@@MDJeez888 Is it though? This video had a lot of red flags. Nervous director, no gameplay, no details about the specifics, answers to questions no one had asked and a distinct lack of answers of the things people actually want to know, like "Is this game a hero shooter" debacle If they stayed under the radar it would have probably been better than... this.
it would be fine if they had runner platforms like "thief" that had some unique abilities and model designs, but you should still be able to customize YOUR character as a "thief", as opposed to there being 10 copies of the same specific thief running around the world
Based on his comments about equipment, it sounds like this will be the case. Hero-shooter, but you customize the heroes. Which makes it more like Destiny... or any class-based RPG.
@@ronlasiere4114 But this is where I'm concerned. If it's class based just say it's class based. Instead It feels like he's just dancing around saying hero here
He's at the end of the universe, laughing at this. The IP with the best story, dunked into a game type with no story, that's already at playerbase saturation. Bungie will make no fans with this, only turn old fans into enemies.
I've been in love with the idea of this game since announcement but it being an extraction hero shooter is kind of off putting and seems like the character customization that was revealed in the past is long gone.
Agreed. My dream Marathon sequel would have been single-player (or co-op like the OG Marathon Trilogy) and story-focused, covering events we have read about in the lore but haven't seen, like the asteroid war. It's disappointing to me that such a pioneering story-focused game from the 90s is getting an extraction shooter reboot...
I honestly don't think Bungie wanted the game to be an Extraction Shooter. This just screams a Sony corporate going into their office and being like "You know, Tarkov is pretty popular. The Playstation IP could really profit from their own Extraction Shooter."
@@Lord_Of_NightI've read people saying that a Extraction Shooter title makes perfect sense for the IP because the lore in Tarkov is collected on the same cryptic way the old Marathon games delivered it, when no? The lore in Tarkov is just there to give the lore enthusiasts still playing the game, the lore in Marathon is collected and read on a cryptic way by design and it was essentially part of the gameplay too since you needed to collect some terminals to advance and you could only collect said terminals by advancing foward and playing the game.
@@tiolloyd9555 This. Exactly, most of the terminals in Marathon literally matter in the gameplay sense, as they tell you what to do and what other characters are doing. Optional lore in multiplayer games is not a good comparison for the way Marathon told its story.
The whole video is like that, too. Describing the game by just... defining what an extraction shooter is, even though we already know that's what it is. It makes me think that this was a paper pusher mandated video and they tried to come up with a way to comply without actually saying anything. It's so blatant that it almost feels like one of those videos where someone tries to signal that they're being held hostage.
@@MaulusRS He's dancing around it because they're *still* at a point where nothing's really solidified and anything he says could be a "lie" by the time it launches.
@@colbyboucher6391 Probably forced to make the video because of all the negative rumors about it and this video pretty much confirmed all of them were right. People were saying that the new lead would make it a hero shooter because he used to be the director for Valorant. Nobody wants this to be a hero shooter...but I guess he doesn't care. He also said " For the past couple years we have been doing a lot of aggressive changes and have been testing with a lot of players" and mentions "people have been contributing by telling us hey this thing sucks". If what they had was any good they wouldn't need to spend 2 years making aggressive changes based on feedback. I have no optimism for this game anymore.
Don’t envy this guy, he’s stuck trying to salvage other peoples mess and will probably be the one really blamed if Marathon doesn’t pull some delusion BS numbers.
I think having Ziegler himself present this, rather than a no-name with a position people couldn't pin the blame on, is a mistake. Of course he's doing it because he feels like it's his job to be the face, but...
The folks at the bottom fall the hardest. Part of leading a business is speaking to it. I want product minded people speaking to their product not sales or marketing. Those have their place. It's less flashy but more genuine
@@tjrage6168agree hero extraction shooter is ticking a lot of turn off boxes. They really need to show gameplay or something soon not going radio silent and mysterious to drive some hype
@@Rance53 I mean, that depends on the product. Sean Murray is a great example of a programmer forced to speak Sony's marketing spiel so they could get more money for No Man's Sky's development. We all saw how that went down, Sean had to lie and lie for the cash, the product was nowhere near ready, and Sony cut and run whilst Sean and his family received death threats for a massively overhyped product.
They actually replied one of the comments addressing this concern. "Our goal with Runners is to give you a couple of base abilities to build your loadout around while still giving you lot of freedom to choose what weapons, implants, upgrades, and consumables you bring in. This won't feel like when you just choose a hero and then get whatever weapon/abilities are assigned to them." So think something like a battlefield class or something similar to what WH Space marine 2 has, for a more recent example.
Honestly this was the epitome of "why even bother?". A year and a half and it's...two pieces of concept art and a nervous gane director kinda sorta describing the game...
The timing is very suspicious just a few hours after the arc raiders playtest just ended which is exactly the same genre of game and looks incredibly good
Stop with the hero’s, characters, classes or whatever you want to call them. Let our characters be a blank slate that we can customize to our liking both with the gameplay traits and cosmetics.
Well I mean one publication made up that after one interview with this guy. And all the talentless freaks calling them selves UA-camr ran with it with out bothering to check their sources. He already know people will make up thing he never said and just lie about him saying it.
and feedback - he's having a hard time trying to say "we made a class based shooter with models intended to sell cosmetics, no one is happy about it and the team is constantly complaining how we undermined the original vision" and we're so grateful that you had something to say :)
It's loadout and I think specialization based so my hope is that you get gear loadout like any extraction shooter and perhaps as you explore when you load in you can find items that skill up your perks so by the end of a run you could have all 'abilities' available. Would be a cool mechanic. Also hunt showdown is ability based. There's a few like this that have been reasonably successful and more importantly, a lot of fun. Personally I don't see any issue with their being class based abilities. The core mechanic is still loot and extraction and the gameplay can be compelling. I don't want Tarkov personally.
the fact that you're refusing to clarify what exactly runners are makes me assume this is a hero shooter and you're trying to hide it for as long as possible. really stupid, just tell us what it is, it's not like we're not gonna find out.
The problem right now, like he said, is that they've been trying to solidify what the game even is for so long now. The worst thing they could do is come out with a big "so here's Marathon" thing only for it to turn out that the game isn't that at all when it launches. So now he's stuck making a "we think we're getting close to something coherent" video.
I was hoping the comment section would be flooded with mentions of the massive lay-offs and lack of executives' pay cuts. But I guess "new video game hype" matters more than the lives of the people making the games . Or maybe Bungie's deleting comments about the layoffs, we'll see.
@@Shazzik of course it doesn't matter what happen to the employees, what is important for us costumer is about the game, the product itself, it have to be good.
not incredibly fond of the hero shooter vibes that runners are giving off. i was really looking forward to building up and progressing my own character instead of using a premade one.
