The good part about the stan is that they purposely made the release to all match in the onnex line. The thumb, hinge, and the resistance all have the string in the same location. You can go through all releases and have no change in the draw.
I literally just bought the full set of UV hinge 2 and the UV Button. Bank account took a hit but I love shooting and love to get better. Therapeutic for me to fling some arrows. Keep up the good work boss!
Tru ball is very good. Especially when it comes to their warranty. Ultraview has been great for scopes, but I haven't tried their releases. The older Stan hinges like the black jack were very well made. The good thing about releases is people change them more than their underwear. There's a decent used market to find what you like, but you have to give each release some time. My go to release is the tru ball blade at the moment.
@@bmook019 I ran the nock 2 it for a year and really enjoyed it. I traded a buddy for his Stan and don’t seem to shoot it as well. I have ultraviews first hinge from a few years back and shoot it really well. Thought I would buy both hinge 2 and UV button since I like the feel of the first hinge and it will be nice to have 2 releases that feel and fit the same.
I Really liked the Canadian hunting video, release video is well done as well. It really sucks that the Canadian dollar is so weak and the import fee makes buying anything from the us very costly 😢
I have a question, about everything???? 😊 the way you are anchored looks like the back of your release hand is lightly touching the side of your face? Correct? If so, is your D loop twisted sideways and does that even matter? I guess it might not because it’s just the loop and not the string???? Please comment back. I would like to know the answer.
You are spot on TIm the neck is too long on the ultraview . Really like how you give your opinion and don’t try to sell me something just so you will get sponsored anyway KEEP UP the great videos
Started with the ultraview 2.0, then went to the Hbc flex and my shooting went way up. Now I own the fulcrum flex, hbc, executive and the stan perfex for windy windy days. Fulcrum and hbc are both my go to. Love the videos and content!
One thing to note on the Stan is finger extension angle can be changed and more importantly a different sized extension can be used. I am using a medium 3rd finger on a large body. For me, the Stan is more comfortable on draw length since it has a shorter neck than the UV2 and I am probably as long as I can comfortably go on mod setting.
The hinge 2 is my favorite and go to currently, but like you said because of the neck length you have to commit to it. It’s nice being able to go between the hinge 2 and the UV thumb button without changing POI though.
you are correct though as I have the hinge 2 but cant use it as much since I hunt with a tru ball thumb and it changes poi. I have a different bow set up just for the hinge that I dont hunt with
I shoot both the uv hinge 2 and the UV button. I love shooting the hinge. My favorite of the two. I prefer the uv button for hunting as I draw a heavier poundage for hunting.would love to see a spot Hogg wise guy comparison.
I shot the Stan Onnex for a while then bought the UV Hinge 2 and I LOVE it!!! I still love my Stan and I go back and fourth. I’m just more consistent with me Hinge. But the hinge 2 adjustability capabilities are insane how easy and how you can get it set perfectly to how you like!! I love it
If your trying to figure out what to shoot ask the godfather of archery, Sigma thumb release 😂 Been with you since you left (E-H) it’s All good brother just wanted to throw my two cents in!
I have thought about getting a Ultraview Hinge 2 just because i love my Ultraview Button So much. I do agree with what you said about the Ultraview it is annoying that it is a tad longer then other releases which makes it harder to switch between releases to test
What I love about the UV and Stan is their hinge and thumb button are set up exactly the same. It’s easy to shoot a hinge for practice then hunt with a thumb button without changing your sight/tune.
Rocking a Stan Onnex Thumb right now, have a crappy hinge that the handle is just too big to be comfortable. Think i'll get a Stan Hinge next for practice.
I bought an Onnex resistance for training, and shoot a Stan shootoff (I bought a week before they came out with the trainer lock), that one's close, but not exactly the same. I'm looking to maybe replace the Shootoff with an Onnex thumb. The Shootoff for some reason feels more quality than the Onnex though
Shooting a original uv hinge. Its my favorite at the moment. Ive also been shooting a truball hbc. Honestly thinking about trading the hbc for a uv hinge 2.
