A lady told me that it is no coincidence that the case settled right after VG admitted she couldn’t find the original photo. There is a legal presumption that if a person destroys evidence (which could be not taking care of it and losing it) than the evidence would go against the person who destroyed it.
B.S. Just deal with it. There's no "fake photo" or "photoshopped" conspiracy going on. The only "conspiracy" is that people in power are _still,_ in this day and age, above all semblance of the Law or even ethical or moral standards, that the rest of us adhere to simply by virtue of being raised to know the basic reasons between right and wrong. For someone like Prince Andrew, (amongst _many_ others, around the World,) those same basic, fundamental standards don't seem to equally apply. Meaning; No matter how much incriminating evidence is forthcoming, there will at least be people who will gaslight the rest of us, coming up with insane, nonsensical conspiracy theories to try and explain it away. When, for any objective observer, the evidence is effectively as cut-and-dry straightforward as it comes. I mean, use a little bit of intellectual honesty, what's easier to believe? That somebody is perpetrating an elaborate hoax, manufacturing fake photographs, and somehow getting actual women to come forward and lie? Or that it's all real, and all the evidence is pointing to Prince Andrew actually being just as guilty as Jeffrey Epstein himself? It's common sense, man. Sticking up for the guy is only saying more about YOU than anything else. (I'm just sayin' ✌) #DontShootTheMessenger
So why did Andrew's lawyers not investigate fully if this was indeed a fake by experts? Surely with today's technical skills and expertise this could have been proven.
I can only speculate.The lawyers had probably a time schedule up to the trial in the autumn. At first they asked the original of the photo. The Palace pressed PA to settle as fast as possible due to the Platinum Jubilee and he is very very loyal.
A source told me that the original photo cannot be produced because it never existed, the photo of Andrew and the girl are two photos, a photo of the girl in the exact same pose and dress, as she is with Andrew has come to light, been fused into one .
@the Unrepentant Look at the left shoulder of PA. It is so far from VG. The left shoulder and the right shoulder are almost in alignment. In the photo the left arm is significantly longer than the right arm. Bob Terry is right. Thank you, Bob.
@the Unrepentant You said: PA is turned about ten to fifteen degrees towards the viewer. I can concede that my expression "almost in alignment" means ten to fifteen degrees deflected from alignment. If the shoulders have a distance 60 cm we can use sine function. 10 cm and 15 cm are the values of a shorter cathetus (leg) responding to the length of 60cm hypotenuse and angels 10 and 15 degrees.That´s still not enough to reach the waist. And a lower arm is about 30 cm from an ellbow to a wrist. If we look at PA´s left shoulder in the picture we can anticipation its position behind his collar bone. An now the width of VG´s shoulders represents about 60 cm plus some space to the left shoulder of PA by estimation 7-8 cm. You insist that the PA´s lower left arm is nearly horizontal. It makes only 30 cm. Nevertheless you need 60cm ( width of shoulder) plus 7 cm space together 67 cm. This distances ( 30 cm versus 67 cm) match only in a fake photo.
Thank-you I see the same things..good observations.I was alway wondering how both foreground and back ground could both be in focus with a flash photo with- out light hitting the back of the room..it would require a camera f-stop of 5.6 or higher -is this a digital camera Photo? and was a ceiling light source above reflecting off the window in the back ground and not a flash?
There is another weird thing. Look at the Giuffre´s left hand. It seems as if she is squeezing something onto her hip. But the subject mysteriously vanished. The mysterious subject might be a hand of somebody else.
I have a theory about this strange robot-arm pose. Virginia is wearing the exact same outfit as she did in St Tropez at Naomi Campbell's birthday bash. She was carrying some kind of shoulder bag then as the strap is clearly visible in photos. I think that is your "mysterious subject".
A source told me an other oppinion: The two hands are not his hands - they are taken from to different pairs of hands - The right shirt cuff is floating, defying the law of gravity - the right limp wristed hand is there to cover VG's right hand which is flat on her hip. The face is his, but it's taken direct from a digital camera file, not digitalised analoge photographic paper - the main photograph comes from a 110 roll film camera - Where is the negative!?
