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  • @johnj.spurgin7037
    @johnj.spurgin7037 Місяць тому +16

    I agree that psychic as a keyword feels like a pure nerf. It's a problem.

    • @Khobai
      @Khobai Місяць тому +1

      flying as a keyword feels like a pure nerf too now. a lot of flying units dont even have enough movement to make effective use of flying but suffer all the downsides of having flying. I wish they would bring back a keyword like hover.

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 Місяць тому

      @Khobai that's an issue of FLY units not having enough movement. 4-6 inches extra SHOULD be enough for a triangle move up floor though.

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 Місяць тому

      @@Khobai also, Hover still exists it just exists in the context of SOME Aircraft.
      I guess there's KIND of a niche for Fly to move across buildings and the gaps between? The question is if vehicles can park on roofs or not.

    • @Khobai
      @Khobai Місяць тому

      @@johnj.spurgin7037 yeah but units like necron destroyers should have something like the hover keyword instead of fly. they dont really fly. too many units got the fly keyword and its mostly just a liability. half the necron army has fly which is ridiculous.

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 Місяць тому

      @@Khobai and yet I can't think of anti-fly being regularly used, at least in competitive.
      I know it exists, but who brings a hydra or Heldrake?

  • @real-lomas-chenko
    @real-lomas-chenko Місяць тому +10

    Where has "best armies in 40k gone trevvy"? I looked forward to that video every week and you haven't done it for about a month. Bring it back!! 🤙

    • @TacticalTortoise
      @TacticalTortoise  Місяць тому +14

      Those videos are very time consuming to do and views fell off super hard the last couple of weeks, so they were hard to justify when there was very little interest. Moved to a live-stream format for the time being: ua-cam.com/users/liveYTp_jW4I5yk?si=O21PaPn_y8y1tm48

  • @StrandsOfFate
    @StrandsOfFate Місяць тому +2

    I think a game wide rule where spamming units gets progressively more expensive would work. So take 1 unit of X at its face value price, take a second and pay a +10 points tax, take a 3rd and its +20. Make battleline exempt and I think this logic helps to stop everyone doubling (or tripling) down on overly powerful datasheets

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 Місяць тому

      I think the fact that some units get a sergeant model with extra options probably SHOULD be slightly taxed and that would be a way to disincentivize MSU spam maybe?

  • @kuiri231
    @kuiri231 Місяць тому +6

    Give all the chapter masters (Vulkan ect) +1CP in the command phase to match Azreal and Calgar, seeing as they don't even have rites of battle

    • @francoabad4911
      @francoabad4911 Місяць тому

      Dante gets hyper broken on Liberator AG

    • @bensemusx
      @bensemusx Місяць тому

      @@francoabad4911Ya Dante giving a CP too would be way too much. Would need a large points increase.

    • @Danish_raven
      @Danish_raven Місяць тому +2

      It should be noted that Vulcan is not a chapter master

  • @Shadow-bs8yz
    @Shadow-bs8yz Місяць тому +6

    Puretide chip update?

  • @wojciechprzewozniak597
    @wojciechprzewozniak597 Місяць тому

    For codex marines just bake in chapter tactics into special characters/units datasheets.
    For marines without any special characters (without now bake in chapter tactics) just give them significant points cut across the board in a Agents of Imperium style detachment.

  • @herendel
    @herendel Місяць тому +1

    Sister need to be nerfed but I'm afraid they do as for the ork...
    One detachment is to strong but the others ok or never use.
    On the increase were I'm not sur:
    - Increase seraphims ok but for T3 and 1 wound model there are already more expensives than jump pack intercessors...
    - Increase castigator ok, but they are already more expensives than SM/SMC Predator (because of an extra heavy bolter). And SM/SMC have also more ranged support units so you don't se only one unit...So the question is why do you see always the same units : to strong or only option available.
    - immolator are good because can split sister but they are like razorback , so nerfing dominion will nerf immolator maybe?
    On the other side for sure:
    Need an increase of St kath, Val, fire and fury enhancement in bringer of flame, dominions

    • @TacticalTortoise
      @TacticalTortoise  Місяць тому

      Good thoughts! However I don't think the comparison between Seraphim and JPI is great tho, because JPI are ALSO wildly undercosted and need to get hit hard IMO. The Castigator and Immolator both have hugely powerful army support abilities that IMO aren't accurately being accounted for in their cost. They're space marine tanks with 50-100% more output, better defenses, AND better special abilities, but only cost 15-20 pts more.

