I made this BO and shared it with some pros which definitely helped the surge, started yapping about only dwarfs couple weeks ago. Small difference I do melee armor>ranged armor>hammer of thor cus that tech is slowest of the 3 and you get all techs back to back anyway. Also at 3.15 you can choose either age up or train a berserker and age 3.24. Some top pros are convinced the extra berserker is needed to fix the lack of scouting
@EzioAuditore-xj1dq of course, that is the point of record. I am talking about the fact that it's been quite some time, and there are still people in high elo, not utilizing basic major god buffs and core gameplay mechanics based on that. Like spreading lush with gaia and using pharaos AND priests with Ra. Or even simpler, using pharaoh on monuments... I mean, COME ON!
It's such a treat to watch your videos! Despite having played AoM for so long, and at such a high level, you still have this infectious sense of delight and appreciation for the 'casual' stuff like the fantasies of the gods, and just seeing buildings die really quickly to throwing axemen with burning pitch haha
I learned Thor back in original AoM. Being able to use dwarves as lumberjacks and thus not use food at all in the early game is huge, on top of a small mine you can spawn in at the start can lead into a crazy early throwing axeman rush. But now that powers are reusable, the idea of being able to spawn in the mine in age 1 and still have it at age 4, that just seems nuts to me.
Excellent timing Suppe as I've been wanting to delve more deeply into Thor! (Mostly playing Gaia and Ra atm) Really happy to see he can perform well even at a high level =)
Thor was my main god back in the day. I was never pro but decently high. The thing I liked most was the versatility of the minor gods, the dwarves and armour. If you get raided, you can go gatherers or dwarves. It's rare you get pushed off both and you can always use dwarven mine. If against a boomer, get tcs map control and go ragnarok. Armoury upgrades + flaming weapons are great edges in close games.
Thanks for the BO i will definitely try that out! In your replay you could stop building the 4. tc (wasn't going up anyways and low hp) before casting fimbulwinter to get one additional wolf pack. Ballistas are extremly strong now, especially in an defensive situation. Keep up the good work! Cheers
@@HUSKSUPPE In the original there were a maximum number of 4 TCs, who getting fimbulwinter wolfes, the mechanic was the same: They do not spawn on your own TC's, not on friendly TC's and not on TC, who are on the way to be build up. They had always pritority on enemy TC's, if there are only 1-3 enemy TC's they start to spawn on neutral tcs, theoretically up to 4 neutral TC's, if the enemy has no TC. But now fimbulwinter is busted and spawns 6 or 12 wolfs on every TC on the map, which is not yours, teammates or in the building process. I tested it in the editor and it doesn't matter how many enemy tcs or neutral TC's are there as long as it is not a team's TC or building TC the wolfes spawn on every TC on the map lol. You could even delete one of your own TC's, when it is on very low HP and beeing sieged to get 6 - 12 additional wolfes. Only thing im not sure about is when does it give 6 or 12 wolfes.
Great video, I think amongst the good rushing civs which can counter a niche (but IMO seemingly quite reliable) rush against thor could also be the hades cyclops spam. There's probably some counterplay at high ELO I cant think of, but getting 3 or 4 cyclops cloberring down the production buildings while archers shoot the hersirs has been good at my level at least.
Always loved Thor but i struggle a lot with him, until this video ! thank you ! To be fair a favor nerf would be good (to not gain favor on goats, which is pretty ridiculous 11)
@@HUSKSUPPE oh shit not I’ve just saved it for later I’m at work with shit internet! But I’ll watch it, was it based on ourk build? Keen flame said ourk was known for crazy builds, apparently he was a good player years ago. But love your vids suppe! Hope you’re all getting in some good practise
depends on your team strategy and when you want to end the game... all 1v1 strategies are viable for team games just not the other way around. Tho if you choose a more aggressive strategy you have to either have your team follow thru or all in due to the reinforcement time of their allys.
Yeah man, this is even better in team games because the maps are larger, meaning it is more difficult to rush you! Maybe the one thing I would change is get a 2nd berserker before you advance so you can start scouting the map, and see if your opponent is building town center!
I started getting rushed by loki, kronos and even egy.. so I stopped playing thor and I have been winning with Odin instead. I probably had a bad build order and couldn't get my military production going with a reasonable timing. Definitely going to give this a try
I was championing Thor from the beta and this is great if you can pull it off. A couple of caveats... you are blind map wise, so no 2nd TC, Hunt or Gold scouted. The 2nd hunt you will definitely need by the time you Age-up. If you don't get down the enemy TC quickly you are kinda screwed as have a weak econ. I think RC are a better unit to begin the attack as Vs Egyptians, Hades or anyone with e tower upgrade the low pierce armor makes things tricky. I also strongly recommend following your inital attack with Throwing Axemen. Go heavy on wood and get the Burning Pitch upgrade - TA's are just broken with that and will decimate buildings in seconds.