Just checking out the two pictures. The painting with the jacket, the shadow against her body on the right side, the photo with Andrew, same shadow on her body there against Andrew... also his right hand, is out of line with his sleeve, unless there is something wrong with his hand.
How long is Andrew’s left arm? That was my immediate reaction on first sight. I think the hand looks like someone had added it for effect. Like to see a reconstruction attempt. The hand is a ‘force multiplier’ perhaps.
Lady Victoria Hervey claims: Moderator: Have you read her book? "She glamorizes everything. The book is saying how amazing Santa Fe is, how she's having the best time. She's on a yacht, she's drinking champagne, loving life in her words." Moderator: And you're trying to tell me she was trafficked? " No, she wasn't. She was a pr.stit.te. She was being paid. She was being paid to recruit the really young girls."
I noticed that VR left hand is not touching her hips and in between the space from her hands are something like curvy metals? appeared. And there was a picture of them that almost covered the entire place from the stairways into the side of Maxwell w/c had more picture frames. Wonder how far the photographer from the 3 that it had covered the stairways and the place where GM was leaning?
Somebody´s notice: Look at what is supposed to be his left hand on her waist. It's much darker than his right hand. Even the nail beds are dark. Everyone knows Prince Andrew is not going to be in the sun long enough to get that dark and certainly he's not going to tan one hand darker than the other. Allowing for shadows....that hand is still too dark and does not belong to him. Say what you will, but that is not his hand.
Somebody else claims : He has no harsh shadows behind him from the flash, the others do. wouldn’t the illuminated white wall fill in the dark edge to his face? Also there’s a light blob on his jaw like a layer mask took too much edge away.
He has no harsh shadows behind him from the flash, the others do. wouldn’t the illuminated white wall fill in the dark edge to his face? Also there’s a light blob on his jaw like a layer mask took too much edge away.
Lady Victoria Hervey, Miss Beautifully ( I mean, not officially), ex-girlfriend of PA . She is still his biggest defender claims: The settlement was all very sudden, especially since his side and PA´s lawyers had gathered so much incriminating information on her. "But I think whereas he did want it to go to trial, but his family were putting pressure on just sort of having this end." "So I don't think it was his decision in part for this because obviously he wants to prove his innocence. Because you believe that you have the smoking gun to prove that that infamous picture of PA and VG is actually fake." VG, in her words, is a Con artist.
Lady Victoria Hervey, Miss Beautifully ( I mean, not officially), ex-girlfriend of PA. She is still his biggest defender claims: The photo is actually made up of three pictures. You have the background shot, which most likely had GM in. Then you have the composite picture of VG in her outfit that she was also wearing on Naomi's yacht for her party. And then you have the image of John, who is a body double, who was dating one of Epstein's girls with PA's head on it.
An other lady claims that VG couldn’t even produce her evidence. VG ’s admitted she can’t find the original photo it’s in a box somewhere. So without the original photo it can’t be evaluated to prove it wasn’t tampered with. All she was doing was suing for money. She may have chose Andrew because he wasn’t American and he couldn’t hide or disappear and had some money which she wanted
Very possibly. The unfortunate thing is, he can't prove he didn't do it. And she has got rid of the photo, to prevent it being analysed. Or the photo never existed to begin with, which is what I tend to think. I photoshop a lot of images myself and it looks like the two figures on the left are copied and pasted. You can see a narrow grey ring around them. Also Andrew casts no shadow. Maybe he's a vampire in disguise?
utter drivel there a clear shadow on the TOP of the horizontal crease on his shirt . Thats impossible were it taken in daylight with light source from above.
A source claiming to be a professional photo retoucher and photoshop specialist says: I can confidently say that the photo is a montage of four photographs, in fact it is so badly cropped and assembled it was probably done on a simple PC by an absolute amateur.
I did the video a very simple way. My bad. You can go to a time point, for example 1:15 and then look at 0:06 where the picture is despplayed. And again to 1:15.