@@TimConnor13 I think it fits better in my hand. The hbc gives me callouses on my pointer finger. I don't know why. The hook on the hbc is small hard to get on loop. I think the uv hinge has a slight cleaner crisper break.
@@TimConnor13 thanks Tim. I meant to say please. Didn’t want to sound demanding. I’m glad you broke away from elkshape and doing back to basics things. That’s what drew me to elkshape to begin with. Now it’s so technical and over the top I feel like it’s out of my class, and I’ve been doing this a long time.
A handheld release is so personal. It has to fit. It has to be at the correct angle to use your back to activate it. The Stan has that spike coming off the back of the finger post. I shot that release and thought the first thing I would do is grind that thing off. I also thought I would have to figure out how to remove the extra gate that makes it nearly impossible to get on the d loop. The UV has NO adjustment for the fingers, and the click speed is two independent moons. That means that if you want to adjust the speed of the release, you also have to adjust click speed again. Neither of those two fit my hand well so they were never in strong contention but they both are smooth, crisp releases and if they fit you they will serve you well. I liked the shot and the weight of the heavy metal onnex but I don't like having my fingers spread apart like that. I like a thumb button better and I have shot a truball Abyss for years, and just last week got an Ultimate. The jury is still out on which one I'll like better but I'm testing the Ultimate right now.
Yes. I would throw my life away for this opportunity and lose so bad. I only have pressure when shooting deer. Also... Why this video 2 days after I choose a release 🤣. I picked up a thumb button tho (Stan onnex). Hunted with a Carter Honey 2 last year though!
I shoot foam with a carter 2 moons L, b/t, hunt with the chocolate. I also 10/10 recommend Carter. Nothing wrong with the 3 in the video. The chocolate is what got me off indexes. I honestly never needed the 2 moons just got one used on a steal locally. But I love it it for a random deal.
Its been out a while but would like to try the Scott Ascent/Select (click and fire adjustable, select has flex), one of the first independently adjustable to become available My issue with a thumb tends to be me getting twitchy, which goes away with some hinge (then comes back at some point later !) My ancient brass hbc and Carter Chocolate Addiction have roughly the same sight marks while the hinge 2 requires extra sight movement (may also have rounded the really small adjustment/lock screws on hinge 2)
I wish I had waited to order from the website until after this video! I literally just ordered from podium archer on Friday. I got the email saying the label has been created but not shipped yet. Just switched to the Ultraview thumb button and really enjoy it so far. Had to get the large. Was sad that podium archer didn’t have the 2 finger bracket on his site. Looking forward to trying the podium archer points. Unfortunately the titanium inserts are out of stock.
The Stan hinge is the best option if going to switch to the Stan thumb when hunting. I’ve used TruBall and the hook is small and cantankerous to get on the loop but the design of the head lets you use a heavy glove in cold weather without pushing the hook off the moon. The longer neck on the Ultraview may be beneficial in cold weather. I have used a hinge for hunting but it is setup completely different than the release I use for target. Target I use a click and pull through the shot. Hunting release is setup with a long travel, no click and I command shoot it. It’s setup so I can hold all day and it’s not going to fire until I “command” it too. I can rotate the release fast or slow depending on the situation. This works for me……..you, maybe not so much😂
Great job so far on the solo venture👍. I have reckoning envy. Just bought an ss34 after selling my solution. Keep up the great content, I’m gonna drive down from BC and get SVA to set up the new bow and maybe rip a pile of arrows on the 3D course.
I think you left out an important part. To train or target shoot with a hinge is ideal but, as you say, it's best to hunt with a thumb release. So the important thing is the crossover between the two releases you use. Uv 2 and the Stan hinges have been built to be the same shape as their thumb counterpart so there's no need to change anything when you swap from hinge to thumb release.
