A cycle in battery testing is from full, to 80% discharge. A battery is rated for around 6000 of these cycles. However if you are only using 30% a day? These batteries are less likely to die than you are in the same time period..... Just sayin 😉😜
Got 2 Rhinos running us full time off grid including our Mini split ac. We do use a propane stove and we have a solar clothes dryer ( called the sun). I just wish the "percentage" display was more accurate. Mine show 75% when the batteries are in reality full.
4 ton is a pretty decent amount of Air Conditioning and is likely the biggest consumer in the summer months. I only air condition the open living space of my house rather than the entire house which saves quite a bit of power over the course of a day from a single 3/4 ton window unit. Eventually I want to go to a 2 ton or 3 ton mini-split heatpump unit with a variable speed compressor that should be able to handle the entire living space most of the year but only consume what it needs to maintain the living space. Having a small induction cooker can also help substantially if you are trying to live within a specific energy window each day and the grid is down for whatever reason. Even if a person has a central AC it is pretty easy to install a much smaller minisplit in the main space that can both heat and cool year-round in order to maintain a tolerable temp in the living space in an off grid or grid down situation. Just having a backup smaller unit even if you mostly rely on the central AC can be an easy way to reduce energy used in the home while on grid.
No ill intention towards my beloved content creator.🤩💯 Why Joe? In a true grid down event. The old question was can I run my deep freezer, then a few years later can I run my refrigerator as well. I get it, everyone wants to have the same luxuries as his/ her political affiliates buried deep in the mountains with dry, oven, AC, whirlpool and hot water. The more stuff you want to run to feel comfortable while the world is crumbling at your feet and your setting out side with a pew pew making sure no one steals you solar panels is that you need kilowatts(with an "s") of storage. Thanks for the review and and information.
If your current AC is towards it's end of life, or you want an upgrade. Look at the newer inverter heat pumps. My 2 ton system in AC mode draws around 1400 watts. In heating mode it does draw about 3x more, being it's working harder. Regardless it's amazing how much the newer tech can run, and how much convivence it a person has when the grid gets knocked out. No longer a fan of sitting in the dark waiting for the power to come back on.
A $15 dollar watt meter will answer your power questions. If you’re planning on using a inverter I would recommend getting one to see what appliance draw’s what. Thank you for the video 😊
Time to buy a heat pump dryer. It's too bad you can't run more than a single one of those 12k Growatts. If you ran multiple independent panels you could do a second one. That would make charging off generator or grid messy though.
Yeah it is to bad these cannot be paralleled together. I could add a 2nd and then add another small sub panel for those. I dont think that would be to bad. Generator charging for sure a mess lol
@@AveRage_Joe There's no reason they can't share a battery bank I suppose. You could even run separate breakers from the main panel to each inverter's subpanel and still do grid bypass if needed. Oh well something to think about if you decide you need to be able to cook a prime rib while running the AC and drying some clothes. ;)
Great video Joe! I'm wondering if you've thought about doing a video showing how your inverter handles imbalanced loads? One of the reasons I went w/Schneider XWPro is it's ability to handle these scenarios. It also has another feature that feeds off of this called Generator Assist. The idea is if your generator can only put out 20A and you need 30A to power the needed loads, it will pull extra power from the DC side. I use it here during Monsoon season when we don't always get enough sun to reach 100% SOC, but I still want to run 3x A/C's all day long. It's like having a temporary extra solar array on those cloudy days.
I will have to see what I can come up with to try an unbalance the load. I have a few space heaters but not sure that will do it. No I havent heard of that feature. Are you saying it will draw from the generator DC? Or which DC side?
@@AveRage_Joe I think they are talking about pulling from the batteries when the generator cannot provide the entire load to help reach the necessary amount of demand. That way you can have a smaller generator that keeps up most of the time in a grid down situation or have it dialed in to 80% load for efficiency but the inverter can boost the power when demand requires it pulling the extra needed power from the batteries or charge the batteries when the load on the inverter is below what the generator can provide thus keeping the generator in the most efficient power curve and allowing it to run much larger loads from time to time.
