I tried it early on and was underwhelmed. I've been rolling frost since and have no complaints but i'll try fire again after i can get crit up to at least 40%.
Fire to me is kind of the most interesting. I guess because I played Dota 2, so I made a void Elf mage and I love the meteor in Invoker so I want to do massive damage with flames. I saw a guy recently teaming up in arenas with a rogue and hitting like a train. It feels good how the rogue kept him in check and he had all the time in the world to throw those heavy spells
That blood elf is looking so good. Still can't decide between troll male and blood elf female. I'm gonna stick to troll for now but geez does that blood elf look good and magey AF as well.
I really love your videos, they are always so nicely structured, concise and informative. If my economy allowed it, I'd definitely support you on Patreon. Are you going to publish such guides for all classes?
tbh you should never macro cancel block and cancel invis into a macro with the spell to activate itself. i highly recommend a cancelaura macro standalone, or atleast into fireball, if you choose to do so
Hey good videos, I just watched Frost, Arcane and now this and I agree with most stuff. One question: Why do you recommend to have Mastery enchanted on your rings, when Crit is better?
I think I messed that one up, it kinda just depends on what you sim, I think I must have gotten different results at different times and mix them up. SO just enchant whatever is your highest simmed stat, you often find fire mages with enchanted rings all over the place. Crit is a nice way to go if you don't want to be always changing enchants.
Confusing with the stats since simming says Crit is the absolute worst of the stats though personally have always though of crit as the best. The whole what stats are the best is really wishy washy atm.
A big reason crits have lost value is due to the loss of the artifact weapons, one of the traits gave 2% stacking critical damage for every consecutive crit in a row. Losing that has significantly devalued crit on fire mages at the moment, and also makes Kindling worse for a talent choice.
Noob question: At about 05:30, you suggest Flame On over Phoenix Flames, but wouldn't Phoenix flames give you *2x Flamestrike + 3x Phoenix charges = 5 guaranteed crit spellscasts?*
Yes, but a few reasons as to why it's not as good, firstly Phoenix Flames has a 30 second cooldown per charge, so it's really only useful in Combustion and when it is close to capping on all 3 charges, and also, unlike Fire Blast, it cannot be cast while casting another spell, and is affected by the global cooldown. Flame On simply gives more consistent Hot Streak procs over the course of a fight and is more versatile
More than anything the reason to not use phoenix flames is the travel time. Fireblast is awesome not because of casting during another spell but because its instant crit. Allowing it to generate a proc way before the other spell hits to proc. Phoenix flame just slows you down and feels really weird in the chain. On its own sure, but not during this big burst combo playstyle
the only talent pick i dont agree with is the Phoenix strike, it adds 3 extra crit instead on only 1 allowing you to proc more often, is my opinion, just not sure how the other pick works out better
flame on works out better because pheonix flames have a longer cd, once you use them charges that is. Where as flame on is more consistent, because you know you will have your charges ready for the next combustion window outside of the opener.
but that's for like single target, I think pheonix flames is better for mythic + /dungeons due to its cleave and it be able to generate your flamestrikes quicker and generate a bigger ignite tick for faster mob clearing.
Thanks mate , and be aware that you said in the beginning of the Vid also that as fire mage you will need lots of crits , and thats what confused me tbh
hhmm..., fair enough ,, this expansion is driving me nuts tbh , its like you will need to forget all the standards that you know and forge new ones , meh !
Second rune you use after your first one drops off and combust ends. After that look at the CD time of combust and make sure you have a rune come up when that comes off CD. Other than that you can try and pop it every time meteor comes of CD (iirc the cd comes out to every other Meteor gets a rune).
Feida and people wonder why fire is at the same level as boomkin druids now cus retards stack mastery and think its good when it isnt mastery doesent give fire the burst it revolves around
fire is shit the only spell that does any damage in PVP is enhanced pyro,you can basically hit most other classes with a chain of instant pyros as long as you like but their health does nothing even with 350+ gear and 40%+ crit so basically all you can do in pvp is try to get some enhanced pyro's off before some DK kills you in 3 seconds fire locks you stunns you and kills you in 3 seconds,so basically fire mage is utterly usless 1v1 in PVP because every other class has higher DPS now or heals faster then you can get their health down..........all the more reason to quit WOW if fire mage is your main because grinding rep and daily quests is BS the dungeons and raids drop junk gear that only leaves PVP..........
