24-Core CPU Baked INTO This ITX Motherboard?!? 😲 | Minisforum AR900i Review & Test
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- Reviewing & Testing a motherboard that's got pre-installed CPU Intel 13900HX. How good is it?
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0:00 Intro
0:22 Sponsored Segment
0:43 Unboxing
1:30 Overview of motherboard - 4x m.2 !!??
3:30 Built in COOLER, BUT....
4:37 RAM Slots
4:59 Motherboard Headers
5:45 IO Of the motherboard
6:37 Testbench ...
7:37 The CPU - i9
8:05 IMPORTANT Note 1!
8:53 HX vs K
10:18 CPU Testing [13900HX]
11:50 SQUEEZING CPU Performance [OC]
15:10 Cinebench R24 CPU +GPU test [RTX 4070s]
17:19 Pricing...
18:30 One of it's kind! - Наука та технологія
Thank you very much for doing this video! I just asked you for this a few days ago. I’m glad you did it. You made the best creators videos and reviews. Blessings!
Nice review. You hit all the points, including the one minor disappointment I didn't notice until I built mine up. The lack of usb/thunder bolt 4 . Also I didn't find a usbc header for front of case. I'm very happy with my build and included a 4070 super ti highly recommend and seems on sale at company site.
Did you have a chance to grab total system at the plug power consumption numbers? This is a very interesting setup.
nice vid! hey can you do an video about the prebuilt Dell Inspiron 3020 or window prebuilt pcs for video editing to see if they are really worth buying.
Do you have any info on the idle power consumption? As I am looking for this kind of stuff, but I also know that the homeserver will not be doing much during the day.
How is idle/lower task power consumption? Closest to laptop (10W or normal PC 60-80W)?
hey tech notice, i was wondering what the best, of the best case is, if budget is no problem like if you have maximum water cooling and etc, which is quiet and good. i know that the fractal is good but its small so you really cant make full water cooling, was wondering what a good big case is? maximum like 67cm in height, would be intresting to know
The fan screws for the T35 will be 2.5M x 35mm. I picked them up on Amazon.
Does the CPU heatsink could be removed if I want to install a liquid CPU cooling system?
Great review! Also thanks for the windows key
i just bought one and i am having problems with drivers for the lan and other drivers where do we download drivers for it please help.?
windows does not auto detect the drivers and install them ...
I think is a good bang for budget, because if it performs like a 13700k, you still have to buy a good cooler for the 13700k. So, for 559 usd you get a good ITX mobo and an i7 13700k performance like cpu that doesn’t gets to hot.
You lose modularity though. Even if you don't plan on upgrading your CPU, in my experience, motherboards fail far more often the CPUs. And it would be waste to junk such a powerful CPU just because the motherboard dies. It has its niche market, but it's definitely not a mainstream desktop CPU replacement.
Yes, you’re right on that! Although is the same with a laptops, and still they have its use, but well, laptops are portable, so again you have a good point there 👍🏻.
@@nenoman3855 Yeah even if a DIMM slot dies, you can't use that powerful CPU in any other build, like throw it in a homeserver or such. Such a CPU would be limited by the cheapest component that went into that mobo
Absolutely blown away by the in-depth analysis and clear explanations provided in this video! Your expertise truly shines through, making complex tech concepts accessible and engaging for viewers like me. Keep up the fantastic work, can't wait to see what you cover next!
Slight Request: Please review the Threadripper Pro 7995WX, it will be wonderful to see that!
Let's see if we can :)
Have you ever tested the Intel w1290P 10 core 20ntjread cpu? Got one in. Dell Precision 3640 workstation. Boosts up to 5.8ghz. Specs say 1 core max boost 5.3ghz, all core 4.7ghz and reg 3.7ghz. After repairing cpu mine ran at 5.8ghz all cores lol. Has apu on board too but is a 10th gen Intel cpu. Makes a nice budget gaming desktop. 2x my.2 nvme on board. Uses Reg PSU.
Probably some kind of motherboard limitation on 145w part… Did u checked VRM temps? 👀
I would probably not use the included heatsink for the M.2 drive and get an SSD that comes with a heatsink and put it under the fan, wish I could install a 140mm fan to cover the RAM and the second M.2 slot.
Great review, the board itself (power stages) will be the limit I think, but 145W is plenty for a mobile cpu or should be, MF also do a 7945HX version but only 2xM.2 with that. Having 32 threads is good, yes if only a bit cheaper ...
Would love to see how it preforme on lower TDPs, like 35, 65, 95, 105, 125w.
Alot of power that you could fit in a smaller case with a slim fan maby not drawing the 145w.
