4 Place Super Cub, Episode #2
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I start on the baggage area. Shearing and forming sheet metal. I will share my process.
Appreciate the time you spend on these videos, maybe you don’t have a Ron to help you with your shop work and some whiz kids to do your filming and editing but it’s top notch and easy to follow. Came to admire the skill set demonstrated in bush flying But I’m totally hooked on your process and build videos, a natural teacher. Must be a heckuva payoff to watch your ideas and inspiration‘s come to fruition in a build like this. After the bad publicity in the aviation community the last couple weeks it’s guys like Yourself, Trent and The Patey’s that will be the salvation of G.A. Cheer’s
Thank you for taking the time to produce content for others to enjoy. I look forward to watching your progress.
I like the way you got Steve back for tools 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I am not sure what that means... Maybe I said something that I did not realize.
Alone in the shop, doing it your way. Getting on with it. It’s amazing to see the very basic framework and then getting its skin. Respect. Thanks for sharing!!
Great advice on spending time on the project. I agree 100%. You definitely keep work flow going by spending time each day on the build/project. Great looking shop by the way!
Well, I’m someone who will watch all this. It may not be a Hollywood production but it interests me to see all the little things and thoughts that go into a project like this. Plus if we are lucky enough to have you keep producing content throughout the process and with the finished product, it will be cool to know what went into building this pickup truck of a cub as I’m watching you stuff it in to places most normal cubs will never go. Thanks for the videos!
You're an excellent fabricator!
Thank you! 😊
Thank you for taking us along on a great build!
I usually move like that after too many cups of coffee…l😂😂…love your channel…😀
Good video Greg. I did a lot of what you’re doing here on my PA -12 build. I appreciate your attention to detail. Removing sharp edges and rounding corners a is a sign of a true craftsman. I sure wish I had the equipment available right in my shop as you do. It’s going to be fun to watch your progress.
awesome stuff greg! love seeing the real world process. As a machinist im beyond jealous of your shop, youve got a lot of capability in there.
As a homebuilder it’s nice to see you work as I can relate to it and use any ideas I like.
Heck yeah! Can’t wait to see the progress as this bird comes together! Anytime you need a hand grabbing tools or cleaning up, give me a shout! Haha! Hope to build a bird someday too. Very cool sir!
Thanks for the offer Nick. How far do I have to fly to pick you up to take you up on your offer:))
@@mauleguy Louisville, KY. I’ll pack a bag kind sir! But, honestly if I was close I’d help in a heartbeat! Love the work and the channel!
The scotchbrite wheel on a bench grinder is a great idea. Enjoyed the video lots of useful tips.
Awesome video Greg!! Personally I love watching people build things. It's an insight into a persons mind kind of like learning another language, you're not just learning how to communicate with those people but how they think.
Awesome channel! Wishing you and those watching a great 2022!
Very nice Greg! It's exciting to watch your work as you progress with the build. Thanks for your time making the videos so we can all watch and learn!
I love the no nonsense and down to business approach you always get on with. Looking forward to watching your build progress and making notes. 👍
Nice shop too.
I would help you free just to take in all the experience you have and learn! Wow, what a dream!! I’m good mechanically rebuild engines weld little body working know hydraulics pressure systems,built many homes and barns etc! And this is just freaking so alluring and exciting it makes my stomach flop thinking about it! I would love to do this for , I don’t wanna say a living because that would be a lie cause I find it simply freaking awesome to do it so mentally satisfying to me and physically of course. I just learning I think anything new love knowing! lol just so much knowledge, thanks again love ur videos and also the comments. May you and your loved ones stay safe and happy my friend!! Sincerely a faithful viewer……
Ray that is a generous offer and I appreciate you watching. I know you are a faithful viewer! Thanks for the support.
Thanks for videoing the build. Looks great.
Loving this, thank you so much for picking good background music!
That's a nice work space! Having a good area to work and a job you look forward to doing makes going to work easy.
Thanks for the video
I can’t wait to see more
Takes me back to my days working in HVAC. I was primarily a pipe fitter and welder but I also did a lot of sheet metal work building ductwork and plenums. A lot of commercial and industrial work. Scales are definitely the way to go. Had to laugh, “got called out on protecting my eyes” and then “airplanes are noisy.” Helmets and earphones help with that I imagine. Wish I could be there working with you Greg! It’d be a blast!
I noted your KTM in the last video. I just got an enduro kit for my SXF 450. Got tired of it getting dark on me while having fun!
Looking forward to the 4 place continuing to become an airplane! Take care!!
