Matt Damon REVEALS Why Movies Suck Today | Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2022
- Krystal and Saagar give their thoughts on Matt Damon's explanation for why movies today are worse than they used to be
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The fact that Saagar just discovered Hot Ones is both baffling and hilarious.
Pretty sure he’s being glib.
@@cameron3351 He's not, though. It's hilarious "first and feast" he said!
IKR
It was low key like my dad telling me about hot ones
Bro he’s a dork dc kid… come on now
Krystal and Saagar, I’m 36, and I even know what Hot Ones is. Sean is one of the best interviewers out there, super thoughtful and thorough.
I'm pretty sure he was doing a bit
I don't know how old they are, but 36 is not old either, especially not old enough to not be aware of pop culture or shows like The Hot Ones. You're right in the exact demographic for it. I think you'd have to be at least over 50 to start to not be aware of young folk stuff
I’m 40 and I watch Hot Ones, “First We Feast” is what he meant lol
I'm 48 and know what Hot Ones is. Hell, my mom who is 76 might even know what it is.
My parents are 60 and 64 and they watch Hot Ones… H.O. gets the largest figures in pop culture on their show while those figuring are promoting their new endeavor. How they’ve never heard of Sean Evans before now is wild.
It's really very difficult to make a lush, thought-provoking film today when half the movie-going audience have the attention span of a 3rd grader.
So many sources of entertainment. Why waste time on any one of them if it doesn't grab you from the very beginning and keeps you captivated?
@@ouknow1446 Not sure if you're trolling or being serious.🤔
@@alexojeda9048 Asks the person who just posted that half the movie-going audience have the attention span of a 3rd grader and you're not sure about me? Go figure.
@@ouknow1446 Obviously your questions are convoluted. What makes you think he wastes anytime of a source of entertainment that doesn't captivate him? Frankly you're missing the point. So much for go figure.
@@outlawfly664 I have to figure out why are you missing what should be simple. My comment was a question. Do you understand "question"? My question is meant for you to consider that attention spans are short because of so many other alternatives to give attention to. Got it?
Matt Damon is one the only famous actors that appears to not have let the stardom get to his head. He seems like a pretty genuine guy.
I mean partly yes, but then he goes and tells people to buy crypto. That made me dislike him somewhat. Seems like deep down he's just another celeb that will do anything for a buck. I mean the celebrity lifestyle is cash flow dependent.
Tell that to Matt Stone and Trey Parker lol.
Keanu Reeves
@@ollipolli4799 you people who dog on celebrities crack me up. But I bet you follow what these douche righties tell you, even when they have zero knowledge of what they talk about. Your envy is palpable
He’s great.
Krystal is spot on. In movies, in music and even in advertising. Remember when ads used to make you laugh? Creativity is not something we see much of anymore.
yes and much of what is on today is woke garbage with 'the message' forced fed to the fools.
go woke, go broke?
The Shapiro Studio seems to be doing allright.
What bugs me the most is the same ,loud garbage annoying music effects in both adds and literally EVERY movie trailer 🤮
Like geeeezzz. Can’t they do something different ? That robotic whiplash is ANNOYING
Personally, I think there are parts of the music industry that are more creative than ever before.. niche indie stuff is totally blasting off
@@eneveasi For a very long time, I have not heard anything from the music industry "more creative than ever before". But I'll bite....hit me with three examples.
On the contrary, we have created so much that the creative industries are over saturated with artists who aren't really breaking the mold and are just trying to recreate greatness.
I knew that when Dubstep became a thing that music had reached a point of no return. It is damn near impossible to be an original these days.
Counter-cultures are getting swooped up and commercialized before they even have time to flourish.
Most movies these days feel like they are random ideas of corporations to check off all the boxes. But they don’t tell a story anymore. They know comic book movies cause they make money.
They don't know comic book movies based on the last round of films that came out.
Ask a comic fan if they actually know comic movies lol
@@malod ask a comic fan is the biggest hell no for anything
This is absolutely 100% true!
@@MaximumCarne i would take it a step further & say ask a fan of any genre that follows canon.
I LOVE Matt Damon. He was the best actor in "Team America."
MaaaTT Daaaamon xD
His head is screwed on straight. He is very liberal but calls out the woke. What he nearly got cancelled for--saying there are nuances in sexual offenses, and rude language is not the same as rape--is just plain true.
He was really great in Oppenheimer and Air.😎
Not gonna lie, I really like hearing them talk about lighter stuff like pop culture just as much as the "real news" - would love to see more segments like this!
Would actually like them to do journalism if they're actually referrign themselves as journalists. Otherwise they comment on other people's works.
why would you lie about that?
@Bachomp Bachewiechomp It's just a figure of speech lmao
Me too, so sick of pollitics.
(Thanks for not lying.)
Saagar crawls out from under a rock. "Oh look! I found Hot Ones!"
LMAO "First One Feasts"
LOL FORREAL!
@@JAYBRNZ 😂
So 2016
LMAO!!!
Boomer moment at the start of this clip
Boomer millennial moment
For real. Hot Ones is a huge show and fairly viral on this platform.
😂😂😂
yeah sean evans is one of the greatest internet interviewers its kinda shocking they dont even know who he is or his super popular show
boomer is a mindset. saager is 100% an actual wet blanket lmao
I think part of the problem is the corporate takeover of Hollywood. Too many people who aren't artists and have no appreciation of art and artists being put in charge of things. And I think the next thing is, because all content is available 24/7 from so many outlets, it not only cheapens the experience, but also it's immediately obvious how much content is not for them. When you can endlessly scroll through channels and movies and see just how much content you have no interest in whatsoever, it's a big turnoff.
What you mean corporate takeover? Hollywood was always owned by big corporations for a very long time, with only a few great movies done by independent movie makers.
@@Alkis05 Not to the degree that it is now...........There was a time where even ''bad movies'' were actually good and now it's like everything is the same where people just want to preach to you instead of entertaining.
@@MakeMeCare89The difference between Hollywood in the 1970s and today is that audiences have much greater expectations. Special affects were just getting started and the budgets were low compared to today. Why would you go see a movie that looks like high school kids made when you can see the avengers 10. There are a few independent studios putting out good movies but the vast majority of the independent studios are small for a reason. Money talks and audiences vote with there wallet.