Stop your saying Fire isnt performing high when it IS. All classes are at least 1-2% of each other in damage atm. Its perming side by side with arcane and frost. Depends on how the player is at his rotation and if hes geared correctly. Fire is VERY good with like you said if you have nothing but crit on your gear. I have 37% crit and literally sustain 11k-13k dps with 23K opener burst at 345 ilvl. Any class/spec is viable atm as long as you gear properly to the specs stats weights. You also should be running pytoclasm yeah you arent a good fire mage #NEXT
Fire is not within 1-2%, my arcane pulls 12k on sim (5 min PW), frost 11.3k, and fire is down at 10k. This is the case for everybody. Don't take dungeon bosses as your damage, it is irrelevant. It had a slight viability with duplicative stacking, then that got nerfed. Pyroclasm falls short because of low haste and crit values, meteor is pulling the highest atm.
Yeah I don’t agree with the way he played the spec. I’ve had the total opposite effect where my arcane and frost feel pretty boring and lacking. Where as fire this time around with roughly 40% crit and dropping the right rotations literally nukes mobs into another realm. So far no one has complained about my spec choice in dung. And a lot of mages in my guild are also running fire. Hope it comes out on top as an overall.
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Wow, I'm a Fire mage for life and to see you dropped this vid the second i hop on youtube is crazy! Ty my brotha!
I really enjoy these videos. It's much easier to follow than reading a word wall on icy veins. Especially for Arcane Mage.
"Fire is not performing so hot".... subscribed
Thank you for the guide - it is very well made and very easy to follow your explanations. Major kudos!
Talent bit and rotation helped me out a lot. Went from 30k crits to 111k when I realized about the combustion + comet thing. Thanks! ^^
What are you talking about cause I wanna know! 111k crit
111k? what game are you playing?
Man I love your UI! And your vids of course! Keep up your amazing work dude!
I tried it early on and was underwhelmed. I've been rolling frost since and have no complaints but i'll try fire again after i can get crit up to at least 40%.
great video brother! subbed!
amazing explanation!
Fire to me is kind of the most interesting. I guess because I played Dota 2, so I made a void Elf mage and I love the meteor in Invoker so I want to do massive damage with flames. I saw a guy recently teaming up in arenas with a rogue and hitting like a train. It feels good how the rogue kept him in check and he had all the time in the world to throw those heavy spells
great guide!
Really great guide!!! even for a not english speaking person like me. Good luck with your other videos and heating up!
That blood elf is looking so good. Still can't decide between troll male and blood elf female. I'm gonna stick to troll for now but geez does that blood elf look good and magey AF as well.
Great video man! :D Can´t wait for your Arcane video! :-D :-)
Just awesome! You are the best Selwen.
May I ask approximately when is Mistweaver monk coming?
fire always preforms bad start of expansion. just how it is til you get the right gear and for bfa the right traits
I really love your videos, they are always so nicely structured, concise and informative. If my economy allowed it, I'd definitely support you on Patreon. Are you going to publish such guides for all classes?
Thanks! - That's the plan if I can do it :))
Take a shot for every non-intended pun that's mentioned in this video.
;)
Great video, do you plan to do an updated video for 8.1.5?
Pls post your full addons especially your weak aura settings.
Crit is actually the worst stat right now lol, which is so weird.
i thought this but he made me second guess myself
I thought that was fairly obvious, considering you have naturally high crit. Why would it be a good stat, when you get so much for free?
Nice video can you post your elvui setup here pls ?
tbh you should never macro cancel block and cancel invis into a macro with the spell to activate itself.
i highly recommend a cancelaura macro standalone, or atleast into fireball, if you choose to do so
What add on do you use for your health bar and casting bar?
