If your looking to buy: i have owned all three versions of the Alienware x14, 15, and 17. The 14 although very nice size was very loud and the fans were on full blast even in Minecraft. I also noticed my screen actually bent and wouldn’t lay flat. Maybe a faulty model? My x15 R2 is very good build and although it’s bigger than the 14 it stay much quieter and i carry it with me to class every day without much problem. I would go for the x15 over the 14 for sure unless you really care about the size. The 17 ran about the same loudness as the 15 and honestly i ended up going with the x15 over the other two. Just my experience 😅the x15 got some bad reviews but in my opinion it is the best size and the performance although maybe less than the 17 it lapped the 14. Thank you Mash you videos helped me make my decision you are very thorough and keep up the great content
Thanks for the great review! I was actually waiting for it, but because I couldn't postpone buying a new laptop anymore, I have decided to go with Lenovo Legion 7 with 12800HX and 3070 Ti due the diminishing returns of 12900HX and 3080 Ti - I used to own 2 Alienwares, but actually for roughly the same price around 3000 EUR one could get either the one that I've bought or the AW with 12700H and QHD display - knowing that AW has some thermal issues with x17 r2 (I have also experienced them on my old 17 R4 with GTX 1080), worse processor, and that it's officially isn't sold in Czech Republic (unfortunately we're way too small market for companies like Dell, Google etc.) made me confident that Lenovo is the better choice. The fact that it has smaller screen is not a big deal for me because I've got myself wonderful Alienware AW2721D display with AW510K keyboard. So far, I've been using this laptop for a few days and yeah, there are some things that could be better: like try to disassemble it to install 2nd SSD - for me it was a nightmare despite the fact that I'm more of an advanced user with iFixit complete toolbox, necessary knowledge and practice in electronics repair, lack of Windows Hello, somewhat *different* keyboard (it's not worse than on the AW, it's just different), missing mini-DP port (not relevant for everyone though) ...but even though Legion isn't perfect, it's damn close for me to be the one and I have no buyer's remorse🙂 The screen is great and good enough for some semi-pro work IMO not even mentioning media consumption. For pure gamers playing games at QHD or higher resolutions the difference between HX and H(K) processors probably isn't worth a higher price (I mean if you consider maybe similar laptops from other brands since in this situation it's clear - HX is a better processor for the same money), for those whose daily life isn't really only about the gaming and includes some CPU-intensive tasks I'm sure you'll be better with more cores (i.e. HX is a better choice for you). I would disagree with sound quality evaluation though - maybe because it's not the same to hear it through the mic in a video, maybe Alienware did something in order to improve the sound quality, but I've heard AW a couple of months ago and I'd say that Legion is better - not that it matters for me because I think all of these laptops are crap in terms of music quality😄(excluding perhaps only Macs), I only use headphones or HiFi system, but for background listening to a radio, podcast etc. sound quality of Lenovo is alright.
I was expecting the legion to be better but when playing the same track side by side the Alienware did sound slightly better though neither was amazing by any means! Just a tip on opening the Legion, I found a suction cup on the front corners with a. little pressure helped opening the clips to get my pry tool in. Still much more difficult than it needs to be though
I’m waiting for the 40 series GPU’s at this point. I have the x17 R1 and have enjoyed it. Surprised the speakers were better on the x17 tbh. Thank you!
So was I! I think they have improved the speakers over the life of the laptop via driver updates and although still not amazing they are better than on release
Good video, I hope that by next year Alienware improves its X series laptops since they are good in construction but there are some small things that should be modified just like Lenovo
I purchased an Alienware M15 R7 a few months ago. I had to get three replacements for various issues, one for CPU overheating, one for display, and the last for power supply. When I got the new power supply I sold the Alienware at a loss and purchased the Legion 7i... WOW, what a difference. The Legion has not had one issue everything has functioned perfectly. I believe Alienware has become trash in regard to quality control. I loved my first Alienware but will likely not buy the brand again after the last. The Lenovo Legion is rivaling my Macbook for work, it is all-around solid! Initial comparisons between the Alienware and the Lenovo are cool, but I would love to see how yours compare 6 months down the road.
@@me-hk4ic Sorry to hear this. My Legion is still working great and I'll be sticking with Lenovo for my Windows-based laptops from here on out (I do my work on a Macbook Pro). Alienware just isn't the same.
Hi Dave, I want to say a big thanks to you. I have gone for the Alienware X17 r2 3070ti with 4k screen to replace my 2014 Alienware. The build quality and packing & service really seal it for me as competitors are so closely matched. Annoyingly, I now can’t live without Windows Hello😀
Hello Ahmed i just stumbled onto your comment but i used to own a gaming laptop my uncle gifted me before he enlisted it was a ASUS ROG with a 3050 and i7 but it was good. But sadly 2-3 Months ago i broke the screen on accident the laptop was my everything and was my key to happiness. Let me get to the point though Ahmed if your not gonna sell or use the laptop can you please consider following up with me and hopefully try and get the laptop to me. If you cant i 100% understand but if you do consider helping me then god is good. Great day.
Great comparison video, I've got the Legion 7i Gen 7 and been using it for a couple of months now. I love it, I wanted something a bit more portable then a 17 inch laptop but with 17 inch power and it's perfect. I can run it in quiet mode with no fan noise on a 100w usb c charger and never skips a beat for portable tasks. Then get home and hook it up to the 300w brick, bump it to performance and play what ever game I want. For portability and heavy gaming I don't think anything beats it currently
Excellent reviews thanks! I have the old Legion 7i (11th gen, 3080) and it more or less has the same chassis as the new one. The primary reason I picked the Legion over the Alienware X17 is portability. The Legion has the footprint of a 15" laptop yet packs a 16" screen and that small footprint makes a massive difference when lugging it through airports. I wish Alienware would make the design of the X15/X17 slightly thicker and lose the large footprint. The secondary reason I chose the Legion was value for money in terms of warranty, they are way cheaper than Dell for the equivalent onsite warranty.
The legions only look similair, but have quit different chassies. Look at the air exhaust on the left and right side of the 2022 version. It might not look like much, but the newer models don't need to rest their weight on the exhaust covers when carried around in a backbag. Gen 2020 had reportedly some broken exhaust covers because of this design. 2021 version fixed it with better material for the covers but with 2022 model the issue is now gone completly. Which is a good thing. Also because of that, opening the legion is easier now. The new rounded corners look different (although don't have much aditional value). In my opinion it looks more professional.