@@xxjr8axx that made absolutely no sense at all.......What does that have to do with seeing a good movie?
@@MakeMeCare89 I think it has been equally bad in different aspects, actresses in the 40s (what is considered the golden age of cinema) were subjected to so much abuse to please the studio executives. Just google what happened to the actress who played Dorothy in the Wizard of Oz, they basically turned her into and addict so she could keep up with the filming schedule.
I think we’re actually seeing a resurgence in new, original voices in film atm. The Safdie brothers, Daniels, Ari Aster, Sean Baker, Jordan Peele…
Though these films are usually smaller budget (~$5m) and made outside the big studio system. The era of big budget mainstream films with original stories is pretty much over, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t still plenty of talented young directors out there with unique visions and smaller studios willing to bet on their success.
The film industry definitely isn’t what it used to be, but there’s still plenty of original stuff being made these days
Love Jordan Peele skits with Keagan. Find his movies boring.
@@007Hutchings I thought Get Out showed a lot of potential but was still far from perfect. Us was more refined but a little on the nose. NOPE, however, was incredible imo. Really excited to see what he does going forward now
Hot Ones routinely gets surprisingly good answers from their interview questions. It seems like struggling with the spice really seems to short-circuit the surface level preprogrammed pr responses. Also helps that they routinely do well formulating interesting questions, far more so than typical celeb interview shows.
Sean is a fantastic interviewer
And by the time you make it to "The Bomb" (#8) you are fully focused on the burn. Your brain is not thinking about filtering responses. The Bomb has a delayed burn that is searing!
I just found this show. This is a really good analysis of why the Q&A is above all others.
@@David-kg5nn No, he's decidedly average. It's all in the chilies.
The host is fantastic. You can tell the dude does a deep dive on his guests and catches them off guard his questions are so original
I get Damon's point about making 'arthouse' movies, but the issue was born before streaming services really took off. Hollywood was taking less and less risks when movies studios were bought by large corporations, and when streaming came along, a lot of the best writers especially went there, because there was more room (literally, spinning a story over many episodes) to have their ideas produced. Hollywood was partly responsible for the situation it is in, and it digs in even deeper with regurgitation, while the audience hungers for a much more varied diet.
In the past, the big tent productions, like the Indiana Jones, would give the artists some money to go and make their art house or passion films. But with streaming services, its so measured now, they know what you watch, for how long, and exactly where in a movie or series you pause or just give up entirely. They will only produce things that have the same components that "work".
Sort of disagree...I could never see a movie like Team America being distributed in theaters these days....that was less than 20 years ago. Sad, but glad I got to live through that time culturally...😑
your point makes sense, but i have a hard time thinking the best writers went to streaming... the writing on netflix is literal ass...
Exactly. I agree with Damon, but I don't think its giving us the full picture. Box office sales have sunk but not by much. What has really changed with the percentage of profits Hollywood is getting from box office sales. Its about 30 percent. The rest? Streaming, direct purchases, and merch from franchises. The industry's market cap has been consistently rising despite streaming and piracy.
So of they're making way more money than they ever had before, how come some of that isn't going into lower budget films that are more experimental? Is it because there's more care that goes into making profits or is it because they can't afford to anymore?
Regardless the solution is super clear to me. Reduce the cost of production and marketing dramatically and you'll get more nuanced content that we enjoyed in the before time.
This also happened with the music industry. Large labels bought out so many of the small ones, and while some of the small labels may still be around in name, they are now in the hands of labels that have a lot more overhead. The larger overhead means that less risks can be taken because there are larger investments and more investors to appease. There is also the issue in both industries where they go all in on certain projects or artists and give way more money to those projects than what would actually be needed, and thus a lot of movies and music being made need way more money to even break even. This also leaves less money to invest in smaller projects or artists.
The advertising for The Last Duel was abysmal -- essentially non-existent. I'm a huge history buff, and a lover of Ridley Scott's films, especially Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven, and his premier film from 1977, similarly called The Duellists, yet I only heard about The Last Duel about a day before its release. I'm all over the internet every day, and not once before it came out had I heard anything or anyone talking about it. The marketing department of that film has much to answer for.
that movie was terrible though
The last Duel Sucks ass
Most gung-ho, brave, tough moviegoing lads like me who loved Gladiator and films of that ilk shied away from The Last Duel when we found out it centered around some wife getting raped story. Had it been a story set in the same time period about Frenchies fighting English knights or something, with Matt Damon and others, I would have seen it in the theater, but I just ended up renting it later. No real interest in the premise.
@@joshorourke4985How was it terrible? It was well written and acted, beautifully shot, had excellent set and costume design etc. It used the Rashomon structure fantastically by showing how three different characters perceived the same events in different ways. It also had thematic depth, unlike many big budget films. And on top of that it was faithful to the historic event that inspired it. What did you dislike about it?
@@seanolaocha940 I totally disagree that it effectively used the Rashomon structure. It abused the Rashomon structure most heinously! Rashomon delicately displays alternate perspectives to create profound ambiguity. This movie makes you sit through the same thing over and over like a torture chamber, repeatedly cramming its simplistic ideological lard down your throat.
The Northman is an amazing art house viking epic that cameout this year! So overlooked but definitely shows art is still alive but under mass radars.
I really really really miss the video industry, and the video shops! we used to spend hours discussing movie selections with other humans in video shops, both other shoppers and employees. The films were arranged by genres and novelties, and the selection was all the theatre selection, and more.
The internet has been catastrophic at so many human levels.
The streaming companies are WAY too expensive.
Searching for a new movie from the wall that wasn't an empty case and an older one from the aisle to get the combo deal while waiting for your pizza or hot chips to cook next door
I was just thinking the other day that shopping has become a very dull and depressing experience... Shopping day used to feel like an exciting trip out. My local supermarket used to devote an entire floor to entertainment. Aisle after aisle of DVDs, books, games and CDs. With the gaming kiosks in the centre. Plus there was the bargain bin, which felt like winning the lottery when you found something you really wanted dirt cheap.
Now it's just one shelf of books, and one small section of a shelf for a handful of new games. They don't stock physical music or films at all now. The upstairs floor that used to be the entertainment section is now a restaurant and clothing department.
@@teleplayer605 holy shit, I’m in my 20s, grew up in SE Asia, and I know _exactly_ what you mean.