Interesting really like it, I did some searching, specs state gen 5 on the M.2 drives as well as the PCIe 5.0x16, it does make a difference as im looking at 2x the price for gen5 M.2 and would love to see performance on that as well. Really like your presentation on this ITX mobo it made me want to purchase it, found it on Amazon 539.00 better yet P.S. it's in my shopping cart atm. I stand corrected the 4 M.2 are pci 4.0. wondering why if there is the gen 5 speeds are out why are we still using gen 4 in the latest mobo if we have 5.0 x 16 PCIe, still learning I am.
Why would you want to consume more power if your performance is already good?
shouldn't power cost go down at some point?
If you consider intel sockets dont really last that long, this makes a lot of sense, if not more than normal itx boards
Intel just got leaked about new LGA 1700 cpus. Believe it or not, it's the same as AMx socket now.
theres a leaks and rumors intel plan to make new CPU for LGA1700 they plan to follow AMD foot steps.
Is it true intel cpu don’t last long ?
@@rahulkamath6984 depends on how a definition of "Long lasting", as modern intel cpus like since 4th gen still being used with different gpu combinations. AM3 of the same time frame, didn't.
last long usually means same socket new tech
realistically the same mobo for 4th gen can handle the 9900k, but intel likes money@@baoquoc3710
I mean, sure, you could use the 16x pcie slot for a gpu, but I think that the better use for that would probably be a SAS HBA or a 10g or 40g or 100g network card (I am sooo sick of manufacturers only using 2.5g). this should make a great reasonably low powered file server head (particularly with the 4 m.2 slots) - you could do a raidz ssd pool and with an hba and external disk shelf you could do a ~48 disk raidz3 setup (I would go with a 6x 8 disk vdev raidz3 setup to keep rebuild times reasonable in the case of a 48 disk array). there are many good itx 2u server rack mount server cases out there.
Maybe the limit to not being able to pull more than 145W be related to it only having 1 cpu power connection?
One CPU connection should give you 300w+ like on other itx boards :)
I was waiting on some reviews for the MF BD790i and since they are sold out I may just get this one instead for the 4xM.2 and not having much IO. I've seen reviews and such for the BD770i with is the Ryzen 7 one so I know the Ryzen 9 one will be even better. They will help make a very capable small gaming pc with LP gpus like the 4060 and I think ASUS has a LP gpu coming as well. I hear so many people comment and complain about what the mobo/cpu boards won't do knowing that they are geared for a specific crowd but it's good to see channels like yours push them to see their limits. Great video!!!
It's back in stock for preorder btw. I just ordered one.
got 2 of these running with 4060ti and rx7800 buy it its a no brainer!!! I have 2 ryzen model as well but didnt like that those only have 2 m.2 ssd. this badboy has 4 m.2 and all are 4th gen as far as I know.
It's not going above 145w cause the cpu has already reached the maximum all core boost frequency, so anything beyond 150w limit has no effect
Also, Minisforum has a ryzen 9 7945hx 16 core and a ryzen 7 7745hx 8 core versions as well
I recently built a pc with the 7945hx and rx 7800xt and with AFMF enabled I can pretty much play most of the games at 1440p high with 240hz lock on my monitor
This reminds me of that ETA PRIME vid where he put a 4060 LP on the build.
yep, an alternative in the SFF/ITX build options
It is possible to flash a bios with the power limits totally unlocked by selecting the value RPLS8161 150W in the VR POWER DELIVERY item.
I made an updated bios ready to unlock them.
The performance changes completely even if I didn't go beyond 170W (fixed) so as not to overload the motherboard VRMs
Absolutely would've used this in my ZS-LRTX 13900K/4090 6.7L build.
It would've saved me a couple hundred bucks & allow direct die cooling. Replace the thermal paste on the die with liquid metal & the temps would be even better.
Does the motherboard allow for undervolting in bios or XTU? Easy 2K-4K R23 gain there, if so. Also, the TTC offset in bios may allow for more wattage (it essentially controls the max temp), which is why your wattage was being ignored & temps were always the same.
All i know is im more satisfied with my 13900hk ES that can go past 5ghz all core. With a 47mm cooler to boot!
When can we expect i5 14500 review? :)
what termal paste did they use???
also was he drunk today????? 4060super, 5600mhz ect
Hi im Using i5 12400f processor its hitting 100° Degree While Using Handbrake Encoder is there is any solution
Off turbo boost technology in windows
Great review! What's a good case for this? Any ITX case?