I love you guys! Especially after that impromptu debate on Bobby Lee vs Theo Von comedy you had on Fireside Chats the other day! You guys are part of my daily digest and I finally had to sing it out loud. Tim, you can still outshoot me and I don’t think I have to preface this when I say, I really do enjoy the newer archer point of view. Having only gotten serious into shooting since 2020, I love having all three of you to learn with and from. I used to just sit around all day long waiting for Dudley to figure out a way to explain archery to me and nowadays I’m real grateful for what you guys do!!! I would love to travel out that way and visit the shop, do a Tac, meet my heroes and make sure my draw length is rock solid but for now, thanks for your hours of hard work, awesome what-would- I-do-without-you-guys-content and solid cross-country shipping 🤙🏼🤙🏽🤙🏾🤙🏿
IMO, too many thumb button shooters have them set up with what I call a floating thumb position. The thumb is reaching out to ride on the barrel in a supposed natural position? This allows for ease of commanding the shot which can be a negative aspect. I prefer to hook my thumb deep over the barrel to touch or ride on my index finger. This position helps to greatly stabilize my thumb allowing me to repeatedly pull through WITHOUT moving my thumb consciously on “ command?” My hinges are set so there’s no finger or hand movements required. Just pulling thru and the natural “ slip?” on my skin in my hand creates enough movement to fire it. Just saying
@@TimConnor13 - Alright but you need to come to the island and shoot some 3D. I can’t even get releases on the island of decent quality to try out. Wish there was a rental program.
Subscriber shoot off next?!
Considering this is the best chance I'll ever have of winning; yes, yes you should
Absolutely! To bad Im so far away. Lol
At sva🙏🏻
Virtual option??
Even though I'm in hawaii, I still want you to it!!!
The good part about the stan is that they purposely made the release to all match in the onnex line. The thumb, hinge, and the resistance all have the string in the same location. You can go through all releases and have no change in the draw.
HBC Flex 👌🏻
It’s $$$
Great release! I just got the GOAT so I can shoot the same release year round, target and hunting.
I literally just bought the full set of UV hinge 2 and the UV Button. Bank account took a hit but I love shooting and love to get better. Therapeutic for me to fling some arrows. Keep up the good work boss!
Yeah hard to skimp cost on good gear, glad you’re enjoying!
A great fit on draw length & anchor point too when switching back & forth. Stan has this option w/ the Onnex. Great gear!
Tru ball is very good. Especially when it comes to their warranty. Ultraview has been great for scopes, but I haven't tried their releases. The older Stan hinges like the black jack were very well made. The good thing about releases is people change them more than their underwear. There's a decent used market to find what you like, but you have to give each release some time. My go to release is the tru ball blade at the moment.
@@bmook019 I ran the nock 2 it for a year and really enjoyed it. I traded a buddy for his Stan and don’t seem to shoot it as well. I have ultraviews first hinge from a few years back and shoot it really well. Thought I would buy both hinge 2 and UV button since I like the feel of the first hinge and it will be nice to have 2 releases that feel and fit the same.
I would love to see the new b3 infinity pro vs the new Scott
I Really liked the Canadian hunting video, release video is well done as well. It really sucks that the Canadian dollar is so weak and the import fee makes buying anything from the us very costly 😢
Thanks my dude
I have a question, about everything???? 😊 the way you are anchored looks like the back of your release hand is lightly touching the side of your face? Correct? If so, is your D loop twisted sideways and does that even matter? I guess it might not because it’s just the loop and not the string???? Please comment back. I would like to know the answer.
Love ya brother!
Check with Josh for your R.L.A shop hat, should be there in 2 weeks max.
I sent him 2 hats, ones for you.
Cheers.
Great video!
I would absolutely like to see you do the other brands
Word!
You should do more videos with your Mathews
You are spot on TIm the neck is too long on the ultraview . Really like how you give your opinion and don’t try to sell me something just so you will get sponsored anyway KEEP UP the great videos
Thank you my friend 🙏
Also the video hunt with your dad awesome what hunting should be about 👍👍 you and MFJJ keep them coming
Started with the ultraview 2.0, then went to the Hbc flex and my shooting went way up. Now I own the fulcrum flex, hbc, executive and the stan perfex for windy windy days. Fulcrum and hbc are both my go to. Love the videos and content!
