There's MANY issues with Love, Victor **FULL SEASON 1 COMMENTARY**
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Victor: I did tons of research
Me, an intellectual gay: But did you take the Am I Gay quiz
Skam?
many, many times.
Me, an indecisive and inquiring gay: The real question is *how many* gay quizzes did he take?
the correct answer is enough that when he looked up a new one when he clicked on it he realized he'd already taken it.
Took it in 7th grade, realized bisexuality in 11th
Isak, Skam lolll
I'm so genuinely annoyed by the way Benji's boyfriend (I don't remember his name and I don't care) said anniversaries are for straight people. It comes across so pompous and weird, as if many closeted gay couples wouldn't kill to be able to celebrate a year of dating in a public setting. Like shut up
*Derek is his name
Meet enough gay people and you'll find gays that feel the exact same way with almost the exact same reasoning.
But low key low key as a gay I agree
@@mattpen that's weird, literally almost every friend i've ever taked about romance with is not straight in some way and like i've never heard that hot take in my life? like i know some who dislike how they feel like they're being forcefed marriage and a nuclear family but i've never met anyone who hated anniversaries specifically
Hmmm a lot of gay people (me included) think that and I don't like it how the show uses it to demonstrate how derrik treats Benji poorly. To rethink heterosexual moldes pushed down our throats is a great part of discovering how to live our lives in a more authentic way.
Okay I’m not sure if anyone else noticed this, but at the very end where the camera is focused entirely on Victor as he’s working up his courage to say the words, it gets really quiet and you can hear the deep breaths Victor is taking, and after he finally says “I’m gay” what do we hear? A large exhale, which I think was a subtle callback to what Simon’s mom said to Simon about how she felt he had been holding his breath for years and now he could finally exhale. That’s actually a really cool directorial choice to me.
I'm not gonna lie, I highly doubt that the director thought that through. BUt it's cool that you interpreted it like that!
@@alenanela1743 i feel like he/she was trying to make it dramatic
@@alenanela1743 it is a some sort of dream or him just practicing in the mirror orsomething cuz in the season 2 trailer it still shows him struggle to tell his family
That is just a coincidence I think but cool pickup
wow you caught something there. i think you are right about exhaling. i also think he exhaled because it was finally done, he did it and it was like the mountain of his shoulders and relief for finally getting it out.
“Simon is gay Jesus... in Creekwood” - Trin Lovell 2020
I love that line so much.
I mean yeah
I feel like the cheating gay protagonist is SO overdone, like there’s other ways to portray yearning and betrayal.
Wendy D. YESS! It always bothers me when its used
Exactly exactly
Also sexual fluidity because I think they were trying that.
Some people do cheat, though. I think it can be done, it just has to be done *right*.
I was really upset with this show for that because I thought they wouldn’t do that storyline but they did :/
can we all agree that felix was a 10x better friend than ANY of Simon's friends...
Claire Casey period!!
He's the love of my life istg, best character
JUSTICE FOR FELIX
Felix is the loml literally from episode 1 I loved him
Periodt
You’re not being harsh. Benji was flirty and then suddenly cold af
I started this show for Victor and I stayed for Felix. And I am sorry, but they did my girl Mia dirty. Other people shouldn't be collateral damage in your process of figuring out who you are.
Preach!!
But they often are and that's the reality.
Matthew Palomino doesn’t make it right
mj j of course it doesn’t but it was a sorry about someone finding out their sexuality. It may not be right but these things do happen.
DontDropFriendsBecauseTheyGotDifferentBeliefs yeah well I don’t care it doesn’t make it right and Mia deserved better
"For a show [...] about gay love, there's not much gay love happening" - "there's too many heterosexual tensions happening right now" everyone felt that
SAY IT LOUUUUDEEERRRRRR !!!!!!!!
You said it best
i can't believe that they spent at least half the time on heterosexual plotlines, especially when they advertised this as a LGBTQ+ show
@@killanelle I wish it was only half the time...
Very much accurate
HIS WHOLE RANT ON STRAIGHT PEOPLE AND ANNIVERSARIES HAD ME DYING LIKE BENJI JUST WANTED A NICE NIGHT 💀💀
I'm glad he dumped his ass. Anniversaries are a beautiful thing for ALL couples.
Honestly I would be that boyfriend, I hate this whole anniversary bullshit
Derek is an a hole
My sister had a boyfriend who refused to get her anything for Valentine's Day or refused to do anything for her on Valentine's Day because he said it was a corporate holiday. It is but you can still get your SO some chocolates on the damn day or make a romantic dinner together. Jfc. It's not that deep.
like how are anniversaries heteronormative???
Benji had a whole boyfriend and was leading VIctor on. He was smoldering at him the whole time, did that cover of “Call Me Maybe” expressly after finding out Victor liked it and was singing to him (on stage), that drawing he did of him at work??? He was clearly sending signals the whole time. The narrative also tells us to hate Derek for him not liking romance or heteronormative trappings of love, when Benji would have KNOWN THAT about him since he’s been dating him for a year. So it’s a problem NOW?!? Why have you been with him this whole time?
Also Mia is a sweet angel and deserves to be happy. Lake treated Felix like crap, she didn’t deserve him and I don’t understand why he liked her.
say it with me: FELIX is the BEST character on this show
yes!!
YES
YASSSS! FELIX AND MYA ARE MY FAVS
yesss
“gays can’t drive. gays.... can’t drive. at all” - trin lovell, 2020
@JusticeFor Alexei gays pick two: driving, math, cooking
@@killanelle math and cooking obviously
@JusticeFor Alexei I don't drive, and I am very glad I'm 27 and don't have to do anything other than basic math in my everyday life lul
@@killanelle I'm the driving and cooking gay. Math eludes me ;_;
@@bubblegumplastic me too dont worry.
"i don't think i believe in straight people either" - trin, our sapphic queen, 2020
Hopeless Romantic shush het
@Hopeless Romantic no
@Hopeless Romantic yes 💖
This is why y'all deserve Homophobia...smh🤦♀️
@@shirbertfandom8731 in what way do we deserve discrimination and blind hatred??