They replied to this, and said it’s more just a set of abilities, anything else is freely customizable. Just like Titanfall 2, Battlefield classes, and Destiny
The runner class system sounds like a mistake. The one thing that had me excited for Marathon was the idea that Runners are like universal blank-slates that can be modified and built according to each individual players ideal play-style, where players have to make permanent decisions on their character stats and traits over time, resulting in a unique character for each player, Deus EX style. This class system basically sounds like Apex Legends style hero characters with set abilities that players minimally tweak but are fundamentally the same character. I’m not looking forward to the idea of running into the same runner class as me, just with a different battle pass skin and minor gear differences.
I'm still not quite clear if marathon will be using a "hero" format like apex or something more akin to hunt where you have somewhat customizable characters or if the runners will follow an archetype structure like the finals or brink.
as he said, whatever hero you choose it will be customizable with all the gear you get in game, this is not apex legend where you get in game with a hero and pick up only weapons, is not a battle royal.
I'd be surprised if it isn't like The Finals. An archetype that you build around. But also with factions, similar to sponsors in The Finals. But I'm just guessing.
Brink, now there's a throwback. It sounds like the latter, though whether these classes are like runner "models" with similar shape language like Destiny or are, I dunno, clones of a templated character with a voice and personality remains to be seen.
Wow Brink! I was so stoked for that game, menus and character creation were great, but the game itself, janky AF. Hated it, and hated hating it. What a shame of a game that was.
@@JoEVILS its pretty much this or like battlefield classes or any other class based rpg. They mentioned it in a comment reply. That alone made me a bit more excited for it now
Bungie said something along the line of ‘The next time you’ll be hearing from us will be much later in production and very close to gameplay’ so this gets me excited
@@alexisboulerice-turcotte1295 if theres been any lesson about waiting for games especially in recent years its to not demand it early as possible, let them build it
They pretty much said the same thing in their last video about Marathon over a year ago. This video does not provide much optimism about the game's state.
I wouldn't be surprised if several months after release an anonymous source comes out to say that they rebuilt the entire gameplay loop less than a year from release and internally delayed it after concord to make the hero-shooter they were making as little of a hero shooter as possible without throwing everything away. Wouldn't be the first or last time something like that happened with a bungie game.
@@EmperorOfMan I mean it’s gonna be the first AAA extraction shooter in the genre made by bungie which whoever is your opinion on them you got to admit they do know how to make FPS shooters personally this might be bias because you know they made the original halo which I loved and I did like destiny but also it is different compared to other extraction shooters where every other extraction shooters has the same greedy, military realistic style well this one is much more colorful with a art style I mess with, and the music in the trailer was pretty good which yes, they did change the art style compared to the original marathon, but they went with the same art style as the old ones. It would just look like every other extraction shooter not stand out from competition and let’s be honest this game is old enough to have old doom graphics it being rebooted like 20 years later after being left on the dusty shelves with changes like this. Yes, might upset old fans, but changing things doesn’t automatically, make it bad I think we should wait and hold our judgment until the game is out Also Tarkov kind of fumble with the controversy it had
i cant wait for this to be released alreadyyyy, ever since the reveal i've been mesmerized by the art direction and the ambience of this game. BUT PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME WITH IT NEVER RUSH IT OUT
I don't think it matters how long we wait, they're turning into Bioware. The last time Bungie made anything good was Halo 1-3 reach and Destiny 1 sorta.. However I think Destiny was a downgrade from Halo 3. Just my opinion. My real opinion on this game is that it will be super safe and polished.
Hey guys, here's an update... 2 concept art photos. Also, this guy is talking like he didn't want to make this video, like he was subconsciously not happy with the state it's in now. Really should have shown gameplay footage with a test footage disclaimer or something.
Early gameplay footage is never the way, it will confuse people and if what they see change people will start getting mad, is too early to show footage, is better just to talk about what they are sure 100% will be in game
lol, In mid 2023 Bungie said they’d be going dark - and that next time we heard from them, there’d be gameplay. A year later and they're going dark (again) to focus on the game…and when they come back, they'll have gameplay to show. lol okay Bungie. Also love how hard he's trying to dance around saying "hero shooter", cause no one wants that yet they're doing it for this game.
@@beffrey8890 Not quite, Tarkov has been fairly established for a lot longer, not to mention it was one of the first of it's kind. Thing like the Flea and the mission structure, serve to keep the community ticking, but they're not the driving force of the sustainment.
Please dont make a community market. Thats going to be horrendous, no challange in quests when you can just buy the stuff of the market. If there will be quests which is to be expected tbh
You're in for a rough time then. The learning curve is significant in extraction shooters and the skill floor and ceiling constantly, perpetually rises. Even those with other exaction shooter experience will have significant advantages over those who do not. Lovers of Destiny PVP in particular are in for a rude awakening as playing that run and gun style in extraction shooters will get you killed quickly and often.
@@ZNLBailey it's okay, I'm aware of the difficulty now. The rise in the genre will surely bring more competition and the quality will improve eventually.
@@MarathonTheGame As a die-hard fan of Marathon 1, 2, and Infinity, I find your attempt to 'modernize' the series with this art style utterly tone-deaf. You've stripped away the rich, iconic aesthetic that defined Marathon and replaced it with uninspired, derivative cyberpunk fluff. This isn't Marathon; it's a generic sci-fi facade with none of the soul or originality of the original trilogy. It's clear you've sacrificed the series' identity for shallow visual trends, and while I know there's no turning back now, I had to express my utter disappointment.
I hate the point the gaming industry is in rn. Companies will do a big cgi trailer announcement at E3 while the game is in its planning phase, change the entire direction of the game, then make fans wait 2+ years for a product they will forget and not care about when it finally releases.
remember the announcement trailer when they said their next update would only be when they were way closer to finishing the game/ actual release? yeah, we’re already so cooked 💀😭
I don't want to come off as too critical right off the bat but "characters"? I thought the point was to gather loot and build your own visually/functionally distinct runners with gear. Please don't hard lock us into using specific characters for certain abilities. I'm hoping this is more like what The Finals are doing with their classes as opposed to BF2042 . . .
I mean idk anymore ....i feel u though....starfield had a huge game studio with alot of devs and backing.... and i mean that was just dog water. I hope that if they delay it agin and again its because its gonna be really awesome...not poo poo
@ a well prepared & curated video from a big studio is to be expected and so doesn’t really say much, but a poorly prepared and stumbling video from a big studio isn’t expected and so points to… problems/concerns The game could be amazing in the end, but this video certainly doesn’t show it 😳
I hope they remember to advertise the game before it comes out. Looking forward to seeing more when its ready. I hope some story progression can continue if you have bad luck in the pvp combat.
Way to not sell the concept of the game to me, Ziegler. ’It’s not for everyone…’, ’A little game we like to call Marathon’. It’s as if you want the game to tank before it hits the shelves. Thanks for undercutting the major brand ’Marathon’ and with it, my childhood.
