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“They are not in odd times,” Haake states for the umpteenth. “It’s not a big deal to us. It’s not a matter of us wanting the listener to hear the music the way we do it. This whole album is straight 4/4 all through." The Meshuggah style places the turn around on a different beat each time, this way the music is always changing/hard to follow, yet they are still playing to a 4/4 grid
My 1st introduction to Meshuggah was when i bought a used copy of obzen several months ago. At 1st i could not figure out what was going on within the tunes. I thought a was hearing bass and synthesizers. When i learned that they were playing 8 strings, with single note riffs, it clicked with me and i went out and bought several of their cds. I love Nothing, Obzen and New Millenium Cyanide Christ off of chaossphere. They are advant-garde. These guys use space better than anyone in metal.
Metal like this actually helps me study!! its like a white noise in the background that blocks out any random thoughts, and keeps me from getting distracted.
+Gabriele Tiengo they are truly amazing but i think maybe Metallica songs are more melodic and catchy, Meshugga is a band very technical but song and tunes are not very catchy imo
+Gabriele Tiengo as soon as the black album came out,Metallica were finished,these are more brutal,drummer amazing,riff work,melody..feeling..the works..love this band...love Crowbar more
Lol no, metalica is just easier to digest. Meshuggah fans are usually more musically inclined. Metalica fans are usually more inclined to drink and fight...
This is my favorite Meshuggah song. JMHO. You can say Infant annihilator and slaughter to prevail all you want, and Gojira might be my favorite band right now, but you almost cannot get harder than Meshuggah Obzen. This song is like being run over by a truck going 100 miles an hour.
great example for strange songs that i did not liked first time listening to it. now its one of my favourite meshuggah songs! the transition between the tomparts back to the intro and to the outro....masterpiece! pure hatred!!
Guess I should be more clear what I mean by frame. The typical frame for a 4 4 line would basically have each measure construct a balanced phrase over 3-4 bars with the beats roughly distributed evenly. What you have going on here that throws people off is phrases that span, instead of the typical 8, 12, 16, 20 beats, you have phrases 9, 11, 15, and 19 beats long instead. This creates a sort of off-balance feel to the song, and takes a huge amount of talent to do without ruining the rhythm.
Everyyyyy!!! Thought!! Shamed!! Defileeedd!!! Painted!!!! The color!!! The shhhaaaaaaaaaadddeee!!!!!!!!!!! Of ELECTRIC RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wow this is heavy, I like doom and sludge and I find it hard to think of alot metal as heavy because I compare it to the same level of crazy droning downtuned-ness. This sounds decent, love when they slow it down a little so you can really hear how crushing the guitars are, also the bass on this album comes through crystal clear which is nice.
Meshuggah is so fucking deep. If you ever tried to bang your head in 4/4 to this song, you can like feel the rhythm "move" through the 4/4 beats. It's a hard thing to describe, and it is better if it is simply felt by the listener. When I first got this album, this song wasn't one of the ones I focused on a lot. I definitely loved it but I didn't realize how complex it was - it sounded deceptively simple. Now I am obsessed with figuring this song out. That's what's amazing about Meshuggah.
THIS is the song I was waiting to hear from this album. I'm still stuck on Nothing. LOL, sounds funny to say that when that album is every bit of something!
Goddamn 3:27 kicks off the best Meshuggah lick...an offbeat 16th note riff over that 1 2 3 4 beat(4/4 time signature)..and it mathematically adds up to one of the sickest riffs Meshuggah ever put out there.
The reason people will come back and keep commenting on the same Meshuggah video is because everytime they come back and listen it has the same chilling insane effect :D
@DillingerEscapeMan lol yeah man I totally agree! I love when bands produce DIFFERENT sounding albums and not the same as the previous. I can dig slower and groovier music by mehuggah..whenever the release is..ill be buying it that day! Definately pumped
They said in an interview that this entire album is 4/4, but that the frame of each bar shifts often. Listen to the rhythm the drums are providing, NOT the bass-hits he does to emphasize the guitar part, and you will hear the 4 4.
THIS is the song I was waiting to hear from this album. I'm still stuck on Nothing. LOL, sounds funny to say that when that album is every bit of something! 5;00 riff is all that. Love when they use riffs like those.
With these guys, less is more. they arent trying to cram in a hail storm of double bass drumming. They also are not trying to fill in every space in the music with all sorts of over the top single note guitar gymnastics. I have to agree with whats been said. The newer releases are their best stuff
@mathprodigy I know man. When I first started listening to Meshuggah every damn song of theirs I heard I always thought to myself, how the hell do they memorize all these time signature changes and stay on beat?! It blew my mind. Then I read into them and all their stuff is in 4/4... amazing. It's just a different way of writing music that's not standard to what people are used to listening to. So it seems as if it's "off-beat". LOVE IT THOUGH!
