Dr. Deborah Ruf about the Five Levels of Gifted
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Dr. Ruf shares her insights on the Five Levels of Gifted - research that has taken her decades to complete. She explains what the difference is between a moderately gifted and a profoundly gifted person.
Interview by Femke Hovinga, Talentissimo
I feel like given what was said, more parents should treat their children in accordance with the standards of higher intellect. this would allow unique intelligence to shine more overall. Especially when she says things like "(Smart kids) want to be appreciated for who they are, not their grades". I think children., by and large, want to be appreciated for their sense of self, not just for their grades etc. but when they are put into a homogeneous education system, as parents often do, you just end up with a bunch of children who are different versions of the same outcome.
IQ is lie
It is easier to act stupid than to interact with stupid people.
Or avoid them altogether
There is no such thing as stupidity only misunderstandings
No one is stupid if you learn how function the 16 personalities in depth, their 8 cognitives functions.
It just we function differently, process informations differently, preferences, just 16 different types of brain, psychological types.
That is a pretty stupid statement tbh, hard to believe you're having trouble with your kind
What's with the toxicity in the comment section? And the unnecessary flexing? I come hear to learn to ease my situation, but the comment section ends up either strangely hilarious or toxic. Be better, people.
That's unfortunately impossible they can't be better its like asking a gifted person to stop being gifted it's not that they choose to be that way that the level of their intelligence and abilities short of an accident that causes sudden savant syndrome they are as good as they are ever going be tragically.
@@ThomasDoubting5 I'm talking about the choices people are making about the toxic comments they're leaving. We all have morals, and we all have choices. I'm asking people to choose wisely.
Yeah it’s embarrassing
@Michael Lochlann What a beautiful way to describe an unpleasant eventuality. That was actually lovely to read lol
I agree completely. I was really disappointed by some of these comments, not to mention they miss the key point of the video (appreciate your children for who they *are*, not their intellect level) completely.
In Alabama the kids that were qualified as gifted, went to a “ gifted class” once a week. Then, they were made to make up all the work they missed from regular class the night of the gifted class bc “they should be smart enough to do the double work.” Many kids drop out of gifted bc of the double work.
I'm one of those, only I lived in Mississippi, and I think our class was twice a week. I wasn't told why I was in that class. They called it "creative enrichment".
Same in Ohio
Grade skipping is so much better. Look up the article on line, "A Nation Deceived"
Sounds like the kind of moronic stuff that only a public school system could devise. But, sometimes private is no better. One of my daughters was tested - actually, extrapolated out to - 170 on the Stanford-Binet LM. We had her in 1st grade at an expensive Catholic school in Maryland. The school refused to acknowledge any “special needs.” They allowed my daughter to bring her chess set to school. That was the extent of their accommodation.
I don’t know why but when I’m around certain people I pretend to be less intelligent than I am to accomodate to the person I am talking to.
That sounds like you have 'learned' to adapt yourself or even to lower yourself. I would suggest you stop doing that 😉
@@sacredbalancebe it’s more a form of diplomacy as sometimes you need to communicate in a manner that doesn’t offend.
@@smeargut1809 Yes, I understand that. That is something I also do
Same!
Good idea. Take advantage of them.
I felt so unhappy at school. I left school at 13. My whole life I studied by myself.
At 57 I have my own practice and I am a trauma coach.
Every day I study.
I have a tremendous growth mindset.
From the morning I wake up, I study.
Does your licensing board not require any degree of formal education?
the only thing keeping me alive is music
I want info on gifted adults
How should one go about moving forward if they think they're a certain level of gifted, but it wasn't necessarily honed when they were a child? (Moving schools a lot, single family household, poor, siblings with their own issues that required parental attention, etc). In my case, I'm now a young adult, and I feel really stuck. I don't even enjoy talking to most people anymore. I'm not a nihilist, but sometimes life feels nihilistic. By the way, I don't think I'm one of the profoundly gifted, but I think I'm up there somewhere on the spectrum. I've been thinking of emailing my past 4th grade teacher. I remember that she had noticed years ago when I was a kid that I was special back then. Maybe she could help guide me to a resource or something.
You're not alone in this cruel world, which can be especially cruel to those of us that possess facilities of perception that are more acute or more sensitive than the average persons. I found a lot of good information from the late Kazimierz Dabrowski, a polish psychiatrist who studied intellectual giftedness and the various overexcitabilities that often accompany it.
2:38 link?