I like a good collection of releases ✊
My go to for hunting is the TruBall Blade with the new G.O.A.T Thumb Assembly.
Target bow: U.V 2 and Goat Hinge
Thanks I wanna buy a hinge, which would you or Josh recommend for a newbie?
So the thumb bar is only for pulling back? You take your thumb off to execute the shoot! 😮
Hey Tim, awesome intel. Any mention from anybody on the Scott Sigma ? I saw JJ had one in his hands while he was explaining ...... 👀 .
That’s his old faithful
After a year shooting a hinge I can confidently say my groups at 50+ are 1/4 of what they were punching my index
Awesome!
One thing to note on the Stan is finger extension angle can be changed and more importantly a different sized extension can be used. I am using a medium 3rd finger on a large body. For me, the Stan is more comfortable on draw length since it has a shorter neck than the UV2 and I am probably as long as I can comfortably go on mod setting.
Thanks! I shoot the Onnex heavy brass hinge and love it!
B3 draw, b3 exit pro, Scott sigma
Just subscribed!! 😁👍
Can you attach wrist strap to onnex its safer than letting it loose on dloop
Good video! Thinking about using that code to pick up a heavy metal Onnex hinge to go along with my thumb button.
That’s a combo ✊
The hinge 2 is my favorite and go to currently, but like you said because of the neck length you have to commit to it. It’s nice being able to go between the hinge 2 and the UV thumb button without changing POI though.
Yeah and I hate giving up draw length.. they are crispy tho 🤌
@@TimConnor13 they dont change draw length they change your anchor but I get what your saying lol
you are correct though as I have the hinge 2 but cant use it as much since I hunt with a tru ball thumb and it changes poi. I have a different bow set up just for the hinge that I dont hunt with
@@TimConnor13 I just had to shorten my d loop but it does change your anchor
I started archery because of Chris and Ultraview. It's not for everyone, but I use it and have great confidence with it.
that's awesome, glad you're slinging arrows
I shoot both the uv hinge 2 and the UV button. I love shooting the hinge. My favorite of the two. I prefer the uv button for hunting as I draw a heavier poundage for hunting.would love to see a spot Hogg wise guy comparison.
I’ve shot the wise guy.. I have thoughts for sure
Carter..makes the best release😂😂
Hoping for your comparison of the respective Thumb button releases.
Noted 🙏🙏
I shot the Stan Onnex for a while then bought the UV Hinge 2 and I LOVE it!!! I still love my Stan and I go back and fourth. I’m just more consistent with me Hinge. But the hinge 2 adjustability capabilities are insane how easy and how you can get it set perfectly to how you like!! I love it
Word!!
The Stan Perfex has been a wonderful switch from my wrist strap. Not sure how it can be beat but I gotta say I really like it.
If the dude likes it, I like it
If your trying to figure out what to shoot ask the godfather of archery, Sigma thumb release 😂
Been with you since you left (E-H) it’s All good brother just wanted to throw my two cents in!
Sigma thumb is solid, I actually own one lol
Does the sigma fit like a medium or large ?
I have thought about getting a Ultraview Hinge 2 just because i love my Ultraview Button So much. I do agree with what you said about the Ultraview it is annoying that it is a tad longer then other releases which makes it harder to switch between releases to test
Probably worth it to have the hinge too since you have the button.. it’s nice to shoot for training technique
I shoot a stan shootoff TL thumb button release it is so crisp and clean.
Ol’ Stan!!
What I love about the UV and Stan is their hinge and thumb button are set up exactly the same. It’s easy to shoot a hinge for practice then hunt with a thumb button without changing your sight/tune.
for sure!! I like that too
Rocking a Stan Onnex Thumb right now, have a crappy hinge that the handle is just too big to be comfortable. Think i'll get a Stan Hinge next for practice.
Word!
I bought an Onnex resistance for training, and shoot a Stan shootoff (I bought a week before they came out with the trainer lock), that one's close, but not exactly the same. I'm looking to maybe replace the Shootoff with an Onnex thumb. The Shootoff for some reason feels more quality than the Onnex though
Let's see some on the B3 ghost
Shooting a original uv hinge. Its my favorite at the moment. Ive also been shooting a truball hbc. Honestly thinking about trading the hbc for a uv hinge 2.