Build can be done a bit better I think. Gathering all the wood from the straggler trees is a bit inefficient. Also making a few more villagers can be better as villagers are a little better at food/wood than dwarves. I think the build is better like this: 3 dwarves on gold, build armory. (making it to cover gold is nice but I think it's more important to make it fast, you can cover the gold with houses/temple). Make 3 villagers. First villager gathers 5 favor by whacking herdables. If you have few herdables you can shoot deer to get the 5 favor. Aftewards all first 3 villagers go on to straggler tree near hunt but make a cart. After that queue dwarves and put on to gold till you have 6 there, then rest food. From armory first hammer of thunder, then pierce armor then hack armor. Villagers and cart plus new dwarves go onto food after you gathered enough wood for house and pierce armor. After 5 on food, put more onto stragglers. (ideally you have a straggler close to the hunt or push some hunt close to the straggler). Make temple, advance, make some houses and hersirs and get weapons upgrade and get pickaxe/handaxe. Against a bunch of civs you can even get weapons upgrade and a 3rd cart before upping to be even more greedy. For example against Egypt, Gaia or Thor. Basically difference with the build in the video: - get one more cart early. You can afford this by getting the hammer of thor upgrade first. That does mean your first armory dwarf is 10s later but you also need to pay less stuff early so you are able to fit in the cart. Cart pays off for itself quite quick as straggler trees do waste walking time. More importantly your berserker does not have to go push deer etc. Also you can have your first villager that gets 5 favor just shoot some deer because on some spawns you can't get 5 favor from whacking herdables. - 3 villagers instead of 2. Villagers are slightly better on food/wood. - uptime is maybe 15s later, against a kronos or something this variant could be better but even then I think I would prefer the cart and being able to scout more.
I thought you were kidding until I tried it myself. What the hell is that axeman burning pitch interaction. No way that's intentional by the devs. I never thought a piece unit that absolutely who suck against buildings would become the best siege unit in the game.
Very nicely edited video! I like this build, but it might need change with the initial pig attacking for favor since it seems like they want to remove this interaction next patch. Also, did one of hirdman change into a troll at 10 min mark or am I seeing some stuff? lol
lol, well spotted! It did indeed tun into a troll... I hope they don't remove that herdables interaction, will be much harder for norse to get favor early on!
Very simple, go dwarves when you prefer spending gold, go gatherers when you prefer spending food! Usually no earlier than 9 mins into the game I switch to gatherers
Hey i just want some clarification on something. Saw you micro your axe men and hersirs/giants near 24:30 and onwards. And saw what looked like a bait of assersion (enemy can technically get in to damage some berserkers for like 2 secs and get out) Did you use the army group movement speed bug like in a fraction of a second to have your front line move from the front to the back to protect ur berserkers? Seems insane. And SUPER fast. Essentially you did a SC2 style blink
Gotta say its nice to see JSS everywhere, which are my actual real life initials. what did they stand for again? I believe it was something about Jesus being on team. (Heia Laget!!)
How do you plan to adapt the build with the upcoming nerfs to Norse favour gen from livestock? I guess just delay the Hammer of Thunder? Surely it wouldn't be worth it to kill the pigs.
Thanks for sharing, nice vid. Do you still do this same build against Norse or do you adapt the build to not include copper shield and maybe age faster?
38:13 i'm curious, wouldn't it be better to train 7 fenris wolves (1225 food, 105 favor) instead of 4 frost giants (800 gold, 88 favor) against his quick moving archer army? Cause this way wolves could outrun and quickly kill those archers or even do some raiding
the frost giants already are upgraded, the freeze is insanely useful. Also it was serving as a tank for him to get those TC's down from what I could see. I think with all of his infantry upgrades, the food is better spent on building beserks and other human units. Especially against atlantean who have such easy access to heroes. Finally, he was close to getting summoning another gold mine, and the wolves would cost more favour (they need a pack of 7 to become optimal) but I don't know much
The favor costs of god power recasts makes is so random. Would you rather use 60 favor to bolt one unit away or summon a 6k ultra fast gold mine that will allow you to make 50-100 units?