Run your stove, dryer and water heater with Propane or Natural Gas. Then you can run your whole house from solar. One gallon of propane equals 27 kilowatts and drys clothes in twenty minutes vs 1 hour on electric. Propane is cheaper than electric per kilowatt. 27 kilowatts of electric is $4.70 whereas propane is $2.79 Propane is the magic sauce of off-grid living. Nat Gas is good also. Gas and propane fired hot water on demand saves lots of money.
Maybe if you had a PoolFence solar or Tilt Solar you could run everything. - Nice review of the big battery. That is a great setup and you know it would power your needs during an outage.Does kitty have an "off-grid-garage" cape? Thanks for sharing.
The only issue with an easy start is you will get 95% of your cooling capaicity. Most people will never notice this but if you air conditioner bairly cools your place installing an easy start will make it worse. But if you want to use it with a generator or off solar its a must have. I have one on my rv so i can use a oittle 2000 watt generator and have ac
@@AveRage_Joe ya my dad is an electrician and installs them in commercial applications. On an AC it's not a big deal but on other electric motes that little bit makes a difference
Lol when we get down that low is when I was running everything in the house including the stove, AC and dryer. The temps outside during that time was over 100*f so the AC was running A LOT🙄. We also didnt get much sun during the daytime💁♂️🤘
I would say a good portion of the drain is from 7 to midnight. Some of it could be washing machine, dishwasher and just regular stuff. Night time draw when we sleep should be a few hundred watts. The inverter also draws around 150w by itself. Some days are more and some days are less.
Hi Joe, any recommendations for busbars that could support three to four 100AH 48V batteries? I currently have two in parallel, and assume if I add a third, a busbar would be ideal. Cheers!
Thanks Man! I think we used an 8" auger bit to drill those holes if I remember right and I went down 36". If your using concrete then you wanna go with a bigger auger.🤘
That difference is because I was running/powering a lot more stuff during the 2nd test. 1st test the house was drawing around 600-700watts. 2nd test the house was drawing double. I didnt realize that during the video. The easy start is mainly for the start up. I went from over 100amps at 240v down under 30amps at 240v. Amazing difference!😲
And you are using what bms monitor software on your phone? which app did you get to work, why: cause with my Rhinos i cant get any to see them. not even at a one inch distance....let alone feet. and big bat said nothing .................as to why i can not get any monitor to work....???
I can only get the xiaoxiang app to connect with IOS. It wont work any of my android phones. Bigbattery has an app but it doesnt show all the detail I want to see.
You missed a good opportunity to help convert our audience to modern induction stoves and Air fryer ovens using 1/4 the energy of your element range in the video. People could be using all induction cookers and air oven simultaneously on solar.
I had the same thought. I have a little, single "burner" induction stove (by Duxtop, I don't have the model #). I brought a few cups of water to an active boil in just over 2 minutes while recording 1200w of power consumption (measured by a basic plug-in power meter). That was on "medium" (5 out of 10 setting). If I maxed out the power on the burner, it went up to 1800-1900w. I could also keep the water at a nice simmer on minimum (1 out of 10) which cycles off and on, so between 0 and about 550w. For comparison, in the video, when Joe turned on the one big burner, it was using about 3500w on high. That's a big difference. And it would probably take that burner 5-6 min to bring the water to a full boil. That is also a big difference. Not accurate or scientific on my part, but an obvious difference. Induction is definitely the way to go, even if you are still on grid. They are SO fast and work SO well. I love mine.
@@dbf1dware i have of them single burner portable ones for camping. powered by a bluetti. in the kitchen a 4 pan cook top, i doubt very much the largest burner uses more than 3kw at full power. it seems to me raging joe needs to change a few things in the kitchen. i suppose the poor bloke has to get permission from the wife. and will have to wash dishes for the next 3 years. !!
Great Video Joe. Did I understand you right when you said that you can"t use a 12K inverter with just one battery? I have a Big Battery 48v 180AH Griz and a 12K Sol-Ak all in one inverter. I average about 500w the day and about 300w after 10pm. I can only get about 5.5 hrs out of this battery. Is this because of a battery/ inverter mismatch? I;ve been fighting this problem since July when I put the system in service.
