Seems to go back together faster than the tear down. So cool to see the razor cells. Appreciate the tear-down. Didn't expect a balancer to be inside. Bonus. Needed once or twice a year. Thanks for sharing.
So should the BMS temperature sensor be attached to the battery cells instead of just floating around in the box? I'm no battery guy but don't really understand what is being gained by monitoring the case air temperature.
Nice tear down , thanks for ur efforts. Build looks fairly good & I like the active balancer idea, they do need it, but some more info on how that works would be good as some of this type can do damage. I imagine u can set it to come on at pre set or settable parameters like @ 3.4v-3.45v when the charging cell is in its peaking curve, if it is set up correctly the active balancer will be be of great benefit more than a few times a year on a system that regularly hits 100% SOC, or else a switch could be added so you can switch it on whenever you want and turn it off so it doesn’t do any damage, as they can if not programmed correctly. I think it looks like a pretty good/solid build for the price point. If you were to buy 2 of these batteries & had a faulty cell in one pack, you could pull every second cell to maintain 75% overall capacity with up to 15 spare good cells for any further cell faults down the road in either battery pack. Cheers
Only time I haven't had a good experience with using printed boards is for the car audio projects, they have to be at least 2oz or the heat does scary things. For the house system of course it's fine there's never more than .5 c load. What I thought was wild is that was a 100 ah, 3.2v cell. Over 3' long lmao! Sorry That's just bannanas to me. Excellent breakdown man, thanks for sharing. We live in an excellent time for batteries!
The 12kw growatt has 2 60a breakers on the lower side so I used 2 60 breakers on the breaker panel to power everything. The manual may say to use as well but its been a while since I looked at it.🤘
Thanks Joe - looks like the perfect solution for my off grid project. Will use your links when I pull the trigger. Seeing the teardown made all the difference for me, thank you!!
Is there anything special to do in order to get that Bluetooth antenna out , the range is terrible with the antenna in . Is there a significant difference in range ? Newbie here . TIA
I'd really love to add one of these to my existing Sunrun solar. I've contacted a few solar/battery installers and all of them have told me they can't add a battery to my system with a transfer switch to switch to battery power if the grid goes down without voiding the Sunrun warranty. And Sunrun won't add a battery to an existing system. They'll install a Tesla power wall with a new solar install, but they won't add it to an existing system.
Joe! Great to see you back! Yet another great video. Thanks for the teardown. I have been donated over 100 laptop cells which I have shucked and done full charge/discharge tests on. I am also acquired a spot welder, some old UPSs and some cheap BMSs and am about to begin the 18650 saga of my own. I am way far behind you in the whole battery evolution, but find your videos a wealth of information so thank you yet again! Looking forward to the next one!
Thanks and Mucho appreciated!!! The 18650 saga was a lot of fun and I learned a TON about lithium batteries. You will enjoy it espacially when you get it all up and running! GOOD TIMES AHEAD! 🤘🤘
@@AveRage_Joe bro can you help me out please. i live off grid. recently i suffered a burglary and shortly after DHR came amd took my daughter. I need power back to have her home again. my batteries and inverter and all but one solar panel was taken
Excuse my question but whats the difference between these cells and BYDs Blade cells? Could these units be used in a boat for a hybrid solar regen electric motor power supply?
those are mfg. reject cells likely only due to those dings in the wrapper. Some EV mfgs use that cell, but their purchase contract doesn't allow for broken insulation, which creates the B product line - a piece of kapton tape and good as new.
I would say the circuit boards inside the inverter(they are avaliable) and possibly the bms inside battery(also avaliable) I would also suggest installing ferrite rings on the battery, solar and 120v/240v wires to help suppress the spikes. Dr. EMP on youtube has videos on the ferrite rings🤘
@@AveRage_Joe I contacted big battery and they have NO (pre) or (post) EMP policy. They DON'T sell the BMS or boards separately that would surely NOT survive and only do "defects" as their warranty process. I asked if he knew what the countries posture would be post-EMP and he was very ignorant and tried to save face. He's not aware that ALL communities have an EMP component to their disaster responce plans. My conclusion: they have a faulty business model, regardless of their nice product offerings. I wished him well trying to get to work post EMP, let alone having an operational company.
So what do you think of the life of these batteries? Am I better off getting a server rack so I can replace them as they go bad? I hate for this big battery to go bad and being up a creek.
