Why Leeds United's Summer Is Going From Bad To Worse
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- Опубліковано 13 сер 2023
- Expressing a feeling of sympathy for Leeds United as a neutral fan is admittedly quite a controversial path to tread but I'll be honest with you, the summer Leeds fans have had could soften even the coldest of hearts towards them.
Jack Harrison has now officially made a season-long loan move to Everton, Willy Gnonto is (I believe) still refusing to play, Daniel Farke spoke about Luis Sinisterra not being available for selection after they lost at the death against Birmingham on Saturday; it all just feels as though any (possibly misguided) hopes of an immediate return to the Premier League are making their way swiftly out of the window as we edge into the final couple of weeks of the summer transfer window.
I'm intrigued to hear what Leeds fans have got to say about it all, so if you count yourself amongst that number and wouldn't mind giving me your thoughts in the comments section below, I'd be extremely grateful; as I would if you're a nurtural with a perspective on it.
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From a Leeds fan, thank you for the way you have put the point across regarding the nightmare that’s going on with my beloved team. You have obviously well researched the happenings going on at LUTV. We appreciate the the soft spot that you have for Leeds United. Happy to subscribe to your channel 👏 👏
That’s incredibly kind of you, Stephen. Hopefully you’ll enjoy everything I put up on the channel going forward too.
Another Leeds fan here and I think you have described the present situation in a balanced and professional way which is very much appreciated. The only positive I can think of out of relegation is not having to put up with the dreadful ex-Director of Football Victor Orta and his blooming stupid clauses in players’ contracts. CU back in the PL whenever that may be. Marching on Together upwards & onwards from the Basque Country!
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Everton fan here and cant say I agree with how the lad is handling his situation. Everton have had this happen to us recently with TG and its never a nice place to be.
Problem we have is we are fairly skint for FFP and only so far we can stretch. Leeds want what they value him at. There isnt a queue at the door and Leeds have given players some crazy clauses (see Harrison). Not sure where this leaves the lad if it doesnt happen. But we have done this dance before with our players previously , turn the fans on them and then say we had to let them go cos what else could we do.
Whole thing is a mess and I am sure if we had more ability to be financially flexible it would be done already. But when you have both teams under FFP hammers its tricky.
Hopefully Leeds come back up regardless of whatever happens with the player.
Leeds fan here, it’s so nice to hear that you hope LUFC return to the PL next season, as all Leeds fans, I am passionate about my club, I love my club, but I fear this hope of us going up for next season is massively against us. The way things are happening with players leaving basically on a free transfer is nothing short of stunning. There isn’t a club in Europe that would’ve handed out contracts the way Orta did. At least we know why Jack Harrison was so happy in April when he signed a new contract, it was a win win situation for him.
As a Leeds fan,I can only describe it as the worst pain I have ever endured.Thank you for the excellent video.We just have to fight on.
That’s extremely kind of you and as I said on Twitter, despite it being a somewhat controversial statement, as a neutral, I do feel genuine sympathy for you. Hopefully you get a lot from the content I produce for the channel moving forward. Cheers. ❤️
Thank you for this balanced and well presented video. In a nutshell, Leeds have shipped out 18 players (will be 19 with Sinisterra, 20 if Gnonto goes) 8 of whom are first team squad generating a total income of €3.9m . Against that we have recruited 4 players costing €8.5m - no typos here these figures are desultory. Harrison just gone to Everton (another non-fee) on loan. Why on earth would a club do business with another club they have threatened to sue over financial irregularities? This really is a sad time to be a Leeds fan. Would be happy to avoid relegation this season. Happy to subscribe, best wishes.
For all of the loan moves thus far Leeds have had no say in. The players were given contracts allowing them to leave on loan if the club got relegated. This is all the fault of former sporting director Victor Orta who was incredibly stupid by giving away all these ridiculous contracts
Thanks very much for taking the time to comment, David. I think you’ll be comfortably mid table at worst but I can certainly see why you’re worried.