A “stiles stilinski vibe” is the only reason you need for liking a character
I mean... Yeah. You're not wrong!! 🤣
can it just be a rule to not do that whole stereotypical “nerdy guy gets with popular girl who doesn’t deserve him” in shows and movies?? Ever since Stiles and Lydia actually got together, by some miracle, it’s just not it for me.
Right I like him better with Pilar it was more of a chemistry
@@josuealopez3167 Yeah agree with you both Pillar and Felix were SO cute together!!!
Well he gets with Pilar anyway in Season 2. Tbh I feel like they have way more in common. And there's history...she gave him money when his family was struggling.
I really dislike how in a lot of gay/lesbian love stories (at least the ones I've seen and read) the closeted character has a straight character pining for them and they have to end up breaking up with them or hurting them. I feel like this is reinforcing the stereotype of 'you can't be friends with someone of the opposite sex without someone catching feelings' and it's really uncomfortable. I really hope they stop doing that and come up with some other kind of drama without making the lgbtq+ character lie and get into an unhappy relationship with a Heterosexual character.
i personally like when the lgbtq+ character pines for someone they think is straight (they could be in an established hetero relationship or only express interest in the opposite gender). it's more realistic to my experience as a bi person, and i find it really interesting to watch the "straight" character realize their feelings for the lgbtq+ character. i agree, though, if there's going to be a break-up, i want it to be amicable. perhaps have the other person in the relationship lose their feelings for their partner, and they break up because of that? i'm tired of the whole "straight person is upset because their partner/crush turns out to be lgbtq+ and crushing on someone else" trope.
Which makes me wonder if the writers on the team are LGBT, like there’s so many baby gay experiences you could mine for plot that never seem to come up in these shows.
the one series where I didn't really mind that trope was dance academy with Sammy and christian. even though sammy started to like christian, Christian was so accepting and he was the hype man Sammy deserved and I really liked that they kept their friendship if anything it just got better.
it's the same shit with leah and simon in the movie!!! which ruined leah's character smh
I like it, cause that shit actually happens... it happened to a lot of my other gay friends. Not my personal story being gay, but it has happened.
The scene Felix hugged Victor when he came out. To me that was the best scene in the show.
Harper Andrea Felix was the MVP of this show.
@@FreyaEinde Agreeee
It was the best scene
it made me cry 🥺
Harper Andrea I know it was so cuuuute
Trin: idgaf about the parents or any adult in a teen show
Burt Hummel: Am I a joke to you?
lolololololol
Periodddd We stan him
Burt Hummel 😍
love him
yasss! and finn's mom lowkey too
When you said “I don’t think that I believe in straight people either,” I ACTUALLY FELL OUT OF MY CHAIR
a gay could not have written this show. the skaarsgard lookin dude and his boyfriend have no right to be upset about victors request... gays know that sometimes we gotta be straight period
Skaarsgard lookin dude 😂😂😂😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣
Pretty sure most of the writers are LGBT. and the creator is gay.
Gabriel I think he has a producer credit but I see a lot of things where actors will have a producer credit. I don’t know the actual extent of their work on it. I tried to look up who directed it but nothing that said it showed up so I don’t know if the director is lgbt. I think someone said they are in another comment but I don’t remember. Anyway I read an article where the writers were talking about their own experiences so I know they are LGBT at least. And they’re the ones who write it so I’d say that’s the most important place to have representation
Gabriel didnt even get the chance to read my initial comment but I didn’t even say anything about the director? I said the creator is gay because someone else commented that. Not sure if it’s true or not though
I think you mean Skarsgård not skaarsgard also the guy who played Benji is English not Swedish. And the producer of this show is Issac Aptaker and yes it doesn’t say anywhere that he is gay.
I think the Biggest problem for me is that they focused on every character at one point except Benji. He got like one scene with Derek treating him like shit, and the rest was just couple cute moments with Victor. The kid is a whole teenage recovering alcoholic and we only know that due to a throwaway line. All that time they spent shoving Lake and Felix down are throat could have been devoted to Benji, it's so unfortunate.
This!! I was pretty shocked when he revealed that he got into an accident but you more or less forget about it because then victor kisses him in the same scene.
Price Wright Exactly!! Everyone had backstory focus except Benji! That was such a disservice to him because Benji is a great character with a lot of potential... and as Victors crush/love interest you would think we’d get to learn more about him!
I completely agree!! I did really like him in spite of his lack of backstory but that was really just due to his relationship with Victor, I 100% agree that the time given to Felix and Lake should’ve been given to him, or at the very least to Felix getting romantically involved with a guy instead of such a toxic, unlikeable girl
I think they’re gonna talk about him more in s2
i think felix is a great character, just cause you support gay relationships doesn't mean you have to hate on straight ones.
i hope season 2 surprises us and shows victors dad being the supportive one because it would be such a plot twist. because everytime a coming out in a latino family is portrayed the mom is supportive and the dad isn’t. it would also be interesting because we see that victor is a lot closer to his mom.
Good news! In the trailer the dad says something like "I might never understand it but hes my son and that's who he is so I will accept it". It seems like the mom is more homophobic....
supriiiiise
anddddd that’s what you get!! He’s way more better than the mom
your wish came true lol
You hit the JACKPOT!
I wish there was a show like this but for bisexuals since we are under represented especially male bisexuals and there are a lot of stereotypes. Also I saw this show when I was confused and it felt like it said bisexuals aren’t real. If they had a bi side character who wasn’t questioning then it could have lessened the reaction from bi people.
I would recommend skam (season 3). It's not a show with a bi character, but it does have a pan character. It's a norwegian show and the story has some similarities with love, victor. But it's more realistic I guess and the storytelling is amazing!
Magnus Bane from Shadow hunters is bi. Or well at least he established that he's been with women and men. And he is perfectly represented as a loyal boyfriend.