I think that first hersir went randomly since he had already collected the relic. So even tho it shows it there in fog, it's not actually there, and the hersir was going to the real location?
Krush is the one tactic that can really shut down this build. Definitely go no later than 415, and make sure you keep the troll alive with healing spring! You can fight back the prometheans early on with vills, just make sure you dont lose them, and heal them back up with healing spring when you hit classical
Noooo don't teach the wide audience my strat! xd Though I just go full dwarves so that I can go Classical ASAP. Then just stay there going full infrantry getting all upgrades I can
Yeah build does not quite feel optimal with 2 villagers. Dwarfs are just kind of better than villagers for Thor (they are 3% slower in wood/food gathering but they are quite a bit cheaper because gold is so much easier to get for thor than food). Thor and Gaia are both a bit overtuned now. Getting like the equivalent of 5 extra vils so early is a bit much. Especially as all those upgrades are useful anyways. I think the power will have to be restricted to just the original armory techs. Also getting a dwarf for the hersir tech is a bit much. The god power in mythic age is also a bit busted, 6000 gold with 50% gather bonus for a 60 favor recast. That gives such a good lategame in a tight match..
The early favor gain is going away. Even if there was a workaround in the pup the patch notes said they want to prevent unintended favor gains so expect such a workaround to not work as well going forward
I don't quite understand why in the early game you kept putting gatherers in and out of the TC for seemingly no reason. Am i missing something? I saw you put 4 in and then 3 in while 4 came out.
Around 14:30 I think. Looking at it again I'm assuming it's a quick way to direct them to a resource but I can"t remember whem you had like 4 gatherers just waiting there one time. @@HUSKSUPPE
@@FreeNomad88 I definitely like to use garrison into TC as a way to both quickly drop off resources, and also sometimes to get to the new resource faster..!
joooo WE TALKED like 1 week ago about mybe only dwarfs. So nice that it is a good thing to do. love it. I am so happy my main god from OG AOM is getting love :D
High-level users don’t trade resources well in the market. Is there a reason for this? In the video, you have over 4000 meat, yet you didn’t exchange it for wood or gold.
hey! Can't remember the game rn, but I think he ran out of resources and no longer had access to any gold. Plus I had a big army with tons of techs, so just no coming back from that
@@HUSKSUPPE yeah i do that evry time i played againts loki or thor but evri time i get push with the op hersirs and the trhow axe man are so broke. my counter is do cab and toxotes and try to do myth age to counter with hyspapist and archers againts the axeman and hersir. the have the power of the burning arms and that destroy armys dont import what facction you are o whay strong is your army i am in 1100 in 1v1 and 1260 in 2v2 team games evry time i played againts nord is injust. i only play hades.
Thors weaknesses are to easy to exploit. He also doesn’t have bonuses like the others to push through an army or buildings when you’re at a disadvantage. In my opinion he’s the least fun to play in the whole game. Once freyr gets worked out he’s gonna be a monster.
we still don't know how it will affect this build tbh! But yeah, hitting deer does give favor too. But don't use TC then, that won't give favor. Need to wait and see... Maybe get copper weapons instead of Hammer of Thunder until you have the favor or something :)
@@HUSKSUPPE yes thats what i usually do, yours is just more effective since we have lots of gold and its only gold. anyways thanks a lot for the order, and insane game. Oranos is a bit busted with those early biten of shark murmillos.
Ranked is fun because certain gods and strategies become meta, and then you need to figure out how to counter that! No one believe Thor was a top tier god even a week ago, and now everyone agrees he is one of the strongest.
I am basically a noob and dont play online and only with friends. but this is basically my entire build I did all the time from the beginning rushing the anti building tech and do a push at around 13 minutes. its so funny that pros now play MY strategy and see it really works at high level. I hope it doesnt get nerfed... if they change it to maybe one era earlier or something the entire fun is gone, I always stay age 2
When you spend gold instead of food, you can delay the time when you need to leave your base for hunt! Plus, this build is super powerful and easy to execute, it's much harder to get all upgrades and early advance when you make gatherers.
*Punches goat
Thor:"This pleases me"
Hey guys! For this tutorial, well start with animal violence and it's uses!
sounds like thor though. you get drunk and fight a goat and he is like hellll yeah thats my BOY
I mean in the original game his unique upgrade was Pigsticker, he obviously hates pigs.
boit said it in the first patch, thor will be S tier when it gets figured out
true! But then Boit has incredible understanding of the game!
Lots of stuff that is broken still waiting to be figured out it seems.