Hey, Leeds fan here. Thank you for your empathy and balanced view on our current situation. It sure has been a tough 18 months.
Our fanbase tend to react very strongly to anything that happens at the club, positively and negatively. It’s what makes us one of, if not the most passionate set of supporters in the country but also leads us to react very strongly to the bad stuff. It sometimes feels like and overreaction but this time it really doesn’t. Our previous ownership along with the old DOF have really left us in a pit through their own ego and naivety. I think most of us are just in a shocked and confused state because we just don’t know what’s happening and how we’re going to recover quick enough to turn things around this season.
However I would say a lot of flack is now being thrown at certain people I don’t think deserve the level of hate that they’re now getting (49ers and Harrison specifically). While the 49ers were on the board for the last few years, they had no real control of the club and as a consequence they are now cleaning up a big mess. Harrison was one of only a few players that actually pulled their weight last season and quite frankly he does actually deserve to be playing at a higher level, just a kick in the teeth that it’s a club that were in the same situation as us last year.
I hope things turn around but I’m just very very concerned that we’re going to lose the opportunity to bounce straight back.
I couldn’t disagree with a word of that from an outsider’s perspective. Thanks so much for taking the time to give me your point of view. Hopefully you’ll enjoy the channel moving forward too. 🤝
This is Leeds all over, Leeds have always had players that cause trouble, remember Kenny Burns, Peter Barnes and many more over the past years... Great vid and point of view
Thank you for your well balanced point of view. We are the equivalent of the 'keystone cops' with benny hill background music!!!
It’s my absolute pleasure Steven, I still think you’ll be genuinely competitive because of Farke but I can certainly understand why you’d be worrying. Hopefully you’ll enjoy the channel moving forward. 🤝
Great video. You hit the nail on the head with many of your points, and it was great to hear a neutral (for once) having some empathy for Leeds fans and what’s going on at the football club right now. MOT.
Ahhh, that's fantastic to read Jonathan. I do my best not to be biased when it comes to matters relating to clubs other than my own. Hopefully you'll enjoy the channel moving forwards. Top man.
Thanks for a balanced view on what's going on with our club 👍
I don't understand why players sign long contracts and thibk that they're entitled to leave whenever they feel like it. We got relegated and Harvey Barnes (whose twice the player than Gonto) wanted to move on but he still trained with us because he understood that he could only move if we got a good fee for him
Good video, looking forward to seeing more
It’s a very modern phenomenon with players it seems. You’re right though, it’s the epitome of unprofessional behaviour. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment. Hopefully you’ll enjoy the channel long term.
I'm on the Everton side of this story and I don't like the way Gnonto has treated Leeds. As much as I want the lad to come into the club, Leeds have reacted well in publicly showing that he will be pubishd. The same happened with Gordon and when he refused to turn up to training, I thought it would be best to cash in. Therefore, I think for Leed's season, its best to let him leave to a club to gain funds and get a player that the fans will no longer accept stuck in the club
I totally agree, from a neutral perspective it’s a dangerous shift if he ends up winning it. Thanks very much for taking the time to comment mate. 🤝
As an Everton fan I completely respect people’s opinion I personally do think though we need to cut players some slack when they force moves. At the end of the day, clubs are no better and clubs break contracts all the time when they sack managers when they feel like it for example. Also there are many many cases that have happeend where a club is broke and need the money so they force a player out who may have actually wanted to stay. I saw a story of Troost Ekong saying he was basically forced out of this Turkish Club he was playing at because they wanted the money and he would have liked to stay but they pressured him into accepting terms with the buying club. Clubs literally do this to players all the time. I believe Sporting did the same yo Chermiti as well. Chermiti according to Portuguese papers wanted to stay at Sporting and Sporting wanted the Chermiti money to fund the purchase of Morten Hjulmand. So I believe Sporting said to Chermiti “You’te going to everton. We’re accepting this bid you’re going” that’s not honouring contracts in my opinion and clubs do this all the time to players when they need funds to buy other players, etc. So I think it is wrong to judge players for forcing moves when clubs force players out all of the time plus the abysmal way in which clubs have free reign to sack managers whenever they like. Clubs have very little loyalty either to their players
I just think at the end of the day clubs throw managers and players under the bus all the time and treat them like disposable objects then complain when managers and players do the same to them. Its having your cake and eating it
Great video as a Leeds fan. love to know why Willy Gnonto thinks hes got a devine right to play in the Premier League he contributed very little last season and was part of a team which went down pathetically like we did.