@@rossdev Don't worry, there are no reports so far that your generation legion 7i has issues with broken vents. Just keep in mind to not smash / force your 7i into your backpack or similar, since the vent cover is off-standing a little, and you should be fine. But I gues you are taking good care of your 7i anyway, that comes naturally with a $2800 price tag ;)
I had the Legion 7i for about a month and now have the X17 R2 (returned the Legion due to fun whine at low loads, and they had no replacement devices and zero customer service). Spot on agree on build quality easily going to the X17. But conversely the HX is crazy fast in the 7i, better webcam, and that port layout is perfect. Have to disagree on the screens though. Maybe I got unlucky, but my 7i was nowhere near 500 nits and the X17 version with 1440p is vastly brighter and just better all around with color and contrast. I still have some testing to do on the X17 (due to that second SSD with no heat sink delaying my Linux install), but initial impression is also it handles heat better, as you said esp. over the longer haul, but in my view also internally. Both really great machines. Pretty happy I ended up with the Dell though. PS - if you are in the EU, order the mechanical keyboard and save 100 euro! Crazy, but yeah... local language (German in this case) standard keyboard cost 100 euro more than international layout mechanical keyboard. It is a great keyboard. EDIT - and thanks for the video! This is just the comparison people need to see!
Is the whine you hear coil whine or from the fan, and was it only from certain angles? I'm quite sensitive to that, though the laptop will be a few metres away from me.
Enjoy your content, would have loved more information about the physical CPU/GPU setup. Upgradabilty if that’s even still a thing. Whats soldered, and what isn’t.
Watching this by my X17r1 and could not be more satisfied with this machine, the mechanical keyboard is just too fricking good, I even put aside my mechanical keyboard to use this laptop keyboard. Design and built quality will always be the main reasons buying Alienware X series, they just look and feel so good compared to others on the market. Unfortunately, although the speakers are sound bigger on the X17, mine have an issue that the left one keep making cracking sound when playing above 50% volume, I planning to call Dell support service to get myself a new speaker and see if that fix, hope so because some people and even the tech guy of Dell said this issue could not be fix even if you replace a new speaker, this is a major flaw of the X17 lineup that I hope Dell to fix it as soon as possible in the future.
Had the same issue with my x17 r1, but after a while that same left speaker is now damaged. It still sounds but the volume is like 70% lower than the right one since it got damaged. Definitely need to replace it, but I hope this cracking thing that originally happened is not the reason why the speaker got damaged after a while
for the Alienware I would recommend getting an USB hub or if you use an external monitor just connect the monitor's USB output, for convenience. Dell also supplies the heatsink if you buy the extra SSD from them. That said with the new generation of Intel CPU and RTX 40xx using almost 1000W combined I doubt the next generation of gaming laptops will be real desktop replacers ... I just can't imagine the next gen of laptops venting close to 1000W of heat.
Even the monstrous gaming laptops were never close to the energy consumption of the equivalent desktop components. It has been that way and will stay like that for the 4000 series too.
As usual, an awesome comparison in Mash-IT style. Loving it! 👍 I currently own razer blade 15 2022 i9 3080Ti & battery life is horrible. I gotta use it plugged in all the time. Just wondering whether it’s safe to use gaming laptop plugged in? Safe, I mean in aspect of long-term battery life & device hardwares’ health. Thank you!
It's not a safety problem, you SHOULD use gaming laptop plugged. The battery on a gaming laptop is more like a emergency energy for you to save your data...
Amazing review, exactly what I needed. I think im going with Alienware, even though i wish it could come in a 16in screen size. Thank you for this great content
Could you start comparing entry level specs of these machines, because I know most of us can't afford the higher end and it'd give us a lowest threshold perspective of their performance
Hi, nice review. I have to ask u a question (and also to all u guys). Yesterday I was playing God of War 3 on my legion 7i (with 3080 ti and Intel i9, 32gb ram) and the monitor shut down becoming black while pc was still running... What can it be?
David, the Alienware was at 4.3ghz during the game vs 2.6 to 2.9 on the Legion.. I am not surprised therefore the Alienware CPU temp was much higher.. that must be taken into account, or since the Alienware is unlocked, limit the multiplier to 29 to get the same clock speed and an apples to apples comparison, no? The Alienware was pulling 107w on the cpu vs a max of 40 on the Legion LOL.
Thank you for watching!?. Nah! We thank you for comparing these two laptops :) Also, what are the chances of Lenovo adding mini led screen , OLED screen and possibility of adding windows hello on the next laptop? I think they might add something new and showcase it when CES comes
I have been speaking with Lenovo’s EMEA Director who has stated that there will be some big changes to the Lenovo legion line up next year, I think they are putting more and more focus on their legion line so will keep fingers crossed and give you more info as I find out
So I had a question, currently I have an Alienware x17 r1 but it always has so many problems so I'm looking at getting a different one. Do you have any recommendations for a good AMD one? Also is it possible to do a video on how to clone ssd's? Also was looking at the legion 7 slim as well as the legion 7i. Which one has better performance with one being Intel. Is there any problems between the graphics card and the processor like there was in gen 11?
The BIG issue people saying about alienware is the thermal control. when a such power laptop is running, thermal is the KEY to release the performance. for build quality, TOUGH does NOT mean better quality, the air flow, how long a laptop hardware would/could last are other aspects of "build quality". my 2c!
Good video. X17R2 is great but at this point I'll hold out for the R3's. On another note, does anyone know if the M15/17 line will change it so you can get usb-c to display port in their future models? As it is now, their current models have usb-c hooked up to the integrated graphics and not the dedicated, so you can't get gsync to external monitors. Not sure why they made that decsison for the M-line.