From what I understand, these cells are the very best around! They have a 10yr warrenty, can be cycled over 8000 times (still lots of life after) and temp range is better then most. As far as rack batteries go, that is an option for sure. It allows you to build up capacity a little at a time or like your thinking replace a one if there is an issue. Either way you go is great In my opinion! 🤘
It can be seen as a pro & a con that this pack has paralleled cells, if you have a suspect cell in the pack you can remove one & have half ur capacity still to keep things going till u come up with another idea or replacement. If u had 2 of these packs, you could use those other cells to replace faulty cells as they occur in one battery pack to keep it fully operational, while the second pack is reduced by 50%, but you would have a spare 15 cells to keep one packs capacity up for an overall 75% capacity always for many years to come. Just a thought for future maintenance or quick fix.
Take for them batteries and hook them up with battery chargers on them way they can rotate when it gets low turn and next one turns on .you can call it a total eclipse
Hey Joe! Nice tear down man, thanks for the vid, Yeah, that last question is a good one, it traps a lot of people, I'm still running my big LA's as lithium is still VERY expensive out here. BUT(T)..... I digress, a friend of mine out here put up solar as he was lank impressed with my solar.... He started shopping around for solar quotes, we back and fourthed quite a bit and he ended up putting in a 10KwH battery that is LIFeP04, problem is.... His 10KwH battery pack can't start his AC compressor. My lousy 4.5KwH bank that is actually only 2KwH worth can, It all comes down to the max short pulse current delivery, On lithium this is not equal... And so a trap to watch out for, He is still connected to the grid but he is using the grid as a startup current source for his AC's and pool pump, I must say. That sucks..... So, a very valid question because this is a problem I have seen present itself........... Myself? Man. I got confused there....🤣😂🤣😂
Sounds like you need to look at soft starters for all high current induction motors. They are either capacitors to provide the start up current, or variable frequency devices, that alter the voltage frequency, to slowly start the motor.
Nice tear down Joe, thanks. I've been wondering about using PCB for tying cells together and running the balance/bms leads. I imagine 2oz copper on both sides with plenty of area is fine for inverter use. Really appreciate all the time/work you put in to pull this apart and put it back together again - thanks.
I don't know how I missed this amazing upload 🤯. Thank you so much for the teardown!!! Still hopeful this battery will be UL Certified🔋soonest Side note: add a microair soft start to your central A/C unit first beforehand if you wanna run off grid, it'll lower your startup amperage to a much more obtainable goal.
Joe, do you still have the old 10kw setup? I'm still running strong on mine after copying your setup 3 or so years ago. When it finally stops holding a charge I'm going to switch to life cells for increased safety.
yup those are byd blade, problem is the cycle life is a bit lower than the previous byd batteries + most of BYD blade cells on the market are reject cells (grade B)
it us to pricy for 14kwt 6700!!! go to signature solar usa based company 5year warenty for EG4-LifePower4 Lithium Battery | 48V 100AH = 5.12kwh for 1500 with is 297,77 per kwt!!!
@@Ojames600 PS.There is even one company that sells these in welded busbar version - tell them you want 16s, they will weld it to you 16s. you tell them you want 4s, they will give you welded 4s. Caveat 50 Minimum Order. 50 x 16s, 50x8s or 50x 4s.
Ya got me damn it. Since I had the video full screen and had not looked at how long the video was before clicking on it I really thought that was the end and was pretty disappointed.
that's interesting cells, never seen before. Did you test an active balancer like that? From my experience, it's a piece of s.. Curious to hear your opinion.
They are interesting cells for sure!! I have only "used" an active balance in this battery. I know from other battery tests with passive ballancers in the bms, the first charge to 100% takes FOREVER. Even just a 100ah battery. I know if this rhino didnt have the active balancer for the first time charging it would take WEEKS if not longer to balance especially this size. I think before I wasnt a fan because I thought it would hide possible problems with used or "bad" cells (cause thats all I had back then) however with new cells, they assist the bms to get ya balanced faster and then once balanced, I dont think it activates much. Im a fan for now!😆🤘 Didnt you have an active balancer at one point or still do?
@@AveRage_Joe yeah, I do have active balancer, but different style (and it works). The balancer that installed in this pack will have hard time to balance pack. Anyway thanks for reviewing the battery.
Do you know anything about batteryevo the seem to be the same company as big battery. If they are the same product im about to but two of their rhino batteries for $3k a piece
@@AveRage_Joe yeah I probably won't go with used cells in them it's very tempting given they looks the same even share the same name and warranty time with big battery lol
@@AveRage_Joe well I did some reading and they state they are new cells on their website so maybe it's a little more promising in that regard. I mean you can get two batteryevo rhinos for almost the same cost as one big battery rhino it seems weird and too good to be true lol
too bad those cells are too pricy to open one to see how it's made behind the blue plastic 😉 it's intriguing to know the architecture of those so long cells 🙂...