I think his issue is that the Italian fa has told him he won't feature in the team unless he's in a top flight league.
I saw Leeds first in 1964 aged 4 yrs, we don’t ever do things the easy way. What an excellent video well thought out and very knowledgable
Well done 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks so much, Mick. Hopefully you’ll enjoy the uploads to the channel moving forwards too.
spot on with everything you've said mate. we're currently in turmoil and really feeling the full effects of the relegation hangover.
Really appreciate that, I have to say, I was a little surprised to see so many pundits tipping you to bounce back immediately. Thanks so much for taking the time to reply; hopefully you'll enjoy the channel moving forward too.
Mate your smashing it with these YT videos! Keep up the great work and confidence! Good conscious analysis and easy to consume amongst some of the waffle on here!
Ahhh, Ollie. That’s so, so kind of you. This is just the start. Really looking forward to it all.
The situation at Leeds are tragic in football terms. Its unreal.
Great video mate. Appreciate the content! Leeds fan in Upstate New York 🤘🏻🗽💙💛
Refusing to play it not on. He is an adult and signed a contract. Not sure about Leeds financial situation but for me dont pay him and dont let him train. That will send the correct message. What a mess.
As I said in the video, I’ve no idea how employment law on such things. From a moral perspective, I’m 100% with you though. Thanks very much for taking the time to comment; hopefully you’ll enjoy the channel moving forward too.
Massive thank you for this video. You've really hit the mark, and it's very much appreciated to hear an honest natural view on our predicament 👏
That’s extremely kind of you, Garry. Hopefully you’ll enjoy the content I produce on here long-term too.
Wow this is the first time I've seen your face after listening to you every day since you started the daily Palace pod. Feels like I've just met a pen pal hahaha
Gnonto needs to honor his contract, period. I’ve been harsh about the direction of the club. I’ve called for it to be stripped down to the core and built out again. In this case, Gnonto needs to nutt up and be a man of your word. I can see his side, Leeds is going down in flames this season, that’s a fact. He doesn’t want to have to live through this disaster. However, his brand is taking a massive hit. If I’m a forest or wolves or even an Everton, no way am I giving away any $$ to a player who won’t honor his word.
I make you right. It’s a dangerous shift otherwise. Thank you so much for taking the time to comment, David. Really hope you enjoy the channel moving forward.
As a Leeds fan, I’m not too phased by Harrison leaving, it was bound to happen. The issue is that we’ve not gotten a fee for him, but in light of the last couple of weeks that’s not surprising either. As for Gnonto, I wouldn’t sell. I’d dock all the wages I can and dump him in the 21s away from the first team until he sorts his attitude out or, as you say, someone is willing to pay good money for him. It’ll teach him and all his u21 peers a valuable lesson. As someone else said, we Leeds fans tend to be hypersensitive to things good and bad, and at present the consensus is very doom and gloom. I myself am going to withhold my meltdown until the window officially closes, anything could happen between now and then. We have very little knowledge of what’s going on behind closed doors and we have no idea what team we’re gonna end up with come the end of the window. May as well keep calm until then.
Spot one great assessment, Victor Orta has well and truely screwed us over. Squad has been decimated, we'll be lucky to stay in championship if we dont get 6 players in. Our front line against Birmingham were all out on loan last season. SOS!