What do you enjoy more about the UV hinge vs hbc?
@@TimConnor13 I think it fits better in my hand. The hbc gives me callouses on my pointer finger. I don't know why. The hook on the hbc is small hard to get on loop. I think the uv hinge has a slight cleaner crisper break.
Tim
Do a video trying the most popular index releases. I’m considering one for this season.
noted!
@@TimConnor13 thanks Tim. I meant to say please. Didn’t want to sound demanding. I’m glad you broke away from elkshape and doing back to basics things. That’s what drew me to elkshape to begin with. Now it’s so technical and over the top I feel like it’s out of my class, and I’ve been doing this a long time.
Are the $99 UV button( the dual adjustable) 2s im finding counterfeit or something?
A handheld release is so personal. It has to fit. It has to be at the correct angle to use your back to activate it. The Stan has that spike coming off the back of the finger post. I shot that release and thought the first thing I would do is grind that thing off. I also thought I would have to figure out how to remove the extra gate that makes it nearly impossible to get on the d loop. The UV has NO adjustment for the fingers, and the click speed is two independent moons. That means that if you want to adjust the speed of the release, you also have to adjust click speed again. Neither of those two fit my hand well so they were never in strong contention but they both are smooth, crisp releases and if they fit you they will serve you well. I liked the shot and the weight of the heavy metal onnex but I don't like having my fingers spread apart like that. I like a thumb button better and I have shot a truball Abyss for years, and just last week got an Ultimate. The jury is still out on which one I'll like better but I'm testing the Ultimate right now.
Yes. I would throw my life away for this opportunity and lose so bad. I only have pressure when shooting deer. Also... Why this video 2 days after I choose a release 🤣. I picked up a thumb button tho (Stan onnex). Hunted with a Carter Honey 2 last year though!
Carter!
I shoot foam with a carter 2 moons L, b/t, hunt with the chocolate.
I also 10/10 recommend Carter. Nothing wrong with the 3 in the video.
The chocolate is what got me off indexes. I honestly never needed the 2 moons just got one used on a steal locally. But I love it it for a random deal.
Stan. I'd maybe say UV but that long neck is a deal breaker, plus the Stan comes with lots of parts for adjustability
Scott sigma vs apex core. Trying to get into a thumb release from a Scott t handle index release
I’ve been considering a Carter Honey 2 because of its simplicity and it has the safety
Its been out a while but would like to try the Scott Ascent/Select (click and fire adjustable, select has flex), one of the first independently adjustable to become available
My issue with a thumb tends to be me getting twitchy, which goes away with some hinge (then comes back at some point later !)
My ancient brass hbc and Carter Chocolate Addiction have roughly the same sight marks while the hinge 2 requires extra sight movement (may also have rounded the really small adjustment/lock screws on hinge 2)
I've been wanting to try a Hinge. For me I'd probably try the Onnex because I usually shoot a Perfex thumb release.
Great video and great reviews on each release, but could you work on your focusing of the product that you're review.
I wish I had waited to order from the website until after this video! I literally just ordered from podium archer on Friday. I got the email saying the label has been created but not shipped yet. Just switched to the Ultraview thumb button and really enjoy it so far. Had to get the large. Was sad that podium archer didn’t have the 2 finger bracket on his site. Looking forward to trying the podium archer points. Unfortunately the titanium inserts are out of stock.
The Stan hinge is the best option if going to switch to the Stan thumb when hunting. I’ve used TruBall and the hook is small and cantankerous to get on the loop but the design of the head lets you use a heavy glove in cold weather without pushing the hook off the moon. The longer neck on the Ultraview may be beneficial in cold weather. I have used a hinge for hunting but it is setup completely different than the release I use for target. Target I use a click and pull through the shot. Hunting release is setup with a long travel, no click and I command shoot it. It’s setup so I can hold all day and it’s not going to fire until I “command” it too. I can rotate the release fast or slow depending on the situation. This works for me……..you, maybe not so much😂
Great job so far on the solo venture👍. I have reckoning envy. Just bought an ss34 after selling my solution. Keep up the great content, I’m gonna drive down from BC and get SVA to set up the new bow and maybe rip a pile of arrows on the 3D course.