I wrote a previous comment, but just wanted to land this here just in case.. if you add a microair soft starter to your condenser it *should* work out for you! It's a simple addition, but it'll lower your locking rotor amps and thus startup amps. It's learning cycle is 5 or so start cycles & then 🤯 boom it's voodoo magic lol. My Sol-ark now is capable of running my 3ton a/c off grid 😊🙏
@@meganwinters5163 I am aware of this soft starter. Just wasn't sure if I'd need one if I buy this growatt being it's a transformer based inverter. Unlike the solark. I currently have an mpp lv6048 a non transformer based inverter. And liking to either buy another to pair it or switch to growatt 12k. Solark is out of my price range and has additional features I won't be using like grid tie and phase shift. But I may most likely get the soft starter regardless of what I do
@@electromechanicalstuff2602 understood and agreed just wanted to share it with the community 😊🙏. I'm hopeful the growatts transformer can be used for future shed power, a well pump & get rid of the emergency generator for back-feeding the house in extreme emergencies. I wish you all the best on your solar journey and the soft start could extend your condenser life 👍!!!
I was hoping you were going to cut the heat shrink off the cell so that we could see who made it. I suspect it's a BYD cell but it could also be a CATL. There was a QR code on the end that I think if you scanned it would have given you the battery manufacturer and date.
man they are nice but wow pricy, almost 4 times as much as lead acid. Man I love to have 4 of them for 1,000 amp hour. but 25,456.20 bit rich for my blood at the moment. I guess I could always like buy one at a time. they be nice to mount in a rack. Man I want them LOL. but then again looks as if the price would beat building your own.
Its a damn nice battery. Its cheaper then a tesla powerwall, has more capacity and more power output! Will outlast lead acid by a long shot! One at a time works! Sure diy is always cheaper. I have diy as well!
Joe, that is one hell of a sexy battery! I never would've realized just how sexy it wuz until you took it all apart. Imagine a sailboat with limited underfloor storage for say... batteries! Long, thin & powerful- what's NOT to love, I ask. I would like to run a 24v system- viola'- it's (2) 24v systems run in series for a 48v pack- Duh, even I can understand that (and, perfect for a near idiot like me!) Now, I grab (2) JBD 24v BMS's and run 'em in parallel and I got me a shizzton (technical term) 'O powah for my very hungry yacht (a term I use loosely). So Joe- YOU DA MAN! Thank you for solving a riddle that has eluded me fer a long time.
Thanks for satisfying my curiosity .i have disassembled all my big batteries looking for build quality which has improved with time .this one is a nice package
Joe another great video only one complaint next time can you do a teardown on your work bench you ar killing my back i know you ar used to working in tite ass areas o one more thing can you pull the cats 🐈 tail for me just saying 😉
I really don't like an active balancer on all the time. It should only be turned on at the end of the charge cycle. I can not tell from the review if there is a control that only turns the active balancer on at the end of the charge cycle..... but it does not look like it.
@@solexxx8588 Active balancing in the flat part of the charge curve will most likely hurt the balance between the LiFePO4 cells. A balancer uses cell voltage as an indication of state-of-charge, but a cell with 3.2V might have a higher SOC than one with 3.21V. Consequently, moving energy to it from the other actually hurts the balance. It is not till late in the charge curve that relative voltage is a good indication of the relative state of charge. That is why all BMSs default to only balancing at voltages toward the end of the charge curve. Also, Big Battery is not known as the best battery engineering firm around. However, Big Battery has been known to put out some pretty bad products. Just because they put something in a product does not make it a good thing to do.
@@AveRage_Joe Im shocked they have any excess. BYD just started producing these and they go in all 5 of their EV's Which happen to be amongst the top selling EV's in China now.
Seems to go back together faster than the tear down. So cool to see the razor cells. Appreciate the tear-down. Didn't expect a balancer to be inside. Bonus. Needed once or twice a year. Thanks for sharing.
6.21.22 Very good video showing the tear down of the battery. I like to see what is inside to. Thanks again.
Thanks for watching Chuck!!💥🤘
So should the BMS temperature sensor be attached to the battery cells instead of just floating around in the box? I'm no battery guy but don't really understand what is being gained by monitoring the case air temperature.
