Yeah...imagine you have to die because of those two stooges in the cockpit, Jesus... Feels like even I could have done a better job, those two were use- and helpless without the autopilot.
For some reason, Crashing in oceans seems more haunting than crashing over land mass At least you can die with your own species around...but Oceans, damn that's like crashing in an alien ghost town...
I swear! Haunting, with no light but darkness for hundreds of miles, with sound of nothing but the crashing water and depth. I know most people don't experience that last part as the planes explodes immediately upon impact with the surface but imagine being somehow alive and trapped inside the cabin underneath the water, waiting to drown slowly. Absolutely horrifying. Kind of reminds you of the Titanic, particularly because it was the same ocean.
@@munimzahoor5950 You explained the exact fear that surrounds it, In land crashes I can pray to stay alive after the impact but In oceans ones, I'll pray to die as soon as possible because sooner or later its my fate so why not asap.. Edit: It happened in one of the crashes simulated on this channel, passengers inflated their life jackets before impact and plane took them down with itself
@@NPCLIVESMATTER723 By the time they hit the water, mostly people are unconscious, the fear would have shocked them into weird state, its the fall that's most painful, knowing the end is near, then the brain shuts off.
Smash Diggins My mother has a terrifying fear of the sea. And by terrifying I mean, if she sees a pic or a video of the ocean, she’ll start to have panic attacks. At a young age, I wanted to go on a cruise ship and all that. But growing up, I would constantly see how much fear my mum goes through due to the ocean. And now that I’m older, I too have that fear because of her. And honestly the sea terrifies me like nothing else. Even now, when I think about it, I get completely restless. I wanted to really visit places like the US, Canada and South America but living in the U.K., I know I’d have to travel over the Atlantic and I just can’t do it man.
I watched a few documentaries about plane crashes and it seems this phrase is the last one before the crash. Out of curiosity, was there a case when pilots managed to save the plane after the phrase terrain, pull up? Or is it already too late?
@@revina8868The only case that comes to mind is the plane crash that happened in the Hudson River. Both engines on the plane failed due to a bird strike. The amazing pilot and Co-piliot were able to land the plane perfectly into the Hudson River saving all souls on board. They got both an obstacle warning and a terrain warning before landing in the river. In cases similar to the one in the video though, it is almost always too late due to the low altitude and increasing decending velocity (which typically leads to a nosedive or plane inversion) and the intense G force. The plane during the Hudson River incident wasn't in a nosedive but rather in a level position, just rapidly losing altitude. I hope that gives you some insight to your question! Quick edit because I just remembered: An aircraft will typically give you a terrain or obstacle warning way before you reach the perimeter of land, water, or other things that could cause a crash. It has built in systems meant to warn you beforehand. There are different terrain warnings, the master warning itself is "Terrain Terrain, Pull Up! Pull Up!" (Depending on the aircraft model, this warning can change) Where as a more minor alarm will typically say "Terrain Ahead." It's not always a dire situation, the alarm is just inevitable to avoid when you're about to crash because that's just what the system is supposed to do.
Exactly..........i have seen other re-constructions of this crash, and they all come to the conclusion that the F/O Pierre Bonin caused the crash due to his staggering incompetence!
One knucklehead can bring out the worst in otherwise good careful people. You can work for years and then one day one of these a-holes turns up. They’ll teach you your own weaknesses.
cherryclan1 Don’t cover for them. This guy would have been setting of alarm bells before this but everyone would have covered for him. Remember the suicidal Germaair pilot with a history of severe mental illness? Do gooders kept encouraging him to feel good about themselves but he deliberately crashed an A320.
Yes. The pilots probably couldn't even see the water because it was dark, but their instruments at the end told them they were doomed as they ran out of altitude.
this simulation shows as if the plane glided on to the water ... completely inaccurate, it hit the water at close to terminal velocity so around 150mph.
Communication is obviously essential but the way that Pierre flew that plane was totally confusing David. from the moment Pierre took control to level off the rocking from turbulence he pitched the nose up and continued doing so almost until they hit the ocean. Why he did that makes no sense and there was no reason whatsoever to do so.
Timothy - just what I meant. If Bonnier should had spoken from the first second telling what he was doing nothing would had happen. Lack of communication
SEVERE AT BEST on Bonehead's (Bonin's) part! It was HIS(and unfortunately his wife and every other passengers') time to GO! So SAD, COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE, and unfortunate that they had to go out like that...😢💔
I keep coming back to this one. I think it's the last line "Damn it we're going to crash. This can't be happening." What a chilling thing to think about. Someone actually said those words as they saw the vast empty Atlantic ocean sweep into view. The sense of disbelief he expresses is so intriguing. You can almost hear him asking to wake up from a stress dream. Absolutely terrifying.
It was a storm they probably didn’t even see the ocean probably just the VSI (vertical speed indicator) showing a loss of 12000feet/minute and they altitude of less than 4000 feet on the altimeter, that’s an impact in about 20 seconds with no correction
I've watched and read a lot about this case. They didn't see nothing outside as it was pitch black outside and no moonlight whatsoever. Bonin once even misinterpreted the buffeting for a crazy overspeed while they were doing the exact opposite. Quite early robert realised the rapid increase in altitude and said several times to go back down but he let bonin keep flying the aircraft, due to huge stress communication broke down, dual inputs and so on..
Pilot David : "I cant understand, Ive been pushing down on the stick the whole time and we're still losing speed!" Pilot Piere : "I dont understand either, Ive been pulling up on the stick the whole time and we're still losing altitude!" Captain : "Le Wtf"
This is why the Airbus design where you don't get the same input on both controls is baffling. Airbus makes great aircraft, but the fact both flight sticks are not connected...Captain Sully reviewed this case and is baffled by this design...and he landed the fucking airbus on a river.
True, but sadly by its very nature human error isn't always avoidable - it's a fact of life. Occasionally, people mess up. In this case, the mess up cost well over 200 lives.
@@winnethepooh7986 Yes - the Airbus stick system allowed co-pilot Bonin to raise the nose of the plane and put it into an extended stall, without the other two pilots realising he was doing it. It is a crazy design flaw - a human error in the design, which led to human error in the pilots who didn't understand what was happening right in front of their eyes. Why he did that no one will ever know - most likely his inexperience. But in a Boeing aircraft which has a totally different system of duel control steering wheels instead of sticks, both react simultaneously when one pilot takes an action. Therefore each pilot is fully aware throughout the flight, of their colleague's actions. There's no way this catastrophic sequence of events could have happened on a Boeing. In the wake of the Air France tragedy of 2009 Airbus stuck to its guns defending their cockpit layout as the best, and superior to Boeing's. But I wonder if in the last 12 years they have made any amendments to the two, independent sticks which played such a critical role in the crash? The veteran pilot iin this video s convinced the Boeing system is better, and when he compares the layout and function of the instruments, it looks like a no brainer - ua-cam.com/video/kERSSRJant0/v-deo.html
I can’t imagine the terror of being a passenger/crew member on the plane falling at such a fast rate with the g force and having no idea what’s going on.
An airplane falling 12,000 f/m makes such a loud noise that nobody is able to sleep in it. The passengers knew that something was going terribly wrong.
Exactly Renfri, there was literally nothing wrong with the aircraft, and nothing wrong with the environment it was flying in, this plane crashed due completely to the extreme incompetance displayed by the first officer. Just wow.
I absolutely hate flying at night, I always get the window seat because I like knowing what’s going around me at all times but when I can’t see anything out of that tiny window... my anxiety goes through the roof 😓 imagine the fear these passengers felt knowing they were in their last seconds.
The.#1 T that’s ridiculous, more people die from car accidents each year than air crashes. Should we also ban cars? And alcohol kills people, should we ban that? And paracetamol? And knives? And anything else that carries a risk
@@MA-se1iv you only die from car crashes if you're stupid, or can't drive or have an unsafe car. Car crashes are completely up to you. Whilst on a plane anything could go wrong.
First Factor: Bonin panicked. He blew the severity of the situation incredibly out of proportion. The airspeed indicator failed, which led him to assume that every indicator in the cockpit had failed. Instead of following procedure for a faulty airspeed reading, he just assumed all indicators were giving him faulty data, when in reality, they weren't. The altimeter was showing increasing altitude, the pitch was indicating they were going up, and the stall warning sounded for a full minute, telling them they had very little lift. Yet they ignored all three of those things. Second Factor: Bad communication. Robert didn't know Bonin was scared shitless and not in a state of mind to operate the plane. Bonin, in a state of panic, didn't give up control of the aircraft when he was told to. He was paralyzed by fear, and was very obviously not thinking straight. He likely didn't even hear Robert telling him to give him control, because his mind was racing and clogged with adrenaline. He kept pulling up while Robert was pitching down, cancelling out the input. It was only until Bonin said "I've had the stick back the whole time" that the stupidity and horror of the situation dawned on Dubois. Had they actually recovered from that stall, Bonin would've been fired on the spot. This was an abhorrently bad reaction to the situation, and is completely inexcusable for a pilot with almost 3,000 hours of flight experience.
You are right. Pilots can fly an airplane but some don't understand the mechanics or the in and out of the airplane. Read what happen on Aeroflot Flight 593 - if the crew had just let go of the control column, the autopilot would have automatically taken action to prevent stalling, thus avoiding the accident. The Russian crew had unfamiliarity with the foreign-made plane - Airbus A310-304.
The easiest thing one can do is talk and comment after the accident has happened and knowing how it happened. When your actually in that moment, in the cockpit, with all those alarms and warnings going off, its a whole different story. Lots of "expert pilots' criticizing..
@ariannasv22 I flew with my family to New York that night. Since America Airlines gate was full we ended up seating on the Air France gate and waiting to board. I saw those people before the bordering that flight. Into this day every time I watch video related to Fight 447 give me nightmares
They didn't know if warning was true or not, because speed reading was clearly misbehaving. However, pilot in the left seat had a proper judgement in this situation. Even if speed reading isn't correct, you still have functioning attitude level and altitude indicator. Combination of both of these were clearly indicating a stall. The moron in the right seat simply got overwhelmed. He didn't mean harm, but he was clearly not cut out for the job. Simply incompetence. Flying in pitch darkness, in clouds, over the ocean - there is nothing for your eyes to catch outside. It's purely flying using instrumentation. And if one of those important instruments is out it really takes some clear and level-headed thinking to get a hold of a situation.
When you're panicking and losing altitude your first reaction would be to pull up. You think an experienced pilot would know the difference tho. Crazy.
@@scottiemccarthy896 One of the first things I was taught was that as soon as that stall warning indicator lights up, the first reaction should be to pitch down and add thrust. I think that's something they teach in lesson 1. This was just unbelievable.
Germanwings scares me more tbh. The fact that a single man intentionally caused that plane to crash, and the captain couldn't do anything because the cockpit couldn't be opened.
@@scrollingdownonlytofindcom2663 he should have called out the strongest men on the airplane. In extrem fear situations men can develop superhuman strength to save their lifes. Even bullet proof doors can be broken down if four men at once hit it like the worst enemy on the Planet…
Gol 1907 it's the most shocking to me.. imagine you're flying calmly, and suddenly you start falling spinning and crashing in the middle of the Amazon.
The scariest thing is no one knew they were descending for a long time because of the darkness imagine finding out minutes before hitting the sea the horror.
I read that once the plane reached terminal velocity the occupants wouldn't feel the descent. It was a night flight and many would have been asleep. I hope they had no idea what was happening and felt nothing on impact but died quickly and painlessly.
Video i looked up : My Top 10 Tips on Flying with Anxiety The video youtube recommends: Falling Over 12,000 Feet per Minute into the Atlantic Ocean | Vanished | Air France Flight 447 Thanks a lot ytb 🙃
I literally just came from a video called 'New ways for fearful flyers to think about turbulence'. This video was next to it in the recommended section :( thx a lot ytb
Horrible. I'm from Brazil and I have a neighbor who lost his only child on that flight. Unfortunately, psychologically, he has not recovered from the loss. Depressed and suicidal, it's amazing how one bad day can just change a person forever
So , Pierre killed everyone...by holding the stall and not paying attention to the HSI, AOA and VSI...I'm not even a pilot, I'm an avionics tech, but this baffles me.
Grim Engineer Panic, loss of concentration, PROTOCOL, there should be a basic check list in a situation like this right so each officer is on the SAME page, they were NOT communicating with each other effectively and confirming each others actions as correct. Why NOT!??!?