I’m hyped for this game, mostly because of the design in the teaser and concept art. Really hope you don’t ditch that style. I’m totally fine with an extraction shooter in this design and setting. Sounds awesome, and Bungie being behind it is a huge plus. But it’s kinda worrying that the lead dev didn’t mention the why of the game-the big idea behind it. Every great game has one, and not hearing it feels off. Sure, NDAs and all, and yeah, you’re excited about the world, stories, and 'lots of consumables,' but that’s what every dev says. We all saw Concord not long ago. Anyway, good luck-I’m keeping my fingers crossed!
Kinda sounds like how you can equip different stratagems in Helldivers 2. Codename Thief could have a similar ability to Truesight for Void Hunters in Destiny 2. I wonder if the Thief (instead of stealing direct items) takes a random item and turns it into scrap (like in Risk of Rain). Maybe an on-map crafter/upgrade table to use? all just ideas. would be cool though.
I feel so mixed about this project, because the original Marathon trilogy holds a special place in my heart. It was basically the first and only game series that I played with my late father (or rather, I'd watch over his shoulder as he played). I'm so glad to see the IP again, but all information I've seen thus far feels so alien... I really hope that it doesn't disrespect the foundation and end up feeling like a random game that decided to just slap an existing brand on it for cheap marketing.
Played Marathon trilogy for the first time last year and loved it, so I was expecting something more singleplayer with emphasis on good story. So I hope at least for good lore.
Regardless of playstyle etc, I want to see Joyeuse and hopefully Leela, she kind of got fringed in the original trilogy, might want to see Durandal/Thoth-Durandal hybrid but also very scared of character assassination.
@@ToekenNZ anyone can take the easy route. From a gamers perspective it's easier to just play the hero shooters that are cheaper, playable, and well known.
One detail he mentions when talking about the Runners briefly makes it sound like the "hero shooter" like abilities are actually lootable upgrades/equipment
im hoping there's a transmog/cosmetics system so i can have a character that consistently looks the way how i want them to even if i lose all of my gear. bungie games tend to allow the player to customize how they wanna look so hopefully this is the case.
Extraction shooters need to go, and Marathon i dont think will fit the bill. Should just keep Marathon how it was founded in the first place, With updated mechanics obviously staying true to the original essence of the game.
@@TipppedScales1015 extraction shooters have no competition. We just need a good one. The genre is amazing, unfortunately we are really only stuck with Tarkov or Hunt Showdown which aren't amazing but not horrible. All the other ones are horrible. Arc Raiders and Marathon have potential
If you can't allow the player to fully customize their avatar from 0-100 including appearance and abilities your doing things wrong. People don't want to be forced to choose between pre set classes to any extent, all this does is take away from the immersion individuality whilst simultaneously creating separation amongst the player base known as classism. This issue immediately became problematic in Destiny where people would refuse to try certain classes and or play alongside certain ones, doing so innately produces unbalance and divide.
I fail to see where he says its not for bungie fans? He said not for "Everybody" BRs are not for "Everybody" horror games are not for "Everybody" extraction shooters are not for "Everybody" lmao i swear you people just try to find the smallest things to hate these days
That's probably the most important message in this video, honestly. Extraction shooters are for masochists. If you don't like a challenge and get turned off by dying a lot and losing your equipment quickly, you genuinely may hate it. Most extraction games have this warning so when a player first starts they know that it's normal and not just that they suck.
Really excited for this game, but I do have some thoughts. 1. I’m not sure how I feel about having pre-defined Runners, I wanted to be able to customize my own Runner to my own specifications, but if each Runner has a large suite of customization options (both cosmetic and tactical), I can get over it. 2. OG Marathon fans like myself have fond memories of playing against each other in netmap matches. It would be nice if we can have that kind of arena-style PvP gameplay outside the main extraction shooter mode. No loot brought in, no loot brought out, just find weapons on the battlefield, and dominate the other guy. Doesn’t necessarily have to be available at launch, but I think it would be a nice addition. 3. The vastness and richness of the lore of Marathon is entirely unique even 30 years after its heyday, and it needs to be both preserved and brought out in this game. It’s fine to add new things to it in order to appeal to an audience that probably wasn’t alive for the original trilogy, but retconning anything would probably not be appreciated by the OG fans. 4. Some people won’t have a crew to play Marathon with, and being one person playing against groups of three will not be fun. There should be a system to make it so solo players will only face other solo players, and groups of 2 or 3 will only face groups of 2 or 3, respectively. EDIT: Adding point 4, changed the language of point 3 to feel less like an ultimatum while still maintaining the meaning.
Really miss when game dev companies tried to make something new. We finally got passed the "every game is a battle royale" phase and now we're entering the "every game is an extraction shooter and/or every game is a hero-shooter" phase. See y'all in 5 years when we move on to some other copycat format 🤷🏼
@@fonstastic7207 They actually replied one of the comments addressing this concern. "Our goal with Runners is to give you a couple of base abilities to build your loadout around while still giving you lot of freedom to choose what weapons, implants, upgrades, and consumables you bring in. This won't feel like when you just choose a hero and then get whatever weapon/abilities are assigned to them."
@@Pphantomn people don't like heroes not because they have fixed abilities and gear. All that Bungie does now related to it is just trying to reframe it for the sake of damage control. Those are heroes you described, there will be heroes in the game. I can give you an example. Look at Delta Force if you want to know what we will get in Marathon. They are heroes.
@@alexander3025it's really up to interpretation. But the fact they didn't come out and just say "no, they aren't heroes" does raise red flags. However, I really don't see how they could be heroes; They may have a fixed skill that defines their playstyle, but everything else seems customizable like loadout, build and appearance (that is defined by the loot you wear) To me, this whole thing draws paralels to Warhammer 40k SM2 on the class system, with the loot of destiny. And who would have guessed? Destiny also has 3 customizable classes, with certain set of abilities But neither of those are classified as hero shooters, are they? Why?
@@Pphantomn there are 2 aspects: gameplay and narrative. You say that those aren't heroes by giving an example of wide customization. But that's gameplay perspective. For example Concord got backslash for its heroes not because they weren't customizable, would be weird to ask Overwatch clone to have different approach. It got hate for heroes because they failed to create attractive heroes and story from the narrative standpoint. And if we take the narrative aspect, games like Valorant, Apex or recent Delta Force are all shooters with heroes, even though they are different genres of shooters. Look at Delta Force, deeply customizable heroes that change appearance depending on what gear they wear, with fixed set of abilities. Yet they are totally heroes. So when people say they don't want heroes it is just manifestation of doubt that Bungie can create interesting or even not repulsive characters, or that it will be strongly monetized. And now it clearly looks that after Concord had flopped, Bungie was doing damage control with their "totally not heroes" news and leaks. But they are, and in my opinion modern Bungie won't be able to make them interesting. Also people are tired and charged with recent dei stuff. So they will probably get a strong backslash. Should have been doing clone constructor instead.