Nice tear down , thanks for ur efforts. Build looks fairly good & I like the active balancer idea, they do need it, but some more info on how that works would be good as some of this type can do damage.
I imagine u can set it to come on at pre set or settable parameters like @ 3.4v-3.45v when the charging cell is in its peaking curve, if it is set up correctly the active balancer will be be of great benefit more than a few times a year on a system that regularly hits 100% SOC, or else a switch could be added so you can switch it on whenever you want and turn it off so it doesn’t do any damage, as they can if not programmed correctly.
I think it looks like a pretty good/solid build for the price point. If you were to buy 2 of these batteries & had a faulty cell in one pack, you could pull every second cell to maintain 75% overall capacity with up to 15 spare good cells for any further cell faults down the road in either battery pack. Cheers
Only time I haven't had a good experience with using printed boards is for the car audio projects, they have to be at least 2oz or the heat does scary things. For the house system of course it's fine there's never more than .5 c load. What I thought was wild is that was a 100 ah, 3.2v cell. Over 3' long lmao! Sorry That's just bannanas to me. Excellent breakdown man, thanks for sharing. We live in an excellent time for batteries!
Bananas!😆😆😆🤘
I see on your breaker you have dual 60amps to power the Growatt. Why did you choose 60amp?
The 12kw growatt has 2 60a breakers on the lower side so I used 2 60 breakers on the breaker panel to power everything. The manual may say to use as well but its been a while since I looked at it.🤘
Thanks Joe - looks like the perfect solution for my off grid project. Will use your links when I pull the trigger. Seeing the teardown made all the difference for me, thank you!!
Thanks for watching Frank! Its gotta be there best battery to date! I Love it! Been using it everyday since getting it(minus the days without sun🙃)💥🤘
Air con will depend on the inverter
Thank you for posting a breakdown of the unit. Definitely need to get our finances in order and purchase a unit for the offgrid...Blessings!
Is there anything special to do in order to get that Bluetooth antenna out , the range is terrible with the antenna in . Is there a significant difference in range ? Newbie here . TIA
I'd really love to add one of these to my existing Sunrun solar. I've contacted a few solar/battery installers and all of them have told me they can't add a battery to my system with a transfer switch to switch to battery power if the grid goes down without voiding the Sunrun warranty. And Sunrun won't add a battery to an existing system. They'll install a Tesla power wall with a new solar install, but they won't add it to an existing system.
Damn that sucks. Im not familier with the sunrun. Im guessing its a gridtie system?
@@AveRage_Joe Yeah it’s tied to the grid
These are actually BYD blade batteries (I mean cells). Thanks for the teardown.
Yes they are!😁🤘
nice pack for a new generation net grid tie situation!!!
HOWdy A-R-J,
Thanks for the WALK-THRU
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Joe! Great to see you back! Yet another great video. Thanks for the teardown. I have been donated over 100 laptop cells which I have shucked and done full charge/discharge tests on. I am also acquired a spot welder, some old UPSs and some cheap BMSs and am about to begin the 18650 saga of my own. I am way far behind you in the whole battery evolution, but find your videos a wealth of information so thank you yet again! Looking forward to the next one!
Thanks and Mucho appreciated!!! The 18650 saga was a lot of fun and I learned a TON about lithium batteries. You will enjoy it espacially when you get it all up and running! GOOD TIMES AHEAD! 🤘🤘
@@AveRage_Joe bro can you help me out please. i live off grid. recently i suffered a burglary and shortly after DHR came amd took my daughter. I need power back to have her home again. my batteries and inverter and all but one solar panel was taken
Hi, I have never been a fan of passive balancers. I much prefer active ones
This has both!💥🤘
@@AveRage_Joe thanks.
I run Taj-Ma-Haul's AC (9kWatts Mini-Split) since I got the Rhino in 2021, 24x7x365 here in the Sonoran desert without fail...
Great Review!❤️
hi joe. the antena looks like a temp sencer to me ?? no...?? ok
That one im 99% sure is the antenna. All the temp sensors have a bulb and this one doesnt!😆🤘
I love/appreciate the "toot" sound effects lowering the beast onto the foam... Only one who owns these can appreciated the weight...
I think I need to get with Big Battery on a custom packaged pack for these I can engineer into Taj-Ma-Haul's floor cavities and in the walls...
OMG they are so HEAVY LOL
Ill talk to Eric and see if its possible
@@AveRage_Joe IKR!!! I have 7 more to install!!!