I love how (sorta like RFB480) When the guitars BEAST-UP Jen can fucking Yell(sing) just as loud as the Riff, basically Both vocals instrumentals are equal. Both are FUCKING HEAVY
@DillingerEscapeMan agreed..Thomas is extremely talented..definately lookin forward to their new album coming out in about 3 months! (I hope anyway lol) What kind of approach would you prefer? This style or something like Catch 33? Personally, I wouldnt mind seeing another Catch 33 like masterpeice.
You know, they love to do this shit to you. The riff at 2:20 shows you this. The background solo guitar hits all the notes in 4/4 time, while the other rhythm is doing...crazy shit. It's like slightly shorter than two bars, so it slightly moves ahead of the 4/4 rhythm, and you can hear this happen as it morphs and shifts. Meshuggah LOVES to do this shit, they love to just taunt you with their rhythms like, "It's in 4/4, bro. Lrn2listenHARDR." Which I do because it always pays of with Meshuggah.
@SoaringTrumpet That's really helpful actually. I know a little about rhythm so I'm not too confused. I know it's really hard to explain rhythms with just text. Thanks a lot! Now that I know what I'm doing, I can count it out and it makes sense.
@NocturnalTerror lol yeah man..I just got home from the bahamas and I listened to nothing BUT these fuckers.. they are truly insane and I found myself smirking many times on my vacation at the gym..walking on the criuse ship etc. Ive come to love Dancers to a discordant system..that song is so epic its unreal
@Mossberg930 First time I heard Bleed, I said "Wow this is some lame repetitive shit" I listened to it a couple more times, listened to Catch 33 from beginning to end and now I'm a full blown 'Shuggah fan.
With this album I find that generally all the best stuff is at the end of songs. For example 4:05 and on, especially the riff that starts at 4:55...honestly their best rhythmic riff ever.
@Tool78Maynard Three months might be optimistic ! Well there is already an interview with Marten hagstrom online about the new album saying it will be generally slower and groovier. I don't want to hear anything that sounds familiar at all or I shall be disappointed - I genuinely want this to be my new favourite album
Troll (Tomas Haake): Listen to this and count it Me: CHALLENGE ACCEPTED *my rage grows* Me: WTF IS THIS Tomas: u mad? its called a polyrhythm Me: FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Never try to count Meshuggah.
This particular song really emphasizes the off-beat. Try counting the intro riff with the drums. Whether or not it was intentional, there's an odd time signature going on.
You hear the micro (the smaller rhythms). The macro (the basic pulse) is in 4/4 which is precisely what makes this this song amazing. You don't feel the 4/4 pulse in the beginning, but if you count it out, the riff always restarts on the down beat after every 4 bars. That's the amazing thing about their music - people who know nothing about this stuff are able to enjoy it (the way it should be enjoyed) without knowing or caring about any of the intricate stuff that musicians understand. There are plenty of other Meshuggah tunes that do what you're saying to the ear - Concatenation is one of them, but they issued the slower version to show that it's actually in 4.
Jonny Guillen Not quite. If you're thinking of it that way, it'd be 4 bars of 7/8 and then ONE bar of 4/4. Listen to it again. If you add all those eighth notes together, you get 4 bars of 4/4 time, or 32 eighth notes. If you're trying to learn this song, it makes sense to count it as 4 bars of 7/8 and then one bar of 4/4, but try to hear it in 4/4. It's a total mind screw in a good way, I promise.
actually you're correct. the last bar is 2/4, or 4 eighth notes - either way it comes out to four measures of 4/4. Good catch...if you learn it as 4 bars of 7/8 and one bar of 2/4, that would get you used to the smaller parts of the beat - I like hearing it in 4/4 because of the way it twists around and comes back on the 1.
Literally... when this 3:28 part came I immediately stopped what I was doing, took out my hair bun and violently headbanged lol fucking hell.
“They are not in odd times,” Haake states for the umpteenth. “It’s not a big deal to us. It’s not a matter of us wanting the listener to hear the music the way we do it. This whole album is straight 4/4 all through." The Meshuggah style places the turn around on a different beat each time, this way the music is always changing/hard to follow, yet they are still playing to a 4/4 grid
Polymeter, not polyrhythm, correct?
4 4 time comes in every 64 bars
you FUCKING LIAR
No lie, that outro will never get old.
That riff at 4:58 should be illegal. That is probably the heaviest guitar riff I have heard in my life.
this is my favorite meshuggah song.