Really loving the art direction of the game, seems like a natural advancement of human technology seen in the original games. I'm definitely wishlisting this. Take all the time you guys need. If anyone on the team sees this, please be careful with the way you implement the Runners as "heroes". As an example, a lot of people less want something like the Legends from Apex Legends and more like the Pilot classes in Titanfall 2. Less quirky characters, more blank slate.
No offense to anyone working on this and I truly hope I’m wrong but I feel the statement “it’s a extraction shooter” is going to have the same stigma as “it’s a 5v5 hero shooter” to most people now, and especially since this seems to be a hero/specialist extraction shooter at some level the future of Marathon doesn’t seem too bright.
Video man said it was class based, idk about the stigma thing I always thought extraction style games were still niche in the same vein as fighting games with the only big ones being games like hunt showdown, escape from tarkov, and darkest dungeon.
"It's a game that's not for everybody... hopefully that sounds appealing to you," sums it up pretty well. Releasing an extraction shooter at least a year from now that has to hold Bungie aloft is a hell of a gamble.
Hilarious how the vidoc from last year said next time we heard info there would be gameplay. Good to see they didn't even keep to that promise, really good sign for the game's health! Can't wait
Artistically. Marathon is a piece of art i'm looking the most forward too. the announcement trailers design language & graphic realism just left me speechless. if that can be delivered on in a finished product it will consume all of my time in gaming.
"Oh, I know, let's take the most miserable type of FPS we can think of and ruin an entire IP with it!" I can't believe... what the hell?l WHY would you do this!? The fanbase for Marathon is not even that big, but you're applying a looter shooter to it!? In what world does this make sense!?
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TL DR
- 2 Screenshots of Thief and Stealth characters
- Probably a closed beta in 2025
Saved me 9 and a half minutes thank you
@@Beanibirb happy to serve
Thank you for saving me 9 minutes of my time
Also: operators/heroes
You sir, are a good man…
This isn't as much of a dev update, as it's a reminder that this game exists (maybe)
If you play tested ARC Raiders then you would understand why they felt the need to remind everyone in the market they exist.
I would much rather be a (nu?)Marathon fan getting an existence reminder than a newsless skong-monger (I am both).
So you could say the devs were like updating us on its existence. You might call it a dev update or something idk
Better than nothing, hope they make it happen
@@MDJeez888 Is it though?
This video had a lot of red flags.
Nervous director, no gameplay, no details about the specifics, answers to questions no one had asked and a distinct lack of answers of the things people actually want to know, like "Is this game a hero shooter" debacle
If they stayed under the radar it would have probably been better than... this.
I hope that there will be runners aesthetically more similar to the androids from the first trailer, I really like their designs
I liked more the old logo too, the new one feels a bit generic ngl
The new logo is more based on the logo from the 90's Marathon but with less letter spacing
Bungie usually does a great job with cosmetics and customization so I'm hopping that continues into marathon with the bio-synthetic style of guys
Same but it sounds like a hero based thing which sucks
oh there will be
it would be fine if they had runner platforms like "thief" that had some unique abilities and model designs, but you should still be able to customize YOUR character as a "thief", as opposed to there being 10 copies of the same specific thief running around the world
Based on his comments about equipment, it sounds like this will be the case. Hero-shooter, but you customize the heroes. Which makes it more like Destiny... or any class-based RPG.
I want full customisation, i won't feel the need to come back and play a character 20 other people are playing. Let me be the writer of my own story
oh, don't you worry - there will be as many different "thieves" as the number of skins they will squish into the in-game store
@@ronlasiere4114 But this is where I'm concerned. If it's class based just say it's class based. Instead It feels like he's just dancing around saying hero here
@kRVRKV you win, sir! 😅
Where my boy durandal at
Not just that, dude *needs* to be voiced by Gianni.
@@pob_42and we also need the skeletons from Pathway into Darkness, so we can have Giani saying "I've got a bone to pick with you" canon.
@@tiolloyd9555 and in the spirit of fairness, have Seigi back as Tycho. We all love Gianni, but Seigi killed it as Tycho
He never left. He even had a hand in our logo.
He's at the end of the universe, laughing at this.
The IP with the best story, dunked into a game type with no story, that's already at playerbase saturation.
Bungie will make no fans with this, only turn old fans into enemies.
I've been in love with the idea of this game since announcement but it being an extraction hero shooter is kind of off putting and seems like the character customization that was revealed in the past is long gone.
Agreed. My dream Marathon sequel would have been single-player (or co-op like the OG Marathon Trilogy) and story-focused, covering events we have read about in the lore but haven't seen, like the asteroid war. It's disappointing to me that such a pioneering story-focused game from the 90s is getting an extraction shooter reboot...
I honestly don't think Bungie wanted the game to be an Extraction Shooter. This just screams a Sony corporate going into their office and being like "You know, Tarkov is pretty popular. The Playstation IP could really profit from their own Extraction Shooter."
@@Lord_Of_NightI've read people saying that a Extraction Shooter title makes perfect sense for the IP because the lore in Tarkov is collected on the same cryptic way the old Marathon games delivered it, when no? The lore in Tarkov is just there to give the lore enthusiasts still playing the game, the lore in Marathon is collected and read on a cryptic way by design and it was essentially part of the gameplay too since you needed to collect some terminals to advance and you could only collect said terminals by advancing foward and playing the game.
@@tiolloyd9555 This. Exactly, most of the terminals in Marathon literally matter in the gameplay sense, as they tell you what to do and what other characters are doing. Optional lore in multiplayer games is not a good comparison for the way Marathon told its story.
"This is a character we codenamed Stealth. This Runner is obviously a stealthy type of Runner."
So true
The whole video is like that, too. Describing the game by just... defining what an extraction shooter is, even though we already know that's what it is. It makes me think that this was a paper pusher mandated video and they tried to come up with a way to comply without actually saying anything. It's so blatant that it almost feels like one of those videos where someone tries to signal that they're being held hostage.
@@colbyboucher6391 Not really a great look when your GAME DIRECTOR cant even describe basic things about the game he is directing
@@MaulusRS He's dancing around it because they're *still* at a point where nothing's really solidified and anything he says could be a "lie" by the time it launches.
@@colbyboucher6391 💀💀💀
@@colbyboucher6391 Probably forced to make the video because of all the negative rumors about it and this video pretty much confirmed all of them were right. People were saying that the new lead would make it a hero shooter because he used to be the director for Valorant. Nobody wants this to be a hero shooter...but I guess he doesn't care. He also said " For the past couple years we have been doing a lot of aggressive changes and have been testing with a lot of players" and mentions "people have been contributing by telling us hey this thing sucks". If what they had was any good they wouldn't need to spend 2 years making aggressive changes based on feedback. I have no optimism for this game anymore.