I got a whole bunch of gifts for Christmas
Maybe you got all the gifts meant for me!
I have yet to meet a parent that describes their child as just average
I know a whole lot that can admit their kid is not intellectual.
Really? I knew a very nice kid who I worked with. His mother said that he would not be able to go to college because he wasn't smart enough.
The title of this video doesn’t match the content particularly well which is kinda an arrestable offence in youtube land !
Iq is lie
Simian
Tape up your camera that faces you for safer driving
me dumb
Profoundly gifted in Australia (my IQ tested at 7, 186, in 1970 because they thought I was ‘defective’) meant a life of total grimness because being a) female and b) the offspring of a single mother who was a violent borderline, my mind was bound like a mummy. I won scholarships I couldn’t take up; school and being around non gifted individuals was agony.
Four of my offspring were/are HEP, two of them are adults now, my 14 year old teaches himself everything and we wish that we lived in Europe because living as a PG in Australia absolutely sucks- being HEPG in Australia if you’re not into STEM sucks. Here in Australia giftedness isn’t seen as an aspect of psychology so once you’re out of the school system any and all support ceases; given that my youngest never set foot in a school it’s meant we never had the support.
For the extra cherry on top we’re almost entirely an Autistic family also, huzzah! I’m 58 now and being PG made me an alien in a world I simply cannot be bothered trying to navigate anymore, so I live in the forest.
what do you do for fun? genuinely interested
Parent of a PG kid here. Family is currently living in London. AWFUL for HG and PG kids. If you think Europe is better off than The UK, good luck. (perhaps other European countries are better). The biggest problem for us is that our kid skipped two grades in The US and still made straight A's,....and most importantly was very happy. England will not allow grade skipping and as a consequence the kid is sitting with age peers. We're heading back to The US sooner than we were supposed to have left. Kid loves calculus, algebra, and geometry. They're just now introducing algebra. UGH. Teachers won't even acknowledge them when they raise their hand anymore. "We KNOW you know the answers, " they say scornfully.
In what scale? Because Wechsler scale measures only up to 160. If you "break" that barrier, you are left without knowing your IQ. Thanks 😊
As it was 1970, I imagine Binet LM, no? That one goes/went over 200@@angelessantamariablanco
@@alanwhite933 thanks. 😊
My parents knew I'm smart, but couldn't guess my IQ, especially in my time when childhood was naive and we didn't even know there's an IQ test.
I didn't get any special help or education, studied normally with everyone else, no gifted classes, yet i got high grades in every profession and class, without too much of an effort, and with an excellent photographic memory, which most other kids had to work hard and do loads of homework and private tutoring, and nearly get to my scores, so i think the biggest difference is that the higher IQ you have, the easier it is to walk through the system's old dated teaching system, but it won't necessarily secure a good job or a financial future, because this isn't a just and wise world we live in, but an average one. I'm 47 years old, Jewish, 147 IQ.
I was tested wtih 143 IQ as a child. I can see what you mean by needing to be loved for who you are. Even as an adult, some people will outright hate me just because I have high IQ. I've never done anything to harm them. Many people will just outright hate you if they learn you are intelligent.
I didn't ask to be this way. If I can find a way through life that works for me and the people around me then that's great. But for some reason many despise my mere existence. It's pretty awful. I'm a person like anybody else.
Im gifted and other ppl including my family :(, only see me as a walking brain. We only talk about the things I can do and thats it (for example my job, or projects)
Got a gifted family too (not me as much) but I understand how you feel
Me and my two other siblings,alongwith my mother are all gifted too...
Hii! I see myself a lot in the characteristics of a gifted person, except for that I am not particularly intelligent.
I'm in high school right now and I have symptoms of ADHD depression, bipolar disorder, hypersensitivity and anxiety. It took me a lot of courage, but I eventually talked with my mom about it. Even though she is always the one calling me out for being too messy, lazy, disorganized, moody, enthusiastic, impulsive, sensitive, anti-social and depressed she told me there's no way that I have any of these mental disorders.
Well, to get to the point, I believe my brain is indeed wired differently and as I've never been diagnosed with anything it's, firstly hard for me to find a way around the negative aspects that come with it and secondly, understand and be able to get the most of my "disfunctional" or rather differently working brain.
I'm on the way of bettering myself and doing quite a lot of research, but I still feel very alone in my situation and needs (also because I don't even know what I need...). So if anyone reading this has some advise or similar story I'd really appreciate if you could share it with me.
Thank you 😊
I will say this, don't expect too much from a YT comment section.