Andrew is at an angle facing the camera. If his right elbow were placed by his side snd his body was at 90 degrees in relation to the girl, his arm could easily reach the distance necessary to put his hand around her waist.
A very trustworthy source said: "The guy they used is in fact an Irish body double that they photoshopped Andrew´s head onto." "As in this is a painting of the original image before they added an empty background of( GM's) house. It was taken on the yacht in the South of France."
A source added: The photo is a fake. Back in 2001, there were only a few programs using cut and paste abilities, even photoshop didn't get it exactly right. I examined this photo just after it was released on internet, around 2010 / 2011 I think. I found a minimum of 10 mistakes, 10 cut and paste mistakes that stand out to someone (me) who was using the cut and paste technique regularly on Second life, but not with photoshop. The first biggest mistake is, Maxwells white staircase is in the right of her house, in the photo it is on the left. Second most noticeable is, Andrew has a square bum in the photo, it has straight edges from a badly amateurish cut and paste job. Others people can work out for themselves, like shadows in wrong place, and borders around Andrew, Giuffre and Maxwell.
Giuffre described the bathroom wrong, saying the bath was in the middle of the room, but Andrews lawyers found this could not have been true as the bathroom is so small.
A source explains: If you look at the ''photograph'' supplied 'VIRGINIA', Andrew's backside is three straight lines - if you believe the black space is a pair of trousers, then you believe he stables the stallion at 18 inches, and the low hanging fruit are even lower - also his left forearm is a foot longer than his right forearm. P.S. Maxwell isn't there either - she also has a black space for trousers, and her torso is a foot too long, because her legs are a foot too short.
where is the right door jam? The camera seems to be aligned with the place Maxwell is leaning on. However Maxwell appears to be leaning on a wall at 45° angle. All of the characters are rotated 5° left or right. And they are also rotated backward or forward by a similar amount. So each of the characters is taken from a different height. Prince Andrew appears to be descending a stairwell and About to wave.
The left door jamb is absent too, and the top of the door frame also appears to have no depth. And yet the window shows the flash was reflected from them both. Stranger still: how can the reflection from the left jamb even be possible as Virginia's head would have shielded it from the flash.
A source told me also this: Look at the shirt - you can see his back and his chest at the same time - that means his left side is a foot thicker than his right - messing around with paintshop pro creates impossible shapes in reality - PA didn't tell me - I've never met him - We lived hundreds of miles away from each other - I used my eyes
A source added: VG claims to still have the original copy in her nephew's garage in Australia plus VG claims the original is date stamped on the back??? It seems to be very weird story.
A lady told me that it is no coincidence that the case settled right after VG admitted she couldn’t find the original photo. There is a legal presumption that if a person destroys evidence (which could be not taking care of it and losing it) than the evidence would go against the person who destroyed it.
B.S.
Just deal with it. There's no "fake photo" or "photoshopped" conspiracy going on. The only "conspiracy" is that people in power are _still,_ in this day and age, above all semblance of the Law or even ethical or moral standards, that the rest of us adhere to simply by virtue of being raised to know the basic reasons between right and wrong.
For someone like Prince Andrew, (amongst _many_ others, around the World,) those same basic, fundamental standards don't seem to equally apply.
Meaning; No matter how much incriminating evidence is forthcoming, there will at least be people who will gaslight the rest of us, coming up with insane, nonsensical conspiracy theories to try and explain it away.
When, for any objective observer, the evidence is effectively as cut-and-dry straightforward as it comes.
I mean, use a little bit of intellectual honesty, what's easier to believe? That somebody is perpetrating an elaborate hoax, manufacturing fake photographs, and somehow getting actual women to come forward and lie? Or that it's all real, and all the evidence is pointing to Prince Andrew actually being just as guilty as Jeffrey Epstein himself?
It's common sense, man.
Sticking up for the guy is only saying more about YOU than anything else.
(I'm just sayin' ✌)
#DontShootTheMessenger
Please, step from the intellectual honesty down on the earth. Here we have a suspicion of extorting money.
