How AGGA Really Works: Buyer Beware
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- Опубліковано 26 гру 2019
- Debunking the myth of how AGGA works.
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Many thanks for publishing this. My hope is that everyone can get good treatment in the years to come 👊
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Welcome fren.
Very good to know. Previously I didn't know much about how AGGA works.
I’ve been seriously looking into this. In doing so, I noticed a lot of patients did not look better after. The cheeks seemed flat in comparison to the new forward jut of the lower face. It didn’t look right...looked better in the before pics pretty much across the board. I’m sorry you have residual issues. Hopefully we will all find something in the future to correct all this. Thank you for your intelligent and extremely well presented information!
With splitting the suture is doing stuff to mandible necessary? What about Mew that it it naturally comes forward, is it because yours was quick there was no time for recovery/ natural adjustment?
I’ve been told by 3 orthodontists that I need MMA surgery to correct my airway. They all believe true maxilla expansion in adults is impossible without surgery. I was on the fence about using appliances (like AGGA) instead. So, it looks like I’ll have to bite the bullet and do braces and surgery.
Thank you for continuing to update us. You’ll make a great orthodontist/dentist one day.
try MSE if its not already too late
Did you get the surgery?
No. Not sure if I’ll ever do anything.
@@StaunchConch Well, thank goodness you didn’t use the AGGA appliance. Just came from a video that documented patient experiences with it, that had traumatic and irreversible results.
What you were told by the orthodontists is true. Maxilla expansion in adults can only be achieved by surgery, as the maxilla has been fused together after puberty.
@@ShadowLinkxMaster We can simply split the suture and applie a good appliance depending on the case of the patient + a face mask fixed on the bone and not the teeth, it should work right..? And boosting Igf-1 by secretagoges and peptides can massively boost the growth potential if used with an appliance nobody thought about that ever except black pillers, i find it to be an amazing idea.
where have you gone? i've so keen to see your progress and whether you're still getting headaches/migraines?
Im wondering the same
Here because of a dumb internet meme, ended up learning something.
Thank you for this!!!! You just saved me a loooot of money, pain, and time!!!!
Great video. Do you plan on making a video about retainers and mewing? Specifically, Hawley retainers.
Thanks for the great content. Watching from Canada. A place where orthodontic treatment is behind.
Thanks for the support. Wishing you well in Canada.
This is a good summary of what people assume AGGA does, vs. what it actually does. I like how you mention that there is benefits to AGGA in some cases and you’re honest that it’s not a cure-all for those with recessed faces.
Thank you. Yes, on Facebook there has been some misinterpretation of the video. Some have concluded that I am universally condemning AGGA even though this is clearly not what I am saying. What I'm really taking issue with is the false narrative around AGGA's mechanism of action, which then leads to misuse of the appliance.
(Info from a QUALIFIED practioner. Which Ron isn't)
I hesitate to post this because I do not want to give credence to Ronny Ead who is a profiteer hawking his “advice” on the internet with no medical training and no evidence to support his claims. However, the growing interest around his amateur videos needs to be addressed considering he is misinforming the public and likely preventing people from getting the help they deserve.
Claim #1- AGGA docs claim bone grows at the tuberosity, not behind the canines where the space appears. This is a lie. This is not what AGGA docs claim. The REMOVABLE growth appliance that we utilize in children develops bone at the tuberosity as this growth center is still active in kids. The FIXED growth appliance that we utilize in adults develops bone behind the canines to displace the front portion of the maxilla forward and upward correcting aberrant growth patterns.
Claim #2- there is no skeletal growth, just changes to the alveolar bone. This is utterly
false. You can look at photos of case after case that show changes such as
enhancement/ development of cheekbones, eyes becoming symmetrical that once
were asymmetrical, etc. These changes WOULD NOT occur if there was no skeletal
growth. Ronnie’s claims that CBCT analysis do not show skeletal growth underlines his lack of understanding of bone physiology. The soft tissue matrix around the bone changes first, stimulating the changes to the skeleton. The bone development process can take years to mature to the point that they can be accurately assessed on CBCT imaging. The CBCTs that Ronnie refers to (which are never shown, by the way) are ones taken the day AGGA is removed. It is simply too early on in the process for this record alone to judge the efficacy of the treatment. You have to look at photographic evidence at this stage to appreciate the true effects of what is happening. Also- the maxilla does not exist in a vacuum. It is attached to other bones in the skull. The AGGA appliance can initiate correction of strains between these skeletal bones, thus making any linear measurement like before and after A point comparison inaccurate as there is shifting of multiple landmarks, not just the A point.