I was just saying 1 battery with ALL the things running. If you are using 1 battery and low power stuff most of the time its ok. For your setup, what are the battery full voltage setting and switch to grid voltage. Or what settings are you using?
@AveRage_Joe Thank you for replying. I welcome another set of eyes and thinking on this problem. The battery is supposed to be able to be charged up to 58v, but I have never tried to charge it to more than 56v. The reason being that the battery will only accept 54.5v. Also Sol-Ark technician told me that they have had problems with BB battery's shutting down the inverter when trying to charge to the max voltage. I also have a discrepancy between what my battery shows in AH and what the inverter is showing. The battery of late is showing 126AH and the inverter is showing 163AH. The battery is an 180AH battery.They had been showing very close to the same until this last week when we had very little sun and the battery had to finish charging from the grid.
Hello Joe, I purchased a CNDR Elite about a year ago with joe10, I want to purchase another battery and more solar panels as I have about 2400 watts right now. I see some good deals, my question is I see you have 3 big batteries of different sizes and I have never seen anyone on youtube do what I am curious about. Can you run different brand batteries, my inverters are SunGold Power SP6548 in split phase with the CNDR Elite. The batteries Im looking at are the sungold power sg48100p rack batteries or the new EG4 PowerPro batteries at 14.3 kWh. Make a video or is the battery choice you make for my project I am stuck with the brand for any upgrades? Thanks you Average Joe.
Nice!! Its obviously great if you can use the same battery but sometimes you just cant. I run pretty much all batteries in parallel. Most will tell you you shouldnt but I do. Here recently I added another 5kw battery to the mix that is a different brand. Everything is fine that I can tell. Either way you go I may have discount codes where ever you purchase from so let me know!🤘
@@AveRage_Joe i think you should look into that idle draw. and i think, yes it is "that bad". just consider, this is 24h/day. now compound this to bigger battery needed, bigger inverter, and that many more solar panels. and that much shorter tide over time.
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A cycle in battery testing is from full, to 80% discharge. A battery is rated for around 6000 of these cycles. However if you are only using 30% a day? These batteries are less likely to die than you are in the same time period..... Just sayin 😉😜
Long Live the Rhino! and my AC is the "inverter" variety, runs no problem 24 x 7 x 365 here in the Sonoran Desert!
Rhino is a BEAST!😲😆
Got 2 Rhinos running us full time off grid including our Mini split ac. We do use a propane stove and we have a solar clothes dryer ( called the sun). I just wish the "percentage" display was more accurate. Mine show 75% when the batteries are in reality full.
I appreciate the unparalleled seriousness that you bring to this topic. Historians will etch your work into stone for future generations.
Im not sure how to respond to that😄🤘
Keep an eye on the guy down under he has some good shirts 👕
I saw his vid this morning😄🤘
I tried to get free batteries but Lowe's called the cops on me.
It will be fyn 😂😂😂😂😂
Lol
I like this whole new No boom videos, Keep them up. Okay I'm wrong I miss them 😭😭💥💥😭😭
4 ton is a pretty decent amount of Air Conditioning and is likely the biggest consumer in the summer months. I only air condition the open living space of my house rather than the entire house which saves quite a bit of power over the course of a day from a single 3/4 ton window unit. Eventually I want to go to a 2 ton or 3 ton mini-split heatpump unit with a variable speed compressor that should be able to handle the entire living space most of the year but only consume what it needs to maintain the living space. Having a small induction cooker can also help substantially if you are trying to live within a specific energy window each day and the grid is down for whatever reason.
Even if a person has a central AC it is pretty easy to install a much smaller minisplit in the main space that can both heat and cool year-round in order to maintain a tolerable temp in the living space in an off grid or grid down situation. Just having a backup smaller unit even if you mostly rely on the central AC can be an easy way to reduce energy used in the home while on grid.
As always, another fantastic video.
