Yes! or an animated show covering Gandalf's long fight with the Balrog and ultimate resurrection into Gandalf The White and then his journey to Fangorn Forest
There is an adaptation, it is a game called The Lord of the rings Battle for middle-earth rise of the witch King. This game is incredibly fun. In the campaign mode or story mode you play as the witch Kings army then after that campaign you play as the good guys. As the witch Kings army you'll do things like attack Graves and corrupt them recruit goblins and trolls and then conquer some fortified cities.
The Dunedain of the North, probably my favorite of all the Numenorean kingdoms. After such tragedy, they still went thru hardships in the wild to defend what remained of the realm and to protect the innocent people who still dwelt there. And if that wasn't enough, when their Chieftain and King Aragorn called, they rode off as probably the mightiest Knights and warriors in all Middle-Earth to rally to his banner. Such power in their few numbers was immediately recognized by King Theoden of Rohan.
Mae Govannon Mellon! The Witch King is an epic big bad. I will admit that I did not shed a tear when Eowyn and Meriodoc sealed his fate. Keep up the great work Mellon! "ECTHELION!"
ugh immortality w/o a fast forward or sleep button would be hell. can you imagine how frustrated the witch king would be after 300 years of one war & not getting it done? every day just SEND EVERYTHING WE HAVE then WTF YOU MEAN THEY'RE ALL DEAD? WE GOTTA BREED MORE for 20 YEARS again and again?! i'd be like, f-ck it; I'm just going to start a garden
End result of the Angmar was a prryhic victory for Angmar as although the witch king was successful in destroying the former three kingdoms that comprised Arnor. His own army and kingdom was destroyed in the end too and never to re-emerge. While the peoples of the north would become the rangers of the north, from whose chiefdoms would descend Aragorn, the king who would reunite and restore Arnor and Gondor back to its former glory in the fourth age.
I don't see it as a Pyrrhic victory for Angmar. The Destruction of Arnor in it's entirety cost Sauron nothing apart from his servants lives which are worthless anyway. The Witchking did not perish. Even the battle that forced the Witchking to flee would have cost The Elven-Gondorian Alliance precious lives, particulary the elves. If anything it was a crushing victory for the forces of Sauron.
@@Based_Witch_Hunter Certainly achieve the primarily goal of destroying the kingdom of Arnor. However, for me this isn't the be all and end all of the witch kings plan as suspect that after he destroyed Arnor would have gone after remaining strong elvish, dwarf and men realms still around in the northern part of middle earth and to not them out of the fight come war of the ring. However, with the destruction of Angmar and following destruction of all evil forces in the north in the war of the dwarves and orcs and battle of five armies later. Meant Sauron had to create a new entire new base and army from scratch in the north to attack and destroy his enemies there as part of his pincer attack, that never gets going past stage one because of strong realms of free peoples still existing there, that wouldn't have if Angmar hadn't been destroyed at Foerest.
@@Based_Witch_Hunter Yes, if anything it was a pyrrhic victory for the Dúnedain. Even though they defeated Angmar, Arnor was destroyed and much of Eriador was left a wasteland.
I always wondered what really happened to Arnor and it's extremely saddening fate... And the Witch-King got away with it too. Sure, he was killed in the end but that's centuries later...
Problem for a film adaptation is time. It is such a long conflict. I think the best way to make a compelling story in a screen adaptation would be a tragic mini series focused on Earnur.
I would love to have seen this brought to life in live action some time in the early 2000s. Sadly, now I have no confidence in anyone being able to make anything that would be remotely faithful to the lore so thank you for all of your work on the subject!
You know… part of me would like to think he’d offer council to the people of Arnor but was ignored since “It was a land waylaid by man’s inability to set aside petty differences.” But he’d meet the hobbits in the shire and would not be too far away from the action, giving a reason for the Witch King to avoid the shire while explaining Gandalf’s absence in the war.
This would be an epic tale to see adapted in a series format. And I think giving it a slow build up throughout the series focusing on the clashing cuktures and intrigues in the same way Game of Thrones did would give the fall of Arnor the weight and impact it deserves.
I really hope this is what the next Middle Earth project would be about. It would be so epic with so many awsome characters and to see the Witch King return 😍😍😍
A good summary did you present, and it is a good story. Number One was truly a bane of kings. For a antagonist who had just a few lines, no real name and little of background I thin he is among the best and most compelling servant of a dark master in any fantasy. But I think you paint by far a too dark picture of how the rule of Sauron affected the lands. What you describe may fit for Mordor and the land near to it, but the men in the East and South did live under the shadow for centuries and their kingdoms were great, their number plentyfull and their courage and pride high - and in the end quite some of them stood true to Sauron even after his fall. So for his enemies Sauron and his servants were pure horror, but it was not their desire to just leave a barren land behind them for those who bend the knee.
