Career stats: 739-262 record 46 titles, 71 Finals 14 Masters titles, 21 Finals 3 Slams (2 W, 1 US) 11 Finals 1 WTF title 2 Olympic Gold Career High ranking: #1 Pretty legendary career. Sure he may look back and wish he had converted more of those 8 Major final losses but he always faced one of the 3 best players of all time. Sometimes his serve deserted him or couldn't win him free points, but he was almost level with Novak with his defensive counter punching abilities. Sliding on hard courts may have been one key deficit between Andy and Novak. He was a legit member of the big 4 for a solid 7-8 years, a clear #4 but firmly top 4 player and his 2016 season was a great way to cap off an exceptional career. Post 2016 was injury riddled and never the same player. Andy I salute you. Top 10-15 player of all time in my books and the 4th best player of the golden era.
Truly one of the best ever. Hard to compare him to the Big Three, however, from 2009-2017, aside from maybe Ferrer on clay, you knew that you were not favoured to beat Murray on any surface over any distance.
Been watching your videos for a while now, and I got to say, I think this is by far the best discussion I’ve seen. Really, insightful, thoughtful and interesting. Keep up the good work!!
Thanks for the interesting talk. I think sliding on hardcourt is a very helpful skill nowadays, since hardcourts are not as hard and tacky as they used to be in the past century where sliding on hardcourts would've been considered downright suicidal. And i think it's an essential skill for players who rely a lot on their defense and a counterpunching style. As for the state of British tennis, i agree that climatic reasons are major factor. Just like in Scandinavia, summers are short, showers are frequent, indoor courts are more expensive and take the fun out of tennis.
Murray's biggest weakness was imho his first serve as he often could not get them in and at times his percentage was probably in the low 40s. He did have good days on serve of course but there has been many occasions where he was in a winning position and lost his advantage on serve. Such an eg was the Australian open 2015 final where he went 3-1 up 3rd set and squandered his lead against Novak and then fell apart after that. What he achieved was incredible with his career but if his serve was better, Novak might not be sitting on 24 majors right now and Andy could have taken a few more off him.
Super, intelligent conversation. No platitudes, just straight out analysis from someone who knows the game deeply. I love that he so strongly advocates for players learning better technique on their shots. It seems that so many players, especially in the WTA, reach a high level due in large part to their athleticism, and win despite having flawed strokes, and then strongly resist making the kind of changes needed to raise their game to the next level. Even Federer resisted fixing his backhand until he was out due to injury. I’d love to see you talk with Gavin McMillan. I think you’d find the conversation at a similarly premier level.
The hip question was very interesting, I remember reading Murray talk about the 2017 Roland Garros semi against Stan where he pinpointed that match as the one which destroyed his hip for good.
Really good question in Asking if they're is any player currently on tour that is similar to Andy? I can think of numerous players who grind it out, but none of them share the ultimate skillset or ability to produce mecurial moments. Zverev is an obvious example - while have a clear advantage on serve he shares the same pragmatic approach Murray took albeit lacking murray's brilliant forecourt skills and touch of genius.
They each have different set of skills but i agree that they pretty much approach the game quite similarly (limiting errors and grinding down their opponents) apart from their serve returns.
I think Murray was more consistent on the forehand side by quite a bit and could flatten it out to hit winners when necessary, obviously also much mentally stronger and a bit weaker first serve
Someone mentioned Brooksby in comments and I agree with him being the closest resemblance. More unorthodox style compared to Andy, but similar basic premise in approaching the game
I feel Medvedev is this generations Andy Murray. Quirky game, solid but can’t really finish with the forward, will beat virtually anybody in a major except the top 2 or 3 guys and can surprise them if they are off there game. He also covers the court extremely well, hope he can get a good draw in a major and win a couple more.
Always respected and saw him 2011? us open surprised how big he was AND love his support more than anyone to there shame Andys support for WTA thanks Andy enjoy your retirement mate
Two great tennis minds coming together to talk about my favourite player. What a treat. By the way, I'm surprised Hubert Hurkacz wasn't mentioned as a potential Murray clone. Although Andy is more of a scrambler, the groundstrokes look pretty similar, the stature is the same and they both walk like pigeons.