Excuse my question but whats the difference between these cells and BYDs Blade cells?
Could these units be used in a boat for a hybrid solar regen electric motor power supply?
They are BYD blade battery cells.
@@solexxx8588
Thanks 👍🏼 they are a lot less fussy to pack up than round can cells.
those are mfg. reject cells likely only due to those dings in the wrapper. Some EV mfgs use that cell, but their purchase contract doesn't allow for broken insulation, which creates the B product line - a piece of kapton tape and good as new.
In the event of an EMP, what components would have to be replaced? Are they readily available to pre-purchase for shielded storage?
I would say the circuit boards inside the inverter(they are avaliable) and possibly the bms inside battery(also avaliable) I would also suggest installing ferrite rings on the battery, solar and 120v/240v wires to help suppress the spikes. Dr. EMP on youtube has videos on the ferrite rings🤘
@@AveRage_Joe
Thanks! Growat sells a hardened version of their 12KWh & 15KWh inverters. Are you planning system follow-up videos?
Ill have to look up the hardend version! Didnt know about it. Yeah planning on more vids. Regular job has been busy but that has just changed!!
@@AveRage_Joe
I contacted big battery and they have NO (pre) or (post) EMP policy. They DON'T sell the BMS or boards separately that would surely NOT survive and only do "defects" as their warranty process. I asked if he knew what the countries posture would be post-EMP and he was very ignorant and tried to save face. He's not aware that ALL communities have an EMP component to their disaster responce plans.
My conclusion: they have a faulty business model, regardless of their nice product offerings.
I wished him well trying to get to work post EMP, let alone having an operational company.
@@LtBRS Are you sure it's Growatt and Not Solark that has EMP option ? I don't think Growatt makes a 15k .
How's the reliability of the active balancer?
Battery has a 10yr warrenty!😲🤘
@@AveRage_Joe not what I asked. Warranties are only good as long as the company is around.
BOOM> nice. you scared me at 2:06 LMAO. I was like what? that's it? wtf. lol.
💥💥💥💥 It seemed like a great place for it lol!🤭😆🤘
So what do you think of the life of these batteries? Am I better off getting a server rack so I can replace them as they go bad? I hate for this big battery to go bad and being up a creek.
From what I understand, these cells are the very best around! They have a 10yr warrenty, can be cycled over 8000 times (still lots of life after) and temp range is better then most. As far as rack batteries go, that is an option for sure. It allows you to build up capacity a little at a time or like your thinking replace a one if there is an issue. Either way you go is great In my opinion! 🤘
It can be seen as a pro & a con that this pack has paralleled cells, if you have a suspect cell in the pack you can remove one & have half ur capacity still to keep things going till u come up with another idea or replacement. If u had 2 of these packs, you could use those other cells to replace faulty cells as they occur in one battery pack to keep it fully operational, while the second pack is reduced by 50%, but you would have a spare 15 cells to keep one packs capacity up for an overall 75% capacity always for many years to come. Just a thought for future maintenance or quick fix.
Take for them batteries and hook them up with battery chargers on them way they can rotate when it gets low turn and next one turns on .you can call it a total eclipse
BatteryEVO/BigBattery battle? How can u know?
All stuff is BigBattery. More info released on Moday I hear!
All stuff is BatteryEVO
Joe went next level! Loving it man!
Hey Joe! Nice tear down man, thanks for the vid, Yeah, that last question is a good one, it traps a lot of people, I'm still running my big LA's as lithium is still VERY expensive out here. BUT(T)..... I digress, a friend of mine out here put up solar as he was lank impressed with my solar.... He started shopping around for solar quotes, we back and fourthed quite a bit and he ended up putting in a 10KwH battery that is LIFeP04, problem is.... His 10KwH battery pack can't start his AC compressor. My lousy 4.5KwH bank that is actually only 2KwH worth can, It all comes down to the max short pulse current delivery, On lithium this is not equal... And so a trap to watch out for, He is still connected to the grid but he is using the grid as a startup current source for his AC's and pool pump, I must say. That sucks..... So, a very valid question because this is a problem I have seen present itself........... Myself? Man. I got confused there....🤣😂🤣😂
Sounds like you need to look at soft starters for all high current induction motors. They are either capacitors to provide the start up current, or variable frequency devices, that alter the voltage frequency, to slowly start the motor.
So his battery wont give up the beans to start a big load? What kind is it?
That doesn't sound right, more likely the inverter is the problem not the 10kw of lifepo4 battery.