I think a live-action would be great and the best way to do an adaption. The question is would it be better to do a couple/few films or a television/streaming series?
There's one that we know for sure: Khamul the Easterling. Presumably an Easterling king. There's a theory that Isilmo became the Witch-King, but this is just a theory. Shadow of War gave some of the Nazgul names as well, but this is a non-canon videogame.
It'd sure make a great adaptation, but seeing things like Rings of Power, The Witcher, I guess living it well enough alone is the best thing to do sadly.
@@Inoggunous They are making a Gollum movie. So makes sense that they could make more prequel series. The Hobbit movies also provided lots of material to establish a background for a movie with the Witch-king and realm of Angmar.
If You think about all these amazing stories and lore, all the characters good and evil and all the adventures in Tolkiens World and then we end up getting Rings of Power!!🤦🏽♂
The rise of the Witch King and the Great Plague, both in the Third Age, were the work of the hand of Sauron. As a great general does, Sauron was dividing and weakening his enemies before his final push to throw the Elves and descendants of the Numenoreans into the Western Sea. That strategem failed due to the power of Eru and a chance encounter in Bree. (The Quest Of Erebor)
That, or meticulous plundering of 80s and 90s tabletop RPG publications. It doesn't guarantee success, of course. There also needs to exist a will to faithfully bring Middle-Earth to the screen, and not a Fantasy version of 21st century southern California.
I think it would be a challenge to adapt the entire conflict, but it would be a cool setting for a show. In competent hands, I suppose you could try to tell the full story in a multi-season series with time jumps between the seasons. Still, considering the time span of the entire conflict, there wouldn't be a whole lot of character continuity among the humans, who I imagine would have to be the focus of the story. I think it would be a lot more feasible to use this war as a setting for a story; perhaps the events leading up to one of the battles.
I have a question about them why did Sauron not make 3 more Nazgul out of his followers using the 3 Dwarven rings he recovered. From what I can tell the 7 and the 9 were made the same way and Sauron just passed them out the different groups and having 12 near immortal followers is better then 9.
I suppose he could have given the rings to other Men, but my understanding of the lore is that dwarves are resistant to the enslaving abilities of the Rings of Power. Maybe I'm overstating and they could be corrupted over a much longer period of time, but dwarves did not succumb to them like Men did.
That is a good question. It may be that the seven were somehow made with the dwarves in mind (they were good in enlarging treasures if you have already some), and may not "work" so perfect with humans (since the humans who got a ring got more magic powers, strength in battle and as rulers as I understand it). So to speak the rings of humans and men were "customized" for the human or dwarven mind. Maybe he was satisfied with the Nine he had and though he did not need additional servants or did not trust the rings after they failed the first time. And we know that he offered the rings he reclaimed to the dwarves of Erebor shortly befor the War of the Rings so maybe he - knowing very well how long dwarves could cling to "their" treasure - thought they might a good bargain chip in the future...
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader I should have said “he never got all the rings”. It was always my thought that all the rings in the set had to be worn or owned to reach their full potential. Lose one or one is discarded then that weakens the other rings in the batch. Though that could just be how I interpreted it.
Hello there sir it’s just my suggestion but could you do a video on a topic covering alll off the coolest moments and stuff happened on both sides of middle earth (good and evil )
Thanks for that video, it is a great breakdown of the events around the war with Angmar. And I actually would say that an adaptation in form of a series would make much sense to me for this topic then an adaptation of the early second age. Don't get me wrong, I have no ill will towards the most recent adaptation and I do not want to get into details here. But it would have been much easier from a story-telling-perspective to flesh out the events of the Angmar War with far less uproar within the community.
Agreed. The biggest hurdle would be securing the rights to use that source material. I think one of the biggest problems for RoP was that they could only work with the appendices, which creates a huge limitation.
I've thought about a TV show that was based on the Long decline of Arnor. If done properly it would be an epic story, but I have no faith anyone would be capable or willing to adapt it properly.
No matter how powerful or how many resources one has at the beginning, there is no way a war can go on for over 600 years. Both (all sides) would either be wiped out to the point of extinction or not able to birth enough to sustain such a lengthy conflict. If it did go on for that long, it had to have long periods of peaceful/quiet times intersperced in order to rebuild/regroup and resupply.
So many things Amazon could have done to make Rings of Power a great series such as covering something like the Angmar wars. But instead they totally butchered Tolkiens work for the sole purpose of pushing a woke agenda. They crushed the hopes of Tolkien fans world wide who were starving for more of Tolkiens works being put to screen. Instead we got an insult, mockery, and molestation of these storied and beloved tales.