Murray is 191 cm tall and weighs 82 kg where hurkacz is 196 and weighs 81 kg, I would say that's a different stature. And Hurkacz might have the best serve on tour now while Murray's serve was his weak point. Murray is much better from the baseline and better at scrambling for a ball. Their strokes are kind of similar and they play more defensive from the ground but that's where the similarities end in my opinion.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten Thank you for your feedback. I would argue that Murray's second serve was always his weakness. The first serve became a bit more of a weapon during his peak years. Other than that, I agree with your points. I only mentioned the comparison because the players themselves were asked about it, "I think there are some things, like the way that we return and like move to the return I think is quite similar, but then I don't know," said Murray. "Like we both hit our backhands quite flat." Ultimately, they respect each other and they agree that their styles are distinct.
Loved the conversation but I kept waiting for the question "who do you think was the toughest opponent that Andy had out of the big three?" A detailed analysis would have been lovely to hear.
Even tho he's a nice guy, don't take Andy Murray's approach to tennis. It's taking brilliant talent and reducing it to 20% ie doggedly working hard to get 3 Slams instead of 15.
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Career stats:
739-262 record
46 titles, 71 Finals
14 Masters titles, 21 Finals
3 Slams (2 W, 1 US) 11 Finals
1 WTF title
2 Olympic Gold
Career High ranking: #1
Pretty legendary career. Sure he may look back and wish he had converted more of those 8 Major final losses but he always faced one of the 3 best players of all time. Sometimes his serve deserted him or couldn't win him free points, but he was almost level with Novak with his defensive counter punching abilities. Sliding on hard courts may have been one key deficit between Andy and Novak. He was a legit member of the big 4 for a solid 7-8 years, a clear #4 but firmly top 4 player and his 2016 season was a great way to cap off an exceptional career. Post 2016 was injury riddled and never the same player.
Andy I salute you. Top 10-15 player of all time in my books and the 4th best player of the golden era.
And 29 wins against the big 3 (11-25 vs Novak; 7-17 vs. Nadal; 11-14 vs Roger)
Truly one of the best ever. Hard to compare him to the Big Three, however, from 2009-2017, aside from maybe Ferrer on clay, you knew that you were not favoured to beat Murray on any surface over any distance.
Been watching your videos for a while now, and I got to say, I think this is by far the best discussion I’ve seen. Really, insightful, thoughtful and interesting. Keep up the good work!!
Terrific conversation guys, love listening to Petch, he's tremendously insightful to me.
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Andy is/was my absolute favorite player ever since 2012, so this mailbag is a dream come true for me!
Same for me but since that 4th round of the AO against Nadal in 2007.🎉❤
damn, this was probably my favourite mailbag you've ever done. Thank you both for this!
Thanks for the interesting talk. I think sliding on hardcourt is a very helpful skill nowadays, since hardcourts are not as hard and tacky as they used to be in the past century where sliding on hardcourts would've been considered downright suicidal. And i think it's an essential skill for players who rely a lot on their defense and a counterpunching style. As for the state of British tennis, i agree that climatic reasons are major factor. Just like in Scandinavia, summers are short, showers are frequent, indoor courts are more expensive and take the fun out of tennis.
I thoroughly enjoyed this. Interesting questions and I like the way Mark (and Gill as well ofc) explains things :)
Great conversation! Really great insights on a fascinating player. Thank you!
Brooksby is probably the closest to murray
Agree 100%
Really interesting discussion..thanks guys.
Murray's biggest weakness was imho his first serve as he often could not get them in and at times his percentage was probably in the low 40s. He did have good days on serve of course but there has been many occasions where he was in a winning position and lost his advantage on serve. Such an eg was the Australian open 2015 final where he went 3-1 up 3rd set and squandered his lead against Novak and then fell apart after that. What he achieved was incredible with his career but if his serve was better, Novak might not be sitting on 24 majors right now and Andy could have taken a few more off him.