Claim #3- AGGA only flares the teeth. This also is false, the only cases that appear to be flared are those where the teeth were already flared to begin with. What the appliance actually does is correct the growth of the front part of the maxilla forward and upwards, which can make the teeth appear more flared temporarily if they were already flared to being with. The flaring corrects very quickly once in ControlledArch braces. I have many CBCTs to illustrate. If the appliance were only flaring the teeth, you would see gaps forming between the front six teeth. Also, if it were only flaring, the bone behind the canines would appear triangular when AGGA is removed, not rectangular in shape.
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Claim #4- The TMJs are dislocated during AGGA as the mandible is moved forward. Again - this is false and demonstrates Ronnie’s lack of understanding of the TMJ anatomy. The mandible is attached to the skull at the TMJs by many ligaments. It is usually only in cases of trauma that damage the ligaments where the TMJ is actually dislocated. I have been treating TMJ for years and have never seen this occur. I have treated MANY MANY MANY patients with AGGA and have never seen this happen. While Ronnie’s claim that people ended up with huge overjets is questionable, I would argue if it is true, these individuals were not treated by an LVI doctor. Up to date LVI doctors have unique training that allows us to predictably and safely move the mandible to its physiologic position, which works beautifully with this orthodontic technique.
Why do people believe this guy. All he does is hold a color coded skeleton while talking pseudoscience with no evidence. He shows no photos or radiographs to support his claims. He is a charlatan with no medical training that is collecting ad revenue, soliciting donations, and charging people for “consults” when he does not have the authority to do so. Please stop giving him credence as his methods are unethical. He is merely stating his opinion. He shows no science to back it up. It is absolutely ridiculous that we have to spend time defending our methods against someone who has NO CREDENTIALS.
If you have questions, PLEASE talk to your individual doctor. I am sure they will be happy to show you photos and radiographs to help you understand the process and answer any questions that you have. We all truly want you to get better and get the help that you need. Please STOP going to his site, STOP watching his videos as it only makes them more prominent on google and he may prevent someone from getting the help they deserve.
J19 Thank you for sharing more information, however, Ron never claims to be a professional, but a person sharing his journey with others as he searches for a solution.
Something that I’ve noticed, in the before and after pics with AGGA, is that people’s profiles look odd in the after shots. The cheeks stay flat while the lower jaw juts unnaturally forward. The DNA appliance seems to produce a much more natural result but I’m still looking into it to learn more about it.
You state you’ve worked on MANY, MANY, MANY cases. How many?
fecalfunny moment
I hope to see you cover many other appliances, these videos are really interesting
Thank you. I have been both an AGGA and MSE patient, so these two are close to home for me. But if I learn more about DNA and ALF I would consider doing those as well.
I remember thought about that such appliances cannot affect proper bone growing cause it forces to much and that’s not enough time to do all of that and only our tongue can.
Hey man I'm 18 and starting my invisalign treatment to align my bite soon. I've been mewing should I keep mewing when I have them on? Also once it widens the arches, I would probably still need expansion of my maxilla and mandible. What do you think is the best treatment for me? I'll send you photos via email if you need. CAN SOMEONE HELP ME?
Mewing is not something you shouldn’t do, it’s the natural posture of your tongue .
Hey first of all thank you for this video. I am currently trying to figure out if I 'bite the bullet' and get surgery in a place where we don't really have many options for this procedure or if I get AGGA with CAB. Funnily enough the AGGA and CAB with a dentist is more expensive than the orthodontist and max. surgeon but in theory involves less trauma and time off work. Being a healthcare worker myself - do you have any evidence based articles you would recommend backing up what you are saying? As I said I am so keen to start treatment and was disheartened to come across this information and eternally grateful at the same time. Thanks in advance.
I noticed he did not reply, what did you end up doing? Just curious, im going through the same thing.
Thanks for all the helpful info. Curious if you have any insight into Mewing or orthotropic? While I do need all the improvements you described the AGGA is purported to provide I am extremely concerned about the side effects. My goal was to use this as an alternative to CPAP for sleep apnea. Now I am looking at it much more closely. Let me know your thoughts. Thanks in advance.
How has the treatment been at all?
Hi Ronald ,
I wanna consult with you. I tried visiting your website but it just showed a blank page with a password bracket.
Thanks
Sonny
I was wondering who your Agga dr was, how many he had done prior to yours & if he works directly with facial beauty institute.
What do you think of IMDO surgery? Seems like it may be the ultimate solution.
Ok. So you predicate that mse + facebook.com mask is better solution for someone who need to push his mandible forward or what is going on, i dont know if I should wear agga or mse and facemask. I know that every case is individual but generally what are thoughts AGGA or MSE + facemask
Thank you. I tried palatal expanders and injured my front teeth.
Hi, I was trying to get a consultation on your website but when I searched up the website it asked for a password to access your site. What is the password and how can I access your site.