I mean yes they could've done many things different, this aint one of them though. This plays in the third age and has nothing to do with the rings power this is 1000s of years after any of the events of the rings power. So what does it even mean that this couldve been spmething they couldve dpne to make rings of power a great series, well at the same Time you talk about being true Tolkien. How would they be able to use this for that seriea. Something tells me although yes they went a way that barely represents the books untill now, you to know nothing about them. Its quite a laughable comment.. ridiculous suggestion
I love rings of power. I despise the hobbit movies. And who would be a better aragorn? Can't stand that ugly actor who played him in the movies. Clark from ROP for me will always be Galadriel forever more. Blanchett looks permanently high in the movies and just so feeble. Blah.
I have a question for the experienced fans. BEST way to experience the LoTR? *Tips very well appreciated* :) Did watch the movies, tho its not like I watched them yesterday, which is good. Didn't read the books, nor do I know the LORE that Well at all. I'm not sure about learning about the lore first through this channel as an example, then read the books and follow up with movies. OR in my opinion, start with books, whenever I encounter something I wanna find more about, I look it up here for an explanation + visual, and do the movie after I finish a certain part. Best Regards, I only wish we had more movies like LoTR 1 and 2, best thing we did as humans. + two of my other favorites, World of Warcraft Lore, and Harry Potter :D :D .....
The books are the source of everything so start there. Everything else supplements the books, though anything that isnt the books should also more or less be considered non-canon. Even still it can be useful in having a better understanding of the material covered in the books. Audiobooks are fine if they would be more appropriate to your lifestyle over physical reading.
@@zedorian6547 Thank you, yeah audiobooks are awesome as well, tho I like it much more when I already know the visuals of the characters/places/events etc from the movies or whatever content that is out there. I think I'm going to do a mix out of everything :D Now I'm at the beginning of the Return of the King, I like to watch when tired so I fall asleep quickly and gotta rewatch then. Cheers!:)
@@zedorian6547 haha I feel you mate, There is much WoW content out there considering the games, out of around 12 or more expansions wow has, I've played just one , Wrath of the Lich King, and even in a single one there is so much Lore xD ...... It's a fun journey if you are in strategy games especially, I plan to install Wow 3 again, for fun times :) Cheers
Is that how Arvedui is pronounced (4 syllables)? I always assumed it was pronounced in 3 syllables, Ar-ve-dwi, but I never checked. If Glorfindel was really making a prophecy, then does that mean he saw that a hobbit and a woman would bring down the witch king? I wonder if he mentioned that to Elrond or Gandalf at Rivendell. And why would he word it that way in the first place? But if he didn't see that specifically, then he wasn't seeing the future at all, so why was it a prophecy? It was at that point still possible that a man would find the specially magicked sword and kill the witch king with it. When I first read where the prophecy came from, it seemed weird to me for everyone to take one elve's comment as an inviolable prophecy. It was just his opinion, if that. He was trying to talk Earnur down from doing something foolish. You read these things in books and wonder why on earth people think someone saying something makes it absolute truth. In real life, people do even worse, reading "prophecies" into things that were never prophecies in the first place. A lot of back-engineered "fulfillment." It's a really weird feature of human minds.
Ok so maybe I’m overthinking it but am I the only one who thought it was rather strange that in the fellowship of the ring that when Merry and pippin set off Gandalfs dragon firework and Frodo says to Bilbo to watch out for the dragon. Bilbo say in response “Dragon? Nonsense there hasn’t been a dragon in these parts for a thousand years.” That made me ask ok what Dragon or Dragon’s were flying around the lands of the Shire so long ago? Hopefully someone in the community can help me discover the answer to this question.
Yes please let Petter Jackson make a live action movie of these wars would die to see what Petter Jackson could do especially with all of the rights to make a movie or a few movies because this war is to long to have in 1 movie LETS GOOO another trilogy lol
If it had been one single all-out war, you're definitely right, but there must have been very long periods of low-level skirmishes. I would bet the plague brought almost a complete stop to the fighting. Angmar, being located so far north, could never by itself support enough of a population and army to destroy Arnor. They would need time to recover, and mercenaries and subject peoples of Rhovanion and further east would be necessary to swell the ranks. The Dúnedain in Arnor, meanwhile, kept diminishing in number and lifespan. The grind was real.
I would LOVE to see a real live adaptation, but looking at the Rings of Power I fear that some big company would only make a cash-grab of it. Good writing seems to be a lost skill in Hollywood resp. the motion picture industry.
I’m very weary of any movie or tv adaptions ever being made again. Not in the climate Hollywood is in now. An Anime would be awesome. But the West has lost touch with what fans want.