Thanks so much Tim; as I said in the video, I still think you’ll be competitive, I just don’t see the favouritism so many have put forward. Really appreciate you taking the time to comment.
Leeds fan here.
It all stems from the rancid job Victor Orta has done, our previous Director of Football that was sacked in May. Added relegation loan clauses in basically every new signings contract since promotion, allowing them to leave without the club recouping a fee on any of the players. Never heard of such a clause before, mental.
His complete incompetence was highlighted by Jack Harrison’s contract extension in April. 2 points above the drop, looking destined for relegation, Orta negotiates a relegation loan clause in Harrison’s contact. So, so incompetent.
He left Middlesbrough in a similar mess, the job he had before he moved to Leeds.
Yeah, it’s basically Orta throwing a grenade into a room, closing the doors and running off. I truly do feel for you. Thanks so much for replying. Hopefully you’ll enjoy the content moving forward on the page. 🤝
@@HLTCOMEDIA Also feels like, to me anyway, that these ‘get out of jail for free cards’ that the players essentially had with the loan clauses were the reason they all looked so half arsed during a relegation fight, knowing they can just leave amid relegation. Such a mess.
No worries as well mate. Great video, and love the content on Twitter.
Very 'Frank and Sensibly' comments very good and excellent podcast,
Thanks so much for taking the time to reach out. It honestly means the world.
Coming from a Leeds perspective, I can only describe the situation as pitiful, but not unexpected. We never do it the easy way, always complications. Thanks for a very good video, probably wont be seeing you in the prem any time soon.
Seeing so many pundits tipping Leeds to take the league by storm is the thing which has shocked me most to be fair. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment; it means the world. Hopefully you'll enjoy the channel moving forward too.
@@HLTCOMEDIA The Championship is notoriously hard to get out of, but this season looks like a golden opportunity because the teams in it look piss poor. If some of those players who activated their release clauses had stayed I think we'd have smashed it. We out played Birmingham with a youth team and lost to a silly penalty because we don't have a fit striker.
We from leeds do everything in pints never in half's.
Player power seems to have gone too far the other way recently, far too common players just sit out and refusing to honour a contract after signing it
As a West Ham fan, can only commend the likes of Paqueta for continuing to perform during interest from bigger clubs
What a reception these players will get if they return in a cup game etc...
It's a mess left by the last owners and managers...
Good crop of kids but in this league you need some steel, some experience..
Very good point, toxic may not even begin to cover it. Thanks for taking the time to reply. Hopefully you’ll get a lot from the channel moving forward too.
Fantastic video mate hope things get better going forward for us
Great post. Very knowledgeable as well.
Thanks so much, Steve. Hopefully you’ll get a lot from the channel’s content moving forward too.
If Gnonto and Summerville end the season with championship winner's medals, they'd be a far more interesting prospect for teams yet, the value of them then puts Leeds in a strong position because Leeds also will be Premier League again. The pair of them are low earners and Leeds are currently positioned where it would be impossible to replace them like for like in quality. All drama, the fans were told about the situation yet a bit of trust and patience would be wise, a few more additions through the loan market and other adjustments will see a top six finish at least, no worries.
This is always the biggest conundrum, replacing top talents at clubs who aren’t “elite” is often bordering on impossible. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment.
I have no sympathy for anyone in the boardroom dealing with the fallout from all this. 49ers have been involved with the club since 2018 and had held just under a 50% stake since 2021. They will have had knowledge about these release clauses that have absolutely hamstrung us this summer, not least when they were doing the due diligence prior to the full buyout. As for Angus Kinnear, he was the MD overlooking the recruitment of the most mentally feeble group of players this club has seen in many years. He signed off on contracts allowing players to leave on loan should we go down and in Jack Harrison's case, at the beginning of April when we were circling the plughole. It's an absolute disasterclass in how to run a relegated club, the 49ers are off to a rocky start and Angus Kinnear should be sacked for gross incompetence. Don't even get me started on Radrizzani and Orta. I wouldn't be shocked if we ended up in another relegation battle this year unless we start signing some quality players at a rapid rate over the next couple of weeks.