Hello, Sorry this may not be a proper place for my post, but does anyone have any problems turning “ON” the power on the X17r2 from a cold start? Especially from overnight? I’m having these two problems below on two of the units that Dell sent me. Both units had the exact configurations like the one on this video ($4,000 USD). I have owned many Dell laptop & PC in the past 20+ years, but never run into this issues where the problems repeat itself after resetting the power. #1) The laptop will not turn “ON” with or without the power cord connect and even with the batteries almost full. I even did a power reset by disconnecting both the batteries and power cord and which work for couple times and than will not turn “ON” again…🤦🏻♂️ #2) when the unit finally turn “ON” after multiple pushing of the power button (10-20 times) the laptop will turn “ON” but the keyboard will not work & no respond and had to use the transparent key to login instead…🤦🏻♂️ #3) The first unit I receive, the headphone jack was not working at all, windows 11 can not detect it🤦🏻♂️ Thanks for any input…
I am sorry to say this sounds like a fault. I have had 8+ x17 and x15’s this year and none have exhibited this issue. Get onto chat with the alienware support guys
The intel version is better. But the amd version ain't far off,and should be cheaper. Jarrod has some good legion 7 and 7i reviews on his UA-cam channel.(Jarrod's tech)
The slims will be good for a content creator that games on the side but the 7/7i is much much more powerful and has better cooling for heavy gaming loads
If you want great battery life and efficiency, get AMD. If you want little more performance and more heat and not good battery life, get Intel. Though the Intel's come with Nvidia GPUs while AMD come with AMD GPUs(advantage edition) Every other thing is the same.
@@MashITTechYes i did we spoke earlier. I was trynna reach you on a few different platforms just in case you may not have had saw my comment i know you probably get hundreds
Still waiting RTX 40 series GPU. I have Scar 15 2021 1.5 years for now and so far I enjoyed it, except the lack of mux switch. Upgrading to RTX 40 mobile with zen4 mobile or RPL mobile will be the nice decision.
Yes, these 3000 series GPUs have been around a long time now, will be nice to have something fresh! I just hope Nvidia can manage the power consumption
Until Alienware brings a QHD display to the X17 and brings the numpad back (with backlit for secondary functions please!!!), not going to be bothering with them at all; before Lenovo I had only gone with Alienware but since the Y740, there has been no reason to select Alienware. Too many compromises
@@agent_smith9587 nope, they have a 15.6" 240Hz QHD panel on the X15, but 3 different 1080p (165Hz, 360Hz, 480Hz) panels for the X17 and a 4k 120Hz panel, but no QHD.
@@agent_smith9587 looks like you're right about it being in the US. In Canada it isn't available yet. That's definitely a good step forward! Still missing the NUMPAD and backlit function keys though so maybe X17 R3 will get it right!
Thanks for mentioning the heat on the keyboard deck of the Legion. I find that very annoying on last year's model that I have. A minus for me on Alienware is the Command Center software. It's terrible and easily the worst among the major brands.
Yeah, I always moan about the command centre but completely forgot to mention it in this video! You are right though, by far the worst software of any manufacturer
Nice review. Btw, i actually like that the legion doesn't have windows hello IR and that you can disable the camera on a hardware level. With all the privacy issues and bad rap China has, having a windows hello face recognition implementation might become a minus for legion 7 🤣.
Great Dave! Best review as always! I think Alienware x17 Is It better. Build quality, monitor and correct CPU... So, good laptop for work and gaming without reaching hot temperatures. P.s. will you make a comparison between Alienware x17 r2 and MSI Gs77?
Thanks mate, I haven’t managed to get the gs77 in yet. I am so behind at the moment! I need an extra day in the week 😂 working on the t14 gen 3 with ryzen 6850u then I will try and get either the gs77 or legion Ryzen edition in
Appreciate the videe. Question on pricing: I'm looking to get the Legion with a 3070Ti. USA pricing is around 2000$, UK pricing is currently at £2,524.49. Anyone able to give me a heads up here?
Lenovo UK pricing is always terrible. Expect to pay slightly more than the dollar now thanks to the plummeting pound. Look out for a voucher to try and reduce the price further
@@MashITTech appreciate the response. I'm in South Africa so may need to ship from the US using a friend staying abroad. Looking at around 200USD for shipping to SA.
Quick question about the specs, you said they are both spec'd with i9's but the chasis of the Alienware says it's an i7. Was it just mislabeled by Dell or is it an i7 in there?
I have multiple X17 r2's and I just happened to put the wrong one in front of me for the A roll. Sorry about that. If you check my reviews you can see I have reviewed the i9 and the i7 version :)
Can't tell looking at the X17 R2 if its chassis is made from metal or just some ultra smooth plastic, as for the price tag it's coming with I'm expecting metal all around but can't seem to find any reviews that touch on this subject.
@@MashITTech I'm looking at the highest spec 5i pro. 32 ram, 2 terabytes ssd, 3070ti...lenovo has been selling it for $2000. Seems like a great option/deal. Anything comparable for price from other manufacturers?
there's not really any games that use all that power yet.my old 17" 120hz, 1440p, Alienware with i7 and GTX1080 with 8gb and 16gb ram plays all the latest games on flat out specs no problem. so why I want to spend thousands for what? half of these new laptops have over heating problems. or just buy a Playstation 5 done. buy used you get way more for your money. I've had a lot of laptops fail being the graphics card or motherboard from heat. I now using a cooling pad and desk fans to help keep my laptop cool. I think heat is a major problem with gaming laptops.my old Alienware has a number pad that I dnt need and lights up all the keys. so new is worse haha. and my old Alienware has Steel series speakers standard.I use a 60% separate Ducky one 2 mini Mecha. is the way to go and doesn't get warm like trying to use the laptops keyboard.
@@NVGEAR and when the 4080s come out some would advise you to wait for the 5080 or the 4080ti basically tech is always improving there will always be something better or improved next year. But if this year's model plays nearly all games in ultra at native screen resolution at 100+ fps why wait for something next year that improves this by 20fps when you won't even see a difference. To me it makes more sense to wait for a screen update. The power that this has is already overkill for 95% of the games out there.
None at this point :) rtx4000 mobiles be promoted at ces … wait if you can, but I’d choose Lenovo as dell have gone off the boil in the past 2 years imho … I have the x17r1 but it looks basic to me, Alienware support thou is amazing.
The forever going issue is not the best cpu gpu but how to cool them, they cant run in 28-34 degree celcius ambient, I have started keeping 2 raw eggs over my keyboard so that from morning to evening i have 2 slow boiled eggs ready for eating. Works well.