I knew it was tooth pushing, some people report having their cheekbones going inward after agga treatment after weeks.
I read about adults having normal expanders and how they can damage teeth and bone because the suture gets fused permanently at a certain age but was told by a fb group that AGGA is the best way to expand the palate at any age. No wonder im so confused ugh
What about meiwng? Does it work to expand maxilla forward or only does that what you have shown too?
Yes.
Can someone shed some light on the effectiveness of DNA(vivos) appliance? I have an appointment in 3 weeks, and hope to start treatment right away.
You're on the right path
@@JohnJohn-ne4hu hey can you please give your opinion whether dna can be beneficial for opening spaces for extracted premolars because many out there saying it's not worth the price?????
Do you think the facemask can help in betting forward growth? I know you said you didn't really use it because of AGGA and headaches. I haven't really seen any adult patient facemask results tbh. Also do you think this BOW appliance is any good? It looks higher budget than the facemask you showed in the other video:
ua-cam.com/video/Xr-NJH_Nh5w/v-deo.html&feature=emb_title
I have really noticeable forward growth results from 2 weeks of mask use 12-16 hrs per day as an adult female
@@MB-su4tr
Did you use the face mask with the MSE?
Where do you buy one of those little skulls? 🤔
Just dropped a link in the description.
What about the DNA appliances
Is AGGA the same as ALF or a DNA appliance? Does anyone know?
Atta boy, Ron.
Thanks Jay.
When the talent all goes into phys, math, engr, ... You get the rigor found in dentistry...
LOL, right. Now more than ever, as all the truly smart students will avoid dental school like the plague since it requires taking on 10 or more years of financial ruin. Dental school has become exorbitantly expensive.
Hi Rob. Great video. I am currently 4 months in with controlled arch braces. I did not qualify for the FAGGA stage due to an implant for one of my eye teeth. I definitely notice the tipping forward of my front teeth and it’s very concerning. I am getting the process reversed and I hope I’m not too far gone. Have you heard of anyone having success in bringing the teeth back to their original position? I’m hoping that the integrity of my teeth can resume.
Jaw Hacks
this begs the question, is MSE and facemask the best option aside from surgery for the purpose of expanding the jaws and moving the maxilla forward and up?
It seems The facemask does more harm than good and can create an open bite, teeth damage or assymetry
For now, that's what it's looking like.
Facemask may do this if it is attached directly to teeth, but if it is attached to the MSE it will have no negative impact on the teeth.
@@JawHacks Yeah, that's what I recall from your prior video on Facemask. But I want to know what it will do for moving the maxilla and the changes to the mid face and facial hight (all that stuff) if attached to MSE?
mad helpful
Can someone please advise me. I'm 20yo and have an overbite and a narrow palate. I tried mewing but I can't get my thoung up fully because of my narrow palate. what would be the best way to correct my overbite, expand my palate and move my mandibula forward?
MSE with cortipuncture and then BSSO
Bobbob212121bobo what is the benefit of the cortipuncture?
Is ALF the same as AGGA? Can you speak on the efficacy of ALF? Can it decrease torsion in the cranium?
No not at all the same.
"Pushing on teeth and causing a lot of damage."
Well, if the lawsuit is anything to go by, you nailed it almost 4 years ago.
16/M here. I started to mew a few months ago. my intermolar width currently is 40mm. I Noticed that my wisdom teeth have started to grow, and im scared that i wont have space for them. Can i somehow find out do i have space for them, or do i just have to accept the fact that i will have to get them extracted? Thanks.
Consult with an expansion-oriented orthodontist and get their opinion. If your teeth can be saved, they will tell you.
@@JawHacks Damn. We have free healthcare in my country, so we cant really choose our orthodontists. My parents cant afford to go to a private orthodontist either. Guess ill just have to mew harder than ever and hope for the best. Thanks anyways.
pissapalli Are you swedish?
i think this applince for pt. have one plane.. in other meaning the pt. has horizontal problem... but if the half palate in different plane i think diffcult to draw it down .. as vertical motion
Does agga fix overbite?
Here in the UK there are no MSE treatments but there is a process called RME (Rapid Maxillary (Palatal) Expansion).
See Link: orthodontistlondon.co.uk/products/rapid-maxillary-palatal-expansion
Could you please give your opinion on this, whether you would advise it over MSE for people living in the UK. It seems to do the same thing, would you agree?
great video
So what is the best method !? I’m 26 please help 😭
Thank you for the Video, ronny!
