Miami Dice: Dice Forge
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2024
- Tom, Zee, and Sam take a look at the new dice-building game from Libellud and Asmodee, Dice Forge!
00:00 - Introduction
01:16 - Game overview
06:39 - Final thoughts
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I like that these gentlemen rarely talk over each other, despite often having differing opinions. Quality stuff.
I demo'd this twice at GenCon and bought it recently. There is a lot more strategy than the Zee realizes, as Sam reiterates. You're not just rolling for resources, you're building and changing your strategy every time around the table to react as other player strategies emerge. Dice Forge has solid engine building and limited resource management mechanics (only a handful of large victory point cards let alone limited dice faces) to work with. On top of that, you get the fun of dice rolling every turn to mix it up AND another layer of strategic complexity as you forge your dice toward your play style (calculating rolling odds that fit your goals etc). For example, Tom having 3 3x faces. Give one dice all 3 so you have a 50% chance of 3x and your other dice the big money faces.
As long as you all keep the pace up and not get mired in decision making, it's a blast. I wish more 'heavy' games could be lightened up so nicely. It's like heavy euro gaming and Vegas had a baby and if you give it a chance I think you'll agree the combination has merit.
Tom this is my favorite backdrop, perhaps a very subtle Dice Tower decal on the glass but do more stuff with this beautiful natural back light. Seriously the videos look so professional
I totally agree.
I second this.
I want a raptor to poke his head out of the bushes, look at the guys, shake his head, and go back in. That's the only thing the décor lacks...
I miss the outdoor set 🥲
Love the new set and the new production is amazing! Thank you for all your great reviews!
PRO TIP! Instead of using your fingers to take the faces off, you use the new face to pry it off.
This is a really good video, I would love to see more in depth reviews from you guys in this format, where all three of you sit around and discuss one game for a whole video. Enjoyed it a lot and very informative.
Miami Dice reviews, they have many of these
I bought this game to play with my daughter, 9, and we learned it pretty well in one game. It's really not that difficult to pick up, even for a child. As for switching out the die faces, you don't need a tool. Hold the die in your off hand with thumb over the face you're removing so it doesn't go flying. Use the corner of the new die face as a lever to remove the first die face. (This tidbit is actually in the instructions.) No skinny fingers or long nails needed.
One more thing: if you find you have way more gold in end game than you can use but are hurting for shards, you didn't invest enough of it in shard and glory die faces in mid game.
Set looks amazing today!
It kinda looks like they are in a glass treehouse in a jungle - I like it!
Sam and Zee need a little bit more light.
I was talking to a friend about this game just yesterday and he said it was a terrific game, 100% happy he'd bought it and also that I had (I haven't played it yet). I'm hoping I like it when I finally get it to the table. I was surprised Sam liked it as much as he did, it was nice to hear him sounding positive lol.
From the rulebook: "Remove a die face that you want to replace, using the new die face as a lever."
"This game suffers from not having players aids". - Sam.
The game comes with a sheet called Hero Aid, I've found that to be quite useful.
Great review guys.
I like Dice Forge and own it. It’s a great gateway game because it’s easy to learn and people love to be able to roll even not on their turn. And getting a sick combo is very rewarding. I agree with Zee however on the replay ability. After a couple of times I didn’t feel the urge to play it again. I picked up the expansion though, so we’ll see how it goes once I have a chance to try it.
Don't need nails at all just use the die face give it a little twist and keep a finger on top of your dice to keep from flinging off. Works really well actually. You can change the die face in no time like that
Zee's comments in this video is incredibly valuable.
Love this new set up.
For my casual gaming group, this was a HUGE hit. A lot of fun.
Use the corner of the dice face you've purchased to pop the old one out with your other thumb on it and they won't fly across the room and it goes much faster.
Having played the game over 100 times on BGA now I'll say the 6-gold die face *is* really powerful and a no-brainer to take first round if it's available.
Zee's statement of "Desert for Gamers" is perfect. While I don't think the game is a hardcore competitive match, I think it's light enough to teach to new gamers relatively quickly and also heavy enough for a more "seasoned" gamer to enjoy as a nice time to wind up towards a more intense night of gaming (or maybe a fun game to wind down and relax, haha). Can't wait to add it to my collection :D (also wow I love the trees in the background with the natural lighting. Great place to film this review!!)
would like to see a legacy game from this one. You start with the dice you create the last game session :D
I really love the idea and theme behind this, but my concerns are similar to Zee's. Mitigating dice is always a little iffy, but works if done well. Still, I'd love to give this a shot. Also, I love the box cover!