I'd really love to see Asus Rog Strix Scar 17 SE and MSI Titan Gt77 compared to Alienware X17 at this point. Asus is almost as powerful as Titan, Titan has the 4k screen. Asus's screen is quite dim, but color accurate. I am not sure I understand all the talk about premium quality built. When something feels overly luxurious, it just makes me feel uncomfortable in front of people who cannot afford this stuff. Also, it makes me uncomfortable using it, since I am worried I might break it
I bought this with the i9 12900H , rtx 3070ti, 16gb ram , Full hd 360hz display at price of 2300CAD + Almost 300 CAD cashback by dell rewards+ Rakuten. is it good deal?
If your looking to buy: i have owned all three versions of the Alienware x14, 15, and 17. The 14 although very nice size was very loud and the fans were on full blast even in Minecraft. I also noticed my screen actually bent and wouldn’t lay flat. Maybe a faulty model? My x15 R2 is very good build and although it’s bigger than the 14 it stay much quieter and i carry it with me to class every day without much problem. I would go for the x15 over the 14 for sure unless you really care about the size. The 17 ran about the same loudness as the 15 and honestly i ended up going with the x15 over the other two. Just my experience 😅the x15 got some bad reviews but in my opinion it is the best size and the performance although maybe less than the 17 it lapped the 14. Thank you Mash you videos helped me make my decision you are very thorough and keep up the great content
Any problems with The keyboard or Windows RAiny on the X15 R2?
@@elrafas2366 i had problems with the Alienware system on the x14 but so far the x15 has been flawless and the keyboard is great to type on!
Thanks for the great review! I was actually waiting for it, but because I couldn't postpone buying a new laptop anymore, I have decided to go with Lenovo Legion 7 with 12800HX and 3070 Ti due the diminishing returns of 12900HX and 3080 Ti - I used to own 2 Alienwares, but actually for roughly the same price around 3000 EUR one could get either the one that I've bought or the AW with 12700H and QHD display - knowing that AW has some thermal issues with x17 r2 (I have also experienced them on my old 17 R4 with GTX 1080), worse processor, and that it's officially isn't sold in Czech Republic (unfortunately we're way too small market for companies like Dell, Google etc.) made me confident that Lenovo is the better choice. The fact that it has smaller screen is not a big deal for me because I've got myself wonderful Alienware AW2721D display with AW510K keyboard. So far, I've been using this laptop for a few days and yeah, there are some things that could be better: like try to disassemble it to install 2nd SSD - for me it was a nightmare despite the fact that I'm more of an advanced user with iFixit complete toolbox, necessary knowledge and practice in electronics repair, lack of Windows Hello, somewhat *different* keyboard (it's not worse than on the AW, it's just different), missing mini-DP port (not relevant for everyone though) ...but even though Legion isn't perfect, it's damn close for me to be the one and I have no buyer's remorse🙂 The screen is great and good enough for some semi-pro work IMO not even mentioning media consumption. For pure gamers playing games at QHD or higher resolutions the difference between HX and H(K) processors probably isn't worth a higher price (I mean if you consider maybe similar laptops from other brands since in this situation it's clear - HX is a better processor for the same money), for those whose daily life isn't really only about the gaming and includes some CPU-intensive tasks I'm sure you'll be better with more cores (i.e. HX is a better choice for you). I would disagree with sound quality evaluation though - maybe because it's not the same to hear it through the mic in a video, maybe Alienware did something in order to improve the sound quality, but I've heard AW a couple of months ago and I'd say that Legion is better - not that it matters for me because I think all of these laptops are crap in terms of music quality😄(excluding perhaps only Macs), I only use headphones or HiFi system, but for background listening to a radio, podcast etc. sound quality of Lenovo is alright.
I was expecting the legion to be better but when playing the same track side by side the Alienware did sound slightly better though neither was amazing by any means! Just a tip on opening the Legion, I found a suction cup on the front corners with a. little pressure helped opening the clips to get my pry tool in. Still much more difficult than it needs to be though
I’m waiting for the 40 series GPU’s at this point. I have the x17 R1 and have enjoyed it. Surprised the speakers were better on the x17 tbh. Thank you!
So was I! I think they have improved the speakers over the life of the laptop via driver updates and although still not amazing they are better than on release
Of course alienware is better than lenovo. ua-cam.com/video/Ev7Hsp4NFIQ/v-deo.html
Good video, I hope that by next year Alienware improves its X series laptops since they are good in construction but there are some small things that should be modified just like Lenovo
I purchased an Alienware M15 R7 a few months ago. I had to get three replacements for various issues, one for CPU overheating, one for display, and the last for power supply. When I got the new power supply I sold the Alienware at a loss and purchased the Legion 7i... WOW, what a difference. The Legion has not had one issue everything has functioned perfectly. I believe Alienware has become trash in regard to quality control. I loved my first Alienware but will likely not buy the brand again after the last. The Lenovo Legion is rivaling my Macbook for work, it is all-around solid! Initial comparisons between the Alienware and the Lenovo are cool, but I would love to see how yours compare 6 months down the road.
Lenovo takes the Lead.
My x17 r2 has a problem where I can't update my bios and the USB c ports do not work. I'm in the same boat.
@@me-hk4ic Sorry to hear this. My Legion is still working great and I'll be sticking with Lenovo for my Windows-based laptops from here on out (I do my work on a Macbook Pro). Alienware just isn't the same.
@@rons3486 Currently trying to decide on the Eluktronics Hydroc 16 or refurbished legion 9i from ebay.
Hi Dave, I want to say a big thanks to you. I have gone for the Alienware X17 r2 3070ti with 4k screen to replace my 2014 Alienware. The build quality and packing & service really seal it for me as competitors are so closely matched. Annoyingly, I now can’t live without Windows Hello😀
Hello Ahmed i just stumbled onto your comment but i used to own a gaming laptop my uncle gifted me before he enlisted it was a ASUS ROG with a 3050 and i7 but it was good. But sadly 2-3 Months ago i broke the screen on accident the laptop was my everything and was my key to happiness. Let me get to the point though Ahmed if your not gonna sell or use the laptop can you please consider following up with me and hopefully try and get the laptop to me. If you cant i 100% understand but if you do consider helping me then god is good. Great day.