Agree, but the photo does have anomalies.
So why did Andrew's lawyers not investigate fully if this was indeed a fake by experts? Surely with today's technical skills and expertise this could have been proven.
I can only speculate.The lawyers had probably a time schedule up to the trial in the autumn. At first they asked the original of the photo. The Palace pressed PA to settle as fast as possible due to the Platinum Jubilee and he is very very loyal.
Guiffre has conveniently 'lost' the 'original photo'.
A source told me that the original photo cannot be produced because it never existed, the photo of Andrew and the girl are two photos, a photo of the girl in the exact same pose and dress, as she is with Andrew has come to light, been fused into one .
Fact is - Andrew put the last nail in his own coffin when he did that interview. So the photo doesn’t really matter. Fake or real - he is guilty.
Andrew's left arm is twice as long as his right arm in the 'photo. Media choosing to ignore this for some reason.
@the Unrepentant Look at the left shoulder of PA. It is so far from VG. The left shoulder and the right shoulder are almost in alignment. In the photo the left arm is significantly longer than the right arm. Bob Terry is right. Thank you, Bob.
@the Unrepentant You said: PA is turned about ten to fifteen degrees towards the viewer. I can concede that my expression "almost in alignment" means ten to fifteen degrees deflected from alignment. If the shoulders have a distance 60 cm we can use sine function. 10 cm and 15 cm are the values of a shorter cathetus (leg) responding to the length of 60cm hypotenuse and angels 10 and 15 degrees.That´s still not enough to reach the waist. And a lower arm is about 30 cm from an ellbow to a wrist. If we look at PA´s left shoulder in the picture we can anticipation its position behind his collar bone. An now the width of VG´s shoulders represents about 60 cm plus some space to the left shoulder of PA by estimation 7-8 cm. You insist that the PA´s lower left arm is nearly horizontal. It makes only 30 cm. Nevertheless you need 60cm ( width of shoulder) plus 7 cm space together 67 cm. This distances ( 30 cm versus 67 cm) match only in a fake photo.
@the Unrepentant Similar bodies? Maybe Mr Orang with his long arms.
@the Unrepentant Every photo has a flash red eye. Then you can glue the pieces together. There are no evidence.
Thank-you I see the same things..good observations.I was alway wondering how both foreground and back ground could both be in focus with a flash photo with- out light hitting the back of the room..it would require a camera f-stop of 5.6 or higher -is this a digital camera Photo? and was a ceiling light source above reflecting off the window in the back ground and not a flash?
There is another weird thing. Look at the Giuffre´s left hand. It seems as if she is squeezing something onto her hip. But the subject mysteriously vanished. The mysterious subject might be a hand of somebody else.
I have a theory about this strange robot-arm pose. Virginia is wearing the exact same outfit as she did in St Tropez at Naomi Campbell's birthday bash. She was carrying some kind of shoulder bag then as the strap is clearly visible in photos. I think that is your "mysterious subject".
@@alexandersmith9469 Thank you. You are stupendously observant, indeed. Congratulations.
@@alexandersmith9469 very good analysis.
A source told me an other oppinion: The two hands are not his hands - they are taken from to different pairs of hands - The right shirt cuff is floating, defying the law of gravity - the right limp wristed hand is there to cover VG's right hand which is flat on her hip. The face is his, but it's taken direct from a digital camera file, not digitalised analoge photographic paper - the main photograph comes from a 110 roll film camera - Where is the negative!?
Just checking out the two pictures. The painting with the jacket, the shadow against her body on the right side, the photo with Andrew, same shadow on her body there against Andrew... also his right hand, is out of line with his sleeve, unless there is something wrong with his hand.
How can they tell his face is from a digital camera?
How long is Andrew’s left arm? That was my immediate reaction on first sight. I think the hand looks like someone had added it for effect. Like to see a reconstruction attempt. The hand is a ‘force multiplier’ perhaps.
The author "Phat Time" brings an one hour long detailed explanation how the photo is counterfeited. It´s very instructive .
Hi, do you have a link for that?