Don’t envy this guy, he’s stuck trying to salvage other peoples mess and will probably be the one really blamed if Marathon doesn’t pull some delusion BS numbers.
I think having Ziegler himself present this, rather than a no-name with a position people couldn't pin the blame on, is a mistake. Of course he's doing it because he feels like it's his job to be the face, but...
The folks at the bottom fall the hardest. Part of leading a business is speaking to it. I want product minded people speaking to their product not sales or marketing. Those have their place. It's less flashy but more genuine
It was this man's idea to make it a hero shooter, instead of custom characters. That ALONE is a pass for a lot of folks
@@tjrage6168agree hero extraction shooter is ticking a lot of turn off boxes. They really need to show gameplay or something soon not going radio silent and mysterious to drive some hype
@@Rance53 I mean, that depends on the product. Sean Murray is a great example of a programmer forced to speak Sony's marketing spiel so they could get more money for No Man's Sky's development. We all saw how that went down, Sean had to lie and lie for the cash, the product was nowhere near ready, and Sony cut and run whilst Sean and his family received death threats for a massively overhyped product.
Please don't make the characters hero-adjacent. I'm exhausted with Hero-shooters
They actually replied one of the comments addressing this concern.
"Our goal with Runners is to give you a couple of base abilities to build your loadout around while still giving you lot of freedom to choose what weapons, implants, upgrades, and consumables you bring in. This won't feel like when you just choose a hero and then get whatever weapon/abilities are assigned to them."
So think something like a battlefield class or something similar to what WH Space marine 2 has, for a more recent example.
@@Pphantomn So a class system instead of a hero
I'm fine with that.
@@Pphantomnhonestly sounds a little more like a dark and darker type system. Could be really good if it can be executed correctly
@@SizzleCorndog Haven't played it, so I wouldnt know.
I'll look into it
@ it’s free on steam but imo it’s too clunky to take seriously
Honestly this was the epitome of "why even bother?". A year and a half and it's...two pieces of concept art and a nervous gane director kinda sorta describing the game...
This guy is getting paid 6 figures to vaguely kind of sort of know what hes directing and to nervously describe that vague understanding
The timing is very suspicious just a few hours after the arc raiders playtest just ended which is exactly the same genre of game and looks incredibly good
@@Vyviel When tf did Arc Raiders claw their way back? Another game that got a trailer, then exactly zero news for years!
Yeah, doesn't inspire much confidence does it?
@@pob_42 i played Arc Raiders on the latest playtest and i can't really say much about it but it's going to blow up 2025 when it releases
Stop with the hero’s, characters, classes or whatever you want to call them. Let our characters be a blank slate that we can customize to our liking both with the gameplay traits and cosmetics.
no
@@OneTomato no u
I want a character creator is that so much to ask
hero shooters are horrid
Off the grid
7:19 instinctively touching your ear while mentioning the dates, poker players know 💀
Yeah he knows he's just flat out lying to us
LMAO
@@Beanibirb What happened to "A delayed game is eventually good"?
@@gentlemanscarecrow5987 What happened to not announcing a game when it's barely out of the concept phase?
@@gentlemanscarecrow5987 thats a nintendo concept, the rest of the industry does not believe that
This was YUMMYY nothing burger.
You can tell he's dancing around the term "hero shooter" so hard here because of all of the negative sentiment and connotation around it.
Well I mean one publication made up that after one interview with this guy. And all the talentless freaks calling them selves UA-camr ran with it with out bothering to check their sources. He already know people will make up thing he never said and just lie about him saying it.
and feedback - he's having a hard time trying to say "we made a class based shooter with models intended to sell cosmetics, no one is happy about it and the team is constantly complaining how we undermined the original vision" and we're so grateful that you had something to say :)
@@SpottedHares So instead of being clear what the actual design intent is... he'll continue to dance around it while his face goes red?
@@SpottedHares well, they didn't make it up
It's loadout and I think specialization based so my hope is that you get gear loadout like any extraction shooter and perhaps as you explore when you load in you can find items that skill up your perks so by the end of a run you could have all 'abilities' available. Would be a cool mechanic.
Also hunt showdown is ability based. There's a few like this that have been reasonably successful and more importantly, a lot of fun.
Personally I don't see any issue with their being class based abilities. The core mechanic is still loot and extraction and the gameplay can be compelling. I don't want Tarkov personally.
Oh yeah this game is definitely in development hell
That explains why no gameplay here
the fact that you're refusing to clarify what exactly runners are makes me assume this is a hero shooter and you're trying to hide it for as long as possible. really stupid, just tell us what it is, it's not like we're not gonna find out.
The problem right now, like he said, is that they've been trying to solidify what the game even is for so long now. The worst thing they could do is come out with a big "so here's Marathon" thing only for it to turn out that the game isn't that at all when it launches. So now he's stuck making a "we think we're getting close to something coherent" video.
Pictured: Bungie's sole remaining employee who hasn't been laid off to fund Pete's cars collection desperately trying to pretend everything's fine
Yup
I was hoping the comment section would be flooded with mentions of the massive lay-offs and lack of executives' pay cuts.
But I guess "new video game hype" matters more than the lives of the people making the games .
Or maybe Bungie's deleting comments about the layoffs, we'll see.
@@Shazzik of course it doesn't matter what happen to the employees, what is important for us costumer is about the game, the product itself, it have to be good.
While also knowing he himself will be fired the nanosecond the recording session has finished
not incredibly fond of the hero shooter vibes that runners are giving off. i was really looking forward to building up and progressing my own character instead of using a premade one.
They replied to this, and said it’s more just a set of abilities, anything else is freely customizable. Just like Titanfall 2, Battlefield classes, and Destiny
This video gives me a “please buy our game so we don’t close down” vibe
The runner class system sounds like a mistake. The one thing that had me excited for Marathon was the idea that Runners are like universal blank-slates that can be modified and built according to each individual players ideal play-style, where players have to make permanent decisions on their character stats and traits over time, resulting in a unique character for each player, Deus EX style.
This class system basically sounds like Apex Legends style hero characters with set abilities that players minimally tweak but are fundamentally the same character. I’m not looking forward to the idea of running into the same runner class as me, just with a different battle pass skin and minor gear differences.
i agree
Please for the love of Christ don’t make it a hero shooter.
did you even watch the video???
They gotta sell you more hero’s and skins somehow
and not extraction shooter too
This Is not a hero shooter, that's confirmed. It's class based
I'm still not quite clear if marathon will be using a "hero" format like apex or something more akin to hunt where you have somewhat customizable characters or if the runners will follow an archetype structure like the finals or brink.
as he said, whatever hero you choose it will be customizable with all the gear you get in game, this is not apex legend where you get in game with a hero and pick up only weapons, is not a battle royal.
I'd be surprised if it isn't like The Finals. An archetype that you build around. But also with factions, similar to sponsors in The Finals.
But I'm just guessing.