I have nothing to do with aviation and can see the fundamental logic in that! That boy had no business being at the controls, especially for failing to give control over to the other officer when commanded to. Incredible incompetence!
While ultimately it was F/O Pierre's actions that brought down the plane it was a chain reaction of events that occured. Equipment Failure was first- pitot tubes failed, shutting down airspeed reading. and disengaging auto pilot. While I very much enjoyed this clip of the final 10m of the flight provides incomplete picture of the investigation theres some good docos on Flight 447 on youtube that tell the whole picture.
Baffles me too. All they had to do when the autopilot disengaged was keep flying level and preferably straight too but they failed to follow basic rules of airmanship
He did it because the pitot tubes were telling him they were going too fast. So he did it to try and lose speed. However, he should have realised that the tubes were wrong and that his colleague was capable of handflying for a few minutes until the autopilot came back. And when he wanted to do something he should have said he was going to do something. Not just done it and not told his colleague. And when his colleague said he had control he should have let go of everything. I mean really they should have gone around the storm in the first place, not through it. And then the captain should have taken control when he came in
Chaos in the cockpit is worse. They reenact the scene from the transcript and it's like 4 and a half minutes of watching 3 people not realise the plane has stalled.
How the hell did that flight officer on the right even graduate flight school. “I’ve had my hand back on the stick the whole time”. And he didn’t understand why they were Stalling. What kind of special asshole .... I can’t. Totally speechless.
i know right how can you be so stupid to not know that to exit a stall you must dip the nose to regain lift, it baffling that a pilot could be so naive....
You hardly learn jackshit in flight school... flying is learnt by work experience in small aircraft then slowly moving up in weights so by the time you get into the jets your base in sound...but unfortunately due to greedy ceos , bankers ,crew schedulers ,marketing idiots ,that work within airlines that have no substance to safety want there pound off flesh off the pie they roster crews with only 1 captain to save a pissants dick off money...pilots over the last 20 yrs or more have been destroyed in salary’s and human shitbag resources to hire only lowtime or run cheap ass cadetship programs so as to trap and pay at the lowest possible rate. It’s def not worth being a pilot today compared to 20-30 yrs ago.
@@BamOn742 Alright, even if one doesn't learn much in flight school, there's at least a flight simulator for one to install to bloody practice. This was so basic that it boils my blood.
My brother is a seaman who missed his plane in Sao Paulo so his agency asked him to fly to Rio and took this Air France flight to Manila. Rest is history. Rip brother
@@Sheffield5047 Depends on the price... From Rio i'm pretty sure you gotta make a stop in New York or something then again to some Seattle or LA or whatever to get a flight to the Phillipines...
My 33 year-old neighbor was on that flight...almost 2 weeks later his mangled torso (limbless) was found and flown back home. He left 2 children and 1 baby, and his 30 year-old wife. The events of that day and how the news slowly came in still haunt me.
And this is why you never leave 2x First Officers flying a plane without a Captain controlling them. The Captain figured out what they were doing wrong so quickly, yet the First Officers were still confused...
@@Nazey09 Pierre seemed like a dumb ass. You'd think after having thousands of hours of flight time he'd have figured out what was going wrong eventually
Two first officers flying a plane at night whilst a captain rests is a regular part of long distance flights. Probably every other overnight transatlantic flight had a similar system in place that night. Problems were the first officers didn't communicate and Pierre, for whatever reason, panicked and flew the plane into a stall . They realised what was wrong but only when the plane was at 2000 feet, falling at 15000 feet per minute. It was too late
DAMN..... SO SORRY..... I know as humans we get things wrong & have our faults, but It really sucks when something like this happens.... This crash was so 100% avoidable and should not have happened.... That's why new pilots need more training, and all flights should have a 4 man cockpit crew at minimum.
@@landaxe2 the other FO is very little to blame other than the fact that he did not communicate properly. Pierre was an idiot, even the armchair pilots know that when a plane starts to stall you need to push the nose down. How such an idiot that keeps the nose up while the airplane screams STALL STALL became a pilot is beyond me.
@@Gurubashy The entire CVR is not played in this simulation. Actually Pierre Bonin wanted to climb ABOVE the cloud system right from the start. He was very nervous when he saw they were approaching a storm and he felt that they could climb above the storm. He asked Dubois for permission to climb which Dubois denied. He was not clever enough to understand that the storm extended to 50000 feet (way beyond the capacity of the A330). So subconsciously Bonin always wanted to climb. So, the moment the autopilot cut off, he pulled the stick back. The other thing is Bonin actually tried the nose down, but it did'nt work. Because: When he had the stick back, the stall alarm kept blaring but he ignored it and the angle of attack increased to 40 degrees. The stall warning in A330 sounded only if the angle of attack was within reasonable range (less than 35 degrees). So at 40 degrees, the stall alarm cut out because the computer felt that 40 degrees was impossible and hence rubbish data. But since the plane was dropping like a stone, he put the nose down. Now when the angle of attack reduced to less than 35 degrees, the stall alarm kicked in again. So he thought that by pushing the nose down, he was stalling the plane. Hence he pulled back on the stick again and the angle of attack increased once again to more than 35 degrees and the stall alarm stopped again. He should have kept the nose down inspite of the stall alarm and soon the alarm would have cut out, this time because he would have recovered from the stall completely. Sigh!!
Coz he wanted to descend like an elevator i guess straight down. I blame nepotism for this accident , maybe his uncle put a word for him he clearly did not know what he was doing.
Right? Why they would not assess what both their hands are doing is beyond me! It's like constantly riding the brakes and wondering what that weird smell is...
I Booked flight with KLM, not realising it was an Air France flight! I was very nervous, and even thought should I board this flight? Fortunately the flight was uneventful, but I was very nervous
@@matthewsmith2787 what do you even mean we have amazing pilots. The takeoff and landings are always gentle and nice. They always try and avoid turbulences to the utmost. The only thing you should be afraid of is the food
@Dan Sincox I will have to look up West Carribean 708. Watching Air Diasters on AF447 and them determing how the plane crashed into the ocean just blew my mind.
A boy from my old school was on this flight, what a horrible way to go, I cant imagine the fear that the passengers must've shared in their final moments. RIP.
@colten libbett @@nabilkadir9648 The only thing I can think of is that there were only four or five minutes from the time they first realized they had an out-of-the-ordinary situation on their hands until the plane crashed. Also Marc what's-his-face had taken a sleeping pill. He might've been "there" on the flight deck; but his mind wasn't clear.
The accident report said they did wake the Captain he but did not see an answer to the problem when he got to the flight deck. The FO basically stalled the aircraft at 30,000 ft.
gta flight sim 💀 💀 💀 He did wake him up tho but it was too late cause the dumbass nigga on the right didn't know how to fly a plane and the plane was dropping at a shit ton of speed.
As a pilot myself this accident scares me to the core. It's insane to me that some pilots seem to forget to fly the airplane; there are procedures in place in case of airspeed indi loss to ensure that the pilots, first and foremost, keep the plane flying. Its different for every aircraft but essentially grinds down to applying enough thrust and maintaining level flight. You have to trust your basic instruments, even if you don't trust the computers and their readouts. Trust your instruments, fly the airplane, maintain spatial awareness. I haven't read the official reports but it looks to me like a combination of too much reliance on technology, not trusting their instruments (I think the FO had spacial disorientation, it's hard to explain his actions otherwise), and forgetting to fly the plane. I'm not assigning blame, I'm just stating what it looks like to me as a fellow driver (kind of a name we pilots call ourselves sometimes, comes from asking other pilots what they're driving, at least that's my experience. Some of the jerk senior guys will ask newer pilots hoping they reply with a description of their car. Real funny guys😒). Blessings to those involved and their families.
I can't understand eather why the FO wasn't looking on the levels. I mean, he clearly could see that he was in a rapid climb, and that he pulled the stick back before that. He crearly wasn't ready for the cockpit, even after 2500 flight hours. I don't want to hate on airbus, but in a Boeing the Captian would have seen clearly what the FO did wrong and could have corrected him after a few seconds, and not a few seconds before hitting the water.
Mike Slattebo oficial reports says the Young pilot didnt realize the aricraft was falling. I mean dont you feel that in your body ? When i fly as a passanger i clearly feel when the planes goes down. How he coulndt realize when the Craft step into loss? I ask you as u are a pilot
I love how Bonin secretly went back to pulling on the flight stick at the very end, when nobody was looking, just in case anyone managed to save the stall. What a legend.
I am so, so sorry for the terror these poor passengers and crew felt. It's beyond horror. I just took a trans-atlantic flight. There was just a bit of turbulence and I was almost freaking out so I cannot imagine what these people went through. My heart goes out to them and to all their loved ones~+
From what I read most passengers had no idea they were going down. The pilots didn't understand. The voice recorders only captured a brief instant of noise coming from the cabin before they belly flopped into the Atlantic.
kenworthNH thay had no idea that the plane is Falling but 100% they were aware that something is wrong the Plane nobody was sleep due to the massive sound climb fast decends fast left turn right turn during the stall the flight attendent called the pilot many times to ask what is going on and nobody answered :/ ! All of them died at the impact except the pilots who has suffered during the impact
Hi Matt, you're right. I guess there are different levels of horror. For me personally, a plane crash is a horrible way to go because of the fear you feel going down. What you described about going to war is something I can't even touch. My uncle was in Vietnam and he rarely talks about it. One story he has told to the family is that he saw his friend die right in front of him because of a land mine. He has truly seen horror. And that's just one story he has told, I can't imagine what else he experienced over there. I am truly sorry for bringing up bad memories for you. I will try to be more careful with my words going forward.
I’ve looked at a lot of information about this flight, including recreations of the pilots’ inputs after the autopilot disconnected. It’s not quite as simple as Bonin just pulling the stick directly back the whole time - initially he makes nose up inputs, but he also yanks the stick around erratically in wildly different directions, seemingly in an attempt to level the wings. It’s clear that he was panicking and believed the computer was moderating his inputs when it wasn’t. Regardless, his failure to recognize the stall condition is both unacceptable and completely unexplainable.
Adding to the confusion was that the stall warning stopped when he pulled back on the stick and further reduced speed. The computer interpreted the input data as invalid, only to treat the data as valid again when the aircraft would regain speed as he pointed the nose downward. So when Bonin would do the right thing the stall warning would sound, only to stop when he would again point the nose upward.
@@tinnedtuna8242 That was true only after Bonin had put the plane into a deep stall with the nose of the plane pointed almost straight up, something no qualified pilot would ever do. Besides, there is no evidence whatsoever that the stall warning influenced his actions. He ignored all of the stall alarms that sounded while the computer still understood what was happening so there’s no reason to believe he suddenly started paying attention later on.
Agree. What I also find unacceptable (bordering on criminal) is Robert with more flying time under his belt, should have recognised Pierre was out of his depth and struggling to cope. The stall warning alone (as others pointed out) should have immediately told Robert they needed to drop the nose. As the more experienced pilot, he should have taken control of the aircraft way earlier.
@@catherineolivia1 yup he should took over the control but I think he didn't cus the captain left the plane in charge to Bonin instead which is quite strange considering he had less experience than Robert.
These videos really break my heart, it’s so sad and scary how every time we board planes we trust completely strangers with our lives. It’s very scary when you don’t have control. May they all rest in ✌🏽.
Safer than a car in terms of the probability of being involved in a crash? Sure, but I'm very certain the survival rate of car crashes is much higher than plane crashes.
The pilot negligence is horrifying ! Why in hell would you still be pulling up on the stick when SOMEONE ELSE says "I have control" ?!?!?! Also, why did they not have a stewardess get the captain the moment something went wrong ? It's downright depressing to know that this whole thing could have easily been avoided. I honestly can't imagine the absolute terror everyone on board must have felt. Everyone should have lived; that thought is the most upsetting.
@LadyDetective07, Maybe the fear, panic and confusion blocked their minds. I know they train for emergency situations on flight simulators, but when you know it's not for real, maybe you stay calm.
@ 11:43 imagine you finally see something because is was so dark at night and you realize it's the ocean by then it's too late and you know that you're going to die I can only imagine what would go through someone's mind
I've heard it called "the goofy loop" where you get stressed, try to stop the stressor, fail, start panicking, do the same thing to try to stop it, fail again, and so on. In this case, it seems to have doomed hundreds of people.
Don't think it would have happened if the Captain had left David Robert the pilot in charge. He didn't realize Bonin was keeping the plane in a nose up attitude.