@@mylene4432 Seasons 3 & 4 of Skam are literally the best, I didn't much care about the first 2 seasons to be completely honest because I was only there for Evak, but I agree people should go watch it. Evak forever ❤
i recommend heartstopper for good and healthy bi teen male representation!
i like the show but i hate how he had more kisses and romantic scenes with mia, i hate that he cheated on her, and i hate the fact that they forced felix and lake down our throats, honestly felix has more chemistry with victor than he does with lake
period
I really didn’t like Lake and Felix’s whole dynamic. It was so off putting considering how she treated him. I liked the girl he went to the dance with and then he just left her for Lake
They were trying to make it stiles and lydia and failed
@@eleanorgouldie9355 Stiles and Lydia wasn't all that good in the first place
Felix and Pilar was THE MISSED MOMENT
felix and pilars friendship dynamic is the best thing to exist ever i said what i said
pure of heart dumb of ass himbo + angst ball of teenage misery and despair = great friendship 😌✨
the way lake didn't deserve him. smh
E felix deserves so much better and i will die on this hill
E Homestly was hoping he’d pull out of liking her. I feel like there’s still this narrative of pursue the girl even though she says she doesn’t like you several times, instead of ya know going after somebody who is mutually into you and treats you nice.
@@FreyaEinde yeah and it just feels like she just settled for being with him in the end because she had no other options
It wasn’t until you went “Mia... and Pilar??” and “Andrew... love interest??” did I realize how much straightness is in this show.
Also can we talk about the low-key biphobia of implying the Victor might be bi and then having him cheat on his s/o? And then also having him pick a side! Like I'm tired. I'm bi and I'm tired. Why did the writers have to do that?
THANK YOU I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS THINKING THIS!! Like I said in my comment this may be because Benji did not get enough screen time to warrant thinking otherwise, but Victor and Mia had SO MUCH CHEMISTRY. The trailer made it seem like he was going to end up being bisexual but he didn’t. It just makes me upset because bisexual people deserve to have their stories told too.
Right. When I seen the trailer for the first time i was like he's going to be bi. Then I was like he's bi but he's going to date the girl and then end up with the guy. I didn't even watch it yet tho so i don't know it i was right or not.
I was so excited for more bi and possible pan representation and was so upset!
knowing how Alex Lovestrange went I was like "he's gonna be gay, they almost never give us bi leads" and i was right. it's sad that i always have to measure my expectations so i won't get dissapointed though. and the cheating is a general problem within lgbtq+ rep they should really stop that
he didn’t pick a side, he just realized what his sexuality was. but yeah the cheating was unnecessary
no one:
trin: THAT'S NOT HOW YOU GET MAXIMUM WATER FLOW TO YOUR MOUTH
I read this as soon as she said it 😂
Honestly the point about not outing your relationship in a non safe environment really spoke to me. We all wish we lived in a world where LGBTQ people can walk around and not be afraid of showing off their love. Hell, I wish I could hold my wife’s hand in public all the time. But unfortunately life doesn’t work that way. Your safety comes first. Period.
exactly! that scene irked me so much, bc LGBT people don't get indignant about *not* being outed to bigots!
Thats how i feel all my life. I lived in a muslim country in south asia. Im already 26 but still in a closet cause how dangerous it is for me as a gay man. Even in grindr we got warning to be discreets when open up the apps
@@bosoudang dang man i’m sorry about that
1. I was so annoyed with Pilar in the last episode. Her line about Victor staying "her same Victor" got me so mad. It's like everybody in the family expects Victor to always be their perfect and obedient son, and "fixer-upper". He's growing up and should be allowed room to make mistakes and change.
2. I wish Victor didn't cheat on Mia nor wanted to wait until after the dance to tell her he's gay. Also, is it just me or Benji and Victor don't look like they'd be a great couple. Based on the 1st season I feel like Benji should just be an old crush and a friend to Victor in the 2nd season, but they'll be dating so... *sighs* whatever
Idk I think Benji and Victor could be a good couple but from what I’ve been seeing Benji didn’t have enough development to make him maybe as likable as he probably should have been, hopefully he’ll get more backstory in the second season. Gotta say tho Derek sucks and I think an lot fo the ways Benji acted that were rude were because of his boyfriend at the time because idk I guess sometimes you copy your partner. Idk if that makes sense I just wanted to say something
I feel like, sometimes we have so little LGBT rep that we're overly critical with the few things we got. Love, Victor was never gonna be perfect because Love, Simon wasn't perfect and we can't please everyone. It has so many issues, yes, but I'd rather enjoy that they tried to expand the Creekwood with a latino boy with a very religious family.
yea i totally agree, it’s not perfect but it is a start:))
Steven Universe did a better job than this show Brooklyn Nine-Nine did a better job than this show
@@littlemayo7136 True, also the show "Andi Mack" did better than this show too (at least I thought it did) in terms of lgbt topics (among others)
The family isn’t even super religious in love victor, in season 2 they hardly even care that he’s gay they just act a weird about it , but victor acts like they hate him lol.
@@petetre1013 Tbh I think the problem was that "Love, Victor" (season 1 because I haven't seen the second season yet) wasn't gay ENOUGH. Like it felt mainly 75% straight people's problems with the other 25% being Victor coming to terms with his sexuality (I'm over exaggerating, but you get what I mean?)
This is what annoyed me with Love Simon and now Love Victor, it's like no one understands that you can literally get murdered/beaten up/ostracised for being gay so when Simon does everything he can to not be outed, it makes sense and his friends annoyed me and Victor's love interest is literally gay, he shouldn't get angry at hiding him and his boyfriend's relationship to avoid possibly being verbally abused????
This is a controversial issue that doesn’t really have any real consensus. But I have talked about this issue in real life. And what other people have told me is that they wouldn’t except being told that they can’t be who they are or have to hide who they are just to make other people comfortable. Perhaps that’s what the riders may have been thinking about Benji‘s viewpoint. Benji didn’t want to be told that he hast to go back into the closet. I think in real life, lots of openly gay people in such a situation would not want to be towed or forced back into the closet, they would want to be told about the situation ahead of time and then give them the choice. Perhaps what Victor should have done is told benji about his grand parents and their views on homosexuality, and then gave him the choice of whether or not to show up openly gay or not.