I love how their opinions of games aren't always the same, but their critiques are all valid at the same time.
The Box art reminds me of The Dark Crystal
Thought that too. Would be an awesome cover for a dark crystal game
This is a game that has a great dice mechanism that will be great with an expansion and perhaps some additional rules. As it is, it's still a great game and very fun!
My gaming group loves this game.
A couple things... It says in the instructions to use the new dye side to pop the old side out. That worked fine for my group.
Also, I could have sworn that you only roll one dye when someone bumps you off of a spot. If you are rolling two dice everytime someone bumps you off a spot, that might be why you felt you had too many resources to sale.
The one thing my group did wrong was only buying one dye per turn rather than two or more in that spot. Maybe that's why the game felt more difficult to us because we had less resources to spend.
pharone1 You roll both dice if you get bumped off and you can buy as many die faces as you want on your turn, just not the same one.
"If the active player moves his Hero pawn to a portal that is already occupied by another player’s
Hero pawn, the other player moves his Hero pawn to his starting portal and immediately
receives a divine blessing, as compensation."
"Receiving a Divine Blessing: Roll both your dice and place them back on your Inventory
with the rolled faces facing up. Then apply the effects of the two rolled die faces in the
order of your choice."
Wow I misread that when I went through the rules.
The only thing that my group complains about is that we ALL agree that the game is too short. I'm tempted to try doing twice as many turns as is instructed. It just feels like the game is over just as you're starting to get your dice setup.
pharone1 I hope the extra rolling of dice can make up for the feeling of the game being too short? I found it to be the perfect length... My last game (on Sunday) was three players and we ended with scores of 119/117/116 (I was last). We all had three completely different strategies...
That's an interesting thought. I feel like by maybe the 6th or 7th turn my dice are pretty much set and I'm only buying cards for the last third of the game. I can't imagine being done buying die faces 1/3 through the game and then spending most of the game just buying cards. Many of the good cards run out as it is so I'm sure I'd run out of fun stuff to do after only a couple extra rounds, much less 9 or 10 rounds.
Own it, Love it!
Me too!
Tom, if you think about it, dice city is actually a dice crafting game. You don't physically craft dice, but every face is represented by a spot on your board
Lol. Tom Vassel and "The trouble with Triples". Made me laugh with that reference.
pretty sure you use the other die face as the tool. It is integrated. :)
I agree that the components are beautiful, the insert is one of the best I've seen. I do like the mechanics, but where the game falls way short for me is player interaction. There's almost none. It feels more like just a race to get points but we can't do anything about anyone else.
I was pretty excited to try this game but ultimately I was disappointed.
Wow Stellar production quality on this vid, great job guys
As for the game, I think I could fit it in my collection since it's akin to Splendor and Century, but I see where Zee is coming from as far as replay ability and variance. Not a must-get but I'll add to my wishlist for sure
So for the dice they show using corner of newly purchased tile to pop out tile you are replacing
Yep. But to reduce the chance of damaging the corner of the die faces over time, I use something small and blunt as a lever instead.
neo512210 Sigh... Another game review where no one on the DT seemingly bothered to properly read the rules/instructions... You indeed use the newly purchased die faces to pop up the old ones on the dice. No need for fingernails... Player aid? There is one provided. I am sure BGG will provide others and the cards are really, really simple to explain and understand... I introduced it to three gaming groups and all loved it...
Could also use a Lego separator
1:44 PLEASE someone explain how to get THE CARDS to this step :D I've looked through a bunch of tutorials and everyone just says, "Set up the board." I've taken this beautiful game off the shelf 3 times at gaming events, only to give up and play something I already know because I can't, for the life of me, figure out this step quick enough :D
Match up the symbols/numbers at the bottom of the cards with the symbols/numbers on the game board spaces. The cards with the little dot in the corner are the introductory cards. A lot of the game board spaces have alternate cards which you may use if you want. If you are playing with just two players, then only place two of the four copies of each card in their respective spaces.
For those of us who are experienced board gamers what is a zurt for gamers?
i think he mean dessert for gamers
Tom -- LEGO Lava Dragon is a die-builder too. Just FYI.
Yep, there are several LEGO games with customizable dice like Heroica, Minotaurus, Harry Potter, Lava Dragon, Creationary, and many others. They were first, well before Dungeon Forge (which was probably inspired by the LEGO dice).
