I love your range tests. They show what the bike can do when pushed hard. I think it would be interesting if you also included the average speed that the display recorded for the trip. Thanks for the great video.
On my Fabulous Ebike 48v EMX Xtreme with dual 500w motors I often watch the watt display as I ride. I've been surprised to notice that in some situations the watts being used will actually be less in AWD. Accelerating from a stop will always use more watts when in AWD but while at steady speed with active pedalling, single motor mode can actually draw more watts. I'm thinking it has to do with how hard the motor(s) have to work to maintain the speed. In some instances two motors do it with less overall battery draw.
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Can't speak for the Road Warrior, but Fabulous's EMX-Extreme allowed you to adjust the low voltage cutoff point. I just let it be as it's there to protect the battery from being drained completely. Plus I use the Extreme for trails and mud...so the amount of miles at any given one time are not all that high. I did adjust how "hard" the front motor hits upon start-up as I saw no need to spin the front wheel every time I hit it in dual motor mode.
Good range test, I appreciate the amount of information that you install in your videos. Here's some food for thought... Not everybody is going to pedal as hard as you do. My personal objective is to get an e-bike so I don't have to pedal. Maybe you could do a throttle only range test on some of your bike? The main one I'm interested in would be in the Wired Freedom.
I had to pedal mine once when the brake censer's were out of adjustment . I was about 2 or 3 miles from home out in the country, just need to be in a lower gear !!
Range test are not easy as it depends on weight of the person, where you live if you have a lot of inclines and if you are dealing with a lot of wind. One test can end up different over another.
On theses throttle equipped bikes, I though pedal assist had effect on throttle only riding. I though being in the right gear though, helps the motor when in throttle only riding e.g., being in low gear for riding up hills.
Great test brother, but that's a tiny BATTERY. ALL these companies put TINY batteries on these ebikes. That needs a minimum 60v40AHs. With that battery I'd BE LUCKY to get 15-20miles MAX.
great info about a year old, but I like it im needing a logging road rider - Im be tween AWD or a mid drive .Im hoping for at least a 750 watt on the mid drive. as long as it can go where a loaded truck goes - Id be happy - any trails would be a bonus the grades tend to run from 2 to 3 miles uphill average 12% to 20% Im thinking a hub drive "might" overheat(?) there long pulls. the roads are dirt & I like to ride around 14mph or so uphills,when possible, I slow down for the water bars. my ebike does it for about 3/4th of a mile, but it dont have hub temp sensors & I worry about it. Ive done it a few times and the hubs feel fine to touch, but I hear them whine a bit will an AWD do better for me? or should I get a mid drive? [some days Im lazy & just dont "want" to pedal] Im old 63 6'4" 230 lbs so Im not a lightweight. my added weight Might be a few tools na tube to fix a flat [if I have to]
thanks for the range test . this definitely shows solid battery range at high speed. ... I do wonder how far it could go if you did 20 mpg the whole time. .. i'm thinking 55 to 60 miles.
Thanks for the video. I’m happy with my purchase of the Wired Freedom. I believe wired gives more bang for your buck. This is a nice bike but for me it wasn’t worth giving up full suspension for $800 more.
I couldn't agree more, especially if they're Wired is going to get me another 5 mi further. There are things you can do to increase your range (like get an extra battery) but once you buy a hardtail bike there's no hope to improve the suspension. Without a major overhaul.
I don’t think it’s and 800. Difference knocking off shipping and currency difference it’s actually very close- I see about maybe 200. Difference with the current sales price
@CitizenCycle - Love your content! I am looking to put together a Converted Fat Tire E-bike using a conversion kit. I am looking for a good fat tire bike with full suspension that would be good for conversion. Do you have any recommendations? Any advice would be awesome!
I know it’s kind of subjective but how do you “feel” the build/part quality is compared to the Wired/Magicycle/Hemiway bikes in this class? This bike is really sounding like the exact set up I am looking for at the >$3k price range. I’m looking for the high quality feel too though. I’m most familiar with Magicycle build quality fyi. Not top notch but not junky/cheap feeling either.
Those batteries really don't like being drained all the way down. Every time you do it you shorten it's life. With the battery almost dead I'd put it back in one wheel drive to limp home.
i do not. however i do have a fabulous Shadow in my garage that has their 1000w rear hub in it. will have a video on that coming up. what are you interested in? just over all power?
@@CitizenCycle925thanks for the response. something comparable to the wired freedom. I may just bite the bullet in the freedom but the long wait has me hesitant.
Strange, I only have a 48v 20 amp hour battery but I got 36 miles full throttle without any peddling at 19.5 miles per hour. Maybe it has to do with it having 14 inch tires instead of full sized?