Just a quick question: you said, that MSE might not be ideal treatment for someone who needs a lot of forward expansion. I have a recessed lower jaw/chin that is trapped back, almost poking in my neck and resulting in constant clicking and popping and other tmd problems . What alternative to surgery (which I want to avoid), would you recommend? Do you think that agga might still be a legitimate solution for people with my problem, and if yes, how to determine the current status of the alveolar ridge, to know when to stop?
AGGA may be the best option in a case like yours. Another option would be SFOT + Invisalign or MSE + facemask.
Personally I gained a lot of forward growth by just thumb pulling. I think I most likely split some suture because I got a huge amount withing just a few days and ws using way more force than the recommended 0.5kg you'd use with a face mask; also I could hear a few pops every time I pulled.
I noticed my lower jaw closes more comfortable behind my maxilla now and my gonial angle is further away from my neck. I don't even know what suture exactly split or if there are major risks to it, just sharing this is possible
@@asura8495 Could you go into more detail about what you did with the thumb pulling technique? Thanks!
@@rfrazar Basically i just push in the same direction witg my thumps as a facepuller would do, forward and upward. Currently like 5 times a day just until I hear a popping (estimated 5kg of force required for that). At the beginning my idea was just to do it very frequent with much force duration doesnt even matter, just giving forward impulses, that idea came from people on 'the great work' forum doing something similar for sideways expansion. I think my sutures were already split at that point though from really heavy towel pulling I did before (30kg I guess) and before that I daily rested my maxilla/upper teeth on my palm laying on my bed watching yt vids for like 20 mins. Something of that must have split it because by the time I thumppulled, within days I had unexpected major forward growth gains at least 1 cm, undeniably facial changes. thought it would take years for this and not days lol.
@@asura8495 So you towelpulled for how many months to achieve that suture split? How to towelpull? What age did you start towelpulling?
What do you know about OsteoBlock? Another palatial expander?
And this costs $20k? Sounds risky lol
Would you say that Homoeblock and DNA appliances suffer the same problem?
Probably. They are tooth-borne expanders after all. I doubt that they have some magical mystery mechanism that powers them. Most likely they push on teeth, just like AGGA.
I have personally spoken with DNA patients who were very underwhelmed w/ their results and were considering MSE.
@@JawHacks What do you make make of the 3D Scan these appliances use to evidence bone growth outside the aveolar?
Idk if you saw my question in your last video but how can I ease jaw muscles. I used to be able to mew easily all day with teeth together but after chewing hard my muscles can’t keep the teeth together to mew for a week now. How can I make the muscles relax?
Try massaging them with your fingers, or maybe applying some Tiger Balm. I dunno though man I never had this issue.
Jaw Hacks ok I don’t think it’s my jaw actually. But all the sudden my tongue won’t stick up to the top when I put it up. It just goes down quick. This never happens to me before. Is there any reasons for this that you know?
Why is there a password to get to your blog?
where can i contact u
Is AGGA the same as biobloc?
I’m being treated with AGGA from Steve Galela who who I trust more than any of those LVI people or any other AGGA dentist. I mean he is the inventor but he said many people dabble and don’t truly understand how everything works. I got worried for a little bit when you made that post but my jaw is trapped so far back that this seems like the best option
I believe Ron was treated by Steve as well. Good luck!
I was not treated by Dr. Galella.
Jaw Hacks thoughts ?
@@snipemagazine1286 The problem with AGGA is in its misuse, which is common due to the mythology around its mechanism of action. Maybe Galella knows better after all these years and is safer than others.
Did it work for you? did you face any issues?
Where did he go?
Does mewing pretty much have the same affects ?
If done incorrectly *
@@ZUNNI333 I've never actually hear of anyone loosening their own teeth using their tongue, but I'm sure it's possible and has happened. I can tell you that with my teeth loosened by AGGA, I have had to be very careful with tongue placement while Mewing.
Would the DNA appliance be better?
Currently looking into this. My gut tells me that DNA is fundamentally the same mechanism, so results will be similarly limited.
@@JawHacks DNA/vivos pushes on the inner maxillary "U". It applies forces much more similar to mewing than AGGA.
Bro please comeback
What are your thoughts on DNA appliance instead?
exactly what i'm wondering, is MSE overkill if DNA and Homeoblock stuff really works?
I hope he answers this. My dentist wants me to get the DNA, but it's way out of my budget. I keep thinking that there must be something less expensive.
@@janetbeatrice9505 Its the same, the fact that they advertise it as it will "awaken" your epigenetics is just laughable
@@Ufhhh12 Tahnks for telling me. I need to tell her that I need an affordable solution, even if it's not perfect. It took me a while to catch on the genetic part of it and I really don't get that. I'd trust them more if they didn't say things like that.
@@janetbeatrice9505 Your mindset is wrong, get a perfect solution even if its a little expensive, you are playing with ur face, one small mistake and you might end up in BIG trouble, there are usually no shortcuts or magic devices.