Nice tear down Joe, thanks. I've been wondering about using PCB for tying cells together and running the balance/bms leads. I imagine 2oz copper on both sides with plenty of area is fine for inverter use. Really appreciate all the time/work you put in to pull this apart and put it back together again - thanks.
Julian Ilett uses PCBs
Thanks and appreciate the watch. Yeah many are using pcb's these days!
Love it! Where’s the cat tho?❤😂
I don't know how I missed this amazing upload 🤯. Thank you so much for the teardown!!!
Still hopeful this battery will be UL Certified🔋soonest
Side note: add a microair soft start to your central A/C unit first beforehand if you wanna run off grid, it'll lower your startup amperage to a much more obtainable goal.
Joe, do you still have the old 10kw setup? I'm still running strong on mine after copying your setup 3 or so years ago. When it finally stops holding a charge I'm going to switch to life cells for increased safety.
You bet I still have it. Still running strong. Havent used since I started testing this beast out but plan on paralleling it back in!😆🤘
I saw these cells for sale, I was wondering what a battery bank would look like.
Not an expensive cell. They are sold as EV cells, but you can see why
0:24 i heard that squeeker of a fart!!!!!!
🤠🤭💥🤘
What's a fire extinguisher 🧯
Nice one Joe
Normally I am not for a battery teardown video but this is a very unique system.
Very interesting and informative, thanks Joe.
🤔💭💣💥
Thanks! Yeah this one is unique for sure!!!💥💥💥💥💥
Grade Video Like Always. mi Amigo!!! Nice To See you Alive lol. looking fw to see the ac test on this beauty of cells
Thank you
Cells look like BYD Blade cells.
💯💥 Nailed it!!!🤘
yup those are byd blade, problem is the cycle life is a bit lower than the previous byd batteries + most of BYD blade cells on the market are reject cells (grade B)
Life cycle on these I believe are 8-10k and bigbattery has a contract for new cells!🤘
When the next live Joe?
Havent done ome of those in LONG TIME!😆
Wow, its a King😁👍
it us to pricy for 14kwt 6700!!! go to signature solar usa based company 5year warenty for EG4-LifePower4 Lithium Battery | 48V 100AH = 5.12kwh for 1500 with is 297,77 per kwt!!!
Yeah you could do that no problem!
Yikes on the heat shrink.
Thanks Joe
Thank you!!💥🤘 How you doin these days?
HMM! So they used BYD Blade lifepo4 cells (135AH each).
Each cell costs ~$35 compared to EVE 280AH's $120.
Where do you find these for $35 ?, I am interested
@@Ojames600 Alibaba, shipped from China. If you are lucky they have a warehouse near you and you dont pay exhorbitant shipping fee
@@Ojames600 PS.There is even one company that sells these in welded busbar version - tell them you want 16s, they will weld it to you 16s. you tell them you want 4s, they will give you welded 4s. Caveat 50 Minimum Order. 50 x 16s, 50x8s or 50x 4s.
@@Ojames600 Try Shenzhen Zhongtong Battery from Alibaba. They have stocks atm but at higher $43. Still much cheaper than EVE's $130 for the 280AH.,
Yeah I saw them at the same place. I would buy from alibaba over aliexpress.
15:21 there is a dent damage (near your right hand) on this piece.. was that from your teardown or was it there before?
Hard to say. I dont remember seeing it. It may even be heat shrink looking funny???
Joe any chance you would do a 24V or 48v DIY using 3.2V Blade cells?
Possibly! Id have to wait a bit for cash flow!💥🤘
@@AveRage_Joe That would be awesome looking forward to it!
Ya got me damn it. Since I had the video full screen and had not looked at how long the video was before clicking on it I really thought that was the end and was pretty disappointed.
😆😆 It was a perfect time lol💥🤘
that's interesting cells, never seen before.
Did you test an active balancer like that? From my experience, it's a piece of s..
Curious to hear your opinion.
They are interesting cells for sure!! I have only "used" an active balance in this battery. I know from other battery tests with passive ballancers in the bms, the first charge to 100% takes FOREVER. Even just a 100ah battery. I know if this rhino didnt have the active balancer for the first time charging it would take WEEKS if not longer to balance especially this size. I think before I wasnt a fan because I thought it would hide possible problems with used or "bad" cells (cause thats all I had back then) however with new cells, they assist the bms to get ya balanced faster and then once balanced, I dont think it activates much. Im a fan for now!😆🤘 Didnt you have an active balancer at one point or still do?