Okay devs now stop being cowards and let us heal herdables with Healing Spring so we can just punch them forever.
lmao, that would be amazing :D
Well, they're kind of doing the opposite: Herdables die in 1 hit (see PUP Notes), so you wont get the favour for the the hammer upgrade so easily.
@@sircal5647 dont be so sure, I think you still get favor, just now you are forced to kill the pig/goat
Well hydras can cheese 5 heads by munching on animals already
I made this BO and shared it with some pros which definitely helped the surge, started yapping about only dwarfs couple weeks ago. Small difference I do melee armor>ranged armor>hammer of thor cus that tech is slowest of the 3 and you get all techs back to back anyway. Also at 3.15 you can choose either age up or train a berserker and age 3.24. Some top pros are convinced the extra berserker is needed to fix the lack of scouting
For it is well known that Thor looks fondly upon pigpunchers!
This is what my ancestors did on a Saturday afternoon!!
13:28 nice micro to kill the oracle there, also I'd never think to put a dwarf to run after the oracle haha
I bet the dwarf could have body blocked the oracle if he tried.
Infinite gold, no spending food on vils, one extra upgrade tier, great god powers, free dwarves from upgrades and the list goes on and on
Arguably the best minor god options....
So, people at 1500+ elo, actually know how to read god descriptions.
Time to do the same with the other gods. :P
once they got beat by someone, they will check the record, then can copy the build order, EZPZ
in record, there is no secret that you can hide any strategy/tatics or abuse something
@EzioAuditore-xj1dq of course, that is the point of record. I am talking about the fact that it's been quite some time, and there are still people in high elo, not utilizing basic major god buffs and core gameplay mechanics based on that. Like spreading lush with gaia and using pharaos AND priests with Ra. Or even simpler, using pharaoh on monuments... I mean, COME ON!
@@acanthophis_ bro hop on the ladder don’t whine
@@jacobteix whine? what are you talking about dude? haha
It's such a treat to watch your videos! Despite having played AoM for so long, and at such a high level, you still have this infectious sense of delight and appreciation for the 'casual' stuff like the fantasies of the gods, and just seeing buildings die really quickly to throwing axemen with burning pitch haha
My boy finally gets his chance to shine. Used to love thor when I started all the way back on vanilla aom
Awesome video !
Throwing Axemen S tier siege unit! The intros to these recent videos are great
Thanks to you I can finally reach rank 1! Thanks suppe!
OMG I won 4 ranked in a row before min 18 cause this guide, really good
Great production quality Suppe. Well done
I learned Thor back in original AoM. Being able to use dwarves as lumberjacks and thus not use food at all in the early game is huge, on top of a small mine you can spawn in at the start can lead into a crazy early throwing axeman rush.
But now that powers are reusable, the idea of being able to spawn in the mine in age 1 and still have it at age 4, that just seems nuts to me.
Damn, I know it's not related to the Thor thing but Carnivora is really dangerous now.
Excellent timing Suppe as I've been wanting to delve more deeply into Thor! (Mostly playing Gaia and Ra atm)
Really happy to see he can perform well even at a high level =)
I'm using this build, I'm doing even the tackle on sheeps, this is by the most fun I've done so far, thanks a lot to share suppe!
That game was pretty damn good. Those raids really made a difference.
What a game against kvoth!
Hope they won't nerf the herdables... Hard to get favor with norse early game even with this
Nerf is coming unless they make a change from what was planned in the PUP.
The cinematics you made fitted so great in this video 1111 good job, im studying the game feeling i am in a movie
Thor was my main god back in the day. I was never pro but decently high. The thing I liked most was the versatility of the minor gods, the dwarves and armour.
If you get raided, you can go gatherers or dwarves. It's rare you get pushed off both and you can always use dwarven mine. If against a boomer, get tcs map control and go ragnarok. Armoury upgrades + flaming weapons are great edges in close games.
Zeus: Go pray at my temples.
Ra: Build monuments in my name.
Thor: Go fight something.
I always knew thor was great, love these videos
hey suppe, can u make a Poseidon guide for build orders/mid/late game? Your guides are simply the best my man!
Hey Luiz! Thanks so much :) Yes, I will make more! But it takes some time to make them when I put edits and cinematics in ^_^
Such a good game play bro 👍
Thanks for the BO i will definitely try that out! In your replay you could stop building the 4. tc (wasn't going up anyways and low hp) before casting fimbulwinter to get one additional wolf pack. Ballistas are extremly strong now, especially in an defensive situation. Keep up the good work! Cheers
wait, fimbulwinter always spawns at neutral settlements? I had no idea!!!