  • @ryanwhaley5041
    @ryanwhaley5041 Місяць тому

    I’d love to see the compliant units get a keyword that the strats targeted. That way you could still take DWKs or Sanguinary in Gladius or whatever but they wouldn’t get run and charge or other buffs. I think that’s probably the best way to keep the hugely welcome open nature of detachments without divergent chapters being significantly better.

  • @xeticus5435
    @xeticus5435 Місяць тому +6

    I see Bullgryns and Deathwing Knights going up.

    • @Baddass5
      @Baddass5 Місяць тому +1

      Bruh leave Deathwing Knights alone. There are so many other units that are way more of an issue 😅

    • @xeticus5435
      @xeticus5435 Місяць тому +2

      @@Baddass5 Anytime Space Marines get out of the basement GW pushes them back down this edition. I don't want it but I expect it.

    • @wojciechprzewozniak597
      @wojciechprzewozniak597 Місяць тому

      Ogryns are 130 for 6. Madude they are beyond ridicoulus. Got list planned "Fallout Supermutant Holocaust". Stormlord buffed by Maj.Hoarsie to bs3, sv 1+, with 12 fatties windowshooting with 72+35 shots flat2, 4 lasc, ignore cover&ap2-3 B.I.G style. If they stay at the points i may buy it. Its more of a fun list without any guard infantry bc it just sux unfortunately (for example vs orks, chaos, sisters AND FUKIN NECRONS)

    • @Baddass5
      @Baddass5 Місяць тому

      @@wojciechprzewozniak597 ogryn sound really cheap DW knights are 235 for 5 sure they are tanky as fuck but mortal wounds still are consistent counter. Walking away from them works also. Easy targets to dump shots into. Dark Angels have two things going for them DWK and Azreal and nerfing those two without giving them anything else brought up is aids and bad balancing

    • @insert-cony8379
      @insert-cony8379 Місяць тому +1

      Yeah, first, we must destroy Aberrants, second Bullgryns. Or whatever tanky thing for secure objectives. Isn’t it?

  • @azachan237
    @azachan237 Місяць тому

    So I actually sat down a couple weeks ago and wrote up some homebrew rules for shooty Orks. I'd be interested to know what you think of them!

  • @xeticus5435
    @xeticus5435 Місяць тому

    I think the best way to use Reivers is use them as Jump Pack Intercessors and just use them as the Reiver models.

  • @SeekerOf7ruth
    @SeekerOf7ruth Місяць тому

    Ork Buggies feel like they need their melee profile to be more consistent, or their shooting needs to improve to 4+ across the board for a majority of their ranged weapons. Their detachment wants to be shooting anyway, yes, but having to rely on Ork shooting of a 5+ *and* 4+ melee? They just don't feel impactful enough for damage.
    Buggies though, like quite a few other units or even whole factions, feel like they are paying for past sins.

  • @Leighszar
    @Leighszar Місяць тому

    I don't think the detachment needs nerfing. The units need adjustment.
    It's always nerfing nerfing nerfting.
    It's adjusting you need.

  • @inakimurga9536
    @inakimurga9536 Місяць тому

    Hi there, I play Sisters and I do agree with everything you said about increasing points for those units. I only play casual and crusade, so you have tried many more options since in competitive you go for the best. However, What I have realised is that Bringers of Flames is the most well balanced in terms of Stratagems and Enhacements. I love hallowed Martyrs, but It is so melee orientated that makes me think It twice as I prefer shooting or 50/50. In fact, some of the Stratagems do not work well, such as praise the fallen or sanctified immolation. Sisters die so easily that is difficult to make Praise the fallen worth, for instance. In previous editions as you could have 20 Battle sisters in a unit, that Stratagem was much better, in my opinion.
    Hopefully, GW only change point-wise as I find datasheet quite well.
    Thnx,
    Iñaki from Bilbao.

  • @davidring681
    @davidring681 Місяць тому +1

    I think terminators need twin linked on their storm bolters. That would fix everything.