@@EASJR1991 This obviously isn't universal, but as an lgbt person with many lgbt friends, I've never met an lgbt person who would be bothered or offended by something like this. Especially as a kid, you're never fully out, and I feel like all of us understand this. You will always have to protect yourself in certain settings, and honestly I would be way more upset with a friend if they didn't tell me that I was in a potentially dangerous environment than if they did, because then they'd be putting me in a situation where I could be harassed or violated. And especially in this situation where Victor was worried because *he* wasn't out to his family yet, it's even more understandable because he was also trying to protect himself in a potentially dangerous situation -- especially with very traditional families it's not just a matter of disapproval, but possibly physical violence, financial cutoffs or abuse. If anyone told me "hey, my family is very homophobic and traditional so it would be better for you to not say you're bi" there would be no questions asked in my part not only because I don't want to put myself in a situation like that but also because I don't know anyone else's orientation or identity and I don't want to put them in danger, either. And even cishet people are sometimes in danger by associating with lgbt people. You have no way of knowing how your straight friend's family will react to knowing they're friends with you.
I don't think it's a matter of being forced back in the closet because especially at that age pretty much no one is fully out of the closet, and it sucks but it's a reality that we all have to deal with.
also the fact that often the person's own family is the people getting violent when you come out. he had every reason not to want to come out. especially since he knows his family is homophobic.
"i would much rather someone not declare my sexual orientation or my relationship status if its not going to be a safe place for me." EXACTLY.
LGBT people in real life understand the need for discretion, we wouldn't survive without it. And yet gay characters in media always demand to be introduced to homophobes? I guess cause straight writers can't imagine other ways to contrive drama?
The thing that annoyed me about this show was the fact that Mia and Pilar had this deep convo about their shitty family lives when they didn't even really know each other. Do people genuinely talk about things like this with people they've talked to once in their life?
I think Mia would just forcing herself to try and deal with her situation with her mother and tried to do good with but relating to pilar
as a hispanic with a religious family, i really liked this show. and i liked the twist where the mom cheated, but it took the focus off of victor and i don’t know if that was really necessary
Felix deserves better than Lake, there, i said it. Plus, his friendship with Pilar is *chef's kiss* amazing
I really like how the show brings up internalised homophobia. I understand everyone wanted more gay content but I'm kinda happy they touched on that first and hopefully they'll develop relationships next season
Exactly! I feel like everyone is forgetting that this is just the first season? Like you can’t just solve everything in one season, you need to give people/ characters time to grow
👏👏👏
you know they could've done both right? lmfao
Yeah i super agree everyone really focused on the romantic aspect of it but this show seems much more like a coming of age and the plot line surrounding his identity and self-acceptance seems much more important to me. I of course hope he does get a cute live story w someone he actually is attracted to but i feel as though the show is more about him which even though there are subplots (and alot of them) it is really about him.
I'VE BEEN SAYING. But everyone seems to be forgetting that there's a cliffhanger for the season finale for a reason. Season 2 will most likely give us answers
Things I didn’t like about the show:
1. Felix and Lake. Idk who thought it was a good idea to have this straight white girl act pressed about dating another conventionally attractive white person when the rest of the characters were going through it.
2. The cheating. If Victor had kissed Benji in the moment once then it would’ve been okay, but Victor was low-key scheming throughout half the show.
3. I want some bisexuals. The show even had bi colors in the background when Mia and Victor kiss, but they were just tricking us. They also retconned the fact that Simon had a girlfriend just so they could pretend they were doing something new with Victor.
Lake is an entitled arrogant girl that thinks the weird 'nerd' guy is under her dignity
4. zero lesbians,,,
@@alissa33 Absolutely! TV shows will really have you thinking that gay men and gay women are never in the same spaces.
You guys do realise Lake acts that way because of her mother.There was a long Uncomfortable scene with her mom Body shaming her and telling her that her clothes is too ugly and Image is everything.Ofc she would act that way.Doesn't excuse Blake's actions but people seem to forget that.
@@strawburryjamz2974 Literally everybody remembers that. But literally every character had parental troubles and none of them acted as shitty as she did. Also I think it's very tone deaf to spend a TON of time on a straight white couple and act as if they can't "come out" when the show was marketed as being LGBTQ centric.
“Are mia and Pilar gonna get together?” OMG I WISH
Mia has Pilar, I got pillow
I agree that the series has a lot of plot going on at the same time, and I feel like they focused TOO MUCH in Mia's trauma and his family "cheating" and not so much in Victor's story. And in the end they rushed the romance between him and Benji, they didn't developed as much as they could.
any interaction between two girls: ...
trin: i hope they get together
ngl, when i saw the trailer i thought victor was bi and I'm sad that he's not
Why did they put the bi flag colors so much?!?!
I felt like those shippers they see "clues" that their ship is gonna be canon in the backround just bc of the colors of their characters lol
Anyway, we need more bi guy rep, pls and thank you.
I think there is bi male rep butttt they almost always end up.with girls so it ends up being a hetero relationship.
@@ccdiez8326 yea which it's ok but I hate the fact that it's always they get with a girl yk there's more bi female reps but at the same time there's barely reps if bisexual and pansexual every story is about gay males and it's annoying now and they don't even represent them good well some
I thought Lake was gonna be the bi rep-
@@ccdiez8326 agreed... like they always are with girls. As a bisexual male I fucking hate when bisexual men in show or movies only end up with girls... like... we as bisexuals like men, women, and non-binary people... there are many options to show much more like... bruh... either way I think we need some more mlm rep that does have bisexual men, or even just mlm relationships are that aren’t so fucking streotypical
@@hollie5099 SEASON 2 FINALE UM
the way felix has more chemistry with literally ANY character besides lake ...... the WAY this series showed more of victor and mia than victor and benji..... i just .. 😐 idk who made this but it all seems very hetero. i feel like the gay pining could’ve been better
Like in what universe would Felix not be pulling mad girls though, this show made no sense.
it’s gay media for straight people
@@g3mstone19 THATS IT!! i was wondering why it felt so off: it wasnt meant for us, it was meant for the Allies.