Thanks for your commitment to experimentation and to the truth, even when the truth sucks or goes against what you used to believe and made decisions around.
Thanks for the support.
Except that he's totally incorrect. Absolute fraud this guy.
Eastside Dumbbell Yes it works. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. Absolute fraud.
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Eastside Dumbbell Read the link I've posted. Should clear things up a little. Stop taking advice from him. Please !
We patients clearly need better answers, which don't seem to be forthcoming. More than anything, I want to see some detailed data. I know people who were fixed by AGGA, I know people who were hurt - what does it mean? The discussion really needs to be advanced past the endless speculation, but, here we are.
This video really isn't about being fixed or not fixed. It is about AGGA's mechanism of action. Either it is a mechanical-toothborne-pushing mechanism or it is a nasopalatine-nerve-3D-growth mechanism. People might still be "fixed" even if the mechanical-pushing-mechanism I have proposed is true, as I admit in the video.
traditional palate expanders are a better choice
I need some help here, I've been mewing for a while and I've developed like an overbite and my mid face is a little flatter than before, can someone help me or aid me, I don't wanna do orthodontics
Lefort1 + bsso is the only way
Make sure you are breathing thru your nose at all times, with your upper and lower teeth in light contact at all times. In theory the lower jaw should eventually autorotate... which means it will come forward and move up on its own.
ginderellablue aye it did, it moved into correct position - took a whole tho, like a day or two
But I’ve maxed out now so I’m good hahaha
@@dawseyboy1 just lol at the idea that you can change your bimaxillary structure in 2 days.
AR u need hella strong jaw muscles to keep up the maxilla
Then is Bioblock also bad
Hi Ronald, im a agga paintent that regret doing agga.
I'm wondering if it's possible for the teeth to relapse in their original position or if its possible to maybe push the teeth back with braces, or is surgery required?
i wanted to email you but cant find your contact info.
Any updates on this?
@@arcticape445 i'm still stuck with the gapps since i did not take out the wire.
i don't know the answer to the question i asked ronald.
My plan is to fly to Italy to the surgeon that might do the surgery.
he will take a CT scan and if there's still a lot of bone around the front teeth then it's safe to close the gap surgucally, if there is little bone supporting the teeth then im asuming braces to push them back or bone cement :/
@@bitchplease7436 Good luck man, im in a similar situation. This was the worse decision of my life
@@arcticape445 Thanks,
If you dont mind, would you like to explain your situation a bit?
I find it interesting to why someone would do alternative dentestry or whatever you would call AGGA.
@@bitchplease7436 I had extractions as a child and as an adult developed sleep apnea. I wanted forward expansion so I could fit more of my tongue on the palate and decrease my OSA symptoms. In a way it did, but looks like it also wrecked my teeth (and life) in the process. How many mm gaps did you get?
Brilliantly articulated
Thank you for the kind words.
It would be good if you could make more of these well explained videos (with the skull)
Well articulated. But wrong.
Hey bro miss your videos
What should i do with a maxillary and mandibular deficiency at 20?
Matthew Merriman he does consulting on his website I’m pretty sure. I heard its worth it
There's no blanket treatment. Every case is unique.
@@JawHacks Understood Ronald. Have you heard much of the DNA appliance and would you prefer it over agga?
@@matthewmerriman1261 I did the DNA Appliance, and the results are horrible. You won't have any teeth left basically. And there is absolutely no way to Mew and it is extremely uncomfortable, can't talk, eat, or breathe and it is insanely expensive. Bad idea.
@@BigMuscleWoman Definitely not I have heard about the appliance. I'll need some evidence for that honestly
Bro how can i consult with you, i go to your site and it ask me for password
add me on instagram. ronald ead
Jaw Hacks ready bro
@@JawHacks Are you planning on uploading soon? We would love to see your progress.
Should tell this to lvi dentist. They believe in agga for phase 2 treatment for tmd.
AGGA can be good for freeing the mandible to come forward in such cases, as I explained in the video. It is not universally bad. The real problems are with the mythology around it as well as the frequent overexpansion.
I'm being treated through LVI very succesfully using AGGA and CAB.
@@james_119 would you say it's worth going through?
I have a diagnosed class ii malloclussion and overjet in the front teeth. I also have a recessed chin and a IMW of 35mm. I also have sleep apnea.
I have had a consult with a AGGA provider who is a member of the facial beauty Institute in my area, but after research I am not so sure. There is another orthotropic dentist who provides a DNA appliance a little further away, but I am willing to go there if it is for my benefit.
What do you suggest I go for? There is no MSE provider in my state.
Travel for the MSE or do nothing. Don't mess with teeth-pushing if you have sleep apnea. You will never get enough expansion that way.