    • @TacticalTortoise
      @TacticalTortoise  Місяць тому +2

      That'd be sick

    • @Khobai
      @Khobai Місяць тому

      i dont think the solution is making them more like aggressors. they need to be sufficiently different from aggressors. the purpose of terminators is to tank damage and hold objectives. I think giving them pistol on their stormbolters makes more sense to that end. I mean if an inceptor can fire into melee I see no reason terminators cant.

  • @ELIASFA3
    @ELIASFA3 Місяць тому

    Custodes need a codex rework, at the moment you're paying €60 for two lines (not even because it's in a balance dataslate)

  • @TheBlightspawn
    @TheBlightspawn Місяць тому +1

    Great video as usual, particularly your thoughts on Terminators

  • @randallmusgrave5138
    @randallmusgrave5138 Місяць тому +4

    I think 40k needs a points breakdown more like Horus heresy, make MSU cost a premium and full units discounted.

  • @perceus6488
    @perceus6488 Місяць тому

    I know that sisters are gonna get the hammer next points change. I’m expecting atleast the castigator, immolator, dominions, maybe vahl to go up in points but defenitely the triumph, by like atleast 70-100 points (still gonna take her every time) But I am hoping that sacresaints zephyrim and repentia go down a teeny bit

  • @mortenbrandtjensen6470
    @mortenbrandtjensen6470 Місяць тому

    It woild be cool if GW choose that path for Codex Space Marines and the currently stronger "DLC" codex supplements. As is it's making a mockery of SM chapters and SM players.

  • @StrandsOfFate
    @StrandsOfFate Місяць тому

    I'd love to be able to take Calgar without the Honor Guard for lower points as an option

  • @AnnaFianna
    @AnnaFianna Місяць тому +3

    CK Adjustment Needed: Make the Abominant viable. It is CK’s coolest model, and it has been trash since its release.

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 Місяць тому +1

      CK? I thought Abominants were a GSC unit?

    • @AnnaFianna
      @AnnaFianna Місяць тому

      @@johnj.spurgin7037 GW likes to reuse words… it is like they have a word-a-day calendar they reference…
      The Knight Abominant is the psychic one with power-tendrils for its melee arm.
      But yeah, it is also a GSC unit.

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 Місяць тому

      @@AnnaFianna ahhh my bad.

    • @Wes-xk6hl
      @Wes-xk6hl Місяць тому

      This idea is dangerously close to my true feelings. Which means it will never happen and you'll likely have bad things happen to you for even saying it

    • @travismahon7959
      @travismahon7959 Місяць тому +1

      The fact that it's big gun is 0AP and no anti anything is the criminal part that's keeps it unplayable at even 375.

  • @Kaldoran54
    @Kaldoran54 Місяць тому

    windmill slamming 3 wardens into a list is literally where i start lmao, but absolutely id love to include both venatari and allarus vs one or the other and i hate that most list building feels like choosing between the two

  • @DaZachy
    @DaZachy Місяць тому +1

    TWC dont really need a crazy point hike or nerf. Something needs to be done about stormlance though. TWC feel pretty balanced in CoR, but insanely enabled by Stormlance. Nerf the detachment, not the units

    • @MrNurse44
      @MrNurse44 Місяць тому +1

      Stormlance is hurting the Space Wolves and their Champions of Russ. It’s giving Space Wolves a false win rate. They need to specify the win rate of Champions of Russ.

    • @DaZachy
      @DaZachy Місяць тому

      @@MrNurse44 they do break it down on that stat check site. SW in Stormlance is at 67% win rate. Alternately, Champions of Russ is still on the high end of the middle at 54%, but that still warrants a “no touchy” based on the standards outlined by multiple people from GW and YT.
      I just also look at Dark Angels in Stormlance, and DA in that detachment have a 63% win rate, which tells me it’s a detachment that possibly enables mounted just a biiiit too much lol.
      Buff Outriders/Invader ATVs for codex marines, but nerf nerf nerf Stormlance. Stormlance has been overtuned to enable the underwhelming unit that are outrider squads, and the divergents are reaping the benefits

    • @jacket2848
      @jacket2848 Місяць тому

      If they nerf stormlance then all non space wolf players get dunked even more. It's a terrible detatchment held up by fantastic models from space wolves. It's literally useless without them.