@@lindaross4331 Honestly, there was plenty of blame to go around, but you are right. That was a very questionable decision by the captain to put the least experienced crew member in charge, but maybe he did that in the hopes Bonin would gain some more experience, and under the assumption he and Roberts would communicate better in case of an emergency.
I don't see what David could have done different. He was quick and clear to Pierre in saying what to do to get out the stall, and when Pierre kept being his dumb self, David tried to take control. Looks like it's a silly design with those side sticks where #1-The other pilots can't see what position the controlling pilot has the stick in, and #2-The inputs can cancel each other out. From watching these clips it looks like Airbus always have these quirky control issues.
I rarely blame the pilots because being in the situation is always a hundred times more difficult than sitting comfortably at home in your chair. But the incompetence of the FO in the right seat is extreme, not only is he doing things that makes no sense, he also continues to fly the airplane after giving control to the FO in the left seat. What the actual fuck.........
I hope they investigated suicidal tendencies of First Officer Pierre. There is no way any Pilot with almost 3000 flying hours can commit such basic mistakes. It appears to me that he deliberately sabotaged the efforts of his co-pilot.
@@southerngirl1490 The only explanation I could come up with: He panicked and simply "forgot" he was holding the joystick. Or he confused up and down and thought joystick down means nose down, and that is why he thought he had lost control over the plane because it didn't happen. And I am surprised that the plane's controls let the inputs of the pilots cancel each other out whithout any warning. Maybe the other two would have spotted this error a lot earlier then.
@@Elite7555 pierre messed up, I agree. However, I agree with you. The plane should have given a warning that the two officers opposite joystick inputs were cancelling each other out. That way, the other officer would have known pierre was doing the wrong thing. I hope Airbus has that feature now. That feature and better communication between pilots.
Basic flying 101. When the aircraft stalls you put the nose down immediately IM-FUCKING-MEDIATLY. Damn dough ball got rattled and forgot how to fly. Fly the aircraft, no matter what happens, Fly the God Damn aircraft.
Can't the pilots ask the stewardesses to bring back the captain for an emergency? Wouldn't the pilots have given announcements to passengers that could have been heard by the captain? Captain's at fault too. Negligence in letting two underlings learn the hard way
Read the complete transcripts that are available. Bonin was told 7 times to F off and not touch anything and yet he ignored all commands and kept pulling back. People assume he was just a horrible pilot and panicking but I think it was intentional.
Some pilots have said that sometimes, when flying through a thunderstorm at night over the Atlantic, when a lightning strikes and lightens the clouds for a second, you can catch sight of a mysterious ghost plane with its nose up for no reason. They call it the Stalling Frenchman. I don’t know of it is true but it terrifies me.
They say : " don't be afraid of flying because all pilots are extremely well trained professionals operating high end flying machine with thousands technological things on board that will prevent the crash. So here we have a well trained pilots and high end flying machine. The human factor is always be there.
Andre 1999 Air France were notorious for their shit training but I’m not sure about present day. What Pierre Bonin did was unacceptable and he caused that crash (Ironic because he had more hours than David) but I kind of understand his thinking. I think he thought he was over speeding so he tried reducing speed by pitching up which was terribly wrong (but I mean 3-4 minutes of that? Come on man). Anyway, the bottom line is they should not have flown into that storm cloud in the first place. Pilots take loads of extra fuel if there’s a possibility of storms on the flight path. The fact they were in that thing was unbelievable in itself. I would not worry about flying, it is an incredibly safe form of transport and 99% of pilots are really well trained. There were so many problems with this flight, it’s fucking incredible. The aviation world learned a lot from this crash.
Andre 1999 yeah and how do average pilots (including the morons in the video) compare to the average car driver of? At the end of the day, numbers don’t lie: if you care about whether you live or die, you’d be foolish to think cars are safer
When a pilot asks for control, the other pilot is supposed to take their hands off the controls and say something like "you have control". It seems the junior pilot never took his hands from the controls as per training. Unbelievable. As a lay person, I am staggered by this failure. Just astonishing to have stalled the aircraft for that long. One factor that I read that contributed to the crash was that the training was that the aircraft in 'normal mode' would not allow a stall, that is, the pilot can input a nose up attitude at maximum but the aircraft will only initiate max climb and not stall. My understanding is that the aircraft flight computers were in 'alternate mode' due to the failure of the pitot tubes, hence the aircraft did not have its usual stall protections and could be commanded into a nose up attitude that resulted in a stall. The junior pilot was of the belief that the aircraft would not put itself into a stall regardless of his input.
This smells like pilot suicide to me. One of the first things you learn as a pilot is how to get out of a stall situation, you pitch the nose down to add thrust
@@victoranthony9037 Did you read my comment? The pilot surely knew how to avoid a stall but he was mislead by his understanding of the alternate vs normal mode situation the flight computers were in
I doubt it. The stall warning sounded several times and then for a full minute continuously. You have to be dense AF to not at least consider that you may in fact be stalling, no matter what protections the plane has. Especially if you've been pulling back on the stick for several minutes straight.
@@Pratik4311 I agree, but the FO probably thought or assumed that because he had erroneous speed readings, that the stall stall warning was false too. He probably didn't trust the instruments anymore. He might've been thinking the stall stall warning was because his air speed was too low because the pitot tube froze up.
First officer Pierre is responsible to this disaster. The crew, after having realised that they are going to enter a thunderstorm cloud, and knowing that it wouldn't be safe by passing through the clouds, they would have best, immediately have started increasing their altitude to about 37000-38000 ft, by requesting the ATC for giving the clearance. This accident would have then prevented. Thank you TFC for creating such a nice and realistic video, and letting us know about this disaster. Condolences to everyone those who lost their loved ones in this accident.
I thought the video said they were out of ATC range and in dead air space? I do agree with you though. This accident could have been avoided if it hadn't been for the right seat FO.
This is precisely what I keep thinking. How do pilots not do the simple things like look at the FUCKING GYRO. How do they not feel the negative Gs that indicate the craft is falling!??
The captain had taken a sleeping pill anyway. They did summon the captain back to the cockpit but it was a minute or so before he actually returned to the flight deck.
While it's not ideal, losing the air speed indicator like this really wasn't that big of a deal. This is like travelling down a highway at 80mph, and then your speedometer goes out, and instead of just, yknow, driving the car to the next exit (where, in this case, the speedometer would start working again) you veer hard to the right and crash into the barrier. It just makes no sense whatsoever.
Exactly! Thats whats wrong with modern flying. Too many "poorly trained pilots", who don't fly as a hobby. They want to be a pilot but have never put in the time as private pilots. Also, one needs to consider the training their given and WHY they were passed on up the line. Too many Red flags but yet they were still allowed to be promoted.
That's the ongoing criticism of modern flight controls that automate almost everything: you can have 10,000 hrs. of flight time, and have practically no experience with manual flight as compared to someone who has 10,000 hrs. in a less-automated craft. The crew in the more complex craft has invested more of their training in debugging the controls, and therefore less in controlling the aircraft.
I cant watch these anymore I have high blood pressure and watching these does not help. I remember this story from when it happened and was under the impression that the thunderstorm knocked the plane out of the sky but indirrctly I suppose it was from the ice crystals in the pitot tubes.
I remember watching this on Air Crash Investigation. How can a qualified and trained pilot not know how to get out of a stall, everyone knows you must dive to gain speed and trade that speed eventually for altitude, SMH, RIP to those who lost their lives
sorry forgive me i know this is an old comment and i don't mean at all to defend his complete incompetence but i think the problem was bonin didn't actually believe they were in a stall at all even his final words were "but what is happening" i think the speed was reading inaccurate from the ice build up so he assumed all the other readings were wrong too and his knee jerk reaction whether due to anxiety or poor training was to pitch the nose up. i'll literally never understand it of all the crashes this one is the most haunting because it was so avoidable.
At first, Bonin thought he was overspeeding so he slowed down, and the altimeter said that the plane was going down but it wasn't, so he put the nose up. When the stall arrived, he for some reasons continued to put the nose up while the other copilot was putting the nose down and wasn't understanding why they were still stalling, but that wasn't working because Bonin took the commands before him.
@@mechadoggy this accident goes to show just because a person is taught something doesn't mean they can execute it in real life! obviously that fo was not capable of handling situations in the air
I always come back to this crash. For me one of the most haunting and inexplicable ones. Bonin just had to let go of the pressure he was adding to the stick in order to put the nose down. That is a simple statement you say right now to yourself, but then we'll never really know what was going on in his head and what happened that night. Such a preventable disaster.
@@Zain-iv9yv Bonin was literally scared. He panicked and in his last words you can still sense that he was confused. So, therefore it's not about suicide or whatever you're concluding
Even if the guy was actually flying the plane the whole time it would not have helped because all they would have to do is esentially what the autopilot was doing, keeping the plane at the same altitude and speed, kind of pointless. Pilots are there for when the computer can't fly in a straight line and this guy failed at his job due to the fact that thanks to not being able to keep the plane level for more than a minute. I'm sorry but the fact that the guy stalled the plane so easily in the first place means they were doomed from the beginning. However, the other officer should have taken control of the plane instead of critizing him after he found out he was stalling the plane. Also the captain failed to try to attempt to solve the issue and just sat in the jumpseat for no reason instead of taking control of his plane. In the end it was pierres fault but there's plenty of negligence to the other 2.
experience pilot is needed in every fly. he shouldn't sleep that long and leave the plane to the junior. this is a damn big mistake. what do pilots learn in their class.
Especially his choosing to do so when they were in that "dead zone" area over the Atlantic where there is no communication with the ground, and no radar surveillance.
I blame the plane design, Having side sticks is just a accident waiting to happen, if they had been traditional yolks the crew would have seen what the other was doing.
Why didn’t they have 2 COMPLETE flight crews (meaning 2 captains)? It’s crazy to have 2 rookies in control. Also, i noticed there was a 4th switch for heat to the sensor tubes. Why didn’t they turn that on with the engine and wing deice? And why didn’t Pierre taking his fucking hands off the stick when David said he had the aircraft? Too many crazy decisions....
@@i-love-space390 You'd have thought that the plane's designers would have anticipated the possible icing-up/obstruction of the so-vital pitot-tube and installed (built in) a heating-device that did away with the danger of a build-up of ice and snow. But maybe such a need was considered unlikely or an unnecessary expense by the sort of bean-counters who put passengers' safety and lives second to profit (see the story of the Ford "Pinto" car for more).
People get sloppy over time and it has fatal results: it happens to the best people who get hurried or tired or emotional and who then go and cut corners.
but with the automation the natural skill of flying and the feeling for an airplane gets lost. And this opens the door for different kind of dangers. It´s the same with cars. If you always trust in ESP and this system breaks down, many will not be able to catch the sliding car, because they do not know what to do.
Flying is so common and routine that these pilots are basically just driving an automated bus that just happens to have wings and can leave the ground.
even with the sophisticated system we have now, being a pilot still means that you're responsible for all the passengers lives. Sometimes the fine line betwen life and death is on the pilot's hands
for all the pilots.. please study and do your job well.. think of all your passengers life. one mistake you made they all gonna die. nobody is perfect but please be careful and take your job seriously.
They do, that's why airplanes are really safe to fly in, its just that there was this one dumbass in the cockpit who messed it up for the other two and eventually the whole plane and also cause of Airbus's messed up flight controls.
@sri rejeki What the hell is that supposed to mean? You think French lives aren't worth as much as Indonesian lives or something? What is wrong with you?
Anyone knows that if you keep the nose of an aircraft up to high , then it will stall , this is what you do in a light aircraft when you are doing aerobatics , you bring the nose of the aircraft up to stall it .
I remember this really well. When the black box recordings were released and we all heard why this plane crashed, I actually vowed to never fly with Air France. Extreme I know, but the fact that so many people had to die for no other reason than the failure of two people to merely TALK to each other was just stunning to me.
Holy crap! The captain, after being told by BOTH FOs that "we've completely lost control of the AC", doesn't assume command and sits in the jumpseat? WTF? This whole thing was a comedy of errors.
Probably the captain is analyzing the fault. And proven half-way correct. Yes, Pierre did wrongly pull the nose back, however the capt doesn't instruct Pierre to follow David's way of controlling stick. Still, he's missing the point; the pitot tube is not working due to trying to make the FOs cooperate each other. If I could say, it's firstly FOs' fault, followed by Capt for not to instruct Pierre to follow the same way with David and as well as neglecting his own responsibility. Reminder, Capt's slightly higher resp. than Co-pilot. Anyways, RIP for 'em.