Did you only get 10-15miles? I weight 275 and plan to us this bike for a 10mile ride each way. I just ordered this bike. did you use pas 5 the whole time? I thought this would be enough 24 amp battery. Thanks for any info
@Dgarcia I don't have That bike, I just no What I AVERAGE per charge on ALL EBIKES. ItS JUST physics 101. I'm BIG and I drive the way MOST PEOPLE DRIVE. this is my only form if transportation. THEY NEED TO MAKE ALL RANGE TEST AT FULL THROTTLE/PAS 5 AND MAX WEIGGT(400LBS) BIKE CAN HOLD, NOW THATS A REAL TEST. These companies test with chinamen on them NOT AMERICANS, I'm 6 2 250 and I'm the tiny one in family(height wise). But there's know men in my family that weigh less then 210.
I love your range tests. They show what the bike can do when pushed hard. I think it would be interesting if you also included the average speed that the display recorded for the trip. Thanks for the great video.
On my Fabulous Ebike 48v EMX Xtreme with dual 500w motors I often watch the watt display as I ride. I've been surprised to notice that in some situations the watts being used will actually be less in AWD. Accelerating from a stop will always use more watts when in AWD but while at steady speed with active pedalling, single motor mode can actually draw more watts. I'm thinking it has to do with how hard the motor(s) have to work to maintain the speed. In some instances two motors do it with less overall battery draw.
I'm suggesting your channel to friends! I have friends very interested in getting EBIKES.
You'll be HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
YOU'VE HELPED ME MORE THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE. THANK YOU
AGAIN
Wow appreciate that, thanks!!!!
Beautiful scenery great properties thanks for that. Good mention as to how sag plays in too, difference fully charged. Again great test!!
After watching this, I feel the need for a 1000 watt front hub motor for my wicked cruiser. Maybe wired bikes could put out an after market kit.
Can't speak for the Road Warrior, but Fabulous's EMX-Extreme allowed you to adjust the low voltage cutoff point. I just let it be as it's there to protect the battery from being drained completely. Plus I use the Extreme for trails and mud...so the amount of miles at any given one time are not all that high. I did adjust how "hard" the front motor hits upon start-up as I saw no need to spin the front wheel every time I hit it in dual motor mode.
Good range test, I appreciate the amount of information that you install in your videos.
Here's some food for thought...
Not everybody is going to pedal as hard as you do.
My personal objective is to get an e-bike so I don't have to pedal.
Maybe you could do a throttle only range test on some of your bike?
The main one I'm interested in would be in the Wired Freedom.
I had to pedal mine once when the brake censer's were out of adjustment . I was about 2 or 3 miles from home out in the country, just need to be in a lower gear !!
Hello can you do a comparison on Wired Freedom vs Cyrusher Ranger please.
I noticed the same thing with my fabulous bike and 30 amp battery's stop for a little while and all of a sudden I get a nice reboot of power
Range test are not easy as it depends on weight of the person, where you live if you have a lot of inclines and if you are dealing with a lot of wind. One test can end up different over another.
On theses throttle equipped bikes, I though pedal assist had effect on throttle only riding. I though being in the right gear though, helps the motor when in throttle only riding e.g., being in low gear for riding up hills.
Great test brother, but that's a tiny BATTERY. ALL these companies put TINY batteries on these ebikes. That needs a minimum 60v40AHs. With that battery I'd BE LUCKY to get 15-20miles MAX.
great info
about a year old, but I like it
im needing a logging road rider - Im be tween AWD or a mid drive .Im hoping for at least a 750 watt on the mid drive. as long as it can go where a loaded truck goes - Id be happy - any trails would be a bonus
the grades tend to run from 2 to 3 miles uphill average 12% to 20%
Im thinking a hub drive "might" overheat(?) there long pulls.
the roads are dirt & I like to ride around 14mph or so uphills,when possible, I slow down for the water bars.
my ebike does it for about 3/4th of a mile, but it dont have hub temp sensors & I worry about it.
Ive done it a few times and the hubs feel fine to touch, but I hear them whine a bit
will an AWD do better for me?
or should I get a mid drive? [some days Im lazy & just dont "want" to pedal]
Im old 63 6'4" 230 lbs so Im not a lightweight.
my added weight Might be a few tools na tube to fix a flat [if I have to]
Citizen, awesome review Warrior is a keeper..That house 🏠 in vegas probably be 1.5 million 😀..
I use to want the EMX extreme. Now I want this
thanks for the range test . this definitely shows solid battery range at high speed. ... I do wonder how far it could go if you did 20 mpg the whole time. .. i'm thinking 55 to 60 miles.