    • @DaZachy
      @DaZachy Місяць тому

      @@jacket2848 dark Angels are also thriving in Stormlance. It’s because both wolves and angels have unique mounted units that are enabled way too much, while their own respective unique detachments are still in the middle, or in the dark angels case… lackluster. Not many marines players take Stormlance, and when they do, they are stuck with taking Outriders, which are not great. Buff outriders, nerf Stormlance, bring some balance back to marines.
      Alternate thought: cut off divergent chapters from the codex. Give DA and SW the Grey Knights treatment, and make balance changes as their own standalone faction.
      The TWC are tough, but not THAT tough, their mobility is just through the roof in Stormlance. Outside of Stormlance? They’re still good, but not game-breaking good. Their feel is like night and day.

    • @superkamigoru
      @superkamigoru Місяць тому

      Twc or the tw characters need a nerd. Its not the detahcmemts but how overtuned those units are.

  • @danielbalatoni3622
    @danielbalatoni3622 Місяць тому

    Thousand sons: wouldn't it be nice to pay for wargear again? I'm sick of power level, I want points back.

  • @JJTigs
    @JJTigs Місяць тому

    Giving space marines a split cost for non compliant chapters or just making normal space marine characters super cheap I think just feels bad. gameplay wise and headcannon wise like "these two characters are the same power but this one is just cheaper" I think the real issue is non compliant chapters having access to normal space marine detachments. GW should just make the non compliant chapters have good enough detachments that synchronize well with their own armies so that they don't need to use normal space marine detachments .

  • @jaydeeg3240
    @jaydeeg3240 Місяць тому +2

    No CSM ? Whole army is over costed besides the cultist detachment.

  • @orlandocecilia7141
    @orlandocecilia7141 Місяць тому

    Hope kroot get some love to make em viable, the new models are great but you rarely see them played..

  • @pqfire0950
    @pqfire0950 Місяць тому

    Allarus custodes arent trash, vertus kinda are, and dreads need a movement buff/shooting buff. Imo lol.

  • @georgehutley
    @georgehutley Місяць тому

    Just make it so if you want to play a non compliment chapter then you have to play their unique chapters. Would make it so much easier to balance EVERYTHING

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 Місяць тому

      I disagree on the move , for all it'd be easier to balance. I'd rather incentivize true vanilla marines with a rule for SM that they only get if they bring NO chapter specific units or characters. That doesn't fix the issue of iron hands, white scars, etc... but that really needs more characters like ultramarines.

  • @eppert75
    @eppert75 Місяць тому +4

    Give ork bikers fights first as a special ability, the dust clouds and exhaust are so thick the charging enemy gets disoriented.

    • @bensemusx
      @bensemusx Місяць тому +1

      Would be interesting. I think all ork guns just need more shots. They are inaccurate and weak. Give them at least volume.

    • @Jerseyangel89
      @Jerseyangel89 Місяць тому

      @@bensemusx i dont want more shots. Dreadmob is already backbreaking with the number of dice. I want stronger guns with more ap and more dmg. a big shoota is only S5 with no ap dmg 1. Sad.

  • @markomilijanovic630
    @markomilijanovic630 Місяць тому

    I get Space wolves need a nerf but TWC with characters, bjorn and sometimes wolfen are litteraly the only then that they have. They need to go up somewhat, but not 200pts+ for current lists. The comparison to Belial was kinda strange, as you can find much worse SW characters than Belial, but he was compared to the best. All of their first born units (witch they have a lot of), are litteraly useless.

  • @zacharypurdue4584
    @zacharypurdue4584 Місяць тому

    What of Tyranids? If there’s another video, let me know

  • @davidcanty7903
    @davidcanty7903 Місяць тому +2

    CK need new faction rules.