@@HUSKSUPPE In the original there were a maximum number of 4 TCs, who getting fimbulwinter wolfes, the mechanic was the same:
They do not spawn on your own TC's, not on friendly TC's and not on TC, who are on the way to be build up.
They had always pritority on enemy TC's, if there are only 1-3 enemy TC's they start to spawn on neutral tcs, theoretically up to 4 neutral TC's, if the enemy has no TC.
But now fimbulwinter is busted and spawns 6 or 12 wolfs on every TC on the map, which is not yours, teammates or in the building process. I tested it in the editor and it doesn't matter how many enemy tcs or neutral TC's are there as long as it is not a team's TC or building TC the wolfes spawn on every TC on the map lol.
You could even delete one of your own TC's, when it is on very low HP and beeing sieged to get 6 - 12 additional wolfes.
Only thing im not sure about is when does it give 6 or 12 wolfes.
@@Donar_AoM That's amazing, I had no idea!! Really good to know, thanks :)
Great video, I think amongst the good rushing civs which can counter a niche (but IMO seemingly quite reliable) rush against thor could also be the hades cyclops spam. There's probably some counterplay at high ELO I cant think of, but getting 3 or 4 cyclops cloberring down the production buildings while archers shoot the hersirs has been good at my level at least.
Yeah that sounds good tbh! Only issue is trolls which can really take down cyclops
Always loved Thor but i struggle a lot with him, until this video ! thank you !
To be fair a favor nerf would be good (to not gain favor on goats, which is pretty ridiculous 11)
'These contarius are so broken' said the guy with the broken civ.
I always knew that dwarfs had a better chance with thor.
Thor still looks and feels like Odin-lite in most aspects to me. And his bonuses are largely cost prohibitive.
Bro you videos are next level Congrats
Love you, I was looking for this an hour ago
The favour from herdables is being nerfed next patch, just so people are aware.
I think it will still provide favor, just you won't be able to keep them alive at low HP anymore.
Yes, the patch note said they will die in one hit
Where did you get this information (about the next patch)?
@@mattyIce42E (patch notes on next patch)
@@mattyIce42E search: "Age of Mythology: Retold Public Update Preview" View October PUP Notes (need to logged into)
Did you see ourk dwarf only build? Gather rates are really close to other gatherers and he smashed!!! Ourk old school
yeah man, did you watch the video? I go pure dwarf except for 2 gatherers..!
@@HUSKSUPPE oh shit not I’ve just saved it for later I’m at work with shit internet! But I’ll watch it, was it based on ourk build? Keen flame said ourk was known for crazy builds, apparently he was a good player years ago. But love your vids suppe! Hope you’re all getting in some good practise
@@saltytree729 Ourk is a Thor legend! When I started playing this game 20 years ago, he was the first player I downloaded recs from! Thanks!!! :)
2:20 Omg and i wondered why a damn dwarf kept spawning always at the same point. I didnt checked where this little guy comes from😂
Do you feel like this is a viable strategy for team games as well? If not what would you change?
depends on your team strategy and when you want to end the game... all 1v1 strategies are viable for team games just not the other way around. Tho if you choose a more aggressive strategy you have to either have your team follow thru or all in due to the reinforcement time of their allys.
Yeah man, this is even better in team games because the maps are larger, meaning it is more difficult to rush you! Maybe the one thing I would change is get a 2nd berserker before you advance so you can start scouting the map, and see if your opponent is building town center!
I started getting rushed by loki, kronos and even egy.. so I stopped playing thor and I have been winning with Odin instead.
I probably had a bad build order and couldn't get my military production going with a reasonable timing. Definitely going to give this a try
Yes you have to play anti rush with delayed armory
I was championing Thor from the beta and this is great if you can pull it off. A couple of caveats... you are blind map wise, so no 2nd TC, Hunt or Gold scouted. The 2nd hunt you will definitely need by the time you Age-up. If you don't get down the enemy TC quickly you are kinda screwed as have a weak econ. I think RC are a better unit to begin the attack as Vs Egyptians, Hades or anyone with e tower upgrade the low pierce armor makes things tricky. I also strongly recommend following your inital attack with Throwing Axemen. Go heavy on wood and get the Burning Pitch upgrade - TA's are just broken with that and will decimate buildings in seconds.
Build can be done a bit better I think.
Gathering all the wood from the straggler trees is a bit inefficient. Also making a few more villagers can be better as villagers are a little better at food/wood than dwarves.