I really like my hbc flex . Wish they would do like uv and make a thumb to match
I've been running the UV thumb and carter wise choice. Loved the carter just wasn't a fan of how loud the release was
What was the thumb release JJ had at the beginning?
Scott Sigma
@@TimConnor13 thanks! Hope to run into you one day. Keep up the great content!
you need to try a zenith ;) You should also def try a conquest :D or "bernies" ;)
How do you find a anchor point coming from a index to a thumb release?
I think you left out an important part.
To train or target shoot with a hinge is ideal but, as you say, it's best to hunt with a thumb release. So the important thing is the crossover between the two releases you use. Uv 2 and the Stan hinges have been built to be the same shape as their thumb counterpart so there's no need to change anything when you swap from hinge to thumb release.
Could you maybe do like a cheaper thumb button shootoff? Love the content!
Would love to see b3 infinity Carter or nock on, and Scott awesome content
Just placed an order with your code. Thanks.
What is the release that Josh was showing in the beginning, with the full loop hole?
I really thought the B-3 should've been on the list.
Truball makes the best release on the market.... in my opinion
UV Hinge 2 with the hunting bracket all day!
I own a load of releases and always searching for the perfect fit. Good stuff
I think I may have a release addiction myself 🤣✊
What would you recommend for a first time thumb button release ?
@@mattiecreates I like the carter wise choice or Scott sigma. Both around the 200.00 mark but both quality releases and will last you a lifetime.
Awesome video man!!
Thanks my dude
Nice review, keep up with the vidoes I really enjoy them.
Good stuff Tim.
Thanks G
Thanks for another great video Tim
The best handheld release is the one you prefer.
I love you guys! Especially after that impromptu debate on Bobby Lee vs Theo Von comedy you had on Fireside Chats the other day! You guys are part of my daily digest and I finally had to sing it out loud. Tim, you can still outshoot me and I don’t think I have to preface this when I say, I really do enjoy the newer archer point of view. Having only gotten serious into shooting since 2020, I love having all three of you to learn with and from. I used to just sit around all day long waiting for Dudley to figure out a way to explain archery to me and nowadays I’m real grateful for what you guys do!!! I would love to travel out that way and visit the shop, do a Tac, meet my heroes and make sure my draw length is rock solid but for now, thanks for your hours of hard work, awesome what-would- I-do-without-you-guys-content and solid cross-country shipping 🤙🏼🤙🏽🤙🏾🤙🏿
thanks dude!
Pretty insightful review
GOAT is where it’s at
A hinge is good for training, but I have more than enough face bruises.
Hahaha 😂 take your time
I need a Stan release
All excellent releases.
Tell JJ to put the Stan on his website if he want to sell one lol
It’s on the website and also linked in my description my dude ✊
Don’t think that one is the same one the link is the resistance style
IMO, too many thumb button shooters have them set up with what I call a floating thumb position. The thumb is reaching out to ride on the barrel in a supposed natural position? This allows for ease of commanding the shot which can be a negative aspect. I prefer to hook my thumb deep over the barrel to touch or ride on my index finger. This position helps to greatly stabilize my thumb allowing me to repeatedly pull through WITHOUT moving my thumb consciously on “ command?” My hinges are set so there’s no finger or hand movements required. Just pulling thru and the natural “ slip?” on my skin in my hand creates enough movement to fire it. Just saying
Should of added Carter releases.
You should make a video about it
@@TimConnor13 - Alright but you need to come to the island and shoot some 3D. I can’t even get releases on the island of decent quality to try out. Wish there was a rental program.
Scott ascent snubbed
Make a video about it, UA-cam is a free platform
@@TimConnor13 sorry all jokes appreciate the review
Truball ht. #1 to me hinge. #2. Total Control ( two moons infinite adjustability)
Noted!!