I love this, learning new metal work techniques is always nice.
Thank you for sharing your expertise!
Hi, Greg. On the parcel shelf where you made 2 halves, for stiffness sake, how about bending 90° for a mating surface to join them either with nut plated or rivets? Then you have a brace built in
good idea, I will show you what I end up with probably in the next video.
Thank you 😊
Now you have done it, you let us in your shop. Big mistake! I am going to be on the look out for the next episode from now on. When you mentioned carbon fiber you took words out of my mouth. The thing with carbon fiber is you can order sheets of this stuff and you use it with that insane German glue they use now to glue fenders and quarter panels on Audi and Porsche, so you have less weight and more rigidity. (no need for plates and bolts) If abrasion is an issue I am sure they have coatings to that effect. If you use large section of metal sheets you should bead roll them for stiffening and sound. I am doing car restoration now and it is amazing how the metal working tools have the same usage with airplanes. The guy who has the Drako plane went bat shit creasy on carbon fiber on his latest project, but this is an other topic and he has deep pockets.. Thank you for posting and happy new year!
Very Nice! Love your videos, I always learn something, thanks for taking the time to make and edit the videos.
Glad to see you're continuing to post videos. Shop video would be cool for all the tools guys out here. Is this shop at your house?
I will do a walk around in one of the videos. Yes the shop is at home, I have 8 acres. It is nice having it all in one place except sometimes I don't have a reason to leave for weeks at a time. I get a little stir crazy if I can't at least fly out of here once a week. Going flying today, Yeeha
Like the comment about working on it every day, even for a short period. Keeping momentum on projects is key to finishing in a timely manner. Like a big mountain, one foot in front of the other and sooner than later your finished.
There great videos you can always learn something keep up the great work
Thanks a lot! Inspiring!
Having saved a mate stuck under his ultra light, set up on engine stands like yours, please weld on a round bar to the long leg on base of each stand and add a couple of 20kg weights to each stand to prevent a tip over, my mate was fine but had been pined in away he couldn't get out from under it and when it tiped he wasn't even under it but ended up pined by it for about 2hrs before I arrived, great video man keep them coming.
Good to know, it will not weigh that much on the engine stands, it is very stable also. I don't plan on fully assembled on the engine stands, mostly for covering so maximum weight my guess would be 200 pounds. I could still push that off even at my old age:))
Nice work Greg,
On the fwd baggage piece with the large unsupported span you made in 2 pieces- I've done that before and put a 90 degree bend on the split flange facing down. Only has to be about an inch. Adds a bunch of strength without much weight.
That is a great idea, wished I had thought of that myself.
On your 2 piece shelf, in the center, bend a 1/2" flange 90* down on both sides and make them meet, then use nutplates and screws on the horizontal plane. You will have a little lip sticking down, and a seam along your shelf, but it will make that shelf tremendously stronger with very little added weight.
Someone else had a similar idea already, wish I would have thought of that it would help for sure. I actually want to stiffen it going perpendicular to that also in that big open area but both ways would make it very strong.
@@mauleguy Cool.... I'm interested to follow the rest of your build. I'm in the middle of my own bushcraft build and it's great to see how people build various things.
can't wait video suspension powerplant brakes tires prop and if center line seating pilot!
Nice trick bending the X in the bulkhead. I've been using a bead roller to stiffen panels, works okay, but 2024-t3 can get tough to work with.
Good stuff, Greg! Wouldn’t a bead roll contribute to stiffness and prevent oil canning on those baggage floors?
I have only tried to bead roll 2024-T3 once, it did not work, it cracked. It is too hard in my opinion to bead roll, a softer series like 6061 would probably work but have not tried it since. I was trying to do the clean out pan on Bushwacker when I had the issue.
There is an art to bead rolling, the material is shrinking in that area so unless you pre-stretch everything gets wonky too.
Love this edit Greg...the cartoon fade at the beginning was great. I think people get a lot out of watching somebody build things...especially if they are great at it. I enjoyed this tremendously. Looking very forward to the rest of the build! So many questions! How long would you guess it will take you? Will you keep the 2 place? Finally...thanks for sharing this with us.
I will probably not have it done until spring of 2023. I will sell the 2 place when it is done.
That’s a sweet shop
Would that panel benefit from some dimple die lightening holes? Obviously if you are using it for baggage you don’t want a ton of large holes in it but if you put a couple of smaller ones in it would give it a lot of rigidity.