@@AveRage_Joe yeah, I do have active balancer, but different style (and it works). The balancer that installed in this pack will have hard time to balance pack. Anyway thanks for reviewing the battery.
Do you know anything about batteryevo the seem to be the same company as big battery. If they are the same product im about to but two of their rhino batteries for $3k a piece
So I think the story goes is batteryevo --->was
@@AveRage_Joe yeah I probably won't go with used cells in them it's very tempting given they looks the same even share the same name and warranty time with big battery lol
@@AveRage_Joe well I did some reading and they state they are new cells on their website so maybe it's a little more promising in that regard. I mean you can get two batteryevo rhinos for almost the same cost as one big battery rhino it seems weird and too good to be true lol
It does seem to good to be true.
Love your videos.
Thanks John! Appreciate that!💥💥🤘
too bad those cells are too pricy to open one to see how it's made behind the blue plastic 😉 it's intriguing to know the architecture of those so long cells 🙂...
I seen them on alibaba and aliexpress for pretty cheap. 🤠
I checked for these cells and could not find them anyone have a link?
I think you can find them on Alibaba for fairly cheap. Cant say what the quality is tho.
Awesome review Joe. I was wondering how your battery was constructed.
Thanks Mate! Which battery would you like to see the construction on?
@@AveRage_Joe Sorry I forget you have lots of different batteries 🔋 😅 I was refering to your Rino. Now I've got a great understanding of it. Thx M8 👏
Good video cat man
Thanks Man!!
Awesome video Joe. Ever get around to seeing if the growatt will start your multi ton central ac without tripping?
Thanks man! No I havent yet, need to do some rewiring in the panels to add it or........possibly back feed that panel from this panel🤔🤔
I wrote a previous comment, but just wanted to land this here just in case.. if you add a microair soft starter to your condenser it *should* work out for you! It's a simple addition, but it'll lower your locking rotor amps and thus startup amps. It's learning cycle is 5 or so start cycles & then 🤯 boom it's voodoo magic lol. My Sol-ark now is capable of running my 3ton a/c off grid 😊🙏
@@meganwinters5163 I am aware of this soft starter. Just wasn't sure if I'd need one if I buy this growatt being it's a transformer based inverter. Unlike the solark. I currently have an mpp lv6048 a non transformer based inverter. And liking to either buy another to pair it or switch to growatt 12k.
Solark is out of my price range and has additional features I won't be using like grid tie and phase shift. But I may most likely get the soft starter regardless of what I do
@@electromechanicalstuff2602 understood and agreed just wanted to share it with the community 😊🙏. I'm hopeful the growatts transformer can be used for future shed power, a well pump & get rid of the emergency generator for back-feeding the house in extreme emergencies. I wish you all the best on your solar journey and the soft start could extend your condenser life 👍!!!
I was hoping you were going to cut the heat shrink off the cell so that we could see who made it. I suspect it's a BYD cell but it could also be a CATL. There was a QR code on the end that I think if you scanned it would have given you the battery manufacturer and date.
😆 I totally ment to say they are BYD Blade cells🙃 I may have a pic of the QR code. If I do Ill scan to see if it shows anything!🤘
They're made by BatteryEVO, that's why they say BatteryEVO on every cell.
That is just the heat shrink. They are BYD blade cells.
Someone let out a little poot at 0:25 lol
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man they are nice but wow pricy, almost 4 times as much as lead acid. Man I love to have 4 of them for 1,000 amp hour. but 25,456.20 bit rich for my blood at the moment. I guess I could always like buy one at a time. they be nice to mount in a rack. Man I want them LOL. but then again looks as if the price would beat building your own.
Its a damn nice battery. Its cheaper then a tesla powerwall, has more capacity and more power output! Will outlast lead acid by a long shot! One at a time works! Sure diy is always cheaper. I have diy as well!
Yes👍🔋 ⚡🔌💡
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That’s a epic battery
100%🤠🤘💥
How do I like the smash button? LOL 🤣 I love your videos, keep them coming 👍
Thank You and MUCHO Appreciated!!😆💥🤘
Joe, that is one hell of a sexy battery! I never would've realized just how sexy it wuz until you took it all apart. Imagine a sailboat with limited underfloor storage for say... batteries! Long, thin & powerful- what's NOT to love, I ask. I would like to run a 24v system- viola'- it's (2) 24v systems run in series for a 48v pack- Duh, even I can understand that (and, perfect for a near idiot like me!) Now, I grab (2) JBD 24v BMS's and run 'em in parallel and I got me a shizzton (technical term) 'O powah for my very hungry yacht (a term I use loosely). So Joe- YOU DA MAN! Thank you for solving a riddle that has eluded me fer a long time.