Brink, now there's a throwback. It sounds like the latter, though whether these classes are like runner "models" with similar shape language like Destiny or are, I dunno, clones of a templated character with a voice and personality remains to be seen.
Wow Brink! I was so stoked for that game, menus and character creation were great, but the game itself, janky AF. Hated it, and hated hating it. What a shame of a game that was.
@@JoEVILS its pretty much this or like battlefield classes or any other class based rpg. They mentioned it in a comment reply. That alone made me a bit more excited for it now
Bungie said something along the line of ‘The next time you’ll be hearing from us will be much later in production and very close to gameplay’ so this gets me excited
I expect some of that to have changed with directors but hopefully not too long of a wait to see gameplay
It was 1.5 years ago and they still sound so far away from release.
@@alexisboulerice-turcotte1295 if theres been any lesson about waiting for games especially in recent years its to not demand it early as possible, let them build it
They pretty much said the same thing in their last video about Marathon over a year ago. This video does not provide much optimism about the game's state.
They’re full of lies cmon now.
17 months of silence and this is what we get gtfo
I wouldn't be surprised if several months after release an anonymous source comes out to say that they rebuilt the entire gameplay loop less than a year from release and internally delayed it after concord to make the hero-shooter they were making as little of a hero shooter as possible without throwing everything away.
Wouldn't be the first or last time something like that happened with a bungie game.
@@cinnamon-skateboarding5987I wish I could get a reminder to come back and reread this comment in two years bc I bet you are exactly right.
@@nerm9507 I'm praying to be wrong.
TLDR it looks like Bungie is biting the curb in 4k right now
Thanks for the update!
This was a whole lot of nothing.
He really managed to not say a thing in 9mins, glorious update.
Graph dips sharply after 40 seconds in the “there will be no gameplay footage” section
Thank you for communication
Bungie wasted years trying to chase a trend that never even took off LOL
Extraction were never been a trend buddy
@@3dawgbeats Yes that's what I said. Thank you for repeating
I am extracting my interest out of the game.
@@EmperorOfMan you have a poor choice of words
@@EmperorOfMan I mean it’s gonna be the first AAA extraction shooter in the genre made by bungie which whoever is your opinion on them you got to admit they do know how to make FPS shooters personally this might be bias because you know they made the original halo which I loved and I did like destiny but also it is different compared to other extraction shooters where every other extraction shooters has the same greedy, military realistic style well this one is much more colorful with a art style I mess with, and the music in the trailer was pretty good which yes, they did change the art style compared to the original marathon, but they went with the same art style as the old ones. It would just look like every other extraction shooter not stand out from competition and let’s be honest this game is old enough to have old doom graphics it being rebooted like 20 years later after being left on the dusty shelves with changes like this. Yes, might upset old fans, but changing things doesn’t automatically, make it bad I think we should wait and hold our judgment until the game is out
Also Tarkov kind of fumble with the controversy it had
Hero Shooters exist to sell more skins because they are unique to each hero, that's the only design decision that makes sense.
i cant wait for this to be released alreadyyyy, ever since the reveal i've been mesmerized by the art direction and the ambience of this game. BUT PLEASE TAKE YOUR TIME WITH IT NEVER RUSH IT OUT
I don't think it matters how long we wait, they're turning into Bioware. The last time Bungie made anything good was Halo 1-3 reach and Destiny 1 sorta.. However I think Destiny was a downgrade from Halo 3. Just my opinion. My real opinion on this game is that it will be super safe and polished.
Excited to see more
Excited for this to get a shoddy mobile version in the future
Hey guys, here's an update... 2 concept art photos. Also, this guy is talking like he didn't want to make this video, like he was subconsciously not happy with the state it's in now. Really should have shown gameplay footage with a test footage disclaimer or something.
Early gameplay footage is never the way, it will confuse people and if what they see change people will start getting mad, is too early to show footage, is better just to talk about what they are sure 100% will be in game
lol, In mid 2023 Bungie said they’d be going dark - and that next time we heard from them, there’d be gameplay. A year later and they're going dark (again) to focus on the game…and when they come back, they'll have gameplay to show. lol okay Bungie. Also love how hard he's trying to dance around saying "hero shooter", cause no one wants that yet they're doing it for this game.
Lol Bungie got SHOOK UP since that original announcement. I'm cautiously optimistic.
yall need a player economy or flea market like tarkov, its the number 1 thing that keeps games like that going
absolutely
@@beffrey8890 Not quite, Tarkov has been fairly established for a lot longer, not to mention it was one of the first of it's kind. Thing like the Flea and the mission structure, serve to keep the community ticking, but they're not the driving force of the sustainment.
Not really lol
Please dont make a community market. Thats going to be horrendous, no challange in quests when you can just buy the stuff of the market. If there will be quests which is to be expected tbh
Remember to finish the original Marathon Trilogy in preparation for this (because it's a very neat series).
Amazing. And true. Keep speed running my friend.
I've never tried this type of games, but from the art style im incredibly intrigued. I hope it'll come out well.
You're in for a rough time then. The learning curve is significant in extraction shooters and the skill floor and ceiling constantly, perpetually rises. Even those with other exaction shooter experience will have significant advantages over those who do not.
Lovers of Destiny PVP in particular are in for a rude awakening as playing that run and gun style in extraction shooters will get you killed quickly and often.
Thank you! Our team has been hard at work to create a compelling art style that showcases the world we are building. More to come.
@@ZNLBailey it's okay, I'm aware of the difficulty now. The rise in the genre will surely bring more competition and the quality will improve eventually.
There are maybe two games that exist that deliver what they're describing. Dark and Darker / Tarkov. Unless you played either, you wouldn't know.
@@MarathonTheGame As a die-hard fan of Marathon 1, 2, and Infinity, I find your attempt to 'modernize' the series with this art style utterly tone-deaf. You've stripped away the rich, iconic aesthetic that defined Marathon and replaced it with uninspired, derivative cyberpunk fluff. This isn't Marathon; it's a generic sci-fi facade with none of the soul or originality of the original trilogy. It's clear you've sacrificed the series' identity for shallow visual trends, and while I know there's no turning back now, I had to express my utter disappointment.
That's a whole lot of yapping and no showing footage of gameplay
Sad to see yet another big studio setting itself up for failure. I’m getting Concord vibes.
Concord 2: Electric Boogaloo is coming......
I hate the point the gaming industry is in rn. Companies will do a big cgi trailer announcement at E3 while the game is in its planning phase, change the entire direction of the game, then make fans wait 2+ years for a product they will forget and not care about when it finally releases.
Nobody want you to wait more. They want to inspire talented folks to join them.
@@3dawgbeats that’s not how they recruit talent, that’s done before the game development starts
It's not new, Prey suffered the same fate.
Somewhere in the heavens...
...they are waiting.
happy to see the game is still moving along. Looking forward to seeing more. Thanks for the update!!