We were somewhat prepped for this by Farkes comments when he arrived. We also knew there were a lot of players with relegation clauses albeit the sheer number of them with Loan clauses has been a surprise. Harrison the most surprising of the lot given his contract was signed 4 months ago, when the writing was on the wall in terms of premier league status.
The Gnonto situation seems to have surprised the club hence them going on the defensive. It's clearly a messy situation and given his agents track record, I doubt it's as clear cut as the media currently have it.
What the club did know that us fans didn't is how many of these players were at risk and they've been slow off the mark in terms of getting to work on retention and transfer activity. I think the transfer activity is somewhat hindered by they stilll don't fully know what we will need when so many players are uncertain. Nat Philips is an example, we ar heavily linked with a £10+ million move for him, but if you suddenly lose all you best attackers, does a £10m CB become the priority anymore?
Quite simply the answer now is to get busy and quick. A couple full weeks left to get names through the door and give Farke a shot at producing something. I think they nailed the coaching appointment and hopefully he was well informed as to what he was walking into. Farke will get a middle of the pack finish with an average crop of players in this league. Give him 3 or 4 bits of quality and a nice slice of luck and he can mount a promotion charge.
If we continue to be slow, then it's about clearing the decks and preparing for a proper challenge next year unfortunately.
I think you’re spot on about acting quickly. Whether people like or loathe Leeds, no one can deny the pull they have to potentially interested players. You’re spot on about Farke too as far as I’m concerned. The definition of Championship proven. Thanks for taking the time to comment. Hopefully you enjoy the channel moving forward. 🫡
@@HLTCOMEDIA I think its a little easy to talk about the need to act quicker. When we do so we often forget they didn't know what was happening in terms of the previous owner trying to use the stadium as collateral, the need to appoint a new manager, their plans to redevelop the stadium and all this happening while the EFL seems to have taken as long as possible to sanction the take over, putting it back weeks and therefore limiting the amount of time they have to do all of the above AND bring in new players. With how slow negations with players and agents can be, the EFL really put them up against it
Great vid mate as always. Keep up the fantastic work
Thanks so much, Dan. It’s great to have you subscribed and watching. 🤝
Thanks for your thoughts towards leeds I'm a leeds fan and each week that goes by seems like another kick in the Teeth. Just when you think things can not get any worse something else unravels. I do believe in farke and the 49rs but it feels like radz and orta dug a big hole and now farke and 49rs need to fill it back up with no soil or shovles 😂
This is always my thing; despite the Marmite feel towards Leeds from many neutrals, there's no denying the rubbish you've had to put up with most of the last 20 odd years. Thanks so much for taking the time to reply; it honestly means a hell of a lot. Fingers crossed you'll enjoy the content I put up on the channel moving forward too.
We're one of the most hated clubs in the country so most neutral fans seem to despise us, so it's acctually nice to see someone who doesn't 😅
We're in an awful situation at the moment, but unfortunately thats football and as weird as it sounds, thats why we love football, because of the highs and the lows and the emotion we feel. We'll get through this and will make the highs even better. Would still take this over being a man city fan where the lows are finishing 2nd
You're not wrong, Leeds are certainly a club you'll struggle to find much sympathy for in neutral corners. That said, I do my best to try and be fair to all clubs (with some notable exceptions). Thanks so much for taking the time to comment; hopefully you'll enjoy the channel moving forwards too.
Quality post 👏
Really well balanced video this, first video I've seen of yours. Impressed the detail and your take.
I get the understanding that you probably are more sympathetic to our plight due to the contractual wranglings that Palace have been though 👍
Thank you very much; being a Palace fan certainly offers a degree of perspective. Haha! Hopefully you’ll enjoy the channel and the content I produce long term.