100% sexy😆😆 Yeah a battery like this could fit under the floor or walls ect... They also have 12v with this battery!🤘
Thanks for satisfying my curiosity .i have disassembled all my big batteries looking for build quality which has improved with time .this one is a nice package
You betcha! Yeah I am on the same page. The build quality has improved a crap ton!!! 🤘
That monster is so sweet! Looks to be well built too!
Hell yeah and I Love it!!!💥🤘
I'll try it
Noice! 💥
Yes Sirrrrr!😆💥
Very nice!
100% agree!!😆🤘
I found those cell for $43 each on aliexpress, might grab 32 of them. 37 inches is a bit long tho :(
Ive seen them on alibaba for $30-40ea. Not bad of a price for 14kwh! Do it and let me know!!!🤘
James what BMS did you go with?
Now let's freeking make windmill propeller blades out of these batteries!
Lol swirling batteries here we come!😆😆
Average Joe, how can we send 1 of our kits to you? We can't send lithium cells to a Post Office the USPS said NO WAY? Do you have UPS store close?
Sent you an email!🤘
سعر منتج
This bank makes a nice phone power bank lol , with 14 Kw/h :D
A LOT of phone charges!!😆😆🤘
DONT TIPE IN THE BARCODE NUMBERS IT BRING UP PORN
Lol Love that🤣🤣
I could fill a whole 8 hr shift with finding things to string tie in there
😆 You and me BOTH!!!😆😆
Look like BYD blade battery, rebrand.
💥🤯 boom 💥😅
BOOOOOOOOOOOM💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Joe another great video only one complaint next time can you do a teardown on your work bench you ar killing my back i know you ar used to working in tite ass areas o one more thing can you pull the cats 🐈 tail for me just saying 😉
Thanks!! Yeah if I could lift this it would have been on the bench for sure. It hurts me doing anything on the ground!!!! Tail Pulled!!😆😆😆🐈⬛
These are such sweet batteries. Tesla powerwall psshhhbbbttt!! Wayyyyy over priced!!!
I 100% Agree!!!💥🤘
@@AveRage_Joe twice the capacity for the same $$$. Now...mind you...if I lived in a state that had the energy arbitrage at $2/kw I'd go that route.
Geeze, am I the only one who got a fart inserted in my ear at 25seconds?
Oh, I see, it's a theme...
Theme for sure!😆
I really don't like an active balancer on all the time. It should only be turned on at the end of the charge cycle. I can not tell from the review if there is a control that only turns the active balancer on at the end of the charge cycle..... but it does not look like it.
That is BS. Active balancers are installed at the factory for a reason. Do you think they add unnecessary parts to make their profit lower?
@@solexxx8588 Active balancing in the flat part of the charge curve will most likely hurt the balance between the LiFePO4 cells. A balancer uses cell voltage as an indication of state-of-charge, but a cell with 3.2V might have a higher SOC than one with 3.21V. Consequently, moving energy to it from the other actually hurts the balance. It is not till late in the charge curve that relative voltage is a good indication of the relative state of charge. That is why all BMSs default to only balancing at voltages toward the end of the charge curve.
Also, Big Battery is not known as the best battery engineering firm around. However, Big Battery has been known to put out some pretty bad products. Just because they put something in a product does not make it a good thing to do.
LOL - your focus needs more focus!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM wher tha fk u been man.... chop chop with the next vid ffs, from ya best buddy from downunder prison island.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!! Was way to busy at work........... Not anymore!!!!!!! LOL on Prison from down undah
@@AveRage_Joe WHAT?? no job or just on holidays?
Quit the joby job😲💥💥💥💥💥💥🤘
@@AveRage_Joe congrats.... whats next??? come on.... spill it
Doin the UA-cams full time!💥🤘
Sh!T dude! Those are copies of the BYD Blade battery! They open sourced the tech. Probably Chinese knock offs of them.
They are BYD cells. They have a contract with byd!😲
@@AveRage_Joe Im shocked they have any excess. BYD just started producing these and they go in all 5 of their EV's Which happen to be amongst the top selling EV's in China now.
74 18650s fit in one of those Battery’s.. 🤔☝️my ncr18560bd got 11,2 wh
That’s 830 wh compared to the 430 wh
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I’m staying whit the 18650
Thats a great conversion! I Like it!😄💥🤘