That description gave me whiplash back to when I was in shopping areas when I was younger. I didn’t even realize how different it has become until you pointed it out.
Too much access, availability and convenience dulls the pleasure, anticipation and even experience of the movie or music itself. I remember going to the music store and buying an album and would open it up, look through the booklet inside and all the artwork, check to see if the lyrics were there and truly owning it and having it in my hand meant something that downloading something in seconds can never replace.
Well most people share accounts. When netflix stops that, everyone will go the illgal route for netflix stuff. Most steaming sites, will allow you to share accounts.
I went to see the Last Duel in theaters in the middle of the pandemic. We were the only people in the theater. It truly was a great movie.
I watched it with some friends a few months ago and we all thought it was feminist garbage.
I saw it in theater as well! I took my mom to go see it. Afterward she said “I understand why this movie isn’t doing well.” We both thought the movie was a fantastic piece of art. It is easy to understand that a period piece with a purposefully repetitive story, violence, and a rape scene did not perform well. The marketing was tough too, I had no idea the movie came out until after it flopped and I went to go see it.
@@mattturner5429 Oddly enough, it had the exact opposite critique by most. Idk I thought it was a well done. and a risky yet compelling way to tell a story like that
I plan on seeing this soon. It seems really good and I'm confused why it failed
Me too. Saw it in theaters and I was just amazed by it and thought what a shame no one was watching it in theaters because it was a really good film. But then I also thought well maybe I just like sucky films lol. I’m glad I’m not alone.
I like when you two break down pop culture. You're both smart and insightful and offer valuable commentary. Art is such a critical piece of who we are and it's a shame when the market prohibits great art from being made.
Most movies assume some kind of activism; they cant help but put in the "The Message" into the film. People are sick of it. Characters don't struggle and overcome, instead they are born with skills and excellence. Over reliance on CGI over actuakl character development - its a shallow, politicised hot mess.
Sean Evens is the best interviewer working today. He's a friendly interviewer bc the show is not confrontational. He asks great questions, and you can tell him and his team have dug deep to ask interesting questions. The hot wings kind of tear down the walls to get honest answers. It's a great show. I recommend everyone watch it. The wings, and his questions seem to break down the walls. I would be shocked to see a politician on the show, but it's great fun.
Aside from Narwuar
Who cares
He's the pop-culture version of Tyler Cowen in interview ability.
@@xxxxOS apparently you care enough to say something
@@xxxxOS apparently a lot of people care bc millions of people watch
I'm with you on "The Last Duel" Saagar. It was an incredible film and story.
Cool, I gotta check it out, but I did not hear about it until it was out. The Northman had a much better ad campaign and fared better despite being an arty historical drama. I saw that in theatres
Sogood
I just looked it up, it’s on Disney+. I’ll have to check it out.
It felt like the same story getting told over and over and over and over again if I'm honest.
@@Bonesawisready926 I just want to make sure that was a serious statement or was it more of a humorous take on the movie. Not trying to be snide, just wondering. A story told from the point of view of the three people involved. But it wasn't exactly the same story. Each person looked at it and presented it with differences. That was the whole point.
I watched mostly movies made before the 1960s. They're definitely exciting. They've got a lot of morals and messages and great acting and beautiful people. And you can actually see most of them on UA-cam now.
A must see; HBO’s “Six Feet Under” which began in the early 2000s. It’s set the standard for the series that we see so often on all the platforms.
What's frustrating is that physical media technically isn't even "obsolete" in the strictest sense that 4K blu-ray still offers superior video quality to streaming. But people seem to be content with just not owning any of the movies they watch anymore, despite the increasing number of streaming services and fragmentation of the market.
I personally still purchase physical media when it's actually good and warrants it. Love my movie/game collection.
Most people, including me, don't really care that blue ray or watever looks better. Streaming looks good enough.
Breaking Points is full of crap. So is Matt Damon. I guarantee that Top Gun will break records with their DVD and 4k sales. All you need to do is make a good flick and they'll make billions because people are so hungry for just a good story instead of propaganda
The last thing I want is to own 100s of movie disks and boxes. What are we savages? It's the 21st century.
@@joshvarga3591 Same here. I'm a stickler for picture quality, and besides that I genuinely love certain movies enough that purchasing them on physical media as part of a collection is a must. The artwork on the covers of the blue-rays, the booklets, the supplemental material....love all that stuff.
I guess I'm just old-fashioned.
Sagaar: "A lot of old people don't listen to new music anymore." New 'music' is corporate manufactured disposable crap lacking in artistic quality. Two of the top five best selling albums of all time belong to Pink Floyd. Neither Elvis nor the Beatles could accomplish it. Nonetheless, they were all talented artists.
These days, we listen to sounds that couldn't even be produced by a human being (without auto-tune and studio magic etc). Artists aren't people, they're products, assembled by a team. If you worship fakeness and impossible beauty standards, are we really surprised people are now trying to graft their bodies and self-image to turn themselves into a bunch of vapid barbie dolls?
I go to local bars to listen to real music. Sounds old fashioned, but there are good musicians out there in the regular world. Live is best.
Shit that has never been mainstream like Death metal is still good. Just don't listen to the mainstream. Most people could find music they like if they dig a little.
Bullshit there’s amazing music dropping all the time-popular stuff is shit yes, but there’s been some awesome releases over the last few years
@@nicholasvogt5123 Yup. Luckily music is relatively low cost to produce (some metal bands like Periphery just do it from their houses). You can find amazing stuff that was independently made.
Pop music nowadays is dog shit, and honestly makes me feel like such an old man because sometimes it grosses me out. You know there was a pop song called "Throat Baby" that came out last year? Like, this is what 7 and 8 year olds are hearing regularly?
Matt Damon forgets to mention that the actors still get paid 25 to 30 million dollars. The cuts are coming from everywhere else; including the crew members. If actors actually cared about the art, they would take a pay cut.
Exactly! Damon whining that he can’t do a passion project for under $100 million is rich…in all senses of the word.
"Eating the seed-corn" is so amazingly spot on. Disney has been the worst offender, literally stopping all other new story development to mine their old content, but it's become an obsession in Hollywood -- almost as though the company executives don't want to even pay writers for prospective projects that could get them out of this rut... it's so much cheaper to buy scripts and take 30 gambles on small projects than to pump hundreds of millions out these massive remakes, only for audiences to roll their eyes when it comes out. Indiana Jones, Ghostbusters, matrix, jurassic park, alien movies -- all are $$$s that could have gone towards new tent-pole films of Today
The Last Duel was a beautiful movie. Great sets, costumes, actors , story and one of the best directors. It's a shame it didn't make money. Top Gun Maverick is the exception. A great movie that banked and still is grossing big time.