They didn't show anything 💀
Take your time!
I'm hoping for an extensive customization system for character and gear design 🤞
remember the announcement trailer when they said their next update would only be when they were way closer to finishing the game/ actual release? yeah, we’re already so cooked 💀😭
I don't want to come off as too critical right off the bat but "characters"? I thought the point was to gather loot and build your own visually/functionally distinct runners with gear. Please don't hard lock us into using specific characters for certain abilities. I'm hoping this is more like what The Finals are doing with their classes as opposed to BF2042 . . .
… is it just me or does this feel like a video made by a solo dev rather than a giant studio? (And not in a great way 😅)
I mean idk anymore ....i feel u though....starfield had a huge game studio with alot of devs and backing.... and i mean that was just dog water. I hope that if they delay it agin and again its because its gonna be really awesome...not poo poo
@ a well prepared & curated video from a big studio is to be expected and so doesn’t really say much, but a poorly prepared and stumbling video from a big studio isn’t expected and so points to… problems/concerns
The game could be amazing in the end, but this video certainly doesn’t show it 😳
Ive been waiting for a update for some time. I am super excited to know more and get my hands on this
Seems cool! Definitely looking forward to hearing and seeing more!
I hope they remember to advertise the game before it comes out. Looking forward to seeing more when its ready. I hope some story progression can continue if you have bad luck in the pvp combat.
Way to not sell the concept of the game to me, Ziegler. ’It’s not for everyone…’, ’A little game we like to call Marathon’.
It’s as if you want the game to tank before it hits the shelves.
Thanks for undercutting the major brand ’Marathon’ and with it, my childhood.
I’m hyped for this game, mostly because of the design in the teaser and concept art. Really hope you don’t ditch that style. I’m totally fine with an extraction shooter in this design and setting. Sounds awesome, and Bungie being behind it is a huge plus. But it’s kinda worrying that the lead dev didn’t mention the why of the game-the big idea behind it. Every great game has one, and not hearing it feels off. Sure, NDAs and all, and yeah, you’re excited about the world, stories, and 'lots of consumables,' but that’s what every dev says. We all saw Concord not long ago. Anyway, good luck-I’m keeping my fingers crossed!
saying this game will not be for everyone gives me a lot of faith. A game for everyone is a game for no one.
Have you seen what they did to Destiny? I wouldn’t hold your breath bud
A weight was lifted off my soul when I heard "extraction shooter". Thank you for being direct and clearing up the rumors.
I was looking if anything new had come out yesterday and get this now :p
Kinda sounds like how you can equip different stratagems in Helldivers 2. Codename Thief could have a similar ability to Truesight for Void Hunters in Destiny 2. I wonder if the Thief (instead of stealing direct items) takes a random item and turns it into scrap (like in Risk of Rain). Maybe an on-map crafter/upgrade table to use? all just ideas. would be cool though.
THE ONE PIECE IS REAL 5:15
Thanks so much for this humble and thoughtful update, very excited to see more next year!
TLDR
They confirmed they're working on an extraction shooter that has classes.
I feel so mixed about this project, because the original Marathon trilogy holds a special place in my heart. It was basically the first and only game series that I played with my late father (or rather, I'd watch over his shoulder as he played). I'm so glad to see the IP again, but all information I've seen thus far feels so alien... I really hope that it doesn't disrespect the foundation and end up feeling like a random game that decided to just slap an existing brand on it for cheap marketing.
Played Marathon trilogy for the first time last year and loved it, so I was expecting something more singleplayer with emphasis on good story.
So I hope at least for good lore.
Regardless of playstyle etc, I want to see Joyeuse and hopefully Leela, she kind of got fringed in the original trilogy, might want to see Durandal/Thoth-Durandal hybrid but also very scared of character assassination.
I've been waiting to hear from you all for so long! It's so nice we finnally hear frm you all again! Nice job!
Marathon 1, 2 & 3 was not an extraction shooter, Stop ruining the franchise
durandal is laughing at this video rn
@8:45 we just want a fun game again! looks promising tho
WE DO NOT WANT THE RUNNERS TO BE LIKE HEROS IN A HERO SHOOTER. WE DO NOT WANT THAT! NO MORE HERO SHOOTERS PLEASE
Whose we? From a development perspective it's easier to do heros because it's less balancing
@@ToekenNZ anyone can take the easy route. From a gamers perspective it's easier to just play the hero shooters that are cheaper, playable, and well known.
How exactly is it easier for balancing? OW and Apex were circus acts from day 1.x@@ToekenNZ
@@ToekenNZ the game is made for players, not for its own developers
@@dmitriitsunenko9055 do you know how development works lol
I didn't know Marathon was about this guy wearing a beanie
One detail he mentions when talking about the Runners briefly makes it sound like the "hero shooter" like abilities are actually lootable upgrades/equipment
Thanks for the update! :D
Escape from Cyberpunk 2088
im hoping there's a transmog/cosmetics system so i can have a character that consistently looks the way how i want them to even if i lose all of my gear. bungie games tend to allow the player to customize how they wanna look so hopefully this is the case.
🤔that is a great idea and needs to be looked at hard
TBH not really excited about the whole Runner system. Not a fan of prefabbed characters in multiplayer games.
Extraction shooters need to go, and Marathon i dont think will fit the bill. Should just keep Marathon how it was founded in the first place, With updated mechanics obviously staying true to the original essence of the game.
@@TipppedScales1015 extraction shooters have no competition. We just need a good one. The genre is amazing, unfortunately we are really only stuck with Tarkov or Hunt Showdown which aren't amazing but not horrible. All the other ones are horrible. Arc Raiders and Marathon have potential
we definitely need more updates from you guys. thanks for communication
If you can't allow the player to fully customize their avatar from 0-100 including appearance and abilities your doing things wrong. People don't want to be forced to choose between pre set classes to any extent, all this does is take away from the immersion individuality whilst simultaneously creating separation amongst the player base known as classism. This issue immediately became problematic in Destiny where people would refuse to try certain classes and or play alongside certain ones, doing so innately produces unbalance and divide.
So much fully supported languages❤
1:37 very bold to straight up say this game is not for many returning Bungie fans
Boohoo, let good devs make new things.
@@VoidUnderTheSun another extraction shooter is new?
@@xScruffyDaSasquatchxname all the extraction shooters genius
I fail to see where he says its not for bungie fans? He said not for "Everybody" BRs are not for "Everybody" horror games are not for "Everybody" extraction shooters are not for "Everybody" lmao i swear you people just try to find the smallest things to hate these days
That's probably the most important message in this video, honestly. Extraction shooters are for masochists. If you don't like a challenge and get turned off by dying a lot and losing your equipment quickly, you genuinely may hate it. Most extraction games have this warning so when a player first starts they know that it's normal and not just that they suck.
Really excited for this game, but I do have some thoughts.