16:08 My late father taught me everything I ever needed to know about fabrication, by screwing it up almost every time. When he built or worked on something, if he turned around he hit me in the forehead with his elbow. As soon as I could walk, I watched everything he did. He was a proud man but with me he was very generous in explaining his errors. I think talking it through helped him as well. I watched him make trapeszoid cabinet doors. Confusing the style and rail inside and outside measurements, more than once. One time he built this beautiful old growth pine breakfast bar. Eight feet long, 6 inches thick, just huge. We were working in the basement and once he got it finished in a burnt wood golden finish he looks at the basement stairs that went nearly to the wall corner and realized there was no way he could get that out of there without removing the wall to the stairs, and possibly the stairs as well. So after listing every curse word that's ever been invented, he took a chainsaw, cut it in half and put it back together up in the garage and refinished it. I have no idea how he got the slab down there. I think it was a slab, it could have been a glue up. But having trouble getting it down there didn't help him see the problem of getting it back out. Classic, "building an ark in your basement." As a result of his errors, I don't make those mistakes. Project planning, prep work, all were organically instilled in me by his example. He was a great teacher and I never told him why.
good story
One trick for removing that protective plastic is to roll it on a broom stick or equivalent, rolls off pretty well if it isn't scratched up a bunch.
I will give that a try
Nice. I'm all in on this build and picked up a thing or 2 out of watching you work that tin. Got to wondering though, had you considered working w/nomex honeycomb board? Rigid, light, easy to work with and above all.....quiet. As far as durability though compared to carbon fiber, I don't know. I've known some folks have better luck sourcing aluminum locally or within a few hours drive, buying flat and avoiding shipping damage. I did receive a roll of .25 from AS the one time I ordered and it was fine.
I have used Boeing surplus fiberglass panels with nomex honeycomb for the floor boards in 3 or 4 of my airplanes but it is heavier and more prone to damage from something that can poke a hole. I used aluminum in the floorboards in this last cub I built and like it better. With the fiber glass panels you have to put something solid like microballons epoxy and a steel sleeve to keep the screws from crushing it. I don't see any advantage at this point in carbon fiber or fiberglass for floor boards. Yeah I could have driven to Van's Aircraft for the sheet metal but that is 3 hours of my time and I did not care if the edges had damage because of what I am using it for...
Greg does the four place use stock cub wings or are they longer or wider cord?
You can use a stock wing but I am going with squared off
@@mauleguy I have a set of square tip javron wings. I was thinking about ordering the rest of the javron kit but now you got me thinking about a four place.
Is the 4-place cub similar to a PA-14? Maybe a better way to ask that is how does it differ from the PA-14? You do nice work. Thanks for sharing with us.
I am pretty sure the angle of incidence is different (more), more room inside (true 4 place if you want), bigger doors.
How about using a hair dryer or heat gun on low to warm the glue on that stubborn plastic protector on the aluminum sheet?
Have not tried it, will try it and report back.
I’m currently building interior on a pa 18. Using Kydex.
Using .060 where durability is an issue - extended baggage area.
Regular cabin panels .040.
Quiet, durable, no painting required
.060 20% heavier than .020 alum
.040 same as .020 alum.
I have used Kydex also, I don't like how it kind of gets distorted over time. I usually use it at the wing roots because it is easy to bend and fit up in the gingerbread. It is a good option for sure. I have used the .040
Havnt had issues with .060 distorting, last cub 5 years 850 hrs.
Except throttle quadrant channel exposed to sun/heat.
Staying with aluminum on that part this build.
Im diving into upper baggage build next.
Timely video, great ideas. You building upper baggage door too?
I’d like to see what you come up with
Thanks!
@@9pacokitty Airframes Alaska already has the fame in the gingerbread for the upper baggage door. I just have to make an aluminum door for the hole.
2:00 ‘cough’ ‘cough’ PATEY ‘cough’ ‘cough’
Nice work Greg. Question for you. Are you ex military? You follow to details like one. Keep them coming.
No probably would have been thrown in the brig. I have watched a lot of Seal team 6 so I could be a seal now:))
Your likely aware Greg , build videos are easily as popular as flying adventure videos and among the exact same crowd .. Build videos create and feed an anticipation feeling from the viewer waiting for the next one out ... Whats somewhat unique with yours is there are few build videos amongst the most talented back country pilots ..
Thank you for the kind words.
Is coroplast ever a viable option for baggage areas? Thanks for sharing.
It would probably work for side panels but probably not very durable
Does the 4 place cub have two sticks or just one in the middle of the two front seats?