And yet top gun wasnt all that great. The end was really ridiculous and the CGI was bad. Yet it's still the best movie I've seen in a very long time.
I'll have to check it out. I watched the trailer, saw Ben Affleck with an albino goatee and just went "Nope!", shallow as hell I know....
It really wasnt well promoted
@@moloney55 It's got one of the best knight duels ever. The only other duel of that kind comparable is "El Cid" starring Charleston Heston. A great movie shot sometime in the sixties, I believe. That is also worth a look.
@@cartrips9263 Which CGI? From what I've read most of the stuff was real with VFX overlays to make it look like planes were different models or the actors were flying them
There's something about Matt Damon that makes me feel like I can really trust him, ya know. Especially about crypto currencies!
Lmao
Lol
Fortune favors the brave. He said so!
HAHAHA
In space, no one can hear you scream when you discover the reality of crypto
About The Last Duel:
My first reaction was, I'm sick and tired about European old tales of bourgeoisie, aristocracy, and battles. The whole setting for me just felt like I was tired of movies about that type scenario, just like movies about World War 2, or Shaolin Kung fu, I've watched way too many, and now it's hard for me to get excited about these types of movies. Until a friend of mine watched it and loved it, and told me to give it a shot. It was so worth it!
The last duel was amazing!! Great talking points: liked and subscribed :)
To Saagar's original point, The Last Duel also flopped because it was made under previous ownership (20th Century Fox) before Disney bought all its entertainment properties. By the time the merger happened, Disney couldn't care less about the Last Duel so they essentially dumped it in theaters because of contractual obligations for a theatrical release before they could put it on a streaming service. A lot of movies made with 20th Century Fox were dumped in theaters, even some of their arthouse fare like Del Toro's Nightmare Alley.
The revenue stream is a lot different than theatrical. Streaming relies on people being subscribed to services so they spend money on content. Theatrical was a studio that makes a movie, they release it exclusively to theaters for 90 days then it comes to the home video mass market. I will say services are investing a lot in filmmakers that normally would not get the same amount of creative control or budgetary freedom from a standard theatrical studio.
The reason Scorsese made the Irishman with Netflix was that no studio wanted to give him the money he needed to make, for as long a runtime he wanted to make. His next movie, Killers of the Flower Moon, is being backed by Apple. Studios don't want to invest in the filmmakers that made their studio as popular so now streaming has to pick up the slack because they can make valued content because the filmmakers are brands onto themselves.
Hell, Netflix just released a teaser today for Noah Baumbach's adaptation of White Noise, a Don Delillo novel, with a speculated budget of up to $100 million. That's insane (if true), so I would say to Saagar and others that the adult dramas do exist, they just get lost in the ether because there's simply too much content and entertainment to pay attention to that a lot of it slips into obscurity.
Agreed. The Last Duel would have rocked as a 5-part mini-series, streamed.
So much of what's wrong with movies is Disney shitting on/ruining almost everything. they touch.
The problem with the Irish men was it just wasn't that good. The actors were to old and not believable. The story was mostly based on a lie and really was kind of boring.
You touched on this so I am going to respond. The streaming services have too much content so each project does not get the special attention it deserves. Unlike the way the film studios marketed each film.
The type of audience that would have gone to the Last Duel and Nightmare Alley stopped going to theaters.
Given how in touch Saagar is with popular culture and how popular Hot One's is, I'm really surprised Saagar wasn't familiar with the show at all. Sean Evans is one of the best interviewers.
Nardwuar the human serviette is numero uno but Sean is solidly the second best in North America lol.
11 million subs but he’s surprised 😂
Me too but I guess it’s hard to pay attention to everything
I thought he was joking at first. Wild stuff.
@@noahziegler3478 🙄
I miss DVD's and the artwork/books and collectible art and featurettes that came with them.
Let’s not forget how expensive it is to go to the movies. When I was a teen in the 80s you could spend a little money for a few hours of entertainment. Today it’s a lot of money and people (of all ages) would rather spend that money elsewhere. Entertainment like this isn’t affordable anymore. You have to budget it is as a special occasion which takes the spontaneity out of it. Takes some of the enjoyment away. If you walk away disappointed you realize you just spent a weeks worth of groceries on something you didn’t really enjoy
The Last Duel was like a remake of the 50s Japanese masterpiece Rashomon, in which you are shown three versons of a story from th eperspectives of three people involved. Each very different versions with overlapping common script.
Really enjoyed it
I actually thought it didn’t work. It was almost obvious the rapist would not see his aggression in that manner and was predictable. More than anything it just slowed things down for me.
Great movie. Was it truly based on Roshamon? If it was I might watch it. Roshamon was awesome.
@@sbeaber Same themes. Man and wife, third man rapes wife, each tells the story differently from own perspective; there is a trial to decide (by combat in this case).
I would not put it so high as Rashomon. But the film undoubtedly inspired. Struck me pretty quickly. A lot grimmer skies though
Kurosawa joints are the best joints
@@sbeaber Very well done movie, check it out!
The youtube channel is called First We Feast and the show is called Hot Ones, come on Sagar and Krystal lmao.
Shows how thoroughly they research things 🙄
made me facepalm lol
Top notch journalism
Jesus, does comedy fly over people's heads these days? He told you their subscriber count but not the name? are you sure he didn't know the name and it wasn't just a bit?
@@sassycaterpillar6631 if you think that was a joke you need to work on your social skills haha
There are a lot of factors and the one that I would like to add is that the allure of going to the cinema has become or reserved to the high budget action and/or special effects films. People now prefer to watch indie, arthouse, drama, comedy, etc movies at home because of easier access to the material from renting online and streaming sites/apps. Add that to the high prices of cinemas.
'The Last Duel' flopped due to marketing, it wasn't being pushed by the studio all over social media or online in general, wasn't being pushed physically on billboards, at metros, shopping malls..etc. The film basically commited suicide by not doing this.
Quentin Tarantino said the same thing. It is getting more difficult to take risks in Hollywood, especially when seeking funding.