You know… me personally I wouldn’t mind if they threw in a lot of woke stuff in this time period of middle earth. Arnor was supposed to be advanced, but in their wisdom they became fools and lost to darkness. So if Hollywood ever tried virtue signaling with the numinorians of arnor while the witch king is slaughting everyone, it would kind of make sense why their teachings and progress and foolishness was lost to the rest of middle earth.
whoever does it had better fork over the cash for the entire rights and have an actually good director so we can avoid another rings of power fiasco. Also another adaptation i'd like to see is the war in the north during the war of the ring.
The Witch King cannot be killed by a man. We know a woman can kill him. But can Dwarves, Elves or Maiar could? Tolken never states this but they are not Dunadain.
Of all the stories outside of LotR and The Hobbit to adapt to a live action movie or series I've always thought this would be thee best story in all of Tolkien lore to attempt. They NAILED LotR but missed on The Hobbit. While not great, The Rings of Power isn't as bad as everyone pretends it is but I Very much hope the Angmar War gets a chance some day. The stories I hope they leave alone are the high myth tales from the early Silmarillion. I just don't think there's a good way to do creation myths or epic Godly battles justice in live action. The War of Arnor, however, would be thee perfect story to rival a Game of Thrones style adaptation. The only other story that may have been better in this regard was The New Shadow, but Tolkien never ended up writing it.
@@jordanmince7613 in the book she did hit him with her blade, but then passed out and had to be rushed out of battle. That’s not getting “owned” by a woman. It’s getting blindsided with a cheap shot. Eowyn was a cold hearted b*tch in the books lol and I actually loved her in the books but not the movie.
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An animated movie of the Angmar War would be awesome! I would gladly add a movie like that to my collection!
Yes! or an animated show covering Gandalf's long fight with the Balrog and ultimate resurrection into Gandalf The White and then his journey to Fangorn Forest
@@tom-vf1xv that would be just as awesome!!! Good call!!!
There is an adaptation, it is a game called The Lord of the rings Battle for middle-earth rise of the witch King. This game is incredibly fun. In the campaign mode or story mode you play as the witch Kings army then after that campaign you play as the good guys. As the witch Kings army you'll do things like attack Graves and corrupt them recruit goblins and trolls and then conquer some fortified cities.
The Dunedain of the North, probably my favorite of all the Numenorean kingdoms. After such tragedy, they still went thru hardships in the wild to defend what remained of the realm and to protect the innocent people who still dwelt there. And if that wasn't enough, when their Chieftain and King Aragorn called, they rode off as probably the mightiest Knights and warriors in all Middle-Earth to rally to his banner. Such power in their few numbers was immediately recognized by King Theoden of Rohan.
Gondor is my favourite kingdom of Middle Earth they fought Saurons armies for a long time and survived plus I find their history interesting as well.
Great Summary!! thanks again!! You Rock!!
Glorfindel slew a Balrog. The Witch King knew he was outmatched by such a mighty Elf Lord.
Mae Govannon Mellon! The Witch King is an epic big bad. I will admit that I did not shed a tear when Eowyn and Meriodoc sealed his fate. Keep up the great work Mellon!
"ECTHELION!"
ugh immortality w/o a fast forward or sleep button would be hell. can you imagine how frustrated the witch king would be after 300 years of one war & not getting it done? every day just SEND EVERYTHING WE HAVE then WTF YOU MEAN THEY'RE ALL DEAD? WE GOTTA BREED MORE for 20 YEARS again and again?! i'd be like, f-ck it; I'm just going to start a garden
Thus began the great gardening wars of the Shire and Angmar.
Thank you guys, this was a truly excellent video.
Thank you for all your hard work.
I'm still wishing that there'll be a movie or a TV series about the Angmar War.
I'd agree if not for the fact that so far anything made these days is not based on true history but how can we rewrite history to include all! 😢
Yes could make a great movie prequel
Hes definitely one of my favorites! His voice alone scares me! I always pulled for the evil side. Evil is always the more fun side!
Definitely have a task even conveying the highlights of a hundreds year conflict
End result of the Angmar was a prryhic victory for Angmar as although the witch king was successful in destroying the former three kingdoms that comprised Arnor. His own army and kingdom was destroyed in the end too and never to re-emerge. While the peoples of the north would become the rangers of the north, from whose chiefdoms would descend Aragorn, the king who would reunite and restore Arnor and Gondor back to its former glory in the fourth age.
I don't see it as a Pyrrhic victory for Angmar. The Destruction of Arnor in it's entirety cost Sauron nothing apart from his servants lives which are worthless anyway. The Witchking did not perish. Even the battle that forced the Witchking to flee would have cost The Elven-Gondorian Alliance precious lives, particulary the elves. If anything it was a crushing victory for the forces of Sauron.