Jaw Hacks obviously that's not an option, as I just turned 18. If I had to choose one would it be the DNA appliance? I can't just do nothing as i need to expand at least a little bit to fit my tongue at the roof of my mouth. Let me know, thanks!
Jaw Hacks also what state are you getting your MSE provided from, and are you aware of any websites that can help find MSE providers near me?
@@colejs Are you in California? Dr Audrey Yoon does mse treatments in Los Angeles. You can try going there if you're close to Cali.
Isaac Andrade no, in UT. Thanks though.
Can we expand our mouth and teeth with invisalign?
Could RPE work as well as MSE in 20 YR old?
Slow expansion would work best.
You mean with an acrylic expander that pushes on teeth? You might get marginal gains but nothing like MSE. Pushing on teeth is inherently limited by the girth of the alveolar bone.
@@JawHacks I think there are cases where an acrylic expander can "crack" the suture and bend the palatal vault into a better shape, affecting bone shape but only in cases of a very deep palatal vault. That seems to have been my case, but I could still use some real expansion to get proper form. Trying to look into it.
@@JawHacks would MSE be the best thing for 16 year old?
@@denntombstone7004 hey dude you mean a palate expander like mse would lessen down a high vault of plalate?
What's AGGA?
Yeah, I think AGGA is a scam, one ortho was going to charge $18,000. Batshit crazy, he was using buzzwords like epigenetics in the consultation.
I noped outta there so quickly. Some ortho in Lancaster.
Lol exactly man. It's orthodontics meets New Age spirituality.
So it's a scam because its expensive? Other dental procedures cost much more, its just covered by insurance, as this is not.
@@jasonhashem7894 I said it looks like a scam. As in sketchy but not entirely verified.
The appliance itself is very simple to make and manufacture relative to its cost, the the procedure and its effects are questionable at best as Ronald's blog shows.
For the service and appliance alone which doesnt even skeletally expand anything (doing only the same thing as a $300 removable expander can do) is too inflated for it not to be a cash grab. It appears to have large profit margins for the effort and materials needed.
Bro same, I went to him too. Crazy. Maybe I ask who you're seeing or planning to see now? I'm still searching
Any orthodontist could recreate agga with their own materials with much more “effectiveness” like using TADs for cab. They would only charge a fraction of the price. However they don’t do it because they know it doesn’t work.
RIP Ronald. You were a good man and didn't deserve to have your life end the way it ended. Inspiration to thousands and your legacy will live on eternally.
What happened
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What?
Refer to Dental Dork on UA-cam on information regarding AGGA.
Do you know about lefort maxilla 1 2 3
Yeah why?
aesthetics
But it didn’t look like its a 100% know thing like I don’t know if you need to have a lucky face on maxilla punch in the face or just normal surgery no pun intended
don’t judge me I just what to be a stud am attractive black tho am a pretty boy so I don’t have issues
@@Sean-rawlins Lol okay. Do your thing man, I got u.
How many other AGGA/dna patients have you spoken with? Have you heard of any positive results from any of them?
I am a successful case, he has not talked with me.
@@jasonhashem7894 Hi Jason. In what way is your case successful?
@@jasonhashem7894 I'm also curious about your case
@@jasonhashem7894 what improvements did you notice?
@@jasonhashem7894 please share your story with us??
0:26 naah not happening
I'm so glad I waited & didnt go thru with AGGA treatment. I was in a 3-way shwarz appliance and it actually had the reverse effect & caued my teeth to tip inward. Very strange knowing that the majority of cases show of teeth tilting forward.
That is bizarre indeed.
(Information from a qualified practioner)
I hesitate to post this because I do not want to give credence to Ronny Ead who is a profiteer hawking his “advice” on the internet with no medical training and no evidence to support his claims. However, the growing interest around his amateur videos needs to be addressed considering he is misinforming the public and likely preventing people from getting the help they deserve.
Claim #1- AGGA docs claim bone grows at the tuberosity, not behind the canines where the space appears. This is a lie. This is not what AGGA docs claim. The REMOVABLE growth appliance that we utilize in children develops bone at the tuberosity as this growth center is still active in kids. The FIXED growth appliance that we utilize in adults develops bone behind the canines to displace the front portion of the maxilla forward and upward correcting aberrant growth patterns.