Just finished watching A Scent of a Woman, a timeless classic of a gem movie. Made me laugh, cry, and cheer. I doubt in this day and age that we live in it would make a lot in the box office let alone get made...
Cider House Rules, Pay it Forward, Good Will Hunting, The Dead Poets Society, Coming Home, and so many more would NEVER make it in todays market!!
@@LostintheTwilightZone Yes those movies would get made. They are compelling stories and right now there's a gold rush to find the next one.
its common misconcepton that good movies must be succesfull in a blockbuster type of succes
There are two versions of A Scent of a Woman. The original one is an italian movie from 1974, the 1992 version is just a remake. Which one are you talking about?
@@walter_the_danger 1992. Had no idea there was another movie with the same name thanks
The opening line really sets the tone for the type of finger on the pulse journalism these two offer.
Movies that are not well known, and are low - medium budget but are great:-
Layer Cake
Snatch
The Drive
Zodiac
The Lives of Others (German)
Matt is trustworthy and honest. It only took him 20 years to call out Weinstein. He also watches out for the little guy, urging small investors to buy crypto.
“Fortune favors the brave”
Luna is only for the brave…….and the stupid.
Well it comes down to personal responsibility. Do your research and learn about what people are offering you. Celebrities are the last people you should look to be your role models or taking advice from. 😂
damn. you win.
@@integralmark Detached unrelated virtue signaling is a big winner with leftoids & squibs.
The Last Duel was a beautiful piece of art. Surprised it didn’t garner more attention considering the messaging. I realized long ago we won’t be getting movies like we used to. Just like music. I thought it was just greed, but I see other factors play a part too
Also, Hot Ones is great show
There is incredible music out there of all genres, but you have to try to find it. Record labels only advertise and push the most mundane and boring music.
IDK, The Last Duel could have been better - I suppose telling it from three different perspectives - made it boring for me ... it seems like that format, made all sides look bad. Strange, I know!
It flopped because they had half a helmet on Mat. Everyone knows that no one jousted with half a helmet, so people thought there would be other dumb things in the movie.
@@drx1xym154 I don't think he emphasized enough that it was based on really recorded history. In regards to the Movie, I agree it would have been better told as 1 story vs 3 versions. After the second version, I was kind of like "I get it", then there was the duel which was cool.
It was the stupid helmet
Another reason why TV is overall better now. Streaming is where most these smaller/indie movies are gonna find an audience until something changes
The movie Saagar is referring to (forgot the name) was awesome.
The last duel was probably my favorite movie this year. Great story, great cinematography, beautiful color work and amazing dialogue.
You're nuts. Movie was. Men are evil. Women are better. End of story. Thats why it flopped. It was terrible
I thought it was gonna be yet another slow uninteresting period drama
I was riveted from beginning to end
I tried watching the Last Duel with my Chinese family, but no one even understood what a European duel was all about. They didn’t know what knights and squires were, etc.
So… no one understood or enjoyed the movie except for me.
@@jasonsantiago6308 same, kept me on my toes the whole time. My favorite was even in the end it leaves you unsure of what you thought you concluded.
TikTok has officially made the audience dumb.
You even see this in video games, especially all the “safe” projects that get pushed out year after year in the AAA scene. You have to look at the indie games market for any fresh ideas.
Yeah I don't see Game Pass as a net positive to be honest. It's a volume play over actual quality with an authorial stamp on it. I don't want a "Netflix of Games" from the company that obstructed stability and innovation in the entire computer industry for decades with Windows.
As a gamer, I agree. While I still love the Nintendo sequels and find them fun, nearly all my gaming outside of Nintendo's franchises is indie.
It's the same process in every industry. Corporatization is the deathknell. Specifically, PUBLICLY OWNED corporations. They are required by law to wring the most money out of their customers per year as possible.
Starting to drive me crazy there’s no good games coming out. The fuck are we doing here? Lololol
@@zeriel9148
A small family owning things isn't much better - look at the hideous Walton family with Walmart. The core of the problem is the prioritisation of profit and growth over every other concern and public good including artistic expression. That's why entertainment is becoming this one gloopy, non-specific blob with a suit and a cape that can just rake in money in 50 countries and have no nutritional content whatsoever.
Also, my living room big screen TV experience in my house fails to provide me an adequate digital sound & smell representation of someone munching a bucket of popcorn next to me and the sound of my newly vandalized car's alarm in the parking lot.
"We were keeping our eye on 1984. When the year came and the prophecy didn't, thoughtful Americans sang softly in praise of themselves. The roots of liberal democracy had held. Wherever else the terror had happened, we, at least, had not been visited by Orwellian nightmares.
"But we had forgotten that alongside Orwell's dark vision, there was another - slightly older, slightly less well known, equally chilling: Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. Contrary to common belief even among the educated, Huxley and Orwell did not prophesy the same thing. Orwell warns that we will be overcome by an externally imposed oppression. But in Huxley's vision, no Big Brother is required to deprive people of their autonomy, maturity and history. As he saw it, people will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think.
"What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us. Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy. As Huxley remarked in Brave New World Revisited, the civil libertarians and rationalists who are ever on the alert to oppose tyranny "failed to take into account man's almost infinite appetite for distractions." In 1984, Orwell added, people are controlled by inflicting pain. In Brave New World, they are controlled by inflicting pleasure. In short, Orwell feared that what we fear will ruin us. Huxley feared that what we desire will ruin us.
"This book is about the possibility that Huxley, not Orwell, was right."
From "Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business" by Neil Postman.
Another theory: action movies tremendously benefit from movie theaters and dramas are arguably much worse in the theatre. Even a cheap home setup can give you a big picture, usually better sound and for longer, slower, and more complicated movies is much better when you can pause, rewatch a part if you missed something etc.
Exactly! Character movies need that, and DVDs provide for that. You can watch twice/3 times. The 1st one is to absorb it and the 2nd watch is to now understand it better. I am fan of such content and it's sad that we are seeing less and less of them now.
I think everything is better in a theater, the way movies were meant to be seen. We can always examine certain scenes or dialogue later at home, but for the first viewing it's best to let the filmmaker's vision and pace unfold without interruption.