  • @jozefbucany2310
    @jozefbucany2310 Місяць тому

    35:50 psyket keyword definitely needs to do something. like... why is GK ven dread psyker? no psychic attack, no psychic ability, nothing. just pure downgrade and custodes sisters pwn his butt while not taking any damage bcs of FNP

  • @JEFFTHEBOSS-si3oq
    @JEFFTHEBOSS-si3oq Місяць тому

    when does the data slate come out

  • @radekkolar1265
    @radekkolar1265 Місяць тому

    For fixing spacemarines I think codexes has to be split, core book and DA aside, BA aside, SW aside etc etc. It's not possible to balance something that has 9 ways to play you buff something in core sm book - boom DA free buff, op now...ok, reverse that, buff something else? Boom SW free buff, op now... Not doable imo

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 Місяць тому

      It's too late to fix it this edition unfortunately, and the simple act is that the divergent chapters do use most/all of the SM codex's units, so it'd be a ton of photocopied unit datasheets and SOME detachments.
      My preferred solution is to give non-chapter builds of SM a rule you only get with no chapter units, be that ultramarines characters or divergent chapter units, and I like the idea of a chance to get more CP that ignores the per-battleround CP cap when you pop strats.

  • @arn1345
    @arn1345 Місяць тому

    I bet bulk of the power of sisters is the Triumph. I don't think the other Bringers of Flame staples need to get nerfed considering they're also used in other detachments. Sisters roster is too small to just hand out wise ranging nerfs like that.

    • @AnnaFianna
      @AnnaFianna Місяць тому

      I am not sure points are the right fix for Sororitas. Bringers of Flame is just Flamestorm +1. As you said, too many points adjustments will drag the whole book down - and while Trevvy said he feels that is needed, in general, I really don’t know that the whole book needs to be punished for a detachment being *built different*.

    • @bensemusx
      @bensemusx Місяць тому

      Also Sisters are generally a harder army to play. It will be very easy to knock them completely out of the top 45% if GW is not careful.

  • @PrinceAli2024
    @PrinceAli2024 Місяць тому

    do we know when the update drops?

  • @zlboyle90
    @zlboyle90 Місяць тому +1

    Reversing the nerfs to green tide, megatons and the pain boss would be great.

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 Місяць тому

      Ehhh, meganobs definitely didn't need the double whammy, but they WERE kinda OP with two turns of a 4+++ at 30 PPM. With the FNP nerfed to 5+ I can see them going down again.

  • @endymionm1374
    @endymionm1374 Місяць тому +2

    Kind of felt like a lot of the analysis was any unit that's good in an army i don't play deserves a nerf.

  • @alantheschmallan1933
    @alantheschmallan1933 Місяць тому

    Units that are not battleline should be taxed pointswise taken more than once. 1 unit? 100p, 2 units? 220p

    • @Gaddzilla
      @Gaddzilla Місяць тому

      That's a nerf to factions that have very few data sheets though. As a Votann player do I need to be taxed for running 3x5 Hearthguard?

    • @Khobai
      @Khobai Місяць тому

      @@Gaddzilla they should just require you to take at least two or three battleline units again. thats the easiest solution. it gets battleline units back on the table and it cuts down on spam of non-battleline units.

  • @micahdouglas2982
    @micahdouglas2982 Місяць тому

    No balance is coming until after Warhammer worlds.

  • @duskzer0816
    @duskzer0816 Місяць тому +1

    separate points costs already existed, for example, forgefiend in csm vs thosand sons

    • @TacticalTortoise
      @TacticalTortoise  Місяць тому

      Those are entirely different units tho; with different datasheet names and totally different abilities. Much different than the exact same datasheets being taken in multiple subfactions.

  • @thetimebinder
    @thetimebinder Місяць тому

    Can't wait for the 12th Aeldari nerf. 😢

  • @joshdown-wc7po
    @joshdown-wc7po Місяць тому

    No talk about how they massacred csm? Rules and heavy points nerfs at the same time wtf

  • @andrijaognjanovic6578
    @andrijaognjanovic6578 Місяць тому

    Do we have any conformation on it actually being in october? The update I mean

    • @TacticalTortoise
      @TacticalTortoise  Місяць тому

      Yeah they drop every 3 months, and the last one was in June

  • @titouanlange396
    @titouanlange396 Місяць тому

    Im surprised You didnt include a CSM "part" in the live what should be up/down from youre point of view ?

    • @TacticalTortoise
      @TacticalTortoise  Місяць тому +1

      Unpopular opinion; CSM are just fine

    • @titouanlange396
      @titouanlange396 Місяць тому

      @@TacticalTortoise fine yes i agree still i do thinks they lack internal balance ACDC just stomps other choice as well as some detachement feel far weaker than some but i guess dataslate dont change that i am right ?