No ill intention towards my beloved content creator.🤩💯
Why Joe? In a true grid down event. The old question was can I run my deep freezer, then a few years later can I run my refrigerator as well. I get it, everyone wants to have the same luxuries as his/ her political affiliates buried deep in the mountains with dry, oven, AC, whirlpool and hot water. The more stuff you want to run to feel comfortable while the world is crumbling at your feet and your setting out side with a pew pew making sure no one steals you solar panels is that you need kilowatts(with an "s") of storage.
Thanks for the review and and information.
Yeah for the real grid down. Everything in my house runs off the critical loads panel. Deep freeze, frige lights ect.... RUNS!💥🤘
Thanks Joe! That sound your inverter made took me back to my A/C test on the 6500...which wasn't as favorable as yours. Definitely a freaky sound...
Lol yeah that sound is a lil annoying 😆
I'll get some batteries next year and use your code. Thanks Joe
that code might not be valid anymore in ten years.
Appreciate that!🤘
Minor correction, the one solar array is “temporarily”. I’ll remind you five years from now that it’s just temporary 😎
Great video Joe!!
Lol 100% perm 😄😄😄😄
@@AveRage_Joe😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Joe
If you had an inverter airconditioner there would not be any light dimming and would operate much more efficiently!
Great video!
Ill have to look into one of those!
Ya buddy!
If your current AC is towards it's end of life, or you want an upgrade. Look at the newer inverter heat pumps. My 2 ton system in AC mode draws around 1400 watts. In heating mode it does draw about 3x more, being it's working harder.
Regardless it's amazing how much the newer tech can run, and how much convivence it a person has when the grid gets knocked out. No longer a fan of sitting in the dark waiting for the power to come back on.
As always great content and I really like your background funny comedy show 🤣
Glad you enjoy it!
Apparently soft starts are good for everyone. They extend the life of the components in the AC too by lowering the stress of that hard start they do.
Its an amazing piece of hardware!
Does anyone know if this soft start can be used on a air compressor?
@@darylowen6855they can. Make sure you use the correct one 240colr or 120 volt
Joe, gas for hot top man. Cooking with gas is a thing downunder. Ovens here electric.
That Crazy Aussie Andy has been disrespecting the Boom Tshirts. 🤣🤣
LOL I saw him messin around 😆💥
A $15 dollar watt meter will answer your power questions.
If you’re planning on using a inverter I would recommend getting one to see what appliance draw’s what.
Thank you for the video 😊
People always wanna see what can be powered🤘 Thanks for watching!💥
Time to buy a heat pump dryer.
It's too bad you can't run more than a single one of those 12k Growatts. If you ran multiple independent panels you could do a second one. That would make charging off generator or grid messy though.
Yeah it is to bad these cannot be paralleled together. I could add a 2nd and then add another small sub panel for those. I dont think that would be to bad. Generator charging for sure a mess lol
@@AveRage_Joe There's no reason they can't share a battery bank I suppose. You could even run separate breakers from the main panel to each inverter's subpanel and still do grid bypass if needed. Oh well something to think about if you decide you need to be able to cook a prime rib while running the AC and drying some clothes. ;)
Great video Joe! I'm wondering if you've thought about doing a video showing how your inverter handles imbalanced loads? One of the reasons I went w/Schneider XWPro is it's ability to handle these scenarios. It also has another feature that feeds off of this called Generator Assist. The idea is if your generator can only put out 20A and you need 30A to power the needed loads, it will pull extra power from the DC side. I use it here during Monsoon season when we don't always get enough sun to reach 100% SOC, but I still want to run 3x A/C's all day long. It's like having a temporary extra solar array on those cloudy days.
I will have to see what I can come up with to try an unbalance the load. I have a few space heaters but not sure that will do it. No I havent heard of that feature. Are you saying it will draw from the generator DC? Or which DC side?
@@AveRage_Joe I think they are talking about pulling from the batteries when the generator cannot provide the entire load to help reach the necessary amount of demand. That way you can have a smaller generator that keeps up most of the time in a grid down situation or have it dialed in to 80% load for efficiency but the inverter can boost the power when demand requires it pulling the extra needed power from the batteries or charge the batteries when the load on the inverter is below what the generator can provide thus keeping the generator in the most efficient power curve and allowing it to run much larger loads from time to time.
