Im suprised the enemy with that army and economy dont go for titan he have much better postion and he have even nearly full Gold mine he can just hold the line from magic and then crush it with titan tbh for me it was like he go sleep after 30 min
Great game! I think one of the mistakes early game was taking close fights near enemy base when they have a lot of automatons. They get all that army back if you loose.
I have no idea how you held on but this was an enjoyable game to watch! Shout out to the jellyfish putting in work.. Please take everything I say with a grain of salt as I didn't play EE, but from an AoM/AoT perspective, the answer to "what counters mass turma?" was "mass turma". lol. Raiding with Turma then supporting with Katapeltes on pushes dominated everything from every civ in the Classical Age (and further if you are Egyptian). As you assumed Murmillo would do well as a general melee unit vs a "counter archer", none of the other melee did well either and they can just dip if a fight looks unfavourable. There are counters, but you have to be ahead in age and sometimes take "weaker" minor gods for specific techs you otherwise would not, at which point they can switch. I will say that already the devs have made changes to techs that never happened in AoT (such as with slingers) so it'll never be as bad as it was back then.. hopefully. Atlantean was everywhere in mid rated games because the simpler eco let players focus on other parts of the game. I will say the changes to hesperides tree and chaos are crazy to me. Chaos is obviously busted, but having 2 casts for free, 2 dryads for free, cost wood instead of with the easy favour generation... nuts
Implode is actually pretty decent now. Manged to use it as a coup-de-grace yesterday and it wiped out farms, houses, and vills all in one go and badly damaged everything esle
28:39 little feature that might help in this situation: if you build a market in the corner for a trade route, you can also build a market in your main base next to your tc from which to train the caravans. Theyll jump on the nearby tc first and then go to the far market, basically skipping the first half of their first trip. Just a small way to get them to pay themselves of sooner
Great game! I love AoM so mich more than AoE exactly because of those kind of games. I love that Titans exist basically to end stalemates. Its a really smart and fun mechanic imo.
I think probably its the ability to repair the automatons which was insane in the early game there. Just Never losing any units and you losing a few just keeps adding up over time
I wonder if it would've been better to plop down something like a manor or even economic guid in the middle, that lush would slowly heal your soldiers generating free value, and the extra speed helps too.
Finally someone properly playing Leto Classical Age instead of just rushing Heroic and losing and then bitching "Oh I should have gone Oceanus instead LOL".
Great game! Would it have been worth crawling some lush into the choke during the stalemate and get the upgrade? It wouldn't have made a big diff but he wouldn't have been able to take out the eco guilds to push it back during the fighting I was zerg in SC2, it feels like there would be value just like pushing creep
I really wonder if he had made his own titan instead of suiciding his army in an attempt to prevent yours from going up if he could have won. Awsome game!
It was probably the mix of having a tanky frontline supported by any kind of ranged unit that made it strong. I think the automatons are a bit larger than murmillos as well, so less of them can make a wider frontline (which is bad for dps but good for... making a wider front).
I'm suprised destrocto didn't mix in some cheriobalista into the comp, it should have been a lot of bonus damage against your murmilo in classical. Is turma really that much more cost effective against infantry?
@@IamMagicAOM sure, not massing them like the turma won't work but keeping a few with the automatons mass that won't be harassing anyway. You two were fighting back and forth over the centre anyway, probably due to the map
I don't know how much it would have changed the game but you never picked up Arrows of the Alfar at the edge of your base. That extra building attack wouldn't have hurt.
17 minutes in so far, just got a question. is there any reason to why you are not making counterunits for the automatons? just a few Cheiroballista that you turn into heroes should help a lot or am i wrong? And would it not be worth building a economic guild just for the lush between the woodlines? getting that tiny amount of regen + movementspeed for when engagements happen could make the difference.
If you're trying to climb to top 100, how far should you climb with 1 god before start learning all the others gods, or is the better to play all the gods right from the get go?
If you wanna go pro, you should learn all the gods right away, just play all random, or one faction at a time. If your goal is to just push for top 100 and "have fun", pick one that you enjoy playing and get good :)
They're fast and ranged, with good micro you can kite very well. Murmillo have 4.5 base speed, and Turma is 5.5. Just never let his Murmillo reach them, and once you've amassed enough, you can just kill one target per volley
Im not even close about ur skill when i strugle even vs ai so correcting you as me is werid xD but u should build one manor near start of ur base when u fight quite often in that place u will get speed and 2 hp regen for ur murmilo on these short breaks fights on ur lush
@@hugocristini9433oh I see. 95% on 7k hp is the same as 28k hp on 80% armor. I think they did this to offset divine damage, as otherwise mass priests would kill the titan in no time
I dont understand how destructo wasnt able to push really.. He had 2 tcs more. So a lot more population? Maybe he should have sieged u on the left way earlier because he should have had the pop to do so
Magic was really like "There is nothing good to cast. Fine I'll do it my self"
Hahaha!
and it was Cinema
Im suprised the enemy with that army and economy dont go for titan he have much better postion and he have even nearly full Gold mine he can just hold the line from magic and then crush it with titan tbh for me it was like he go sleep after 30 min
the elephant who saw all the dead people and was still alive to see the titan coming :D
Hahah
This elephant even got some storm bolts from the man o' war. It was part of the game no doubt.