@@g3mstone19 yeah because it was originally made to go on Disney plus so they had to water it down but they changed their minds
Also, it would've been great if Victor could've had a non-white love interest? Benji is an underwritten character, period, but it rubs me the wrong way that Victor's sense of self as a gay kid is shaped almost entirely by two white guys (Simon and Benji . . Bram was around for two minutes.)
A message to all my gay peeps over here: if your friend is trying to protect you (and THEMSELVES) from homophobic attacks please be considerate and try to be patient. Everyone has the right to come out when they want.
trin: he’s a bully he’s not the love interest
*laughs in glee*
Oh god lmao
I liked that while victor was finding himself and experiencing everything he didn’t acknowledge that he was gay vocally until the end. I liked how they showed how people can struggle with acknowledging that as well as struggling to find a way to tell others.
Thank you! finally someone down here giving credit since most of the comments are just complaining about how they "cant trust Victor" or hate how media doesnt understand gays. I as a gay can say that Season 1 and 2 depict so much of how gay people feel and yes there is a lot of drama, but why do people cry about "too much straightness" like wtf, do they want to have the entire movie be just centered around gay romance and blurring out straight people? hell no. Gay and straight and everything else on the spectrum of sexuality has a place to be.
*you going in on the mom for asking her son for help even though it was his birthday*
Me, from a Mexican household: do i tell her this is a normal everyday occurrence or....
but nah fr this a lot of the things the parents did like making them lw take A LOT of responsibility that they shouldn't have is very normal in most mexican households
Trin's unfailing support for the sapphics of the world is so incredible and I'm here for it
some of the acting in the show made me very ✨ U N C O M F Y ✨
"Billie Eilish is devil music... Uhmmm those ocean eyes"-Trin😂😂😂❤️
okay being outted as a couple in a place with strangers and getting homophobic comments is literally my worse nightmare. it's so weird that the show made it seem like gays rly out here proclaiming that we're gay everywhere and making straights uncomfortable....like...i never want to make a scene and i would really appreciate if my friend let be know beforehand who's homophobic or not bc i need that list, i need to know who to avoid and who i cant mention my sexuality around, i need to know that the ppl around me care enough to warn me before i walk into the lions den. this show...could've been so good bu there's just too many weird and straight shit.
One time a girl was being homophobic on my bus so the next day I sat beside her and hit on her. I even put my arm around her and she was flustered as hell. Then it turns out where sat that day means that's your bus seat for the rest of the year. That was a very fun year
I'm not gonna pretend to be straight for ANYONE. I dealt with that stupid closet, not doing it again.
@@modernworld9239 thats ur story but id rather not get jumped for being gay if i can avoid it. stayin in the closet isnt often a choice for many, but the only option for their own survival.
Idk i understand in some places ita very dangerous but im ftom a homophobic country and i rlly just surround myself with accept or lgbt ppl and i also go to spaces i know ill be safe. Ive had to turn down going to places i wasn't comfortable at just for my safety many times.
I really didn`t like Felix and Lake, she was embarassed of being with him for like half of the season and their characters don`t really go together. I`d rather have a whole Wattpad storyline when Felix ends up with Andrew tbh 🤣
yessss
I was hoping they were hinting for him to be with Pilar, but also yessss. Anything is better than that dynamic.
I saw on the trailer like Felix feeding Andrew I thought they were a couple,I was so disappointed.
Honestly Andrew looked liked he's ten years older than the rest of the Creekwood cast it made me kinda uncomfortable. Felix was really cute throughout tho (it is the Stilinski vibe)
when she said “we don’t like a self-sabotaging protagonist” i immediately thought of elle in the kissing booth 1 & 2 oops
"Simon is... gay Jesus"
when I tell you I *died*
I'm here for that Stiles Stilinski vibe
Edit: nvm I'm here for maximum water flow to the mouth
They tried to make Lake like Lydia. And I hate them both more Lydia
@@evelynjuarez9749 lame
@@evelynjuarez9749 Lydia Martin is an *icon*
i likes the show and i loved victor and felixs friendship but i didn’t really like how the straight plot lines kinda overshadowed victor’s
They. Always. Do. 😑
Sofia Abee once again sex education wins 🥰
Siddiq Smouse imagine getting media for us that was actually about us
Sofia Abee i was warmed that the straight plot lines overpowered but OH MY GOD it was so much i- i’m specifically not here for straight characters
It will be more scenes for victor n benji next season since he came out on final episode. S1 is just him finding out himself, and show us the gays, and the allies our experiences with finding our real self. Cause not everyone have this experience, even the gays. Some gays just knew it even without experimenting, and their parents accept them. And some gays like me, have to experiment ourselves, have to accept ourselves, not hating ourselves being gay. And some parents didnt accept them. And if they just do this show, everything like experimenting, found out, coming out, dating gays, accepting in 1 season, people that never have this experience cant feel it and understand what its like. also, it will be a mess like Love, Simon did, it seems very rushed. This show very related to me, and i cried in some scenes cause its very related to me, i just hope 1 day i have the courage to come out to my parents like victor did in the last episode ❤
The whole show I was screening for Victor to break up with Mia before he kisses someone else and when Benji and Victor kissed I couldnt enjoy it cause I was like "oh no Mia... Bb no"
Same tbh
ahhh right like i love mia i feel so bad
exactly i thought throughout the show he was selfish and even into this next season as well
@@royal9588 honestly the moral of season 2 is don’t trust Viktor
@@krau2880 i don't get it. I really enjoyed watching both seasons (i didnt have to wait in between) since they reflect reality .i agree that things like nerdy guy popular girl arent neccessary but i really hate how so many people are hating on Victor. He is going thorugh struggle with his sexuality, including the mental aspect, struggle to trust family, the thing between his parents, the struggle with his parents religion. As i said i really enjoyed it, I saw so many aspects of what i used to be or what i went through
Trin: that was a friendship kiss
My mind: "sisters?" "We're close."