@@kuhrd you are correct. The reason I said DC side however, is that it can use solar/battery to “assist” the inverter (like an A/C startup situation.
Oh NICE!!! I like the sound of that!
Run your stove, dryer and water heater with Propane or Natural Gas. Then you can run your whole house from solar. One gallon of propane equals 27 kilowatts and drys clothes in twenty minutes vs 1 hour on electric. Propane is cheaper than electric per kilowatt. 27 kilowatts of electric is $4.70 whereas propane is $2.79 Propane is the magic sauce of off-grid living. Nat Gas is good also. Gas and propane fired hot water on demand saves lots of money.
Joe make more content 💥
Workin on it. Ive been doing some background stuff the last few weeks in prep for some future videos🫣😆🤘
@@AveRage_Joe awesome 🤩 I’ll be waiting 😂
Maybe if you had a PoolFence solar or Tilt Solar you could run everything. - Nice review of the big battery. That is a great setup and you know it would power your needs during an outage.Does kitty have an "off-grid-garage" cape? Thanks for sharing.
The only issue with an easy start is you will get 95% of your cooling capaicity. Most people will never notice this but if you air conditioner bairly cools your place installing an easy start will make it worse. But if you want to use it with a generator or off solar its a must have. I have one on my rv so i can use a oittle 2000 watt generator and have ac
Ive never heard that before. Interesting!!!
@@AveRage_Joe ya my dad is an electrician and installs them in commercial applications. On an AC it's not a big deal but on other electric motes that little bit makes a difference
Great stuff man!
Thanks!🤘
Get you a pioneere 24k btu mini split it will heat and cool your house for half the price.
You Have To Try a 240 volt 5 hp Air Compressor
If I had one id try for sure!🤘
What are you doing at night that is draining 35% of your battery? Sounds like some power management (while you sleep) would help.
Lol when we get down that low is when I was running everything in the house including the stove, AC and dryer. The temps outside during that time was over 100*f so the AC was running A LOT🙄. We also didnt get much sun during the daytime💁♂️🤘
I would say a good portion of the drain is from 7 to midnight. Some of it could be washing machine, dishwasher and just regular stuff. Night time draw when we sleep should be a few hundred watts. The inverter also draws around 150w by itself. Some days are more and some days are less.
Are you familiar with the mule batteries and what do you know about them
Hi Joe, any recommendations for busbars that could support three to four 100AH 48V batteries? I currently have two in parallel, and assume if I add a third, a busbar would be ideal. Cheers!
Which batteries are you using? I made my own bus bars but can get ya a link if you like.🤘
Love the videos! What size hole did you dig for your eg4 ground mounts? Did you use a 8" or 10" bit for the auger?
Thanks Man! I think we used an 8" auger bit to drill those holes if I remember right and I went down 36". If your using concrete then you wanna go with a bigger auger.🤘
Thanks!
Is it just me or is your Easy Start chewing up about 17 Amps or about 900 Watts... (The difference between the 1st and 2nd tests on the A/C.
That difference is because I was running/powering a lot more stuff during the 2nd test. 1st test the house was drawing around 600-700watts. 2nd test the house was drawing double. I didnt realize that during the video. The easy start is mainly for the start up. I went from over 100amps at 240v down under 30amps at 240v. Amazing difference!😲
And you are using what bms monitor software on your phone? which app did you get to work, why: cause with my Rhinos i cant get any to see them. not even at a one inch distance....let alone feet.
and big bat said nothing .................as to why i can not get any monitor to work....???
I can only get the xiaoxiang app to connect with IOS. It wont work any of my android phones. Bigbattery has an app but it doesnt show all the detail I want to see.
You missed a good opportunity to help convert our audience to modern induction stoves and Air fryer ovens using 1/4 the energy of your element range in the video.