C. Camomille E. Arnabell you're completely wrong. No way for them to know the tubes froze. FO Bonin caused the crash. If he had never touched his stick, the plane would have never climbed and entered the intial stall. And if he had stopped pulling back on the side stick, the plane would not have gone into the catastrophic stall.
The Smithsonian Channel has an excellent Air Disasters episode on this crash; the two FO's weren't even close to being equally responsible. The flying FO (Pierre) totally panicked from the outset, and successively made every wrong move imaginable in reacting to what was happening. The other FO eventually tried to take control and correct matters, but Pierre's insistence on pulling the stick back continuously thwarted the other's efforts. The side-stick design didn't help matters, as each of the two pilots couldn't see what the other was doing with the stick, as would have been the case with Boeing-style yokes ( a problem noted in the accident report and subsequently addressed by EADS).
When I was younger and getting into an aviation I could never comprehend the idea of the Airbus side-stick design. A computer keyboard taking the place of a steering yoke made me realise that these airlines really just want computers flying their planes.
@@tucker3601 the 777 and other modern Boeing aircrafts are not any different …..there may be a yoke but it still is a computer that flies the aircraft through the control, joystick or yoke
I'm in film & television but I've never seen better maximum graphic vids as these by TheFlightChannel. And I have to mention - THANK YOU for imaging and assigning the light & sound of lighting/thunder. To this day, our movie industry STILL INCORRECTLY has the clap of thunder simultaneously accompany the image of lightning! Great vids.
The second the FO David said "we are going to crash".. Such a terrific and horrific moment crashing into an ocean that too at middle of the night.. Scariest crash ever in ocean.. I can't even imagine what will be the mindset of the captain and FOs when they understood they are gonna die in seconds crashing on the ocean floor.. Feeling pity on the souls who lost their lives without even knowing anything before they woke up from their sleep.. RIP souls
A family member is flight crew on Air France. We had quite an argument over this accident. It took me some time to find the courage to view this video, but I am glad I did. When two less-advanced anthropoids cannot work out if the plane is pointed upwards or downwards, and at a notable angle, and cannot see the altimeter dropping, they should not be delivering pizzas on mopeds. Pilots should not be allowed to be alone on the flight deck until they can fly a light aircraft in poor weather and with only the legal minimum of instruments. It was more like a story of two kids arguing over a simulator software than one of 2 supposedly qualified adults responsible for hundreds of lives. As for not realising you have your hand on the main control after you have told your colleague "You have control", surely that would get you thrown out of any training program for flying large aircraft. It's so elementary, I only believe it happened because I have learned about it on a credible source.
It was that Pierre dumbass that was the primary cause of this. FO David should've been more communicative but this was primarily caused by that Pierre dipshit.
RIP Marcelo and Marcela (my brother and his wife) it’s so sad I cant stop thinking about that day 11 years later 🙏🏽😔
God bless
Really??
RIP sorry bro that's terrible. i wish the best for you and your family.
RIP
I'm so sorry to hear that. I hope they rest in peace.
It's been 10 years to the crash today.. nobody should have died that night.. nobody..
Exactly right.
Yeah...imagine you have to die because of those two stooges in the cockpit, Jesus...
Feels like even I could have done a better job, those two were use- and helpless without the autopilot.
I think that the pilot in command should have been monitoring a lot more then he did
We are all mortals and we’re going to die sooner or later, whether it be by natural causes or accidents caused by us or by others. There is no escape!
@@FFM115 BULLSHIT. When there is an idiot in the cockpit or in a car wheel,then that's just risking the lives of others.
For some reason, Crashing in oceans seems more haunting than crashing over land mass
At least you can die with your own species around...but Oceans, damn that's like crashing in an alien ghost town...
I swear! Haunting, with no light but darkness for hundreds of miles, with sound of nothing but the crashing water and depth.
I know most people don't experience that last part as the planes explodes immediately upon impact with the surface but imagine being somehow alive and trapped inside the cabin underneath the water, waiting to drown slowly. Absolutely horrifying. Kind of reminds you of the Titanic, particularly because it was the same ocean.
@@munimzahoor5950 You explained the exact fear that surrounds it, In land crashes I can pray to stay alive after the impact but In oceans ones, I'll pray to die as soon as possible because sooner or later its my fate so why not asap..
Edit: It happened in one of the crashes simulated on this channel, passengers inflated their life jackets before impact and plane took them down with itself
@@NPCLIVESMATTER723 By the time they hit the water, mostly people are unconscious, the fear would have shocked them into weird state, its the fall that's most painful, knowing the end is near, then the brain shuts off.
And surviving on land...hey help is nearby most likely. In the ocean...AT NIGHT? The ocean is a primal fear for me. Fuck that.
Smash Diggins My mother has a terrifying fear of the sea. And by terrifying I mean, if she sees a pic or a video of the ocean, she’ll start to have panic attacks. At a young age, I wanted to go on a cruise ship and all that. But growing up, I would constantly see how much fear my mum goes through due to the ocean. And now that I’m older, I too have that fear because of her. And honestly the sea terrifies me like nothing else. Even now, when I think about it, I get completely restless. I wanted to really visit places like the US, Canada and South America but living in the U.K., I know I’d have to travel over the Atlantic and I just can’t do it man.
“Terrain, Pull up!” Must be one of the scariest things you can ever hear as a pilot!
Yes that robot voice
I watched a few documentaries about plane crashes and it seems this phrase is the last one before the crash. Out of curiosity, was there a case when pilots managed to save the plane after the phrase terrain, pull up? Or is it already too late?
@@revina8868The only case that comes to mind is the plane crash that happened in the Hudson River. Both engines on the plane failed due to a bird strike. The amazing pilot and Co-piliot were able to land the plane perfectly into the Hudson River saving all souls on board. They got both an obstacle warning and a terrain warning before landing in the river. In cases similar to the one in the video though, it is almost always too late due to the low altitude and increasing decending velocity (which typically leads to a nosedive or plane inversion) and the intense G force. The plane during the Hudson River incident wasn't in a nosedive but rather in a level position, just rapidly losing altitude. I hope that gives you some insight to your question!
Quick edit because I just remembered:
An aircraft will typically give you a terrain or obstacle warning way before you reach the perimeter of land, water, or other things that could cause a crash. It has built in systems meant to warn you beforehand. There are different terrain warnings, the master warning itself is "Terrain Terrain, Pull Up! Pull Up!" (Depending on the aircraft model, this warning can change) Where as a more minor alarm will typically say "Terrain Ahead." It's not always a dire situation, the alarm is just inevitable to avoid when you're about to crash because that's just what the system is supposed to do.
Feel bad for FO David, he did everything he can but FO Pierre screwed everything up
Exactly..........i have seen other re-constructions of this crash, and they all come to the conclusion that the F/O Pierre Bonin caused the crash due to his staggering incompetence!
It’s one thing to have to deal with stupid people, but it’s quite another to lose your life bc of their stupidity. It’s just not right.
worst part is they all realize seconds before the impact
One knucklehead can bring out the worst in otherwise good careful people. You can work for years and then one day one of these a-holes turns up. They’ll teach you your own weaknesses.
cherryclan1 Don’t cover for them. This guy would have been setting of alarm bells before this but everyone would have covered for him. Remember the suicidal Germaair pilot with a history of severe mental illness? Do gooders kept encouraging him to feel good about themselves but he deliberately crashed an A320.
Anyone else get shivers when the water came into view?
My heart dropped
I'm aquaphobic man I almost died lol
Yes. The pilots probably couldn't even see the water because it was dark, but their instruments at the end told them they were doomed as they ran out of altitude.
this simulation shows as if the plane glided on to the water ... completely inaccurate, it hit the water at close to terminal velocity so around 150mph.
no
This "accident" proves how important communication is. There was a lack of communication.
Exactly!!! Preach!! That was exactly what I thought.
Communication is obviously essential but the way that Pierre flew that plane was totally confusing David. from the moment Pierre took control to level off the rocking from turbulence he pitched the nose up and continued doing so almost until they hit the ocean. Why he did that makes no sense and there was no reason whatsoever to do so.
Timothy - just what I meant. If Bonnier should had spoken from the first second telling what he was doing nothing would had happen. Lack of communication
SEVERE AT BEST on Bonehead's (Bonin's) part! It was HIS(and unfortunately his wife and every other passengers') time to GO! So SAD, COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE, and unfortunate that they had to go out like that...😢💔
There communications weren’t working cause the plane was stall
I keep coming back to this one. I think it's the last line "Damn it we're going to crash. This can't be happening." What a chilling thing to think about. Someone actually said those words as they saw the vast empty Atlantic ocean sweep into view. The sense of disbelief he expresses is so intriguing. You can almost hear him asking to wake up from a stress dream. Absolutely terrifying.
It was a storm they probably didn’t even see the ocean probably just the VSI (vertical speed indicator) showing a loss of 12000feet/minute and they altitude of less than 4000 feet on the altimeter, that’s an impact in about 20 seconds with no correction
Anyways life is a dream bud either a fairy-tale or a nightmare. U choose.
If Bonin (the guy who said those words) hadn't been such an utter retard, it would've all been avoided.
I've watched and read a lot about this case. They didn't see nothing outside as it was pitch black outside and no moonlight whatsoever.
Bonin once even misinterpreted the buffeting for a crazy overspeed while they were doing the exact opposite.
Quite early robert realised the rapid increase in altitude and said several times to go back down but he let bonin keep flying the aircraft, due to huge stress communication broke down, dual inputs and so on..
This crash as well as the sinking of MS Estonia is haunting me
Pilot David : "I cant understand, Ive been pushing down on the stick the whole time and we're still losing speed!"
Pilot Piere : "I dont understand either, Ive been pulling up on the stick the whole time and we're still losing altitude!"
Captain : "Le Wtf"
great summary
Kids
Le funny shit. 😂
This is why the Airbus design where you don't get the same input on both controls is baffling. Airbus makes great aircraft, but the fact both flight sticks are not connected...Captain Sully reviewed this case and is baffled by this design...and he landed the fucking airbus on a river.
Also, the importance of yolks not side sticks
This accident is made much more tragic by the fact it was completely avoidable
avoidable*
@@kirtically5497 oops yep need to check what I type
True, but sadly by its very nature human error isn't always avoidable - it's a fact of life. Occasionally, people mess up. In this case, the mess up cost well over 200 lives.
It was a classic case of a cockpit design flaw.
@@winnethepooh7986 Yes - the Airbus stick system allowed co-pilot Bonin to raise the nose of the plane and put it into an extended stall, without the other two pilots realising he was doing it. It is a crazy design flaw - a human error in the design, which led to human error in the pilots who didn't understand what was happening right in front of their eyes.
Why he did that no one will ever know - most likely his inexperience. But in a Boeing aircraft which has a totally different system of duel control steering wheels instead of sticks, both react simultaneously when one pilot takes an action. Therefore each pilot is fully aware throughout the flight, of their colleague's actions. There's no way this catastrophic sequence of events could have happened on a Boeing.
In the wake of the Air France tragedy of 2009 Airbus stuck to its guns defending their cockpit layout as the best, and superior to Boeing's. But I wonder if in the last 12 years they have made any amendments to the two, independent sticks which played such a critical role in the crash? The veteran pilot iin this video s convinced the Boeing system is better, and when he compares the layout and function of the instruments, it looks like a no brainer - ua-cam.com/video/kERSSRJant0/v-deo.html
I can’t imagine the terror of being a passenger/crew member on the plane falling at such a fast rate with the g force and having no idea what’s going on.
derpty dumb it's believed that the passengers didn't know it was going on cuz they were probably asleep and it barely notesasable
ryan white I think most people would notice falling 12,000 feet per minute. That rate of descent would be very noticeable.
ryan white. No one's sleeping through that. They were all awake and terrified for 3-4 minutes, knowing they were about to die.
Their ears would have had a lot of pressure, I think.
An airplane falling 12,000 f/m makes such a loud noise that nobody is able to sleep in it. The passengers knew that something was going terribly wrong.
One of the most memorable crashes for me. Literally everything that Pierre did was so wrong....they may as well have had a passenger up there flying.
A passenger would have done better if told one thing “dont panically pull back on the controls”
Pierre might as well been trying to crash. One of the most worthless pilots ever
Exactly Renfri, there was literally nothing wrong with the aircraft, and nothing wrong with the environment it was flying in, this plane crashed due completely to the extreme incompetance displayed by the first officer. Just wow.