@@arslan479 I emailed you.
Great comparison video, I've got the Legion 7i Gen 7 and been using it for a couple of months now. I love it, I wanted something a bit more portable then a 17 inch laptop but with 17 inch power and it's perfect. I can run it in quiet mode with no fan noise on a 100w usb c charger and never skips a beat for portable tasks. Then get home and hook it up to the 300w brick, bump it to performance and play what ever game I want. For portability and heavy gaming I don't think anything beats it currently
I have the AMD version got it open box in excellent condition for 1350. I was STOKED.
X17 T2 easily beats it. Legion 7i built is stupid built quality. The laptop start to fall apart in a year. Bad choice
@@letsplay6307 considering the build is brand new, that's just an assumption. So far it hasn't skipped a beat or shown any wear.
@Tony N hey I am going to buy the legion 7i gen 7. What is ur opinion of the laptop. Should I go for the alienware x15r2?
@@krithikrajavelu6096 I'd go Lenovo and save the extra few hundred. You can use those funds to upgrade ram or get a larger SSD
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Thanks for this video. 🙏
Enjoyed this review. Very balanced and fair assessment of both. My Legion 7i (same model as reviewed) will be arriving Monday. Can't wait!
Great review, can't wait for lenovo legion 7i gen7 intel vs AMD version 👍👏
Can't wait for Lenovo legion 7i gen 7 vs Lenovo legion 7 gen 7.. Intel vs Amd and pls compare mid end specs of both laptop
David from MASH IT! Your channel is growing in all aspects and I'm loving it. Great content, editing and even frequency. Keep doing your thing! 🙌
Great review Mash! You deserve more subs. Both look amazing! The Lenovo looks almost as nice as the Alienware too. Keep up the
good work.
Thank you mate :)
Excellent reviews thanks! I have the old Legion 7i (11th gen, 3080) and it more or less has the same chassis as the new one. The primary reason I picked the Legion over the Alienware X17 is portability. The Legion has the footprint of a 15" laptop yet packs a 16" screen and that small footprint makes a massive difference when lugging it through airports. I wish Alienware would make the design of the X15/X17 slightly thicker and lose the large footprint. The secondary reason I chose the Legion was value for money in terms of warranty, they are way cheaper than Dell for the equivalent onsite warranty.
The legions only look similair, but have quit different chassies. Look at the air exhaust on the left and right side of the 2022 version. It might not look like much, but the newer models don't need to rest their weight on the exhaust covers when carried around in a backbag. Gen 2020 had reportedly some broken exhaust covers because of this design. 2021 version fixed it with better material for the covers but with 2022 model the issue is now gone completly. Which is a good thing.
Also because of that, opening the legion is easier now.
The new rounded corners look different (although don't have much aditional value). In my opinion it looks more professional.
@@Sachrial1 Interesting, didn't know that thanks. So far no issues with mine thankfully.
@@rossdev
Don't worry, there are no reports so far that your generation legion 7i has issues with broken vents. Just keep in mind to not smash / force your 7i into your backpack or similar, since the vent cover is off-standing a little, and you should be fine. But I gues you are taking good care of your 7i anyway, that comes naturally with a $2800 price tag ;)
@@Sachrial1 I baby it alright lol, got mine for €2300 in a flash sale last year. No such luck this year sadly.
I had the Legion 7i for about a month and now have the X17 R2 (returned the Legion due to fun whine at low loads, and they had no replacement devices and zero customer service).
Spot on agree on build quality easily going to the X17. But conversely the HX is crazy fast in the 7i, better webcam, and that port layout is perfect.
Have to disagree on the screens though. Maybe I got unlucky, but my 7i was nowhere near 500 nits and the X17 version with 1440p is vastly brighter and just better all around with color and contrast.
I still have some testing to do on the X17 (due to that second SSD with no heat sink delaying my Linux install), but initial impression is also it handles heat better, as you said esp. over the longer haul, but in my view also internally.
Both really great machines. Pretty happy I ended up with the Dell though.
PS - if you are in the EU, order the mechanical keyboard and save 100 euro! Crazy, but yeah... local language (German in this case) standard keyboard cost 100 euro more than international layout mechanical keyboard. It is a great keyboard.
EDIT - and thanks for the video! This is just the comparison people need to see!
Is the whine you hear coil whine or from the fan, and was it only from certain angles? I'm quite sensitive to that, though the laptop will be a few metres away from me.
Enjoy your content, would have loved more information about the physical CPU/GPU setup. Upgradabilty if that’s even still a thing. Whats soldered, and what isn’t.
Lenovo used to be my favorite keyboard, until I tried the X17, and nothing is going to beat that on a laptop
I like your reviews
Thank you very much.
Watching this by my X17r1 and could not be more satisfied with this machine, the mechanical keyboard is just too fricking good, I even put aside my mechanical keyboard to use this laptop keyboard. Design and built quality will always be the main reasons buying Alienware X series, they just look and feel so good compared to others on the market. Unfortunately, although the speakers are sound bigger on the X17, mine have an issue that the left one keep making cracking sound when playing above 50% volume, I planning to call Dell support service to get myself a new speaker and see if that fix, hope so because some people and even the tech guy of Dell said this issue could not be fix even if you replace a new speaker, this is a major flaw of the X17 lineup that I hope Dell to fix it as soon as possible in the future.
Sorry to hear about your speaker, I didn’t have the issue with my r1 so I am sure they will be able to fix it
Had the same issue with my x17 r1, but after a while that same left speaker is now damaged. It still sounds but the volume is like 70% lower than the right one since it got damaged. Definitely need to replace it, but I hope this cracking thing that originally happened is not the reason why the speaker got damaged after a while
for the Alienware I would recommend getting an USB hub or if you use an external monitor just connect the monitor's USB output, for convenience. Dell also supplies the heatsink if you buy the extra SSD from them. That said with the new generation of Intel CPU and RTX 40xx using almost 1000W combined I doubt the next generation of gaming laptops will be real desktop replacers ... I just can't imagine the next gen of laptops venting close to 1000W of heat.
Even the monstrous gaming laptops were never close to the energy consumption of the equivalent desktop components. It has been that way and will stay like that for the 4000 series too.