I think the build is better like this:
3 dwarves on gold, build armory. (making it to cover gold is nice but I think it's more important to make it fast, you can cover the gold with houses/temple).
Make 3 villagers. First villager gathers 5 favor by whacking herdables. If you have few herdables you can shoot deer to get the 5 favor. Aftewards all first 3 villagers go on to straggler tree near hunt but make a cart.
After that queue dwarves and put on to gold till you have 6 there, then rest food.
From armory first hammer of thunder, then pierce armor then hack armor.
Villagers and cart plus new dwarves go onto food after you gathered enough wood for house and pierce armor.
After 5 on food, put more onto stragglers. (ideally you have a straggler close to the hunt or push some hunt close to the straggler).
Make temple, advance, make some houses and hersirs and get weapons upgrade and get pickaxe/handaxe. Against a bunch of civs you can even get weapons upgrade and a 3rd cart before upping to be even more greedy. For example against Egypt, Gaia or Thor.
Basically difference with the build in the video:
- get one more cart early. You can afford this by getting the hammer of thor upgrade first. That does mean your first armory dwarf is 10s later but you also need to pay less stuff early so you are able to fit in the cart. Cart pays off for itself quite quick as straggler trees do waste walking time. More importantly your berserker does not have to go push deer etc. Also you can have your first villager that gets 5 favor just shoot some deer because on some spawns you can't get 5 favor from whacking herdables.
- 3 villagers instead of 2. Villagers are slightly better on food/wood.
- uptime is maybe 15s later, against a kronos or something this variant could be better but even then I think I would prefer the cart and being able to scout more.
I thought you were kidding until I tried it myself. What the hell is that axeman burning pitch interaction. No way that's intentional by the devs. I never thought a piece unit that absolutely who suck against buildings would become the best siege unit in the game.
Ah damn I was thinking one of the Egyptian gods would be sitting up there
yeah I was surpised to see this too! Thought maybe Isis...
very nice game to watch
Can we get more guides like this plzzz
Very nicely edited video! I like this build, but it might need change with the initial pig attacking for favor since it seems like they want to remove this interaction next patch. Also, did one of hirdman change into a troll at 10 min mark or am I seeing some stuff? lol
lol, well spotted! It did indeed tun into a troll...
I hope they don't remove that herdables interaction, will be much harder for norse to get favor early on!
you are a aom guru
it looks like the bersek automatically attacks the deers at the start
why?
when should you transition from dwarf production into villager production?
Very simple, go dwarves when you prefer spending gold, go gatherers when you prefer spending food! Usually no earlier than 9 mins into the game I switch to gatherers
Hey i just want some clarification on something. Saw you micro your axe men and hersirs/giants near 24:30 and onwards. And saw what looked like a bait of assersion (enemy can technically get in to damage some berserkers for like 2 secs and get out)
Did you use the army group movement speed bug like in a fraction of a second to have your front line move from the front to the back to protect ur berserkers?
Seems insane. And SUPER fast. Essentially you did a SC2 style blink
hah, yeah, essentially "abusing" how formations work in the game. I never played SC2, but this is a big part of the aoe-series as well!
Are you going to cast Redbull?
so the solution is to let you attack your own units and heal with healing spring? I think every other rts lets you attack your own units right?
Gotta say its nice to see JSS everywhere, which are my actual real life initials. what did they stand for again? I believe it was something about Jesus being on team. (Heia Laget!!)
Originally it was 2k for Jesus, but now it's the less controversial JuStice Strikes!
How do you plan to adapt the build with the upcoming nerfs to Norse favour gen from livestock? I guess just delay the Hammer of Thunder? Surely it wouldn't be worth it to kill the pigs.
Let's see how the nerf actually works. I think just killing the pigs is absolutely fine if it means getting an additional dwarf out early!
Silly noob question: how do you age up while skipping the interface? Seems a lot faster and I only ever choose the berserk upgrade paths anyway
Don't think you can skip that. The build order is from a replay, so that's why you don't see the interface!
such a stressfull game, congrats!
Thanks for sharing, nice vid. Do you still do this same build against Norse or do you adapt the build to not include copper shield and maybe age faster?
Yeah, go for all upgrades even vs norse :D It costs 150 resources to get the shield upgrade and only takes 3 minutes to pay for itself..!