That Pierre guy is a real dunce! Am I right guys?
hahaha
“Damn it, we are going to crash. This can’t be happening.”
So sad 😢
@ciga daze
Bonin: *But what's happening?*
He said “fuck, we’re going to crash”, but I guess this is nicer
Fuck you Pierre dumbass
@@kleanovodust-bin69 Man this was sad, I'm from Rio and a girl from my neighborhood was in that plane. But your comment made me laugh.
do you know what the song is
The most avoidable plane crash in history.
Sucks!
9/11?
*2nd
If that Germanwings pilot stopped flying he would have never locked the pilot out of the cockpit and deliberately crashed the plane...
- Saudia flight 163
- LaMia flight 2933
Vladivostok Air Flight 352 is also from that row
I absolutely hate flying at night, I always get the window seat because I like knowing what’s going around me at all times but when I can’t see anything out of that tiny window... my anxiety goes through the roof 😓 imagine the fear these passengers felt knowing they were in their last seconds.
Flying should just be banned tbh, boat travel is much less fucked up.
HMS Titanic has entered the chat.
I just take a Rivotril and hope for the best.
The.#1 T that’s ridiculous, more people die from car accidents each year than air crashes. Should we also ban cars? And alcohol kills people, should we ban that? And paracetamol? And knives? And anything else that carries a risk
@@MA-se1iv you only die from car crashes if you're stupid, or can't drive or have an unsafe car. Car crashes are completely up to you. Whilst on a plane anything could go wrong.
First Factor: Bonin panicked. He blew the severity of the situation incredibly out of proportion. The airspeed indicator failed, which led him to assume that every indicator in the cockpit had failed. Instead of following procedure for a faulty airspeed reading, he just assumed all indicators were giving him faulty data, when in reality, they weren't. The altimeter was showing increasing altitude, the pitch was indicating they were going up, and the stall warning sounded for a full minute, telling them they had very little lift. Yet they ignored all three of those things.
Second Factor: Bad communication. Robert didn't know Bonin was scared shitless and not in a state of mind to operate the plane. Bonin, in a state of panic, didn't give up control of the aircraft when he was told to. He was paralyzed by fear, and was very obviously not thinking straight. He likely didn't even hear Robert telling him to give him control, because his mind was racing and clogged with adrenaline. He kept pulling up while Robert was pitching down, cancelling out the input. It was only until Bonin said "I've had the stick back the whole time" that the stupidity and horror of the situation dawned on Dubois.
Had they actually recovered from that stall, Bonin would've been fired on the spot. This was an abhorrently bad reaction to the situation, and is completely inexcusable for a pilot with almost 3,000 hours of flight experience.
You made a good case of why Bonin never should have been allowed to be a pilot.
Bonin should have never flown a commercial jet!
You are right. Pilots can fly an airplane but some don't understand the mechanics or the in and out of the airplane. Read what happen on Aeroflot Flight 593 - if the crew had just let go of the control column, the autopilot would have automatically taken action to prevent stalling, thus avoiding the accident. The Russian crew had unfamiliarity with the foreign-made plane - Airbus A310-304.
First factor is clogged pitot tubes, then said factors. Bonin was put in that situation, then he fucked up.
The easiest thing one can do is talk and comment after the accident has happened and knowing how it happened. When your actually in that moment, in the cockpit, with all those alarms and warnings going off, its a whole different story. Lots of "expert pilots' criticizing..
This is even more frightening than any horror movie. My heart goes out to the poor people on that plane, and the terror they went through... :(
Plane wasn't flying eratically. Chances are the passengers had no idea anything was wrong at all.
@ariannasv22 I flew with my family to New York that night. Since America Airlines gate was full we ended up seating on the Air France gate and waiting to board. I saw those people before the bordering that flight. Into this day every time I watch video related to Fight 447 give me nightmares
drollette08 why not like you knew then or saw them die lol get reeeeekt
drollette08 yeeeeeeeet
drollette08 oh yeah yeah
The last time I checked, a “stall” alert usually means YOU’VE FKING STALLED! Who gave this guy his pilot licence..
@Weston Shortnacy right
They didn't know if warning was true or not, because speed reading was clearly misbehaving. However, pilot in the left seat had a proper judgement in this situation. Even if speed reading isn't correct, you still have functioning attitude level and altitude indicator. Combination of both of these were clearly indicating a stall. The moron in the right seat simply got overwhelmed. He didn't mean harm, but he was clearly not cut out for the job. Simply incompetence.
Flying in pitch darkness, in clouds, over the ocean - there is nothing for your eyes to catch outside. It's purely flying using instrumentation. And if one of those important instruments is out it really takes some clear and level-headed thinking to get a hold of a situation.
France
pierre: we are descending
*continuous to climb*
When you're panicking and losing altitude your first reaction would be to pull up. You think an experienced pilot would know the difference tho. Crazy.
@@scottiemccarthy896 One of the first things I was taught was that as soon as that stall warning indicator lights up, the first reaction should be to pitch down and add thrust. I think that's something they teach in lesson 1. This was just unbelievable.
@@sparrowtail561 seems like pilot suicide to me
He descended the airplane by stalling it....I'm wondering what kind of pilot is this??
I am shocked that a pilot couldn’t fly that plane, or even crashed it sooner than he did
This has always been the scariest and most disturbing crash I've ever heard about.
MH370?
IT DIDN'T DISSAPEAR IT CRASHED IN INDIAN OCEAN
German Wings is really bad too
Germanwings scares me more tbh. The fact that a single man intentionally caused that plane to crash, and the captain couldn't do anything because the cockpit couldn't be opened.
@@scrollingdownonlytofindcom2663 he should have called out the strongest men on the airplane. In extrem fear situations men can develop superhuman strength to save their lifes. Even bullet proof doors can be broken down if four men at once hit it like the worst enemy on the Planet…
Gol 1907 it's the most shocking to me.. imagine you're flying calmly, and suddenly you start falling spinning and crashing in the middle of the Amazon.
Legends say that till date, Pierre Bonin is still pulling the stick up.
He’s under the sea strapped in his chair pulling on that stick
Pierre Bonin would be able to stall a Xcub from cubcrafter in a 50kts headwind
@@Cinerary lol
did they recover any corpses
@@randomrazr yes
The scariest thing is no one knew they were descending for a long time because of the darkness imagine finding out minutes before hitting the sea the horror.
At the speed they were descending, the passengers had to have known because of the G-forces.
The passengers must have been screaming for their lives
What are those PFDs for.... Dumb
I read that once the plane reached terminal velocity the occupants wouldn't feel the descent. It was a night flight and many would have been asleep. I hope they had no idea what was happening and felt nothing on impact but died quickly and painlessly.
@@LeeBee-hs6mj you are right! But stalling aircraft cause wings to vibrate rapidly...
Video i looked up : My Top 10 Tips on Flying with Anxiety
The video youtube recommends: Falling Over 12,000 Feet per Minute into the Atlantic Ocean | Vanished | Air France Flight 447
Thanks a lot ytb 🙃
I literally just came from a video called 'New ways for fearful flyers to think about turbulence'. This video was next to it in the recommended section :( thx a lot ytb
@@sjwdestroyer4895 I watched the exact same video of the turbulence and this came as a recommendation video. Now I am even more anxious...
@@Carolina3788 lmaoo
That’s the same with me -.-
I'm sorry but this thread is HILARIOUS!!!
Horrible. I'm from Brazil and I have a neighbor who lost his only child on that flight. Unfortunately, psychologically, he has not recovered from the loss. Depressed and suicidal, it's amazing how one bad day can just change a person forever
So , Pierre killed everyone...by holding the stall and not paying attention to the HSI, AOA and VSI...I'm not even a pilot, I'm an avionics tech, but this baffles me.
Grim Engineer
Panic, loss of concentration, PROTOCOL, there should be a basic check list in a situation like this right so each officer is on the SAME page, they were NOT communicating with each other effectively and confirming each others actions as correct. Why NOT!??!?
I have nothing to do with aviation and can see the fundamental logic in that! That boy had no business being at the controls, especially for failing to give control over to the other officer when commanded to. Incredible incompetence!
While ultimately it was F/O Pierre's actions that brought down the plane it was a chain reaction of events that occured. Equipment Failure was first- pitot tubes failed, shutting down airspeed reading. and disengaging auto pilot. While I very much enjoyed this clip of the final 10m of the flight provides incomplete picture of the investigation theres some good docos on Flight 447 on youtube that tell the whole picture.
Baffles me too. All they had to do when the autopilot disengaged was keep flying level and preferably straight too but they failed to follow basic rules of airmanship
He did it because the pitot tubes were telling him they were going too fast. So he did it to try and lose speed. However, he should have realised that the tubes were wrong and that his colleague was capable of handflying for a few minutes until the autopilot came back. And when he wanted to do something he should have said he was going to do something. Not just done it and not told his colleague. And when his colleague said he had control he should have let go of everything. I mean really they should have gone around the storm in the first place, not through it. And then the captain should have taken control when he came in
i've never had so much anxiety watching a youtube video before
Same
Same here
why ??
Same
Chaos in the cockpit is worse. They reenact the scene from the transcript and it's like 4 and a half minutes of watching 3 people not realise the plane has stalled.
How the hell did that flight officer on the right even graduate flight school. “I’ve had my hand back on the stick the whole time”. And he didn’t understand why they were Stalling. What kind of special asshole .... I can’t. Totally speechless.
Agree. It makes me so angry. His level of total cluelessness is FRIGHTENING. He didnt even know what the ozone was ffs!
But I still feel bad for him. He sounded so afraid in the end. PLUS his wife was on board the same plane
i know right how can you be so stupid to not know that to exit a stall you must dip the nose to regain lift, it baffling that a pilot could be so naive....
You hardly learn jackshit in flight school... flying is learnt by work experience in small aircraft then slowly moving up in weights so by the time you get into the jets your base in sound...but unfortunately due to greedy ceos , bankers ,crew schedulers ,marketing idiots ,that work within airlines that have no substance to safety want there pound off flesh off the pie they roster crews with only 1 captain to save a pissants dick off money...pilots over the last 20 yrs or more have been destroyed in salary’s and human shitbag resources to hire only lowtime or run cheap ass cadetship programs so as to trap and pay at the lowest possible rate. It’s def not worth being a pilot today compared to 20-30 yrs ago.
@@BamOn742 Alright, even if one doesn't learn much in flight school, there's at least a flight simulator for one to install to bloody practice. This was so basic that it boils my blood.
My brother is a seaman who missed his plane in Sao Paulo so his agency asked him to fly to Rio and took this Air France flight to Manila. Rest is history. Rip brother
this flight was headed to Paris not Manila tho.
@@elijahsackville-glucksburg perhaps he had a connecting flight in Paris? May he and all of these people rest in peace!
*was 😭😭😭
@@bluemedusa9858 Wouldn't you fly round the other way though?
@@Sheffield5047 Depends on the price... From Rio i'm pretty sure you gotta make a stop in New York or something then again to some Seattle or LA or whatever to get a flight to the Phillipines...
My 33 year-old neighbor was on that flight...almost 2 weeks later his mangled torso (limbless) was found and flown back home. He left 2 children and 1 baby, and his 30 year-old wife. The events of that day and how the news slowly came in still haunt me.
sorry to hear
Finding a limbless torso damn holy shit that's fucked up. Just shows how everyone's bodies must have gotten fucked up on impact.
Really feel sad to hear abt it. May God give patience to the family.
Reallyyyyy??
@La Serpenta Canta what happened tot he legs and arms
It was amazing that they were able to eventually find the black boxes amidst all that ocean. First officer Pierre had no business flying the plane.
He had nearly 3,000 flight hours at that point.
@@friedpickles342 obviously for nothing since he crashed an airliner when the pitot tubes froze over
For real tho feel free to call me an evil monster bish for saying this but I hope Pierre is posthumously regretting his actions constantly
@@friedpickles342 he had no business being a pilot. Period
@@baconatoromg6062 I know right! I was just a simple Avionics nerd in the USAF and even I would've known that ; goddamm!
And this is why you never leave 2x First Officers flying a plane without a Captain controlling them.
The Captain figured out what they were doing wrong so quickly, yet the First Officers were still confused...
Tomas T I’m not a first officer and even I realised their lack of communication, panic and Pierre holding on to the stick was the reason.