@@Based_Witch_Hunter Certainly achieve the primarily goal of destroying the kingdom of Arnor. However, for me this isn't the be all and end all of the witch kings plan as suspect that after he destroyed Arnor would have gone after remaining strong elvish, dwarf and men realms still around in the northern part of middle earth and to not them out of the fight come war of the ring.
However, with the destruction of Angmar and following destruction of all evil forces in the north in the war of the dwarves and orcs and battle of five armies later. Meant Sauron had to create a new entire new base and army from scratch in the north to attack and destroy his enemies there as part of his pincer attack, that never gets going past stage one because of strong realms of free peoples still existing there, that wouldn't have if Angmar hadn't been destroyed at Foerest.
@@Based_Witch_Hunter Yes, if anything it was a pyrrhic victory for the Dúnedain. Even though they defeated Angmar, Arnor was destroyed and much of Eriador was left a wasteland.
Great topic, guys!
I always wondered what really happened to Arnor and it's extremely saddening fate... And the Witch-King got away with it too. Sure, he was killed in the end but that's centuries later...
He ran like a cartoon Villan
"Haha, I will get you next time Earnur!" :)
At least his entire army in the nor the was wiped out in the process.
Problem for a film adaptation is time. It is such a long conflict. I think the best way to make a compelling story in a screen adaptation would be a tragic mini series focused on Earnur.
I would love to have seen this brought to life in live action some time in the early 2000s. Sadly, now I have no confidence in anyone being able to make anything that would be remotely faithful to the lore so thank you for all of your work on the subject!
I always wondered where was Gandalf during the War of Angmar
The true question is, where was Gondor when the Westfold fell?
@@strevos100 so true.
Probably smoking crack with Radaghast 😂😅
You know… part of me would like to think he’d offer council to the people of Arnor but was ignored since “It was a land waylaid by man’s inability to set aside petty differences.”
But he’d meet the hobbits in the shire and would not be too far away from the action, giving a reason for the Witch King to avoid the shire while explaining Gandalf’s absence in the war.
Never you mind... I was finding things out as usual, and a nasty job it was
This would be an epic tale to see adapted in a series format. And I think giving it a slow build up throughout the series focusing on the clashing cuktures and intrigues in the same way Game of Thrones did would give the fall of Arnor the weight and impact it deserves.
I love this! The only lore i ever gleaned on this as a youth came from the old BFME: Rise of the Witch-King. So cool to see it really told out now.
The loss of the lands of elendil especially annuminas and fornost I've always Been intrigued with
I really hope this is what the next Middle Earth project would be about. It would be so epic with so many awsome characters and to see the Witch King return 😍😍😍
I wish they did a movie or show of this. To see the orcs sack human and elven lands
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Very good topic! I'm a big Witch King fan.
I think it should be adapted. I think your work is remarkable, and I also think we should talk.
A good summary did you present, and it is a good story. Number One was truly a bane of kings. For a antagonist who had just a few lines, no real name and little of background I thin he is among the best and most compelling servant of a dark master in any fantasy.
But I think you paint by far a too dark picture of how the rule of Sauron affected the lands. What you describe may fit for Mordor and the land near to it, but the men in the East and South did live under the shadow for centuries and their kingdoms were great, their number plentyfull and their courage and pride high - and in the end quite some of them stood true to Sauron even after his fall. So for his enemies Sauron and his servants were pure horror, but it was not their desire to just leave a barren land behind them for those who bend the knee.
I think a live-action would be great and the best way to do an adaption. The question is would it be better to do a couple/few films or a television/streaming series?
Good video
I really wish we'd learn the identities of the nazgul. It'd make such an amazing story! I wonder if RoP writers will attempt it 🤣🤣
There's one that we know for sure: Khamul the Easterling. Presumably an Easterling king.
There's a theory that Isilmo became the Witch-King, but this is just a theory.
Shadow of War gave some of the Nazgul names as well, but this is a non-canon videogame.
Just read the books
@@AlexanderJoneshttps I have read all the books several times. Doesn't mean a visual story wouldn't be great. Don't be so judgey
@@johnquach8821 Yeah, its a great game! I wish they'd remake Battle for Middle Earth. They were so so good!
I think it's best as it is, Tolkien was great at creating depth and creating a sense of unknown too. Makes ea feel more alive
Jackson’s next project should be the 1st age up to the capture of Morgoth leaving Sauron in charge. So many epic tales an heroism.
We have the same kind of war going on now. Since the 6th century.