  • @gilanthonyapostol7255
    @gilanthonyapostol7255 Місяць тому

    At least make the acastus knights more useful in 40k

  • @Wes-xk6hl
    @Wes-xk6hl Місяць тому

    I can't explain how mad it makes me that im already seeing articles talking about 11th edition
    For gods sake, we legit barely started 10th at this point. Not even half the codexes are out. If 11th comes out within the next 2 years i might quit for awhile again. Its so exhausting

    • @AnnaFianna
      @AnnaFianna Місяць тому

      It is unlikely that 11th wipes the slate clean, again, it will just be core rules adjustments, with the existing codices carrying into the 11th cycle.
      With a few exceptions, the edition has always cycled every 3-4 years, it was just jarring when 10th was a clean slate right after 8th was the same. They hadn’t invalidated codices and started from scratch since 3rd, previous to 8th.

    • @buttemountain
      @buttemountain Місяць тому +1

      I already decided I’m not moving to 11th unless it’s drastically better or more fun. But I stick to casual play

    • @AnnaFianna
      @AnnaFianna Місяць тому +1

      @@buttemountain I fully support that - have fun with your toys, for sure! I hope your next game is a blast!

    • @Wes-xk6hl
      @Wes-xk6hl Місяць тому

      ​@buttemountain yea this is pretty much the plan. I doubt I'll quit. More realistically, I'll just quit playing anywhere other than at my own house with my 2 friends that play 40k lol. I suspect they won't want to switch to 11th either and we'll just ignore it
      So it would result in me playing 10x less.

  • @lorenzosgarallino
    @lorenzosgarallino Місяць тому

    make reavers battleline and suddenly they are the greatest unit in the codex

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 Місяць тому

      Why would they be? They're still overcosted and have middling rules at best.

    • @lorenzosgarallino
      @lorenzosgarallino Місяць тому

      @@johnj.spurgin7037 deepstrike + battleshock @-1 + shoot&charge with lieutenant + OC2 + easy secret missions.

    • @jacket2848
      @jacket2848 Місяць тому

      Not even close, they still wouldn't be picked. People don't even want one unit let alone 6

  • @WontonDestruction
    @WontonDestruction Місяць тому +4

    1:08:19 CSM are in no way incredibly strong. What are you talking about?

    • @matthewfagnan4608
      @matthewfagnan4608 Місяць тому +2

      I mean at high level play it’s one of the best

    • @AnnaFianna
      @AnnaFianna Місяць тому +3

      Recent GT results don’t support that “they are in no way incredibly strong.” CSM rocking ACDC have been performing very well.

    • @facemite
      @facemite Місяць тому +3

      They literally just won a 850 person tournament

    • @WontonDestruction
      @WontonDestruction Місяць тому +2

      46% win rate according to auspex tactics, 42% win rate according to den of fools, with a relatively high player count. Derek from 40k Dirtbags achieved a lot of his success based off of two datasheets (AC/DC) and is the #1 ranked CSM player in the world, and a lot of people have since copied his list. And now the London GT was won by Liam VSL, one of the best players in the world. They're a faction that can play very well at the highest levels, not a faction that is inherently overpowered, which is what I would call 'incredible'. Aeldari at the start of 10th were incredible, not CSM in its current state.

    • @colouredIncognito
      @colouredIncognito Місяць тому

      ​@@WontonDestruction win rates alone is a very poor indicator 😅

  • @jaydeeg3240
    @jaydeeg3240 Місяць тому

    Make riptides ion gun stronger

    • @Khobai
      @Khobai Місяць тому

      then why would you ever use a hammerhead? the last thing the tau needs is for the riptide to make the hammerhead obsolete. the riptide needs another weapon system instead IMO, like a missile launcher or something. but it shouldnt get anything that would make the hammerhead feel bad to take.

  • @kevsim70
    @kevsim70 Місяць тому

    For going first, I don’t know why it’s not like it was in WHFB back when. There, the person who won the dice roll got to *choose* if they went first or not. If their army wanted to be going second, winning the dice roll let them pick that. Seems like giving the player the choice adds at least a small amount of player skill influence instead of being purely random.