@@Nazey09 Pierre seemed like a dumb ass. You'd think after having thousands of hours of flight time he'd have figured out what was going wrong eventually
Pierre was pulling on the stick the whole time, the other officers did not know and once they figured it out. It was too late.
Two first officers flying a plane at night whilst a captain rests is a regular part of long distance flights. Probably every other overnight transatlantic flight had a similar system in place that night.
Problems were the first officers didn't communicate and Pierre, for whatever reason, panicked and flew the plane into a stall . They realised what was wrong but only when the plane was at 2000 feet, falling at 15000 feet per minute. It was too late
Exactly
My college teacher died with his wife and their toddler in this accident. It was unbelievable.
DAMN..... SO SORRY..... I know as humans we get things wrong & have our faults, but It really sucks when something like this happens.... This crash was so 100% avoidable and should not have happened.... That's why new pilots need more training, and all flights should have a 4 man cockpit crew at minimum.
Question need to be asked why the chef captain went to sleep amids the violent adverse storm???
@@suatustel746 Because he needed rest and he didn't even get it anyways because those two got it wrong immediately after he left
As long as man kind invent a device or machines accidents naturally occurs...
@@tarzlegacy9446 aight gonna fit 4 dudes in a cessna 172 cockpit
Anyone come from the news of Ethiopia airplane crash? May all the victims rest in peace.
Xiaolei Zan me
I heard about it one somali sister was on there with her 5 years daughter she wants to get married so sad.
Amen
Xiaolei Zan rip
I did.a woman that I deeply cared about was on that flight..in memory of Anne musyoki
Pierre...my dude. You killed everybody.
Nope, the other FO also to blame.
@@landaxe2 you meant the captain
@@afz1194 Nah i mean the FO while the captain was out of the cockpit
@@landaxe2 the other FO is very little to blame other than the fact that he did not communicate properly. Pierre was an idiot, even the armchair pilots know that when a plane starts to stall you need to push the nose down. How such an idiot that keeps the nose up while the airplane screams STALL STALL became a pilot is beyond me.
@@Gurubashy The entire CVR is not played in this simulation. Actually Pierre Bonin wanted to climb ABOVE the cloud system right from the start. He was very nervous when he saw they were approaching a storm and he felt that they could climb above the storm. He asked Dubois for permission to climb which Dubois denied. He was not clever enough to understand that the storm extended to 50000 feet (way beyond the capacity of the A330). So subconsciously Bonin always wanted to climb. So, the moment the autopilot cut off, he pulled the stick back.
The other thing is Bonin actually tried the nose down, but it did'nt work. Because: When he had the stick back, the stall alarm kept blaring but he ignored it and the angle of attack increased to 40 degrees. The stall warning in A330 sounded only if the angle of attack was within reasonable range (less than 35 degrees). So at 40 degrees, the stall alarm cut out because the computer felt that 40 degrees was impossible and hence rubbish data. But since the plane was dropping like a stone, he put the nose down. Now when the angle of attack reduced to less than 35 degrees, the stall alarm kicked in again. So he thought that by pushing the nose down, he was stalling the plane. Hence he pulled back on the stick again and the angle of attack increased once again to more than 35 degrees and the stall alarm stopped again. He should have kept the nose down inspite of the stall alarm and soon the alarm would have cut out, this time because he would have recovered from the stall completely. Sigh!!
“Okay, okay. I am descending.” **continues to pull up** 🤦
Coz he wanted to descend like an elevator i guess straight down. I blame nepotism for this accident , maybe his uncle put a word for him he clearly did not know what he was doing.
At least he was descending. Not in the way he expected though.
@@moxide that was my guess when I first saw the video. Not even 3,000 hours and he’s flying transoceanic flights?
A lot of these crashes apparently involve pilots not knowing what to do when the auto pilot disconnects.
In my opinion, way too many pilots and airlines are too dependent on the AP. I'm not saying we should fly manual, but still
ikr? Incompetent idiots, even I could do a better job
That's why they invented the autopilot
@@drinkinglotsofsoda no it isn't
Because it was an Airbus, and they were relying too much on automation. You can't computerize an airliner.
this is the stupidest most avoidable crash of all time its crazy, this makes me terrified of going on flights
Right? Why they would not assess what both their hands are doing is beyond me! It's like constantly riding the brakes and wondering what that weird smell is...
No worries, Pierres dead too. So he won’t be on your next flight.
I Booked flight with KLM, not realising it was an Air France flight! I was very nervous, and even thought should I board this flight? Fortunately the flight was uneventful, but I was very nervous
@@matthewsmith2787 what do you even mean we have amazing pilots. The takeoff and landings are always gentle and nice. They always try and avoid turbulences to the utmost. The only thing you should be afraid of is the food
@@badbitch898 So much for that with the Air France 447 pilots. I agree, the take off was smooth and landing also
Bonin: "I've had the stick back the whole time!"
Other pilots: "facepalm"
stupid Fortnite
It wouldn’t happen if it was Boeing because in Boeing the wheels are right between your legs if you had it up it would be too obvious
@@rasul407 tell that to 737 MAX . ill buy you a plane ticket if you want on one of these Boeing you love so much
HellStr82 if you promise to buy me a ticket for 737 Max I will take the flight ✈️ and I’ll tell you after we land how pleasant Boeing flight is
R R around 300 people would probably disagree with you...
My heart dropped when i saw the water.
I cant help but feel mad at pierre.
Same😔
@Dan Sincox nose might have only been up a lil but they hit the ocean pretty much with a flat belly against the ocean.
@Dan Sincox I will have to look up West Carribean 708. Watching Air Diasters on AF447 and them determing how the plane crashed into the ocean just blew my mind.
@Dan Sincox Thank you
A boy from my old school was on this flight, what a horrible way to go, I cant imagine the fear that the passengers must've shared in their final moments. RIP.
Those 3 minutes would have been like 3 hours.
Yeah of course he was.
@@stephenhunt2701 why are you doubting it
why didnt the other pilot go wake up the the smart captain that was sleeping while the other stooge was playin gta flight sim
Exactly what i thought.
@colten libbett @@nabilkadir9648 The only thing I can think of is that there were only four or five minutes from the time they first realized they had an out-of-the-ordinary situation on their hands until the plane crashed. Also Marc what's-his-face had taken a sleeping pill. He might've been "there" on the flight deck; but his mind wasn't clear.
The accident report said they did wake the Captain he but did not see an answer to the problem when he got to the flight deck. The FO basically stalled the aircraft at 30,000 ft.
gta flight sim 💀 💀 💀 He did wake him up tho but it was too late cause the dumbass nigga on the right didn't know how to fly a plane and the plane was dropping at a shit ton of speed.
Tyger Voods and even if he woke up we are humans I believe I took him some minutes to understand what was going on
Pierre is getting on my damn nerves!!!
fucking right
Pierre really shouldn't have been driving anything more complicated than a playmobil :V
J H 🖕🏽Pierre
I wonder how he was given a pilot license
@@NightRider0101 probably by hand
As a pilot myself this accident scares me to the core. It's insane to me that some pilots seem to forget to fly the airplane; there are procedures in place in case of airspeed indi loss to ensure that the pilots, first and foremost, keep the plane flying. Its different for every aircraft but essentially grinds down to applying enough thrust and maintaining level flight. You have to trust your basic instruments, even if you don't trust the computers and their readouts. Trust your instruments, fly the airplane, maintain spatial awareness. I haven't read the official reports but it looks to me like a combination of too much reliance on technology, not trusting their instruments (I think the FO had spacial disorientation, it's hard to explain his actions otherwise), and forgetting to fly the plane. I'm not assigning blame, I'm just stating what it looks like to me as a fellow driver (kind of a name we pilots call ourselves sometimes, comes from asking other pilots what they're driving, at least that's my experience. Some of the jerk senior guys will ask newer pilots hoping they reply with a description of their car. Real funny guys😒). Blessings to those involved and their families.
I can't understand eather why the FO wasn't looking on the levels. I mean, he clearly could see that he was in a rapid climb, and that he pulled the stick back before that. He crearly wasn't ready for the cockpit, even after 2500 flight hours. I don't want to hate on airbus, but in a Boeing the Captian would have seen clearly what the FO did wrong and could have corrected him after a few seconds, and not a few seconds before hitting the water.
flo richi You're right about that my friend. 😊
Are these conversations by the pilots retrieved from the black box?
shin mcabee Yes I believe so
Mike Slattebo oficial reports says the Young pilot didnt realize the aricraft was falling. I mean dont you feel that in your body ? When i fly as a passanger i clearly feel when the planes goes down. How he coulndt realize when the Craft step into loss? I ask you as u are a pilot
I love how Bonin secretly went back to pulling on the flight stick at the very end, when nobody was looking, just in case anyone managed to save the stall. What a legend.
😂
"Oops. Hope nobody noticed"
I think F/O Pierre should have taken that first break. He really messed up. Kind of wonder why he's even in that cockpit.
He didn’t slept night before
I am so, so sorry for the terror these poor passengers and crew felt. It's beyond horror. I just took a trans-atlantic flight. There was just a bit of turbulence and I was almost freaking out so I cannot imagine what these people went through. My heart goes out to them and to all their loved ones~+
From what I read most passengers had no idea they were going down. The pilots didn't understand. The voice recorders only captured a brief instant of noise coming from the cabin before they belly flopped into the Atlantic.
Awesome. I. Love It
I love this
kenworthNH thay had no idea that the plane is Falling but 100% they were aware that something is wrong the Plane nobody was sleep due to the massive sound climb fast decends fast left turn right turn during the stall the flight attendent called the pilot many times to ask what is going on and nobody answered :/ ! All of them died at the impact except the pilots who has suffered during the impact
Hi Matt, you're right. I guess there are different levels of horror. For me personally, a plane crash is a horrible way to go because of the fear you feel going down.
What you described about going to war is something I can't even touch. My uncle was in Vietnam and he rarely talks about it. One story he has told to the family is that he saw his friend die right in front of him because of a land mine. He has truly seen horror. And that's just one story he has told, I can't imagine what else he experienced over there.
I am truly sorry for bringing up bad memories for you. I will try to be more careful with my words going forward.
"Pierre have you ever flown a plane before?"
"No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night"
“I have not flown any actual airplanes but I have several pilot style hats that I like to wear.”
Lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🙏
It's dark humor and as sad as that accident was, your comment made me smile.
"No, I never had lessons."
I’ve looked at a lot of information about this flight, including recreations of the pilots’ inputs after the autopilot disconnected. It’s not quite as simple as Bonin just pulling the stick directly back the whole time - initially he makes nose up inputs, but he also yanks the stick around erratically in wildly different directions, seemingly in an attempt to level the wings. It’s clear that he was panicking and believed the computer was moderating his inputs when it wasn’t. Regardless, his failure to recognize the stall condition is both unacceptable and completely unexplainable.
Adding to the confusion was that the stall warning stopped when he pulled back on the stick and further reduced speed. The computer interpreted the input data as invalid, only to treat the data as valid again when the aircraft would regain speed as he pointed the nose downward. So when Bonin would do the right thing the stall warning would sound, only to stop when he would again point the nose upward.
@@tinnedtuna8242 That was true only after Bonin had put the plane into a deep stall with the nose of the plane pointed almost straight up, something no qualified pilot would ever do. Besides, there is no evidence whatsoever that the stall warning influenced his actions. He ignored all of the stall alarms that sounded while the computer still understood what was happening so there’s no reason to believe he suddenly started paying attention later on.
Agree. What I also find unacceptable (bordering on criminal) is Robert with more flying time under his belt, should have recognised Pierre was out of his depth and struggling to cope. The stall warning alone (as others pointed out) should have immediately told Robert they needed to drop the nose. As the more experienced pilot, he should have taken control of the aircraft way earlier.
It’s not just Bonin. Both the pilot and first officer had no reaction at all to the stall warning!
@@catherineolivia1 yup he should took over the control but I think he didn't cus the captain left the plane in charge to Bonin instead which is quite strange considering he had less experience than Robert.
These videos really break my heart, it’s so sad and scary how every time we board planes we trust completely strangers with our lives.
It’s very scary when you don’t have control. May they all rest in ✌🏽.
That is why you need Jesus
@Jabou baa Yet still flying is safer than driving in a car, as a driver by yourself or as a passenger. So miss me with this bullshit.
Fabio Haller I dated a pilot once. A binge drinker who played with dolls. No lie. They're all fucked in the head.
Safer than a car in terms of the probability of being involved in a crash? Sure, but I'm very certain the survival rate of car crashes is much higher than plane crashes.