Claim #2- there is no skeletal growth, just changes to the alveolar bone. This is utterly
false. You can look at photos of case after case that show changes such as
enhancement/ development of cheekbones, eyes becoming symmetrical that once
were asymmetrical, etc. These changes WOULD NOT occur if there was no skeletal
growth. Ronnie’s claims that CBCT analysis do not show skeletal growth underlines his lack of understanding of bone physiology. The soft tissue matrix around the bone changes first, stimulating the changes to the skeleton. The bone development process can take years to mature to the point that they can be accurately assessed on CBCT imaging. The CBCTs that Ronnie refers to (which are never shown, by the way) are ones taken the day AGGA is removed. It is simply too early on in the process for this record alone to judge the efficacy of the treatment. You have to look at photographic evidence at this stage to appreciate the true effects of what is happening. Also- the maxilla does not exist in a vacuum. It is attached to other bones in the skull. The AGGA appliance can initiate correction of strains between these skeletal bones, thus making any linear measurement like before and after A point comparison inaccurate as there is shifting of multiple landmarks, not just the A point.
Claim #3- AGGA only flares the teeth. This also is false, the only cases that appear to be flared are those where the teeth were already flared to begin with. What the appliance actually does is correct the growth of the front part of the maxilla forward and upwards, which can make the teeth appear more flared temporarily if they were already flared to being with. The flaring corrects very quickly once in ControlledArch braces. I have many CBCTs to illustrate. If the appliance were only flaring the teeth, you would see gaps forming between the front six teeth. Also, if it were only flaring, the bone behind the canines would appear triangular when AGGA is removed, not rectangular in shape.
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Claim #4- The TMJs are dislocated during AGGA as the mandible is moved forward. Again - this is false and demonstrates Ronnie’s lack of understanding of the TMJ anatomy. The mandible is attached to the skull at the TMJs by many ligaments. It is usually only in cases of trauma that damage the ligaments where the TMJ is actually dislocated. I have been treating TMJ for years and have never seen this occur. I have treated MANY MANY MANY patients with AGGA and have never seen this happen. While Ronnie’s claim that people ended up with huge overjets is questionable, I would argue if it is true, these individuals were not treated by an LVI doctor. Up to date LVI doctors have unique training that allows us to predictably and safely move the mandible to its physiologic position, which works beautifully with this orthodontic technique.
Why do people believe this guy. All he does is hold a color coded skeleton while talking pseudoscience with no evidence. He shows no photos or radiographs to support his claims. He is a charlatan with no medical training that is collecting ad revenue, soliciting donations, and charging people for “consults” when he does not have the authority to do so. Please stop giving him credence as his methods are unethical. He is merely stating his opinion. He shows no science to back it up. It is absolutely ridiculous that we have to spend time defending our methods against someone who has NO CREDENTIALS.
If you have questions, PLEASE talk to your individual doctor. I am sure they will be happy to show you photos and radiographs to help you understand the process and answer any questions that you have. We all truly want you to get better and get the help that you need. Please STOP going to his site, STOP watching his videos as it only makes them more prominent on google and he may prevent someone from getting the help they deserve.
Been trying to say this from the jump, but honestly I couldn't have said it better. Awesome vid. And yes, they've all drank the kool aid.
Sorry Ron; not Rob. Typo
Where you been bro? I just got mse in yesterday and it's so painful.
Where are you located? And how much did it cost?
@@fuzuzafitness8354 I'm from Boston but I did a lot of research and found a guy in India. I had to do a sleep study which cost about $75, then I had to get cbct scan which cost another $75. He will examine both and either accept or deny. Whole thing cost me about $2000.
@@mikeg3895 hey I am also from India can you please tell me about the doctor thanks!!!
@@kaisarjahan4214 cool bro send me a pm! Idk how to send it but I don't wanna share his info public
Can u do DNA appliance ?
Once I learn more I will.
@@JawHacks I did a piece on it, and shared it's horrors on youtube. Been there, done that, save your money.
@@JawHacks I wouldn't try DNA..been there & it had the reverse effect.. its just a spin off of a 3-way expander..
@@stewemax Whats better MSE or AGGA? Or MSE with facial mask?
Amazing video! Why don't you change your username into something more professional, since you want orthotropics to be your future profession?
Jaw Hack sounds very childish, like a vlogger describing orthotropics, and not an actual future dentist. Some future patients might trust you more with a different, more professional name...?
Lol yeah maybe, but I like the name for now. Thanks for the feedback I'll keep it in mind.
Because he's not a professional. He's a fraud. All his 'knowledge' is incorrect.
@@james_119 Name calling? Do you have any facts to back it up?
lostxface is losing his shit right now
This video makes me extremely skeptical about using the mRNA device. I'm thinking of just using MSE now; it makes more sense to push on "skeletal bone" instead of teeth and aveolar bone; I suspect mRNA is doing more of the latter. Wish I could be proved wrong though.
@CharlesTron108 but what would be the difference between agga and dna appliance?
@CharlesTron108 I'm considering the mRNA device to treat my severe sleep apnea. I'm curious how long you've had yours and how you're finding it?