It'd sure make a great adaptation, but seeing things like Rings of Power, The Witcher, I guess living it well enough alone is the best thing to do sadly.
@@Inoggunous They are making a Gollum movie. So makes sense that they could make more prequel series.
The Hobbit movies also provided lots of material to establish a background for a movie with the Witch-king and realm of Angmar.
If You think about all these amazing stories and lore, all the characters good and evil and all the adventures in Tolkiens World and then we end up getting Rings of Power!!🤦🏽♂
My thoughts exactly. I was so gutted how it went 🤣
An adaptation of the Angmar War would be really cool. Live Action > Animated if done correctly, but I would watch either.
would love to see a tv series on this just as long as got good writers and producers
Is it known what became of the wights in the barrow downs? Was the magic that made them undone after the destruction of the Witch King and Sauron?
I think they existed before, and weren’t necessarily connected to, the Witch King nor Saurons power.
The rise of the Witch King and the Great Plague, both in the Third Age, were the work of the hand of Sauron. As a great general does, Sauron was dividing and weakening his enemies before his final push to throw the Elves and descendants of the Numenoreans into the Western Sea. That strategem failed due to the power of Eru and a chance encounter in Bree. (The Quest Of Erebor)
Instead of a film/series I would like a video game of the whole war, there’s not enough LOTR video games
Do you have the beginning of the Third age map you use? I'm trying to run a game centered on this war/wars
It would definitely be the movie of Middle Earth I would want to see next
👍👍 Thank you!
I think that solid novelization for that era needs to be hammered out first instead of thinly written screenplays.
That, or meticulous plundering of 80s and 90s tabletop RPG publications. It doesn't guarantee success, of course. There also needs to exist a will to faithfully bring Middle-Earth to the screen, and not a Fantasy version of 21st century southern California.
Do not start the attack until the city is taken slay them all.
Really hoping that Warner Bros will make a movie covering the Angmar Wars!
Animated for sure, if gets adapted we prob will get another amazon style ....
I think it would be a challenge to adapt the entire conflict, but it would be a cool setting for a show. In competent hands, I suppose you could try to tell the full story in a multi-season series with time jumps between the seasons. Still, considering the time span of the entire conflict, there wouldn't be a whole lot of character continuity among the humans, who I imagine would have to be the focus of the story.
I think it would be a lot more feasible to use this war as a setting for a story; perhaps the events leading up to one of the battles.
I have a question about them why did Sauron not make 3 more Nazgul out of his followers using the 3 Dwarven rings he recovered. From what I can tell the 7 and the 9 were made the same way and Sauron just passed them out the different groups and having 12 near immortal followers is better then 9.
I suppose he could have given the rings to other Men, but my understanding of the lore is that dwarves are resistant to the enslaving abilities of the Rings of Power. Maybe I'm overstating and they could be corrupted over a much longer period of time, but dwarves did not succumb to them like Men did.
He never got the rings back from the Dwarves.
@@DefinitelyNotBender He recovered at least three and one that was told about (Thrór's Ring)
That is a good question. It may be that the seven were somehow made with the dwarves in mind (they were good in enlarging treasures if you have already some), and may not "work" so perfect with humans (since the humans who got a ring got more magic powers, strength in battle and as rulers as I understand it). So to speak the rings of humans and men were "customized" for the human or dwarven mind.
Maybe he was satisfied with the Nine he had and though he did not need additional servants or did not trust the rings after they failed the first time.
And we know that he offered the rings he reclaimed to the dwarves of Erebor shortly befor the War of the Rings so maybe he - knowing very well how long dwarves could cling to "their" treasure - thought they might a good bargain chip in the future...
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader I should have said “he never got all the rings”. It was always my thought that all the rings in the set had to be worn or owned to reach their full potential. Lose one or one is discarded then that weakens the other rings in the batch. Though that could just be how I interpreted it.
ICE's MERP (Middle-Earth Roleplaying) main campaign is based on this time-period. 1640 third age.
Hello there sir it’s just my suggestion but could you do a video on a topic covering alll off the coolest moments and stuff happened on both sides of middle earth (good and evil )
Thanks for that video, it is a great breakdown of the events around the war with Angmar.
And I actually would say that an adaptation in form of a series would make much sense to me for this topic then an adaptation of the early second age. Don't get me wrong, I have no ill will towards the most recent adaptation and I do not want to get into details here. But it would have been much easier from a story-telling-perspective to flesh out the events of the Angmar War with far less uproar within the community.
Agreed. The biggest hurdle would be securing the rights to use that source material. I think one of the biggest problems for RoP was that they could only work with the appendices, which creates a huge limitation.
Please, make a full story of Radagast the brown
so where were the other 8 when this was happening?