@@rjh8560 I just think the gap is much bigger with 40xx and intel 13 series than it was before ..
As usual, an awesome comparison in Mash-IT style. Loving it! 👍
I currently own razer blade 15 2022 i9 3080Ti & battery life is horrible. I gotta use it plugged in all the time.
Just wondering whether it’s safe to use gaming laptop plugged in? Safe, I mean in aspect of long-term battery life & device hardwares’ health.
Thank you!
It's not a safety problem, you SHOULD use gaming laptop plugged. The battery on a gaming laptop is more like a emergency energy for you to save your data...
You never fail with these videos!
Thanks so much! This one should have been out a while ago but our primary mic failed so had to reshoot the middle section 😂
Great comparison as always, mate.
Thanks mate 😀
Amazing review, exactly what I needed. I think im going with Alienware, even though i wish it could come in a 16in screen size.
Thank you for this great content
they are making an x16 this year but it is very expensive
Which is better the legion 7 or the legion 7 slim and what is your advice getting the intel version or going with the ryzen version ?
Commenting for when he replies
Could you start comparing entry level specs of these machines, because I know most of us can't afford the higher end and it'd give us a lowest threshold perspective of their performance
Being a small UA-cam I haven't had the budget to buy multiple models, I will certainly try to get some entry level models in as we grow in size
Hi, nice review. I have to ask u a question (and also to all u guys).
Yesterday I was playing God of War 3 on my legion 7i (with 3080 ti and Intel i9, 32gb ram) and the monitor shut down becoming black while pc was still running... What can it be?
Would love a comparison of the X17 R2 and the all AMD M17 R5.
I did plan to make that video but the all AMD m17r5 I received has massive issues and I had to return it
@@MashITTech oh no! Mine has been fantastic so far. Aside from lag during gpu switching. What issues did yours have? We had units specced identical.
David, the Alienware was at 4.3ghz during the game vs 2.6 to 2.9 on the Legion.. I am not surprised therefore the Alienware CPU temp was much higher.. that must be taken into account, or since the Alienware is unlocked, limit the multiplier to 29 to get the same clock speed and an apples to apples comparison, no? The Alienware was pulling 107w on the cpu vs a max of 40 on the Legion LOL.
That's a really good point! Alienware alway let them run flat our but the smaller legion is much more conservative under combined load
I really wanted to see the legion brick vs alienware brick side by side, a bit of miss opportunity, but good overall comparison.
yes really sorry about that! when I get a chance I will try and get a photo pf the two together up
Thank you for watching!?. Nah! We thank you for comparing these two laptops :)
Also, what are the chances of Lenovo adding mini led screen , OLED screen and possibility of adding windows hello on the next laptop? I think they might add something new and showcase it when CES comes
I have been speaking with Lenovo’s EMEA Director who has stated that there will be some big changes to the Lenovo legion line up next year, I think they are putting more and more focus on their legion line so will keep fingers crossed and give you more info as I find out
@@MashITTech nice. Next year I'm definitely ordering their new line up. I can't wait any longer .
@@MashITTech Anything involving how quiet they are? If it's significantly quieter, I might hold out.
So I had a question, currently I have an Alienware x17 r1 but it always has so many problems so I'm looking at getting a different one. Do you have any recommendations for a good AMD one? Also is it possible to do a video on how to clone ssd's?
Also was looking at the legion 7 slim as well as the legion 7i. Which one has better performance with one being Intel. Is there any problems between the graphics card and the processor like there was in gen 11?
Don’t know what you went with but the legion 7 gen 7 amd advantage is easily the best all amd laptop.
I want to ask a question what is the diffrence between the alienware m and x series which is better
X
Are the alienware keyboards really that satisfying to use? How would any of you describe them if you own one of these machines.
The BIG issue people saying about alienware is the thermal control. when a such power laptop is running, thermal is the KEY to release the performance. for build quality, TOUGH does NOT mean better quality, the air flow, how long a laptop hardware would/could last are other aspects of "build quality". my 2c!
Lenovo is Flawless..
Good video. X17R2 is great but at this point I'll hold out for the R3's.
On another note, does anyone know if the M15/17 line will change it so you can get usb-c to display port in their future models? As it is now, their current models have usb-c hooked up to the integrated graphics and not the dedicated, so you can't get gsync to external monitors. Not sure why they made that decsison for the M-line.
Yes they have really cut a few corners in the current m15 and m17. I haven’t heard any rumours about next years models yet
if yhe razer balde was in this review would it be the best or not ?
Hello,
Sorry this may not be a proper place for my post, but does anyone have any problems turning “ON” the power on the X17r2 from a cold start? Especially from overnight? I’m having these two problems below on two of the units that Dell sent me. Both units had the exact configurations like the one on this video ($4,000 USD). I have owned many Dell laptop & PC in the past 20+ years, but never run into this issues where the problems repeat itself after resetting the power.
#1) The laptop will not turn “ON” with or without the power cord connect and even with the batteries almost full. I even did a power reset by disconnecting both the batteries and power cord and which work for couple times and than will not turn “ON” again…🤦🏻♂️
#2) when the unit finally turn “ON” after multiple pushing of the power button (10-20 times) the laptop will turn “ON” but the keyboard will not work & no respond and had to use the transparent key to login instead…🤦🏻♂️
#3) The first unit I receive, the headphone jack was not working at all, windows 11 can not detect it🤦🏻♂️
Thanks for any input…
I am sorry to say this sounds like a fault. I have had 8+ x17 and x15’s this year and none have exhibited this issue. Get onto chat with the alienware support guys
@@MashITTech Thanks! My last resort would be clearing the CMOS, but thought I see if anyone experience these issues before I start tearing the unit…🤣
I would definitely return it if you're still under warranty. I've NEVER had any of those mentioned issues with my X17, not even once
@@diegovillavicencio3172 Thanks! It was a brand new order so Dell replace it with the third units and it no longer had those two issues anymore.
Should I buy a laptop on Black Friday or should I wait for a 40 series? All I want is a powerful machine
Uou need to wait black friday next year so x17r3 is available then
If you had to choose between the legion 7i or the amd 7 vs. the legion 7 slim/7i slim which would you recommend in regards to the 2022 models
The intel version is better.
