_1957 10 місяців тому

      He did say that it was awkward to perform the task while a camera is in your field of view, that otherwise wouldn’t have been

  • @rilianriggs4620
    @rilianriggs4620 Рік тому +1

    In my opinion, a highly polished stock Glock Gen 3 trigger, and I mean everything polished as well as the stock connector, striker and striker safety plunger and a Johnny Glocks VEX trigger shoe is the best setup I've ever shot. Great video

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  11 місяців тому +1

      I’ve never tried that shoe but I’ve polished up every friction part and even with the stock shoe it feels amazing.

    • @rilianriggs4620
      @rilianriggs4620 11 місяців тому

      @@sellswords2318 You're right. I also use white lithium grease on the birds head and connector friction point.

  • @ShaunBennett
    @ShaunBennett 3 місяці тому +1

    YEah I got out the 9 lb sledge for that pin! Really feel better seeing you have the same mallet on your desk. What a pain! But great upgrade.

  • @michaelsherfield3749
    @michaelsherfield3749 10 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for this video! it will help me in the near future. I want to put some gold pins, take down pin gold slide release, gold back plate and trigger shoe. I think it will set it off. Will the pins work out? Ive heard something about the older gen of daggers.

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  10 місяців тому

      I heard the pins were walking out before, is that what you’re referring to? Not sure if the older Daggers had regular pins but being that they’re roll-pins now means the tension applied by the roll-pin trying to open keeps them seated firmly in place.

    • @michaelsherfield3749
      @michaelsherfield3749 10 місяців тому

      @@sellswords2318 yeah. I looked into it further they use proprietary pins. If you try to use the oem glock pins I heard they fall all the way through to the other side. Do you know if slide releases can be swapped with no problem? I've heard mixed reviews on that.

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  10 місяців тому +1

      I don’t know about the slide release, I’ve never changed it on neither the Dagger nor the Glocks I own.

    • @michaelsherfield3749
      @michaelsherfield3749 10 місяців тому

      @@sellswords2318 appreciate all the info!

  • @furfordpainting
    @furfordpainting Рік тому +3

    Awesome video brother!! Very “to the point” and no bullshit stories to fill time unnecessarily. I’m going to pull my daggers apart and polish the triggers now, best dagger trigger tutorial on the web, nice job!!👍👍 You helped me immensely!!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @caddys83
    @caddys83 Рік тому +11

    The best explanation on the dagger. Thanks.

  • @franklinmarks7845
    @franklinmarks7845 Рік тому +4

    The easiest way to remember the spring under the cruciform is it's in the shape of an s

  • @thejarhead0313
    @thejarhead0313 11 місяців тому +2

    You just earned a new subscriber man, good video. I cant wait for the new Sabre line to come out.

  • @jamesweatherby5520
    @jamesweatherby5520 2 місяці тому +1

    Thanks for the walk through on this.

  • @gguezille
    @gguezille 4 місяці тому +1

    In a few videos I watched the trigger pin came with almost no difficulty. In my case we tried for over 3 hours and 2 people, one pushing or gently tapping with a punch while the other wiggled the slide lever or pushed down on the spring. Still no go! The 2 roll pins were a bit hard to remove but eventually they came out with some persuasion. I'm about to use a bigger hammer and break something just because it might feel good. LOL

    • @jeffm42o
      @jeffm42o 2 місяці тому

      I'm having the same problem. Not trying to damage anything so I gave up for now

    • @gguezille
      @gguezille 2 місяці тому

      @@jeffm42o After a few tries I managed to get it off. Then I had to do it again and it was easier; after a few more time removing that darn pin it became easier. I guess it just needs to be broken in, Don't give up and try again, without forcing, until it gives - which it will eventually! No amount of force will help! Just keep playing with it...

  • @OneRyLove
    @OneRyLove 8 місяців тому +1

    Can I just replace the whole trigger housing and bar etc with the one from my Glock 43x? I’m asking in reference to the micro dagger in that case.

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  8 місяців тому

      I don’t know, bud. I haven’t had a micro dagger.

    • @Teddjenkins
      @Teddjenkins 7 місяців тому

      Yes, that’s the only way you can is by replacing the entire system

  • @luhgeorge21
    @luhgeorge21 2 місяці тому +1

    Wiggle the slide release main reason this video got a like from me helped out a lot

  • @smoke33325
    @smoke33325 Рік тому +4

    Good vid....thanks for sharing! ..and thanks for the link. I'll be installing both the mag release and the trigger.