I’m going to be really honest, I thought the show was going to be more about sexual fluidity, being bisexual, or pansexual, and not him dating Mia then saying “No, I never loved her like that/in that way” in the end. It seemed as though they built him up to be a bisexual, or pansexual, character only for him to come out as gay in the end. It’s kind of cliche. Why not have a bisexual or pansexual character? I wanted something new.
The only reason Victor seemed to have fallen in love with Benji with what seems like “love at first sight” was because of his looks and because he was gay, which didn’t seem organic or healthy to me. I didn’t like his character as much either, they just don’t seem endgame to me.
I don’t know why, but the character Andrew kind of seemed meaningless to me. Maybe he’ll be bisexual? They kind of threw very small hints, and I may be really reaching.
Perhaps we’ll see more in the next season. I really hope they cast more actual LGBTQ+ actors.
@Ami Oropeza absolutely, of course they do. but i also think it’s understandable why other people in the lgbt community who /aren’t/ gay men would get frustrated bc (mostly white) gay men have had just about the most representation in the community since the community has been more accepted by mainstream media. where’s our male bisexual romcom protagonists or trans lesbian protagonists? they exist, but few and far between. and most of them are just in dramas, not in fun quirky romcom style movie/shows. i just think the media needs to branch out just a little more so that /everyone/ gets to see themselves and feel seen by pop-culture.
@@ruledbyvenusss i agree that we need more representation of LGBTQ+ people, but isn't the whole point of the show that he was gay.
P.S. I don't mean to sound rude if that's how this came across
@@solo_product357 the point of the show is to tell the story of someone coming to terms with their sexuality. this could have gone in a million different directions and they chose this one. it is what it is, and i’m not saying it’s bad that they made him gay, i’m just saying, i get why people were disappointed bc a lot of the teasers and trailers made it seem like he *might* just represent someone with a more fluid sexuality who is figuring shit out- and that’s not what people got. that’s it, just a little disappointing since we’ve kinda seen this story a million times before, it’s not very groundbreaking
@@ruledbyvenusss oh ok 👌
There’s already a lot of “queer stories” about bisexuality and fluidity. In fact, most are about that. They just don’t make it on the nose. However, it’s a difficult complaint because a lot of people do just do what others expect of them in their youth. Also, fluidity and bisexuality are complicated topics. Someone may experience some fluidity or bisexuality and still ultimately few that they’re “gay” or “straight”. The series itself is pretty much very young people and is super basic in every way.
pilar and mia is the lesbian love story we deserve
mia is terrible, pilar and lake all the way bb
eziraphale how is Mia terrible?
eziraphale what?? i like mia
Adina P like when she just immediately hated Brooke (new step mom, forgot her name, only know her from one tree hill) and how she acted around Lake when she thought she was hooking up with Andrew, she was just always mad and it seemed like there wasn’t any valid reasoning. Writers just wanted an angry character for some reason?
A Fiya why whenever there is a Black female character on a show and she shows any type of emotions she’s just the angry character? I swear this happens in any fandom I’m in. Mia was justified in feeling the way she did all season.
dude I got HEATED when benji and his boyfriend were so mad that Victor wanted them to not be open with his HOMOPHOBIC grandpa, I dont think a single gay person would be offended by that?? Like even gay people who are out still understand that sometimes its unsafe for them self or others around them to come out to someone new, it just feels like someone het wrote that plot line and its infuriating
when benji's bf said "sorry. i don't believe in the passage of time" i felt that
Maybe I’m alone on this, but I love having so many different storylines and character plots. It makes it more of an ensemble show and then you know why each character does each action they do. I do agree tho that Victor’s story should’ve had more spotlight.
agree w u
i agree with you 100%
I also liked that it was a reason why victor couldn't come out yet. It was realistic he didn't wanna come out bc he grew up in a role where he was always ok and helping others instead of focusing on himself.
I agree. I think season 1 was meant to give us an background for season 2(which I hope wont have to wait for long). Season 1 was just a mess of literally everyone's relationship except the one between Victor's and Benji. Season 2 should definitely be about how Victor and Benji's relationship could affect all the other characters. I think alot of ppl just expected more of Victor's gay relationship which didnt really happen until the last episode.
i agree 100%. this whole season victor was coming to terms with who he is and the show does a good job of showing the external barriers of he faced while doing so. i like knowing the reasons why characters do what they do and it’s easier to understand that when the show builds up other characters and not just the main one.
I'm 100% positive the writers have no idea where Atlanta is
E X A C T L Y
yea i was thinking the same thing, hes from Texas i believe and moves to Georgia, yet they keep commenting on how they "moved across the country" since i don't remember where in Texas they lived I'm just gonna assume like Austin. they would only pass through 3 states (excluding Texas and Georgia) and last time i checked there are 50 states, and 3 is only 6% of the united states so someone didn't take 7th grade history
I am majestic geography*
Also should definitely have way more black people if it’s Atlanta.
Atlanta is actually a pretty liberal city, i think it's just our perspective of the south to be conservative, but most big cities tend to be liberal !
Love victor was amazing, but I truly do believe that they pushed a lot of “straight” relationships in this. I kinda wanted to see more of lesbian action or another gay character. But then we got lake and Felix, then Andrew and Mia, Mia And Victor, like come on I didn’t ask for that. And truly I didn’t care much about the parents storyline, we were focusing on Victors way on figuring his sexuality not the parents relationship.
Benji's boyfriend looks like shane dawson
the fact that there were more heterosexual storylines than lgbt ones and they went with the 'gay protagonist cheating on their girlfriend' plot and then also had a side plot where the mom cheats on the dad for no apparent reason made this show kind of questionable ngl.