Really love the 1st person POV for the games. Absolute GOAT content!
Glad you enjoy it!
Great game! I think one of the mistakes early game was taking close fights near enemy base when they have a lot of automatons. They get all that army back if you loose.
Yeah that part didn’t cross my mind until the mid game when I saw like 30 automatons haha
This game was insane, I caught it live on stream. Sick video!
Thanks!
OMG. This is amazing. Thanks for posting. I am so excited to watch all videos from you. Hopefully I can some day join you on twitch when you stream.
Please do!
The forts on the gold mine in his base was such a clutch play you’re so calm
we rly need more content like this, keep it going man!
I have no idea how you held on but this was an enjoyable game to watch! Shout out to the jellyfish putting in work..
Please take everything I say with a grain of salt as I didn't play EE, but from an AoM/AoT perspective, the answer to "what counters mass turma?" was "mass turma". lol. Raiding with Turma then supporting with Katapeltes on pushes dominated everything from every civ in the Classical Age (and further if you are Egyptian). As you assumed Murmillo would do well as a general melee unit vs a "counter archer", none of the other melee did well either and they can just dip if a fight looks unfavourable. There are counters, but you have to be ahead in age and sometimes take "weaker" minor gods for specific techs you otherwise would not, at which point they can switch. I will say that already the devs have made changes to techs that never happened in AoT (such as with slingers) so it'll never be as bad as it was back then.. hopefully. Atlantean was everywhere in mid rated games because the simpler eco let players focus on other parts of the game.
I will say the changes to hesperides tree and chaos are crazy to me. Chaos is obviously busted, but having 2 casts for free, 2 dryads for free, cost wood instead of with the easy favour generation... nuts
Yeah I’m inclined to agree !
Implode is actually pretty decent now. Manged to use it as a coup-de-grace yesterday and it wiped out farms, houses, and vills all in one go and badly damaged everything esle
Yeah it was really strong here
The endles "HURRRRRRR" of the automatons lol
Hah
I love the sound automatons make when they die
woah! that sounds evil :D
@@IamMagicAOM is it really though? they're just robots and come on, you know you love it too! aurgh
Auuuuurrr
28:39 little feature that might help in this situation: if you build a market in the corner for a trade route, you can also build a market in your main base next to your tc from which to train the caravans. Theyll jump on the nearby tc first and then go to the far market, basically skipping the first half of their first trip. Just a small way to get them to pay themselves of sooner
I just saw a video about that recently! That’s a cool trick thanks
Pumping out the content Magic, good stuff!
thx!
Great game! I love AoM so mich more than AoE exactly because of those kind of games. I love that Titans exist basically to end stalemates. Its a really smart and fun mechanic imo.
What's crazy is that you won the long game even after loosing the pop and the gold of the middle ground.
Yeah that was insane
I wish I could like video twice XD
That was freakin awesome
I think probably its the ability to repair the automatons which was insane in the early game there. Just Never losing any units and you losing a few just keeps adding up over time
Yeah!
Magic dropping a receipt for that implode 😂
I wonder if it would've been better to plop down something like a manor or even economic guid in the middle, that lush would slowly heal your soldiers generating free value, and the extra speed helps too.
For sure!
Titan was the game ending move!
Not sure why he didn’t push early on when you were losing each fight. It seemed he had the resources to just keep applying pressure. Great win!
Finally someone properly playing Leto Classical Age instead of just rushing Heroic and losing and then bitching "Oh I should have gone Oceanus instead LOL".
Ahah
Love your content!!
Glad you enjoy it!
Great game! Would it have been worth crawling some lush into the choke during the stalemate and get the upgrade? It wouldn't have made a big diff but he wouldn't have been able to take out the eco guilds to push it back during the fighting
I was zerg in SC2, it feels like there would be value just like pushing creep
Yeah good point!
It does have that energy. Theia's Hero Contarius with Gaia's speed tech move at an absurd 7.3 speed on lush.
I really wonder if he had made his own titan instead of suiciding his army in an attempt to prevent yours from going up if he could have won. Awsome game!