I was about to say this. Exactly. If ppl are gonna spend the substantial money to go to the cinema, they want an experience that's made for the cinema...it doesn't mean the ppl prefer the big action movie over the thoughtful dramas, only that they prefer seeing the big action in the cinema, and the thoughtful drama in their home.
@@sivuyilemtsi9840 The prestige comes to mind. It got better every watch.
@@pickenchews also, Marvel films are a family day out. Smaller indie films are more personal, and better viewed in a personal space. Nobody is taking their kids to see the new Kelly Reichardt movie.
I see where he's coming from, but the stories he's talking about can still be made.. just not by people who command a Matt Damon level paycheck. I'm sure there are a ton of up and coming actors who can play these roles, and be just as good at them as Matt Damon or other a-list Hollywood stars... and all of a sudden, a 100m movie becomes a 50m movie and it becomes much more sustainable.
The big names could also support risky productions and take a percentile of profits rather than an unpayable upfront check.
I saw one of the best movies of my life the other day on youtube. Only had a few thousand views. Its called 'Like Dogs'.
The do independent movies as well. I think production costs are really high outside of what the stars make.
@@sabinereynaudsf That's true for sure.
Blumhouse has developed this model that sits between Indie and Big Budget films, and they do so by mostly getting their stars to accept backend compensation rather than upfront. Now, that still requires the film do relatively well in theaters, but it does lower the upfront investment. They pretty much exclusively do horror, but that model could work with other genres.
The last duel flopped because they had half a helmet on Mat. Everyone knows that no one jousted with half a helmet, so people thought there would be other dumb things in the movie.
Movies suck today because of 1) too much reliance on CGI, and 2) too many sequels. Not many movies nowadays that don't fall into one of those two categories. Gone are the days when new movies were unique and relied mostly on acting. Movies like Shawshank, Glory, Usual Suspects, Leaving Las Vegas, or even Damon's own Good Will Hunting.
Dune, The Batman, Maverick, and pretty much every a24 film that has come out in the last 3 years are all pretty damn good. There are film studios that do make those lower budget films that do release pretty good physical media and that is A24, Neon and Anapurana, yes they are indie studios/distributors but still they exist and are the anthesis to the MCU, Star wars stuff that comes out like every week
Appreciate you mentioning A24! I was wondering why indie films were not being mentioned.
Don’t forget RRR!
Dune was not good. Maybe I should read the book butt I could not finish that movie . Too long.
@@shaeyager8165 If you can’t sit through the Dune movie, you won’t survive the book.
Japan also has quite a lot of good movies though most of the good ones are outside the entertainment genre. The best movie last year (Drive My Car) and probably what will be the best movie this year (Wandering Moon) are both from Japan.
Imagine movies being made that elevate and educate people rather than ones that demoralizes and showcases the worst of humanity. Films like Baraka deserve mainstream success.
Therin lies the issue. At the core, humans will not voluntarily commit themselves to elevate in that manner, because it's easier not to
Like 12 Angry Men. Heck, that movie's even about that in a lot of ways.
MY GOD....you went for "Baraka!!" I used to have that DVD. There's an older documentary (same format) from the same director. I forgot the title, though.
@@domarq Chronos. there's also others that are similar, such as Koyaanisqatsi, Powaqqatsi, Naqoyqatsi, Samsara and Microcosmos.
@@frankbutterworth4257 Thank you!
YES!!!! Someone else that love the last dual!!!! OMG it was such a great movie and I try to watch it in the theaters but Covid so I apple store it. IT was different and had a STORY!!!! Hard to watch a parts but I was glue to that movie
Sounds like the industry did it to themselves by creating all these streaming services instead of just letting Netflix do its thing.
Finally someone said it .. absolutely true
I wasn’t alive when Pink Floyd was making music. I listen to them all the time, because they don’t make art like that anymore 😢
You might like Greta van fleet
I'm a millennial, I listen to Pink Floyd... it's not just old people who would rather listen to older music. A lot of the music today isn't on the same level.
As a millennial myself, we are basically boomers.
Exactly i'm a millennial myself, these unfounded"nostalgia" excuses are just obsolete. Frankly entertainment today isn't on the same level as it was before.
One of the greatest actor of all time!
Movies are the same as Television and Music nowadays - they don't suck, but you do need to sift through the crap to find the gems. The problem is extreme saturation more than lack of quality.
And this is why, even to this day, I still buy blu-ray and even 4k bluray combo sets of movies I absolutely love and want to support. I have movies still in their original packaging. Bought them just because I felt those involved deserved the financial support... Also, I don't like the idea that I could be without my movie collection if there is an internet outage or if the streaming servers crash for some reason. Hard copies for life.
Chris Evans is THE Best interviewer in the business today. He always asks question that leaves his guest asking "How the hell do you know that?".
*Sean Evans
It's like he took Nardwuar's interview style and upgraded it.
@@michaelneufeld4515 Nardwuar still got bigger reactions but Evan's has the wings to throw ppl off guard so its really smart. Plus he promos the sauces. Winner Winner Chicken dinner.
@@zeezeec Doh!
There are certainly other elements. Theaters spend all sorts of money on heated and recliner seats which is super nice, but a $4 jump in movie tickets and astronomical prices on concession make it a little easier to just wait a month and watch at home.
I personally prefer the theater experience and don’t want it to die, but it seems many people prefer watching on the couch.
Last Duel is a good movie though
Did they really just discover Hot Ones? Really? I understand they're busy following more important stories, but Hot Ones is a culture phenomenon.
"A good way to go from being a billionaire to millionaire is to invest in movies" -Mark Cuban
One of the problems are the bloated salaries to these actors. When a movie "costs" $25M, how much of that is paying a big name actor?
Without big name actors nobody goes to see the movie, though. I work for a theater chain and we see it every time. No matter how good the movie is, if it doesn’t have recognizable big-name actors then nobody comes to the theater to see it. That’s why they get paid so much, because they’re the real draw unless it’s something like a Tarantino movie, which has a built-in audience.
The movie industry has been a corrupt way to wash/bilk money for decades. Some of the biggest blockbusters of the 2000's were supposedly money losers. It's why actors salaries were able to shoot up so dramatically and became public fodder when you didn't see as much earnings talk before. It also became a way for reps to hike their client's price in foreign marketing commercials and brand deals. If Brad Pitt made 20 million one year and 50 million the next his cost for a one day Japanese beer commercial then tripled and then obviously so did the percentages of his manager, his pr firm etc. All the while there was the boon of tax exempt money (loophole jumping) and the patriotic concept of extracting money from other countries biggest companies rather than our own.