People could be using all induction cookers and air oven simultaneously on solar.
totally disgusting. i am truly amazed of that gross consumption
I had the same thought. I have a little, single "burner" induction stove (by Duxtop, I don't have the model #). I brought a few cups of water to an active boil in just over 2 minutes while recording 1200w of power consumption (measured by a basic plug-in power meter). That was on "medium" (5 out of 10 setting). If I maxed out the power on the burner, it went up to 1800-1900w. I could also keep the water at a nice simmer on minimum (1 out of 10) which cycles off and on, so between 0 and about 550w.
For comparison, in the video, when Joe turned on the one big burner, it was using about 3500w on high. That's a big difference. And it would probably take that burner 5-6 min to bring the water to a full boil. That is also a big difference. Not accurate or scientific on my part, but an obvious difference.
Induction is definitely the way to go, even if you are still on grid. They are SO fast and work SO well. I love mine.
@@dbf1dware
i have of them single burner portable ones for camping. powered by a bluetti.
in the kitchen a 4 pan cook top, i doubt very much the largest burner uses more than 3kw at full power.
it seems to me raging joe needs to change a few things in the kitchen. i suppose the poor bloke has to get permission from the wife. and will have to wash dishes for the next 3 years. !!
No thanks on the stove, I'll stick with gas. It's much more efficient and you'll save your battery power
@@johnperry5960
are you implying raging joe should acquire a gas stove?
saving battery?
how do you design your system?
have you totally abandoned the 18650 projects ?
For powerwall yeah. I bought some 280ah lifepo4 cells a while back. I still use 18650s for small stuff tho!🤘
Great Video Joe. Did I understand you right when you said that you can"t use a 12K inverter with just one battery? I have a Big Battery 48v 180AH Griz and a 12K Sol-Ak all in one inverter. I average about 500w the day and about 300w after 10pm. I can only get about 5.5 hrs out of this battery. Is this because of a battery/ inverter mismatch? I;ve been fighting this problem since July when I put the system in service.
I was just saying 1 battery with ALL the things running. If you are using 1 battery and low power stuff most of the time its ok. For your setup, what are the battery full voltage setting and switch to grid voltage. Or what settings are you using?
@AveRage_Joe Thank you for replying. I welcome another set of eyes and thinking on this problem. The battery is supposed to be able to be charged up to 58v, but I have never tried to charge it to more than 56v. The reason being that the battery will only accept 54.5v. Also Sol-Ark technician told me that they have had problems with BB battery's shutting down the inverter when trying to charge to the max voltage. I also have a discrepancy between what my battery shows in AH and what the inverter is showing. The battery of late is showing 126AH and the inverter is showing 163AH. The battery is an 180AH battery.They had been showing very close to the same until this last week when we had very little sun and the battery had to finish charging from the grid.
@user-lq2vp6mj8j Hey can you send me an email with your #. My email is in description or about me page.
ok. I will email you.@@AveRage_Joe
Hello Joe, I purchased a CNDR Elite about a year ago with joe10, I want to purchase another battery and more solar panels as I have about 2400 watts right now. I see some good deals, my question is I see you have 3 big batteries of different sizes and I have never seen anyone on youtube do what I am curious about. Can you run different brand batteries, my inverters are SunGold Power SP6548 in split phase with the CNDR Elite. The batteries Im looking at are the sungold power sg48100p rack batteries or the new EG4 PowerPro batteries at 14.3 kWh. Make a video or is the battery choice you make for my project I am stuck with the brand for any upgrades? Thanks you Average Joe.
Nice!! Its obviously great if you can use the same battery but sometimes you just cant. I run pretty much all batteries in parallel. Most will tell you you shouldnt but I do. Here recently I added another 5kw battery to the mix that is a different brand. Everything is fine that I can tell. Either way you go I may have discount codes where ever you purchase from so let me know!🤘
600w idle draw? That a lot
That was the entire house. I dont think that was to bad🤔🤷♂️
@@AveRage_Joe
i think you should look into that idle draw. and i think, yes it is "that bad".
just consider, this is 24h/day. now compound this to bigger battery needed, bigger inverter, and that many more solar panels. and that much shorter tide over time.
What voltage do you set your low voltage disconnect at on your inverter?
I think I have it set to 46 if I remember right. Low voltage back to grid is around 49.6👍
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