I knew I'd find someone 😉
Gage Worthington mine’s gotta be Rational gaze. But this gotta be at least 4th
My 1st introduction to Meshuggah was when i bought a used copy of obzen several months ago. At 1st i could not figure out what was going on within the tunes. I thought a was hearing bass and synthesizers. When i learned that they were playing 8 strings, with single note riffs, it clicked with me and i went out and bought several of their cds. I love Nothing, Obzen and New Millenium Cyanide Christ off of chaossphere. They are advant-garde. These guys use space better than anyone in metal.
0:26 "humanity prayin' for my balls"
The first line he says sounds EXACTLY like "Humanity came for my balls!"
You're welcome
+BennickGAdeus Thats fucking great XD
+BennickGAdeus I like juice.
+Robert Bentley finish your juice filtered vitamin substance
lol!
And when you look at the album art it looks like they got em!
Metal like this actually helps me study!! its like a white noise in the background that blocks out any random thoughts, and keeps me from getting distracted.
THE KING OF OFFBEAT INSANITY AND PURE GENIUS.
That opening riff might be the heaviest and hardest riff I've ever heard in my whole life. And I fucking love it
I don't know why this group is not as famous as Metallica :/
I mean, they're amazing. simply amazing
+Gabriele Tiengo they are truly amazing but i think maybe Metallica songs are more melodic and catchy, Meshugga is a band very technical but song and tunes are not very catchy imo
+Gabriele Tiengo as soon as the black album came out,Metallica were finished,these are more brutal,drummer amazing,riff work,melody..feeling..the works..love this band...love Crowbar more
it's better that way, fuck the rest... I feel privileged to know this band, also my favorite number 1
Lol no, metalica is just easier to digest.
Meshuggah fans are usually more musically inclined.
Metalica fans are usually more inclined to drink and fight...
KrakDag sorry, i don't have a cookie for you bro.
3:30 where everything in your life is burned to electric red
Absofuckinglutely.
This is like its own league of heaviness. Often imitated, never duplicated.
this song is a pure jazzymetal then anything else.
Prog Djent Fusion Jazz Math Metal
Does anyone else feel like blasting into space and exploding the sun with their fists when 3:46 kicks in?
Felix Huppert whatever it takes
4:57 Dope af
This is my favorite Meshuggah song. JMHO. You can say Infant annihilator and slaughter to prevail all you want, and Gojira might be my favorite band right now, but you almost cannot get harder than Meshuggah Obzen. This song is like being run over by a truck going 100 miles an hour.
great example for strange songs that i did not liked first time listening to it. now its one of my favourite meshuggah songs!
the transition between the tomparts back to the intro and to the outro....masterpiece! pure hatred!!
Guess I should be more clear what I mean by frame. The typical frame for a 4 4 line would basically have each measure construct a balanced phrase over 3-4 bars with the beats roughly distributed evenly. What you have going on here that throws people off is phrases that span, instead of the typical 8, 12, 16, 20 beats, you have phrases 9, 11, 15, and 19 beats long instead. This creates a sort of off-balance feel to the song, and takes a huge amount of talent to do without ruining the rhythm.
I've had this album for some time but I never really got into this song, but now I got it on repeat, the whole obzen album is just great
It's like a brain massage, an eargasm. I could listen t o Messhugah forever, why do I feel this way?
Such an epic song, love the dissonant outro
Exactly mate. The end is djent beauty
Polymeters and polyrhythms galore! Meshuggah is such an amazing band!
catchiest riff ever at the end
Any movie with this automatically becomes a Romance.
Everyyyyy!!! Thought!! Shamed!! Defileeedd!!! Painted!!!! The color!!! The shhhaaaaaaaaaadddeee!!!!!!!!!!! Of ELECTRIC RED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This song is a piece of art. So many different kinds of mood that just blends together. Epic. I love it!
wow this is heavy, I like doom and sludge and I find it hard to think of alot metal as heavy because I compare it to the same level of crazy droning downtuned-ness. This sounds decent, love when they slow it down a little so you can really hear how crushing the guitars are, also the bass on this album comes through crystal clear which is nice.
3:30-4:05 is some of the most intense shit I've ever heard
Meshuggah is so fucking deep. If you ever tried to bang your head in 4/4 to this song, you can like feel the rhythm "move" through the 4/4 beats. It's a hard thing to describe, and it is better if it is simply felt by the listener. When I first got this album, this song wasn't one of the ones I focused on a lot. I definitely loved it but I didn't realize how complex it was - it sounded deceptively simple. Now I am obsessed with figuring this song out. That's what's amazing about Meshuggah.
i like the drums on this song
I would hate to be the band to have to go on after these guys.....insane.....
i bet aliens are in love with meshuggah..their music is cosmic and wonderful
4:57 - that's one sick riff!