Heroica was my first thought when I saw the dice.
I love this game. My friends love this game. It's AMAZING and soooo ready for expansions!
I love the mechanics of building your dice to your own taste. This game does lack depth tho. They need to implement the dice building mechanic into some other games.
It's funny when I hear people complain about having too much gold...you can buy faces with your gold that remove faces of gold for faces with sun/moon shards and therefore stop rolling so much gold.
Hmmmm, I wonder how well the dice will hold up with constant use. I'd be concerned about wear and tear on them. Looks really cool though.
The Dice Odyssey They are heat-printed dice (like Star Wars Destiny) and will definitely hold up to many, many rolls...
Very well, I believe. They are as strong as a LEGO piece.
Yann Hillion have you played it a bit? Sounds like you've had some good experience with it. The game intrigues me so I really want the dice to not be fiddly is all. Thanks for the response by the way.
Fumi Downing if they're as strong as that, probably worth it then. I have a ton of games, and of course I get that they will get some wear and tear over multiple uses. I just haven't had a game yet that includes dice building. Wasn't sure how fiddly that was gonna be ya know. The game looks great. Thanks for the response!
Yann Hillion and if they're like Star Wars Destiny, perhaps I shouldn't be as concerned then, those are some sweet dice.
why cant they just have dice with different symbols and you have a player board where you can adjust what the symbols represent?
van deutsche hammer because the novelty of being able to switch die faces is a better marketing tool. In all seriousness, it is one novelty that I do think is pretty cool and fun.
I think Viva Java: The Dice Game does something like that. It would work too.
Did he just say Tom's Vasel in the end?
I agree with Zee and +Justin Emlay in the comments 100%. I had a chance top play this last night and I was blown away by the production but totally underwhelmed by the actual game.The game takes as long to teach as it does to play. The strategy is paper thin. There is almost no hand/deck/dice manipulation like other engine building games. (you get what your roll plus maybe a reroll once or twice per game) The theme is poorly pasted on(I honestly didn't know how or why we were doing any of it). I also felt like there was a distinct disadvantage to seat order on the first turn because there is such a limitation to the available resources, which is a really odd complaint if you think about it. The 4th person to go will probably give an earlier player a reroll (a huge bonus to someone that already had more options? really?!) or have some of the best (low cost) die faces already purchased before they can go (single faces like 6 gold or player choice or 3vp). Overall, I think Mystic Vale is the same type of engine building game but with greater depth, strategy, and theme.
Use the spare dice faces to pop off the dice faces, no nails needed. Just a tip for Sam.
Didn't think of that...and Tom was the one who read the rules and taught us, so I didn't see that idea in there, either! Thanks!
At an abstract level the game looks to basically be dominion but every time you buy a new new resource card (e.g., die piece/gold card) you get to discard one. It just looks like just another build your engine and eventually turn your engine into points game, am I wrong?
There is a lot of luck involved but I still think a superior player will win more than others.
There's less luck if you keep in mind the statistics. Balancing your dice is strategy, and your strategy has more effect on winning or losing than the sheer luck of the roll.
I fully agree. I've done 4 playthroughs and different strategies do have different results. Straight money tends to win though if they can get blacksmith hammers and multiple elders. Straight shards always seems to come in a close second. Going with straight point faces was the worst in all runthroughs even with a tripler. However, all shard with at least 2 bears + boars is pretty good.
The tiles themselves are what I used to pop the faces off. No need for a "tool" also this is a strange thing to complain about but I think the game plays too fast...it's like a "good problem" to have lol
I usually play 20 rounds instead of 9
What is the best? Dice Forge or Rattlebones?!
Sam answered this in the video.
Mechanics seem very similar to Seasons
We ended up using a pocket nail file to pop pieces.
Very even-handed review. Didn't like it much at all, and for all the reasons you guys listed. Interesting that we had different conclusions though. Definitely prefer Rattlebones to this.
Fumi Downing Wow, troll alert...
Fumi Downing Don't know what I did to upset you, but I'll be seeing myself out of this conversation. Have fun being a keyboard warrior.
We are starting to play this game as the end of night closer. Something we can decompress with after a heavy euro game. (We also use Love Letter for this)
A lot of criticism for a beautiful, lite, well made game. And no, it's not that hard of a game. I taught my wife how to play in all of five minutes. The rest comes after playing the game one time for twenty minutes.