Thanks for the video. I’m happy with my purchase of the Wired Freedom. I believe wired gives more bang for your buck. This is a nice bike but for me it wasn’t worth giving up full suspension for $800 more.
I couldn't agree more, especially if they're Wired is going to get me another 5 mi further.
There are things you can do to increase your range (like get an extra battery) but once you buy a hardtail bike there's no hope to improve the suspension.
Without a major overhaul.
I don’t think it’s and 800. Difference knocking off shipping and currency difference it’s actually very close- I see about maybe 200. Difference with the current sales price
No joke. Gorgeous 🎉🎉🎉 AMAZING 👏
Any explanation as to why this bike is faster than the Havoc X2 models? Or are those about the same top speeds?
@CitizenCycle - Love your content! I am looking to put together a Converted Fat Tire E-bike using a conversion kit. I am looking for a good fat tire bike with full suspension that would be good for conversion. Do you have any recommendations? Any advice would be awesome!
Looks like the Wired bikes have a new rival 😁. Think of it with a rack and another 30 ah of battery.
I guessed dam close. If no PAS 4 maybe 31-32
Have you reviewed the AQ177. 60ah battery e bike for under 2,000
You also had two motors drawing on that battery. Probably if you were running one only your range would’ve been quite well.
I know it’s kind of subjective but how do you “feel” the build/part quality is compared to the Wired/Magicycle/Hemiway bikes in this class? This bike is really sounding like the exact set up I am looking for at the >$3k price range. I’m looking for the high quality feel too though. I’m most familiar with Magicycle build quality fyi. Not top notch but not junky/cheap feeling either.
That's a lot of juice to burn up. What a fun way to do it!
Those batteries really don't like being drained all the way down. Every time you do it you shorten it's life. With the battery almost dead I'd put it back in one wheel drive to limp home.
How did you find dealing with Fabulous E Bikes?
Hey! What bmx bars do you use for your bikes?
Is the faster than the wired freedom ?
Those motors should be doing 1,400 each or more peak. 70V X 22 amps
love this ebike...
Just wondering if you know if anyone has reviewed the road warrior xt 1000w rear hub?
i do not. however i do have a fabulous Shadow in my garage that has their 1000w rear hub in it. will have a video on that coming up. what are you interested in? just over all power?
@@CitizenCycle925thanks for the response. something comparable to the wired freedom. I may just bite the bullet in the freedom but the long wait has me hesitant.
Holy shit i didnt realize that bike was that fast wow!!!
oh yes, it is quite fast, it shines at the top end, the launch isnt crazy but pulls hard as you build speed.
@@CitizenCycle925 i need that bike with a camo paint job for hunting and fishing .....do u think if i paid them extra they would paint it ?
@michaelconley6245 they would surely have to special order it so I doubt it , but never hurts to ask I guess..
You had both motors running the whole time?
Yes, he said so at the beginning
Hello, are there any discounts codes for this bike?
Not that i am aware of.
Was your test using both motors all the time?
Yes dual motor the whole ride
Thanks for the videos. What a great place to ride.
Dang man!
Sounds like a test to save your buns 😆
Yup thought so, I weigh 250, I hit range on the head.
Strange, I only have a 48v 20 amp hour battery but I got 36 miles full throttle without any peddling at 19.5 miles per hour. Maybe it has to do with it having 14 inch tires instead of full sized?
I will guess 28-32 miles at higher speeds.. Before I know the results.
That property looks like a seen from Forest Gump
My guess is half of that, we'll see...
THATS HOW YOUR SUPPOSE TO. A RANGE PAS 5 FULL THROTTLE, NOW ADD 50LBS ON BACK. that's a range test.
Did you only get 10-15miles? I weight 275 and plan to us this bike for a 10mile ride each way. I just ordered this bike. did you use pas 5 the whole time? I thought this would be enough 24 amp battery. Thanks for any info
@Dgarcia I don't have That bike, I just no What I AVERAGE per charge on ALL EBIKES. ItS JUST physics 101. I'm BIG and I drive the way MOST PEOPLE DRIVE. this is my only form if transportation. THEY NEED TO MAKE ALL RANGE TEST AT FULL THROTTLE/PAS 5 AND MAX WEIGGT(400LBS) BIKE CAN HOLD, NOW THATS A REAL TEST. These companies test with chinamen on them NOT AMERICANS, I'm 6 2 250 and I'm the tiny one in family(height wise). But there's know men in my family that weigh less then 210.
@Dgarcia No worries. The 1440 watt hour battery will allow full throttle for your 20 miles even at maximum weight capacity.
@jimmy james that's what I said I'd get 15-25 miles per charge.
Beautiful scenery great properties thanks for that. Good mention as to how sag plays in too, difference fully charged. Again great test!!