Now that's out of the way, feed the positive emotions more than you feed the bad. The perks you get from your symptoms makes you better at particular things than other people. I'll leave it with this, good luck with it ❤️
Izuku, start with your high school counselor. They'd be in a position to help. From a distance, i don't think your mom's attitude will help - in fact, your description makes her sound (possibly) verbally abusive. In and of itself, that will cause the negative emotions and anxiety you're alluding to. Chat with your counselor.
You may very well be gifted but your intelligence is not necessarily in academics you could be emotionally gifted, or socially, etc
The way you describe yourself fits ADHD! I've been like that all my life. My mom told me I was gifted, but ADHD wasn't diagnosed (at least for girls) in my school days 1970s-8b0s. I wish I'd known back then and could've gotten essentail supports and might have saved me from from cruel comments my my family gave me and could've saved myself from decades of dysfunction I was finally diagnosed at age 44 (2009), but there were no supports for ADHD locally until this year, and giftedness was only acknowledged in primary school. We had an additional class where a few students did creative projects twice a week. Your mom likely she doesn't know much about the conditions, or she buys into the stigma and doesn't want that for you. Anyway, her comments are hurtful. Please try not to take this to heart. Talk with your school counsellor as suggested. Persist. Good luck!
Your mother is right: those so-called diagnoses" are the unscientific fictions that generates careers!
Looking forward to your updated book. Your first book was so helpful and was a catalyst in getting our third gifted child assessed and then changing his educational path to self contained gifted school.
Deborah:
Read "Summerhill School" by A.S. Neill.
I wanna know if you didn’t have this how do you heal from that
I feel I really need to speak with you, is that possible?
There should be six levels. Tiktok at bottom
Two hundred thousand million levels.
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I need help im a gifted child that got kicked out of school when i was 14 because they "couldn't handle my behavior" apparently (it was a public school and they told me i could not learn Japanese because my engish spelling is bad and i need to get better at english to be able to learn japanese but i knew that was a load of bs from the start i confronted them from the start, then i became tp have trust issues for the school then they kicked me out..) i am 19 now and i am a 2e (aspergers) j want to talk to people with high iq's so i can better judge and understand my level of intelligence so i can know better whaf i can do.
I wanted to learn many languages back in the day to prepare me for my future jobs. But my chance is now delayed further than i wanted.
When i was 5 i told my parents i wanted to go to prison (because prison was my understanding of death at the time)
Hi there fellow. I don't believe I have a high IQ, although I grew very curious on the concepts of Twice Exceptionality. (2E+)
Clearly this comment sections kinda inactive .. :{
it sounds like we have a lot in common lmao
No.
Interesting.
One very good way to manage this is to have parents becoming aware that the burden of educating their children rests primarily on their shoulders. They should spend their time with the children not working long hours and getting involved into whatever campaign.
I have a question. Does this lady or anyone else advocate for children who are ‘in the middle’ ie without a learning disability and without a high IQ? What about them?
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Had to stop at 3:37 mark. Total waste of time.
Your not respecting knowledge from all perspectives, there is no such thing as stupidity only misunderstandings
What's wrong with it? All of the advice is just basic common sense... right?
3:44 for me. I feel you
@@caiqueportolira she's just rambling about BS. I thought this was about something else but I was mistaken
@@PokrPro21 That's right, you're mistaken
When she talks about IQ, what scale is she supposed to be referring to?
Most likely the Wechsler intelligence scale. (Both adult and childrens versions)
i stopped listening when i heard the lie " a parent doesn't have the right to home school " listening any further would be like knowing there's dog shit in my favorite bit of cake and eating it none the less
4:16 it's almost at the end and I already ate 2 pieces of cake 🤮
You stopped listening because she is speaking to someone in the Netherlands where homeschooling is illegal? Why this is a lie?
Terrible gu you know that
Gu?
So if genetics equal iq she being racist ??
She was quite obviously speaking of parent to child genetics. Always a possibility of genetic anomaly as well.
@@joshuawilliams6188 sure the outliers on the high end can pop up in any population ... but parents have genes and that means others do not .. at some point family genetics is expanded to larger groups of similar DNA configuration.. she did not mean to but she SAID it as it is the logical extension of what she done said ... and bye bye
@@M-dv1yj Well, the only correct conclusion is, since research and studies suggest this statement's validity, that nature itself is racist. Good luck dealing with that.
Edit: Including a popular meme: "gonna cry?"