That's exactly right, just because you can play along doesn't mean you are equally as inventive.
Possibly my favorite on the album.
And this song is freaking beautiful! An epic, I would say.
When I saw that this video was posted by someone whose screen name is poopsinhispans, I knew I would enjoy it. I was correct!
I love this song so much.
Aaahh, damn heavy song!
Totally Hypnotic!!! Love this song!!!
3:30 is my favorite part.......I can't stop the head banging......
THIS is the song I was waiting to hear from this album. I'm still stuck on Nothing. LOL, sounds funny to say that when that album is every bit of something!
4:56 Holy shit...
right?
so simple yet so powerful
This rhythm is fucking insane.
Goddamn 3:27 kicks off the best Meshuggah lick...an offbeat 16th note riff over that 1 2 3 4 beat(4/4 time signature)..and it mathematically adds up to one of the sickest riffs Meshuggah ever put out there.
First time listening to Meshuggah and I started with the song Obzen. What a great fucking song...These guys are, to put it mildly, insane.
The reason people will come back and keep commenting on the same Meshuggah video is because everytime they come back and listen it has the same chilling insane effect :D
it's taking me forever to learn how to headbang to this song lol. i can only imagine how music sounds in Meshuggah's heads.
One of my absolute favorites
Those who would call this track pedestrian clearly do not see the beauty in it.
@Tool78Maynard I listen to that song a lot - love it. Jens' vocals are really interesting on Chaosphere, especially over the fast mental bits!
No shit. I rode an elevator last week in a Singapore Skyscraper with an orchestrated version of this Meshuggah masterpiece sans vocals.
Probably my favorite Meshuggah song.
@DillingerEscapeMan lol yeah man I totally agree! I love when bands produce DIFFERENT sounding albums and not the same as the previous. I can dig slower and groovier music by mehuggah..whenever the release is..ill be buying it that day! Definately pumped
Dude they made a series of diminshed chords fit in well nice
They said in an interview that this entire album is 4/4, but that the frame of each bar shifts often.
Listen to the rhythm the drums are providing, NOT the bass-hits he does to emphasize the guitar part, and you will hear the 4 4.
Death Metal? No.
Metalcore? No.
Hardcore? No.
Future of the metal.
things like 4:57 is one of the best things in music imo
Absolutely. One of the best riffs I've ever heard.
Why are like 90% of the comments about balls XD
THIS is the song I was waiting to hear from this album. I'm still stuck on Nothing. LOL, sounds funny to say that when that album is every bit of something! 5;00 riff is all that. Love when they use riffs like those.
Took me a couple listens to Meshuggah to really get the concept. Its really started to grow on me.
Meshuggah is just so epic. Every time I hear I just, oOoOo.
THE BEST ALBUM FROM THEM ;>)
With these guys, less is more. they arent trying to cram in a hail storm of double bass drumming. They also are not trying to fill in every space in the music with all sorts of over the top single note guitar gymnastics. I have to agree with whats been said. The newer releases are their best stuff
Thumbs up dude.
@mathprodigy I know man. When I first started listening to Meshuggah every damn song of theirs I heard I always thought to myself, how the hell do they memorize all these time signature changes and stay on beat?! It blew my mind. Then I read into them and all their stuff is in 4/4... amazing. It's just a different way of writing music that's not standard to what people are used to listening to. So it seems as if it's "off-beat". LOVE IT THOUGH!
Okay the polyrythms in this song is too much to bear (it's a good thing)
Freddy G. Odd 4/4 grooves.
music of the gods
I love how (sorta like RFB480) When the guitars BEAST-UP Jen can fucking Yell(sing) just as loud as the Riff, basically Both vocals instrumentals are equal.
Both are FUCKING HEAVY
I'VE MASTERED THIS SONG! GHOST NOTES AND ALL! >:] I CAN'T BE STOPPED!
@DillingerEscapeMan agreed..Thomas is extremely talented..definately lookin forward to their new album coming out in about 3 months! (I hope anyway lol)
What kind of approach would you prefer? This style or something like Catch 33? Personally, I wouldnt mind seeing another Catch 33 like masterpeice.
@freddygotfingered23 that is such an epic breakdown
The entire Obzen album was written in 4/4. Ever single part of it, confirmed by the band in an interview.
Metal like this helps me to calm down it's weird cuz people consider it rather chaotic and restless..idk
You know, they love to do this shit to you.