But the amd version ain't far off,and should be cheaper.
Jarrod has some good legion 7 and 7i reviews on his UA-cam channel.(Jarrod's tech)
The slims will be good for a content creator that games on the side but the 7/7i is much much more powerful and has better cooling for heavy gaming loads
If you want great battery life and efficiency, get AMD.
If you want little more performance and more heat and not good battery life, get Intel.
Though the Intel's come with Nvidia GPUs while AMD come with AMD GPUs(advantage edition)
Every other thing is the same.
What is that screensaver? I love it!
Why aren't you using the Nvidia driver 522.25? Leaving free performance on the table...
This video wa shot a while ago but was sat in editing for ages as we have been so busy
Are you going to get the MSI titian GT77?
X17 R2 or Scar 17 SE for streaming?
Would you recommend going with the m17 r5 ryzen 9 3070ti or X17 R1 11 gen i7 3070? Can’t come to a decision
did you message me on insta? I would choose the X17
@@MashITTechYes i did we spoke earlier. I was trynna reach you on a few different platforms just in case you may not have had saw my comment i know you probably get hundreds
This is one of those situations where I listen to my heart more than my brain and think, 'Nah, the white / light grey machine is more my aesthetic." 😆
haha I am guilty of that too
You mention offers and discount codes always being available, where's the best places to find these?
Are you in the U.K.? I usually have vouchers kicking around
Still waiting RTX 40 series GPU. I have Scar 15 2021 1.5 years for now and so far I enjoyed it, except the lack of mux switch. Upgrading to RTX 40 mobile with zen4 mobile or RPL mobile will be the nice decision.
Yes, these 3000 series GPUs have been around a long time now, will be nice to have something fresh! I just hope Nvidia can manage the power consumption
Hi mate, quick question. A key hinge on my alienware m15 r6 has worn. Do you know where I could grab spare keys and hinges?
No, sorry! they are not daily replaceable! Have you spoken with tech support? maybe they could send you one
Until Alienware brings a QHD display to the X17 and brings the numpad back (with backlit for secondary functions please!!!), not going to be bothering with them at all; before Lenovo I had only gone with Alienware but since the Y740, there has been no reason to select Alienware. Too many compromises
They do have a QHD screen on the x17 r2
@@agent_smith9587 nope, they have a 15.6" 240Hz QHD panel on the X15, but 3 different 1080p (165Hz, 360Hz, 480Hz) panels for the X17 and a 4k 120Hz panel, but no QHD.
@@theguard1 what country are you from ? In the US we had x17 QHD now
@@agent_smith9587 looks like you're right about it being in the US. In Canada it isn't available yet. That's definitely a good step forward! Still missing the NUMPAD and backlit function keys though so maybe X17 R3 will get it right!
It is available in UK now too so sure you will get it soon
Where did you get the liquid background please?
It is an hdr video on UA-cam 👍
Can I mine crypto while play game on these laptops? Are these laptops gpu any good for mining?
Owned a x17r2, Have been going through 3 replacements and 6 screen replacements, all of them have dead pixels. Horrible QC.
Wow sorry to hear that. Was that the 4k or 1080p panel?
@@MashITTech 4k，today Dell gave me another system replacement offer, I really considered to downgrade to 2k panel...
Thanks for mentioning the heat on the keyboard deck of the Legion. I find that very annoying on last year's model that I have. A minus for me on Alienware is the Command Center software. It's terrible and easily the worst among the major brands.
Yeah, I always moan about the command centre but completely forgot to mention it in this video! You are right though, by far the worst software of any manufacturer
Can agree 100% with that. I have the x17 R1 and command center has never worked, can’t even register the games on my system.
I just reinstalled mine and now it works flawlessly, still needs 30sec to start up from cold start but less buggy overall
Nice review.
Btw, i actually like that the legion doesn't have windows hello IR and that you can disable the camera on a hardware level.
With all the privacy issues and bad rap China has, having a windows hello face recognition implementation might become a minus for legion 7 🤣.
i am so jealous of the X17 R2 owners that got that slim battery pack and not the beast that came with the R1
Yeah, that was a joke battery pack 😂
I'm still yearning for the legion. It's just too polished all around, without being offensive..
The sound on the Lenovo is Clearer!!!!
Great Dave! Best review as always! I think Alienware x17 Is It better. Build quality, monitor and correct CPU... So, good laptop for work and gaming without reaching hot temperatures.
P.s. will you make a comparison between Alienware x17 r2 and MSI Gs77?
Thanks mate, I haven’t managed to get the gs77 in yet. I am so behind at the moment! I need an extra day in the week 😂 working on the t14 gen 3 with ryzen 6850u then I will try and get either the gs77 or legion Ryzen edition in
@@MashITTech thank you for your work...👍
it so crazy looking at this video and 5 months later Lenovo release a 13900hx and it trump the 12 series CPU
Haha so true, tech moves too fast 😂
Appreciate the videe. Question on pricing:
I'm looking to get the Legion with a 3070Ti. USA pricing is around 2000$, UK pricing is currently at £2,524.49. Anyone able to give me a heads up here?
Lenovo UK pricing is always terrible. Expect to pay slightly more than the dollar now thanks to the plummeting pound. Look out for a voucher to try and reduce the price further
@@MashITTech appreciate the response. I'm in South Africa so may need to ship from the US using a friend staying abroad. Looking at around 200USD for shipping to SA.
I bought x15 r2. How tio turn on rgb wave effect, i tried in alien fx software but didnt find option
Quick question about the specs, you said they are both spec'd with i9's but the chasis of the Alienware says it's an i7. Was it just mislabeled by Dell or is it an i7 in there?
I have multiple X17 r2's and I just happened to put the wrong one in front of me for the A roll. Sorry about that. If you check my reviews you can see I have reviewed the i9 and the i7 version :)
the sound comparison may yield a different result if you use the Lenovo equaliser software - the default setting is garbage tbh
What is the max amount of ram for the Lenovo, is it 32gig or 64 gig?
32 in the website
64gb. I tested it with crucial memory
Can't tell looking at the X17 R2 if its chassis is made from metal or just some ultra smooth plastic, as for the price tag it's coming with I'm expecting metal all around but can't seem to find any reviews that touch on this subject.