Hey man love your content! Will you be doing DPS guides for all classes?
Not sure yet, for now doing on the main classes am playing, after will see if I have the mindset to go through them all like in Legion :p
Ok dude that’s fair enough, would personally love to see them all but if not still enjoy the rest :)
Hey good videos, I just watched Frost, Arcane and now this and I agree with most stuff. One question: Why do you recommend to have Mastery enchanted on your rings, when Crit is better?
I think I messed that one up, it kinda just depends on what you sim, I think I must have gotten different results at different times and mix them up. SO just enchant whatever is your highest simmed stat, you often find fire mages with enchanted rings all over the place. Crit is a nice way to go if you don't want to be always changing enchants.
Confusing with the stats since simming says Crit is the absolute worst of the stats though personally have always though of crit as the best.
The whole what stats are the best is really wishy washy atm.
It is indeed mate, that's why I always suggest to sim.
A big reason crits have lost value is due to the loss of the artifact weapons, one of the traits gave 2% stacking critical damage for every consecutive crit in a row. Losing that has significantly devalued crit on fire mages at the moment, and also makes Kindling worse for a talent choice.
#JustAddHaste
Noob question:
At about 05:30, you suggest Flame On over Phoenix Flames, but wouldn't Phoenix flames give you *2x Flamestrike + 3x Phoenix charges = 5 guaranteed crit spellscasts?*
Yes, but a few reasons as to why it's not as good, firstly Phoenix Flames has a 30 second cooldown per charge, so it's really only useful in Combustion and when it is close to capping on all 3 charges, and also, unlike Fire Blast, it cannot be cast while casting another spell, and is affected by the global cooldown. Flame On simply gives more consistent Hot Streak procs over the course of a fight and is more versatile
More than anything the reason to not use phoenix flames is the travel time. Fireblast is awesome not because of casting during another spell but because its instant crit. Allowing it to generate a proc way before the other spell hits to proc. Phoenix flame just slows you down and feels really weird in the chain. On its own sure, but not during this big burst combo playstyle
Thanks both.
the only talent pick i dont agree with is the Phoenix strike, it adds 3 extra crit instead on only 1 allowing you to proc more often, is my opinion, just not sure how the other pick works out better
flame on works out better because pheonix flames have a longer cd, once you use them charges that is. Where as flame on is more consistent, because you know you will have your charges ready for the next combustion window outside of the opener.
but that's for like single target, I think pheonix flames is better for mythic + /dungeons due to its cleave and it be able to generate your flamestrikes quicker and generate a bigger ignite tick for faster mob clearing.
Also think that you get way more out of combustion using phoenix flames. All the damage comes from combustion, so I like to use kindling aswell
will you make for arcane aswell?
All addons list plz
Do you have an up to date Outlaw Guide?
which is the addon you use for the spell bar and the addon showing the coldowns?
Weakauras. Then head over to wago.io and get the luxthos import pack for mages
You have an awesome voice, you sound like Christoph Waltz playing WOW. Also very nice guide man.
Can you upload your UI information so i can import it to elvui please? Thanks! (not the weakauras)
Good day to you, sir. Nice video. Could you please share what's the addon you use in the center of your screen, will appreciate that. Have a nice day!
That's Weakauras addons, if you check the addon video on my channel, it will explain how to use them.
That is amazing, thank you so much. Will dig into addon stuff now to setup it for myself
great video! can you share you UI settings?
Description :)
Not sure m8, believe you need omnicc for some weakauras to look decent.
I *really* wanna play with pyroclasm. I think its cool af but im afraid im gonna get kicked out of the raid...
i want that tranmog, any links to it?
Is your Interface available ?
How does he make his ui look like that
Can u link ur Weakaura pls
Hey. what is the name of the addon that shows the charges of a Fire Blast?
Snare P it’s a weak aura
Whats the name of the UI?