1 in the middle on this one in the center
I'm curious if you're planning on covering with oratex or poly? Have talked to a few builders lately that recommended oratex
I covered a cub in Oratex once, it has some positive and negative qualities. Too many negatives for me to use it again. I will use Superflite, that is what I used on my yellow and black cub I currently fly.
@@mauleguy good to know, do you mind sharing what the negatives were? Also do you own a machine shop or something? Those look like CNC machines. I guess I kinda figured you were a surgeon or something.
@@MaxRunia Oratex, it is hard to get the tapes to stick, if they come loose even harder to get them to stick back down. Looks okay if you do a really good job, but looks worse after sitting outside for extended periods. More expensive and does not have the track record to back it up of names like Polyfiber, Superflite etc.
I own (3)Haas CNC mills 1 Haas CNC lathe 1 Takisawa lathe and a bunch of manual equipment. Yes I own a Machine shop GSM Inc.
@@mauleguy all good info, thanks Greg!
How big is your metal Brake 12’?
52"
Why don’t you use a bead roller and roll some beads in those panels to stop the oil canning and stiffen the panel?
1:57 Uh oh, who’s he talking about here? Haha
Are you goin with a Lyc IO 360 angle valve ?
Lycoming O-360 A1A with 10-1 pistons, MA4-5 carb
@@mauleguy Do you think the weight gain on the IO 360 AV negates the HP gain not mention the carb ice benefit and fuel economy of IO ?
@@kenw6939 I did the IO-360 in Bushwacker and there are positives and negatives. More complex fuel system requires boost pump and mech fuel pump. Extra weight and from my own experience I don't think there is that much difference in HP between the angle valve and parallel valve both using 10-1 pistons. They are the same bore and stroke. I used a 90" propeller on both pitched to 33" and they both turned 2450 static which tells me they are similar in HP.
I like the gravity fed fuel system and carb for simplicity in a bush plane so that is what I am going with.
I originally thought that the IO-360 would kick ass on the O-360 but that was not my real world experience. Both are great engines with great track records but because a Super cub is more sensitive to weight out on the nose I am going to stick with the O-360. Bushwacker has a heavy tail so the little extra weight out front was not a big deal maybe even a benefit.
@@mauleguy I definitely appreciate the time you take to reply to these questions and comments ! Were sittin around the same Fire as far as thinking on the 4 PC weight and HP ! Been watchin and a fan since the Beginning ! Thanks again Greg 👍
My name is John. Rhymes with Ron. I'll sleep on your shop floor and payment can be just getting my hands dirty helping build a plane. 🤪 🛩
good one:))
Break it down but dont get rowdy. Haha. And yes measuring tapes are not for building airplanes just the box to put them in.
Are we starting a Patey/Maule guy, war????
Nope just jealous:)), Mike is the best at what he does for sure!
@@mauleguy glad to see this comment. You and Mike are at the top of my list of favorites. Visiting with my cousin we think you are the equivalent of the Travis Pastrana of back country flying. Keep up the good work allowing us to watch and hopefully learn. I'm a complete green horn just getting ready to solo with my old sky tractor... tri-pacer 😁
8:47 it looks like that weld at the top of the frame is broken? is that on purpose? do you know about that? watch it and you see it jiggle.
nope no broken welds
@@mauleguy great, false alarm, glad you checked!
What is the tiny fuselage hanging in the corner of your shop? Looks too small to be a full scale and too big for RC. 🤔
It looks like just a tail section of a full size aircraft. Like maybe the last 5’ of it only.
@@chrisluehmann3094 Chris you are correct. After I wrecked Bushwacker in 2104 I intended on extending the fuselage to be longer then a Super Cub by 12". It was going to have a jack screw, rounded oversized vertical and rudder and oversized Super Cub tailfeathers. I built it and had the fuselage complete except for tabs, the more I thought about it the more worried I got that I might be making to many changes to what I knew originally worked great. One night I decided after working for 2 weeks on it to cut it off and go with what I knew would work for sure. A Maule tail section was added a few days later and off to powdercoating it went. I did not have the heart to scrap it so there it hangs. Maybe Mike can make Scrappy #2 out of it :))
Класс! Вау!
Back to work ;)
Have you picked out a name for the new plane?
No I have not, I am open to suggestions. I should have a contest for best name...
@@mauleguy Excellent idea.
Flying or fabrication always learn something on your vids!
Love it. Have a bit of shop envy! Big difference between you and "That guy who has someone fetching him tools and cleaning up after him" is you are doing stuff that makes me think "I can do that". where as "the other guy" is beyond the reach of the average Joe.
Thanks for taking the time to post this. looking forward to this build series