The "safer than driving a car" b.s. is just that. B.s. I've never seen 200-400 people killed in a car crash. Garbage statistics
The pilot negligence is horrifying ! Why in hell would you still be pulling up on the stick when SOMEONE ELSE says "I have control" ?!?!?! Also, why did they not have a stewardess get the captain the moment something went wrong ? It's downright depressing to know that this whole thing could have easily been avoided. I honestly can't imagine the absolute terror everyone on board must have felt. Everyone should have lived; that thought is the most upsetting.
What was the captain doing and how could he not felt the turbulence of the plane for so long? ALL THREE ARE IDIOTS!
S W ToDi he was on break idiot. He probably slept.
@LadyDetective07, Maybe the fear, panic and confusion blocked their minds. I know they train for emergency situations on flight simulators, but when you know it's not for real, maybe you stay calm.
LadyDetective07 they’re called “flight attendants” now, they get upset if ya call em stewardesses.
It didn't matter as the Captain decided to sit in the jump seat and watch
@ 11:43 imagine you finally see something because is was so dark at night and you realize it's the ocean by then it's too late and you know that you're going to die I can only imagine what would go through someone's mind
I've heard it called "the goofy loop" where you get stressed, try to stop the stressor, fail, start panicking, do the same thing to try to stop it, fail again, and so on. In this case, it seems to have doomed hundreds of people.
"The two first officers were criticized for displaying poor crew resource management".
You could have just said they were idiots.
We can’t be offending people Mark. You know that. 😂 JK. Lol. I agree with you entirely where Pierre Bonin is concerned.
Don't think it would have happened if the Captain had left David Robert the pilot in charge. He didn't realize Bonin was keeping the plane in a nose up attitude.
@@lindaross4331 Honestly, there was plenty of blame to go around, but you are right. That was a very questionable decision by the captain to put the least experienced crew member in charge, but maybe he did that in the hopes Bonin would gain some more experience, and under the assumption he and Roberts would communicate better in case of an emergency.
@@dylanhutchins7110 and didnt expect that was their last journey..
I don't see what David could have done different. He was quick and clear to Pierre in saying what to do to get out the stall, and when Pierre kept being his dumb self, David tried to take control. Looks like it's a silly design with those side sticks where #1-The other pilots can't see what position the controlling pilot has the stick in, and #2-The inputs can cancel each other out. From watching these clips it looks like Airbus always have these quirky control issues.
The next time I fly, my first question upon entering the cabin will be; "Are any of the flight crew named Pierre?"
😂😆😆😆
Don't fly with a French airline then
Or „Andreas“, Germanwings
@Coder boi 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Frank Skoda-Simmons uuuhhhh no.
I’ve changed my mind, I’m driving to California next month instead.
good luck :)
God blezz... go safe.. I will pray for u..
From where?
then time to rent a land rover
I'm walking from now
I rarely blame the pilots because being in the situation is always a hundred times more difficult than sitting comfortably at home in your chair. But the incompetence of the FO in the right seat is extreme, not only is he doing things that makes no sense, he also continues to fly the airplane after giving control to the FO in the left seat. What the actual fuck.........
I hope they investigated suicidal tendencies of First Officer Pierre. There is no way any Pilot with almost 3000 flying hours can commit such basic mistakes. It appears to me that he deliberately sabotaged the efforts of his co-pilot.
Are you thinking of flight MH370 here?
Well then, if it ""appeared" that way are we to assume you are correct? I'm not. You can't assume that.
Good thought! 🤔
Neah he was just an idiot
I agree. There is no way he would do this on accident. He has more experience than that.
Airplane: STALL STALL DINGGGG DINGG STALL STALL
Two “pilots”: hmmm what is happening?
Pierre Bonin: I don't know what's happening. I mean, I've had the nose up the whole time, but I don't know why we're stalling.
Very sad "::: he was the first officer of the plane and don't know basics about the plane ,,,,
@@southerngirl1490 The only explanation I could come up with: He panicked and simply "forgot" he was holding the joystick. Or he confused up and down and thought joystick down means nose down, and that is why he thought he had lost control over the plane because it didn't happen. And I am surprised that the plane's controls let the inputs of the pilots cancel each other out whithout any warning. Maybe the other two would have spotted this error a lot earlier then.
“DINGGGG DINGG” 😂
@@Elite7555 pierre messed up, I agree.
However, I agree with you. The plane should have given a warning that the two officers opposite joystick inputs were cancelling each other out. That way, the other officer would have known pierre was doing the wrong thing.
I hope Airbus has that feature now. That feature and better communication between pilots.
Basic flying 101. When the aircraft stalls you put the nose down immediately IM-FUCKING-MEDIATLY. Damn dough ball got rattled and forgot how to fly. Fly the aircraft, no matter what happens, Fly the God Damn aircraft.
yes, that's in a normal situation, when under duress, things change fast.
@@danielgerber87 agreed. The mistakes are way too weird, especially considering he had more flight hours than David.
Teresa, you passionate fuck!
Don’t forget the stress factor!
And the anti stall system the a330 has!
Can't the pilots ask the stewardesses to bring back the captain for an emergency? Wouldn't the pilots have given announcements to passengers that could have been heard by the captain? Captain's at fault too. Negligence in letting two underlings learn the hard way
Read the complete transcripts that are available. Bonin was told 7 times to F off and not touch anything and yet he ignored all commands and kept pulling back. People assume he was just a horrible pilot and panicking but I think it was intentional.
Some pilots have said that sometimes, when flying through a thunderstorm at night over the Atlantic, when a lightning strikes and lightens the clouds for a second, you can catch sight of a mysterious ghost plane with its nose up for no reason. They call it the Stalling Frenchman. I don’t know of it is true but it terrifies me.
So now we have The Flying Dutch and The Stalling Frenchman
Woah
😂
I have flown over the Atlantic dozens of times, with thunderstorms, that is a myth
I can wholeheartedly confirm this story. I saw the plane in the clouds myself.
They say : " don't be afraid of flying because all pilots are extremely well trained professionals operating high end flying machine with thousands technological things on board that will prevent the crash. So here we have a well trained pilots and high end flying machine. The human factor is always be there.
Don't sleep when u in da air
Andre 1999 Air France were notorious for their shit training but I’m not sure about present day. What Pierre Bonin did was unacceptable and he caused that crash (Ironic because he had more hours than David) but I kind of understand his thinking. I think he thought he was over speeding so he tried reducing speed by pitching up which was terribly wrong (but I mean 3-4 minutes of that? Come on man). Anyway, the bottom line is they should not have flown into that storm cloud in the first place. Pilots take loads of extra fuel if there’s a possibility of storms on the flight path. The fact they were in that thing was unbelievable in itself. I would not worry about flying, it is an incredibly safe form of transport and 99% of pilots are really well trained. There were so many problems with this flight, it’s fucking incredible. The aviation world learned a lot from this crash.
Andre 1999 yeah and how do average pilots (including the morons in the video) compare to the average car driver of? At the end of the day, numbers don’t lie: if you care about whether you live or die, you’d be foolish to think cars are safer
Dont believe what plpl say all of the times
They are french though. 👨🎨
When a pilot asks for control, the other pilot is supposed to take their hands off the controls and say something like "you have control". It seems the junior pilot never took his hands from the controls as per training. Unbelievable. As a lay person, I am staggered by this failure. Just astonishing to have stalled the aircraft for that long.
One factor that I read that contributed to the crash was that the training was that the aircraft in 'normal mode' would not allow a stall, that is, the pilot can input a nose up attitude at maximum but the aircraft will only initiate max climb and not stall. My understanding is that the aircraft flight computers were in 'alternate mode' due to the failure of the pitot tubes, hence the aircraft did not have its usual stall protections and could be commanded into a nose up attitude that resulted in a stall. The junior pilot was of the belief that the aircraft would not put itself into a stall regardless of his input.
This smells like pilot suicide to me. One of the first things you learn as a pilot is how to get out of a stall situation, you pitch the nose down to add thrust
@@victoranthony9037 Did you read my comment? The pilot surely knew how to avoid a stall but he was mislead by his understanding of the alternate vs normal mode situation the flight computers were in
Indeed. He was stuck with that idea that the Airbus could not stall and forgot about alternate mode.
I doubt it. The stall warning sounded several times and then for a full minute continuously. You have to be dense AF to not at least consider that you may in fact be stalling, no matter what protections the plane has. Especially if you've been pulling back on the stick for several minutes straight.
@@Pratik4311 I agree, but the FO probably thought or assumed that because he had erroneous speed readings, that the stall stall warning was false too. He probably didn't trust the instruments anymore. He might've been thinking the stall stall warning was because his air speed was too low because the pitot tube froze up.
First officer Pierre is responsible to this disaster. The crew, after having realised that they are going to enter a thunderstorm cloud, and knowing that it wouldn't be safe by passing through the clouds, they would have best, immediately have started increasing their altitude to about 37000-38000 ft, by requesting the ATC for giving the clearance. This accident would have then prevented. Thank you TFC for creating such a nice and realistic video, and letting us know about this disaster. Condolences to everyone those who lost their loved ones in this accident.
I thought the video said they were out of ATC range and in dead air space? I do agree with you though. This accident could have been avoided if it hadn't been for the right seat FO.
Absolutely zero understanding of airdynamics. They were not pilots, they were operators who knew which buttons to push or release.
This is precisely what I keep thinking.
How do pilots not do the simple things like look at the FUCKING GYRO. How do they not feel the negative Gs that indicate the craft is falling!??
Indeed!!!
Except FO Pierre *didn’t* know when and what to release.
Snatch my words.......those two owl.....they were just operator.......every pilot must know general physics
Like your cars speedo failing (does happen) and you turning right instead of left, despite having the gear, throttle and forces to judge.
These pilots didn't think of waking up their captain???
The captain had taken a sleeping pill anyway. They did summon the captain back to the cockpit but it was a minute or so before he actually returned to the flight deck.
They did, but when he back, it was too late.
Total chaos. WTF? And the Captain was on his break?? Terrifying!
Total chaos! WTF? And the Captain was on his rest break?? Absolutely flying at its most terrifying..m
Pride and supposition are the mothers of fuck ups..!
Many of us try hard without success to be even accepted into aviation school. How da french fry did Pierre become a pilot?!
As a Frenchman, I would like to know. What a fool.
Dad was some armee de l'air pilot. Guess that was enough for AF.
Don't blame Bonin. Blame the airline for telling him the computer could fly it better.
Nepotism and Money are nice factors in the french system.
@@iamadreamer7461 That happens everywhere to be honest
While it's not ideal, losing the air speed indicator like this really wasn't that big of a deal. This is like travelling down a highway at 80mph, and then your speedometer goes out, and instead of just, yknow, driving the car to the next exit (where, in this case, the speedometer would start working again) you veer hard to the right and crash into the barrier. It just makes no sense whatsoever.
Bottom line.
The pilots didn't know how to manually operate the plane.
Exactly! Thats whats wrong with modern flying. Too many "poorly trained pilots", who don't fly as a hobby. They want to be a pilot but have never put in the time as private pilots. Also, one needs to consider the training their given and WHY they were passed on up the line. Too many Red flags but yet they were still allowed to be promoted.
That's the ongoing criticism of modern flight controls that automate almost everything: you can have 10,000 hrs. of flight time, and have practically no experience with manual flight as compared to someone who has 10,000 hrs. in a less-automated craft. The crew in the more complex craft has invested more of their training in debugging the controls, and therefore less in controlling the aircraft.
God bless you. U said the truest thing here. Without the auto pilot, they can't fly the plane
Right
Correct.
My heart beats so fast while watching this.. I couldn’t imagine the fear they had being inside this plane. Terrible.
Ani Avd wish they have parachute
Quentin Davis good thing they would have all died on Impact, making this whole situation easier for them to deal with
I cant watch these anymore I have high blood pressure and watching these does not help. I remember this story from when it happened and was under the impression that the thunderstorm knocked the plane out of the sky but indirrctly I suppose it was from the ice crystals in the pitot tubes.
MH17 was shot down but some of the passengers were still alive after the missile hit the plane. Imagine the fear they had during those times.
Yes the fear of knowing you’re going down is bad but plane crashes are usually very quick and painless deaths. You won’t feel a thing on impact.