Yeah, I thought we left these narratives in the 2000s. We're sick of seeing the same cliches for years, then comes this nee show with a promising premise, only to fall to the same harmful narratives
Well it’s a show and not every character is lgbtq they want to show all the characters in depth so they have drama like with the parents. Also the mom cheating leads to the divorce with greatly effects victor so it makes sense. I was also fine with the girlfriend because it was realistic to try and deny being gay cause I can relate. I just hated that they made him cheat at the hotel
@@frenchfries2998 💯💯
And them moving to Atlanta is basically based on the mom cheating
The bisexual fishing....
I feel like this would’ve been soooo much better if Benji and Victor didn’t end up together. This is Victor’s first time meeting another gay boy his age, it’s natural that he’d immediately gravitate to him as a love interest but that doesn’t mean it’s actually a good relationship. It should have ended with Benji letting him down gently so Victor could find a boy that he actually loves and loves him back and can have a good, healthy relationship with, not just with the first gay guy he meets
YESS THANK YOU that's where I thought they were going but apparently this show loves cliches
That would've been a great ending.
@ACourtofSlytherinBooks no, you're totally right! I really just meant it more in the fact that it probably won't be a very long-lasting relationship. I was mostly speaking from personal experience since my first crush on a girl was just bc she was hot and i thought she might've been gay, which made me feel safe and seen (she wasn't lol) but i know for a fact that if she was and we had dated, it wouldn't be a great relationship bc it was based just on attraction and curiosity rather than emotional connection which is how i view Benji and Victor's relationship. i still strongly believe the shouldn't have ended up together at the end of the 1st season but that doesn't mean they aren't a good match. I think they would just need to spend more time together and get to know each other more rather than jumping into a relationship. But yes, you are 100% right there was other attraction there, i just didn't think it was enough basis for a relationship, i probably could've expressed that better originally lmao. thanks for expressing that!
@ACourtofSlytherinBooks oh no you're completely right, but the fact that Benji was already in a relationship and he really did not know him that well kind of makes it weird that this was end game
@ACourtofSlytherinBooks like we all know in real life we have crushes on how we see them and little things they know without actually knowing somebody and it felt like this is how Victor and Benji was. They were just becoming good friends then they jumped right into dating that doesn't seem like it would last outside of shows.
It feels like they would have developed their relationship better if they were straight (actually then literally do when you compare them to the other side couples)
I honestly wouldve liked to see Felix and Victor together than who they both ended up with
Exactly
same
i love how every with single girl character youre like "yeah, but what if she had a girlfriend?" read my mind
I was hoping they would make him bisexual instead of the stereotypical cheater but I guess not 👁👄👁
No I like him gay. People were starting to think lake is bi though 🤔
@@user-gc9rw8fi6g how, that makes zero sense. next we are gonna start thinking felix is bi
Dylan Leff Lol what.
@@dylanleff373 why not
Peach Queen i just think that we shouldn’t change a characters sexuality after a season without any hints.
i definitely think the reason why there was a lot more het couple/content is because it was made by disney. I hope and believe that if they bring out a season 2 that it will be able to branch out a lot more with it being purely made for hulu.
Isn’t it a hulu original?
@@ICCRE it was meant to be on Disney plus, but they passed it to Hulu because it was not family friendly according to them, which is bs
ZV V it is now but it was originally made for disney +, they gave it to hulu (owned by disney) because they felt like it was too “mature” for disney 🙄 but im kinda glad it’s on hulu now because we all know it wouldnt last long on disney.
Anyanka Plus they can do more with Hulu. Disney is way too PC, even when they do have a gay couple.
I can't believe I got so hyped up for gay tv show, especially in the Love, Simon universe and it ended up being mostly a straight love story. Every episode I found myself caring less and less about the characters and more about if their was going to be enough lgbt content to satisfy me. Maybe one sapphic relationship, even minor. Every single scene with Mia and Victor made me cringe and I thought the relationship would've ended in like the first few episodes. It kept going because Victor didn't have a good enough reason to break up with her, she was perfect and coupled with the fact that he didn't know his sexuality it made him even more confused. The fact that he was even messaging Simon in the first place pretty much confirmed the fact that he liked boys, especially being attracted to Benji before knowing he was gay, not wanting to kiss Mia. If he was gonna play that dumb to not realizing he wasn't attracted to Mia, then they should've made the signs less obvious so that the audience could understand his confusion more. Instead the only thing that I cared about throughout the whole show was when he was going to break up with Mia and stop torturing her.
But I do find it funny that nobody in his family suspected anything about him being gay, when he literally made a dance to Call me Maybe as a child.
Lmao. 💀
yeah you are actually right. There were so many straight relationships shoved down our throats that at about episode 5 or 6 I was like:"am I watching a straight teen drama or what?"
SORRY ABOUT THE BACKGROUND MUSIC IN THE INTRO!!! there’s no background music for the rest of the commentary! if you can’t hear well i’d recommend watching it with headphones on a low volume, it’s the clearest you can get the audio !
It’s ok Queen 👑
We live and learn, no worries ❤
pleaaase react to skam
@Trin Lovell Pls do a reaction to euphoria!!!
Please, Trin, react to Ever After a Cinderella Story, or make a steam!
It angered me SO much how much they pressured Victor into having sex with Mia, and treated it as if it that was the reason their relationship was failing. Like, even if he was straight that would still be SO wrong, and so coercive and they just gloss over it as if it's only bad for him because he's gay and so isn't aroused by her. UGH
Mia was toxic tbh I had a love hate relationship with her character
Nate Valverde THANK YOU SHE WAS SO SELFISH
djrhehe ehebeh I get her life was rough and everything but god damn she needed to stop
Tea, if they delved more into that, there could've been development for victor and mia, plus felix and lake but alas, we aren't the writers.
That's pretty realistic to high schoolers though but you're right what if he was just nervous
“not saying i have a girlfriend rn” ok.. well do u want one? i’m right here. 😼
As a homosexual I will say...I CAN DRIVE.