@@HUSKSUPPE Makes sense, thanks again! Love your content
Were there any changes to this strat and hammer of thunder cause my herdible pigs die in one hit instead of taking 3-4 hits.
hey! Yeah, check description. This build was nerfed by patch, but can still be done
I think you didnt mention that after going up you also take 1 dwarf of food and put him on wood
ahh true. This build is not so specific that you absolutely need to do everything exactly the same as I did, but thanks for pointing out still :D
38:13 i'm curious, wouldn't it be better to train 7 fenris wolves (1225 food, 105 favor) instead of 4 frost giants (800 gold, 88 favor) against his quick moving archer army? Cause this way wolves could outrun and quickly kill those archers or even do some raiding
aaah, these wolves always seem so underwhelming for me tbh :/ You have succes with them?
the frost giants already are upgraded, the freeze is insanely useful. Also it was serving as a tank for him to get those TC's down from what I could see. I think with all of his infantry upgrades, the food is better spent on building beserks and other human units. Especially against atlantean who have such easy access to heroes. Finally, he was close to getting summoning another gold mine, and the wolves would cost more favour (they need a pack of 7 to become optimal)
but I don't know much
@@HUSKSUPPE I feel like they are exellent to raid or when you don't have gold
The favor costs of god power recasts makes is so random. Would you rather use 60 favor to bolt one unit away or summon a 6k ultra fast gold mine that will allow you to make 50-100 units?
Depends 1 unit can already fuck Up you gold income
Saw this game on steam yesterday! Super fun to watch, Im new and haven’t touched Norse yet, will definitely have to try
man I only played thor and oranos from the beginning when they were bad... now they are S tier and I look like a meta chump
I think that first hersir went randomly since he had already collected the relic. So even tho it shows it there in fog, it's not actually there, and the hersir was going to the real location?
omg, you're right! Totally forgot about this moment, and didn't check VOD to see what happened, but you are absolutely right!
Sick build! Advice vs. Krush?
Krush is the one tactic that can really shut down this build. Definitely go no later than 415, and make sure you keep the troll alive with healing spring! You can fight back the prometheans early on with vills, just make sure you dont lose them, and heal them back up with healing spring when you hit classical
@@HUSKSUPPE roger that, very tough to defend. thanks man
Next patch better be nerfing Thor and buffing mah boi Ra.
sample size is the real answer
That is certainly a factor too 😄
why do you whack pigs for favor but not kill them? Is it so they dont decay? great vid
Yeah exactly. They fatten up instead of rotting! Thanks 😊
time to tank my elo trying to figure out norse
Great game
Noooo don't teach the wide audience my strat! xd
Though I just go full dwarves so that I can go Classical ASAP. Then just stay there going full infrantry getting all upgrades I can
Yeah build does not quite feel optimal with 2 villagers. Dwarfs are just kind of better than villagers for Thor (they are 3% slower in wood/food gathering but they are quite a bit cheaper because gold is so much easier to get for thor than food).
Thor and Gaia are both a bit overtuned now. Getting like the equivalent of 5 extra vils so early is a bit much. Especially as all those upgrades are useful anyways.
I think the power will have to be restricted to just the original armory techs. Also getting a dwarf for the hersir tech is a bit much. The god power in mythic age is also a bit busted, 6000 gold with 50% gather bonus for a 60 favor recast. That gives such a good lategame in a tight match..
The early favor gain is going away. Even if there was a workaround in the pup the patch notes said they want to prevent unintended favor gains so expect such a workaround to not work as well going forward
Don't be so sure...
@@HUSKSUPPE Idk the stated reasoning "to prevent unintended favor gains" makes me feel pretty confident
I'm an idiot, it was 3:12 before I realized you were not Boit......😂😂 GGs in Redbull sir your a beast
where can we find the stats ?
Aomstats.io
I don't quite understand why in the early game you kept putting gatherers in and out of the TC for seemingly no reason. Am i missing something? I saw you put 4 in and then 3 in while 4 came out.
can you give timestamp? Not sure I understand what you refer to!
Around 14:30 I think. Looking at it again I'm assuming it's a quick way to direct them to a resource but I can"t remember whem you had like 4 gatherers just waiting there one time. @@HUSKSUPPE
@@FreeNomad88 I definitely like to use garrison into TC as a way to both quickly drop off resources, and also sometimes to get to the new resource faster..!
@@HUSKSUPPE thank you! clears it up for me
joooo WE TALKED like 1 week ago about mybe only dwarfs. So nice that it is a good thing to do. love it. I am so happy my main god from OG AOM is getting love :D
Build order starts at 03:05
My dwarf insta kills the pigs while yours can keep hitting them a couple of time, why?
this got patched to nerf Thor. Check updated description!