  • @tollav
    @tollav Рік тому +2

    Awesome explanation but couldn't you just use the whole trigger housing to put in the Dagger instead of transplanting the Glock trigger bar into the Dagger backend?

  • @cyma-zw2tt
    @cyma-zw2tt Місяць тому

    My trigger doesn’t move every time I rack the slide, what could be the problem?

  • @Ruckusism
    @Ruckusism Рік тому +2

    Was looking at doing a serpico lyte trigger somone said it was like a apex clone. But ive been reading you have to do a mod to stop over travel.

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  Рік тому +1

      I have no experience with that trigger. Let me know how it goes if you scoop one up.

  • @stchman
    @stchman Рік тому +1

    Update.
    I put a stock Gen3 Glock trigger, I polished the bar and connector and the trigger is downright excellent.

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  Рік тому

      Some guys don’t like it but I’ve grown fond of the stock Glock trigger. It somehow feels even better in a Dagger. 👍

    • @Teddjenkins
      @Teddjenkins 7 місяців тому

      Can you explain the polishing part? What do you polish it with

    • @stchman
      @stchman 7 місяців тому

      @Teddjenkins
      Mother's Mag and Aluminum Polish. Makes the parts shiny and smooth.

  • @Dont_tread_on_T
    @Dont_tread_on_T Рік тому +2

    I’m having trouble getting the slide release back in w that weird wire.. any help?

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  Рік тому +4

      It’s a bit tough to line it all up. That wire is the spring that returns it. I recommend you drop the slide release into place first, make sure it’s close to center of the hole and then drop the locking block over it. You’ll have to put pressure down on the locking block to “compress” the spring (weird wire thing). Then run a punch through the other side of the gun to capture all of the components. Then just follow the punch back through with the corresponding pin. Hope this helps. 👍

    • @Dont_tread_on_T
      @Dont_tread_on_T Рік тому +1

      @@sellswords2318got it!! Thanks for the video and the help!

  • @sterlingreece9355
    @sterlingreece9355 Рік тому +2

    I just did this install and holy sh*t it might be the crispest Glock trigger in my house. And I have Overwatch and Glock Performance triggers in some of my Glocks

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  Рік тому +1

      Haha, it gets a lot of hate but I’ve learned to love that Glock trigger. Since I don’t touch internals on my carry Glocks I train with them often so I’m used to it. When I shoot tac night with my 17.3 w/ the Timney in it I feel unstoppable!

  • @stchman
    @stchman Рік тому +1

    So a 100% stock Glock trigger and bar will drop in a Dagger or Dagger S?

  • @Headasslalan
    @Headasslalan 6 місяців тому

    Could I use a regular 1/8in punch for the pins?? Or does it have to have to be a rolled punch?? I don’t have one near me

    • @deadeye4256
      @deadeye4256 3 місяці тому

      i used a 3/32 regular punch. i did marr the roll pins since you have too slam the living shit out of them

  • @alexeyd9196
    @alexeyd9196 2 місяці тому +1

    You removed trigger pin without hammer... I'm too... I like it...

  • @pablopenasco4254
    @pablopenasco4254 2 місяці тому +1

    Thanks for the help!

  • @paytonlang2882
    @paytonlang2882 9 місяців тому +1

    Did you do the stippling/texture on your grip or have it done? I want to do mine.

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  9 місяців тому +1

      It isn’t stippled, it’s a stick on rubberized grip they sell on Amazon. Clean the frame, stick it on (it comes precut to fit your gun) and then hit it with a heat gun. I recommend them all the time. I also have it on my Glock 43 and 43X.

    • @paytonlang2882
      @paytonlang2882 9 місяців тому

      Thank you

  • @CeeJayC3903
    @CeeJayC3903 10 місяців тому +1

    Did you just use a regular punch or 1 specific for the rolled pins?

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  10 місяців тому +1

      I used a roll pin punch but I’m sure you can get away with using a normal punch.

  • @derbydriver
    @derbydriver 11 місяців тому +1

    Good video, I’m about to do the same swap. I don’t mind Glock triggers too much, but I HATE the Dagger trigger. Bought a Shadow Systems Glock trigger for $20, hoping it improves my shooting experience with the Dagger.

  • @mdood9299
    @mdood9299 5 місяців тому

    I keep hearing the roll pins remove polymer with each removal. How's your frames holding up?

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  5 місяців тому

      Mine’s solid but I’ve only removed them once on one gun and twice on the other. I hadn’t heard about that. If that’s true that’s pretty terrible.

    • @mdood9299
      @mdood9299 5 місяців тому

      @@sellswords2318 I can't attest to it first hand, just something I've read before. I'm still going to open mine up, a replacement frame is only $50 right now anyhow.