He might not have had enough favor I think, he was spending a lot on myth units and god powers
Aaah of course! I didn't even think about the favor requirement. That must be it.
Seemed like the automatons were what was beating your murmillos not the turma. Great game though, loving your content
It was probably the mix of having a tanky frontline supported by any kind of ranged unit that made it strong.
I think the automatons are a bit larger than murmillos as well, so less of them can make a wider frontline (which is bad for dps but good for... making a wider front).
Yeah the automatons ravaged me haha
Automaton seems ok!
I'm suprised destrocto didn't mix in some cheriobalista into the comp, it should have been a lot of bonus damage against your murmilo in classical. Is turma really that much more cost effective against infantry?
They’re just more versatile, they can move around the map and pick off units better
@@IamMagicAOM sure, not massing them like the turma won't work but keeping a few with the automatons mass that won't be harassing anyway. You two were fighting back and forth over the centre anyway, probably due to the map
I don't know how much it would have changed the game but you never picked up Arrows of the Alfar at the edge of your base. That extra building attack wouldn't have hurt.
Yeah for sure
17 minutes in so far, just got a question. is there any reason to why you are not making counterunits for the automatons? just a few Cheiroballista that you turn into heroes should help a lot or am i wrong?
And would it not be worth building a economic guild just for the lush between the woodlines? getting that tiny amount of regen + movementspeed for when engagements happen could make the difference.
The turma get bonus damage vs the cheiros, could be dangerous
Yeah the lush I should def spread
wow, I just watched this, nice to see without ads though
Do you think you could have tried to add some trauma to the early game fights ? Or the commitment to the murmillo was the best option to take ?
I think the better option would be not to fight, since any battle that’s even he just remakes the automatons after the fights over
If you're trying to climb to top 100, how far should you climb with 1 god before start learning all the others gods, or is the better to play all the gods right from the get go?
If you wanna go pro, you should learn all the gods right away, just play all random, or one faction at a time.
If your goal is to just push for top 100 and "have fun", pick one that you enjoy playing and get good :)
Go as far as you can before you hit the wall imo , once you hit the wall you change the god
Do you have a time you usually stream at? would love to catch one sometime
Hey so I get home from work around 6ish est then try to stream shortly after
i was there live.
You were the one who made me post it so fast!
That was fun to watch. I just don't understand why mass turma are so good though. Why are they good?
They're fast and ranged, with good micro you can kite very well.
Murmillo have 4.5 base speed, and Turma is 5.5. Just never let his Murmillo reach them, and once you've amassed enough, you can just kill one target per volley
Well said
Silly question but how do you jump your camera back to your town
I press the h button which takes you to tc, you can also click the middle button between your god powers
Do the resource and vil work time worth it to make titan?
Definitely, I think here it won me the game
How did you get this uploaded so fast :'D
I sacrificed quality of the thumbnail pic, haha
@@IamMagicAOM I like the thumbnail, titan in action looks sick
@@IamMagicAOM I like the thumbnail better than the last 7. They looked way to "UA-cam-y" and overloaded for my taste. The old ones were cleaner.
Im not even close about ur skill when i strugle even vs ai so correcting you as me is werid xD but u should build one manor near start of ur base when u fight quite often in that place u will get speed and 2 hp regen for ur murmilo on these short breaks fights on ur lush
Agree!
That das a very funny game❤
Idc what people say, this game is the gold standard for remaking an old classic game.
Agreed!
What time (UTC) are you streaming normally?
@@0ox3r0xo0 I think it’s around 10:30 pm for ya
10:00 (or so) why no frontline heroics at this point? It will easily pay for itself going against an automaton strat
yeah I got it but a bit too late here, definitely would have helped
I definitely did think that Murmillo beat Turma. Turma seems too strong? Counter units in general are insanely strong.
I think it was also the automatons, they're pretty good!
The titan has 28k HP now? Isn't that too OP?
They got buffed?
Feels that way
Before the titans has only 7k, but much more armor !! 90/95%
Now hp goes down really fast, so for me it feels about the same as before.
@@hugocristini9433oh I see. 95% on 7k hp is the same as 28k hp on 80% armor. I think they did this to offset divine damage, as otherwise mass priests would kill the titan in no time
I dont understand how destructo wasnt able to push really.. He had 2 tcs more. So a lot more population?
Maybe he should have sieged u on the left way earlier because he should have had the pop to do so
Yeah that would have been good
gege
The way these people play through 500 clicks per milisecond is giving me headaches, why can't they play normally? Idk, not to gigasweat
haha sry!
We learned that robots are strong but titan stronger!! :(
haha
First :D
enjoy!