Ya its hard to lose when you have a billion dwarves
is it me or cows/sheep getting 1 shot now so this doesent work
Yeah, they nerfed it. Now you need to kill 5 chicken early on instead
How much favor your opponent got? Every skirmish he was using a god power.
Oranos gets so much favor, it's unreal! And can spend it all on shockwave+carnivora+chaos, it's crazy :D
High-level users don’t trade resources well in the market. Is there a reason for this? In the video, you have over 4000 meat, yet you didn’t exchange it for wood or gold.
I should have traded! Just forgot to with all the chaos 😔
Dont understand how is thor related to winning here
nice bo
oh...i thought you just have to type devasd and stonks :P
Maybe this is a noob question, but how did you win? The enemy had town centers and an army left
hey! Can't remember the game rn, but I think he ran out of resources and no longer had access to any gold. Plus I had a big army with tons of techs, so just no coming back from that
@@HUSKSUPPE thanks for the response! I’m playing more competitively and learning slowly
@@nickfillinger4884 Awesome, good to hear! ^_^
Dude i literally called this being meta ages ago because other civs have awful 2nd age siege now besides thor
Zeus: Pray at my temples.
Ra: Build monuments for me.
Thor: Go punch some livestock 😂😂😂
the nordics are unbalanced are so op in this moment with the greeks i have no oportuniy agaist them
I agree norse good vs greeks! Next time you are against Thor, try 2 tc boom, it's a great counter to this Thor build
@@HUSKSUPPE yeah i do that evry time i played againts loki or thor but evri time i get push with the op hersirs and the trhow axe man are so broke. my counter is do cab and toxotes and try to do myth age to counter with hyspapist and archers againts the axeman and hersir. the have the power of the burning arms and that destroy armys dont import what facction you are o whay strong is your army i am in 1100 in 1v1 and 1260 in 2v2 team games evry time i played againts nord is injust. i only play hades.
I.did write you on Twitch about thor you did wrtie me back he would not be good against other gods and now you make this video haha
Thors weaknesses are to easy to exploit. He also doesn’t have bonuses like the others to push through an army or buildings when you’re at a disadvantage. In my opinion he’s the least fun to play in the whole game. Once freyr gets worked out he’s gonna be a monster.
If you've seen Mista play Freyr, you've seen Freyr at his fullest potential! I agree, he will be a monster
@@HUSKSUPPE I have he's a beast like yourself. But I think there's still a lot to learn because he's so new.
Daaaam wp man hahahhaa i've surrender like 50 times if i was you GGs!!
Chris Hemsworth is 👍👍👍
can we wack deers or anything for that 5 favor? just cause pigs and sheeps will die in one hit next patch
we still don't know how it will affect this build tbh! But yeah, hitting deer does give favor too. But don't use TC then, that won't give favor. Need to wait and see... Maybe get copper weapons instead of Hammer of Thunder until you have the favor or something :)
@@HUSKSUPPE yes thats what i usually do, yours is just more effective since we have lots of gold and its only gold. anyways thanks a lot for the order, and insane game. Oranos is a bit busted with those early biten of shark murmillos.
I mean you have unlimited gold with this mf
no me convenciste la vdd pero lo intentare con mi amigo miguel zzz pa eso
Vidste ikke at Thor var en dværg.
hah, tror jeg heller ikke han var, men han virker ikke særlig høj på billederne :3
thats why i not play ranked stupid meta shit too in games like AOE AOM.
Ranked is fun because certain gods and strategies become meta, and then you need to figure out how to counter that! No one believe Thor was a top tier god even a week ago, and now everyone agrees he is one of the strongest.
@@HUSKSUPPE ye and that Thor is best is sad i pref play what want and like not meta
I am basically a noob and dont play online and only with friends. but this is basically my entire build I did all the time from the beginning rushing the anti building tech and do a push at around 13 minutes. its so funny that pros now play MY strategy and see it really works at high level.
I hope it doesnt get nerfed... if they change it to maybe one era earlier or something the entire fun is gone, I always stay age 2
What is the reasoning for making dwarves instead of villagers? Villagers have 3% more gathering rate on wood and food.
When you spend gold instead of food, you can delay the time when you need to leave your base for hunt! Plus, this build is super powerful and easy to execute, it's much harder to get all upgrades and early advance when you make gatherers.
also, gatherers gather 1.8 resources/minute more than dwarves, it's negligible
@@HUSKSUPPE thats a good point. Interesting strat.