Yes, any :)
Thanks a lot! What model is your test bench?
with lower power cpu this would be interesting for me -- i wonder if bios has cTDP settings to limit power to say 60W?
you can always use XTU and set the power how you like it :)
Would have been great if you'd had shown the bios setup.
idk whats your monitor / resolution setup but numbers are hard to read at 1080p 24"
R U making content for yourself or for viewers? ^^
18:35 Everyone has probably talked about the Erying boards with 10th - 13th gen laptop processors. I first saw them with Craft Computing
Dope 🎉🎉🎉
Can you do a review for the bd790i with the 7945hx as well that would be awesome
Sold out and they won't ship anything.. I ordered mine 2 weeks ago .. I'm canceling and going with 7950x3d and Giga itx
I'll have a look if I can :)
@@theTechNotice thanks mate you are nr.1
@TheMeta516 Well, I finally got in touch with Minisforum tech support on Skype, and they told me nothing will ship out untill middle of March because logistics .. Chinese New Year holiday .. which is bullcrap.. CNY is Feb8-Feb14 .. they just don't have any BD790I hardware to ship. I canceled and got a B650 itx Gigabyte and paste a 7950x3d on it .. already shipped .. Screw Minisforum, they are so full of it ..
@@samm928 do not go gigabyte PLS
5:20
If you look closer in the pcb you will see that there is no RGB control chip, in other words that is the reason why there is no RGB connector, this board simply does not have that feature.
It looks like you could use those M.2 slots for extra USB, SATA, and 10 Gb ethernet ports.
at 0:35 can you upgrade it to something better ? like windows 7 or kde neon
For USA we can only get the AMD Ryzen 7 7745HX-BD770i, Can't find the intel 13900HX.
It's on their website!
Please show me where, I couldn't find it in the USA website. I know it's on the UK website, but not on the USA.@@theTechNotice
Would like to see one with an Intel core ultra 9 185h.
The community members on Reddit have unlocked the Bios and enabled all overlooking options
They should have used two separate thermal pads over the 2 NVME's, because as you did it the sticky pad will collect dust and probably be unusable by the time you add a second NVME. I would have cut the film in half and put one side back on where not needed.
I really want something like this in M-ATX. Ditch the back M.2 give me 2 SFF-8643 ports and an extra PCI-E slot for an LSI card. Perfect for a NAS/media server.
Or something like the CWWK AMD-7840HS but M-ATX without wasting all the PCI-E lanes on why to many Ethernet ports.
you should mount 2 nvme disks to make raid 0 for performance
This is indeed very interesting. Powerful and efficient cpu. I would happily buy this, except from the looks of it, the build quality needs improvement. If only they made the cpu replacable (like the asus ct-479 adapter back then)
To get maximum performance in single core you must disable in BIOS: VT-d - VMX - HyperThreading - C states
tempting but you also have to consider the manufacturer's track record on motherboard making. I'd try something like this if made by ASUS.
Looks like Erying might have given a little inspiration here.
would this be good for streaming?
Yeah!
The BD770I & 790I are pretty solid AMD offerings too. Less PCIe slots. But, still retains that gpu slot.
I think the prieces needs to be lowered thanks to the lost upgrade path (Am5) - i think between 350 to 400 Euro.
This one is amazing
buying links are broken
That little thing is a powerhouse
This could make one hell of a NAS.
I think there is another one not as powerful as this one with 6xM.2.
@@heirtothethrone000where? Oo
Just add that new 4060 Ti 8gb card with the integrated NVME for 5 drive slots! Hmm that would be kinda wild in a smol build.
ITX is the future!
Great video and thanks for the windows discounts!
Does this board support bifurcation?
I think there is a current limitation, not a power limitation on this.
GPU mountable motherboards the future
Ah yes, nothing says UA-cam like a sketchy key reseller sponsorship
I've owned a fair few "cpu in board" mobos, dating from the original mini-ITX EPIA-5000, which i still have in some box somewhere, to newer Atom/Celeron's. I'd never buy this for "general use" as it's way too expensive if ANY part goes south. It's basically laptop cost territory without laptop benefits...
I hope it doesn't sell almost anything, because otherwise, a bad future will be heading in the PC one that we already went through in the past when processors were soldered to the board and users could not adjust what we bought depending on what we wanted to have, but it depended entirely on the assembler, who normally makes the assemblies that they are interested in and if not, They force you to pay a hell of a lot more for a superior one.
Powerful computer, strong CPU, combined with Windows 11 pro so perfectly
i think mobile cpus just have stricter firmware(power draw) so you can't empty the battery. maybe in a generation or two that will cease,but we'll see.
Im itx team, but this 2 pcs behind are piece of art
6:45 - It should have been called the 4060 Super.
Why are manufacturers still adding USB 2.0? They should just keep using 3.1 as it's backward compatible anyway.
Usb 3.1 needs far more traces, and on a small motherboard theyre difficult to route.