Feels like the seasons over already 😢
As I just said to someone else, I feel like the "pull" of Leeds is still big enough to work if you can act quickly in the market from this point on. I do understand where you're coming from though.
I’ve been a Leeds fan 30 years. I’ve had reality kick idealism/optimism clean out of me for most a that time. The last few weeks would just completely sicken ya, cowardly owners, cowardly players and it’s always the fans that pay. 2 games in and I’m sick of this season already
Another great video!
Keep em coming 🤝
Thanks so much, Lewis. I certainly will be.
As a leeds fan you’ve hit the nail on the head. Great content as always
Thanks so much, Oliver. That’s incredibly kind. Hopefully you’ll get a lot from the content I create for the channel moving forward.
Brilliant video mate. So well informed and a very measured opinion. From a Leeds fan top man!
We'll be lucky not to follow sunderland's example, lost almost all players with any ability on loan, EFL FFP are preventing us from spending any money and we couldn't fill our bench away at birmingham with 2 players on there being reserve keepers. Fucked doesn't begin to describe it
I think you’ll get a fair few new faces in between now and the deadline but I can completely understand your trepidation given the way things look right now. Thanks very much for taking the time to comment. 🫡
Very good. Cover more Leeds please
Thanks very much, Ben. I intend to be uploading every weekday from now on, so you’ll no doubt see plenty more.
Great review, when Leeds sort themselves out and if they managed promotion, wouldn’t it be funny if Everton get relegated with Harrison or Gnonto going the other way. Unfortunately we would have to take them back after the loan. I would definitely sell the rats then though asp.
I have said to a couple of people today that I feel like Leeds “pull” is still strong enough to attract the quality of player needed for Farke to get you back, just needs to happen fast. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment, hopefully you enjoy the channel moving forward.
Lufc fan here its not just gnotto its alot of young kids player professional football going on like there on min wage or job seekers grow a pear and honour your word
Great take, subbed.
Thanks so much mate. Hopefully you enjoy the channel long term.
@@HLTCOMEDIA Will definitely watch more of your content, just subbed on Twitter too.
I don't watch footy channels normally, but it was a breath of fresh air hearing a thought out (and sane) take on this whole fiasco,
Good luck for the season on both fronts.
As a Man Utd fan I can’t say I’m not enjoying it, but I completely agree with the points raised! Great vid!
Thanks so much for taking the time to comment, James. Hugely appreciated. Hopefully you'll enjoy the channel as it (fingers crossed) grows.
Leeds fan here so true Leeds are falling apart again, everyday another soap opera don't get us started on the rutter signing.the Augustan fiasco, dirty Leeds,gypsy curses great content. I think leeds these days get alot of fans from the revie days or now in the doldrums they root for the under dog.
@@matthewmulholland1797 not with our rose tinted glasses on it ain't lol.
I fear we are all going to have to get use to it but if Leeds don't recruit & recruit quick it might be another 16 years back in the Championship ! The new owners have to look forward & forward plan accordingly otherwise that will be the only outcome !!
This was going to happen when you were relegated most of that team you had in the premiership were leaving anyway that's what happens you have to rebuild the club bad yea but that's what happens
If a player refuses to work for his company .. He should be suspended until further notice" Without Pay" until he can win his case.. Am I right or wrong.. MOT
orta was a disaster - still dancing on our graves!
I'd rather see a big club like Leeds than tiny clubs with no history like Bournemouth, Luton, Brighton, Brentford, Fulham away.
Leeds arrogance has come back to hit them in the face….
Hes played a few games, hes not worth 20 million LOL....Leeds are crazy as hell.
Gnonto is not that good a player.. Leeds should sell him as soon as possible and buy someone who is fully committed to the club while there is still time.
You need a light or rim light on your face 😊
Leeds will go straight back up it early door FFS I see Leeds and Leicester and Southampton going straight back up