@CharlesTron108 I'm in Sydney, Australia. Sounds like it's working for you. What was your AHI before starting with it?
@CharlesTron108 My AHI was 49 unfortunately. I got it down to 39 by playing didgeridoo for 5 months, and 31 with an MAD. Now I sleep with a CPAP machine and am looking at options to enlarge my jaws and airway so I can sleep naturally.
@CharlesTron108 Yeah it sucks big time. Thanks bro.
Whats agga ?
This guy is not a doctor and offers no examples or evidence of any kind "debunking" anything, I mean he's holding a color-coded skull and pointing to it. I have been successfully treated by AGGA and finishing CAB now. Sadly, this sort of misinformation will prevent some from getting the help they so desperately need. Everything he claims that AGGA does not do in this video is false. Wake up, people! If you want to see my story and so many others, they exist. Open your eyes.
Hello, I am curious about your case
@@lorenzoignat6024 what questions about my case can I help you answer?
@@danielgreen8755 Thank you for your response, firstly what was the issue that you wanted to get fixed?
@@lorenzoignat6024 what I started was to persue and document correction of my OSA, and avoid CPAP by returning to nasal breathing, leading to better sleep and putting my bite in its physiologic position. What you have to realize is my bite was never right after retraction Ortho as a teen and my teeth relapsed harshly without proper tongue posture - I didn't know about "mewing" back then. I also wanted to eliminate TMJ signs and symptoms, namely random vertigo and brain fog which likely resulted from my flat face after teenage Ortho. The icing on the cake which I knew was possible but had to experience for myself was the transformation of my midface growth. Development of cheekbones, lips, and midface support. My eyes also straightened, one was always more lazy and now they are really close if not level. For aesthetics without surgery, I can't tell you how many people tell me how different in a good way that I look. Face appears more square and less long and I actually have a jaw line now. I have close to perfect posture and I also had my tongue tie revision released after AGGA which made room for my tongue. All these corrections came about through starting with AGGA and now CAB through development of my jaw. I'm happy to answer more questions if you have them.
@@danielgreen8755 that is amazing, I don't think I suffer sleep apnea, but I also have a really flat face and nose breathing is really hard, sorry if I'm ignorant , but what is CAB? I couldn't find it on Google...
Thanks for the video Ronald. You must be really pissed off after your AGGA experience. I think you've convinced me it's not going to grow my deficient maxilla forward to enlarge the space for my tongue and cure my sleep apnea.
Glad you are seeing the light. MSE for sleep apnea, without a doubt.
@@JawHacks Yes I'm looking at either MSE with corticopuncture or DOME, possibly followed by Maxillomandibular Advancement surgery.
It will work. Don't listen to this guy. He's not medically trained. I used LVI and AGGA and have seen huge improvement. Ron is a fraud. If you want to believe him that's up to you. I wish you all the best.
Like James, I also have had successful AGGA treatment and my OSA is improved. I need to finish completely then have my OSA re-tested.This is UA-cam, not a medical consult.
@@jasonhashem7894 what is OSA?
It is horrible what is going on in the medical industry. It's crazy how so many people trust their health car providers, without researching on the internet. Health Care is becoming more, and more dishonest every day. People won't look things up. People will tell me what the doctor told them, and I will ask them "Did you look that up on the internet to see for yourself?" People refuse to research on the internet to cross reference their health care providers.
Incorrect information , seeking popularity
Are you from India??
Originally,now in aus
Agga is a death sentence. I have done it and it has ruined my life. Unfortunately many others are in similar situation. Ronny is a liar about many things but his overall assessment of agga is true. It is just the latest dental scam out there folks. Please don’t fall for it like many of us have. There is a reason agga has been around for 30+ years with no successes. Additionally most of the agga practitioners are wanna be orthodontists who are looking for a work around to be the pretend orthos they were never qualified to be. Anyone saying anything else is an agga pundit who just wants your money. They turn a screw once a month and collect 20-30k. Anyone that knows Dickersons, Gallellas, Kundel’s, bucks character can easily understand how and why this scam has come to fruition.
I agree with your assessment but am wondering what you think I have lied about.
@A R, Hey man, I'm also a victim. What are you doing now to correct your situation?
Sounds to me like you just went to dentist that is not good at AGGA.
Mew reccomendends expanding extremely slowly, does that not counteract the problems you've mentioned?
Who knows. I think at the end of the day pushing teeth is pushing teeth and it's a risky endeavor that should not be overdone.
DOES MIKE MEW RECCOMEND MSE?
I saw it in one of his videos, so I presume so.
@@JawHacks Thanks, any links to it?
Hey ron, if agga run only teeth, then why not a lefort 1