Agreed! To each their own! We adore it!
I agree. I was surprised that Zee thought it was a complex game to teach and jump into. I taught the game in only a few minutes. I've played games that, while easy to play, are a bear to teach up front (Orleans, Hyperborea) and this is nowhere near that. Granted, a person might not fully grasp ideal strategies, but the sequence of rules is about as simple as one can get.
Its not hard to teach, its just a lot to teach. You have to explain every face and every card. And every time someone forgets what an icon is during play. Plus the rule sheet is terrible. With 3 new people its a lot. The payout is a very lite engine builder. Zee is right, Hardcore gamers are going to want more strategic play, casual players eyes glaze over after the 5th card description. My review group demoed this last night and came the the exact same conclusion.
Zee has this complaint a lot i think he just isn't that great at teaching
I'm under the impression that the game is really fiddly.. Does the game feel steamlined when you sit down and play it?
The game is really good and you take off the dice faces really easily.
It took me 5 minutes to teach this to my kids
loved this game. Played at my colleagues house...
I love the concept of the game, but I felt like I saw everything in four plays. Imagine if they made a Dice Force adventure like Clank. Now that would be amazing.
Desert for gamers. That's how I felt towards the end of the review. It might be fun to throw dice for a while, but i would like something more meatier 😀
I love this game for what it is. It's a lot of fun. I wish it had more variety of cards and I think it's too short. We usually play 12 rounds
Seems like machi koro meets splendor
You only get ONE buy action. You can buy an actin extra for 2 sun stones
You can spend as much gold on one turn as you want, you just can't buy the same die face in the same turn.
I'm with Zee on this game. I have played 5 games of Dice Forge and won them all. I don't think I will play it anymore.
It's such a gorgeous game, I'm trying to get hyped. But I feel like your agency is...negligible.
The perfect way I would describe the place this game holds in our group is this: we frequently are waiting for our fifth person - this is a game we can play quick with only 3 or 4 players while we are waiting for our other person to show up.
Really, it says on the front page how to get the faces off...
I think there are some better ways to do those dice so they would feel more like normal dice and still hold up nicely.
The art makes me think of Krossmasters
Thank you! I was sure there was a better fit than Seasons
The main strategy is just get VP sides.
I disagree
Hi guys, thanks for the video! Do you think this could be a good title for a 10 year old….?
I think this game could definitely use an expansion to add more heft for gamers
They do give you a tool, it's the other faces. When you buy a new face use the corner of it to pop off the old face. Also Tom the plural of Lego is Lego bricks not Legos
Shouldn't take any time at all to change the sides. You are doing something wrong if it is slowing down the progress of the game.
To change the faces of the dice, use the new face to unhinge the face you wish to replace...you don't need a tool or nails
I taught my seven and nine year old to teach this game. I don't think it is hard to teach.
we love Dice Forge, so fun. We like it because we are active the whole game, the choices are fun. Zee is right, and yet...and yet. so fun.
Agree with Zee. Pretty. Fun. Shallow and without very meaningful decisions / strategies.
Zee "Rosy Cheeks" Garcia
I wear a hat because I'm cool.
Honestly feels like Catan, but you change your dice instead of worker placement
Use the new face to pop out the old one!!!! The rules even go so far as to suggest it!!!!!!!
I think Zee got it right with too complicated for a simple game. Seasons has way more strategy and takes less explanation for the symbols.
Fiddly as f@#$
I love this game. Can't understand why you agonize so long about this trivial dice building problems. Maybe you should use a small stick as a tool? The game mechanics work perfectly and there are multiple strategies to win!
I think there's multiple strategies. I disagree with zee
i knew i should have checked out the dice tower review of this game before getting it what was i thinking
The rulebook says you're supposed to use the corner of the new die face to pop off the old die face. Fingernails need not apply.
this has more going for it than Azul. You love that, but not this. Go figure
who is you? The three of them liked it.
I’ll be honest I played a lot of games that are resource base but this one just blows its to boring there is actually no fun to be had here only cool thing is making a your dice but when the novelty of that wears off you got a pice of shit game
Makes it sound like yall have no idea what the difference between Graphic Design and THEME is...
It doesn't NEED a theme to be colorful or look the way it does
It would just be an "abstract game" with beautiful art
Art =/= Theme
My god, Sam is disguising. The first thing he did in this video is burp.
That art style is disgusting to me, I had to say it
One of the worst manual in a game ever
Kinda like the game itself though