The riff at 2:20 shows you this. The background solo guitar hits all the notes in 4/4 time, while the other rhythm is doing...crazy shit. It's like slightly shorter than two bars, so it slightly moves ahead of the 4/4 rhythm, and you can hear this happen as it morphs and shifts. Meshuggah LOVES to do this shit, they love to just taunt you with their rhythms like, "It's in 4/4, bro. Lrn2listenHARDR." Which I do because it always pays of with Meshuggah.
@dujl Agreed..any idea when the new album will be released? You seem to know a TON about Meshuggah lol
@dujl we shall see..personally im hoping Meshuggah and Tool release their cd's around the same time..Madness overload for damn sure.
@SoaringTrumpet That's really helpful actually. I know a little about rhythm so I'm not too confused. I know it's really hard to explain rhythms with just text. Thanks a lot! Now that I know what I'm doing, I can count it out and it makes sense.
Fricking insane ! the F...hammer of Thorrrrr!!!!!!
@NocturnalTerror lol yeah man..I just got home from the bahamas and I listened to nothing BUT these fuckers.. they are truly insane and I found myself smirking many times on my vacation at the gym..walking on the criuse ship etc. Ive come to love Dancers to a discordant system..that song is so epic its unreal
I was playing Minecraft, down in some cave full of redstone then this song comes on... fuck yeah...
the ending of this song is heavier than the atmosphere
@Mossberg930 First time I heard Bleed, I said "Wow this is some lame repetitive shit" I listened to it a couple more times, listened to Catch 33 from beginning to end and now I'm a full blown 'Shuggah fan.
The snare in the outro sounds like someone slapping you in the face at random times and you have to try and catch his hand before he slaps you.
With this album I find that generally all the best stuff is at the end of songs. For example 4:05 and on, especially the riff that starts at 4:55...honestly their best rhythmic riff ever.
@paddeification I think it's 4/4 on the crash symbol or something, but he's playing different signatures with the snare hits and the double bass drums
Long time since you wrote that, I know, but I just wanted to clarify - The entire album of Catch 33 is in 4/4. So is Obzen.
vuelo de sesos absoluto! viva Meshuggah!!!
Listen to their demos and their first album...basically sounds like Metallica or Slayer...except Fredrik obviously drops acid before his solo takes
4:57 I blast this on full volume and stomp around my room like t-rex with miniguns on shoulders
Hell yea!
@Tool78Maynard Three months might be optimistic ! Well there is already an interview with Marten hagstrom online about the new album saying it will be generally slower and groovier. I don't want to hear anything that sounds familiar at all or I shall be disappointed - I genuinely want this to be my new favourite album
this shit rocks!
Troll (Tomas Haake): Listen to this and count it
Me: CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
*my rage grows*
Me: WTF IS THIS
Tomas: u mad? its called a polyrhythm
Me: FFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Never try to count Meshuggah.
This particular song really emphasizes the off-beat. Try counting the intro riff with the drums. Whether or not it was intentional, there's an odd time signature going on.
You hear the micro (the smaller rhythms). The macro (the basic pulse) is in 4/4 which is precisely what makes this this song amazing. You don't feel the 4/4 pulse in the beginning, but if you count it out, the riff always restarts on the down beat after every 4 bars. That's the amazing thing about their music - people who know nothing about this stuff are able to enjoy it (the way it should be enjoyed) without knowing or caring about any of the intricate stuff that musicians understand. There are plenty of other Meshuggah tunes that do what you're saying to the ear - Concatenation is one of them, but they issued the slower version to show that it's actually in 4.
It can be counted as 4 bars of 7/8 and then a bar of 2/4
Jonny Guillen Not quite. If you're thinking of it that way, it'd be 4 bars of 7/8 and then ONE bar of 4/4. Listen to it again. If you add all those eighth notes together, you get 4 bars of 4/4 time, or 32 eighth notes. If you're trying to learn this song, it makes sense to count it as 4 bars of 7/8 and then one bar of 4/4, but try to hear it in 4/4. It's a total mind screw in a good way, I promise.
+holygroove2 you're right. either way. I was able to count it. haha
actually you're correct. the last bar is 2/4, or 4 eighth notes - either way it comes out to four measures of 4/4. Good catch...if you learn it as 4 bars of 7/8 and one bar of 2/4, that would get you used to the smaller parts of the beat - I like hearing it in 4/4 because of the way it twists around and comes back on the 1.
@Ician100 You have to listen to it more than once i think. Its much more complex than it sounds when you first hear it.
I love that shit at 0:27, it's like something big is coming to fuck you up.
yeah, that's a given, they're playing polyrhythms that are based around a 4/4 time signature.
i love the break down at 3:30