  • @screamingeagle11b
    @screamingeagle11b 5 місяців тому +1

    Trying this now, my rail wont come out.....help needed

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  4 місяці тому

      The front slide rail? You got both pins out..?

    • @screamingeagle11b
      @screamingeagle11b 4 місяці тому

      It's like the rails and locking block is fused or glued in the gun, it won't pop out.....the pins are definitely out of the weapon

    • @screamingeagle11b
      @screamingeagle11b 4 місяці тому

      ​@@sellswords2318if you don't have any suggestions, I fear I may have to take it to a gun smith

  • @christianwolfart3290
    @christianwolfart3290 11 місяців тому +1

    Great vid, man. Thank you!
    Question.... The minus connector you used to replace the factory one is a lone wolf, yes?(I noticed the indents on either side of the centre strand)
    And, if so, why did you choose it? I'm new to this modding business.
    Thanks, brother.

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  11 місяців тому

      Thanks, man. I just reached into my bin of old spare parts and grabbed whatever one was in there. There was no thought behind which one I was putting in. It worked out though!

  • @darklight4815
    @darklight4815 9 місяців тому

    the stock Dagger trigger has actually turned out to be one of my favorite triggers lately so i don't even know why i'm here

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  9 місяців тому +3

      To give me a view and a comment which is appreciated.

    • @darklight4815
      @darklight4815 9 місяців тому

      @@sellswords2318 you got it brother 💪🇺🇸

  • @gumps1986
    @gumps1986 9 місяців тому

    Put a Glock gen 3 trigger in mine with Ghost Inc springs, and it will not reset. Had to use the PSA hinged trigger which I hate.

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  9 місяців тому

      If you changed the springs I’d verify they went in the correct way and then check again. If you messed with the connector as well I’d say press it in and if it lifts then push the cruciform forward and see if it resets. But if you changed springs I’d say it’s likely that. Or swap the trigger and run the factory spring? Let us know if you figure it out 👍

    • @gumps1986
      @gumps1986 9 місяців тому

      @@sellswords2318 I swapped the springs and connector. It’s strange the PSA trigger bar works fine with everything else being the same.

    • @gumps1986
      @gumps1986 9 місяців тому

      @@sellswords2318 I finally got it to work, but it took a lot of bending of the Glock cruciform and slide guides. The Dagger slide must ride higher than a Glock.

  • @kevinreno5891
    @kevinreno5891 Рік тому +1

    So it's cool to re-use the same roll-pins right?

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  Рік тому

      I’d reach out to PSA with that question but I reused them and haven’t had any issues.

  • @juanreyes6913
    @juanreyes6913 10 місяців тому +1

    Love the video. Doing this to mine tonight. But I just had to ask since I didn’t see it in the comments. What grip do you have?

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  10 місяців тому

      I can’t remember for sure but this is the brand I run on my 43 and 43X so probably this one: a.co/d/51dlKJ0
      In case the link doesn’t work it’s Talon Grips “rubberized”. Granulate is sandpaper. Grippy as can be but if you conceal carry it could get uncomfortable. Cheers

  • @DeerUNIT42
    @DeerUNIT42 9 місяців тому

    Newbie to Glock style handguns: I don't have a gen 3 to drop into it, just a stock dagger. What is the best bang for your buck purchase to upgrade my stock trigger?

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  9 місяців тому

      My personal favorite trigger for any gen 3 Glock or clone is the Timney Alpha. Some say it’s too light to carry with. Plenty of great reviews on the Johnny Glock trigger kit. I personally have the Apex trigger in my Dagger with some sort of lightened connector. The Timney trigger is in my Glock 17… I do not carry it. It’s my tacticool gun for running courses. Hope that helps.

  • @Shogunslossy
    @Shogunslossy Рік тому +2

    What anodized barrel is that?

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  Рік тому +2

      It came in the Dagger slide. It’s PSA’s “chameleon” barrel.

  • @warren3665
    @warren3665 10 місяців тому +1

    Exactly what I was look for to upgrade my dagger trigger. Thanks!

  • @willbanias
    @willbanias 10 місяців тому +1

    I can not get the trigger pin out. Just will not budge.

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  10 місяців тому

      Lift and/or wiggle the slide lock lever as you push on the trigger pin.

  • @sirmykal9764
    @sirmykal9764 Рік тому +1

    Might as well put an aluminum flat faced trigger shoe on that bad boy!

  • @ShinyLightzInTheSky
    @ShinyLightzInTheSky 11 місяців тому

    Stock dagger trigger is 100% better than stock Glock trigger tough?