Can we get legion 5i pro vs equivalent Alienware (15?) Comparison?
I did that one a while ago 😀 Alienware M15 R7 vs Legion 5i Pro - Mid Range Gaming Battle!
ua-cam.com/video/RnBkk6FE778/v-deo.html
@@MashITTech oh, thank you
@@MashITTech I'm looking at the highest spec 5i pro. 32 ram, 2 terabytes ssd, 3070ti...lenovo has been selling it for $2000. Seems like a great option/deal. Anything comparable for price from other manufacturers?
Thanks for another great video!
The alienware you bought has a i7 logo on it
so it was not equal bro
I actually bought a few x17's we had the i9 too but just used B roll of the i7 version
Alien has a temperature on the processor of 95 degrees in games, this is not very good
Which is the best when using a HDMI to a tv and the lid is closed
Legion! X17 has a lot of air intakes above keyboard and throttles with lid closed
there's not really any games that use all that power yet.my old 17" 120hz, 1440p, Alienware with i7 and GTX1080 with 8gb and 16gb ram plays all the latest games on flat out specs no problem. so why I want to spend thousands for what? half of these new laptops have over heating problems. or just buy a Playstation 5 done. buy used you get way more for your money. I've had a lot of laptops fail being the graphics card or motherboard from heat. I now using a cooling pad and desk fans to help keep my laptop cool. I think heat is a major problem with gaming laptops.my old Alienware has a number pad that I dnt need and lights up all the keys. so new is worse haha. and my old Alienware has Steel series speakers standard.I use a 60% separate Ducky one 2 mini Mecha. is the way to go and doesn't get warm like trying to use the laptops keyboard.
Does the legion support dual sided SSD? (4TB drives)
Only on one of two slots so 6 tb max storage
@@patricksutfin9374 thanks!
@@NVGEAR no problem I guess technically both slots can have double sided cards but one would be "cramped".
@@patricksutfin9374 we should hold off on buying any gaming laptops and wait for RTX 4080 versions coming soon right?
@@NVGEAR and when the 4080s come out some would advise you to wait for the 5080 or the 4080ti basically tech is always improving there will always be something better or improved next year. But if this year's model plays nearly all games in ultra at native screen resolution at 100+ fps why wait for something next year that improves this by 20fps when you won't even see a difference. To me it makes more sense to wait for a screen update. The power that this has is already overkill for 95% of the games out there.
I sent my alienware r2 back since they stupidly didn't conmect the gpu to the usb-c pipe. Basically worthless for high end vr use (index, vive etc
Link to purchase the Legion 7i is not being provided
Yes sorry, it is only available from Lenovo at present
None at this point :) rtx4000 mobiles be promoted at ces … wait if you can, but I’d choose Lenovo as dell have gone off the boil in the past 2 years imho … I have the x17r1 but it looks basic to me, Alienware support thou is amazing.
Always love the Alienware's keyboard!
Yeah such a great typing experience
@@MashITTech It is shame though they do not offer secondary keyboard illumination😮💨
Agreed! Especially as the m15r4 and m17r4 and previous machines had it
Also, I noticed that you use a razer mouse pad that exactly similar mine 🤣
Haha I love razer mice and mice pads
The forever going issue is not the best cpu gpu but how to cool them, they cant run in 28-34 degree celcius ambient,
I have started keeping 2 raw eggs over my keyboard so that from morning to evening i have 2 slow boiled eggs ready for eating. Works well.
I'd really love to see Asus Rog Strix Scar 17 SE and MSI Titan Gt77 compared to Alienware X17 at this point. Asus is almost as powerful as Titan, Titan has the 4k screen. Asus's screen is quite dim, but color accurate. I am not sure I understand all the talk about premium quality built. When something feels overly luxurious, it just makes me feel uncomfortable in front of people who cannot afford this stuff. Also, it makes me uncomfortable using it, since I am worried I might break it
I will sure try and get them in
if you are prioritizing battery life on a gaming laptop, you are probably shouldn't be looking for a gaming laptop
People want to game and do productivity tasks while on the move, what you on about?
I bought this with the i9 12900H , rtx 3070ti, 16gb ram , Full hd 360hz display at price of 2300CAD + Almost 300 CAD cashback by dell rewards+ Rakuten. is it good deal?
That is an amazing deal! wow
@@MashITTech Small correction I bought M15R7
Still a really good price
@@MashITTech I've seen your reviews thanks for replying. 🖤❤️
sorry, I am already an Alienware fanboy, I dont think I am getting anything else in the future )=
Nothing wrong with that 😂
Legion 7i 100% why choose alienware?
USB 4?
The 7i looks future proof
Indeed.
what makes them put numbpad on a gaming machine
A lot of people love number pads on a gaming system. Personally I think it works well on a 17” but prefer no num pad on 15”
Most of users are not competitive gamers. They want a working + gaming + entertainment laptop.
This powerful laptops are also used by engineers or designers. Personally I don't care about the numpad, but I can see why many people do
I would want the keypad.
Legion 7i 2022 or rog strix scar 17 2022. which the best between this 2? used for 4k vid editing n gaming mostly. Anyone plss helppp meeeee
Both are good choices but personally I would take the legion
right now in uk there is option to have water cooling for laptops so go for PCSPECIALIST
There is but it’s quite a janky option. And on the initial run the pump was really noisy, has that been sorted now?
@@MashITTech will bring the news back after 1 week or so but judging by reviews and forums seems ok
Hmmm your Alienware has an I7 not an I9.
I have both the i7 and i9 but my i9 is only 1080p so I normally use the i7 in videos because the 4K screen looks amazing
Niether. Alienware m15r7 with 9 and 3080ti. Cheaper-faster and worry free. My IBM melted to my desk without overclocking it. IBM is shit.
Watching this video on the Legion 7i lol
Haha, hope you are enjoying it? I was just playing mw2 on my new legion 7 all amd version
Legion 4ever
Legion 7i wins bru
It's quite clear, that alienware is just another overpriced laptop, as always :)
wtf alienware 100 C cpu temperature in game😲4 fan for what?🥵
Dell let all alienware sit at 100c rather than throttle them back but the legion cooling is certainly better despite having 2 fans
dfdd
AW is crap any day……..