They will probably give Fire more passiv crit - as you pointed out the moment to moment gameplay at low crit rates is just awful.
transmog link pls
Fire pve not as good as frost but warmode and pvp fire mage is soooo fun
Amen
Isn't it supposed to be Int>Mastery>Versa>Haste>Crit ?! ,, im confused here
The stats on the vid were wrong I used the wrong stats image, your stats right.
Thanks mate , and be aware that you said in the beginning of the Vid also that as fire mage you will need lots of crits , and thats what confused me tbh
Yea Fire stats are weird, Crit is what makes the spec play well, always has been but this time it values like crap...
So thats what I meant.
hhmm..., fair enough ,, this expansion is driving me nuts tbh , its like you will need to forget all the standards that you know and forge new ones , meh !
when do i use my second rune ?
Second rune you use after your first one drops off and combust ends. After that look at the CD time of combust and make sure you have a rune come up when that comes off CD. Other than that you can try and pop it every time meteor comes of CD (iirc the cd comes out to every other Meteor gets a rune).
can I get weak aura for fire mage?
Look up luxthos on wago.io to get the pack
Hey ,you can tell me your transmog?
Wemerson Hey, can you tell me your transmog?
What is fire mage stat priority
Crit=vers>haste>mastery
It's actually Mastery>Vers>Haste>Crit, believe it or not lol. Of course it changes roughly per person, but Crit is generally the worst stat.
Feida good luck getting hot streak procs and doing decent ST dps
@@BIGSWOLEXL Where are you getting this info? Theorycrafting and sims clearly explain why Crit is under performing right now.
Feida and people wonder why fire is at the same level as boomkin druids now cus retards stack mastery and think its good when it isnt mastery doesent give fire the burst it revolves around
good xmog
Your discord link doesnt work dude.
discordapp.com/invite/0gLMHikX2aZ23VdA - updated.
The problem with the fire mage, it does not heal.
Please moonkin bfa guide!
fire is unplayable right now cuz our azerite gear doesnt provide sec stats wtf
It's actually bis right now due to the buffs.
WARMODE OFF :Ss
I Dont think i can take tips from a back pedaler.
😂😂😂
fire is shit the only spell that does any damage in PVP is enhanced pyro,you can basically hit most other classes with a chain of instant pyros as long as you like but their health does nothing even with 350+ gear and 40%+ crit so basically all you can do in pvp is try to get some enhanced pyro's off before some DK kills you in 3 seconds fire locks you stunns you and kills you in 3 seconds,so basically fire mage is utterly usless 1v1 in PVP because every other class has higher DPS now or heals faster then you can get their health down..........all the more reason to quit WOW if fire mage is your main because grinding rep and daily quests is BS the dungeons and raids drop junk gear that only leaves PVP..........
fire mage "DPS" lmao
Stop your saying Fire isnt performing high when it IS. All classes are at least 1-2% of each other in damage atm. Its perming side by side with arcane and frost. Depends on how the player is at his rotation and if hes geared correctly. Fire is VERY good with like you said if you have nothing but crit on your gear. I have 37% crit and literally sustain 11k-13k dps with 23K opener burst at 345 ilvl. Any class/spec is viable atm as long as you gear properly to the specs stats weights. You also should be running pytoclasm yeah you arent a good fire mage #NEXT
Crit or mastery ? Some player say Crit some player say mastery im lost
Use this mate, www.raidbots.com/simbot/stats .
Fire is not within 1-2%, my arcane pulls 12k on sim (5 min PW), frost 11.3k, and fire is down at 10k. This is the case for everybody. Don't take dungeon bosses as your damage, it is irrelevant. It had a slight viability with duplicative stacking, then that got nerfed. Pyroclasm falls short because of low haste and crit values, meteor is pulling the highest atm.
Weird you aren't asleep for school.
Yeah I don’t agree with the way he played the spec. I’ve had the total opposite effect where my arcane and frost feel pretty boring and lacking. Where as fire this time around with roughly 40% crit and dropping the right rotations literally nukes mobs into another realm. So far no one has complained about my spec choice in dung. And a lot of mages in my guild are also running fire. Hope it comes out on top as an overall.