  • @Succeedlikeyoubreathe
    @Succeedlikeyoubreathe Рік тому +3

    Awesome. Great video and hilarious

  • @artlessdiamondmedia
    @artlessdiamondmedia 2 місяці тому +1

    Thank you very much sir

  • @TheMikeharris7
    @TheMikeharris7 11 місяців тому +2

    Not sure I'd say a stock Glock trigger is better than a stock PSA Dagger trigger. They both aren't that great. :)

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  11 місяців тому

      Timney Alpha trigger to the rescue!

  • @KsooTheYouTuber
    @KsooTheYouTuber Рік тому +1

    Can i just swap trigger shoe

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  Рік тому +1

      You can. I’m sure there’s a video out there of someone swapping a trigger shoe out.

  • @GHicks-lu5tu
    @GHicks-lu5tu 7 місяців тому +1

    You forgot to mention , that you were suppose to place grease where the connector & trigger housing metal rubs together . Otherwise great vid!

  • @JonathanLajoie-z2u
    @JonathanLajoie-z2u Рік тому +2

    You helped me. Thank you

  • @wadexinduction4234
    @wadexinduction4234 Рік тому +2

    Is there a print file available for that block? It looks really useful. Thanks!

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  Рік тому +1

      There is but I don’t know where to find it. Google 3d printed armorer’s block maybe? Like I stated a buddy made them for me.

  • @drewbienewbie03xx81
    @drewbienewbie03xx81 7 місяців тому

    The spring should make an S as you are looking st it.

  • @firearmretreat
    @firearmretreat 3 місяці тому +1

    It would have been really nice to watch you put it back together 😢

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  3 місяці тому +1

      You’re not the first to tell me this. I’ll keep that in mind if I shoot another video. It’s just really hard to work with a big tripod holding a phone in front of me 🤪

  • @jaystovall6161
    @jaystovall6161 10 місяців тому

    What’s the red trigger?

  • @JakesRealtyGroup
    @JakesRealtyGroup Рік тому +2

    Wow. It was very casual presentation. Though you know what you are doing the explanation was a bit casual 😢.

  • @DTFTACTICAL
    @DTFTACTICAL 11 місяців тому +1

    i see you have an anti theft multibit screwdriver... i love mine

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  11 місяців тому

      Yeah, man. I’m an elevator guy by day and most of our panels have tamper-proof hardware in them so that little guy gets me into most places. Good eye!

    • @DTFTACTICAL
      @DTFTACTICAL 11 місяців тому

      @@sellswords2318 used mine for tamper and flow switchs on fire protection switches.

  • @bartholomewnathanieltjcubb2378
    @bartholomewnathanieltjcubb2378 10 місяців тому +1

    Nice olight!

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  10 місяців тому +1

      I like the Olights. Literally made a video about how much hate they get earlier today. Check it out 👍

    • @bartholomewnathanieltjcubb2378
      @bartholomewnathanieltjcubb2378 10 місяців тому

      People get so mad too! They claim they explode but I own several dozen and never had a problem with any of them except the warrior mini 2 which did get hot but they warrantied it for me right away

  • @RedEyePergo
    @RedEyePergo Рік тому +3

    I tried putting a Shadow Sytems trigger from my DR920P in my Dagger and the trigger bar blocks the magazine from feeding wtf ?

    • @pgrahamcpa
      @pgrahamcpa Рік тому +2

      Yes, Shadow System & PSA Dagger parts do not like each other. (NOT cross compatible)

  • @kevinshockey2765
    @kevinshockey2765 Рік тому +1

    Thanks

  • @kevingallich5557
    @kevingallich5557 Рік тому +2

    Nice video. I also spy an Olight!

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  Рік тому +2

      I got an Olight Odin Mini to review. Light works surprisingly well and didn’t blow up when I left it on until it drained out. That said it felt like it was 200 degrees. It’s survived the concussion off the SBR which is teeth-chattering. The charging system is nice. I still prefer Streamlight and Surefire lights. 😅

    • @nokachi3339
      @nokachi3339 Рік тому

      @@sellswords2318 Pocket IEDs lol

  • @ugo445
    @ugo445 6 місяців тому

    I agree the compact daggers are awful. For some reason the full size S model frames have a better trigger

  • @richvest7212
    @richvest7212 6 місяців тому

    Why ?