Getting people with a ton of money but no social prestige invited to celebrity investment parties, getting them drunk on famous shaved --erm nethers and champagne and then spinning the dream of plotlines and profit potential, not to mention a producer credit, was too appetizing for the cash rich, excitement poor to pass up. It was/is just a Hollywood shiny version of a snake oil hucksters game.
"When a movie "costs" $25M, how much of that is paying a big name actor?"
The movie star is a dying breed to. The last one to me is Tom Cruise. Big actors don't sell movies anymore. Now it's just CGI wanking and shitty feminist storytelling.
The thing about Hollywood is when they all got on social media, they revealed themselves to be a total pack of cunts that you'd never want to be.
No modern actor deserves that much
The Critical Drinker has done a fantastic job breaking down the issues with Hollywood today and why modern movies suck.
He’s awesome.
the critical drinker knows nothing about nothing.
No he hasn’t, only blames it on “woke bad..” Damon pointed the actual reason why original properties isnt made anymore.. He was also nice about it. Streaming service and the audience has a big reason to do with corporation not taking on risky concepts… see Bladerunner 2049, Northman, nice guys all non woke and great movies of recent. All bombs
No he's just racist and sexist bout any movie that isn't white enough for him.
@@jamarmorisseau7836 Yep it's the audience they only see shitty marvel movies.
The last duel was incredible!
The Last Duel was a great film
I saw it at the cinema and I purchased the DVD.
You guys make total sense .
Can you imagine 2001: A Space Odyssey' , The Exorcist , Easy Rider , Apocalypse Now being made today ? I kinda think not.
Easy rider was probably pretty cheep and all the movies your talking about were before the DVD and even tapes.
Saagar is on point re Netflix. There is no editing on that platform. Everything could be 50% shorter without losing anything. Also think it should not cost $50M to make and market a "small" movie. The pricing of these "stars" is way out of line.
It's house chores content. So many of the shows are designed to be background noise.
It’s all franchises and reboots and it’s our own fault.
The "Last Dual" was fantastic!
The new movie that came out with Damon had one missing link... I didn't see a single ad for it... anywhere. That seems right up my alley, but I never heard of it.
2019 was the last great year for cinema. The lighthouse, parasite, portrait of a lady on fire, uncut gems, joker were all amazing.
You realize 'we're' means 'we are', right?
@@jimihendrix1575 yea that’s autocorrect I’ll fix it just for u tho
@@Dylanbolton69 I'm waiting.....
@@jimihendrix1575 great contribution to the discussion
"last great year" That's a bit dramatic isn't it.
Love that y’all have started discussing pop culture. Creativity is important, too often overlooked and the essence of humanity. If it is used and abused by big business and the general audience it is sold to, we lose a lot more than what may be considered. Artists deserve more control and dictation over their trade and what they love and live for, rather than those that are indifferent and couldn’t care less. It’s their stage, not the audiences.
They all have a camera and a phone and a connection to the internet. What’s stopping them? Artists have 100% control and dictation over their trade right now… unless they take a shit load of money from someone in order to make a shit load more money. Then the producers writing the checks make the decisions and you work for them now.
You don’t have to take the money. Do it all yourself. Or work for the man, save up, then produce your own shit.
It's my stage.
This is why money making ventures should never be labeled as art
Theres more to this story. Social media really exposes exactly what sort of people are involved in this industry and how political it all actually is. So many of the stars I thought were so cool back in the 90's did a great job of shattering my illusions about them to the point I can't be bothered giving 2 hours of my life to blatant ideological propaganda.
What stars are you referring to, and what ideological propaganda did they spread?
@@naijaplayer woke Hollywood
It's a strange landscape for art these days. Steve Conrad, a brilliant screenwriter, has been passed over and had his shows canceled so much that he even continued one of his series in the form an audio drama he releases for free without permission from Amazon who owns the rights. Some of the best writing you'll ever hear is being given for free to an audience of less than 200 subscribers.
I've been working in film for almost 12 years. Damon is spot on.
is he? it seems to me that he forgot about streaming. netflix is producing some great stuff and they advertise on their own site and dont need theaters.
So what do you think is a course for change? Sounds to me like production and marketing budgets expanded too much in the 2000s due to DVDs, but they did not adapt after the bottom fell out on that so they need to find ways to use resources more efficiently or to expand their revenue stream. Like here in Japan, often films and series go hand and hand and you get a film after a series has completed.
I personally value the opinion of those with experience. Haters gonna hate.
High school presentations and tik toks don’t count bro
Is the film industry full of hardcore leftists?
Some people like myself prefer long-form podcasts instead of short clips. I think shows like Handmaids Tale or Game of Thrones are longform version of short clips. It seems that a lot of the best talent is moving over to shows. Also, with movies you often lose a lot because its only an hour and a half - 3 hours. Think about how much detail can be put into a many season show.
I think the current landscape is very fragmented. Netflix, Amazon, Disney, etc, etc. They never have access to the full populace like movies used to Cause people will only pay for one or two streaming services.
Films from the 70s-90s make up most of my all time favorites. There's a rawness to them that you don't see with much modern stuff. Better writing, better characters, had to be more creative with effects leading to major innovations like with Jurassic Park or T2. Filmakers like Spielberg, Cameron, Scott, etc in their prime. So many are timeless and that era of horror films will never be repeated. Krystal is right about music following the same path and it would have been cool to hear her talk about it more. She's likely referring to 90s and early 2000s hip hop and RNB which was the golden age for that genre. I think there's more to it besides DVD sales because before DVDs there was VHS and sometimes VHS took a long time to come out making a film rely on mostly box office. It's the attention spans modern audiences have which makes apps like Tik Tok popular. Those type of people want to be constantly engaged and they'll turn something off if it's a slow burn or be doing something else while watching it. Then the films flop like The Last Duel and studios don't trust audiences anymore so they go back to ADD style stuff like the MCU or cheap jump scare horror. Or go down the remake, reboot route because those are recognizable things instead of coming up with new things. TV Dramas have likely never been better but films lost a lot of their heart. Maybe the success of Maverick will cause studios to go in a new direction but usually Hollywood learns the wrong lessons from that type of success.