I've thought about a TV show that was based on the Long decline of Arnor. If done properly it would be an epic story, but I have no faith anyone would be capable or willing to adapt it properly.
Live Action would be amazing!
No matter how powerful or how many resources one has at the beginning, there is no way a war can go on for over 600 years. Both (all sides) would either be wiped out to the point of extinction or not able to birth enough to sustain such a lengthy conflict. If it did go on for that long, it had to have long periods of peaceful/quiet times intersperced in order to rebuild/regroup and resupply.
How would the Witch King fare against the Noldor of the First Age ie the likes of Fingolfin, Feanor, Maedhros, Fingon etc?
“It’s worse tan the Hundred Years’ War”- not Lucy Pevensie
Build me an army worthy of Endor
So many things Amazon could have done to make Rings of Power a great series such as covering something like the Angmar wars. But instead they totally butchered Tolkiens work for the sole purpose of pushing a woke agenda. They crushed the hopes of Tolkien fans world wide who were starving for more of Tolkiens works being put to screen. Instead we got an insult, mockery, and molestation of these storied and beloved tales.
I mean yes they could've done many things different, this aint one of them though. This plays in the third age and has nothing to do with the rings power this is 1000s of years after any of the events of the rings power. So what does it even mean that this couldve been spmething they couldve dpne to make rings of power a great series, well at the same Time you talk about being true Tolkien. How would they be able to use this for that seriea. Something tells me although yes they went a way that barely represents the books untill now, you to know nothing about them. Its quite a laughable comment.. ridiculous suggestion
I love rings of power. I despise the hobbit movies. And who would be a better aragorn? Can't stand that ugly actor who played him in the movies. Clark from ROP for me will always be Galadriel forever more. Blanchett looks permanently high in the movies and just so feeble. Blah.
We need both film & animation adaptations of all Tolkien lore. I'm honestly surprised they've never attempted to make graphic novels, at least.
I personally think that it should be animated. But held to the book and events of the war as closely as possible
Seems like a long spread of years to make into a film. Might be done as a trilogy though. It would still have to be limited to a few specific events.
I have a question for the experienced fans. BEST way to experience the LoTR? *Tips very well appreciated* :)
Did watch the movies, tho its not like I watched them yesterday, which is good.
Didn't read the books, nor do I know the LORE that Well at all.
I'm not sure about learning about the lore first through this channel as an example, then read the books and follow up with movies.
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in my opinion, start with books, whenever I encounter something I wanna find more about, I look it up here for an explanation + visual, and do the movie after I finish a certain part.
Best Regards, I only wish we had more movies like LoTR 1 and 2, best thing we did as humans.
+ two of my other favorites, World of Warcraft Lore, and Harry Potter :D :D .....
The books are the source of everything so start there. Everything else supplements the books, though anything that isnt the books should also more or less be considered non-canon. Even still it can be useful in having a better understanding of the material covered in the books. Audiobooks are fine if they would be more appropriate to your lifestyle over physical reading.
Also: I am in your exact boat with WoW lore as I am fascinated by it but I have not played nearly enough of the game to consider myself an expert
@@zedorian6547 Thank you, yeah audiobooks are awesome as well, tho I like it much more when I already know the visuals of the characters/places/events etc from the movies or whatever content that is out there.
I think I'm going to do a mix out of everything :D
Now I'm at the beginning of the Return of the King, I like to watch when tired so I fall asleep quickly and gotta rewatch then. Cheers!:)
@@zedorian6547 haha I feel you mate, There is much WoW content out there considering the games, out of around 12 or more expansions wow has, I've played just one , Wrath of the Lich King, and even in a single one there is so much Lore xD ......
It's a fun journey if you are in strategy games especially, I plan to install Wow 3 again, for fun times :)
Cheers
Is that how Arvedui is pronounced (4 syllables)? I always assumed it was pronounced in 3 syllables, Ar-ve-dwi, but I never checked.
If Glorfindel was really making a prophecy, then does that mean he saw that a hobbit and a woman would bring down the witch king? I wonder if he mentioned that to Elrond or Gandalf at Rivendell. And why would he word it that way in the first place? But if he didn't see that specifically, then he wasn't seeing the future at all, so why was it a prophecy? It was at that point still possible that a man would find the specially magicked sword and kill the witch king with it.
When I first read where the prophecy came from, it seemed weird to me for everyone to take one elve's comment as an inviolable prophecy. It was just his opinion, if that. He was trying to talk Earnur down from doing something foolish. You read these things in books and wonder why on earth people think someone saying something makes it absolute truth. In real life, people do even worse, reading "prophecies" into things that were never prophecies in the first place. A lot of back-engineered "fulfillment." It's a really weird feature of human minds.