*gasp*
......sounds fake bro
@@abpg66 It’s true! I concentrated real hard and it worked!
No need to rub it in our faces Mary 😑
BRO 50 MINS OF TRIN?? WE ARE BEING FED🙈🙈
There was a cruel lack of sapphics in this show
Oh my god the “woah you don’t have pants on brother” cracked me up
the amount of serotonin that felix gives me☺️
The someone coming out at school making a difference is so true. I was the first person to come out at school (well, I was outed but anyway) and so many people came up to my months after to thank me because it made them feel brave enough to come out themselves. Representation and seeing yourself in others makes a difference
And to be fair Simon was outed too, and he also had an impact on the people at his school
I was also the first one to come out at my school (well, me and my girlfriend actually)
I asked her to be my girlfriend in front of the WHOLE SCHOOL (it wasn't planned, lol) and everyone was hugging us, thanking us, and that kept on happening for the WHOLE year
It felt pretty great being the gay icon
I will say this, they could've made Victor bisexual and it would've been a more interesting story that made a bit more sense since he spends the whole season with Mia and I also think that it plays it very safe so still don't understand why it was moved from disney+ being on hulu makes it a bit pre-teeny. I hope next season makes it a bit more mature since hulu is a bit more mature with it's content. Although it has very good moments when it comes to a latin family dinamic I think it was nice (I'm latino so i think it was an accurate portrayal to some extent) and it also has an few other good things. Felix is still the best character.
I think you mean Victor not Simon
Victor experiences compulsory heterosexuality for most of the first season and that’s why he dates Mia.
Yea I was hoping they were gonna make victor bi cuz it was making it really interesting him figuring it out. Still like how s1 ended.
Also i don't if anyone else noticed this, but remember that line where Simon said, "I didn't have a girlfriend, but Bram did." It just doesn't make sense. In the movie they explicitly stated that he had had multiple girlfriends but it didn't work out. The even had multiple scenes dedicated to one of the girlfriends and how she was worried that he dated her because she looked like a boy. Also, of course in the book they talk about him dating girls too. Never mentioned with Bram. They should at least stay canon to the story.
im bi, so i also wish bisexuality were an option for fictional characters. however, i liked that they included victor questioning and trying to figure out what he felt for mia, bc that's a process a lot of gay people go through and questioning teens need to know that.
That being said, they could have made Victor bi and kept a lot of the same story beats they used. He could try to make it work with mia, bc it'd be socially easier, but still not be able to deal eith his feelings for Benji, which would result in the same kind of guilt and avoidance--even more so bc he'd convince himself he could just ignore his gay crushes and focus on his straight ones. Which would begin to eat away at him.
why is no one talking about how KATYA from "uhhhh" and drag race made a cameo?!
THANK YOU, I’ve seen no one mention it. I fucking gasped
I JUST MADE A COMMENT ABOUT IT..... my heart literally just imploded when she came on screen
Thank you! I was wondering the same thing
I was so happy to see her 😂
Love how you put uhhh before drag race!
literally felix and victor ending up together is the only option
Trin: There are lots of individual plotlines.
Me who watched several Korean, Turkish, Japanese dramas:👁️👄👁️
Dark: 👁👁👄👁👁
Telenovelas
omg am I the only on that wants trin to react to some dramas 👀 maybe like crash landing on you or love alarm 👀
Yeah, but those are so long that it makes sense that you have different storylines to fill up some space. This one didn't need so many in my opinion.
@@natashadarko3066 Now I can only imagine Trin reacting to Juliantina and be as confused as the rest of the people who hadn't watched telenovelas and were fan-pressured into watching it 😂😂😂
im just wondering why this show didnt have a single main female character be sapphic like girl we know pilar's boyfriend was comphet and she's a whole lesbian just say it
Also Mia and li
EXACTLY! Pilar is totally gay
Shows seem to be afraid to make more than one character gay. Which is weird considering we all run in packs together.
LMAOOO ikr shes so gay
loxer lies, have you seen Thirteen Reasons Why?
Omg the ✨gay basketball✨should not have been as funny as it was💀💀
"For legal reasons, that was a joke." had me dying
I feel like the writers really balanced everyone’s plot lines well, I like that everyone had their own problems and were not just side characters who disappear and reappear whenever the plot needed them too. I liked some storylines more than others but i enjoyed it overall.
Also I liked how it was just another teen romance show that just so happens to focus on gay characters. They weren’t trying to be this big grand gay adventure they were just telling a familiar story from the view of a character who isnt like the rest.
ABSOLUTELY It was so enjoyable and they did a good job with just ten episodes to cover all the characters
Roderick Furlow same! you took the thoughts out of my head. the plots with Victor’s parents and all his friends’ plots and stories fleshed them out and made them real people and not just characters to pad Victor’s story. i didn’t love all the details or every side plot but i did enjoy getting to know all the characters and their backstories and trauma and the reasons why they are the way they are
I did too! There was never a time when I was dreading visiting a character they were all fun
YESSS
You put it perfectly with “self-sabotaging protagonists”, sums up the latter part of the series
Let’s be real Felix is the best friend we all want 🤣😂
I like how they introduced the vice principal in the first episode but then she was never seen or mentioned again. Also they never mentioned the scene when victor and his sister found that guy waiting for their mom and he said he knew him. Plot holes? I think so
the booing scene evokes THE MOST princess bride booing scene energy ever, they just parallel on another level...
This show would've served if instead of villainizing the black boy, they made him bisexual and had him in a love triangle with Victor and Benji.
Would've lived for that!!
Omg could you imagine
Very that
I think that’s gonna happen
That would be interesting but they didn't villanize andrew they set him up to develop into a not so bad guy
I know Trin doesn't take recommendations but after this reaction I feel like she would enjoy watching One Day at a Time (which i think she hasn't reacted to yet, i might be wrong tho) but I feel like it's time for the wlw representation😔✊
“Gays can’t drive... *Gays can’t drive at all*”
Simon: am I a heterosexual to you 👁👄👁