Have u seen everything everywhere all at once?, parasyte, inception, memento, the prestige, Lord of the rings, City of God, whiplash, black swan, The hunt, Inglorious bastards modern movies are just as good as the 90s modern music is good to. Kendrick lamar entire discography is just amazing.
Yep even the films I didn't like during that time frame are better than the films nowadays. Just have to look at the 70's and the number of absolutely brilliant movies released each year. 1977 alone, wow.
the last duel could have been a great premises for a HBO mini series. i agree with the attention span problem but i also i think money is also a thing to consider. remake and reboot are made because families will not buy a ticket for something untested or graphic. that why most cinemas make bank from film under pg13. the only genre of film that i think will survive this trend might be horror.
Just wait until you find film noir from the 1940s and 1950s.
@@kevinayala1380 You got to be kidding me? The 90s list of films (an endless list) blows away modern movies out of the water in every single category, in every single genre from pushing the envelope, innovation/originality. I refer to modern movies everything post 2010. The thing is everything post 2010 you will only find a handful of films of good quality, most of them are foreign films while quality films in 90s was overwhelming annually, across every genre. Movies like Parasite is one of them, or Iranians films which i recommend like A Separation or The Salesman. It's quite ironic how even Iranian cinema despite that small budget and sanctions for decades manages to even put out more quality films, because they take those risks. I also put early to mid 2000s i the same category as the 90s as a continuation. The prestige, memento, Lord of the rings, City of god etc all came out in early to mid 2000s. The last great narrative based masterpiece based on a character i saw was There will be blood in 2007, it's was mostly thanks to DDL performance which was pretty much highlighted at best in the 90s. Inception is one of the most overrated and convoluted movies i have ever seen, i can't see what people find with that movie that's exceptional or original? Ever seen Dark City 1998? That movie was one of the most underrated and way more original practically based near identical plot points. Inglorious bastards are also one of the poorest Tarantino films i have seen which i'm not such a fan of, it doesn't come close to his earlier films such as Reservoir dogs or Pulp fiction. I mean i can keep going on making analogies, what Matt Damon says makes sense, only partially. Based on the structure of the modern movie industry they will not take the same risks again until they know it guarantees a huge stream of revenue given their greed. Hence why remakes of classic movies, rehashes of established franchises along with superhero flicks are the norm these days. Small budget innovative projects turned into mega success like Home Alone will not happen in this current climate.
The show is called, “Hot Ones,” produced by the Company, First We Feast.
I think the big thing is all hollywood does is subvert original ideas. But at this point everything has been subverted so its no longer interesting, and none of the creatives know how to actually create art
I agree, it is difficult to find something good these days, over 8 imdb. Perhaps also the ton of productions pushed by netflix, amazon, disney, etc that almost there is no interest in watching something you know how it is going end
Hot Ones is a GREAT interview show and Sean asks great, well researched questions. The eating hot wings gimmick actually serves a purpose. It forces the celebrities to drop their public facade for a moment because they are literally in pain - so you get more honest answers and not ones you would get from a PR firm.
They still make these kind of movies, they're just independent films now.
And yes, The Last Duel was fantastic!
I honestly thought Saagar called it "The Last Stool" :)
The sense that I got was that he wants those movies to be cultural phenomenons like they might have been in the past. Basically nostalgia 😄
Yeah this discussion was very oversimplified. There's great content if you look for it
Last duel was quite amazing. Seems to me movies just need a new model. Not sure if direct streaming to home or better download sales to replace DVD sales is needed. Or do they just need a better price when licensed for streaming?
I will say I still collect CDs from my favorite artist in order to support the media platform. I still buy physical movies as well.
The Last Duel hits hard. It was uncomfortable in all the right ways. Brilliantly acted and written. All Star cast to boot.
and the spokesperson in the aqua dress is super hot....imho....lol
Honestly I think the DVDs are just a scapegoat when the real problem was the industrys greedy attempt to pivot from DVDs to pay per view and electronic "rights" vendors like Comcast that charged insane rates to end users for content that could souly be viewed on their closed platforms.
That's why I always re-watch "Gladiator", "Exodus", "Aliens", etc...
I wonder if it would help if movies werent made available for streaming for at least a few years after theater release? So release a movie, then 6 months later put it out on blu-ray/dvd, then 4 years later make it available on streaming.
Personally I only buy movies and almost never stream. I just dont trust streaming platforms, they may edit a movie to remove what they think is offensive or just not have it available. Look at the movie Dogma, it hasnt been released since 2008 on any platform at all.
The problem is the capital investment that is just frivolously thrown at the movie in development. Yes more money usually means more spectacle - however if those investments aren’t bringing in a proportional audience increase then the movie is dead in the water.
The key to innovation and success is working with smaller budgets. That constraint breeds creativity, and the bar for success is much smaller and more feasible when you don’t have to make back 200 million in production and marketing costs.
EDIT: very interesting segment. Thanks for changing it up.
When the last duel released, we were still coming out of the pandemic. I had friends who had family members who had died. My dad was in the hospital from april to june for instance. Basically, I just wasnt in the mood for a medieval drama about rape and revenge. I needed something dumb and fun. I think i saw the suicide squad instead. If the last duel released now, I would totally see it in theaters.
What are you saying? A movie has to be in a theatre to go see? Who does that anymore? Go see it. Rent, or watch on cable. It's a very good movie!
Lots of people see movies in theaters dumdum. Did you wait to watch Top Gun 2 on streaming or did you see it in theaters like everyone else?
Exactly
You are making excuses for a film industry that nobody is paying attention to.
Excellent point. It is important to factor in the pandemic's impact on our movie-going behavior.
What Saagar was trying to say about "The Last Duel" was that it was based on the last occasion that "trial by combat" was used to determine the outcome of a legal matter. As hard as it may be for a modern audience to believe, there was a time in medieval Christian Europe (and elsewhere) that legal disputes, including criminal cases, were determined by two fighting men dueling, potentially, to the death. The idea being that God would favor the righteous party in the trial by combat. The subject of "The Last Duel" is a fascinating historical footnote, reaching back to an era before adversarial attorneys presented their respective cases to a judge and jury of citizens.
Budgets have skyrocketed since the 90's and there are several different ways this can be combated. Lower the amount people are getting paid, or lower the level of (scope, fx, technology, etc)