Interesting.. I just finish watching the LOTR Return of the king. My all time fave movie.
The R in "War was cut off in the thumbnail, i thought the video was called "The Angmar W.A.P." 😂
I was literally complaining about how long the intro was when you mentioned it was over the top
Ok so maybe I’m overthinking it but am I the only one who thought it was rather strange that in the fellowship of the ring that when Merry and pippin set off Gandalfs dragon firework and Frodo says to Bilbo to watch out for the dragon. Bilbo say in response “Dragon? Nonsense there hasn’t been a dragon in these parts for a thousand years.” That made me ask ok what Dragon or Dragon’s were flying around the lands of the Shire so long ago? Hopefully someone in the community can help me discover the answer to this question.
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Would not mind watching that. The witch king and the other 8 are some of the only reasons I have interest in LOTR.
I personally pissed on Mordor to try to pull out the volcanoes and put them out, then took a dump on them
Would love to see this animated like the original lord of the rings from the 50s.
Yes please let Petter Jackson make a live action movie of these wars would die to see what Petter Jackson could do especially with all of the rights to make a movie or a few movies because this war is to long to have in 1 movie LETS GOOO another trilogy lol
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Sauron has yet to reveal his deadliest servant also he stabbed Frodo in the first movie
But it already was adapted... battle for middle-earth 2 pc game had an Angmar campaign expansion
Dark king Strong!
621 years? I think you would run out of viable soldiers long before then.
If it had been one single all-out war, you're definitely right, but there must have been very long periods of low-level skirmishes. I would bet the plague brought almost a complete stop to the fighting. Angmar, being located so far north, could never by itself support enough of a population and army to destroy Arnor. They would need time to recover, and mercenaries and subject peoples of Rhovanion and further east would be necessary to swell the ranks. The Dúnedain in Arnor, meanwhile, kept diminishing in number and lifespan. The grind was real.
I would LOVE to see a real live adaptation, but looking at the Rings of Power I fear that some big company would only make a cash-grab of it. Good writing seems to be a lost skill in Hollywood resp. the motion picture industry.
I’m very weary of any movie or tv adaptions ever being made again. Not in the climate Hollywood is in now. An Anime would be awesome. But the West has lost touch with what fans want.
You know… me personally I wouldn’t mind if they threw in a lot of woke stuff in this time period of middle earth. Arnor was supposed to be advanced, but in their wisdom they became fools and lost to darkness. So if Hollywood ever tried virtue signaling with the numinorians of arnor while the witch king is slaughting everyone, it would kind of make sense why their teachings and progress and foolishness was lost to the rest of middle earth.
whoever does it had better fork over the cash for the entire rights and have an actually good director so we can avoid another rings of power fiasco. Also another adaptation i'd like to see is the war in the north during the war of the ring.
Funny thing how in movies they are portrayed so weak …
Agree with you. That Aragorn can drive off FIVE of them in a straight fight, and in the darkness no less, does the Nazgûl a fair bit of injustice.
tbf witch king looked decent
TV series would be interesting
I still say that the Witch King is Ar-Pharazon.
Isn't he stuck in a cave in Valinor?
The Witch King cannot be killed by a man. We know a woman can kill him. But can Dwarves, Elves or Maiar could? Tolken never states this but they are not Dunadain.
I hope we get these wars in the later seasons of Rings Of Power 😩😩
Not in today's Hollywood! Just leave it alone.
Of all the stories outside of LotR and The Hobbit to adapt to a live action movie or series I've always thought this would be thee best story in all of Tolkien lore to attempt. They NAILED LotR but missed on The Hobbit. While not great, The Rings of Power isn't as bad as everyone pretends it is but I Very much hope the Angmar War gets a chance some day.
The stories I hope they leave alone are the high myth tales from the early Silmarillion. I just don't think there's a good way to do creation myths or epic Godly battles justice in live action. The War of Arnor, however, would be thee perfect story to rival a Game of Thrones style adaptation. The only other story that may have been better in this regard was The New Shadow, but Tolkien never ended up writing it.
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Its just ironic how no man can kill the witch king but got owned by a woman😂😂😂
That only happened in the movies.
@@DefinitelyNotBenderand the books
didn't really get owned did he
@@jordanmince7613 in the book she did hit him with her blade, but then passed out and had to be rushed out of battle. That’s not getting “owned” by a woman. It’s getting blindsided with a cheap shot. Eowyn was a cold hearted b*tch in the books lol and I actually loved her in the books but not the movie.
yuck
You gotta get with the lingo man “Angmar Wars” is known in Tolkien’s work as The Fall of Arnor