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Thanks for that :)
You can see the reflection of the flash in the window
Lady Victoria Hervey claims:
Moderator: Have you read her book?
"She glamorizes everything. The book is saying how amazing Santa Fe
is, how she's having the best time.
She's on a yacht, she's drinking
champagne, loving life in her words."
Moderator: And you're trying to tell me she was trafficked?
" No, she wasn't. She was a pr.stit.te. She was being paid. She was being paid to recruit the really young girls."
A good point was raised here, why would Andrew allow a photo like this to be taken? either the photo is fake or he is extremely stupid.
Both.
We need a republic
I noticed that VR left hand is not touching her hips and in between the space from her hands are something like curvy metals? appeared. And there was a picture of them that almost covered the entire place from the stairways into the side of Maxwell w/c had more picture frames. Wonder how far the photographer from the 3 that it had covered the stairways and the place where GM was leaning?
Somebody´s notice: Look at what is supposed to be his left hand on her waist. It's much darker than his right hand. Even the nail beds are dark. Everyone knows Prince Andrew is not going to be in the sun long enough to get that dark and certainly he's not going to tan one hand darker than the other. Allowing for shadows....that hand is still too dark and does not belong to him. Say what you will, but that is not his hand.
Somebody else claims : He has no harsh shadows behind him from the flash, the others do. wouldn’t the illuminated white wall fill in the dark edge to his face? Also there’s a light blob on his jaw like a layer mask took too much edge away.
Well Wouldn't just finding the real picture that this cut out was taken from be easy to do to clear this mess up? I mean they got it from somewhere.
Lady Victoria Hervey claims: I think PA can still clear his name
with the amount of information that we have.
He has no harsh shadows behind him from the flash, the others do. wouldn’t the illuminated white wall fill in the dark edge to his face? Also there’s a light blob on his jaw like a layer mask took too much edge away.
Lady Victoria Hervey, Miss Beautifully ( I mean, not officially), ex-girlfriend of PA . She is still his biggest defender claims:
The settlement was all very sudden, especially
since his side and PA´s lawyers had gathered
so much incriminating information on her.
"But I think whereas he did want it to
go to trial, but his family were putting pressure
on just sort of having this end."
"So I don't think it was his decision in part
for this because obviously he wants to prove his innocence.
Because you believe that you have the smoking
gun to prove that that infamous picture of
PA and VG is actually fake."
VG, in her words, is a Con artist.
Lady Victoria Hervey, Miss Beautifully ( I mean, not officially), ex-girlfriend of PA. She is still his biggest defender claims:
The photo is actually made up of three pictures.
You have the background shot, which
most likely had GM in.
Then you have the composite picture of VG
in her outfit that she was also wearing
on Naomi's yacht for her party.
And then you have the image of John, who
is a body double, who was dating one of
Epstein's girls with PA's head on it.
A photographer specialising in infrared imaging techniques did an infrared analysis and found anomalies. PA´s head looks very strange.
Regarding the body being an Irish guy, Andrew has already admitted that they are his clothes.
One white shirt looks the same as another.
Might be his clothes (as you would expect), but a fused photo !
@@joysynmonds9082 you might be right
@@joysynmonds9082 if he is innocent, that means the Queen stripped his royal titles for nothing.
@@controllerbrain By stripping he has been allowed to fight at the court. I hope, he will do as he did at Falklands.
Please, when and to whom has he admitted it?
An other lady claims that VG couldn’t even produce her evidence. VG ’s admitted she can’t find the original photo it’s in a box somewhere. So without the original photo it can’t be evaluated to prove it wasn’t tampered with. All she was doing was suing for money. She may have chose Andrew because he wasn’t American and he couldn’t hide or disappear and had some money which she wanted
He's guilty. Get over it!
So he paid a sh1tload of money to someone he has never met for something he didn’t do!
He did. He intended to prevent an eclipse of the Platinum Jubilee of HMTQ.
Very possibly. The unfortunate thing is, he can't prove he didn't do it.
And she has got rid of the photo, to prevent it being analysed.