I remember watching this on Air Crash Investigation. How can a qualified and trained pilot not know how to get out of a stall, everyone knows you must dive to gain speed and trade that speed eventually for altitude, SMH, RIP to those who lost their lives
The crazy thing about it is, they had initially plenty of altitude to recover from the stall. So sad.
sorry forgive me i know this is an old comment and i don't mean at all to defend his complete incompetence but i think the problem was bonin didn't actually believe they were in a stall at all even his final words were "but what is happening" i think the speed was reading inaccurate from the ice build up so he assumed all the other readings were wrong too and his knee jerk reaction whether due to anxiety or poor training was to pitch the nose up. i'll literally never understand it of all the crashes this one is the most haunting because it was so avoidable.
At first, Bonin thought he was overspeeding so he slowed down, and the altimeter said that the plane was going down but it wasn't, so he put the nose up. When the stall arrived, he for some reasons continued to put the nose up while the other copilot was putting the nose down and wasn't understanding why they were still stalling, but that wasn't working because Bonin took the commands before him.
Ikr? Even as a kid, I was taught about what a stall was during my elementary school years and how a pilot should correct for it
@@mechadoggy this accident goes to show just because a person is taught something doesn't mean they can execute it in real life! obviously that fo was not capable of handling situations in the air
I always come back to this crash. For me one of the most haunting and inexplicable ones. Bonin just had to let go of the pressure he was adding to the stick in order to put the nose down. That is a simple statement you say right now to yourself, but then we'll never really know what was going on in his head and what happened that night. Such a preventable disaster.
He probably did it on purpose to commit suicide but they don’t want people to know that / or the airline doesn’t want people to know that.
@@Zain-iv9yv Bonin was literally scared. He panicked and in his last words you can still sense that he was confused. So, therefore it's not about suicide or whatever you're concluding
I find myself getting anxious sometimes watching videos. The feeling of panic and helplessness I can't even imagine. Always well done
I totally felt anxiety during this
People nowadays depends too much on computerization (auto pilot), so once they are given manually control, they have no idea what to do.
ETERNITY 11 Yep
AirBus...?
Kind of like cell phones!
Even if the guy was actually flying the plane the whole time it would not have helped because all they would have to do is esentially what the autopilot was doing, keeping the plane at the same altitude and speed, kind of pointless. Pilots are there for when the computer can't fly in a straight line and this guy failed at his job due to the fact that thanks to not being able to keep the plane level for more than a minute. I'm sorry but the fact that the guy stalled the plane so easily in the first place means they were doomed from the beginning. However, the other officer should have taken control of the plane instead of critizing him after he found out he was stalling the plane. Also the captain failed to try to attempt to solve the issue and just sat in the jumpseat for no reason instead of taking control of his plane. In the end it was pierres fault but there's plenty of negligence to the other 2.
This is probably one reason I love cars with manual transmissions. Always giving you something to do, thus keeping focus.,
Shouldn’t probably watch this before going on a flight 🤦♀️
Blanche Jarvis Monnot
Did you make it safely?
@@Leshaun2002 i guess not
And that's what I'm doing right now. Awesome
as long as your flight company is not russian nor french, you'll be ok
@@Leshaun2002 should we be concerned about this? 😅😂😀
I’m from Brazil and every time I see any documentary about this crash makes me feel so emotional 😔
experience pilot is needed in every fly. he shouldn't sleep that long and leave the plane to the junior. this is a damn big mistake. what do pilots learn in their class.
Especially his choosing to do so when they were in that "dead zone" area over the Atlantic where there is no communication with the ground, and no radar surveillance.
I blame the plane design, Having side sticks is just a accident waiting to happen, if they had been traditional yolks the crew would have seen what the other was doing.
Why didn’t they have 2 COMPLETE flight crews (meaning 2 captains)? It’s crazy to have 2 rookies in control. Also, i noticed there was a 4th switch for heat to the sensor tubes. Why didn’t they turn that on with the engine and wing deice? And why didn’t Pierre taking his fucking hands off the stick when David said he had the aircraft? Too many crazy decisions....
@@i-love-space390 You'd have thought that the plane's designers would have anticipated the possible icing-up/obstruction of the so-vital pitot-tube and installed (built in) a heating-device that did away with the danger of a build-up of ice and snow. But maybe such a need was considered unlikely or an unnecessary expense by the sort of bean-counters who put passengers' safety and lives second to profit (see the story of the Ford "Pinto" car for more).
People get sloppy over time and it has fatal results: it happens to the best people who get hurried or tired or emotional and who then go and cut corners.
RIP my aunt died in that crash I’m still sad
RIP sorry to hear that
@Phantom Lemon I’m sorry for your loss 😔
sorry for that
oh my!...
my condolences to you and your family
Stop saying that word
R.I.P. All 228 passengers, aircrew and cabin crew. :(
Did they all die?
Jamie Jones the aircraft was flattened, it fall like a stone
Ahzaam Ahmed Mohamed, It was a cargo plane, only the pilot and co-pilot were on board.
juan alt no this had 200+ people
juan alt that was a passenger flight.
-It's 6000 miles away from here.
-No big deal. I'll walk.
although minted and interesting, being a pilot is probably one of the hardest and terrifying occupations out there. plane crashes are just creepy
Not really with the technology there is now the plane is actually flying itself and it’s the safest way to travel
but with the automation the natural skill of flying and the feeling for an airplane gets lost. And this opens the door for different kind of dangers. It´s the same with cars. If you always trust in ESP and this system breaks down, many will not be able to catch the sliding car, because they do not know what to do.
I donno ...car crashes are pretty freakin creepy as well...
Flying is so common and routine that these pilots are basically just driving an automated bus that just happens to have wings and can leave the ground.
even with the sophisticated system we have now, being a pilot still means that you're responsible for all the passengers lives. Sometimes the fine line betwen life and death is on the pilot's hands
"We've tried everything"... except for, you know, letting go of the damn control stick, Bonin.
sexy lips
@@369yew this is why you're single
@@jeanniemccreight2105 shut up kid i bet you're balls aint dropped yet
@@369yew ^another example as to why you're single
@@diani.___ are you like 5 years old kid. repeating the same thing you must be one of them angry incels lol i feel sorry for you kid.
me: "Is there any crew member named Pierre here?"
them: "uhm... there is..."
me: "aight Imma head out"
LOL
Plane: "STALL STALL *RING*RING*RING* STALL STALL"
F/O Pierre: "hehe sidestick go woosh"
LOL 🤣
🤣🤣🤣
Pierre: "If I pull on the sticky the airplaney goes up!"
for all the pilots.. please study and do your job well.. think of all your passengers life. one mistake you made they all gonna die. nobody is perfect but please be careful and take your job seriously.
They do, that's why airplanes are really safe to fly in, its just that there was this one dumbass in the cockpit who messed it up for the other two and eventually the whole plane and also cause of Airbus's messed up flight controls.
damn it pierre
p. s. god damn it Pierre
@sri rejeki What the hell is that supposed to mean? You think French lives aren't worth as much as Indonesian lives or something? What is wrong with you?
Pierre the knucklehead didnt know up from down
Anyone knows that if you keep the nose of an aircraft up to high , then it will stall , this is what you do in a light aircraft when you are doing aerobatics , you bring the nose of the aircraft up to stall it .
Some say Pierre had Down syndrom, but it seems to be the other way round.
@@minastronasse thats is up syndrome
No ithink he is gamer he reverse the joystic control i hope this will not happen again
I remember this really well. When the black box recordings were released and we all heard why this plane crashed, I actually vowed to never fly with Air France. Extreme I know, but the fact that so many people had to die for no other reason than the failure of two people to merely TALK to each other was just stunning to me.
DAMN PIERRE YOU ONLY HAVE ONE JOB !!
he killed them ALL. KILLER PILOT
Let's not make fun of other people tragedies. Ok? 👌
Pierres was a poor airman, its that simple
@@CrazeeFy not making fun, stating facts. His incompetence killed everyone. May their souls find peace while he answers for his transgressions
Q: What was the last thing going through Mr. Jones’ head when he was working on the World Trade Center’s 90th floor?
A: The 91st floor.
Pilot error? More like pilot incompetency!
Well said
Holy crap! The captain, after being told by BOTH FOs that "we've completely lost control of the AC", doesn't assume command and sits in the jumpseat? WTF? This whole thing was a comedy of errors.
i know!! wtf!! basically they give up!!..mother fuckers!!
Probably the captain is analyzing the fault.
And proven half-way correct.
Yes, Pierre did wrongly pull the nose back, however the capt doesn't instruct Pierre to follow David's way of controlling stick.
Still, he's missing the point; the pitot tube is not working due to trying to make the FOs cooperate each other.
If I could say, it's firstly FOs' fault, followed by Capt for not to instruct Pierre to follow the same way with David and as well as neglecting his own responsibility. Reminder, Capt's slightly higher resp. than Co-pilot.
Anyways, RIP for 'em.
Not much of a comedy with 200+ souls lost...
i know that was just fucking crazy!!..what a huge human error!!..it cost over 200 innocent lives!!
C. Camomille E. Arnabell you're completely wrong. No way for them to know the tubes froze. FO Bonin caused the crash. If he had never touched his stick, the plane would have never climbed and entered the intial stall.
And if he had stopped pulling back on the side stick, the plane would not have gone into the catastrophic stall.
The Smithsonian Channel has an excellent Air Disasters episode on this crash; the two FO's weren't even close to being equally responsible. The flying FO (Pierre) totally panicked from the outset, and successively made every wrong move imaginable in reacting to what was happening. The other FO eventually tried to take control and correct matters, but Pierre's insistence on pulling the stick back continuously thwarted the other's efforts. The side-stick design didn't help matters, as each of the two pilots couldn't see what the other was doing with the stick, as would have been the case with Boeing-style yokes ( a problem noted in the accident report and subsequently addressed by EADS).
He could simply have taken priority on the joystick.
When I was younger and getting into an aviation I could never comprehend the idea of the Airbus side-stick design. A computer keyboard taking the place of a steering yoke made me realise that these airlines really just want computers flying their planes.
@@tucker3601 the 777 and other modern Boeing aircrafts are not any different …..there may be a yoke but it still is a computer that flies the aircraft through the control, joystick or yoke
@@Bruno-tm3xo Yes, but as the show made clear, each pilot can see what the other is doing with his yoke; not so with the side stick.
@@Bruno-tm3xohe did but the other pilot took if off him again.
all you had to do was follow the damn procedures pierre!
To me it seems the most stupid accident ever....
RIP all those souls
When flying airborne over water, I always take some night quil and rack out so I don’t have to feel so Paranoid. It works like a charm.
flying airborne?
I just drink
I just do narcotics on the washroom. Theres one way to get to mile high club ;-). Lol
Added to my pre-flight to-do list thanks!
Scotch and ambien combo works for me
First Officer Pierre really really messed up...
He's fucked up.
he's a pussy, fucking stalled the plane out of nowhere
In AirFrance some people start to says that Pierre doesn't have his licence. Sorry for mistakes, I use a french keyboard with auto-corrector
@@Leo77w yes indeed, no licensed pilot would ever do that
@@Leo77w If he wasn't properly licensed, then why did Air France allow him in the cockpit behind the controls of a commercial civilian aircraft?
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Great vids.
Level of experience needed to know you have to dive down to get out of a stall: GTA
oh Pierre, what did you do...
He still doesn’t understand what he did wrong even at the very end.
@@captauron4514 True, he was a total idiot
The second the FO David said "we are going to crash".. Such a terrific and horrific moment crashing into an ocean that too at middle of the night.. Scariest crash ever in ocean.. I can't even imagine what will be the mindset of the captain and FOs when they understood they are gonna die in seconds crashing on the ocean floor.. Feeling pity on the souls who lost their lives without even knowing anything before they woke up from their sleep.. RIP souls
A family member is flight crew on Air France. We had quite an argument over this accident. It took me some time to find the courage to view this video, but I am glad I did. When two less-advanced anthropoids cannot work out if the plane is pointed upwards or downwards, and at a notable angle, and cannot see the altimeter dropping, they should not be delivering pizzas on mopeds. Pilots should not be allowed to be alone on the flight deck until they can fly a light aircraft in poor weather and with only the legal minimum of instruments. It was more like a story of two kids arguing over a simulator software than one of 2 supposedly qualified adults responsible for hundreds of lives. As for not realising you have your hand on the main control after you have told your colleague "You have control", surely that would get you thrown out of any training program for flying large aircraft. It's so elementary, I only believe it happened because I have learned about it on a credible source.
It was that Pierre dumbass that was the primary cause of this. FO David should've been more communicative but this was primarily caused by that Pierre dipshit.