  • @lorenzosgarallino
    @lorenzosgarallino Місяць тому +1

    TWC die very fast, you cannot up their cost more. Just nerf Stormlance synergies.

  • @lorenzosgarallino
    @lorenzosgarallino Місяць тому +1

    chaos knights: nerf the melta dmg, improve melee

    • @jacket2848
      @jacket2848 Місяць тому +1

      For one army that is struggling massively you want to take something away from them?

  • @dragozfirzable
    @dragozfirzable Місяць тому +2

    Make gsc great again

    • @insert-cony8379
      @insert-cony8379 Місяць тому +1

      Yeah, please. I miss old “return to the shadows” stratagem

    • @Mangyis
      @Mangyis Місяць тому +2

      All the characters that arent the lone op ones cost like twice what they should be xD

    • @insert-cony8379
      @insert-cony8379 Місяць тому

      @@Mangyis true

  • @alecryan5962
    @alecryan5962 Місяць тому

    What Chaos Knights need is for the three new wardogs to lose Battleline. If you couldn't fill an entire list with Karnivores and Brigands, the other datasheets would have a chance.

  • @lorenzosgarallino
    @lorenzosgarallino Місяць тому +1

    simple fix to 80% of the problems: if you increase the base unit model numbers, it costs you more than taking 2 separate msu

    • @bensemusx
      @bensemusx Місяць тому

      No that’s a terrible fix. MSU are taken because it’s more efficient. A larger squad should have a discount, not a tax.

    • @lorenzosgarallino
      @lorenzosgarallino Місяць тому

      @@bensemusx maybe. I see your point. nonetheless some units are rightfully pointed as msu and become overpowered when taken 3 times on full unit. maybe limit the number of big units so?

    • @radekkolar1265
      @radekkolar1265 Місяць тому

      That would kill necrons outside vehicle spam

    • @lorenzosgarallino
      @lorenzosgarallino Місяць тому

      @@radekkolar1265 I see only positives ;p

    • @herendel
      @herendel Місяць тому

      Well they have done that with sisters 😂 so not sur it the right approach

  • @nofuxgivens2797
    @nofuxgivens2797 Місяць тому

    Sk33t

  • @prudentparatrooper385
    @prudentparatrooper385 Місяць тому

    Rievers have DS. That's why they are so expensive.

    • @SeanHoltzman
      @SeanHoltzman Місяць тому

      Need more than easily screened 9" DS for them to be priced as high as they are. Theyre phobos AND DS so can DS redeploy/uppy-downy and 2 squads can do it at a time in Vanguard and theyve never even been playtested at their price.
      Ive run them in for fun in SoS since they have so many attacks but theyve hard underperformed for their points every time, even just as mission-doers with scouts at 65

    • @TacticalTortoise
      @TacticalTortoise  Місяць тому

      So do JPI lol

  • @Loubaddon
    @Loubaddon Місяць тому

    Leave sisters alone. They are fine

  • @CuriousLumenwood
    @CuriousLumenwood Місяць тому +1

    At this point I don’t believe anything GW is willing to do will help compliant space marines this edition. I’m just going to play my other army and make my marines look really pretty for the shelf until 11th rolls around.
    And the worst part is I know exactly how they could at least help with the problem. Treat the divergent chapters how they treat the 3 (soon to be 4) chaos god legions. Give them their own version of certain units and they can’t use the SM codex detachments. Fucking easy. But GW hasn’t done that yet for some reason so I have no reason to believe they ever will.

  • @orlandocecilia7141
    @orlandocecilia7141 Місяць тому +2

    First🎉

  • @real-lomas-chenko
    @real-lomas-chenko Місяць тому

    And were you piddled trevv!?! Naughty boy 😂😂😂

  • @marwie2598
    @marwie2598 Місяць тому

    I dream about separate codex for Ultramarines, we deserve for our own codex and fuck chapters like Iron hands, white scars, raven guard and others. Nobody play them

    • @johnj.spurgin7037
      @johnj.spurgin7037 Місяць тому

      I could see a "First Founding" supplement that gives you unique units and characters for the various chapters, but IDK if the ultramarines would have any unique detachments?
      This would also compartmentalize true vanilla SM, and they could give them a rule you only get if you don't bring any chapter-specific units in your army.