@@tkpenalty Yup, USB 3.1 is a whole ass ordeal to support. It's not as casual, no-brainer decision that most think it is.
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The board was designed for VM, server, NAS utilities
look like perfect nas+home cloud
With the open back exhaust on the built-in heatsink, you could actually skip top-mounting a fan if you used a super-slim case (I'm thinking 1U rack mount) with positive pressure airflow to blow through it. That would allow for a super slim build, perhaps in a keyboard drawer under your desk or, as mentioned before, in a small 1U case (one of the shorter 18" depth ones perhaps) you could mount there instead and not even need a full rack setup. Plus cable management would be a breeze, haha.
Does the BIOS support 8x8x bifurcation?
I think I recall someone saying that there was a bios update that enabled bifurcation on these.
I surely hope so. For a dual NVLinked 3090 workstation, this would be awesome and compact.
This doesn't really make any sense for a purchase since the 8600g is already out and that 8700g is a monster.
BTW Awesome quality content.
Thanks for the CD Key bro!
Not bad for $399 USD on Amazon
Look again, this one is not on amazon yet. That you’re looking is an amd version, with an Ryzen 7 7745hx if I remember correctly.
whoever is coughing behind i hope he is well
downside of 4x m.2 is = no SATA Ports. But seems this is rather more a ITX Tiny Gaming PC Mainboard then a Workstation.
I bought it for my mini itx build to pair with rtx 4060 low profile.
How is it
@user-hy4xz1qt9h is all good. Temps reaching 80 easy. I have 7.3 litre case quite small with not much ventilation. To give better temps I will mount 2 x 120mm external fans. Although 80 - 90 degress under load is normal temps for 13900hx. Everything else is fine
@@algatronalgirdas thanks for replying. do you play games or make music
@@user-hy4xz1qt9h I build mini pc mostly for gaming and a bit of other work. I have also gaming laptop which is now going to be used for other tasks. Before I used gaming laptop for gaming and work.
Disable Hyperthreading for much better performance..
This way the CPU will run much cooled.
You will be able to increase the single core performance..
It's essentially a laptop mini-itx build.
but is it fit for CreAtOrS?!
that motherboard combo is 700USD or 550£.
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Result of what if thinking😂
👍👍👍👍👍👍but 64 Gb ????🤔for?................
As much as i love idea of motherboards like that - i will be honest with 1 thing... i am totally skipping minisforum product because of that cooler - it is just bad
Erying on Ali currently only gives mobile Intel options - but from 10 to 13th gen and also in mITX and mATX
and Erying one alowes for ANY kind of desktop cooler to be used :/
You could get a mac m2 mini for the same $ and get similar performance for creators
Well, this here is hugely expandable, Where's Mac Mini isn't... :)
@@theTechNotice it's pretty limited. The Mac has a better integrated GPU and external storage is easy to add. It also offers a faster 10gb ethernet option. This has limited pcie slots so only an expensive GPU, and possibly more storage. Neither is really expandable, but the added internal nvme are nice, but mac can use fast thunderbolt storage in potentially much greater amounts.
@@barryobrien1890 lol. Compare how much it would cost to have 96gb ram in a mac studio, and INTERNAL drive with fast speeds such as pcie 4.0 (7000mbs seq read write) OR even pcie 5.0 speeds if not using an external gpu . However if you put an AMD gpu in this, you can install Hackintosh and murder the mac studio for 1/3 of the cost. No thunderbolts or 10gbe in this case, in other builds you could have those though. look into the Minisforum MS-01 for dual 10gbe and usb 4 slots, but slower gpu possible as well as cpu.
@@barryobrien1890 I have mine setup with 96GB of RAM, while the mini maxes at 32GB. So, 4TB of Storage (2 NVME), 96GB of RAM and an rtx 4060 £1600. While a similarly specced Mac Mini would be £3000 1/3 the ram and lesser GPU power, or £4300 for a Mac Studio with same amount of RAM. Now, Mine is for AI development, so it has a an RTX A6000, which makes is more expensive than the Studio, but in AI you need Nvidia and no Mac offers competitive option.
Bro installed Win10 on a new intel architecture with E cores loool and switched to Win11 without mentioning it
hi. why is this done?
If you are simply aiming for cost-effectiveness, it would be better to buy an i9 12900H ITX motherboard. You can buy this for around $300.
cool! but quirky
Intel turbo clock values are so scummy. You might hit that 5ghz for basically 5 seconds.
almost as crazy as these cheap windows keys 😅
AMD and Intel have had soldered on cpu for many many years. Even on full sized ATX
china have been putting mobile chips on desktop motherboards for years - you're a bit late to the party unless you were sponsored ! i think you secretly were