I agree with petchy compared to big 3 his forhend was a weakness
Should've mentioned the Murray VS Kokkinakis point, is it the greatest of all time?
Super, intelligent conversation. No platitudes, just straight out analysis from someone who knows the game deeply. I love that he so strongly advocates for players learning better technique on their shots. It seems that so many players, especially in the WTA, reach a high level due in large part to their athleticism, and win despite having flawed strokes, and then strongly resist making the kind of changes needed to raise their game to the next level. Even Federer resisted fixing his backhand until he was out due to injury.
I’d love to see you talk with Gavin McMillan. I think you’d find the conversation at a similarly premier level.
The hip question was very interesting, I remember reading Murray talk about the 2017 Roland Garros semi against Stan where he pinpointed that match as the one which destroyed his hip for good.
Those first 4 sets were epic
Really good question in Asking if they're is any player currently on tour that is similar to Andy? I can think of numerous players who grind it out, but none of them share the ultimate skillset or ability to produce mecurial moments. Zverev is an obvious example - while have a clear advantage on serve he shares the same pragmatic approach Murray took albeit lacking murray's brilliant forecourt skills and touch of genius.
They each have different set of skills but i agree that they pretty much approach the game quite similarly (limiting errors and grinding down their opponents) apart from their serve returns.
I think Murray was more consistent on the forehand side by quite a bit and could flatten it out to hit winners when necessary, obviously also much mentally stronger and a bit weaker first serve
Someone mentioned Brooksby in comments and I agree with him being the closest resemblance. More unorthodox style compared to Andy, but similar basic premise in approaching the game
I feel Medvedev is this generations Andy Murray. Quirky game, solid but can’t really finish with the forward, will beat virtually anybody in a major except the top 2 or 3 guys and can surprise them if they are off there game. He also covers the court extremely well, hope he can get a good draw in a major and win a couple more.
Roger Rafa Novak I’m more less the Beatles with Murray being the Ringo of the band that’s how I would describe Andy Murray career
Always respected and saw him 2011? us open surprised how big he was AND love his support more than anyone to there shame Andys support for WTA thanks Andy enjoy your retirement mate
Tennis is now about 0-4 shot domination. Sinner and Alcaraz may miss a few returns but they are going for instant rally end.
Thanks so much for asking my question! Agree with other commenters that this was a fascinating discussion.
Wonder if Andy has watched this!
Two great tennis minds coming together to talk about my favourite player. What a treat. By the way, I'm surprised Hubert Hurkacz wasn't mentioned as a potential Murray clone. Although Andy is more of a scrambler, the groundstrokes look pretty similar, the stature is the same and they both walk like pigeons.
Murray is 191 cm tall and weighs 82 kg where hurkacz is 196 and weighs 81 kg, I would say that's a different stature.
And Hurkacz might have the best serve on tour now while Murray's serve was his weak point. Murray is much better from the baseline and better at scrambling for a ball.
Their strokes are kind of similar and they play more defensive from the ground but that's where the similarities end in my opinion.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten Thank you for your feedback. I would argue that Murray's second serve was always his weakness. The first serve became a bit more of a weapon during his peak years. Other than that, I agree with your points. I only mentioned the comparison because the players themselves were asked about it, "I think there are some things, like the way that we return and like move to the return I think is quite similar, but then I don't know," said Murray. "Like we both hit our backhands quite flat." Ultimately, they respect each other and they agree that their styles are distinct.
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Medvedev is the one closest to Murray today.
Loved the conversation but I kept waiting for the question "who do you think was the toughest opponent that Andy had out of the big three?" A detailed analysis would have been lovely to hear.
And I was waiting for "why did Andy never make it back to the top level" (other than the hip slowing him)
how did we get a mma on friday
it's a mailbag...
Even tho he's a nice guy, don't take Andy Murray's approach to tennis. It's taking brilliant talent and reducing it to 20% ie doggedly working hard to get 3 Slams instead of 15.