  • @TMFShooting
    @TMFShooting Рік тому +1

    Great stuff 💯Wish we could Own Handguns in the UK 😞😞😞😞😞😞😞
    💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

  • @SWFT2A
    @SWFT2A 5 місяців тому +1

    Be careful about showing the take down of the slide, I have heard UA-cam is not fond of it

  • @joesmith201212
    @joesmith201212 7 місяців тому

    Um dude forgot to put the pin back into the front of the locking block you can clearly see the light go through the hole

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  7 місяців тому

      Yes, that’s exactly what happened. It’s not that it’s a roll pin which is hollow which you can see daylight through at all.

    • @joesmith201212
      @joesmith201212 7 місяців тому

      @@sellswords2318 what an odd thing to say and claim because if you back up the video as you take out the pins they weren't hollow.... All pins were solid

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  7 місяців тому

      @@joesmith201212 I assume you own a Dagger if you’re watching this video? Go look at your Dagger. It has 3 pins. Two of them are hollow roll pins. The largest one is a solid pin. No need to argue with the facts; go look at your Dagger.

    • @joesmith201212
      @joesmith201212 7 місяців тому

      @@sellswords2318 no I own a Glock yeah never seen a hollow pin before so yeah seems really odd and wouldn't a hollow pin make it impossible to push out because any tool would just penetrate it and wouldn't a hollow pin make it much weaker than a solid metal pin?

    • @joesmith201212
      @joesmith201212 7 місяців тому

      @@sellswords2318 and why did you assume I own a dagger? I was looking up videos on how to do an Apex trigger upgrade.

  • @Aviation_Professional
    @Aviation_Professional Рік тому +6

    That dagger trigger is awful... cannot stand it

    • @TisiphonesShadow
      @TisiphonesShadow Рік тому +1

      Yep. It's modelled after the S&W trigger.

    • @Sandhill1988
      @Sandhill1988 5 місяців тому +1

      ​@@TisiphonesShadow You're speaking of the trigger shoe???

    • @Kingdarius1994
      @Kingdarius1994 5 місяців тому +1

      My homie polished his and it still 5lb and sucks it is a tad less gritty but that’s about it

  • @artlessdiamondmedia
    @artlessdiamondmedia 2 місяці тому +1

    6:13 sorry i laughed

  • @bigdeuceuno
    @bigdeuceuno 4 місяці тому

    My psa dagger full S is garbage the trigger is junk n the slide won't release off the fking frame very poor quality all around 😢

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  4 місяці тому +1

      That’s terrible, man. Does the lemon law apply to firearms!?

    • @bigdeuceuno
      @bigdeuceuno 4 місяці тому

      I wish it did😂...they have a lifetime warranty but idc imma try to remove n replace all its factory internals n pray for the best NEVER will i buy PSA again ​@@sellswords2318

  • @tavo2422
    @tavo2422 Рік тому +1

    Dagger trigger is better than Glock trigger

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  Рік тому +1

      Cool opinion, I guess? The point of the video is to show that any gen 3 trigger for Glock will fit the Dagger.

  • @dezrtrat702
    @dezrtrat702 5 місяців тому

    I’ll be like #800

  • @Bill-rs1zm
    @Bill-rs1zm 2 місяці тому

    I will never understand why people continue to buy and modify Glock clones to be a Glock BUY A GLOCK! Knuckle heads that make videos modifying firearms that have no engineering background put people in harm’s way.

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  2 місяці тому

      Imagine thinking you need an “engineering background” to swap a direct replacement part. 😂

    • @Bill-rs1zm
      @Bill-rs1zm 2 місяці тому

      How do you come to conclusion it’s a direct replacement part when it’s not even a Glock frame I have never put Ford parts on my Silverado. And by the way I have a Tool and Die and engineering background 😬

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  2 місяці тому +1

      @@Bill-rs1zm You said it yourself in the first comment. It’s a Glock CLONE; it has interchangeable parts with a Glock. Take your engineer eyes to the trigger bar and compare them. You’ll see they are identical. I install, repair, maintain, modernize and test elevators, escalators and moving walks and am constantly finding work-arounds for absolute trash concepts from engineers in that field. I’m not even remotely impressed by a college degree.

  • @jesselopez1637
    @jesselopez1637 10 місяців тому

    Stock glock trigger sucks the stock dagger is better

    • @sellswords2318
      @sellswords2318  10 місяців тому

      Center hinge triggers are trash but thanks for sharing your opinion.

  • @bladerunner5810
    @bladerunner5810 10 місяців тому

    Glock trigger better....Nah!

  • @nolagospeltracts8264
    @nolagospeltracts8264 8 місяців тому +1

    So the Dagger is based on g_l_o_c_k gen 3 but not exactly