Or the photo never existed to begin with, which is what I tend to think.
I photoshop a lot of images myself and it looks like the two figures on the left are copied and pasted.
You can see a narrow grey ring around them.
Also Andrew casts no shadow.
Maybe he's a vampire in disguise?
You think that has never happened before?
That's been shopped
utter drivel there a clear shadow on the TOP of the horizontal crease on his shirt . Thats impossible were it taken in daylight with light source from above.
A source claiming to be a professional photo retoucher and photoshop specialist says: I can confidently say that the photo is a montage of four photographs, in fact it is so badly cropped and assembled it was probably done on a simple PC by an absolute amateur.
His arm must 7 feet long.
Show the photo as you explain! If we are looking at the face of this man we are not understanding what he is explaining!
I did the video a very simple way. My bad. You can go to a time point, for example 1:15 and then look at 0:06 where the picture is despplayed. And again to 1:15.
Andrew is at an angle facing the camera. If his right elbow were placed by his side snd his body was at 90 degrees in relation to the girl, his arm could easily reach the distance necessary to put his hand around her waist.
Where is the light source and where is the camera.?
A very trustworthy source said:
"The guy they used is in fact an Irish body double that they photoshopped Andrew´s head onto."
"As in this is a painting of the original image before they added an empty background of( GM's) house. It was taken on the yacht in the South of France."
Yes, Niaomi Campbell's birthday party on a boat. Which is why Guiffre is wearing exactly the same clothes.
A source added:
The photo is a fake. Back in 2001, there were only a few programs using cut and paste abilities, even photoshop didn't get it exactly right.
I examined this photo just after it was released on internet, around 2010 / 2011 I think. I found a minimum of 10 mistakes, 10 cut and paste mistakes that stand out to someone (me) who was using the cut and paste technique regularly on Second life, but not with photoshop.
The first biggest mistake is, Maxwells white staircase is in the right of her house, in the photo it is on the left. Second most noticeable is, Andrew has a square bum in the photo, it has straight edges from a badly amateurish cut and paste job. Others people can work out for themselves, like shadows in wrong place, and borders around Andrew, Giuffre and Maxwell.
Maybe he has a wallet in his back pocket?
Giuffre described the bathroom wrong, saying the bath was in the middle of the room, but Andrews lawyers found this could not have been true as the bathroom is so small.
A source explains: If you look at the ''photograph'' supplied 'VIRGINIA', Andrew's backside is three straight lines - if you believe the black space is a pair of trousers, then you believe he stables the stallion at 18 inches, and the low hanging fruit are even lower - also his left forearm is a foot longer than his right forearm.
P.S. Maxwell isn't there either - she also has a black space for trousers, and her torso is a foot too long, because her legs are a foot too short.
It’s a fake
where is the right door jam? The camera seems to be aligned with the place Maxwell is leaning on. However Maxwell appears to be leaning on a wall at 45° angle. All of the characters are rotated 5° left or right. And they are also rotated backward or forward by a similar amount. So each of the characters is taken from a different height. Prince Andrew appears to be descending a stairwell and About to wave.
The left door jamb is absent too, and the top of the door frame also appears to have no depth. And yet the window shows the flash was reflected from them both. Stranger still: how can the reflection from the left jamb even be possible as Virginia's head would have shielded it from the flash.
This might allegedly happen: Did the alleged Irish guy sweat like a rain?
A source told me also this: Look at the shirt - you can see his back and his chest at the same time - that means his left side is a foot thicker than his right - messing around with paintshop pro creates impossible shapes in reality - PA didn't tell me - I've never met him - We lived hundreds of miles away from each other - I used my eyes
Gosh I didn't notice that until you mentioned it. Andrew looks like he has a hump on his back. Really strange.
A source added: VG claims to still have the original copy in her nephew's garage in Australia plus VG claims the original is date stamped on the back??? It seems to be very weird story.
Good point he must arms like an aranatang
Thank you. Orangutans have very long arms but not people.
Yeah, if you insist.
🤪😂😂😂😂
Fake as !!!!