1. I’m not sure how I feel about having pre-defined Runners, I wanted to be able to customize my own Runner to my own specifications, but if each Runner has a large suite of customization options (both cosmetic and tactical), I can get over it.
2. OG Marathon fans like myself have fond memories of playing against each other in netmap matches. It would be nice if we can have that kind of arena-style PvP gameplay outside the main extraction shooter mode. No loot brought in, no loot brought out, just find weapons on the battlefield, and dominate the other guy. Doesn’t necessarily have to be available at launch, but I think it would be a nice addition.
3. The vastness and richness of the lore of Marathon is entirely unique even 30 years after its heyday, and it needs to be both preserved and brought out in this game. It’s fine to add new things to it in order to appeal to an audience that probably wasn’t alive for the original trilogy, but retconning anything would probably not be appreciated by the OG fans.
4. Some people won’t have a crew to play Marathon with, and being one person playing against groups of three will not be fun. There should be a system to make it so solo players will only face other solo players, and groups of 2 or 3 will only face groups of 2 or 3, respectively.
EDIT: Adding point 4, changed the language of point 3 to feel less like an ultimatum while still maintaining the meaning.
Really miss when game dev companies tried to make something new. We finally got passed the "every game is a battle royale" phase and now we're entering the "every game is an extraction shooter and/or every game is a hero-shooter" phase.
See y'all in 5 years when we move on to some other copycat format 🤷🏼
NO MORE "HERO" SHOOTERS. Give us aesthetically customizable class archetypes that we can actually build upon and make to our liking FFS.
You should try The Finals. You get to decide each piece of your equipment to create a specific identity
@@fonstastic7207 They actually replied one of the comments addressing this concern.
"Our goal with Runners is to give you a couple of base abilities to build your loadout around while still giving you lot of freedom to choose what weapons, implants, upgrades, and consumables you bring in. This won't feel like when you just choose a hero and then get whatever weapon/abilities are assigned to them."
@@Pphantomn people don't like heroes not because they have fixed abilities and gear. All that Bungie does now related to it is just trying to reframe it for the sake of damage control. Those are heroes you described, there will be heroes in the game.
I can give you an example. Look at Delta Force if you want to know what we will get in Marathon. They are heroes.
@@alexander3025it's really up to interpretation.
But the fact they didn't come out and just say "no, they aren't heroes" does raise red flags.
However, I really don't see how they could be heroes;
They may have a fixed skill that defines their playstyle, but everything else seems customizable like loadout, build and appearance (that is defined by the loot you wear)
To me, this whole thing draws paralels to Warhammer 40k SM2 on the class system, with the loot of destiny.
And who would have guessed? Destiny also has 3 customizable classes, with certain set of abilities
But neither of those are classified as hero shooters, are they?
Why?
@@Pphantomn there are 2 aspects: gameplay and narrative. You say that those aren't heroes by giving an example of wide customization. But that's gameplay perspective.
For example Concord got backslash for its heroes not because they weren't customizable, would be weird to ask Overwatch clone to have different approach. It got hate for heroes because they failed to create attractive heroes and story from the narrative standpoint.
And if we take the narrative aspect, games like Valorant, Apex or recent Delta Force are all shooters with heroes, even though they are different genres of shooters. Look at Delta Force, deeply customizable heroes that change appearance depending on what gear they wear, with fixed set of abilities. Yet they are totally heroes.
So when people say they don't want heroes it is just manifestation of doubt that Bungie can create interesting or even not repulsive characters, or that it will be strongly monetized.
And now it clearly looks that after Concord had flopped, Bungie was doing damage control with their "totally not heroes" news and leaks.
But they are, and in my opinion modern Bungie won't be able to make them interesting. Also people are tired and charged with recent dei stuff. So they will probably get a strong backslash.
Should have been doing clone constructor instead.
I hope the music is great. I loved the art style and music from the trailer.
I feel like this Game just gonna kill Bungie.
Really loving the art direction of the game, seems like a natural advancement of human technology seen in the original games. I'm definitely wishlisting this. Take all the time you guys need. If anyone on the team sees this, please be careful with the way you implement the Runners as "heroes". As an example, a lot of people less want something like the Legends from Apex Legends and more like the Pilot classes in Titanfall 2. Less quirky characters, more blank slate.
Why no vidoc? Bungie is usually good at messaging, 10 mins of the director talking to the camera (seemingly off the cuff) is not what I expected
not at the vidoc stage yet. it's just a development update to keep us in the loop and let us know where they're at in terms of progress
@@CybenX_yt the original vidoc begs to differ. they're not doc'ing what's transpired since because they're not proud of it.
I am in love with your game! Looking forward to more details
Everything other than showing some actual gameplay footage
Thank you for this video, it’s hard some nights to fall asleep but putting this on instantly helps. I assume full game will also do this.
Oh wow. This came out of nowhere
Nah they hinted at a possible sequel in like 2003 lol this is definitely what they were talking about 😂
It came after the arc raiders tech test ended 🤔
Looking forward to seeing it all come together, ima need that gameplay vid asap lol.
No offense to anyone working on this and I truly hope I’m wrong but I feel the statement “it’s a extraction shooter” is going to have the same stigma as “it’s a 5v5 hero shooter” to most people now, and especially since this seems to be a hero/specialist extraction shooter at some level the future of Marathon doesn’t seem too bright.
Video man said it was class based, idk about the stigma thing I always thought extraction style games were still niche in the same vein as fighting games with the only big ones being games like hunt showdown, escape from tarkov, and darkest dungeon.
"It's a game that's not for everybody... hopefully that sounds appealing to you," sums it up pretty well. Releasing an extraction shooter at least a year from now that has to hold Bungie aloft is a hell of a gamble.
Hilarious how the vidoc from last year said next time we heard info there would be gameplay. Good to see they didn't even keep to that promise, really good sign for the game's health! Can't wait
Honestly I'm expecting another concord-esque flop. This AAA studios are failing every game so hard
"It's a game that's not for everybody" Ok i'm in! I'm tired of all the games that are supposed to be for everybody...
Expecting it to be a 2026 release with a few closed and public alpha/ beta test through next year. TGA trailer seems unlikely but SGF June 2025?
PLS NO HERO SHOOTER ..... BUNGIE ..... PLS NOOO HERO SHOOTER 😢
the kingdom hearts necklace lol
Artistically. Marathon is a piece of art i'm looking the most forward too.
the announcement trailers design language & graphic realism just left me speechless.
if that can be delivered on in a finished product it will consume all of my time in gaming.
Appreciate the update & excited to see it revealed further!
Sounds like you’re going for a hybrid of two game genres with this marathon reboot.
"Oh, I know, let's take the most miserable type of FPS we can think of and ruin an entire IP with it!"
I can't believe... what the hell?l WHY would you do this!? The fanbase for Marathon is not even that big, but you're applying a looter shooter to it!?
In what world does this make sense!?